Post Office inquiry: accusation of 'lying' prompts heated exchange
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- Post Office legal chief Rodric Williams has been accused of “lying” after failing to admit that the organisation feared an Alan Bates victory would lead to a “cascade of criminal appeals”.
Mr Williams, who is currently head of legal in the Post Office’s dispute resolution and brand team, was being questioned over his previous role as a litigation lawyer for the scandal during the Horizon scandal.
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Unless members of the Post Office management go to prison , there is no justice .
What slightly bothers me about all this is that Blair and Mandy will never be questioned in the same way - or questioned at all
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your right better to never had a review IF this doesn't end up with proper sentencing
The post office bosses are yet to play the trump card that will ensure they wont see a day in a cell. It wont happen in public view and we wont be told a thing about it but it will, as always, prove the existence of the two tier justice system and that card is "The old school tie network"
Remember “Yes, prime minister “; never start inquiry unless you know the outcome. This inquiry will last for years until everybody forgets that even started. It will end up under Westminster carpet as all others did. Amen
Lying! Finally, someone has used the word Lying!!!!
Mr Henry.
Yes I know! They don't usually do that hence the sharp intake of collective breath! Brilliant! Love it! Well done Mr Stein. What an odious little worm Williams is! 😤🙂👌🙋🙏⚖️
Looking left, the liars pose.
@@malcolmmitchell6529 Whaaaat?? You will be throwing him into a river next to see of he sinks.
Squirm, obviscate & lie......
3 weeks ago I said that the people at the Post Office had no shame....
But now, I honestly Believe these people have no souls. They cared NOTHING about the damages they were causing simple, good and hard-working people. I say now that they are evil. There's really no other word for it.
Beautifully put ! 🌻
For sure !
Evil and greedy.
I don’t think the post masters were simple at all
And selective amnesia
That shocked him to the core! To be called out! Get him cross examined in a criminal court!
Squirming.
For sure !
He also didn't defend himself. Slammed.
the hole Inquiry: is a smoke screen of a sort? get as much dirt out in the public? so when it does get to proper criminal court, they can, put forward, that it will be imposable to get a fare trial? because, it is in posable court and jury, judges, have been (contaminated, all media coverage) there layers get them off, with ever have put one foot in a court building? next big news story comes a long? there's plenty of them brewing up at the moment, to cover any, news storey?
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Is this guy seriously a lawyer? I have never seen such a bumbling, fumbling unprofessional.
It’s an act
@@lukeraynorguitar5885 Nah, he just knows he's in trouble and he's $hitting himself.
@@ftumschk I agree and think it’s both, e.g, insisting having hard copies of all the documents instead of the screen so we have to waste time whilst he finds the correct page in his bundle. He knows what he’s doing.
Don't be fooled by his 'Clark Kent' act.
speaks of guilt doesnt it
a P45 on his desk on Monday ! how can we still be paying his mortgage ? this slimy weasel should be in jail
Mr Beer KC had him cold. He has limited simpathy for the unprofessional and cruel post office legal team.
You would have thought they’d be a bit more prepared to face the man who wrote the book on public inquiries.
Misconduct in public office may apply. Not a good one for the CV.
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snail would be more appropriate
He will prosber and never see the inside of a jail call unless he visit his client in jail.none of these scumbags will be punished.british justice is not impartial unless your rich.
Fail to pay your electricity bill and the electricity company will arrest your wages sell your t v then make you do community service .these best lawyers will escape justice and land a cushy job when this is all over
Seema Misra was wrongly jailed for 15 months when she was pregnant. Will Rodric get anywhere near that long?
He should be removed from the register and disbarred
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Um, if we could get non-motorist jurors to sit on a jury when a motorist is being tried for manslaughter, or higher, we would get a greater conviction rate. Same could be said for high profile cases like this one. First, try to convince the Bar Standards Board that action is both warranted and in the public interest. Then observe the fall of shot.
surely this is on the cards by now??????
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Sorry, but your comment makes little sense.
What are you trying to say?
@@pippipster6767 Sorry you don't follow the observation.
Watching this man over 2 days squirm and lie to the inquiry lawyers faces has been incredibly infuriating. It becomes ever clearer how this conspiracy could take place when we see the parade of odious characters that were involved behind the scenes.
And have amnesia
Wherever there is money to be had, you will find odious characters. See exhibit A in this clip.
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Yes against this group of morally bankrupt highly paid narcissists, the SPMs never stood a chance did they.....goes back to Fujitsu telling each SPM they were the ONLY one reporting issues......
The horrid fact is he is still practicing!!!!!!!.
Blatant lies and yet he we are shame on the legal law.
Calling him a liar from the start was a great move. He was flummoxed for the rest of the questioning
Squirming little weasel comes to mind.
Yes. Incompetent also comes to mind. Knobhead and dickhead are close behind!!
This man is unbelievably/ironically/sarcastically even, still employed by PO as the Head of Resolution and Brand!! in charge of responding to SPM requests for Appeals and Compensation. Everyone has just witnessed exactly why the Compensation Scheme has been delayed for so long. He needs to go. Now.
Gone within two weeks I would think. What's left of the PO don't need to give the public a reason but he needs to go.
This man is exactly why the SPMs are struggling to get their rightful compensation! Despicable!
Mass amnesia among the post office management and solicitors?
Short term memory must be a condition of employment.
Well said. I like the phrase "mass amnesia".
Bring on the private prosecutions. I am sure the good people of this country will easily fund it. We have to bring these repulsive reptiles to justice
Crowdfunding will be no problem at all!
Yes this is public knowledge and this will affect us all if nothing is done !
I'm happy to chip in to crowdfunding. I suspect a great many other people would chip in also - these people need to be taken before the courts on criminal charges.
@@peterthomas5792+Me happy to contribute
Stutter stutter, stammer stammer. Not how a legal professional would normally act. Slightly lost for words? Full panic mode in reality.
In no way was this a heated exchange, but unbelievable to watch...the appalling arrogance and attitude of this man.
What a clown!
I watched this guy all day and am amazed that someone with such an important position can suffer almost total amnesia............shocking performance!
I mean, or he could just be lying through his teeth...
'I don't recall' was said well over 50 times in his two days. How can he be a good lawyer with such a kak memory?
I've met people with dementia with better memories !
Just part of the legal game. Kerching!
Being accused of lying fairly woke him up 😅😅😅 and, talk about squirming in your seat!!!
Looks like he's got tapeworm...fingers crossed
Roderick just own up man, its pathetic to see you continue to lie.
His name is spelled Roderic ...but maybe he is lying about that !
@@thevinylrecordreview "Welease Wodewic!" Or rather"Impwison Woderwic!" (Life of Brian reference.)
@@MrDavil43 if they welase Roderic...it would be the wrong guy!...my mistake his name is actually spelled Rodric ...so the call from the pythonesque 😂crowd should be 'welase Wodric!'
Thats somebody who definitely wasnt sitting comfortably.
knowledge of guilt makes pants itchy.
He's panicking to the point where he was unable to locate, without prompting, the document to which he was referred.
Beautiful, wasn't it.
That's because he's shat himself!!
Surely this person must go to jail??
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These people need to be charged
There's no way that important, wealthy people like these would ever end up in prison. That's now how our country works.
Yes
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@@petemc5070 The slippery silks who represent them would show just how they can justify the thousands of pounds a day that such representation would cost.
What an utterly appalling witness - how could he possibly be in charge of any legal matters, let alone prosecution issues.
to be fair i think he is playing dumb, and been obstructive wanting to use the hard copy slows proceedings, and interrupts flow. i think this is deliberate. in no way is this guy in the league of jason beer or Sam stein, but he isnt a total fool, more of a total twat than a total fool
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@@jukeseyable Well said. I have learnt to have the same contempt for legal people as they do for us.
@@gwyneth7812 pls do not tar all with the same brush , some legal folks are the best of us, in my time ive been heavily involved in UK protest, my criminal record in its entireity is related to this. IVe meat some amazinbg people who are barristers, and I can attest to the quality of Hodge Jones and Allen whom are involved with this enquiry personally. I'd stand jason, sma stein , henry and the other enquiry team a drink any time. a dear friend of mine, was a researcher for the most recient hilsborough enquiry, also a wounderfull person.
@@jukeseyable It is nice to get your comment. I see those you mention have great reviews. Good for them.
My sisters and i were stitched up in our fathers will by our fathers long term solicitor of 40 years. It is hard for us to imagine how this man could have done all the things he did. His fellow executor got RPC (negligence) solicitors onto us to try and frighten us off. They seem to be nothing but corporate bully bodyguards. Other barristers i approached for advise spoke to us arrogantly and with contempt. I came to the conclusion that they would ask for the name of those involved on the pretence of 'conflict of interest' check, but then would call them up and ultimately decide how to handle me. Really, i called up the chambers and even the clerks were rude in their manner. I may sound paranoid to you but the solicitor who defrauded us has a cousin who is a judge and so probably has big F..r..ee..m...a....s......ry connections. Staff in their probate registry seem to protect this solicitor, as well helping cover up for him in non compliance with a court order. That is my experience of the legal world sadly.
Truly appalling, how did he even pass his exams? Deary me.
Who said he did pass exams.
You can do anything on a computer sitting on your wanking chariot these days
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He knew it was wrong and did nothing, still no empathy or shame.....Prison might sort them out..
More like prisoners will sort them out.
But lets face it, they wont see the inside of a common prison cell.
Iam sure theres a more cushty place for certain people!
so evil how do they sleep
Sociopaths find it easy.
A deeply unsatisfactory witness, and if this is his best effort a venal and incompetent lawyer.
He is still employed by this mob.incedible
Not really when there are no morals or integrity involved..... Anywhere
They have to keep them on to reward loyalty to the cult above everything.
He didn't like being told he's a liar very well , the squirming little creep that he is, This men was quite happy to send innocent people to jail on evidence he knew was faulty. He needs to be held account for his actions in a court of law.
I think you mean liar, a lyre is a musical instrument!
@@susankeating8678 Dyslexia can take you to some comic places some times using spell chequer. PS I thought it was only me who looked at the comment section.
@@russellnixon9981 Or even spell checker 🤣 Sorry Russell, just teasing. I spend as much time reading the comments as I do watching the videos!
Paid well, just following orders, guv’. Vennells, the false vicar, needs putting behind bars, followed by many others. A terrible miscarriage of justice in our times.
The people in charge of Royal Mail concerning this miss carriages of justice should be sent to prison for ruining so many lives. Shame on them.
No wonder their train was robbed.
Is there a prison for weasels?
I didn't call anyone a weasel. I just asked the question.
Can I suggest that your filing system is not fit for purpose? So why did you waste the inquires time by demanding everything was created and referenced in hard copy?
No the system is fine.
That’s a good one ! But your prison are all full 😂!
... theres certainly a college - ETON !!!
"Mr Williams, who is currently head of legal in the Post Office’s dispute resolution and brand team ..." So this role now requires the Post Office to break the law not follow it.
"i didn't try to delay"
Procedes to delay
He was filling his breeches.....
Jail.
In this inquiry it was stated by Post office heirachy that the Sub Postmasters should have their pensions taken to pay their shortfalls, may I suggest that these post office people on huge salaries should have their pensions taken to pay towards the compensations.
Another sh*t hits the fan! The PO executive was full of them!
I've noticed that a load of these who are at the top have a selective amnesia and lack of accountability. They knew what was happening and did nothing but persecute the people. But now they are making out as if they did nothing wrong . They all need to get charged for what they did to the people. Some killed themselves some passed away with the knowledge that they were treated as thieves. This is all shocking.
If a person "refuses" to remember, that is to say, " admit" something, then they must accept that any reasonable interpretation based on documentation is likely to be the truth.
"I didn't say it was JUST noise!" he says as he bobs and weaves like he is trying to evade an angry a bee.
Also, the series of faces he makes when told he is probably lying. Was that a triple take or a quadruple take?
Reminds me of all politicians when caught out. He was fuming!
I thought lawyers had an overriding obligation to the bar and the courts to see that justice is done, not that their clients win a case which is dubious. I can only presume that Rodric Williams is not a lawyer if he's not aware of that. A lawyer who actively seeks to prevent the CCRC reviewing a potential miscarriage of justice should be expelled from the bar.
On the contrary, it's my understanding that their aim is always to twist the law in favour of whoever is paying them.
Even if they were employed by the worst murderer or sex offender, they'd pull every trick in the book to get them acquitted on a technicality, provided they're rich enough to pay the bill.
The greatest lesson that takes some of us many years to learn, is that not everyone sees the world in the same way and there are some genuinely horrendous people out there....
Yes, and most of them seem to work for the PO!!
Lock him up
Simply put, stright to the point, agreed . just like everyone involved with this , go to jail, do not pass go.
I've never seen a man more uncomfortable shuffling about in his seat !! He's obviously lying!! Do these people have any conscious ?????????
I mean, we need to let the facts play out, but he doesn't behave like a person who is innocent or committed to telling the truth.
Waste of taxpayers money as usual ! No one will be prosecuted. The rotters will get a knuckle rap and they will say" we've made mistakes and could have been more diligent Moving on we shall take more care " Always the same an a poor apology until the next debacle ! Disgraceful .
"Let's move on shall we?" Clarion call of the guilty.
"Lessons will be learned". "Let's draw a line under it".
Prison is the only answer
They DID lie. They will STILL lie!
1 horrible human being
Mass amnesia seam to be prevalent in PO executive 😮
The advertisement for this persons job probably said integrity and honesty is not a requirement.
If they owned up I'd still have no sympathy but the fact they're still lying under oath they should have any sentence doubled
Don't know why he had to have paper copies rather than read the screen. Frequently had to be told the ref. number 2 or 3 times. Seems to have problems understanding what words mean - he has his own definition at odds with a standard dictionary.
Very unconvincing witness. I'm sure he want to keep his job at the PO because based on his answers here it is doubtful any one else will employ him.
It was just a delaying tactic, to give him time to try and formulate a response and when he couldn’t think of a plausible one he just said “I don’t recall”.
He was like a drowning man. He even reached for a sweet and put it in his mouth then tried to speak. His only hope is to turn kings evidence against Vennells
How is this example of pond-life still being employed? It's obvious the Post Office should be closed down, permanently. Nick Read should go now.
Hang on! I am a naturalist, and would hate to think that this could take up residence in a pond! All the other real pond inhabitants would exit the water post haste in that event!
I suggest you're lying! Yes! Finally someone says it out loud.
A worm squirming on a hook
Caught in the headlights seems to be a good analogy!
What a spineless weasel! Oh and he says he sent it from a Blackberry, but the email says “Sent from my Windows Phone”. He’s not even truthful about the phone he was using.
It’s all about the detail - well spotted!!
Sent from my iPhone
Just lying and look at the body language involved in lying !!!
This is a view of the inner workings of much of the corporate world. Many of these executives lost their moral compass in the mire of tribal group think. Senior people unfit for purpose.
Bottom line is this : the Post Office management lied and obstruted, rather than admit it was wrong and People went to jail..😢
They really are vile they lie they see honest hard working people falsley accused even put in prison where in fact its them that should be in prison the government should be doing more to support these poor innocent post office workers but were talking about the tories nothing gets done absolutely despicable.
They're happy to trash peoples lives whilst no one is looking. 😡
Wouldn’t have him in charge of a paper bag..is he qualified…someone check please!
Was hoping that Rod would give us some answers. He patently didn’t. Fascinating to see them all squirm and wriggle. Would have felt quite sorry were it not for the human misery they inflicted on others. Looking forward to Susan on Tuesday. That should be entertaining x
This body language speaks volumes of guilt. Speed it he video to double speed and watch again.
In my life I have been a soldier and a bar doorman, So I have gone from someone prepared to lay down my life, for my community, to someone who has seen, those communities humans, at their worst, I stopped door work because I was getting PTSD, These hearings and the obvious lying, bring me now to tears,
NEWSFLASH - Lawyer Lies On Behalf Of Disreputable Client. Public Outraged.
Unbelievable he was like a crack addict going through cold Turkey all because of a few simple questions
Blinking like a strobe! What a Pants On Fire 🤣🤣🤣
Wow what a squirmer, never seen a more uncomfortable witness, and a legal type to boot...
His whole family evidence was painful to watch. Mr beers was very patient and kept is facial expressions to a minimum.x
Beer; there's just one of him. It's not difficult to read from the screen.
They all should go to jail so far 😂
Prison
Unbelievably outrageous and egregious methinks 😮
In what reality is that a 'heated exchange'?
That’s a heavy line near the beginning “I suggest you are lying.” Rodric had no response.
Reminds me of a typical keyboard warrior-real tough and cynical until he meets face to face - then he falls apart.
good morning Ms Vennells can you state your full name for the record please ? i cant recall
😂 “Sorry I’m not sure what you mean by ‘name’. Could you break that down a bit further? I wasn’t involved in providing names. That was the criminal law team”.
He should be fired from his current job, if his memory is so bad.
Seems to me that this litigator in this whole episode has been the coach driver taking everyone to every destination. He surely can't be allowed to continue in his mediation role?
What’s happens when the criminal fraternity end up in high places . High flyers low lighters
"Sir, is your name Rodric Williams?"..."sorry can't recall..."
"Sorry, can you repeat the question, is there a tab reference for that?"
what a weasle, he's getting caught out, bet his backside is nipping up somewhat.
Start jailing these liars
Well said Mr Henry!!
the lying is getting worse by the day , why is the post office not closed down and these people brought to justice
He's pathetic!
Nothing better than watching a lawyer squirm - whilst everyone knows the truth...
I Don’t Recall!
This just shows the U/K public that the senior management of the Post Office is like a pit of snakes. Not to be trusted, are these people going to be criminal prosecuted in compliance with this cover up. This includes Ed Davey, what a bright spark he is?
Absolutely. A real nest of vipers.
Rodders can’t string two words together! What a 🔔 end !!
When a more competent lawyer sits on the face of another. The interviewer knows exactly what cynicism that was in play.
They get away with it even the bar judges are in the top ruling crust and they could even get a bonus for 25 years of delay.
This guy makes Prince Andrew look convincing.
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Body language speaks volumes about truth and lying
I actually cannot believe this vile person is STILL employed within the PO 🤦🏼♀️ they all should be arrested when coming off the stand after giving evidence to the inquiry and brought to court, tagged and be made to suffer even a glimpse of what those subpostmasters/mistresses were forced to endure! They were happy to label them theives and cart them off to jail while they sat back scratching their asses while making more money than we will ever see 😡
All these sub postmasters were scrutinized to the nth degree before being given the job. Apparently those in executive positions, not so much. What is the imprisonment sentence for perjury, if there has been any?
If the Post Office legals are found to have been complicit in this whole devastating travesty, they should ALL lose their licence to practice permanently in the UK. Then should all face multiple charges themselves.