Missingno being on the lower/lowest end of the glitchmon viability is like when there's a character that in-universe is this overwhelmingly powerful villain that needs entire teams to take down, and then in-game they just lose pretty much every matchup and have extremely gimmicky or just bad tools. It's really funny how this glitch that's so infamous is kinda weird in a fight, while many unknown glitch mons are just out here punting Arceus like a foam soccer ball.
Kind of like how Cthulu is the most memorable and infamous character in HP lovecracked, but he's on the lower end as you have multiple characters like Azathoth and Nyarlathotep who bodies anything.
It’s the Pokemon equivilant of that party member who was a boss. They were a massive pain when you fought them, and then once you have them in your team they’re underleveled and way behind on learning skills/techs/arts.
Fun fact about Missingno: the reason its base stats and movepool are the way they are is because it pulls its data from the trainer data of the bikers on cycling road
@@nikolamitrovic3841 Basically all data in any ROM is stored as hexadecimal. Pokemon data and trainer data are stored as hexadecimal. What OP is saying is that Missingno's Pokemon data is actually trainer data but it's being treated as Pokemon data. For example the base stats may represent the levels of the trainer's team (dunno for sure but it should get the point across)
The funniest and most accurate thing I’ve ever heard about RBY was that those games weren’t programmed, they were fucking selectively bred into existence. Gamefreak evolved them into a vaguely video game-like form
Hard disagree. Have you ever encountered a game breaking glitch or softlock playing organically? Sure, some moves aren't programmed correctly but that's true of every 2D JRPG, check out the final fantasy series for some crazy shit. Little shit like badge boost&gen1 miss are hardly egregious errors, they're small things that barely impact the game.
I kind of adore the idea of the glitch pokemon. Coding errors somehow bringing bizarre, reality warping entities into existence. There's something amazingly... Eldritch about them. They are things that absolutely should not be, but they just _do._ And the fact it's completely unintentional makes it even more fascinating in my eyes. And more stuff you just don't get nowadays. Yeah you can have "deliberate" abominations intended to be made for the game they're in, but that just doesn't have the same punch as these horrid looking blocks of code and hate that force themselves into reality despite absolutely zero intent for their existence. Also Female Symbol looks like a demonic face peering around a doorframe in a pitched black room and I _hate it_
My headcanon is that the Old Man Glitch creates a portal to the Distortion World, and all the glitch Pokémon and trainers are the creatures of the Distortion World This would also mean that Red is an incredibly powerful character both in Pokémon and in general because he can bend and rewrite reality (arbitrary code execution and other shenanigans) and open portals to other dimensions at will
Honestly I just see them as really, really weird Pokemon. Like Ultra Beasts from even further away in dimensions. Non malicious, just curious and trying their best to fit in. Your take is cooler tho.
I love the idea of a random bug catcher challenging you enthusiastically with their army of Caterpie only for you to send out the incomprehensible mass of pixels and making him see god.
I would legitimately love to see that in a Pokémon game. I feel like I’ve seen something close to that twice…well, maybe 1.5 times depending on how you feel about unofficial stuff. The official close case is, of course, Alder. He’s the freaking Unova Champion and not a Gym Leader, but he still has a Volcarona. The unofficial one is Pokémon Omicron, an RPG Maker Pokémon game that’s worth looking into: that one had a Bug gym as gym 6. Side note: I like the Volcarona line a lot. I think I actually like Larvesta more, but even in that unevolved state it’s pretty good.
tbh whenever i think of "really strong bug type gym team" i always drift to gen 5 bugs. scolipede, volcarona, and galvantula all feel like theyd tear mainline players a new one the most if brought to their full potential
I find it funny that C1's and P's stats weren't even overtaken officially until Eternamax Eternatus was created with Blissey HP and Shuckle Defenses ... and that thing was never even made avaliable to the player and due to a specific EV spread you could give it in Pure Hackmons just made the entire tier unplayable! Yeah, I see why they don't make glitchmons a teir
@@carnage0685 he means pure hackmons because balanced hackmons is 'balanced' and they ban stuff that is overpowered there. including eternamax eternatus becaue of stat overflow causing damage to be near impossible to deal.
@@carnage0685 Gen8 Pure Hackmons (a metagame which allows anything that is usable in local battles with no other rules) is no longer a metagame because it was discovered that Eternamax Eternatus's Defense or Special Defense can be so high that it overflows to 0 (one needs to be chosen because this depends on nature choice), and for the game having 0 Defense or Special Defense means taking almost no damage (specifically 2 due to how damage formula works) from a given category of attacks. Additionally, it's possible to have a Pokemon with starting HP of 65535. This all effectively means that anything other than spamming OHKO moves became unviable which doesn't make for a fun metagame, and as such nobody even implemented this on simulator.
Generation III glitch-mons is also curious due to the vast selection there, and variation in Decamark glitches (such as moves, base stats) similar to Generation I. I wouldn't be surprised if there are base stat totals higher than Eternatus there. There are 65536 possible index numbers each version, and differences can apply between the languages (so; (Ruby, Sapphire, Emerald, FireRed, LeafGreen): 5*65536 Pokémon repeated for every language - also the demo and prerelease/demo versions if you count them). In Red/Blue/Yellow there are only 256.
Showdown admin here - I think you hit the nail on the head for a lot of the complications with implementing Glitchmons. This was a fun what-if video! In the past, I actually worked with another dev to try and implement glitchmons, and it was just an absolute slog. Not only is there the grunt work of loading all of the data in, getting Showdown-compatible sprites, etc. but you have all the concerns you raised. We also simulate English Pokemon Yellow officially in Gen 1, so if you implement RB glitchmons too, do you have to keep the pool of glitchmons mutually exclusive? Do we have to implement Red/Blue specific battle mechanics? (Not happening). There's also the fundamental issue of how you go about obtaining these Pokemon. If I can 8F myself an 0xDB with my desired moves, why can't I give my Electrode Spore with 8F or any of RBY's myriad other glitches? If I have to obtain them via other glitches, can I use those other glitches to obtain other Pokemon too? There's just so much policy nonsense. And that's all independent from the simulator itself crashing - we *still* get crashes from Missingno's Bird-type from time to time from people messing around in custom formats (looking at you, Bird-type Revelation Dance). One fun gimmick I thought of, but would never implement, was for some of those glitch moves that corrupt your save file on cart, we could have the Showdown equivalent be corrupting / deleting all the teams in your teambuilder. Probably a bit too evil though :)
Glad you enjoyed and thanks for the insight! Personally I think the right move is to only implement the teambuilder corrupter and Spore Gengar, that'd be peak glitchmons :)
It is a shame there's a ton of policy getting in the way. I've always been more interested in just taking the regular Pokemon parts of them & implementing that. Version exclusivity is frustrating, though. Still, I'm glad there's some kind of answer. I hope someday Glitchmons can have their time in the competitive limelight.
@@DataDrain02 It's still made of paper so even if you had it setup trick room it's probably going to die. Or if another Pokémon setup TR it would either then need to die itself to let Missingno switch in or already have slept the opponent to give Missingno a chance to be switched in without instantly dying.
Let me say this. When you get to glitch moves, TM42 is the best damn move in ANY generation. Sure it only has 70 base power, BUT it’s a Glitch type, so it’s basically a Gen 2-5 dragon move without steel resistance and dragon weakness, Swift like accuracy, AND boosts user’s INVASION by TWO stages. It was once thought to be learned by 94, but has since been removed after further research.
I think the biggest problem of implementing glitch Pokemon is that some of their learnsets aren't actually static, some learnsets completely change based on the location you level them up.
Is it really ACE when the "ACE" in question is literally just the default of how a Pokemon's learnset is? The Bulbapedia learnsets for some glitch Pokemon only apply to the exact location they were leveled up.
i adore glitch pokemon so much, they're one of the most fascinating parts of generation one for me horrific creatures born by mistake that still manage to live and in some cases thrive, it's beautiful in a way
Even as someone who was vaguely made aware of MissingNo not being the only glitch mon even in the original games only about a year ago, the weirdest thing in this video is still seeing that "pure" Flying, Normal/Ground, and especially Normal/Ghost (accidentally) existed more than a decade before they officially would. It's times like this that I am surprised the original games functioned properly at all most of the time, especially since the glitch mons themselves don't automatically crash the game even when "displayed".
A general rule of thumb is that the reason these older games don't crash despite the utter insanity is that there's either absolutely no or minimal sanity checking and memory protection. A lot of the time when a modern game crashes, it's because the game's programming or the actual hardware of the machine you're playing it on noticed the game did something dumb, was like "no don't do that" and bonked it with the crash hammer. They do this because that's safer than letting the game go on and potentially hamper the player's experience or even permanently corrupt data. Games like this though? They were made for hardware that for the most part let you do whatever you want because that was cheaper or because they predate the concepts of memory protection or MMUs, and the programmers often skimped on sanity checking because that's faster and easier as long as everything goes right, and they may not have even had the memory to write sanity checks in the first place. EDIT: Basically, for RBY to actually hardlock or crash you _really_ have to fuck it up on a fundamental level or get it stuck on something. You can overwrite most of the memory of the game in one fell swoop, but as long as the game still has a game loop to go through it'll keep running, blissfully unaware of the severely corrupted game state.
These games had little (to my knowledge it has 1-2 failsafes) error protection due to space constraints and thus you can actually run the game with almost 50% of the RAM being trashed by garbage data.Here is the vid where it shows the power of corruptions.I suggest you to watch it fully but if you dont want any explanation go to 4:27 th-cam.com/video/E-CQS5B2sjY/w-d-xo.html
@@carnage0685 No, I didn't since that is only true for Normal/Ghost, which is why I just settled for "more than a decade" for all of them since "more two and a half decades" is still more than that. Otherwise Tornadus and Diggersby got pure Flying and Normal/Ground officially done (much) earlier.
“Playing red and blue and encountering a glitch is like going swimming and getting wet” thats the funniest way ive EVER heard it described and that honestly killed me, i dont know why i laughed as hard as i did, but it was gold Also you definitely undersold a few of these, specifically the ones with insane speed. Remember: this is gen 1. More speed means more crits. So having the highest speed stats in the game means nearly guaranteed crits. Thats kinda nuts.
All this talk about glitchmons brings me back when I used to feel pure joy while finding glitches. Discovering something that was really alien or funny was as rewarding as beating the main storyline in a first play through for internetless me.
While I more than understand these not being available in Showdown or elsewhere, I would LOVE to see a play through of Red or Blue with ONLY these mons. It would be HILARIOUS to see Blue constantly talk shit and immediately get swept by C1 spamming random bs.
36:35 It's interesting that it took more than 20 years for Game Freak to implement a Normal/Ghost PkMn (Isshuian Zoroark), but in reality it has always existed since the original games.
Missingno and friends up to the competitive plate? Interesting. I somehow never wondered this before. Wow, for all the hype Missingno gets as an eldritch abomination in the fandom, it’s completely unimpressive gameplay wise.
It gets the hype it gets because of it's ability to crash the game, mostly. It wouldn't be so famous if the item duping glitch wasn't so... useful. A lot of valuable TMs are only one-off in *the entire game*, and there aren't really any affordances made to lightening the load of the grind once you've already completed everything and are trying to put together a competitive team or something.
funny thing swimming and getting wet is actually LESS likely than playing Gen 1 and encountering a glitch since you can technically prevent yourself from getting wet by using like a diving suit but you physically can not avoid every glitch in Gen 1 pokemon since you are forced to fight Lorelei who's programming is fucked thus forcing you into a glitched fight. Additionally in Yellow Sabrina uses an Abra that spams flash which it will get of most of the time unless you instantly nuke it making it highly likely you ran into the badge boost glitch. And that is not even talking about minor shit you'll run into elsewhere
6:54 I'm so used to saying "Can of Wurmples" whenever I talk about Pokemon that it now feels weird to hear someone use the normal phrase in a conversation about Pokemon.
Honestly if Missingno's actual defense was 0, it would probably just crash the game I'm not the most familiar with RBY's source code but I kinda doubt they put a division by zero failsafe in the damage calculation formula
Based on this video th-cam.com/video/yveIVI5oGO8/w-d-xo.html which covers an overflow glitch with Reflect/Light Screen, it sounds like GSC have a failsafe where a defense stat of 0 is treated as 1, but that RBY have no such failsafe, and would indeed crash the game.
Yeah. I believe that it crashes on attack whenever any attack/defense stat is 0, and it hangs when you send out a pokemon if your max HP is 0. Dunno about speed
I think having a manga that features the glitched and hybrid glitched mons would be a really cool idea. Heck, maybe even a game that makes them, ya know, not game-breaking glitchy and actually usable.
There are a few things I wanted to clarify but I can't remember them all. I'll just list two for now. 1. New glitch Pokemon aren't actually being discovered. There are 190 "valid" Pokemon slots in the game, 39 of which are just Missingno., and everything from 191 to 255 is garbage data. Sadly, big bingus is not something that can exist without modification of the game, through ROM hacking or ACE. 2. Glitch Pokemon can actually learn moves after level 100, then drop down to that level. Through other glitches or just catching them like that, you can use Rare Candies to level them up past 100, all the way up to 255. If they gain any experience in any other way, they immediately drop back to 100. All in all, a great video! Especially love your introduction to G.
8:51 Great video, I really like your style. You‘ve earned yourself a subscription. There are no „undiscovered“ glitch Pokémon in RBY, because under the hood Gen 1 works very often with IDs that allow only 256 possibilities, because they have only two byte space (00 - FF). Things like level or Pokémon species would be examples, which is also the reason why a Pokémon at level 255 becomes level 0 if you give it a rare candy. You wouldn‘t just randomly "discover" level 256 after 26 years, because there are technical limitations. The same is true for Pokémon species. Since there are only 256 slots for different Pokémon species, and 151 of them are reserved for normal Pokémon and 39 for MissingNo., there is only room for 66 or 65 Glitch Pokémon in R/B and Y respectively (index 00 is technically not a MissingNo., even if they share many traits), which of course have all been discovered already. Technically, however, there is the possibility of arbitrary code execution, which allows you to completely reprogram the game within the scope of possibilities. That's why you can reprogram any existing Pokémon (glitch or no glitch) however you want, as long as you stay within the limits of RAM. However, I would not describe this as "discovering". So someone using glitch items like "8F" to program Big Bingus (including sprite data) into the game is possible. My personal favorite is ID 255, "Q" (Y) or "Charizard 'M (R/B). It allows Pokémon to fuse, but that's a completely different rabbit hole. Little fun fact (if you are really interested in this topic): Unlike every other glitch Pokémon, which are really just garbage data, MissingNo. has been implemented at least partially as a deliberate error handler. There are 39 MissingNo. with no real pattern scattered between the IDs 000 - 190. That means all IDs from 191 on are garbage data. While the reason for the number of MissingNo. has never been directly confirmed, Satoshi Tajiri once said in an interview long ago that 190 Pokémon were originally planned for Gen 1. If you now add 1 and 1 together, the suspicion that MissingNo. are deliberate placeholders for the 39 missing Pokémon is substanciated.
Pokédex number and Index number are separate, meaning that some Pokédex numbers (such as 156) are never used by any Pokémon. These ones are called "artificial glitch pokémon", and they can only be seen with arbitrary code execution or memory hacking/game genie.
I can see the immense about of time and effort it must have taken to make this video, the research, that footage, all the calcs, the editing. You did a very great job. It's very well made well. Keeps you engaged from the start to finish. That's really something when you are making a video about something that most people will have no prior knowledge on and they won't be able to try out what they saw in the vid.
I think it would be a pretty neat project to try to come up with Gen 8 movepools & potential abilities for these wacky lil guys. .g would for sure love quiver dance & bug buzz
Absolutely amazing video, going in my favorites. I was starting to see a dark era form for our Glitch Pokémon friends, being called “MissingNo’s”, which puts them under an even greater shadow. I even saw some general saltiness towards them, which is strange?! But then you come out with this. It’s not just a glitch Pokémon video, it’s the video I never knew I needed! You restored my faith in the Pokémon fan base when it comes to Glitchmons! Also, I hope you make a sequel for yellow version. Idk if you will, but if you did I’d certainly love it too!
Not gonna lie that "This video is brought to you by... Me... I mean fuckin obviously. Who'd ya think brought it to you you silly?" made me laugh out loud, and that's honestly quite rare for any part of any video to do. The delivery was just so good.
IIRC, it's actually physically impossible to play either gen 1 or 2 without encountering a glitch, it's like at the title screen + there are glitches that are guaranteed to occur later even if you avoid all optional content. I do find some types of glitches charming though Gen 1 definitely doesn't hit the mark, most glitches are either minor or detrimental.
It's honestly pretty funny that these random pieces of data just happen to make these really broken pokemon. By the way, I've always wondered how the non standard rby ou tires work, namely Stadium OU and Tradebacks OU. It'd be cool to see it in a future video
I love all your videos, but I think these videos where you talk about obscure/comp illegal/glitch characters almost entirely seriously, as if they had actual metas or matchups, are my favorite. I agree, it's genuinely fascinating hearing about the hypothetical viability of these "Pokemon" that are just garbage data and never meant to exist at all. Also your hair looks great 😘
This was such a fun video, it's cool to think about how some of these glitchmons would work in a competitive setting! I'd just figured they'd all be a nightmare to try and make work given glitch moves like Super Glitch would make trying to build them for a team impossible, and even then they'd just be off playing their own game with their stats and movepools. Turns out, I should never mess with these things because seeing them in action means I won't sleep that night. A random side note, but I'm pretty sure that when a Pokemon levels up to above level 100, they can level up until level 255, but then after that leveling them up again will cause an overflow and cause them to become level 0 (which is supposedly kinda unstable?), and then they can be levelled back up again to level 100. So, hypothetically, moves learned above level 100 for Pokemon can still be obtained while still being level 100 or below. Makes me wonder what that would look like competitively, but then at that point why not just have Pokemon be level 255 and have Chansey throw out Seismic Tosses that instantly shut down any recovery and at that point I'm just too afraid to even think about it any more
As a RBY and glitch fanatic I have definitely thought about this for a while. I was patiently awaiting the talk of everyone’s favorite Ghost/Normal type 94 (I fucked around with this thing in-game and it’s expectedly an easy carry), because damn is that typing ludicrous for gen 1. Glitch moves are funny but the logistics of implementing them in any capacity isn’t really feasible; they wouldn’t be used anyway, given their accuracies can literally hit 1%. Out of curiosity, how do you make the custom smogon-esque base stat display with sprites and all? Are you manually editing those bars together or is there a tool to do it for any Pokémon you want?
I feel that glitches don’t make a game bad, yes having too much of them is bad, but just a few, non game breaking ones are fine. I love old games because of that, especially nowadays where Nintendo will patch the ever living shit out of them despite it not affecting most players. Anyways, love the vid, looking forward to your next one, whatever it may be
@@BigYellowSilly sometimes it’s actually good According to Nintendo leach and daisy having different turnip properties was a bug and literally no one wanted that changed
@@jmurray1110 See, the easy solution is to issue a fixed and unfixed version of the same game during rereleases. But as we all know, being a twat is Nintendo's MO.
Part of me wants to say this applies to Sonic 06, but it does have game breakers; I just didn’t encounter any when I played it. The glitches I did have were great, though. The Omega infinite hover just slots in really well into his kit, and my followers constantly falling into pits and stuff was never not funny.
IF i were hard-pressed to design a tier or two around glitchmons, I'd probably just ban any 'mon that's capable of crashing the game or having aberrant effects on battle, limit move sets to those that can be naturally acquired at level 100, and ban all glitch moves (as they're all either terrible or cause crashes, to save on implementation headaches). After an initial shakeup, everything can be sorted into a "Balanced Glitchmons" tier, and an "Anything Goes" tier for meta-defining legends + glitches. I think I would want to keep "Balanced Glitchmons" at a power level similar to OU, where Chansey/Tauros/Snorlax are still at or near the top of the tier, and anything that can crush a non-glitched OU team gets pushed up. Measuring by usage rate (as modern tier balancing does) gets tricky in RBY, as the Big Three are on 80%+ of all teams, and obviously there can only be so many 'mons like that.
The great part about PC4SH, or as I guess it was shown on smogon as P, is that it's this absolute monster with stats that are better than Mega Rayquaza while being down a stat. It's front sprite crashes the game which I find just perfectly fitting for something that is that much of an unfair broken pokemon.
7:08 My memory may be a bit rusty on this, but was it not that you could level Pokémon caught at a Level past 100 using rare candies, and defeating any wild Pokémon would drop you back to Lv. 100, making these moves available for standard play?
@@Oersted_LAL does giving candies at Level 255 overflow back down to 0? If not you would just have the same Problem in the opposite direction and can't access many moves from below Level 100.
@@TheRenegade191 The game actually caps out at 255 for some ungodly reason iirc. Probably capped because they really didnt want to risk it if a bug was found that allowed leveling past 100
@@BigYellowSilly you can catch Pokémon over level 100 using the classic Missingno. I m pretty sure the "random" encounters you get are based on your name Edit : Also with the Mew glitch
Ideas I had so far: * An anything goes for RBY with glitches to start with, banning stronger glitches as time passes * Level cap is 100, but the glitchmons with moves over 100 are allowed to have them anyways (fuck it) * No glitch attacks at all, or any glitchmons that would insta crash the game
Dude this guy’s dry humor is top tier on TH-cam lmao. “Sometimes it’s not about living. Sometimes it’s about sending a message” instant subscribe, that whole segment was gold
Glitch meta be like: "Yes! I'm about to win, you can do this ○-J¥!" _The opponent's 'V used TM69!_ Showdown then proceeds to corrupt your computer's RAM
This is SO cool! I love learning about glitch stuff, and glitch pokemon in particular is such a fascinating topic to me. So actually hearing some thoughts on how viable they would be competitively is SOOO interesting. If you ever decide to do more of these (if that's possible considering how weird glitch stuff is lol) I will be there with bells on
Yo I was looking forward to just a video talking about missingno. competitively but getting to know missingno.'s friends was really fun and interesting. Your vid lived up to my hype, great job 👏
I kind of find it fitting the mascot of glitch mons is pretty awful by it’s standards. I mean this is true with base Pokémon with Pikachu, and many other games like Mario from 64-brawl or captain America and ryu in the mvc series. The face of something usually isn’t actually that good so it’s kind of perfect missingno the face of glitches is pretty bad.
I remember missongno being a normal/bird type. It gave me gaslight vibes because I thought for a split second that rb labeled flying type as bird type the whole time and I had to checky Pidgey to make sure it was normal/flying type.
I didn't know about any of these besides Missingno. All of them are super interesting. Also I'd love a video looking at all the goofy glitch moves. Mostly because seeing all of them have terrible accuracy and crashing the game is funny to me.
I don't even play competitive Pokemon, but your videos are a joy to watch anyway. More entertaining to watch than most other videos about competitive Pokemon. Especially this one, because the concept is so absurd and niche and yet I love it. Most of them are either crap or ridiculously OP; just as I was expecting. Would love to see the Yellow glitch Pokemon covered too, though I am unsure how different they are to the Red/Blue ones.
Yeah, G is super fun to use. I used it in a playthrough where I cheated it, and another Glitchmon in.... Also, I know you didn't mention glitch moves intentionally. But, it learns a move that's a SUPER busted version of Double Team. Like, I THINK it boosts evasion by 3 stages or something. So that would be extremely ban worthy. Considering normal Double Team is broken enough as is.
Imagine how impossible it'd be to judge a winner in the event that a glitch move like '--' desyncs the battle. On one side, player 1 wins, on the other, player 2 wins. Whos' the winner X3
My man wasn't sponsored, he just wanted to shout out a game he played and enjoyed. That's honestly based. By making it short, sweet, and unsponsored, it incentivizes going to play it yourself. By doing so, it creates a group of people that go play the game and tells the people there where they came from, and then those people that find your channel from this group of your viewers then goes to watch your content, getting more views. I think that's a great strategy.
I don't play competitive Pokémon because I'm not interested in doing it myself, but I love watching videos talking about competitive Pokémon, so it's why I'm here. 😁
I'd really love to see a video about hybrid glitch pokemons too ! I bet there are some crazy fun shenanigans in there. Or maybe on some of the view "maybe viable glitch moves that doesn't make your gameboy explode"
It's interesting to speculate what a true Anything Goes (cartridge rules) tier would look like for RBY. This video scratches the surface of the question, suggesting C1 and P as likely tier-kings. But there are still many unanswered questions: 1. Are there similarly OP glitchmons from Yellow Version that could compete with them? 2. What about the hybrid glitchmons? (That Gengar with Spore looks promising; so what other fast hybrids get Spore? Could you make a Spore-Mewtwo?). 3. Presumably, even a tier based on cartridge rules would have a "crash clause" against things that crash the game. But what about powerful glitch-moves that don't crash the game? Which ones would have the biggest impact on glitchmon viability? 4. What is the true level cap under "cartridge-rules"? I remember from childhood that giving "M" or MissingNo (caught above lvl 100) more exp would cause it to "level up" to the standard cap of 100 (and become unable to go above it again), but that you could keep increasing the level with rare candies up to some absurd point where it "rolled over". Could you enter a link battle with a team of C1:s, Ps and Spore-Hybrids that are all level 240 or some such? So what team would actually win if a high-stakes cartridge-rules (but no hacks) tournament compelled all the 40-year-old munchkin Pokémon masters to once more assemble with their Gameboys and Link Cables at the playground and battle it out?
Red and blue were made in a dire time for game freak. The series would have had to be a success for the company to survive. I don't want to think how many hours the developers were overworked
We seriously need to give credit to Missingno and other glitchmons for saving pokemon. Without them, there would be no Black 2/White 2, Ruby/Sapphire, etc.
admin of GCRI here-- i actually had this same idea a while back and even wrote up my own clauses and ideas for my own glitchmon tier-- i considered it an Ubers tier, because there's not a lot of glitch pokemon are mid tier, they're either awful or hybrids of awful pokemon, or hybrids of really good pokemon that could either outclass an already existing OU mon or just suck. You hit a lot of the same issues I tried to address in my own analysis- what to do with crashes, RB and Y specific glitches, and the like... I once considered letting Super Glitch moves to be allowed at first due to the ability to mitigate the corruption with the pokemon menu, but it would require 1. both players to pause at a specific area in game and then never open the pokemon menu again until they enter battle... but as soon as either player opens the pokemon menu it would go right back to causing issues. And that's just ONE of the many issues I was trying to figure out how to deal with! in my research, I also noticed that Smogon actually ended up having to address some fundemental glitches in the game that could pop up in a normal battle-- not the 1/256 glitch, but an issue of how Counter works with the Attack menu. I think the simulator assumes once you go into the attack menu, you never back out, correct me if I'm wrong. I wanted to look into it more, but I never played RBY OU and I never had anyone to really talk about this with who had much knowledge of Gen 1 OU, much less any tier. I think you can code your own smogon fork if anyone wanted to mess around with Gen I glitches, but I'd split it between a RB and Y tier (English only.... lets not get into other language glitch pokemon.) and ban all crashing glitchmon and glitch moves. (Unfortunately, I believe one of the strongest RB glitchmons is a crasher :( ) I really like how you implemented Smogon imagery for each glitchmon :)
One thing to note: I noticed you mentioned 4h (0xD6) is a double normal type and suffers from 4x fighting weakness- this is actually incorrect, and is because of something Bulbapedia unhelfully does not address in their articles about Glitch pokemon. There are "false" types in Gen 1 that are the real type's value but plus 80. They share the same name with the real type, but are actually a Glitch type and thus do not have any strengths or weaknesses, and do not have STAB with moves that share the (real) type. A lot of Glitch pokemon have false types like this, and in this case, 4h is actually a Normal (Glitch) and Normal (real) type, so it would only have 2x fighting weakness. doesn't make it suck any less though. Edit: the same goes for 94 (0xF1) which is the same family as 94 h (0xF9), both it's types are False Normal and False Ghost, so it is effectively a Glitch/Glitch type. No gen 1 Hisuian Zoroark here :(
Enjoying your videos, this one in particular was quite interesting, I don't think there's another video even remotely like it. Coming up with new stuff for a game like Pokemon is impressive on it's own; to make it interesting is the icing on the cake.
3TrainerPoke$ is by far the strongest one like ever. Its slow and has low hp but it has such high attack, defense and special stats to make up for it and learns some decent attacks like Mega Drain, Soft Boiled and Earthquake.
Fun fact: you physically CANNOT go through Pokemon red and blue without seeing a glitch. The nidoran professor oak pulls out has the opposite genders cry
Fun fact about missingno having 0 def and 130+ atk, I recall someone doing a Gen 1 solo run with missingno. in one battle, missingno got confused, hit itself in confusion and OHKOd ITSELF
I remember showing up to school with missingno and pulling him out in a link battle. I was the fucking shit and everyone wanted to know how to do it. Coolest I've ever felt in life lol. Pretty sure it was a lvl130 rapidash
missingno should at least be legal in some gen 1 hackmons tier. I'm fine with "fixing" the freeze/crashes because that's way outside the realm of reasonable
Thanks for giving glitch pokemons some love. I was obsessed with a tuber called MissingnoXPert and was fascinated with glitch pokemon. I chose yellow for the sheer amount and exclusivity of glitch pokemon it contained, the majority of which can be obtained via the johto guard glitch. Glitch pokemon can evolve, and often change species between the different gen 1 games. Interesting observations are 44hy that plays vermilion city's theme for a cry, a move called super glitch, the TMTRAINER effect, JACRED (hybrid of jack and red), and glitch trainer classes.
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Missingno being on the lower/lowest end of the glitchmon viability is like when there's a character that in-universe is this overwhelmingly powerful villain that needs entire teams to take down, and then in-game they just lose pretty much every matchup and have extremely gimmicky or just bad tools. It's really funny how this glitch that's so infamous is kinda weird in a fight, while many unknown glitch mons are just out here punting Arceus like a foam soccer ball.
Kinda like pikachu
Kind of like how Cthulu is the most memorable and infamous character in HP lovecracked, but he's on the lower end as you have multiple characters like Azathoth and Nyarlathotep who bodies anything.
It’s the Pokemon equivilant of that party member who was a boss. They were a massive pain when you fought them, and then once you have them in your team they’re underleveled and way behind on learning skills/techs/arts.
Mewtwo in melee
like Ganondorf in smash
Fun fact about Missingno: the reason its base stats and movepool are the way they are is because it pulls its data from the trainer data of the bikers on cycling road
what the fuck is wrong with those bikers. wait. do you mean their pokemon or the actual bikers???
I'm not gonna pretend I understood this comment. What?
@@nikolamitrovic3841 i wholeheartedly believe what theyre saying is true. gen 1 is that fucked up.
You're saying that some bikers have higher stats than god?
@@nikolamitrovic3841 Basically all data in any ROM is stored as hexadecimal. Pokemon data and trainer data are stored as hexadecimal. What OP is saying is that Missingno's Pokemon data is actually trainer data but it's being treated as Pokemon data. For example the base stats may represent the levels of the trainer's team (dunno for sure but it should get the point across)
The funniest and most accurate thing I’ve ever heard about RBY was that those games weren’t programmed, they were fucking selectively bred into existence. Gamefreak evolved them into a vaguely video game-like form
“I made an AI play 100,000 hours of JRPGs and this is what it came up with”
Selectively in-bred.
@@lifeof_bi9982 pokemon green
Hard disagree. Have you ever encountered a game breaking glitch or softlock playing organically? Sure, some moves aren't programmed correctly but that's true of every 2D JRPG, check out the final fantasy series for some crazy shit. Little shit like badge boost&gen1 miss are hardly egregious errors, they're small things that barely impact the game.
@@lqa77 it's a more fair thing to say about Red and Green, those were packed with more glitches than mechanics
I kind of adore the idea of the glitch pokemon. Coding errors somehow bringing bizarre, reality warping entities into existence. There's something amazingly... Eldritch about them. They are things that absolutely should not be, but they just _do._ And the fact it's completely unintentional makes it even more fascinating in my eyes. And more stuff you just don't get nowadays. Yeah you can have "deliberate" abominations intended to be made for the game they're in, but that just doesn't have the same punch as these horrid looking blocks of code and hate that force themselves into reality despite absolutely zero intent for their existence.
Also Female Symbol looks like a demonic face peering around a doorframe in a pitched black room and I _hate it_
You want fun??? Missingno show you fun!
@@WilfredCthulu He sure does! He gave me 128 master balls! Thanks, Missingno!
My headcanon is that the Old Man Glitch creates a portal to the Distortion World, and all the glitch Pokémon and trainers are the creatures of the Distortion World
This would also mean that Red is an incredibly powerful character both in Pokémon and in general because he can bend and rewrite reality (arbitrary code execution and other shenanigans) and open portals to other dimensions at will
Ngl glitch mons kinda scare me. It’s like the closest thing to real life Cthulhu.
Honestly I just see them as really, really weird Pokemon. Like Ultra Beasts from even further away in dimensions. Non malicious, just curious and trying their best to fit in.
Your take is cooler tho.
I love the idea of a random bug catcher challenging you enthusiastically with their army of Caterpie only for you to send out the incomprehensible mass of pixels and making him see god.
Arceus: Who are you?
Glitchmon: I *AM* YOUR GOD
And then he shrugs off anyway because GOLLY, POKEMON BATTLE
I mean nobody bats an eye at Arceus
Bugcatcher vs
Bugcatcher
@@shaidai08 🥁🥁🟡
@@shaidai08 *HOLD ON A SECOND...*
I feel like you would be a bug type gym leader. But like, a flip the script, late game bug gym leader, with like a volcarona as your ace.
I would legitimately love to see that in a Pokémon game. I feel like I’ve seen something close to that twice…well, maybe 1.5 times depending on how you feel about unofficial stuff.
The official close case is, of course, Alder. He’s the freaking Unova Champion and not a Gym Leader, but he still has a Volcarona. The unofficial one is Pokémon Omicron, an RPG Maker Pokémon game that’s worth looking into: that one had a Bug gym as gym 6.
Side note: I like the Volcarona line a lot. I think I actually like Larvesta more, but even in that unevolved state it’s pretty good.
tbh whenever i think of "really strong bug type gym team" i always drift to gen 5 bugs. scolipede, volcarona, and galvantula all feel like theyd tear mainline players a new one the most if brought to their full potential
@@starduststriker8792definitely, Volcarona would be a powerful Specs user with Compound Eyes Thunder, or a lead with Sticky Web
Or possibly a mega Pinsir?
I find it funny that C1's and P's stats weren't even overtaken officially until Eternamax Eternatus was created with Blissey HP and Shuckle Defenses ... and that thing was never even made avaliable to the player and due to a specific EV spread you could give it in Pure Hackmons just made the entire tier unplayable!
Yeah, I see why they don't make glitchmons a teir
So we ban them?
The fuck do you mean Pure Hackmons 'unplayable'? You just said Pure Hackmons, not Balanced Hackmons.
@@carnage0685 he means pure hackmons because balanced hackmons is 'balanced' and they ban stuff that is overpowered there. including eternamax eternatus becaue of stat overflow causing damage to be near impossible to deal.
@@carnage0685 Gen8 Pure Hackmons (a metagame which allows anything that is usable in local battles with no other rules) is no longer a metagame because it was discovered that Eternamax Eternatus's Defense or Special Defense can be so high that it overflows to 0 (one needs to be chosen because this depends on nature choice), and for the game having 0 Defense or Special Defense means taking almost no damage (specifically 2 due to how damage formula works) from a given category of attacks. Additionally, it's possible to have a Pokemon with starting HP of 65535. This all effectively means that anything other than spamming OHKO moves became unviable which doesn't make for a fun metagame, and as such nobody even implemented this on simulator.
Generation III glitch-mons is also curious due to the vast selection there, and variation in Decamark glitches (such as moves, base stats) similar to Generation I. I wouldn't be surprised if there are base stat totals higher than Eternatus there. There are 65536 possible index numbers each version, and differences can apply between the languages (so; (Ruby, Sapphire, Emerald, FireRed, LeafGreen): 5*65536 Pokémon repeated for every language - also the demo and prerelease/demo versions if you count them). In Red/Blue/Yellow there are only 256.
Showdown admin here - I think you hit the nail on the head for a lot of the complications with implementing Glitchmons. This was a fun what-if video!
In the past, I actually worked with another dev to try and implement glitchmons, and it was just an absolute slog. Not only is there the grunt work of loading all of the data in, getting Showdown-compatible sprites, etc. but you have all the concerns you raised. We also simulate English Pokemon Yellow officially in Gen 1, so if you implement RB glitchmons too, do you have to keep the pool of glitchmons mutually exclusive? Do we have to implement Red/Blue specific battle mechanics? (Not happening). There's also the fundamental issue of how you go about obtaining these Pokemon. If I can 8F myself an 0xDB with my desired moves, why can't I give my Electrode Spore with 8F or any of RBY's myriad other glitches? If I have to obtain them via other glitches, can I use those other glitches to obtain other Pokemon too? There's just so much policy nonsense. And that's all independent from the simulator itself crashing - we *still* get crashes from Missingno's Bird-type from time to time from people messing around in custom formats (looking at you, Bird-type Revelation Dance).
One fun gimmick I thought of, but would never implement, was for some of those glitch moves that corrupt your save file on cart, we could have the Showdown equivalent be corrupting / deleting all the teams in your teambuilder. Probably a bit too evil though :)
Oh, and Zarel was the one who implemented Missingno, all the way back in 2012.
Glad you enjoyed and thanks for the insight! Personally I think the right move is to only implement the teambuilder corrupter and Spore Gengar, that'd be peak glitchmons :)
Maybe someone could make a pet mod of it?
It is a shame there's a ton of policy getting in the way. I've always been more interested in just taking the regular Pokemon parts of them & implementing that. Version exclusivity is frustrating, though. Still, I'm glad there's some kind of answer. I hope someday Glitchmons can have their time in the competitive limelight.
That sounds like you are intentionally not fixing the bugs where missigno crashes the simulator... Which is wonderfully on-brand for a glitchmon!
You should try being a kindergarten teacher.
"Ok class, today we have a lesson about the alphabet. This is G, and G is sick as fuck."
"Guys you're actually not ready for T this shit crazy"
"C is kinda underwhelming"
“E is ludicrous, this letter can do so much for no punishment at all”
I love how missingno stats are such a joke that it’s speed stat is 1 lower than the slowest ou pokemon
That just feels mean ong
Though, imagine if Trick Room was a thing in Gen 1. Especially if it learned a good Normal move.... It would have been super busted with that. =V
Imagine if it had 0 in its actual defense so it would take 1 point of damage from all attacks like that freaky eternatus set in hackmons
@@DataDrain02 It's still made of paper so even if you had it setup trick room it's probably going to die. Or if another Pokémon setup TR it would either then need to die itself to let Missingno switch in or already have slept the opponent to give Missingno a chance to be switched in without instantly dying.
@@caldw615 or swotch in on opponent using a stat move
Glitchmons are the OG ultrabeasts if u compare them, weird ass Pokémon with weird extreme stats with high highs and low lows
Let me say this. When you get to glitch moves, TM42 is the best damn move in ANY generation. Sure it only has 70 base power, BUT it’s a Glitch type, so it’s basically a Gen 2-5 dragon move without steel resistance and dragon weakness, Swift like accuracy, AND boosts user’s INVASION by TWO stages. It was once thought to be learned by 94, but has since been removed after further research.
Correction: TM41. And it’s only major downside is that it only has 2PP
@@ongakuwotabeta and thats the biggest downside though it encourages playing carefully
Evasion or invasion? I'm pretty sure one is not like the other.
@@derekstryder2281 you're right. Just realized that...
I think the biggest problem of implementing glitch Pokemon is that some of their learnsets aren't actually static, some learnsets completely change based on the location you level them up.
That’s a cool feature. It should be on an official Pokémon.
You're right, I can't believe I forgot about Arbitrary Code Execution
Is it really ACE when the "ACE" in question is literally just the default of how a Pokemon's learnset is? The Bulbapedia learnsets for some glitch Pokemon only apply to the exact location they were leveled up.
i adore glitch pokemon so much, they're one of the most fascinating parts of generation one for me
horrific creatures born by mistake that still manage to live and in some cases thrive, it's beautiful in a way
Even as someone who was vaguely made aware of MissingNo not being the only glitch mon even in the original games only about a year ago, the weirdest thing in this video is still seeing that "pure" Flying, Normal/Ground, and especially Normal/Ghost (accidentally) existed more than a decade before they officially would. It's times like this that I am surprised the original games functioned properly at all most of the time, especially since the glitch mons themselves don't automatically crash the game even when "displayed".
A general rule of thumb is that the reason these older games don't crash despite the utter insanity is that there's either absolutely no or minimal sanity checking and memory protection. A lot of the time when a modern game crashes, it's because the game's programming or the actual hardware of the machine you're playing it on noticed the game did something dumb, was like "no don't do that" and bonked it with the crash hammer. They do this because that's safer than letting the game go on and potentially hamper the player's experience or even permanently corrupt data.
Games like this though? They were made for hardware that for the most part let you do whatever you want because that was cheaper or because they predate the concepts of memory protection or MMUs, and the programmers often skimped on sanity checking because that's faster and easier as long as everything goes right, and they may not have even had the memory to write sanity checks in the first place.
EDIT: Basically, for RBY to actually hardlock or crash you _really_ have to fuck it up on a fundamental level or get it stuck on something. You can overwrite most of the memory of the game in one fell swoop, but as long as the game still has a game loop to go through it'll keep running, blissfully unaware of the severely corrupted game state.
These games had little (to my knowledge it has 1-2 failsafes) error protection due to space constraints and thus you can actually run the game with almost 50% of the RAM being trashed by garbage data.Here is the vid where it shows the power of corruptions.I suggest you to watch it fully but if you dont want any explanation go to 4:27 th-cam.com/video/E-CQS5B2sjY/w-d-xo.html
For what it's worth some glitch pokemon have a corrupted front or back sprite that does crash the game when displayed.
You mean more than two and a half decades.
@@carnage0685 No, I didn't since that is only true for Normal/Ghost, which is why I just settled for "more than a decade" for all of them since "more two and a half decades" is still more than that. Otherwise Tornadus and Diggersby got pure Flying and Normal/Ground officially done (much) earlier.
“Playing red and blue and encountering a glitch is like going swimming and getting wet” thats the funniest way ive EVER heard it described and that honestly killed me, i dont know why i laughed as hard as i did, but it was gold
Also you definitely undersold a few of these, specifically the ones with insane speed. Remember: this is gen 1. More speed means more crits. So having the highest speed stats in the game means nearly guaranteed crits. Thats kinda nuts.
All this talk about glitchmons brings me back when I used to feel pure joy while finding glitches. Discovering something that was really alien or funny was as rewarding as beating the main storyline in a first play through for internetless me.
There's something really special about finding stuff that's completely unintentional, I've a lot of fond memories of that
While I more than understand these not being available in Showdown or elsewhere, I would LOVE to see a play through of Red or Blue with ONLY these mons. It would be HILARIOUS to see Blue constantly talk shit and immediately get swept by C1 spamming random bs.
It exists at least for solo run of missingno,.its pretty cool :)
"Sometimes it's not about living, sometimes it's about sending a message."
Somewhere in the world, Alpharad is smiling and he doesn't know why.
Nah, it's about winning, it's just that you sometimes need to make sacrifices. Like kamikadzing one of your mons.
36:35 It's interesting that it took more than 20 years for Game Freak to implement a Normal/Ghost PkMn (Isshuian Zoroark), but in reality it has always existed since the original games.
Bruh how do you misspell Hisuian 😭🤣
Wouldn't Isshuian mean Unovan, since Isshu is Unova's Japanese name?
5:42 1/5 chance to freeze not just the opponent, but the entire match? That's a win condition I can work with
Missingno and friends up to the competitive plate? Interesting. I somehow never wondered this before.
Wow, for all the hype Missingno gets as an eldritch abomination in the fandom, it’s completely unimpressive gameplay wise.
It has a better reputation because you cat h it at like level 255, where it's better than most anything.
It gets the hype it gets because of it's ability to crash the game, mostly. It wouldn't be so famous if the item duping glitch wasn't so... useful. A lot of valuable TMs are only one-off in *the entire game*, and there aren't really any affordances made to lightening the load of the grind once you've already completed everything and are trying to put together a competitive team or something.
It gives you unlimited items, cut it some slack.
Missingno is a friend who gives you items tho
Spore Gengar would legitimately be terrifying. Still gets outsped by Alakazam and Starmie, but absolutely ban-worthy regardless.
funny thing swimming and getting wet is actually LESS likely than playing Gen 1 and encountering a glitch since you can technically prevent yourself from getting wet by using like a diving suit but you physically can not avoid every glitch in Gen 1 pokemon since you are forced to fight Lorelei who's programming is fucked thus forcing you into a glitched fight. Additionally in Yellow Sabrina uses an Abra that spams flash which it will get of most of the time unless you instantly nuke it making it highly likely you ran into the badge boost glitch. And that is not even talking about minor shit you'll run into elsewhere
You literally can’t even get out of the tutorial without a glitch
the freaking INTRO has a glitch.. wrong cry plays
6:54 I'm so used to saying "Can of Wurmples" whenever I talk about Pokemon that it now feels weird to hear someone use the normal phrase in a conversation about Pokemon.
pokemon community: OMG Hisuian Zoroark is the first normal ghost!
94: are you sure about that?
Honestly if Missingno's actual defense was 0, it would probably just crash the game
I'm not the most familiar with RBY's source code but I kinda doubt they put a division by zero failsafe in the damage calculation formula
Based on this video th-cam.com/video/yveIVI5oGO8/w-d-xo.html which covers an overflow glitch with Reflect/Light Screen, it sounds like GSC have a failsafe where a defense stat of 0 is treated as 1, but that RBY have no such failsafe, and would indeed crash the game.
According to Freezai’s video on Eternamax Eternatus in Pure Hackmons a defense stat of 0 in gen 8 means that physical attacks only do 1 or 2 damage
Yeah. I believe that it crashes on attack whenever any attack/defense stat is 0, and it hangs when you send out a pokemon if your max HP is 0. Dunno about speed
@@agentstache135 especially considering how mechanically different gen 1 is from all other generations, I don't think that's really applicable here
you're assuming a division occurs with the defense stat as the denominator?
I think having a manga that features the glitched and hybrid glitched mons would be a really cool idea. Heck, maybe even a game that makes them, ya know, not game-breaking glitchy and actually usable.
There are a few things I wanted to clarify but I can't remember them all. I'll just list two for now.
1. New glitch Pokemon aren't actually being discovered. There are 190 "valid" Pokemon slots in the game, 39 of which are just Missingno., and everything from 191 to 255 is garbage data. Sadly, big bingus is not something that can exist without modification of the game, through ROM hacking or ACE.
2. Glitch Pokemon can actually learn moves after level 100, then drop down to that level. Through other glitches or just catching them like that, you can use Rare Candies to level them up past 100, all the way up to 255. If they gain any experience in any other way, they immediately drop back to 100.
All in all, a great video! Especially love your introduction to G.
8:51
Great video, I really like your style. You‘ve earned yourself a subscription.
There are no „undiscovered“ glitch Pokémon in RBY, because under the hood Gen 1 works very often with IDs that allow only 256 possibilities, because they have only two byte space (00 - FF).
Things like level or Pokémon species would be examples, which is also the reason why a Pokémon at level 255 becomes level 0 if you give it a rare candy. You wouldn‘t just randomly "discover" level 256 after 26 years, because there are technical limitations. The same is true for Pokémon species.
Since there are only 256 slots for different Pokémon species, and 151 of them are reserved for normal Pokémon and 39 for MissingNo., there is only room for 66 or 65 Glitch Pokémon in R/B and Y respectively (index 00 is technically not a MissingNo., even if they share many traits), which of course have all been discovered already. Technically, however, there is the possibility of arbitrary code execution, which allows you to completely reprogram the game within the scope of possibilities. That's why you can reprogram any existing Pokémon (glitch or no glitch) however you want, as long as you stay within the limits of RAM. However, I would not describe this as "discovering". So someone using glitch items like "8F" to program Big Bingus (including sprite data) into the game is possible.
My personal favorite is ID 255, "Q" (Y) or "Charizard 'M (R/B). It allows Pokémon to fuse, but that's a completely different rabbit hole.
Little fun fact (if you are really interested in this topic): Unlike every other glitch Pokémon, which are really just garbage data, MissingNo. has been implemented at least partially as a deliberate error handler. There are 39 MissingNo. with no real pattern scattered between the IDs 000 - 190. That means all IDs from 191 on are garbage data.
While the reason for the number of MissingNo. has never been directly confirmed, Satoshi Tajiri once said in an interview long ago that 190 Pokémon were originally planned for Gen 1. If you now add 1 and 1 together, the suspicion that MissingNo. are deliberate placeholders for the 39 missing Pokémon is substanciated.
Pokédex number and Index number are separate, meaning that some Pokédex numbers (such as 156) are never used by any Pokémon. These ones are called "artificial glitch pokémon", and they can only be seen with arbitrary code execution or memory hacking/game genie.
I can see the immense about of time and effort it must have taken to make this video, the research, that footage, all the calcs, the editing.
You did a very great job. It's very well made well. Keeps you engaged from the start to finish. That's really something when you are making a video about something that most people will have no prior knowledge on and they won't be able to try out what they saw in the vid.
I think it would be a pretty neat project to try to come up with Gen 8 movepools & potential abilities for these wacky lil guys.
.g would for sure love quiver dance & bug buzz
They should put the glitch moves into showdown unchanged so I can just crash my opponent’s computer in anger whenever they call a switch
Absolutely amazing video, going in my favorites. I was starting to see a dark era form for our Glitch Pokémon friends, being called “MissingNo’s”, which puts them under an even greater shadow. I even saw some general saltiness towards them, which is strange?! But then you come out with this. It’s not just a glitch Pokémon video, it’s the video I never knew I needed! You restored my faith in the Pokémon fan base when it comes to Glitchmons! Also, I hope you make a sequel for yellow version. Idk if you will, but if you did I’d certainly love it too!
Not gonna lie that "This video is brought to you by... Me... I mean fuckin obviously. Who'd ya think brought it to you you silly?" made me laugh out loud, and that's honestly quite rare for any part of any video to do. The delivery was just so good.
IIRC, it's actually physically impossible to play either gen 1 or 2 without encountering a glitch, it's like at the title screen + there are glitches that are guaranteed to occur later even if you avoid all optional content.
I do find some types of glitches charming though Gen 1 definitely doesn't hit the mark, most glitches are either minor or detrimental.
It's honestly pretty funny that these random pieces of data just happen to make these really broken pokemon. By the way, I've always wondered how the non standard rby ou tires work, namely Stadium OU and Tradebacks OU. It'd be cool to see it in a future video
I love all your videos, but I think these videos where you talk about obscure/comp illegal/glitch characters almost entirely seriously, as if they had actual metas or matchups, are my favorite. I agree, it's genuinely fascinating hearing about the hypothetical viability of these "Pokemon" that are just garbage data and never meant to exist at all.
Also your hair looks great 😘
This was such a fun video, it's cool to think about how some of these glitchmons would work in a competitive setting! I'd just figured they'd all be a nightmare to try and make work given glitch moves like Super Glitch would make trying to build them for a team impossible, and even then they'd just be off playing their own game with their stats and movepools. Turns out, I should never mess with these things because seeing them in action means I won't sleep that night.
A random side note, but I'm pretty sure that when a Pokemon levels up to above level 100, they can level up until level 255, but then after that leveling them up again will cause an overflow and cause them to become level 0 (which is supposedly kinda unstable?), and then they can be levelled back up again to level 100. So, hypothetically, moves learned above level 100 for Pokemon can still be obtained while still being level 100 or below. Makes me wonder what that would look like competitively, but then at that point why not just have Pokemon be level 255 and have Chansey throw out Seismic Tosses that instantly shut down any recovery and at that point I'm just too afraid to even think about it any more
As a RBY and glitch fanatic I have definitely thought about this for a while. I was patiently awaiting the talk of everyone’s favorite Ghost/Normal type 94 (I fucked around with this thing in-game and it’s expectedly an easy carry), because damn is that typing ludicrous for gen 1. Glitch moves are funny but the logistics of implementing them in any capacity isn’t really feasible; they wouldn’t be used anyway, given their accuracies can literally hit 1%. Out of curiosity, how do you make the custom smogon-esque base stat display with sprites and all? Are you manually editing those bars together or is there a tool to do it for any Pokémon you want?
Isn't there no released Ghost/Normal even as of today?
@@jaimenon5592 there’s Hisuian Zoroark, but nothing that can be used competitively, no.
I feel like F5 could be interesting to use. It'd really refresh the meta.
*Strongest glitch Pokémon:* Will crash your game and delete your data 🤓
*Weakest glitch Pokémon:* Will crash your game and delete your data 💪
I feel that glitches don’t make a game bad, yes having too much of them is bad, but just a few, non game breaking ones are fine.
I love old games because of that, especially nowadays where Nintendo will patch the ever living shit out of them despite it not affecting most players.
Anyways, love the vid, looking forward to your next one, whatever it may be
Glitches are awesome as long as they're not invasive
i think glitches are good as long as theyre cool
@@BigYellowSilly sometimes it’s actually good
According to Nintendo leach and daisy having different turnip properties was a bug and literally no one wanted that changed
@@jmurray1110 See, the easy solution is to issue a fixed and unfixed version of the same game during rereleases.
But as we all know, being a twat is Nintendo's MO.
Part of me wants to say this applies to Sonic 06, but it does have game breakers; I just didn’t encounter any when I played it.
The glitches I did have were great, though. The Omega infinite hover just slots in really well into his kit, and my followers constantly falling into pits and stuff was never not funny.
IF i were hard-pressed to design a tier or two around glitchmons, I'd probably just ban any 'mon that's capable of crashing the game or having aberrant effects on battle, limit move sets to those that can be naturally acquired at level 100, and ban all glitch moves (as they're all either terrible or cause crashes, to save on implementation headaches).
After an initial shakeup, everything can be sorted into a "Balanced Glitchmons" tier, and an "Anything Goes" tier for meta-defining legends + glitches.
I think I would want to keep "Balanced Glitchmons" at a power level similar to OU, where Chansey/Tauros/Snorlax are still at or near the top of the tier, and anything that can crush a non-glitched OU team gets pushed up. Measuring by usage rate (as modern tier balancing does) gets tricky in RBY, as the Big Three are on 80%+ of all teams, and obviously there can only be so many 'mons like that.
I disagree with the level 100 moves thing. I think they should just allow all pokemon to be level 255
You can just take the levels back down to 100, it’s a thing you can do in the game
Tbh in a hypethetical format with those mons allowed you don't think about which one of C1 and P is better since you would just run both anyway
The great part about PC4SH, or as I guess it was shown on smogon as P, is that it's this absolute monster with stats that are better than Mega Rayquaza while being down a stat. It's front sprite crashes the game which I find just perfectly fitting for something that is that much of an unfair broken pokemon.
7:08 My memory may be a bit rusty on this, but was it not that you could level Pokémon caught at a Level past 100 using rare candies, and defeating any wild Pokémon would drop you back to Lv. 100, making these moves available for standard play?
I'm pretty sure there's no way to level past 100 but tbh this is RBY so I can't be certain
@@BigYellowSilly in RBY, glitch pokemon found above level 100 can continue to level up to 255, but any EXP will reset it to 100
@@Oersted_LAL does giving candies at Level 255 overflow back down to 0? If not you would just have the same Problem in the opposite direction and can't access many moves from below Level 100.
@@TheRenegade191 The game actually caps out at 255 for some ungodly reason iirc. Probably capped because they really didnt want to risk it if a bug was found that allowed leveling past 100
@@BigYellowSilly you can catch Pokémon over level 100 using the classic Missingno. I m pretty sure the "random" encounters you get are based on your name
Edit : Also with the Mew glitch
Ideas I had so far:
* An anything goes for RBY with glitches to start with, banning stronger glitches as time passes
* Level cap is 100, but the glitchmons with moves over 100 are allowed to have them anyways (fuck it)
* No glitch attacks at all, or any glitchmons that would insta crash the game
31:58
Ah yes, my favourite type in RBY, Cooltrainer♀️
I love the face that the Chansey on the thumbnail is making lmao 🤔
Words cannot express how much I love this channel.
You're doing great work
I'd love to see you cover the notable differences on the hybrid mons.
In the Glitchmons tier, instead of Desync clause they’d need a Game Crash clause.
No both
TH-cam gods, bless this man, for he has delivered unto me pointless information about a busted game from the 90s!
I've always wanted to have a battle simulator with RBY glitchmons
Literally if you start a new game you get a glitch, the nidorino's cry is actually a nidorina's
Dude this guy’s dry humor is top tier on TH-cam lmao. “Sometimes it’s not about living. Sometimes it’s about sending a message” instant subscribe, that whole segment was gold
Glitch meta be like:
"Yes! I'm about to win, you can do this ○-J¥!"
_The opponent's 'V used TM69!_
Showdown then proceeds to corrupt your computer's RAM
This is SO cool! I love learning about glitch stuff, and glitch pokemon in particular is such a fascinating topic to me. So actually hearing some thoughts on how viable they would be competitively is SOOO interesting. If you ever decide to do more of these (if that's possible considering how weird glitch stuff is lol) I will be there with bells on
Glad you enjoyed! I might talk about the glitchmons in Yellow sometime, there's some that are pretty wild
Yo I was looking forward to just a video talking about missingno. competitively but getting to know missingno.'s friends was really fun and interesting. Your vid lived up to my hype, great job 👏
I kind of find it fitting the mascot of glitch mons is pretty awful by it’s standards. I mean this is true with base Pokémon with Pikachu, and many other games like Mario from 64-brawl or captain America and ryu in the mvc series. The face of something usually isn’t actually that good so it’s kind of perfect missingno the face of glitches is pretty bad.
This is such a good idea for a video. It'd never happen, but I'd love if pokemon introduced a hidden 'glitch' official pokemon.
All this glichmons' stats remembers me of the Ulta Beasts. Maybe they were some kind of espiration ?
I remember missongno being a normal/bird type. It gave me gaslight vibes because I thought for a split second that rb labeled flying type as bird type the whole time and I had to checky Pidgey to make sure it was normal/flying type.
i love how he just shits out swears every fucking second lol
I didn't know about any of these besides Missingno.
All of them are super interesting.
Also I'd love a video looking at all the goofy glitch moves. Mostly because seeing all of them have terrible accuracy and crashing the game is funny to me.
I don't even play competitive Pokemon, but your videos are a joy to watch anyway. More entertaining to watch than most other videos about competitive Pokemon. Especially this one, because the concept is so absurd and niche and yet I love it. Most of them are either crap or ridiculously OP; just as I was expecting. Would love to see the Yellow glitch Pokemon covered too, though I am unsure how different they are to the Red/Blue ones.
bkc is a pretty good youtube channel dedicated to competetive pokemon
7:02 "A lot of them [...] kinda tear the game to shreds"
As it did to that poor Rattata's feet...
Jesus Christ...
Yeah, G is super fun to use. I used it in a playthrough where I cheated it, and another Glitchmon in....
Also, I know you didn't mention glitch moves intentionally. But, it learns a move that's a SUPER busted version of Double Team. Like, I THINK it boosts evasion by 3 stages or something.
So that would be extremely ban worthy. Considering normal Double Team is broken enough as is.
The move would be banned because of Evasion Clause anyway.
15:19 Wow, that Pokémon gave me a whole new perspective and I was able to see a so many Pokémon I couldn't have seen before.
When i was younger i thought missingno were the gen1 version of unknown pokemon
Imagine how impossible it'd be to judge a winner in the event that a glitch move like '--' desyncs the battle. On one side, player 1 wins, on the other, player 2 wins. Whos' the winner X3
My man wasn't sponsored, he just wanted to shout out a game he played and enjoyed. That's honestly based. By making it short, sweet, and unsponsored, it incentivizes going to play it yourself. By doing so, it creates a group of people that go play the game and tells the people there where they came from, and then those people that find your channel from this group of your viewers then goes to watch your content, getting more views. I think that's a great strategy.
94 just makes me realize how bonkers the Ghost type was (defensively) in gen 1. Or WOULD HAVE BEEN, if Gengar wasn't a Poison type!
This was an insane ride. I couldn't help but burst out laughing upon looking at every base stat total.
I don't play competitive Pokémon because I'm not interested in doing it myself, but I love watching videos talking about competitive Pokémon, so it's why I'm here. 😁
I'd really love to see a video about hybrid glitch pokemons too ! I bet there are some crazy fun shenanigans in there.
Or maybe on some of the view "maybe viable glitch moves that doesn't make your gameboy explode"
It's interesting to speculate what a true Anything Goes (cartridge rules) tier would look like for RBY. This video scratches the surface of the question, suggesting C1 and P as likely tier-kings. But there are still many unanswered questions: 1. Are there similarly OP glitchmons from Yellow Version that could compete with them?
2. What about the hybrid glitchmons? (That Gengar with Spore looks promising; so what other fast hybrids get Spore? Could you make a Spore-Mewtwo?).
3. Presumably, even a tier based on cartridge rules would have a "crash clause" against things that crash the game. But what about powerful glitch-moves that don't crash the game? Which ones would have the biggest impact on glitchmon viability?
4. What is the true level cap under "cartridge-rules"? I remember from childhood that giving "M" or MissingNo (caught above lvl 100) more exp would cause it to "level up" to the standard cap of 100 (and become unable to go above it again), but that you could keep increasing the level with rare candies up to some absurd point where it "rolled over". Could you enter a link battle with a team of C1:s, Ps and Spore-Hybrids that are all level 240 or some such?
So what team would actually win if a high-stakes cartridge-rules (but no hacks) tournament compelled all the 40-year-old munchkin Pokémon masters to once more assemble with their Gameboys and Link Cables at the playground and battle it out?
Red and blue were made in a dire time for game freak. The series would have had to be a success for the company to survive. I don't want to think how many hours the developers were overworked
We seriously need to give credit to Missingno and other glitchmons for saving pokemon. Without them, there would be no Black 2/White 2, Ruby/Sapphire, etc.
Ripping at the roots of creation, dragging formless alien beings into the cold light of our reality so we can find out which ones suck the most
Summons a horrible creature from the depths just to tell it that Tauros OHKO's it
Ah, the ol' bait and glitch
Missingno is a glass grenade, powerful but might break before it gets to do it's thing
admin of GCRI here-- i actually had this same idea a while back and even wrote up my own clauses and ideas for my own glitchmon tier-- i considered it an Ubers tier, because there's not a lot of glitch pokemon are mid tier, they're either awful or hybrids of awful pokemon, or hybrids of really good pokemon that could either outclass an already existing OU mon or just suck. You hit a lot of the same issues I tried to address in my own analysis- what to do with crashes, RB and Y specific glitches, and the like... I once considered letting Super Glitch moves to be allowed at first due to the ability to mitigate the corruption with the pokemon menu, but it would require 1. both players to pause at a specific area in game and then never open the pokemon menu again until they enter battle... but as soon as either player opens the pokemon menu it would go right back to causing issues. And that's just ONE of the many issues I was trying to figure out how to deal with!
in my research, I also noticed that Smogon actually ended up having to address some fundemental glitches in the game that could pop up in a normal battle-- not the 1/256 glitch, but an issue of how Counter works with the Attack menu. I think the simulator assumes once you go into the attack menu, you never back out, correct me if I'm wrong.
I wanted to look into it more, but I never played RBY OU and I never had anyone to really talk about this with who had much knowledge of Gen 1 OU, much less any tier. I think you can code your own smogon fork if anyone wanted to mess around with Gen I glitches, but I'd split it between a RB and Y tier (English only.... lets not get into other language glitch pokemon.) and ban all crashing glitchmon and glitch moves. (Unfortunately, I believe one of the strongest RB glitchmons is a crasher :( )
I really like how you implemented Smogon imagery for each glitchmon :)
One thing to note: I noticed you mentioned 4h (0xD6) is a double normal type and suffers from 4x fighting weakness- this is actually incorrect, and is because of something Bulbapedia unhelfully does not address in their articles about Glitch pokemon. There are "false" types in Gen 1 that are the real type's value but plus 80. They share the same name with the real type, but are actually a Glitch type and thus do not have any strengths or weaknesses, and do not have STAB with moves that share the (real) type. A lot of Glitch pokemon have false types like this, and in this case, 4h is actually a Normal (Glitch) and Normal (real) type, so it would only have 2x fighting weakness.
doesn't make it suck any less though.
Edit: the same goes for 94 (0xF1) which is the same family as 94 h (0xF9), both it's types are False Normal and False Ghost, so it is effectively a Glitch/Glitch type. No gen 1 Hisuian Zoroark here :(
Enjoying your videos, this one in particular was quite interesting, I don't think there's another video even remotely like it. Coming up with new stuff for a game like Pokemon is impressive on it's own; to make it interesting is the icing on the cake.
3TrainerPoke$ is by far the strongest one like ever.
Its slow and has low hp but it has such high attack, defense and special stats to make up for it and learns some decent attacks like Mega Drain, Soft Boiled and Earthquake.
Fun fact: you physically CANNOT go through Pokemon red and blue without seeing a glitch. The nidoran professor oak pulls out has the opposite genders cry
Fun fact about missingno having 0 def and 130+ atk, I recall someone doing a Gen 1 solo run with missingno. in one battle, missingno got confused, hit itself in confusion and OHKOd ITSELF
if a new glitchmon is discovered, i hope the community lovingly dubs it "Big Bingus"
I love that about 2.5% of the Pokemon franchise's earnings are unironically "Jet Aircraft Livery"
I remember showing up to school with missingno and pulling him out in a link battle. I was the fucking shit and everyone wanted to know how to do it. Coolest I've ever felt in life lol. Pretty sure it was a lvl130 rapidash
missingno should at least be legal in some gen 1 hackmons tier. I'm fine with "fixing" the freeze/crashes because that's way outside the realm of reasonable
9:24 - missingno
13:16 - C
15:21 - F5
17:33 - E3
19:13 - 4H
21:13 - P4$
23:10 - 'V
24:42 - F4
26:49 - G
28:54 - 'M
30:06 - A
32:24 - EC
34:24 - M p'u
35:09 - F2
36:33 - 94
39:10 - C1 and P
C1 and P would be the box art legendaries of competitive glitchmon
I'd like to see you look at the Glitchmons from Yellow. I'm pretty sure they're way stronger.
its always an amazing moment when big yellow uploads
I do wanna see the Yellow version of this video
i would imagine "glitchmons tier" would just be like... RBY AG. C1 and P are megaray or zacian crowned or what have you
The fact that glitch Pokémon have base stats, level up sets, and even evolutions is terrifying to me.
Thanks for giving glitch pokemons some love. I was obsessed with a tuber called MissingnoXPert and was fascinated with glitch pokemon. I chose yellow for the sheer amount and exclusivity of glitch pokemon it contained, the majority of which can be obtained via the johto guard glitch. Glitch pokemon can evolve, and often change species between the different gen 1 games. Interesting observations are 44hy that plays vermilion city's theme for a cry, a move called super glitch, the TMTRAINER effect, JACRED (hybrid of jack and red), and glitch trainer classes.
6:40 Hey, it's Onix's pre-evolution!