I've been rocking TH-cam premium for many moons now. It is both a time saver and allows me to listen (with youtube app minimized) to this while I DoorDash. It's totally worth it!
One more thing about the Steven battle: Suppose we edit the game or use some kind of Action Replay. Suppose we give him a Nincada as a starting Pokémon. Suppose it evolves after the fight. Also suppose that we have an empty slot in our party. Will a Shedinja appear in our team?
If I recall correctly, there is a magnetic field at the power plant. I'm pretty sure it was added in the ultra games because of Poni Island being the last one you go to is a very long time to go with a Charjabug.
6:25 this mechanic was introduced in gen 4 though? mount coronet does this. chargestone cave does this. kalos power plant does this. and the Electric trial (in addition to Blush Mountain, *not* Mount Hokulani) does this in USUM only, not normal SM.
Yeah I was gonna say. Gen 7 was the very LAST generation to have location based evolution not the first. Now all of those evolutions just use their respective types stones.
For the same reasons I knew that Steven's newly beefed up metagross wouldn't persist into the next fight, I knew the rival wouldn't retain the shiny cindaquil either. Pokemon trainer fights, and specifically their teams, are hard-coded with specific IVs/EVs and specific PID's/TID's/SID's so that each trainer fight is against the exact same standardized team every time. In fact, I think it's even the case that these preset pokemon teams are deliberately given combinations of ID's and IVs that can never produce shiny pokemon.
Yeah, it's already been shown that, in the Hoenn games, if the Ralts Wally meets in Route 102 is Shiny, that won't result in him having a Shiny Ralts in Mauville or a Shiny Gardevoir in Victory Road.
yeah, the game doesn't even "know" they're the same characters. There's not one rival that the game keeps track of, they're in the code as rival1/2/3 etc. Basically completely different characters as far as the game is concerned.
LEGITTTT!! real ones be like "bro that was linoone and wailmer??" and then phin goes "it was actually linoone and wailmer". like damn we play these games too much LMAO
Getting to see these new videos where you show yourself being just completely unhinged gives a really funny and relatable contrast to how professionally you speak for your scripted content.
New to this channel and thought it was kinda weird IMO. Reminds me of YT'ers that cover top 10s for murders and mysteries compared to just a real enthusiastic guy for Pkmn. Was weird to hear that sort of tone regarding these games lol.
I love how you started the shiny starter one by "No player is dumb enough to answer. That's where I come in" 😂 We could hear the smirk in your voice, I love it 😂
That's okay. When I saw my first shiny (a mankey in leaf green) since mankey shiny is just slightly darker I got scared and thought it was a bugged pokemon and restarted my save file in fear of it corrupting my game.
The magnetic field thing has always been a thing since the introduction of Probopass and Magnezone. It started as the summit of Mt. Coronet, then Chargestone Cave, Route 13 in Kalos, then New Mauville, then Vast Poni Canyon in base Sun and Moon and Blush Mountain in the Ultra games. Idk why they thought it was the electric trial area tho, it's always been only one location like the Icy and Mossy Rock
Ultra games have two locations, Vast Poni Canyon works the same as in base SM. Blush Mountain did not replace the magnetic field, it added onto it. Same goes for the Crabrawler evolution, Ultra games added one more spot, not replace the old one
@@LeKornorBros Well with Crabrawler, they didn't add a new area, it's still Mt Lanakila, they just made the bottom portion accessible earlier than before
That Steven partner battle is such an interesting case. After watching this video I looked at Emerald's disassembly to try to understand it better. It's essentially coded as a special case of the link battle from the Battle Frontier, where you and a friend link up to battle as partners. In every case in the Battle Frontier, EXP is disabled for both Pokemon and your Pokedex doesn't get updated if you see/battle with new Pokemon (e.g. rentals). But they never accounted for the case in which it's a normal overworld battle, likely because it was just this one case. So rather than code for a special double battle where only one partner can earn EXP, they likely carefully set the levels of all NPC Pokemon to make it that Steven's Pokemon wouldn't level up when played normally (without a triple Explosion sacrifice). So with that, I'm fairly certain that if you gave him a Nincada and went into the battle with 5 or fewer Pokemon in your party and a Pokeball in your bag, and the Nincada evolved into Ninjask at the end of the battle, you would walk away with Steven's Shedinja.
Hey, I've seen a few people comment about the shedinja idea. I think I might have the right tools to test this. If I do, any advice on where I should share the results? Other than the idea of just individually replying to everyone in this comments section who is curious about that and sending them my results.
@@kristalann5151 If you do try it, be sure to see if you can battle with Steven with only 2 total pokemon instead of 3. Someone else guessed that the game might create a "new trainer" for this fight and give it a full team of 6, consisting of your 3 and his three. So the game will treat that like the owner of the nincada has a team of 6, as it won't be looking at your current party of 5. I don't know if any of this is valid, but just mentioning it in case you do go through the effort of trying it out.
@@BlueBoyPhin Hey, I'm not the person who you replied to, but I just tried it out the mechanics. While I didn't replace Steven's Metang exactly, I did the following scenario through ROM hacking: - You start in Mossdeep + the three NPC flags for the fight are removed - Pokémon menu unlocked - Pokédex menu unlocked - lv100 Weezing #1 - lv19 Metang (just for testing purposes. evolves at lv20 into Metagross, and also has the applied evolutionary scenario for Shedinja, taken from Nincada) - lv100 Weezing #2 - Rare Candy - Poké Ball - Max Revives - Metang is now part Ghost First I evolved my Metang with a Rare Candy and can confirm it works. I got Metagross + a Shedinja did indeed pop up in my party. Upon testing the battle (Explosion+ Revive), it seems that unfortunately you don't get a Shedinja. I'll try to figure out a way to outright replace Metang with Nincada and give it a thorough, proper test, but Gen 3 is pretty straightforward mechanically, and it DOES register Shedinja in your Pokédex, bizarrely. I was kinda hoping maybe the Pokémon actually generated. Do you want video of these scenarios? Edit: oh yeah, just to verify, I did the testing independently. I did the battle without touching my own Metang and Shedinja did indeed pop up in my 'dex.
"This place is crawling with this pokemon and absolutely none of its evolved form, this must be a place where they evolve." That's some flawless logic there 😂
I'm sad that the roaming Pokémon cry in the overworld wasn't real. I'm assuming that's also true for static legendaries as well. I thought it might've been true beforehand, having heard some cries I didn't recognize while in the overworld, but was never really sure.
Same, I'm positive I've heard Suicune in the overworld in a game before, and that one is a very distinct cry. But I'm pretty sure that was in HGSS not RSE or FRLG.
What's really strange to me is I remember it specifically being how you determined if the roaming pokémon was in the route you were in. You would hear it really loud and distinct, but I think that's my memory from the original crystal version not anything newer than that. It doesn't make any sense that they would cut it since it was specifically a feature back then though.
It is normal for the PokéDex entry not to show up after automatically evolving a Pokémon. You always have to open up the Dex manually. They didn't change that until more recent Gens.
The Meteor Falls Steven fight makes sense to not be affected by the double battle -- the battles are hard coded for moves and levels (and in many generations, IVs as well by trainer class), so there wasn't gonna be any effect from changing up Steven's metang during the double battle.
Magnetic evolutions have been around since Generation 4 and Mt Coronet, since Magnezone and Probopass are both Gen 4 Pokemon. In fact, every generation from 4 to 7 has had an area with a high magnetic area for such evolutions, such as Chargestone Cave in Unova.
4:41-EXCUSE ME?! I've played this game for 15 years, numerous playthroughs, I surfed through all the twigs in the lake just to reach that house! And TODAY is the day I discover this is a feature of the area? I have never noticed that the lake changes at all!
The Vikavolt one is interesting, because I ALSO remember my Charjabug evolving there. Some people are saying that does happen, but only in the Ultra games. I only ever had the base game of Sun though. Weird Mandela effect, I guess.
this is both episodes of my "Unconfirmed Pokemon Facts" series combined, most of the facts also have an additional segment answering a bunch of the other questions and further tests that people were asking for on the original videos. so yeah its old and new
In FR/LG Oak has hidden dialogue that you get during the very first rival fight. Some you see normally by doing the following: 1. using a healing item 2. using non daamaage moves 3. dealing damage BUT there is a secret set if dialogue for TWO scenarios that would normally never happen because you only have one Pokemon and you lack a revival item. These secret Oak in-battle dialogue options are 1. reviving a fainted mon 2. switching to a second party member (this also can crash the game) ..... My question is whether there might be a dialogue option for other things. In those games your rival can have a Shiny starter, you could also win without taking damage, win by moves like counter/mirror coat, get statuses and/or heal them, etc. How many dialogue options did they put in?
Your rival CAN'T have a shiny starter pokemon due to how the trainer battles are coded. It's the same reason why Wally can't have a shiny Ralts if he catches on, the battles are hard coded to be a specific way. The only instances I've seen of NPCs having random shiny pokemon gen 3 games have been romhacks where the method used to increase the shiny odds changes how the game determines shiny pokemon entirely (thus making lots of 'false' shiny mons that will appear non shiny if checked in PKHex for example) rather than just heightening chance.
@@zoranadraws I have seen many versions of the game where the rival.and NPC trainers can have shiny Pokemon in their party. It is typically in modded versions of the game. The point is that there is custom Oak dialogue on the first rival battle programmed in the ACTUAL GBA of game. in spite being unlikely to ever likely to see it unless they use randomizers or cheats to change what you have prior to that battle. (and I wonder just how many could exist beyond what we normally see).
@@storymaster21 Modded means it's a romhack. Romhacks are just modified roms. A randomized rom is a romhack to make the mons random, even if it's a small change compared to other romhacks. The rival can't ever have a shiny in the official games. And doing a skim through the text for that battle in an unmodified rom dumped from the physical cart doesn't mention anything about shiny pokemon.
I remember playing Moon and thinking the Bug was cute and hey, why not use Magnemite? I was the fool who carried Charjabug and Magneton all the way to Vast Poni Canyon to not only get Vikavolt but a Magnezone too.
Same happened to me. I had the bug in my team and at some point I was wondering when the hell does thing evolve. I don't look up walkthroughs. At some point at random I was in the cave and fought some random monster and then it finally evolved, phew.
My cousin played a lot of pokemon go with her dad when she was quite young, and it got to a point where she could recognize the cries of all of the first generation of pokemon within a couple of seconds. It was truly impressive
I’m not familiar with Hoenn cries in the slightest and wasn’t expecting a twist “neither are Latios” but even I was like “man idk I wouldn’t say EITHER of those sound like Latios” despite not even knowing what Latios sounds like lmao
@@minutosdesapercibidosesp-e4508 Maybe for hardcore fans since they're relatively common spawns, sure. The sound bites were from GBA however so unless you played the games authenticity, it would be more difficult for newer fans because cries have been modernized.
I feel like the "People thought running increases your encounter rate in Gen 3 but it actually doesn't" and the "Biking secretly decreases your encounter rate in Gen 3" facts are very related.
Really loved this video, but my only comment is that the music was too loud on certain parts and i couldn't hear the narration properly, other than that, fantastic work! Will sub! 😊
I don't think the Blackthorn City sign is the only time it tells you running makes you run into more Pokemon. I'm pretty sure an NPC in Cherrygrove City right after you get the shoes says "careful when running because it makes Pokemon and trainers hear you more" or something
Funny enough I knocked out the gyrados by accident when I played the game like 12 years ago and then found an gameFAQ thready saying I can recatch it after beating the elite four. Deadass gameFAQ was the goat back then
He just went insane and wanted it to be true. My theory: the misremembering viewer wonder traded someone, received a Vikavolt around the time they had a Charjabug in their party while facing that Island Challenge, and had a DIFFERENT Pokémon evolve.
As someone who has used ROM editors, every trained fight in the GBA games is stored separately, every fight can be edited individually, as they do not communicate between them. Every trained has multiple NPC entities, one for each location they appear
i guess a bunch of people would probably say you're "wasting your time" doing things like this, but i dont see it that way. pokemon is such an incredibly deep series, and its all these tiny nuances that make the franchise so fun, memorable, replayable, and above all, LOVED by so many people. these rumours are built on love -- telling tales around the playground as kids, playing it so intensely you start to have vivid dreams you swear were true... so thank you guys so much for testing things like this. its stuff we've all heard, all wondered about, but the fact there are people like you out there willing to test these ideas, and put to rest (or better yet, VINDICATE!) the rumours that have haunted us since children means so much. i hope people dont take your incredible dedication for granted. i adore your videos, and deeply admire your passion and commitment. this is not a waste of time, its a beautiful show of your love. thank you phin and wyatt! ❤
Since Metagross is added to the pokedex as caught, what happens if you have an empty party slot? Would it join your party or would you still have an empty slot?
I think what is happening is that the game considers Metang as one of your party Pokemon during the battle, up until the map loads at the end. Then, when it evolves it adds Metagross to your Pokedex like any other time your Pokemon evolves and you obtain their Pokedex entry.
i sort of doubt it anyway, but i think with an empty party slot/one less exploder you might not actually be able to get enough exp to evolve the metang in the first place
i'd just like it to be known that for some reason, your last video got recommended to me 2 or 3 days ago, and thus i was really confused when this said "uploaded 5 hours ago" today
thanks for introducing me to the softies, i have no idea where you find a lot of your music for these videos but its what makes your videos feel so personal
I was expecting to feel a little nostalgia watching a few of these clips, but was absolutely smashed with it when you used the BGM music for Tank Racer at 14:58 onwards. Thank you for that 🙏
I wonder… if you found mirage island in RSE, picked the Liechi berry, planted an oran berry in its spot, left, and then found mirage island again on another day, would there be an oran berry tree?
That intro ad was so well done and I haven't seen your stuff before, that I didn't realize it was new stuff slipped into the old footage for a minute. Take my sub, boy.
Here's a fun Sun and Moon (or maybe USUM) fact: if you evolve your starter at the very beginning of the game, it changes the early cut scenes in minor ways
No cuz the part with the shiny Cyndaquil was so hauntingly beautiful actually?? The message about games being what we get out of it and our own emotional connections and feelings towards it???? Beautiful 100/10 This really was a blast of a video! A mix of old and new facts, new tests and theories, and more of the fun style of editing and commentary was really great to watch
Editing goes SO HARD this is you in your element and it's amazing dude! First the midwest emo edit the other vid and now you going insane with Charjabug. Absolutely love it man, such a vibe keep it up :)
Just wanted to let you know I really appreciate the effort that went into this video. Not just the effort behind proper testing, but the editing, scripting, it's all superb.
Drag the progress bar all the way to 10 seconds before the end of the video, let it finish, then drag it all the way back to the beginning and hit play, no ads. Fuck Ads and Fuck TH-cam Premium.
I used to do that, I got premium though because when there were ads a couple years ago, Amy Schumer had this ridiculous ad of her putting a tampon in her mouth that played nearly EVERY time an ad played. And there's 0 way to report/block an ad from playing so I gave in to the dark side to spare myself from ever having to look at that monstrous woman ever again >.
Any of the ones about manipulating an NPC’s Pokémon is the kind of thing where you understand why people say it but it’s also quite obvious why it wouldn’t work. Whenever the game pulls fight data it isn’t like for whatever reason calling upon previous party data and just adding levels and what not, it is a specific data entry that is called upon.
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Nice
I've been rocking TH-cam premium for many moons now. It is both a time saver and allows me to listen (with youtube app minimized) to this while I DoorDash. It's totally worth it!
"You're not eligible for this special offer from BlueBoyPhin"
Bruh, how am i not eligible
My first time having premium thanks so much 🥺
I thought you were gonna "unshiny" hunt the red gyarados 🤣
fun fact using arbitrary code execution you can do that in gen 2
@Loch32 damn, i love that hahaha. Does it still "shimmer and shine" like does for the red one?
Same 😂
Me too for a sec 😂
@@mattodude237 no
"Nothing happened, except for now, Steven has a pissed off Forretress." You can hear the self-loathing 😂😭
27:08
One more thing about the Steven battle: Suppose we edit the game or use some kind of Action Replay. Suppose we give him a Nincada as a starting Pokémon. Suppose it evolves after the fight. Also suppose that we have an empty slot in our party.
Will a Shedinja appear in our team?
That's an interesting idea, I'd love to see if it happens
I bet it would 😃
Whose Trainer-ID would it show?
@@t_bone181 It inherits an OT from its Nincada, so it would have Steven as its OT.
Don't you also have to have a pokeball in your bag for that to work
If I recall correctly, there is a magnetic field at the power plant. I'm pretty sure it was added in the ultra games because of Poni Island being the last one you go to is a very long time to go with a Charjabug.
Oh so it’s an ultra thing not a sun and moon thing
Just checked Bulbapedia and yeah looks like they added a field to Blush Mountain in the ultra games
I evolved mine there and got so confused when he started talking about the only field being on Poni island
@ was that on Ultra ?
I swear I had a Vikavolt around that time too
1:57 No joke, an ad played right after the joke about ads. I didn't care what the ad was, I hate all ads.
Bet that ad break was put there on purpose to show you what you can not have if you get premium lol
I, too, was greeted with:
"I'd like to share this sunset with you, ad free."
[pan to sunset]
[ad]
Fr I don't even want the single MILFs in my area anymore.
6:25 this mechanic was introduced in gen 4 though? mount coronet does this. chargestone cave does this. kalos power plant does this. and the Electric trial (in addition to Blush Mountain, *not* Mount Hokulani) does this in USUM only, not normal SM.
Yeah I was gonna say. Gen 7 was the very LAST generation to have location based evolution not the first. Now all of those evolutions just use their respective types stones.
@@absoluteatrocity4019 acshully ☝️🤓 gen 8 requires you to go to a specific spot to evolve galarian yamask
(im still bitter about this)
@@raiyaki6752 you got me. Yeah runerigus is the only and last one with a gen 8 location based evo
Magnezone: am I a joke to you
@@raiyaki6752Do not forget that it is required to lose a specific amount of HP.
For the same reasons I knew that Steven's newly beefed up metagross wouldn't persist into the next fight, I knew the rival wouldn't retain the shiny cindaquil either. Pokemon trainer fights, and specifically their teams, are hard-coded with specific IVs/EVs and specific PID's/TID's/SID's so that each trainer fight is against the exact same standardized team every time. In fact, I think it's even the case that these preset pokemon teams are deliberately given combinations of ID's and IVs that can never produce shiny pokemon.
Yeah, it's already been shown that, in the Hoenn games, if the Ralts Wally meets in Route 102 is Shiny, that won't result in him having a Shiny Ralts in Mauville or a Shiny Gardevoir in Victory Road.
yeah, the game doesn't even "know" they're the same characters. There's not one rival that the game keeps track of, they're in the code as rival1/2/3 etc. Basically completely different characters as far as the game is concerned.
"Which cry is Latios" and I straight up said neither
LEGITTTT!! real ones be like "bro that was linoone and wailmer??" and then phin goes "it was actually linoone and wailmer". like damn we play these games too much LMAO
NOT SMOKING CIGARETTES DURING A TH-cam PREMIUM AD 😂😭😭
Especially for a TH-cam video about child game Pokémon
Getting to see these new videos where you show yourself being just completely unhinged gives a really funny and relatable contrast to how professionally you speak for your scripted content.
Seriously 😭. The difference in the vibes from say a year ago to the vids these days is so real
Nice pfp 🖤
Same with Johnstone
New to this channel and thought it was kinda weird IMO. Reminds me of YT'ers that cover top 10s for murders and mysteries compared to just a real enthusiastic guy for Pkmn. Was weird to hear that sort of tone regarding these games lol.
I love how you started the shiny starter one by "No player is dumb enough to answer. That's where I come in" 😂 We could hear the smirk in your voice, I love it 😂
Oh hey, I'm the Vikavolt viewer. I'm sorry for putting you through that...
It’s all about the journey
So it's true???
You probably evolved it on Blush Mountain, which comes right after the Electric trial.
Why would you lie like that tho
@@MrMitchbowcause funny
I actually knocked out the shiny gyarados as a kid, because I didn't know what shinies were and thought it was just a special boss.
That's okay. When I saw my first shiny (a mankey in leaf green) since mankey shiny is just slightly darker I got scared and thought it was a bugged pokemon and restarted my save file in fear of it corrupting my game.
The magnetic field thing has always been a thing since the introduction of Probopass and Magnezone. It started as the summit of Mt. Coronet, then Chargestone Cave, Route 13 in Kalos, then New Mauville, then Vast Poni Canyon in base Sun and Moon and Blush Mountain in the Ultra games. Idk why they thought it was the electric trial area tho, it's always been only one location like the Icy and Mossy Rock
Ultra games have two locations, Vast Poni Canyon works the same as in base SM. Blush Mountain did not replace the magnetic field, it added onto it. Same goes for the Crabrawler evolution, Ultra games added one more spot, not replace the old one
@@LeKornorBros Well with Crabrawler, they didn't add a new area, it's still Mt Lanakila, they just made the bottom portion accessible earlier than before
That Steven partner battle is such an interesting case. After watching this video I looked at Emerald's disassembly to try to understand it better. It's essentially coded as a special case of the link battle from the Battle Frontier, where you and a friend link up to battle as partners. In every case in the Battle Frontier, EXP is disabled for both Pokemon and your Pokedex doesn't get updated if you see/battle with new Pokemon (e.g. rentals). But they never accounted for the case in which it's a normal overworld battle, likely because it was just this one case. So rather than code for a special double battle where only one partner can earn EXP, they likely carefully set the levels of all NPC Pokemon to make it that Steven's Pokemon wouldn't level up when played normally (without a triple Explosion sacrifice).
So with that, I'm fairly certain that if you gave him a Nincada and went into the battle with 5 or fewer Pokemon in your party and a Pokeball in your bag, and the Nincada evolved into Ninjask at the end of the battle, you would walk away with Steven's Shedinja.
Hey, I've seen a few people comment about the shedinja idea. I think I might have the right tools to test this. If I do, any advice on where I should share the results? Other than the idea of just individually replying to everyone in this comments section who is curious about that and sending them my results.
I'll give that a try later and get back to you
@@kristalann5151 If you do try it, be sure to see if you can battle with Steven with only 2 total pokemon instead of 3. Someone else guessed that the game might create a "new trainer" for this fight and give it a full team of 6, consisting of your 3 and his three. So the game will treat that like the owner of the nincada has a team of 6, as it won't be looking at your current party of 5. I don't know if any of this is valid, but just mentioning it in case you do go through the effort of trying it out.
@@kristalann5151you could send it to me!
@@BlueBoyPhin Hey, I'm not the person who you replied to, but I just tried it out the mechanics. While I didn't replace Steven's Metang exactly, I did the following scenario through ROM hacking:
- You start in Mossdeep + the three NPC flags for the fight are removed
- Pokémon menu unlocked
- Pokédex menu unlocked
- lv100 Weezing #1
- lv19 Metang (just for testing purposes. evolves at lv20 into Metagross, and also has the applied evolutionary scenario for Shedinja, taken from Nincada)
- lv100 Weezing #2
- Rare Candy
- Poké Ball
- Max Revives
- Metang is now part Ghost
First I evolved my Metang with a Rare Candy and can confirm it works. I got Metagross + a Shedinja did indeed pop up in my party.
Upon testing the battle (Explosion+ Revive), it seems that unfortunately you don't get a Shedinja. I'll try to figure out a way to outright replace Metang with Nincada and give it a thorough, proper test, but Gen 3 is pretty straightforward mechanically, and it DOES register Shedinja in your Pokédex, bizarrely. I was kinda hoping maybe the Pokémon actually generated.
Do you want video of these scenarios?
Edit: oh yeah, just to verify, I did the testing independently. I did the battle without touching my own Metang and Shedinja did indeed pop up in my 'dex.
22:33 guys I think someone else's pokémon registering in your pokédex as caught is completely unheard of
💀
Um.
"This place is crawling with this pokemon and absolutely none of its evolved form, this must be a place where they evolve." That's some flawless logic there 😂
It’s sound logic when using video game logic😂
The TH-cam premium ad was actually so good i thought it was a long standing meme i didnt know because you because you were so off the wall 💯
I'm sad that the roaming Pokémon cry in the overworld wasn't real. I'm assuming that's also true for static legendaries as well. I thought it might've been true beforehand, having heard some cries I didn't recognize while in the overworld, but was never really sure.
Same, I'm positive I've heard Suicune in the overworld in a game before, and that one is a very distinct cry. But I'm pretty sure that was in HGSS not RSE or FRLG.
What's really strange to me is I remember it specifically being how you determined if the roaming pokémon was in the route you were in. You would hear it really loud and distinct, but I think that's my memory from the original crystal version not anything newer than that. It doesn't make any sense that they would cut it since it was specifically a feature back then though.
i personally think it happens before the encounter. because after you run it changes locations if i recall correctly
@JustaSalt Exactly! Him seeing it and then testing it was way off. Because after you encounter them and they run they leave the area.
It is normal for the PokéDex entry not to show up after automatically evolving a Pokémon. You always have to open up the Dex manually. They didn't change that until more recent Gens.
The Meteor Falls Steven fight makes sense to not be affected by the double battle -- the battles are hard coded for moves and levels (and in many generations, IVs as well by trainer class), so there wasn't gonna be any effect from changing up Steven's metang during the double battle.
Magnetic evolutions have been around since Generation 4 and Mt Coronet, since Magnezone and Probopass are both Gen 4 Pokemon. In fact, every generation from 4 to 7 has had an area with a high magnetic area for such evolutions, such as Chargestone Cave in Unova.
4:41-EXCUSE ME?! I've played this game for 15 years, numerous playthroughs, I surfed through all the twigs in the lake just to reach that house! And TODAY is the day I discover this is a feature of the area? I have never noticed that the lake changes at all!
The Vikavolt one is interesting, because I ALSO remember my Charjabug evolving there.
Some people are saying that does happen, but only in the Ultra games. I only ever had the base game of Sun though.
Weird Mandela effect, I guess.
was rewatching the other one and this one showed up. powerful upload
magnetic field wasnt added in sun and moon, it was added in diamond and pearl, its how you get magnezone and probopass
so confidently wrong. it was in sun and moon too
@@RamenCupBMG it wsnt "added" in sun and moon meaning sun and moon wasnt the *first* game to have it
I don't get it, does it evolve to Vikavolt at the trial or not?
No. However, in Ultra Sun and Moon, there is a spot quite soon after the trial that can evolve a Charjabug.
Am I tripping or have I already seen the drained lake of Rage Gyrados in a video?
Same- I thought this was a re-upload because of it.
this is both episodes of my "Unconfirmed Pokemon Facts" series combined, most of the facts also have an additional segment answering a bunch of the other questions and further tests that people were asking for on the original videos. so yeah its old and new
@ ahh so it’s like a lil compilation redux?
@@blvck5943 yes!
@@blvck5943ahhhh so it's like an excuse! Also... what the fuck are these cringy ass skits
The greatest anti-ad ad I've seen 😂
In FR/LG Oak has hidden dialogue that you get during the very first rival fight. Some you see normally by doing the following:
1. using a healing item
2. using non daamaage moves
3. dealing damage
BUT there is a secret set if dialogue for TWO scenarios that would normally never happen because you only have one Pokemon and you lack a revival item. These secret Oak in-battle dialogue options are
1. reviving a fainted mon
2. switching to a second party member (this also can crash the game)
.....
My question is whether there might be a dialogue option for other things. In those games your rival can have a Shiny starter, you could also win without taking damage, win by moves like counter/mirror coat, get statuses and/or heal them, etc.
How many dialogue options did they put in?
Your rival CAN'T have a shiny starter pokemon due to how the trainer battles are coded. It's the same reason why Wally can't have a shiny Ralts if he catches on, the battles are hard coded to be a specific way.
The only instances I've seen of NPCs having random shiny pokemon gen 3 games have been romhacks where the method used to increase the shiny odds changes how the game determines shiny pokemon entirely (thus making lots of 'false' shiny mons that will appear non shiny if checked in PKHex for example) rather than just heightening chance.
@@zoranadraws I have seen many versions of the game where the rival.and NPC trainers can have shiny Pokemon in their party. It is typically in modded versions of the game. The point is that there is custom Oak dialogue on the first rival battle programmed in the ACTUAL GBA of game. in spite being unlikely to ever likely to see it unless they use randomizers or cheats to change what you have prior to that battle. (and I wonder just how many could exist beyond what we normally see).
@@storymaster21 Modded means it's a romhack. Romhacks are just modified roms. A randomized rom is a romhack to make the mons random, even if it's a small change compared to other romhacks.
The rival can't ever have a shiny in the official games. And doing a skim through the text for that battle in an unmodified rom dumped from the physical cart doesn't mention anything about shiny pokemon.
I remember playing Moon and thinking the Bug was cute and hey, why not use Magnemite? I was the fool who carried Charjabug and Magneton all the way to Vast Poni Canyon to not only get Vikavolt but a Magnezone too.
Same happened to me. I had the bug in my team and at some point I was wondering when the hell does thing evolve. I don't look up walkthroughs. At some point at random I was in the cave and fought some random monster and then it finally evolved, phew.
16:13 I've played enough of Hoenn to determine both of those cries weren't Latios and I said who they belonged to the same time you did 😭🎺🎺🎺
Yeah wasn't even hard tbh 😅
My cousin played a lot of pokemon go with her dad when she was quite young, and it got to a point where she could recognize the cries of all of the first generation of pokemon within a couple of seconds. It was truly impressive
I’m not familiar with Hoenn cries in the slightest and wasn’t expecting a twist “neither are Latios” but even I was like “man idk I wouldn’t say EITHER of those sound like Latios” despite not even knowing what Latios sounds like lmao
@@poppyseed799 Im saying I visualized them popping on screen and everything. Idk every soundbite but those in particular are memorable.
@@minutosdesapercibidosesp-e4508 Maybe for hardcore fans since they're relatively common spawns, sure. The sound bites were from GBA however so unless you played the games authenticity, it would be more difficult for newer fans because cries have been modernized.
I feel like the "People thought running increases your encounter rate in Gen 3 but it actually doesn't" and the "Biking secretly decreases your encounter rate in Gen 3" facts are very related.
Really loved this video, but my only comment is that the music was too loud on certain parts and i couldn't hear the narration properly, other than that, fantastic work! Will sub! 😊
I don't think the Blackthorn City sign is the only time it tells you running makes you run into more Pokemon. I'm pretty sure an NPC in Cherrygrove City right after you get the shoes says "careful when running because it makes Pokemon and trainers hear you more" or something
Funny enough I knocked out the gyrados by accident when I played the game like 12 years ago and then found an gameFAQ thready saying I can recatch it after beating the elite four. Deadass gameFAQ was the goat back then
Fr. Sometimes I wouldn’t even trust other sites wit info on games. Gamefaqs was goated to me a verified😂
Fr. Sometimes I wouldn’t even trust other sites wit info on games. Gamefaqs was goated to me and verified😂
Sun and Moon didn’t introduce the magnetic field thing. It was introduced in Diamond and Pearl.
Wait, I'm lost because of the skit and the sort of. What was confirmed with Charjabug?
Same
Ditto
@@Razzberry_dollzno it was Charjabug
It was confirmed that it Evolved after the dialog of such
@@AlizarinRed from someone who played those games once at launch that was not clear at all lol
The ending of Grubin's Quest was kind of confusing, is the myth actually confirmed or was that just part of the skit?
Ultra games did make Charjabug be evolved in the fenced power plant area which is AFTER the the mountain challenge
So probably not lol
He just went insane and wanted it to be true. My theory: the misremembering viewer wonder traded someone, received a Vikavolt around the time they had a Charjabug in their party while facing that Island Challenge, and had a DIFFERENT Pokémon evolve.
Love the vibes of these videos, feel like I’m being transported to the 90’s
That "Magnetic Field" mechanic has been a thing since Gen. 4, not 7.
Wait, so is the Charjabug thing true or not?
I think about the "FUCK YOU, FINNEON" from your Softlock video all the time. :) I love your videos!
This is important, scientific research being done. Give that boy a government grant.
Finally another phin video to occupy my headspace for the next 2 weeks
Getting mad Pop Fiction vibes from the new videos (the old ones from gametrailers). Great stuff man.
No shot someone just mentioned pop fiction. You are a g.o.a.t
As someone who has used ROM editors, every trained fight in the GBA games is stored separately, every fight can be edited individually, as they do not communicate between them.
Every trained has multiple NPC entities, one for each location they appear
the ad you put in the video, is the kind of ad even youtube premium can’t avoid
i guess a bunch of people would probably say you're "wasting your time" doing things like this, but i dont see it that way. pokemon is such an incredibly deep series, and its all these tiny nuances that make the franchise so fun, memorable, replayable, and above all, LOVED by so many people. these rumours are built on love -- telling tales around the playground as kids, playing it so intensely you start to have vivid dreams you swear were true...
so thank you guys so much for testing things like this. its stuff we've all heard, all wondered about, but the fact there are people like you out there willing to test these ideas, and put to rest (or better yet, VINDICATE!) the rumours that have haunted us since children means so much. i hope people dont take your incredible dedication for granted. i adore your videos, and deeply admire your passion and commitment. this is not a waste of time, its a beautiful show of your love. thank you phin and wyatt! ❤
Thank you Grey!!
Since Metagross is added to the pokedex as caught, what happens if you have an empty party slot? Would it join your party or would you still have an empty slot?
I think what is happening is that the game considers Metang as one of your party Pokemon during the battle, up until the map loads at the end. Then, when it evolves it adds Metagross to your Pokedex like any other time your Pokemon evolves and you obtain their Pokedex entry.
i sort of doubt it anyway, but i think with an empty party slot/one less exploder you might not actually be able to get enough exp to evolve the metang in the first place
i'd just like it to be known that for some reason, your last video got recommended to me 2 or 3 days ago, and thus i was really confused when this said "uploaded 5 hours ago" today
The anti AD Advertisement was genius brother. 🚬
10:52 there's a point at the power plant, but I don't know if that's Ultra or regular Sun and Moon
its ultra only
@idklolwut probably because the complaints from regular Sun and Moon
ngl, did not expect him to look like that
the scream for the unshiny cyndaquil sent me XD
thanks for introducing me to the softies, i have no idea where you find a lot of your music for these videos but its what makes your videos feel so personal
Check out some of rose melbergs solo stuff too! I dig and hunt for the best shit no one’s listening too
Phinny boy back with a bangerrrr!
クリエイターが以前の上手なビデオを繰り返しているこれらのビデオが大好き。
ありがとうございました!
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kudos to wyatt for offering himself as sacrifice to the 24-hour USUM playthrough. he will be missed
The running myth.... You never heard of speedrunning pokemon? They known for years. 😱
Why does it make total sense to me you would put an obscure frusciante song in.
I was expecting to feel a little nostalgia watching a few of these clips, but was absolutely smashed with it when you used the BGM music for Tank Racer at 14:58 onwards. Thank you for that 🙏
it's our boy phin with a new video. Time to have a relaxing afternoon! (keep em up they are amazing!)
love this, love the editing getting moer stylized, great work!
Nah, but i need a songlist from this video, those chill background songs slap
I’m commenting so if anyone posts the song list I’ll be notified. I really want to find the song played at 23:25
Quiz: Which one is Latios?
Me: Neither? One is a rodent and the other a fish?
Wow....I was suprisingly close.
I wonder… if you found mirage island in RSE, picked the Liechi berry, planted an oran berry in its spot, left, and then found mirage island again on another day, would there be an oran berry tree?
That intro ad was so well done and I haven't seen your stuff before, that I didn't realize it was new stuff slipped into the old footage for a minute. Take my sub, boy.
Love the artistic direction on this video
32:35
Impossible challenge: Have all 3 starters be shiny.
The fk i love your dramatic scenes hjahahahaaa
Man y’all injecting us with nostalgia in the beginning 😂
Here's a fun Sun and Moon (or maybe USUM) fact: if you evolve your starter at the very beginning of the game, it changes the early cut scenes in minor ways
This ad is by far one of the best I have ever seen
You forgot to cut the extra take at 22:33 hahahahaha
No cuz the part with the shiny Cyndaquil was so hauntingly beautiful actually?? The message about games being what we get out of it and our own emotional connections and feelings towards it???? Beautiful 100/10
This really was a blast of a video! A mix of old and new facts, new tests and theories, and more of the fun style of editing and commentary was really great to watch
I've got an exam tomorrow which I need to study for, but i simply CANNOT skip one of ur vids
This guy has some of the craziest production quality I swear I love the decisions he makes
That ad-read was hilarious! The semi-unscripted feel made it that much better, with the manic cigarette smoking, it was awesome! 👍
This TH-cam premium ad is hilarious, I’ve never been more entertained by an ad 👌🏼👏🏼😂
Editing goes SO HARD this is you in your element and it's amazing dude! First the midwest emo edit the other vid and now you going insane with Charjabug. Absolutely love it man, such a vibe keep it up :)
ngl lighting up that cigarette and then delivering an ad read was metal as fuck.
Just wanted to let you know I really appreciate the effort that went into this video. Not just the effort behind proper testing, but the editing, scripting, it's all superb.
As a kid, I ran out of poke balls on the red gyarados so I had to knock it out, I thought it was gonna be gone forever
2:26 music is from pokemon Quest it’s called Staff Role for those interested
This was one of the best videos I have ever watched.
Drag the progress bar all the way to 10 seconds before the end of the video, let it finish, then drag it all the way back to the beginning and hit play, no ads. Fuck Ads and Fuck TH-cam Premium.
I used to do that, I got premium though because when there were ads a couple years ago, Amy Schumer had this ridiculous ad of her putting a tampon in her mouth that played nearly EVERY time an ad played. And there's 0 way to report/block an ad from playing so I gave in to the dark side to spare myself from ever having to look at that monstrous woman ever again >.
@sinny5404 Valid, I remember I used to think she was funny, then I grew up and got a Girlfriend. Respect
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perfect timing! was just heading off to sleep :)
goodnight!
....phin? u ok? since when did u swear like this in videos? its this a new villain arc? i genuinely got spooked and concerned-
Literally was just going to eat! This is a perfect video to watch meanwhile
am i the only one that JUST watched the original
yep you are 😸
Probably. I watched it on release.
Most likely
I watched it!
I watched it like 10 weeks ago or smth.
dude, your videos are really killing it! i love watching your videos especially the personal touch you add to them ❤
Wow I just finished watching your first part then you posted this video! Great work on the vids 🎉
Any of the ones about manipulating an NPC’s Pokémon is the kind of thing where you understand why people say it but it’s also quite obvious why it wouldn’t work. Whenever the game pulls fight data it isn’t like for whatever reason calling upon previous party data and just adding levels and what not, it is a specific data entry that is called upon.
that premium ad was legendary, I wish all ads were direct and down to earth as this, 🙌🙌🔥
Babe wake up new phin video dropped
where i can find these songs thatyou use inthe background? like in 37:10
It's a song by the band "The Softies" called "selfish"
ughhh, i love your music choices so much. i recognized jejune the very second those opening chords played
I love your editing style, genuinely immaculate