also guardians had a reason to play old music. it was part of quill’s story and character. there’s no explanation as to why suicide squad would have old music or even so much of it.
Yeah it is explicitly stated in Guardians that Quill always listens to same music as a tribute and way to remember his mom. So it makes sense that he, and by extension the audience, would hear it everywhere. I have no idea why Suicide squad had that sound track other then old pop songs in movies are popular now.
The entire time of Suicide Squad, I was waiting for them to actually be bad guys. They never were. They did nothing bad, except constantly say how bad they are.
Don't forget that the characters in GotG are easily likeable. The atmosphere around them were fun. While in Suicide Squad, everyone was trying to be edgy.
Deadshot, Harley Quinn, Katana, and Killer Croc are characters who you can feel sorry for if you show their back stories. They really could have done some really cool redemption arcs with that. I mean come on.
thats kind of why i think theyll do the fantastic four fairly decent. like the stretch super power in a super dark universe like theyve tried is too bizarre, but MCU might be able to pull that off
CoolTrainer: VaultBoy-39 tbf Gotg’s soundtrack was based on a mixtape Peter Quill brought from Earth, which was meant to be his mum’s favourite songs, which explains the cohesion.
@@PoppyCorn144 Gunn also filmed the scenes to match the feel and flow of the songs selected. The music is part of the story as much as the cinematics, and was deliberately chosen to evoke a specific reaction from the viewers. In SS, it seems like they shot the scene, then tried to find a song that kind of fit. It feels forced.
@@CrimsonRhalllic it was a forced selection of top 40 hits that had been played a billion times before. They were trying to be like Guardians but missing the point by a mile and they certainly wouldn't have taken a chance with a song that someone might not have heard before.
god damn underrated comment. i love both dc and marvel, it’s just that everyone knows that the dc characters are poorly portrayed in the movies and their movies try to hard to copy the mcu and even fail at that because it’s all rushed.
Me and my friends watched Endgame in the cinemas, and I remember the scene where Steve calls for Mjolnir offscreen as Thor gets beaten to the ground by nutsack face, and there were audible gasps and "oh my god"s across the theater. It was tense, everyone was excited, and when it was finally shown that Steve wielded the hammer the theater erupted to screams. Some people even stood up and pumped their fists in the air. I remember that I nearly got choked up and had tears welling up in my eyes from excitement and happiness, and we left the cinema with my throat dry from screaming lmfao. On the other hand, I watched the Justice League (hell even BvS) and there weren't really any scenes that made me as excited as that. There were no payoffs, no satisfying subplots that was as impactful as that. It's honestly so disappointing, I really liked Man of Steel and Wonder Woman. The potential for a universe as/more fleshed out as/than the MCU was crumpled up to dust just because they felt like they need to one-up Marvel.
Seeing this video made me realize I've forgotten every character of Suicide squad that is not Margot Robbie. I was actually surprised that Will Smith was in the movie, and I watched it last year
Will Smith was actually pretty good too, they just didn’t really do too much for the character except that he loves his daughter and he never misses. Cap. Boomerang actor was awesome but they didn’t let him do anything except be drunk.
lmaoo same i was like "oh that guy was will smith?", also the fact that the movie is so dark (literally dark) just made me forget every character except harley quinn who's the only colorful character there
@@bradecurrencyfarman2164 they had pop songs for each character sure, but not as blatant as SS. The inferno guy literally had a song about being on fire, and Harley Quinn had a song about being a crazy b**ch. Next step is a signature move set and they may as well be WWE Wrestlers.
@@RatelHBadger yeah the difference is the old pop song selection in guardians is more tasteful and less blatant and adds to the feeling of the movie rather than obviously just being music outside the movies world
I'd say it's because the "ragtag group of misfit unlikely heroes" in Guardians found themselves in their predicament through the natural events of the film. It would have been more jarring had Nova Prime had put the Guardians together deliberately with the mission of the five of them opposing Ronan and the Kree empire. The Suicide Squad should have been formed for government black op assignments because of plausible deniability because they're criminals and psychos. There's nothing otherwise remarkable about them that justifies their existence because they're supposed to somehow stop someone like Superman. Especially egregious because the military escorts them to their mission point the whole way, so they can "do their thing". Which is...what?
@@Mercilessonion Then there's also the song choices themselves. A lot of them play thematically into where the story is going at that moment. There's a reason why Fleetwood Mac's 'The Chain' is played twice in the sequel. And it has to do with the theme of family.
I think the x-men movies just assumed that pretty much everyone watching an x-men movie already has a basic knowledge of x-men going in. I like that level of trust in the audience. But same. That line is golden.
I mean, that's always been one of the core aspects of the X-men. "Mutant" was basically a blanket handwavium term for the comic writers to not have to explain complicated backstories for large groups of characters. How can Scott shoot beams from his eyes? He's a mutant. How can Kurt teleport? He's a mutant. How can Jean make telekinetic barriers? Mutant. Also, some nonsense with a Phoenix, but we'll get to that later. And no, I'm not brushing aside the fact that the OTHER core aspect of the X-men is that "Mutant" is also a blanket allegory for whatever persecuted minorities the writers wanted to write about.
That's definitely another element to look at. While Guardians had moments of darkness or dimly lit areas, it was offset by many others of light and warmth to highlight the emotions in the scenes and provide levity as needed to let the audience breathe, so to speak. Suicide Squad is almost perpetually dark after some initial setup scenes and never really gives you a chance to just live with the characters and world outside of the one specific story thread you are supposed to follow.
That’s why Wonder Woman, Aquaman, and Shazam worked. They had some color and you could see what was going on. They had better writing. They had just better everything. Zack Snyder also had virtually nothing to do with all 3 of them.
@@gapebonganingwanaamotho2445 Bro that ain't nothing, in One Piece, the arc with the mermaids, the flashback lasts about 4-5 episodes. And I mean straight up flashback, none of those "present time then cut back to flashback and then present time again"
Marvel just gets to your heart giving you goosebumps and you never want it to end especially the character interactions (because of unique personalities) whereas D. C you just wait for the movie to actually start, but it never does.
The difference between GoTG and SS is in the two following lines... "What a bunch of A- holes" ـــ Nova corp commander describing the guardians. "They are the worst of the worst" ـــ Amanda walder describing the squad. GoTG knew exactly what it was; a fun, hilarious space comedy. And it didn't take itself too seriously.
The source material is different, the producers clearly went for a different direction and make it all fun and light-hearted, so their serious attitude came off wrong.
I swear this is like the Halo/Killzone debacle I where the media tried to have two properties compete against each other because they shared similarities yet were really nothing alike. Halo was a colorful space opera whilst Killzone was a gritty war movie.
DC movies are too dark literally like.. can they not shoot in lightless city night or something? there's tons of way to create beautiful looking night scene
@@AfyxSyahmi-kj3nx but at least it was enjoyable in Infinity War. And no, thrre were just Thanos and gamora flashbacks and were not 30% of the movie. Your comment is biased.
"The helicopter gets shot down and they start walking." That's the scene that explains it. Shot down by what, and why don't they care? That's the scene that encompasses the problems with that movie: terrible writing and editing.
Answer: The writers put them in a helicopter because they were so far away and then realized they needed them walking so they could talk to each other, so they shot the helicopter down. Action dictates the story rather than actions flowing naturally from the story.
Exactly. IIRC they never say who or what shoots down the chopper. And the fact that a helicopter falls from the sky loaded with ppl and they all walk out unscathed its completely ridiculous. That copter is barrel rolling down the street, flipping end over end. None of these "bad guys" is invulnerable or has powers like that. Yet they simply walk out of the copter like la dee da lets take long stroll and find some blob monsters. It is painful to watch. Entire thing was disappointing. I was super hyped for this movie after the trailers. Also because i am a huge Harley fan. And i did think Leto would do an ok job as the Joker. Trailers made it look like the Joker was heavily involved in the movie. Instead they cut all the Joker scenes. What a train wreck. And to think this dumpster fire actually won an oscar lol.
@@roboninja3194 Yeah any time there was a Joker scene (or Batman, his Deadshot scene was also cool), I was just like, "This is the movie I'd rather be watching." Then their secret rescue is...just Waller. Who then shoots everybody in the room. Huh? Even for her that was so out of character. And then their main villain is...just one of their team? And her deal is she's building...something?...to destroy mankind because they "worship machines." Or whatever. What a mess. Yet somehow I still can't wait for Birds of Prey.
What do you think they got shot down by? Maybe the soldiers Enchantress was making.... I mean, it kinda seems obvious. But other than that, I agree with you comment.
That's literally what they were. pretty much everyone involved in GOTG except gamora was a freshman to blockbuster development and while gamora wasn't new, she didn't let previous experience get to her head.
To make a long story short: basically GOTG had great character development, great casting, great scenes, great dialogues and great storytelling. Suicide Squad was lacking in all those aspects... especially storytelling and dialogues.
@@digitool5944 no, they had good actors but terrible for the role, Will Smith sucks at being a villan, his personality and carisma makes it hard for the audience to belive he is evil or sort of, plus he is so recognisable that you see him as himself not DeathShot or whatever. In fact the Squad Army Leader guy and DeathShot should swap their actors it would fit them better. Not to mention that intro with cut scenes that looked like trailers for a bunch of movies ughhh
Gamora is an alien who was trained to be a weapon since childhood. She has earned the right to be a badass fighter. What about Harley? She was a psychiatrist who went insane. Insanity does not grant physical prowess. Even the Joker in The dark night does not get into physical fights. Characters like Joker or Harley are not super-humans known for fighting techniques. That is not their specialty.
Harley is an acrobat turned psychiatrist turned insane violent criminal, she's by default more of a fighter than Joker, they're not mirrors of the same character archetype, she's more evil Robin than female Joker
I remember reading that the original script focused a lot more on Harley than on Deadshot - to the point I actually think she was intended to be the protagonist, at least during the screenwriting process. A lot of the talk about how the Joker had most of his scenes cut kind of supports this, but I feel there's a lot to support this in the film itself. Mostly when comparing her to the Enchantress (both being doctors who were turned into monsters by outside forces, and how Harley is actually the one to stand up to her and cut her heart out at the end). Point of bringing this up - there's the saying that you actually create a film 3 different times; once when you write it, once when you film it and once when you edit. Guardians clearly knew exactly what it was trying to be in all 3 stages. However, I have a strong suspicion that the writer for Suicide Squad was trying to tell one story, the director was trying to tell another, and the editor was trying to tell a completely different one. That's why this film feels like such a disjointed mess at times.
So totally agree. When I first heard about Suicide Squad, I was led to believe it was about Harley Quinn and that she was the protagonist. All it ended up as was a "women are dumb and deserve to be objectified" film. Harley may have been psychotic, but she was also extremely intelligent. It's a shame SS didn't show it.
that totally makes sense i heard that there was a lot of drama with the editing process, to the point where they had to switch to a new editing studio (the one that did the trailer) so i’m sure all that muddled the story beyond belief
This really makes sense with how sexualized she was (almost pornographic, and I know what bdsm looks like) and that the script copy Margot likely received that probably interested her to the character more. I was super disappointed In her arc
That makes sense. The marketing and hype was very problematic. SS was suppose to be about a bad guy team, and that would be an amazing movie. You really didn't get to see how or why they were bad. None of them were ever really shown that way, except for Harley. What we got from this movie felt more like 3 movies squished into one. There were too many plotlines that didn't get enough exposure. I also had a hard time wanting to watch this movie when I heard about the brutal training and messed up things that went on behind the scenes. One more thing, I was confused and upset about the mission, was to break out Waller. I rewatch this movie ever once in a while, and I just don't get it. All that build up just to break an official free instead of going to fight the monster to save the city?
They were trying to force the strange camaraderie that forms on Marvel sets. That natural camaraderie comes out in the scenes being played in Marvel films.
@@stinkur That's your opinion. Suicide Squad (the first one) was absolutely trash to the point I wanted to just go back home during watching it in the Cinema. They were trying way, way too hard to be edgy to the point it fell so fucking flat and pathetic. The Suicide Squad was much better, but I still liked Guardians of the Galaxy 1 better. And GotG 2 was actually pretty good (for me). I especially love the scene where Starlord got all that flashbacks and sad when Yondu died. My Fav Between Those 4 : 1. Guardians of the Galaxy 2. Guardians of the Galaxy 2 3. The Suicide Squad 4. Suicide Squad (I agree with the title. The movie should commit suicide.)
@@stinkur second suice squad was decent but still they need to work a LOOOOT more and A LOOOOOT HARDER to touch a marvel quality in the movies on the other hand DC animated movies are way way better then marvel :D Marvel has this cool thing they have all EMOTIONS in film someone already explain that during comic con that marvel is like those old school movies or something where you see all ..drama comedy etc etc DC doesn't have that and if they try for comedy it's FORCED they go for drama??? it's FAKE you don't believe it when IRON MAN died at the end of ENDGAME people were crying Helll iwas crying during first avenger when steve was going to crash plane into the ice and he was talking to agent carter and this thing you can't find in any DC movie
just wanted to say that this _alone_ is what made me watch guardians of the galaxy, and holy HELL am i glad i did. that was one beautiful, beautiful ride and i enjoyed every second of it.
@@blue-guymaster5121 not really they're still the weakest marvel movies not including no way home, I love guardians but not the first two Spiderman's. I wouldn't recommend it just based off liking guardians.
one glaring difference that jumps out watching this is how dark SS looks in comparison to the GOTG scenes. DC movies in general are always done in the dark making it hard to see action and giving it a brooding feel
Eric Callahan that's because they think that all of their movies should be set to the tone of Batman. Batman was dark and it was successful. So, to them, they means only dark movies are successful. Even if it Superman, whose movies are supposed to be bright and hopeful, become dark and moody. The Guardians brought light to some dark places.
@@MrDufDaddy watch Shazam. They're learning. They still like to use dingy filters though, but w Shazam it just makes the brightness stand out more when it shows
I think it's just DC's inability to get the best out of the things they have. Just watch daredevil. It has a dark tone and most of its fight scenes take place in the dark. And yet it's a masterpiece. Probably better than 80% of mcu movies. If dc did it properly they could be good even in dark but they just fucked up a lot in the start
You kinda glazed over another big difference in the movies. The soundtrack. The music in Guardians was amazing, all totally enjoyable, and there were some deep cuts in it. The Soundtrack for SS was "lets jam as many of the most popular 60's and 70's songs into this thing as possible, and have a cover of Bohemian Rhapsody in it." But the biggest, and best difference to the soundtracks are in their meanings. In SS it is just there to sell records. In GotG we learn that Quill and his mother listened to these songs together, so there is an emotional resonance to them that helps them to be more than just songs. They are a special connection for the characters, and a way for the audience to connect to the characters. And GotG will always have something that not other movie, anywhere, will ever have...dancing Baby Groot.
SS was very Bohemian Rhapsody-ish from start to finish. That's the kind of song that pairs with a shitty movie and the audience knows it. GotG aimed to be sophisticated, artful, meaningful. It's a story, not just an encounter. The artistic intentions were totally different. One was doomed to fail.
SS the music fit only on a shallow, superficial level. In Guardians, it was woven into the story. The best example (from Guardians 2) was the use of 'The Chain' during the 'oh the Guardians are fucked wait oh no they aren't' scene. It gave me chills.
Also it served as a juxtoposition between the audience and Quill, deepening his character. The 70s-80s are all he knows. What was currently enjoyable for him was nostalgic for everyone else and that helped guide the humor in Quills pop culture references.
Don't forget the music in GotG is diegetic. What we hear, the characters also hear. It makes it more meaningful for the characters and the audience in addition to the emotional connection to Peter's mom.
I realised something after reading the comments Last fights of most DC movies Suicide squad - night Batman v Superman - night Wonder woman - night Shazam - night WW2 - night Batman 1and 2 - night Justice league - night Is it something that happened by a coincidence or do they see to it that the fights take place only at night / dark
"It'S BeCauSe DC iS mOrE SeRiOuS aNd GrIm". It's Snyderism, where no one really knows how to insert actually dark, serious motives in superhero movie so they make everything amorphous in the shadow, and then they add ton of dark filters. Or sepia. There must be sepia.
It made me think on Marvel instead... Iron Man 1 - night Iron Man 2 - night Iron Man 3 - night Captain America 1 - day Captain America 2 - day Captain America 3 - day Incredible Hulk - night Thor 1 - day Thor 2 - day Thor 3 - day Avengers 1 - day Avengers: Age of Ultron - day Avengers: Infinity War - day Avengers: Endgame - day to evening. Black Panther - day to evening. Dr. Strange - night Guardians of The Galaxy vol1 - day Guardians of The Galaxy vol2 - day Spiderman: Homecoming - night Spiderman: Far From Home - day Ant-Man 1 - night Ant-Man 2 - day Those I haven't mentioned, I haven't seen them yet.
It's purely a coincidence. Shazam, Suicide Squad and Wonder woman weren't trying to follow the usual Snyder formula, Shazam even felt like the stereotypical MCU movie, so having a night time fight has nothing to do with the tone of the movies. Btw Aquaman final fight was at daytime.
@@austinhernandez2716 Yes, only outta respect to the guy that i got shit faced with at house party. That's right people I got wrecked with Captain America in H.S.
@@khaki_man People are allowed to like what they want. For me, it had a lot of personality that suicide squad was lacking. Harley felt like more of her own character in this movie
Let’s be straight here, the reason DC movies always fail to deliver compared to marvel is because of their character focus. DC has always, comics and movies both, focused on characters abilities/weaknesses and how they interact which gives it a cold and analytical feel, Marvel focuses on characters humanity, who they are and how that forms their force of will to overcome odds. In the marvel universe it’s a characters force of will, their desire to succeed, that determines how powerful they are. They can have their ass handed to them by the underlings, find inspiration, and go back later and wipe the floor with the boss with no new powers, abilities, or training.
Bro just compare first 8 movies of dceu and MCU. It takes time to know what is good. How many movies were good out of those 8 films? I guess only 2, iron Man and the avengers, others sucked ass. DC has WW and Aquaman and mos is better than any of the remaining six movies. So your ' DC movies always fail to deliver' is absolute shit. Also DC movies are not just dceu unlike MCU.
@@GauravYadav-bf7qj to be honest.... Nobody knows who the hell is thor Or ironman....... Cap may be familiar..... They just need the time to shine... While WW AQ Supes are way well known characters all around the world....... The first 8 did very well in introducing themselves.... That's the aim so that the succesion one will be successful... That's what happened.... Even the succesion movies revived the box office of the previous movies to 1 billion
@@esthaksanjay.a2843 well then wait for DC. You can't change the fact that MCU's first phase mostly sucked. I am just telling you that it's still early to judge dceu
Guardians just is better writing. You get to know the characters as the story progresses. Not all flashbacks from the get go, some is just talking making the normal dialogues more interesting aswell. You keep the audience interested cause of the mistery. Explaining every single character before the story starts is one major thing hobby writers do wrong when writing a story, how does a big company like dc get that wrong??? Guardians motives are logical unlike suicide squad. Why would a bunch of baddies cry about how wrong the world treats them? They have been in prison for ages, go watch a documentary about prison life and make their behaviour more realistic. They also aren't just gonna try to be the good guy the first time they get the chance. There is no real reason why they work together and why their behaviour changes. Guardians however had a very good reason why they worked together and did what they did: "Why do you want to save the universe?" "Cause I live in it."
meh.... the Guardians movies had a better PLOT but the script writing was AWFUL. Draxx's character and some of the tasteless "comedy" ruined the movies for me. I dont even consider them part of the official MCU. (refused to buy their movies and I own ALL of the other ones except Captain Marvel)
In Suicide Squad there is only one character with development, I feel like... And that's the lead soldier, whose name I always forget. He at least seems to get disillusioned over the course of the movie
@@FraserSouris Fuck no! They put merchandising and appealing to teenagers first. Come back to me when you're rewatched B:TAS and the animated Suicide Squad movie to see the difference.
@@FraserSouris Not really. Suicide squad concentrated on the action first. There were many good ideas in SS but there was no real arc to the characters as a group.
I feel you on some points I looooove the dc cartoons !!!! All of them but I hate the movies if they just follow the cartoons and use the writers from the toons they might have something. The marvel cartoons however are really bad but their movies all have been awesome except capt. marvel and daredevil
@Elaura Andrist i am a huge fan of DC comics - i pay more attention to batman stuff tho... also i do love marvel, but their movies are way better than the comics : ie, Spiderman, Iron man - i guess the hulk ones werent too bad tho 😁
@Elaura Andrist and let ME dumb it down for you. the only thing wrong with DC is that they cannot adapt their characters well in life action movies but everything else from their Comics to their animation and their tv shows have exceeded Marvel📍 However, marvel stepped their game up with their tv shows, titans had so much potential but it was meh. My fav titian is raven and i was appalled by what they did to her
I love DC characters but it’s PAINFUL how they’ll ruin those characters with bad movies like Suicide Squad. The Christopher Nolan Batman trilogy was so good (even though I didn’t care for the dark knight rises aka the third movie), so why can’t any other good directors or producers or writers come up with some super interesting DC stuff? Or at least some fun movies that don’t bore you to death.
Oh God! I'm sure she's lovely: kind to animals and loved by her mum. But Cara Delevingne (plays Enchantress) puts my teeth on edge in literally EVERYTHING she is in. Honestly I am irrationally irritated by every appearance.
Not even a copy. Completely different. Try connecting the two without using tropes nearly every "Team Movie" has. And both Marvel and DC copy off of each other, but this isn't the case with Guardians and Squad.
I never realized all the similarities between Suicide Squad and GOTG. Maybe because I saw SS once and Guardians like 5 times. Shazam is my favorite DCEU movie.
I find these comparison videos so fascinating. For the longest time, I was so confused as to why the DCEU didn't just copy Marvel to at least have a moderately successful cinematic franchise. I'm just now realizing that that's exactly what they were trying to do, but just in the most surface-level way possible. It's actually kind of amazing and quite hilarious.
They keep saying how hard it is to introduce so many characters in a single film. Has no one heard of Seven Samurai?!! Hell Lord of the Rings has over a dozen.
Honestly, whenever someone talks about Suicide Squad, I mention the animated version, which was leagues better. Harley cheats with Deadshot which culminates in Deadshot VS Joker, which is already a better concept for Harley.
Suicide Squad was clearly written for the screen by a fifteen year old boy who hasn’t really got to grips with anything but himself. It revolves around a love of blowing stuff up, shooting stuff up and Margot Robbie’s shorts. There’s no substance to the film, we don’t care if they all survive, we are not drawn to the team, they are all one dimensional, throw away characters. When you put that up against GotG it is apparent that the GotG team have quirks and flaws that are endearing, they have depth and you can see how they are fighting against the odds, you want them to win. Suicide Squad is another example of a great concept / story being wasted, give it another fifteen or twenty years and hope it gets revisited by a better screen writer with less of an obsession with guns and girls. It’ll be OK, someone will do it justice.
Gavin Johnson Margo actually chose that outfit herself. The costume she wears is basically from a photo of some female punk rock star in a shirt and undies. They also did the same with Joker, revolving his design around David Bowe
Came down here to say exactly this. The original movie was so terrible, literally the only thing people can point to as the movie's redeeming scenes, are the scenes they shoe-horned in at zero hour to try to save it.
People complained about BvS being so dark so they did massive reshoots to try to lighten it making it more like Marvel. This created a patchwork movie that had no real direction.
Was it a reshot scene? because they talk about things that already happen. Like how they felt trapped because they explosives in thier head. By that scene they didnt have explosives in their head.
We didn't actually get the director's film. WBs hired a music video company to edit the film. There's no telling what was left out. For instance, we know The Joker had a much bigger part to play in the overall storyline.
Guardians was a fun film filled with interesting likeable characters. Suicide Squad was a boring, darkly filmed mess with Margot Robbie as the only bright part
Having just watched Suicide Squad: Hell to Pay, one of the problems with Suicide Squad is immediately obvious: they don't really seem like they're being forced to fight. A proper Suicide Squad are constantly trying to escape and, if they think it's impossible, cause as much unnecessary death and destruction as possible. They hate each other, but they hate Waller more. They don't do good because a safe world benefits them, they do it because they'll die otherwise. The DCEU movie was really just a bunch of reluctant heroes rather than rat bastard villains. Also, I find it hilarious that her selling point for making the Squad was to stop a rogue Superman and yet she included Harley Quinn, Captain Boomerang, Slipknot and Deadshot. Arguably, Killer Croc barely factors.
Ironically, Enchantress would be the only one who would have a chance against Superman because he’s vulnerable to magic. I like Harley, but she wouldn’t stand a chance against a Superman level entity or an evil Superman. Suicide Squad never was intended for someone like Superman, they’re just a superpowered Black Ops team that they send against terrorists or extraction missions where the government can’t have the military involved.
@@alexman378 I've said that to my friends so many times! I'm genuinely curious how she sold the idea to her superiors. "So, Superman, right? Super strong, super fast, heat vision, flight, nigh invulnerability and ice breath; he's on our side for now, but what if he goes rogue? Who could stop him? Well, let me introduce you to Harleen Quinzel, an unhinged psychiatrist with a baseball bat..."
Both Guardians movies are my favorite movies of ALL time. It's such a rollercoaster of crying and laughter. Also EXCELLENT and easily likeable characters. I could write an essay about how GOOD GotG is, but I'm gonna leave it short like this xD
The aggravating thing is that The Dirty Dozen 1967 did the whole “criminals given a chance on a suicide mission” thing with little to no special effects so much better than Suicide Squad with modern CGI.
@@orangeapples That would have been a different movie then tho... My point here is that you can't compare movies for it's theme and use CGI as argument of one being better than the other. CGI isn't something bad or evil that downgrades a movie, SS is just a bad movie regardless of the CGI.
@@Aseruxx CGI (autside of a full CGI movie) should not be "required" to make a good movie. It is no substitute for a good plot, storytelling, acting and directing. It can enhance a movie tremendously and help with the immersion, but it cannot automatically make a bad movie good. Unless amazing CGI is all you care and want from it, like James Camerons Avatar. Meh story, but with amazing visuals that drew people to the cinema in droves. Suicide Squad does not have that same amount of CGI awesomeness to make up for mediocre storytelling and directing.
@@neosildrake I'm not saying that CGI is required to make a good movie, what i'm saying is that CGI is required to make certain kind of movies regardless of the quality. Just compare LOTRs to The Hobbit, the later one is filled with tons of CGI and LOTRs tries to avoid using CGI as much as possible and LOTRs is indeed a lot better than The Hobbit. But my point here is that if you would swap the productions of The Hobbit and LOTRs and have LOTRs be produced with mainly CGI and The Hobbit without, you would get almost the same results and LOTRs would still be the better movie. Also imagine LOTRs without any CGI at all, because even tho they tried to avoid using it as much as possible, there is still CGI in the movie.
Ultimately the difference between the DCEU and the MCU will always be the people who are behind it... MCU people are comic book people and know their characters and the source material extremely well, so they know how to capture the essence of the characters in each movie. MCU people are focused on making a good Marvel movie/ comic book movie for the fans... not as much for the masses (which is why I think they have been so widely liked by everyone). The DCEU people are just movie producers and continue to try and focus on making a movie with comic book characters in it, but continue to fail at understanding the source material (and characters) or try to make a good comic book movie. Zach Snyder even responded to much of the criticism against him by saying things like "I guess people don't want their comic book heroes deconstructed" and other idiotic statements like that. Overall, the DCEU casting has been pretty good, but they continue to portray the characters or use the characters in a way that seems counter-intuitive or at least just a bit "off" of how most people expect them to act. The constant scowl on Superman's face is one great example... he is not a dark and brooding character, he is a boy scout. He doesn't have to be super cheesy or anything to come off that way... contrast Superman with how they did Captain America (an equally cheesy boy scout type) in the MCU. You got the point about Cap being a boy scout, but without making him cheesy and without having him always scowling or brooding.
In a way the Marvel Comics Heroes were already deconstructed. Spider-Man is a teenager that is overwhelmed at the responsibility of being a hero, the Fantastic Four, Guardians of the Galaxy, Avengers and X-Men all are teams that operate like a family when they are not in battle. They are real people with superpowers. Kevin F. May not be from the comics, but he was a fan before he took control and understands how to make these movies work.
The only point I’d pick at is your comparison of Cap to Superman. They are completely different people. I’d argue that Cap’s past gave him more room and justification to be a dark and brooding character with a lot more internal conflicts. I agree though I think they could’ve taken him down a bit of a better path.... but he’ll that could be on Chris Evans too 🤷♂️.
I believe Jame Gunn made both of these movies...the problem comes down to taste. Marvel and the MCU is a colorful, fun, and generally laid back universe. DC was made to be dark and mysterious. I mean look at the two icons of the companies. Batman is typically seen as the face of DC and Captain America is typically the face of Marvel. Costume differences, back story differences, the way the characters carry themselves. It's really a matter of tastes. Families and Kids are not into this dark and brood world filed with violence and gore. I have my preferences but i dont stand for a bad movie. DC has always had this bad track record and i think a lot of people agree that The Dark Knight was probably the BEST DC film out of everything. Another problem im seeing is DC cant hire a decent director. Except James Gunn of course
I think 'The dark knight' was the best movie ever made in DC. It was so perfect, it had a great actor played as a strong antagonist. The protagonist had high stakes and challenges ahead which makes the story more interesting
The whole Harley/Joker love story in this movie is totally messing up their character dynamic. The Joker loves no one but psychopathic-ally tricks Harley into sticking around by saying he cares. However, in this movie he is shown obsessing over her and going out of his way to save her. Now, for her second movie, what part of that lends to her wanting to leave "Mr.J"? Poor setup for next outing.
@@tunnjessica it doesn't make a difference to younger people now, but it was considered Rock, way more edgy, Pop music would have been more syrupy or bubble-gumy crooner or love songs like Shaun Cassidy's DaDoRonRon or Rod Stuart's Tonight's the Night or ABBAs Dancing Queen. Music has more divergence than there was back then, and the nuances between genres may be lost on younger folks, but were big then. There were crossover songs, but queen would not have been considered "POP", a distinct genre with certain characteristics.
I'm sick of hearing the infinity stones described as McGuffins. They're not, they are integral to the plot of the movies they are in, they can not be substituted without destroying the narrative. They are almost characters themselves. A McGuffin is an object that is irrelevant to the plot and merely serves as a motivation to get the protagonist off the couch and further the plot. The best McGuffins are often forgotten about by the end of the first act. The classic example of a McGuffin is the Maltese Falcon. What it is, is irrelevant. It could just as easily be a bag of cash, a painting, secret plans. Any item that the characters might covet, that would drive them to kill. My favourite example though, is the brief case in Pulp Fiction. It drives so much of the story, yet we don't even find out what's in it. And we don't need to, because the story isn't about the contents of a brief case.
No one really knows what a MacGuffin is anymore. Even George Lucas gets it wrong ( I'm SHOCKED!). To the point that it's meaning has probably changed to reflect it's common mis-usage just as the word "hopefully" has. Examples of real MacGuffins: The briefcase from Repo-man and it's reappearance in Pulp Fiction. The Statue in the Maltese Falcon. A true MG can be replaced with anything else and the story would not change, as it has no plot related function. This is what actually makes it a MacGuffin rather than another storytelling device i.e. its uselessness. But the term has come to mean anything that searched for, hunted, or chased down through a storyline.
A macguffin is not irrelevant to the plot. It simply isn’t the main action of the plot. What it is does matter; it is not just a placeholder. I think you are misinterpreting the significance of a macguffin and therefore have no argument to make actually. It’s significance depends on HOW THE FILM USES IT. Therefore, sometimes it can seem insignificant and sometimes it can be very meaningful. That’s why people use the term differently.
@@wherearetgepoank1117 that’s incorrect. It can not be replaced with anything without changing significant elements of the character, dialogue, and action. It is secondary but not useless or irrelevant.
Im so much addicted to Marvel movies. There is something that I only feel while watching marvel movies and not other movies but I didn’t know what is that. And now you explained everything 😁
Because they are all in a massive interconnected universe. DCEU fails on so many levels at trying to mimic that. And yeah the I really agree with the main criticism when it comes to DC's avengers-like film. Justice League is way too rushed with little preparation
@@jacksfather I watched it because of the familiar badguy names. But I did not find harley attractive at all. The scene where she undresses was completely wasted on me as I thought she just looked like a board with a bra strapped to it. Way to flat.
That last scene where Harley embraces her former abuser back into her life after realizing that she is fine on her own was the last straw that broke this movie's metaphorical back... EDIT: Spelling
@@sjbrooksy45 If they had left out that scene and just enough joker flashbacks to hint at the nature of her relationship then it would have almost been enough
I'm with sjbrooksy45. That could've been really powerful if they'd spent the movie showing her struggling to break free of the Joker's hold on her, and at the end, just when it looks like she might grow into her own independent person? He reappears and she falls back into old habits. That scene would've been a proper gutpunch if they'd laid the groundwork properly. But they didn't.
@@paulb4334 That's a matter of personal preference rather than quality, though. Having a tragic ending wouldn't make the film *bad.* Some very great movies have had tragic endings. Being a good ending is more about the movie having *earned* it.
Title: "The Scene that Explains Why Gaurdians Worked and Suicide Squad didn't" Video: A breakdown of all the differences between the movies. So ...every scene?
I think "the" scene was supposed to be the first true fight scene. He just also included explaining the buildup that got us to it, why one setup worked better in 40 minutes than the other did in 60.
The scene where Rocket & Groot get introduced, along with the Macguffin, Gamora's motivation, and the Nova Corps. Most efficient intro of characters ever. Pure Nicole Perlman. She does a similar trick in Captain Marvel, twice.
"And you're boring!" Awesome🤣🤣🤣 I didn't dislike suicide squad, i actually really enjoyed it the first time i watched it. But the more i thought and talked about it i realized something wasn't quite right. Thank you now i know what it was! Awesome video!!
3:00 As a X-Men comics fan, yes, absolutely yes. Thank you someone for saying it! It's insane that Dark Phoenix is the only film to touch on Scott and Ororo's friendship.
Oh yeah. I want to see a much better series of X men movies, Hire Nicole Perlman, she is the only writer who has proved that she can introduce huge numbers of characters and complicated backgrounds (Kree Skrull War!) really quickly.
@@loginssuckx3 she has like five film credits. I wouldn't say yes but I won't say no either. -not that it's really up to me. The problem with the X-Men is that there is no main character. Depending on the arc, one or two characters might get more focus than the others, but I honestly think it will be a challenge to get right in film form. The comics introduced Storm, Colossus, and Nightcrawler -and threw in a barely developed Wolverine- all at once and expanded on the characters slowly piece by piece as they lived and fought together, even giving Cyclops a great character arc over several issues. Even a lot of comic book writers suck at juggling the team and end up picking a favorite or two and barely giving the others a line. I'd rather they just do a new cartoon series, honestly. -a more mature one like DC does. Live action if they can manage it.
Kendra T That Team also had Banshee, Sunfire and Thunderbird... Which went and rescued the mostly original X-Men Havok, Marvel Girl, Iceman, Angel and Polaris.
Kendra T You basically said what I was thinking, except you don’t like what I was thinking. Personally I think it’s good that the X-Men doesn’t have a main character. Every character matters just as much as the next. One X-Men comic can focus on the struggles of “this” character or these couple of characters, while another can focus on others. I do understand your point though and I agree that the movies could and should do them more justice as far as their interactions go.
Would have been cool if the Blob-Monsters couldnt normally die and would quickly restore any damage. Katana would be crucial to stop them, since her blade absorbs the soul and kills them for good, while the others can incapacitate them. It would force the group to work together and put an actual risk upon them.
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What's the most important scene in Guardians of the Galaxy?
in the end, when they realize truly how much they have in common.
My favorite DCEU character is probably Aquaman. Or Shazam.
Yondus death
The gathering circle
The battle Shrek v. Shaggy
also guardians had a reason to play old music. it was part of quill’s story and character. there’s no explanation as to why suicide squad would have old music or even so much of it.
there's a reason though, it's because GOTG had it
Yeah that’s the only music he had from Earth
@@TheLifeLaVita lol! Right on.
Yeah it is explicitly stated in Guardians that Quill always listens to same music as a tribute and way to remember his mom. So it makes sense that he, and by extension the audience, would hear it everywhere. I have no idea why Suicide squad had that sound track other then old pop songs in movies are popular now.
It’s also ENTIRELY diegetic.
Everyone in GOTG had lost their family or never had one. They were orphans. So they became a family. This is the core of the story
David Edosomwan his mum died, the day he left so he was technically an orphan
David Edosomwan Quill may have had a living biological father, but he still was not a father to Quill
@@lefthanded3446 "He may have been your father, but he sure wasn't your daddy."
That's exactly it, they gain a sense of belonging from one another and them knowing eachother that well is where most of the comedy comes from
Ok but if you have to explain it in words, then it didn't work at all on film.
The entire time of Suicide Squad, I was waiting for them to actually be bad guys. They never were. They did nothing bad, except constantly say how bad they are.
DC logic: they were in jail so they're bad.
Harley stole a necklace or sth, that's EVIL
And broke in a bar, and didn't pay 😂
Seem like a lot of their bad shit was cut
Yup i expected thar by the end of the movie, they would duck out.
Show why you dont put supervillains together and teach them how to work as a team.
“We are Groot” has more emotion and pure love in it than any phrase of any DC movie. And there’s about 25 better MCU quotes.
"We are Groot" ... I cried
Only marvel can make u cry about a tree
@@zinn_io that too for whom we knew for only for 2 hours
"I could do this all day."
@@tellmesomething2412 *can
Don't forget that Drax has the ability to become invisible.
Only when you're not looking at him, but yea, cool power.
good god that scene..... We still never found out why is gamora.
@@Zincoshine- what is gamora?
hahahaha
@@Zincoshine- wait for volume 3. Remember that endgame satisfied our need for thor not cutting thanos head off. I bet the same will happen
Don't forget that the characters in GotG are easily likeable. The atmosphere around them were fun.
While in Suicide Squad, everyone was trying to be edgy.
Pambudi Wardhani yeah, it was like the difference between a experienced RPG group and newbies trying to play cool anti-heroes
Good point. In the animated version, they are much more likable and it works much better.
Deadshot, Harley Quinn, Katana, and Killer Croc are characters who you can feel sorry for if you show their back stories. They really could have done some really cool redemption arcs with that. I mean come on.
That is basically Marvel and DC movies in a nutshell
thats kind of why i think theyll do the fantastic four fairly decent. like the stretch super power in a super dark universe like theyve tried is too bizarre, but MCU might be able to pull that off
Also the music in Suicide Squad felt like someone kept changing the channel on the radio, where as Guardians of the Galaxy had a cohesive sound track.
CoolTrainer: VaultBoy-39 tbf Gotg’s soundtrack was based on a mixtape Peter Quill brought from Earth, which was meant to be his mum’s favourite songs, which explains the cohesion.
@@PoppyCorn144 Gunn also filmed the scenes to match the feel and flow of the songs selected. The music is part of the story as much as the cinematics, and was deliberately chosen to evoke a specific reaction from the viewers.
In SS, it seems like they shot the scene, then tried to find a song that kind of fit. It feels forced.
@@CrimsonRhalllic Gunn wrote scenes with specific songs in mind.
They're not typical 'I've got such a cool record collection' songs in GotG either. They're more quirky and offbeat, like the movie itself.
@@CrimsonRhalllic it was a forced selection of top 40 hits that had been played a billion times before. They were trying to be like Guardians but missing the point by a mile and they certainly wouldn't have taken a chance with a song that someone might not have heard before.
I feel like Captain America making Mjolnir budge had more sub plot than any dc movie has offered full movie plot so far.
💯
Cap lift Mjolnir
Everyone:🎆✨🎇✨🎆🧨🎆✨🎇🧨🧨🧨🎇🎆✨🎉🎊🎉🎊🎑✨
Most of DC movies:
Everyone:😶
god damn underrated comment. i love both dc and marvel, it’s just that everyone knows that the dc characters are poorly portrayed in the movies and their movies try to hard to copy the mcu and even fail at that because it’s all rushed.
@@user-ii2rf8cs8j YESSSSS
Me and my friends watched Endgame in the cinemas, and I remember the scene where Steve calls for Mjolnir offscreen as Thor gets beaten to the ground by nutsack face, and there were audible gasps and "oh my god"s across the theater. It was tense, everyone was excited, and when it was finally shown that Steve wielded the hammer the theater erupted to screams. Some people even stood up and pumped their fists in the air. I remember that I nearly got choked up and had tears welling up in my eyes from excitement and happiness, and we left the cinema with my throat dry from screaming lmfao.
On the other hand, I watched the Justice League (hell even BvS) and there weren't really any scenes that made me as excited as that. There were no payoffs, no satisfying subplots that was as impactful as that. It's honestly so disappointing, I really liked Man of Steel and Wonder Woman. The potential for a universe as/more fleshed out as/than the MCU was crumpled up to dust just because they felt like they need to one-up Marvel.
"Captain Boomerang doesn't throw a boomerang"
The most savage movie review I've ever seen.
When i'm rich, i will donate lights to DC.
Just tell Bruce Wayne to do it. That's his super power.
@@thinklifepro9124 that just doesn't exist in his universe
Lol so true... all the lighting is dark
@@thinklifepro9124 yep good comment
How do we solve the grit?
This video was better planned than Suicide Squad.
I'm even sure most other dc movies were better planned than suicide squad
Lol🤣🤣🤣
This video just makes me sad for what could have been.
Burn but also accurate so... truth?
It’s not so bad at all I liked the movie.
Seeing this video made me realize I've forgotten every character of Suicide squad that is not Margot Robbie. I was actually surprised that Will Smith was in the movie, and I watched it last year
Yo same! I genuinely did not remember Will Smith was even in it. Only thing I remembered was Margot Robbie and the enchantress character.
Will Smith was actually pretty good too, they just didn’t really do too much for the character except that he loves his daughter and he never misses. Cap. Boomerang actor was awesome but they didn’t let him do anything except be drunk.
Same. I only remember the Joker and Harley. Joker because he was so loud and flamboyant, Harley because she is the main character.
lmaoo same i was like "oh that guy was will smith?", also the fact that the movie is so dark (literally dark) just made me forget every character except harley quinn who's the only colorful character there
I remembered everybody’s name except for the guy who’s power was apparently being good at climbing.
Suicide Squad: *WALKING* *INTENSFIES*
Guardians of the Galaxy: Here's a ratcoon shooting from a living tree in prison
underrated comment of the year
"Don't call me a racon!"
Fella: You need my what?
@@thedemonunderyourbed6772 I'm sorry. I meant trash panda
@@cyberneticsquid-godofmassd3759 Is that better?
GotG didn't try to act cool and badass, they all have unique personality and flaws which make them likable and relatable somehow
Your right . Except gamora maybe
@Ross Coe let me correct your comment "yes I did..."
@Ross Coe Suicide Squad sucks, since they are trying to act cool and badass, especially Joel Kinnderman
So do the Squad
@@FraserSouris ew, not even close
I never realised how much Suicide Squad tried to rip off Guardians
@Elaura Andrist isn't Gunn director of suicide squad sequel? The original was directed by David Ayer.
@Elaura Andrist lol not the same director . Though he will direct the sequel
That's most of the DCEU tbh
@@matrixmdog ye Olde comic book truism. Marvel wants Batman and Superman and DC wants to be Marvel.
@Elaura Andrist incorrect, goofball
Honestly, the dialogue *"WE ARE GROOT"* had more emotions than the entire Suicide Squad movie.
And it isn't close.
what a copied comment
a user called coolguy1127 said the exact same thing 3 months prior
@@aasrithkammula5004 Whats wrong with copying? Is it illegal? Can't two ppl out of seven billion ppl think of the same thing?
@@tarrowave no
Suicide Squad was lazy... Here is a crazy new character, you know why they are crazy? Because here's a pop song!
@Bale Sahagun no that's too smart
I mean GotG did the same thing.
@@bradecurrencyfarman2164 they had pop songs for each character sure, but not as blatant as SS. The inferno guy literally had a song about being on fire, and Harley Quinn had a song about being a crazy b**ch. Next step is a signature move set and they may as well be WWE Wrestlers.
@@RatelHBadger yeah the difference is the old pop song selection in guardians is more tasteful and less blatant and adds to the feeling of the movie rather than obviously just being music outside the movies world
@@michaelmayo2489 And they have a reason to be in the movie.
Easy, cause every minute we were not reminded how the guardians were the bad guys.
But then how would we know that they are "Bad guys" when the most evil thing you see them do is crash a lambo
@@dominiqueodom3099 And bust a window too steal a purse. Can't forget that.
@@fireking9341 so scary and threatening bro
You cant sympathize with villians of that repute Good Sir
I'd say it's because the "ragtag group of misfit unlikely heroes" in Guardians found themselves in their predicament through the natural events of the film. It would have been more jarring had Nova Prime had put the Guardians together deliberately with the mission of the five of them opposing Ronan and the Kree empire.
The Suicide Squad should have been formed for government black op assignments because of plausible deniability because they're criminals and psychos. There's nothing otherwise remarkable about them that justifies their existence because they're supposed to somehow stop someone like Superman. Especially egregious because the military escorts them to their mission point the whole way, so they can "do their thing". Which is...what?
Suicide Squad is the vegan of DC movies
I unironicly think, the best dc movie so far was the Lego Batman.
actually same
That or joker
Dark knight too
Nah it'll always be Chris Nolan's Dark Knight trilogy. No dc movie comes close to it
Yes
The soundtrack on GoTG is cohesive and has a reason to be in the movie. In SS, it seems the director forgot to unplug his iPod.
Yup, it's Peter quill and his character for which the old soundtrack makes great sense.. it looks like SS just tried to rip off GOTG imo
@@Mercilessonion Then there's also the song choices themselves. A lot of them play thematically into where the story is going at that moment. There's a reason why Fleetwood Mac's 'The Chain' is played twice in the sequel. And it has to do with the theme of family.
So DC copied Marvel almost point for point and still managed to fail.
Yes.
See also: Justice League.
That's what happens when you apply a formula instead of telling a story.
@Fate Destiny But at least they do it well.
That's HIGHLY debatable
Harley Quinn is Basically the reason why people watched Suicide Squad.
@Gaius Wyrden which Joker?
I watched for Killer Croc but he hardly did anything.
TinyGalaxy have to admit he was one of the reasons I wanted to watch this movie, then was very disappointed in what he actually did.
Mine was deadshot
Swogg Jenkins well your not wrong
“With the color palette of a Nickleback album”, wow! Possibly the harshest review quote ever!
The best Nickelback-based burn I've ever heard
But accurate
Nickelback Video*
So true
Lmaooo right
"The x-men movies have mostly dealt with this by not dealing with this".... This cracked me up
I think the x-men movies just assumed that pretty much everyone watching an x-men movie already has a basic knowledge of x-men going in. I like that level of trust in the audience.
But same. That line is golden.
Same here. Fox absolutely butchered what were once the most popular comic characters in the world. Maybe the MCU will finally save the X-Men one day.
@@Devillionaire they’ll definitely give them new life at some point.. now that they can 😂
Maybe in the next Deadpool movie!
I mean, that's always been one of the core aspects of the X-men. "Mutant" was basically a blanket handwavium term for the comic writers to not have to explain complicated backstories for large groups of characters. How can Scott shoot beams from his eyes? He's a mutant. How can Kurt teleport? He's a mutant. How can Jean make telekinetic barriers? Mutant. Also, some nonsense with a Phoenix, but we'll get to that later.
And no, I'm not brushing aside the fact that the OTHER core aspect of the X-men is that "Mutant" is also a blanket allegory for whatever persecuted minorities the writers wanted to write about.
The first X-men movie was 99% rogue. This channel has great editing, but most of his comments are flat out wrong. Funny.. but wrong.
I say it again DC fails because we cant see anything in their movies ..so dark lmao
That's definitely another element to look at. While Guardians had moments of darkness or dimly lit areas, it was offset by many others of light and warmth to highlight the emotions in the scenes and provide levity as needed to let the audience breathe, so to speak. Suicide Squad is almost perpetually dark after some initial setup scenes and never really gives you a chance to just live with the characters and world outside of the one specific story thread you are supposed to follow.
That’s why Wonder Woman, Aquaman, and Shazam worked. They had some color and you could see what was going on. They had better writing. They had just better everything. Zack Snyder also had virtually nothing to do with all 3 of them.
Deadpool had a point
the lighting budget was lost in transit
They thought the Dark Knight was actually the dark night and took it literal.
“Wouldn’t want to fill it up with flash backs” anime: sweating profusely
Especially Naruto
U mean fillers
@@MochaPhilanthropist Not all flashbacks are filler
I once watched an episode in Naruto where a flash back lasted two episodes 😂😂😂
@@gapebonganingwanaamotho2445 Bro that ain't nothing, in One Piece, the arc with the mermaids, the flashback lasts about 4-5 episodes. And I mean straight up flashback, none of those "present time then cut back to flashback and then present time again"
Let's be honest, the thing that sets these movies apart is the dancing.
@surfitlive yes
That dancing part in the GOTD climax was cringe for me even though I love that movie
Dance off bruh!
“What are you doing!?”
“Dance off”
Shaquille Phillips-Breedlove
“Dance off bro. You and me”
Marvel just gets to your heart giving you goosebumps and you never want it to end especially the character interactions (because of unique personalities) whereas D. C you just wait for the movie to actually start, but it never does.
THIS
Yep. And then you just want it to be over because booooring.
every character being a quippy funny wise ass is not unique. its literally the only thing joss whedon can do.
literally, i watched suicide squad and an hour into the movie i was like oh already nothing has happened yet??
@@TheSuperappelflap Yeah, I agree that the jokes were a bit much in some cases. Still love the characters though.
The difference between GoTG and SS is in the two following lines...
"What a bunch of A- holes" ـــ Nova corp commander describing the guardians.
"They are the worst of the worst" ـــ Amanda walder describing the squad.
GoTG knew exactly what it was; a fun, hilarious space comedy. And it didn't take itself too seriously.
So a story about the worst criminals shouldn't take itself seriously even though their source material does as well?
The source material is different, the producers clearly went for a different direction and make it all fun and light-hearted, so their serious attitude came off wrong.
@@kaitospin3944
SS isn't that light hearted. In fact, it's pretty close to how the comics present the case
I swear this is like the Halo/Killzone debacle I where the media tried to have two properties compete against each other because they shared similarities yet were really nothing alike. Halo was a colorful space opera whilst Killzone was a gritty war movie.
@@Fenris30 so much truth!
DC movies are too dark
literally
like.. can they not shoot in lightless city night or something?
there's tons of way to create beautiful looking night scene
Roger Deakins enters the chat...
They were $175M too poor for lights.
They spent their entire budget on flashback, no spare for some LED lights.
Their CGI is crap so it's better most of the movies happen in the dark. That way you may not see how bad the CGI is
Nooo! You can’t just spend 30% of a movie on flashbacks!
Suicide squad: hehe, backstory go whirrrrrrr
underrated comment
Same things happened in infinity war lol 😂
@@AfyxSyahmi-kj3nx but at least it was enjoyable in Infinity War. And no, thrre were just Thanos and gamora flashbacks and were not 30% of the movie. Your comment is biased.
That reminds me of GI Joe Rise f Cobra. Seriously, it overdid the flashbacks.
my eyes have adapted to seeing cheems in comments like this
"color palette of a Nickelback video" is the best descriptor of this movie's color grading I've ever heard
"The helicopter gets shot down and they start walking." That's the scene that explains it. Shot down by what, and why don't they care? That's the scene that encompasses the problems with that movie: terrible writing and editing.
Answer: The writers put them in a helicopter because they were so far away and then realized they needed them walking so they could talk to each other, so they shot the helicopter down. Action dictates the story rather than actions flowing naturally from the story.
Exactly. IIRC they never say who or what shoots down the chopper. And the fact that a helicopter falls from the sky loaded with ppl and they all walk out unscathed its completely ridiculous. That copter is barrel rolling down the street, flipping end over end. None of these "bad guys" is invulnerable or has powers like that. Yet they simply walk out of the copter like la dee da lets take long stroll and find some blob monsters. It is painful to watch.
Entire thing was disappointing. I was super hyped for this movie after the trailers. Also because i am a huge Harley fan. And i did think Leto would do an ok job as the Joker. Trailers made it look like the Joker was heavily involved in the movie. Instead they cut all the Joker scenes. What a train wreck. And to think this dumpster fire actually won an oscar lol.
@@roboninja3194 Yeah any time there was a Joker scene (or Batman, his Deadshot scene was also cool), I was just like, "This is the movie I'd rather be watching."
Then their secret rescue is...just Waller. Who then shoots everybody in the room. Huh? Even for her that was so out of character. And then their main villain is...just one of their team? And her deal is she's building...something?...to destroy mankind because they "worship machines." Or whatever. What a mess.
Yet somehow I still can't wait for Birds of Prey.
What do you think they got shot down by? Maybe the soldiers Enchantress was making.... I mean, it kinda seems obvious. But other than that, I agree with you comment.
@@TyOn2Wheels314 it seems obvious because the soldiers are the only ones there. Not because we ever see them operating that kind of weaponry.
Guardians: A bunch of freshman college kids making an amateur movie for fun.
Suicide: A bunch of prep school rich kids making a portfolio.
That's literally what they were. pretty much everyone involved in GOTG except gamora was a freshman to blockbuster development and while gamora wasn't new, she didn't let previous experience get to her head.
@@Zincoshine- and the two most famous guys were voiceovers
@@Zincoshine- I mean Chris Pratt starred in Jurassic world
@@aasrithkammula5004 that was after guardians. Pretty much before Guardians the only big thing Pratt was in was Parks and Rec
@@zachinabox2951 ... and he wasn't classic action hero superstar type, but chubby, cool dude. He just made himself into a hunk for a new type of role.
This review is like a ruthless parent: “I’m not mad and I don’t hate it, I’m just... disappointed”
"I just don't understand why you can't be more like your brother"
To make a long story short: basically GOTG had great character development, great casting, great scenes, great dialogues and great storytelling. Suicide Squad was lacking in all those aspects... especially storytelling and dialogues.
nah, they had good casting
@@digitool5944 no, they had good actors but terrible for the role, Will Smith sucks at being a villan, his personality and carisma makes it hard for the audience to belive he is evil or sort of, plus he is so recognisable that you see him as himself not DeathShot or whatever.
In fact the Squad Army Leader guy and DeathShot should swap their actors it would fit them better.
Not to mention that intro with cut scenes that looked like trailers for a bunch of movies ughhh
Gamora is an alien who was trained to be a weapon since childhood. She has earned the right to be a badass fighter.
What about Harley? She was a psychiatrist who went insane. Insanity does not grant physical prowess. Even the Joker in The dark night does not get into physical fights. Characters like Joker or Harley are not super-humans known for fighting techniques. That is not their specialty.
Tell that to Arkham Knight who made Harley Quinn a Playable character that beats up cops with ease.
@The Comment isAnd Poison Ivy gave her immunity to toxins as well as boosted strength and agility in the comics
Harley is an acrobat turned psychiatrist turned insane violent criminal, she's by default more of a fighter than Joker, they're not mirrors of the same character archetype, she's more evil Robin than female Joker
But it is for Harley in the comics
@Kevin Warburton He doesn´t have to do most fighitng because he can´t lol
I remember reading that the original script focused a lot more on Harley than on Deadshot - to the point I actually think she was intended to be the protagonist, at least during the screenwriting process. A lot of the talk about how the Joker had most of his scenes cut kind of supports this, but I feel there's a lot to support this in the film itself. Mostly when comparing her to the Enchantress (both being doctors who were turned into monsters by outside forces, and how Harley is actually the one to stand up to her and cut her heart out at the end).
Point of bringing this up - there's the saying that you actually create a film 3 different times; once when you write it, once when you film it and once when you edit. Guardians clearly knew exactly what it was trying to be in all 3 stages. However, I have a strong suspicion that the writer for Suicide Squad was trying to tell one story, the director was trying to tell another, and the editor was trying to tell a completely different one. That's why this film feels like such a disjointed mess at times.
darkdesigns love this comment! This applies to many failed movies.
So totally agree. When I first heard about Suicide Squad, I was led to believe it was about Harley Quinn and that she was the protagonist. All it ended up as was a "women are dumb and deserve to be objectified" film. Harley may have been psychotic, but she was also extremely intelligent. It's a shame SS didn't show it.
that totally makes sense
i heard that there was a lot of drama with the editing process, to the point where they had to switch to a new editing studio (the one that did the trailer) so i’m sure all that muddled the story beyond belief
This really makes sense with how sexualized she was (almost pornographic, and I know what bdsm looks like) and that the script copy Margot likely received that probably interested her to the character more. I was super disappointed In her arc
That makes sense.
The marketing and hype was very problematic. SS was suppose to be about a bad guy team, and that would be an amazing movie. You really didn't get to see how or why they were bad. None of them were ever really shown that way, except for Harley. What we got from this movie felt more like 3 movies squished into one. There were too many plotlines that didn't get enough exposure.
I also had a hard time wanting to watch this movie when I heard about the brutal training and messed up things that went on behind the scenes.
One more thing, I was confused and upset about the mission, was to break out Waller. I rewatch this movie ever once in a while, and I just don't get it. All that build up just to break an official free instead of going to fight the monster to save the city?
Suicide Squad re-shoots and insert humor was trying so hard to be Guardians of the Galaxy that its painful.
You're here!!!!
They were trying to force the strange camaraderie that forms on Marvel sets. That natural camaraderie comes out in the scenes being played in Marvel films.
accept it works! both in Suicide 1 & 2, where as Guardian 2 was rehash, and tried so hard to be funny it fell so fucking flat and pathetic.
@@stinkur That's your opinion. Suicide Squad (the first one) was absolutely trash to the point I wanted to just go back home during watching it in the Cinema. They were trying way, way too hard to be edgy to the point it fell so fucking flat and pathetic. The Suicide Squad was much better, but I still liked Guardians of the Galaxy 1 better. And GotG 2 was actually pretty good (for me). I especially love the scene where Starlord got all that flashbacks and sad when Yondu died.
My Fav Between Those 4 :
1. Guardians of the Galaxy
2. Guardians of the Galaxy 2
3. The Suicide Squad
4. Suicide Squad (I agree with the title. The movie should commit suicide.)
@@stinkur second suice squad was decent but still they need to work a LOOOOT more and A LOOOOOT HARDER to touch a marvel quality in the movies
on the other hand
DC animated movies are way way better then marvel :D
Marvel has this cool thing
they have all EMOTIONS in film
someone already explain that during comic con that marvel is like those old school movies or something where you see all ..drama comedy etc etc
DC doesn't have that
and if they try for comedy it's FORCED
they go for drama??? it's FAKE you don't believe it
when IRON MAN died at the end of ENDGAME
people were crying
Helll iwas crying during first avenger when steve was going to crash plane into the ice and he was talking to agent carter
and this thing you can't find in any DC movie
just wanted to say that this _alone_ is what made me watch guardians of the galaxy, and holy HELL am i glad i did. that was one beautiful, beautiful ride and i enjoyed every second of it.
You'd probably like Thor Ragnarok too then.
@@Tonjit41 😁😊😋😎And HELL YEAAAAAAA
Pal ure gona enjoy spiderman too if you like GOTG
@@blue-guymaster5121 not really they're still the weakest marvel movies not including no way home, I love guardians but not the first two Spiderman's. I wouldn't recommend it just based off liking guardians.
@@artwithlaur I respect your opinion but really in my opinion the weakest marvel movie is Black Widow.
“With the color palette of a Nickleback video.” ROFL. 🤣🤣🤣
"And you're BORING!" 8)
Legit scrolled down to the comments just to post this.
Beat me to it ya bastard. XD
It was *nippleback. Listen to it again
@@nurkoleptik_art Glad I wasn't the only one wondering who the hell Nippleback is.
one glaring difference that jumps out watching this is how dark SS looks in comparison to the GOTG scenes. DC movies in general are always done in the dark making it hard to see action and giving it a brooding feel
Eric Callahan that's because they think that all of their movies should be set to the tone of Batman.
Batman was dark and it was successful. So, to them, they means only dark movies are successful. Even if it Superman, whose movies are supposed to be bright and hopeful, become dark and moody. The Guardians brought light to some dark places.
Spot on! The biggest reason MCU has been more successful is that they are funny as well as having great CGI action sequences. DC is dark and mopey.
@@MrDufDaddy watch Shazam. They're learning. They still like to use dingy filters though, but w Shazam it just makes the brightness stand out more when it shows
It's designed to look like a Marvel comic book, and SS just looks grimy. Even Superman 1979 knew exactly what it was.
I think it's just DC's inability to get the best out of the things they have. Just watch daredevil. It has a dark tone and most of its fight scenes take place in the dark. And yet it's a masterpiece. Probably better than 80% of mcu movies. If dc did it properly they could be good even in dark but they just fucked up a lot in the start
You kinda glazed over another big difference in the movies. The soundtrack. The music in Guardians was amazing, all totally enjoyable, and there were some deep cuts in it. The Soundtrack for SS was "lets jam as many of the most popular 60's and 70's songs into this thing as possible, and have a cover of Bohemian Rhapsody in it." But the biggest, and best difference to the soundtracks are in their meanings. In SS it is just there to sell records. In GotG we learn that Quill and his mother listened to these songs together, so there is an emotional resonance to them that helps them to be more than just songs. They are a special connection for the characters, and a way for the audience to connect to the characters. And GotG will always have something that not other movie, anywhere, will ever have...dancing Baby Groot.
SS was very Bohemian Rhapsody-ish from start to finish. That's the kind of song that pairs with a shitty movie and the audience knows it. GotG aimed to be sophisticated, artful, meaningful. It's a story, not just an encounter.
The artistic intentions were totally different. One was doomed to fail.
@@chinashorts1491 - Hey Wayne's World started it and that movie is a classic. Every movie trying to rip off that Wayne's World scene has since failed.
SS the music fit only on a shallow, superficial level. In Guardians, it was woven into the story. The best example (from Guardians 2) was the use of 'The Chain' during the 'oh the Guardians are fucked wait oh no they aren't' scene. It gave me chills.
Also it served as a juxtoposition between the audience and Quill, deepening his character. The 70s-80s are all he knows. What was currently enjoyable for him was nostalgic for everyone else and that helped guide the humor in Quills pop culture references.
Don't forget the music in GotG is diegetic. What we hear, the characters also hear. It makes it more meaningful for the characters and the audience in addition to the emotional connection to Peter's mom.
I realised something after reading the comments
Last fights of most DC movies
Suicide squad - night
Batman v Superman - night
Wonder woman - night
Shazam - night
WW2 - night
Batman 1and 2 - night
Justice league - night
Is it something that happened by a coincidence or do they see to it that the fights take place only at night / dark
"It'S BeCauSe DC iS mOrE SeRiOuS aNd GrIm". It's Snyderism, where no one really knows how to insert actually dark, serious motives in superhero movie so they make everything amorphous in the shadow, and then they add ton of dark filters. Or sepia. There must be sepia.
It made me think on Marvel instead...
Iron Man 1 - night
Iron Man 2 - night
Iron Man 3 - night
Captain America 1 - day
Captain America 2 - day
Captain America 3 - day
Incredible Hulk - night
Thor 1 - day
Thor 2 - day
Thor 3 - day
Avengers 1 - day
Avengers: Age of Ultron - day
Avengers: Infinity War - day
Avengers: Endgame - day to evening.
Black Panther - day to evening.
Dr. Strange - night
Guardians of The Galaxy vol1 - day
Guardians of The Galaxy vol2 - day
Spiderman: Homecoming - night
Spiderman: Far From Home - day
Ant-Man 1 - night
Ant-Man 2 - day
Those I haven't mentioned, I haven't seen them yet.
It's purely a coincidence. Shazam, Suicide Squad and Wonder woman weren't trying to follow the usual Snyder formula, Shazam even felt like the stereotypical MCU movie, so having a night time fight has nothing to do with the tone of the movies. Btw Aquaman final fight was at daytime.
Makes CGI easier, maybe?
"and you're boring" I laughed to hard when the clip kept popping up.
Cody Mennenga can you tell me from which movie it is?
@@schmerle6345 American Beauty I think is the movie it comes.
I was scrolling down waiting for someone to mention that clip. I kept dying everytime 😂😂😂
Me too! 😂😂😂
Word
"What a bunch of a-holes." is my favorite line from the MCU.
"I'm Mary Poppins yall" I like that better
Language!
@@stevejackson9952 did you seriously just say that...
@@austinhernandez2716 Yes, only outta respect to the guy that i got shit faced with at house party. That's right people I got wrecked with Captain America in H.S.
Great line, but I prefer “I’m not sure anyone’s 100% a dick” that interaction has me cracking up
Gordon Ramsay on GotG: Stunning! Beautiful!
Gordon Ramsey on Suicide Squad: Its fookin' RAAAAWW!
Where is the PLOT SAAAAAAAUCE!!!!
So glad Birds of Prey gave Margot Robbie the opportunity to play the Harley she really wanted!
Plus in that we got more than just shooting guns but acrobatic incorporated in the fights and far more interesting fight styles.
Yeah but boo it for covering her proof that there is a god ass.
@@khaki_man People are allowed to like what they want. For me, it had a lot of personality that suicide squad was lacking. Harley felt like more of her own character in this movie
@@stevejackson9952 yeah, her clothes were just aweful.
@@khaki_man why? Because the cast is all female and the director is also a female?
Let’s be straight here, the reason DC movies always fail to deliver compared to marvel is because of their character focus. DC has always, comics and movies both, focused on characters abilities/weaknesses and how they interact which gives it a cold and analytical feel, Marvel focuses on characters humanity, who they are and how that forms their force of will to overcome odds. In the marvel universe it’s a characters force of will, their desire to succeed, that determines how powerful they are. They can have their ass handed to them by the underlings, find inspiration, and go back later and wipe the floor with the boss with no new powers, abilities, or training.
LeMarkD Media this is why DC shows are always better than a marvel show and vice versa with movies.
@@anthonyturner6399 yes ntwait for thecu marvel showstho I wonder how they will compare
Bro just compare first 8 movies of dceu and MCU. It takes time to know what is good. How many movies were good out of those 8 films? I guess only 2, iron Man and the avengers, others sucked ass. DC has WW and Aquaman and mos is better than any of the remaining six movies. So your ' DC movies always fail to deliver' is absolute shit. Also DC movies are not just dceu unlike MCU.
@@GauravYadav-bf7qj to be honest.... Nobody knows who the hell is thor Or ironman....... Cap may be familiar..... They just need the time to shine... While WW AQ Supes are way well known characters all around the world....... The first 8 did very well in introducing themselves.... That's the aim so that the succesion one will be successful... That's what happened.... Even the succesion movies revived the box office of the previous movies to 1 billion
@@esthaksanjay.a2843 well then wait for DC. You can't change the fact that MCU's first phase mostly sucked. I am just telling you that it's still early to judge dceu
Guardians just is better writing. You get to know the characters as the story progresses. Not all flashbacks from the get go, some is just talking making the normal dialogues more interesting aswell. You keep the audience interested cause of the mistery. Explaining every single character before the story starts is one major thing hobby writers do wrong when writing a story, how does a big company like dc get that wrong???
Guardians motives are logical unlike suicide squad. Why would a bunch of baddies cry about how wrong the world treats them? They have been in prison for ages, go watch a documentary about prison life and make their behaviour more realistic. They also aren't just gonna try to be the good guy the first time they get the chance. There is no real reason why they work together and why their behaviour changes.
Guardians however had a very good reason why they worked together and did what they did:
"Why do you want to save the universe?"
"Cause I live in it."
To be frank, that is my favourite quote in GoTG. It serves as both a funny line and something that sets the stakes.
"Cause I'm one of the idiots who lives in it!"
meh.... the Guardians movies had a better PLOT but the script writing was AWFUL. Draxx's character and some of the tasteless "comedy" ruined the movies for me. I dont even consider them part of the official MCU. (refused to buy their movies and I own ALL of the other ones except Captain Marvel)
@@itsneight1260 I did like it, the second movie was shit though in my opinion.
In Suicide Squad there is only one character with development, I feel like... And that's the lead soldier, whose name I always forget. He at least seems to get disillusioned over the course of the movie
Guardians of the Galaxy followed the Marvel (and Stan Lee)'s template- focus on the Characters and Story FIRST.
That's what Squad was also doing
Plus, do a lot of comedy. People are far more forgiving of comedy movies in terms of plot/character growth.
@@FraserSouris Fuck no! They put merchandising and appealing to teenagers first. Come back to me when you're rewatched B:TAS and the animated Suicide Squad movie to see the difference.
@@FraserSouris Not really. Suicide squad concentrated on the action first. There were many good ideas in SS but there was no real arc to the characters as a group.
@@fanime1
>"They put merchandising and appealing to teenagers first.
Glad you mentioned the colour pallet at the end - any time you had the two films side by side, it was painfully obvious.
Im a big DC fan but I would still choose Guardians of the Galaxy over Suicide Squad any day
I feel you on some points I looooove the dc cartoons !!!! All of them but I hate the movies if they just follow the cartoons and use the writers from the toons they might have something. The marvel cartoons however are really bad but their movies all have been awesome except capt. marvel and daredevil
@Elaura Andrist i am a huge fan of DC comics - i pay more attention to batman stuff tho... also i do love marvel, but their movies are way better than the comics : ie, Spiderman, Iron man - i guess the hulk ones werent too bad tho 😁
@@jdb8009 i agree!!! Although the arkham games are my life blood 🤣 i dont really like all of the DC movies but it certainly has its gems 💎
@Elaura Andrist and let ME dumb it down for you. the only thing wrong with DC is that they cannot adapt their characters well in life action movies but everything else from their Comics to their animation and their tv shows have exceeded Marvel📍
However, marvel stepped their game up with their tv shows, titans had so much potential but it was meh.
My fav titian is raven and i was appalled by what they did to her
I love DC characters but it’s PAINFUL how they’ll ruin those characters with bad movies like Suicide Squad. The Christopher Nolan Batman trilogy was so good (even though I didn’t care for the dark knight rises aka the third movie), so why can’t any other good directors or producers or writers come up with some super interesting DC stuff? Or at least some fun movies that don’t bore you to death.
Love the fact that after DC's failed attempt to copy GOTG they just hired the director to do it instead.
James Gunn was offered ANYTHING he wanted to do including Superman.
HE CHOSE the Suicide Squad.
“his knack for charming people to part their legs... parting with their legs” I DIED
"You need my what?" killed me. 🤣🤣
Then enchantress had a way better orgin story than any of the "heroes" in suicide squad. In then end I felt sorry for her.
69th like.
Oh God! I'm sure she's lovely: kind to animals and loved by her mum. But Cara Delevingne (plays Enchantress) puts my teeth on edge in literally EVERYTHING she is in. Honestly I am irrationally irritated by every appearance.
@@claireforrest2157 I have to agree. She's a beautiful woman and very talented but...not a good actor.
DC/WB: Hey, can I copy your homework?
Marvel: Yeah, but try not to make it too obvious.
ScreenCrush: Mission accomplished.
Not even a copy.
Completely different.
Try connecting the two without using tropes nearly every "Team Movie" has.
And both Marvel and DC copy off of each other, but this isn't the case with Guardians and Squad.
DC: *changes the answer
@Civilized Not a fanboy.
Way to give a fanboy comment right after calling out a non fan boy comment.
Well they certainly managed to do the complete opposite lol
I never realized all the similarities between Suicide Squad and GOTG. Maybe because I saw SS once and Guardians like 5 times.
Shazam is my favorite DCEU movie.
You have very good taste ;)
@@fanime1 :-D
Yeah watching this I realized I only watch it once when I went to see it in theater and GotG like 20
I find these comparison videos so fascinating. For the longest time, I was so confused as to why the DCEU didn't just copy Marvel to at least have a moderately successful cinematic franchise. I'm just now realizing that that's exactly what they were trying to do, but just in the most surface-level way possible. It's actually kind of amazing and quite hilarious.
They keep saying how hard it is to introduce so many characters in a single film. Has no one heard of Seven Samurai?!! Hell Lord of the Rings has over a dozen.
And you actually remember them unlike in the hobbit where you remember two to three of the dwarves of the dozen.
Although, to be fair, I feel like it takes everyone forever to start remembering which one is Merry and which one is Pippin ;P
7 samurai is 3 hours long though
Yes movies like lord of the rings succeeded with that and helped it to get big which is why we know and remember it...so what's your point?
@@rambovato8669 I'm pretty sure the point was "they could do it so naturally but suicide squad can't introduce a squad to save their life."
Honestly, whenever someone talks about Suicide Squad, I mention the animated version, which was leagues better.
Harley cheats with Deadshot which culminates in Deadshot VS Joker, which is already a better concept for Harley.
There's a what now? Animated suicide squad? I really would have loved Jokes to be the baddie. What's it called?
@@HMASbogan Assault on Arkham. 😊
@@HMASbogan Suicide Squad: Hell to Pay
Tevell Winston assault on Arkham is better
All the animated movies are better than the DCEU
Suicide Squad was clearly written for the screen by a fifteen year old boy who hasn’t really got to grips with anything but himself. It revolves around a love of blowing stuff up, shooting stuff up and Margot Robbie’s shorts. There’s no substance to the film, we don’t care if they all survive, we are not drawn to the team, they are all one dimensional, throw away characters. When you put that up against GotG it is apparent that the GotG team have quirks and flaws that are endearing, they have depth and you can see how they are fighting against the odds, you want them to win.
Suicide Squad is another example of a great concept / story being wasted, give it another fifteen or twenty years and hope it gets revisited by a better screen writer with less of an obsession with guns and girls. It’ll be OK, someone will do it justice.
But the franchise is already going to be revisited
There's a sequel/reboot directed by James Gunn himself coming next year
@@MPeaches1958 I'd pay subscribe to a Margot Robbie in Shorts channel.
Gavin Johnson Margo actually chose that outfit herself. The costume she wears is basically from a photo of some female punk rock star in a shirt and undies. They also did the same with Joker, revolving his design around David Bowe
Margot Robbie's shorts are all the substance I need
Yeah to be fair, Harley Quinn's scenes were the best parts of the movie, with or without the shorts. And that's coming from a heterosexual female lol
"and you're boring" lol had me in stitches
But the bar scene is a reshoot. Imagine what the film really like if they didn't reshoot.
YIKES
Came down here to say exactly this. The original movie was so terrible, literally the only thing people can point to as the movie's redeeming scenes, are the scenes they shoe-horned in at zero hour to try to save it.
People complained about BvS being so dark so they did massive reshoots to try to lighten it making it more like Marvel. This created a patchwork movie that had no real direction.
Was it a reshot scene? because they talk about things that already happen. Like how they felt trapped because they explosives in thier head. By that scene they didnt have explosives in their head.
We didn't actually get the director's film. WBs hired a music video company to edit the film. There's no telling what was left out.
For instance, we know The Joker had a much bigger part to play in the overall storyline.
"Suicide Squad" had two reasons to exist, to showcase Will Smith's charisma, and, Margot Robbie's ass.
I could stare at her ass all day
She has no ass and every Will Smith character has acted the same as he acts in his daily life...nothing to showcase there
I think that by "charisma" you mean NARCISSISM.
Deborah Harry aka Blondie wore that Outfit better.
But mostly jut her ass.
Sneaky Ryan, getting me to watch this much of Suicide Squad over again.
That line when Rocket gets the gun is one of the best. "Ohhhhhhhh yeahhhhhhhhhh!"
Suicide squad cast: 🙂
Suicide squad writing: 🙃
Guardians was a fun film filled with interesting likeable characters. Suicide Squad was a boring, darkly filmed mess with Margot Robbie as the only bright part
Having just watched Suicide Squad: Hell to Pay, one of the problems with Suicide Squad is immediately obvious: they don't really seem like they're being forced to fight.
A proper Suicide Squad are constantly trying to escape and, if they think it's impossible, cause as much unnecessary death and destruction as possible. They hate each other, but they hate Waller more. They don't do good because a safe world benefits them, they do it because they'll die otherwise.
The DCEU movie was really just a bunch of reluctant heroes rather than rat bastard villains.
Also, I find it hilarious that her selling point for making the Squad was to stop a rogue Superman and yet she included Harley Quinn, Captain Boomerang, Slipknot and Deadshot. Arguably, Killer Croc barely factors.
Ironically, Enchantress would be the only one who would have a chance against Superman because he’s vulnerable to magic. I like Harley, but she wouldn’t stand a chance against a Superman level entity or an evil Superman. Suicide Squad never was intended for someone like Superman, they’re just a superpowered Black Ops team that they send against terrorists or extraction missions where the government can’t have the military involved.
@@alexman378 I've said that to my friends so many times! I'm genuinely curious how she sold the idea to her superiors.
"So, Superman, right? Super strong, super fast, heat vision, flight, nigh invulnerability and ice breath; he's on our side for now, but what if he goes rogue? Who could stop him? Well, let me introduce you to Harleen Quinzel, an unhinged psychiatrist with a baseball bat..."
Both Guardians movies are my favorite movies of ALL time. It's such a rollercoaster of crying and laughter. Also EXCELLENT and easily likeable characters. I could write an essay about how GOOD GotG is, but I'm gonna leave it short like this xD
For me, Suicide Squad looks darker.
Like literally darker, that sometimes I don't know what things just moving.
You forgot my favorite line.
"What are we? Some kind of suicide squad?"
*insert CinemaSins announcement: Roll credits!*
@@osco4311 critical drinker? Fuck off film...
What a beautiful view... to a kill :)
why can’t you be an adult and say “bitch”
The aggravating thing is that The Dirty Dozen 1967 did the whole “criminals given a chance on a suicide mission” thing with little to no special effects so much better than Suicide Squad with modern CGI.
I don't really want to defend SS but one of these movies plot requires CGI and the other one doesn't.
Aseru Hikari if the movie was the squad vs Joker that could have been done with minimal CGI.
@@orangeapples That would have been a different movie then tho... My point here is that you can't compare movies for it's theme and use CGI as argument of one being better than the other.
CGI isn't something bad or evil that downgrades a movie, SS is just a bad movie regardless of the CGI.
@@Aseruxx
CGI (autside of a full CGI movie) should not be "required" to make a good movie. It is no substitute for a good plot, storytelling, acting and directing. It can enhance a movie tremendously and help with the immersion, but it cannot automatically make a bad movie good. Unless amazing CGI is all you care and want from it, like James Camerons Avatar. Meh story, but with amazing visuals that drew people to the cinema in droves. Suicide Squad does not have that same amount of CGI awesomeness to make up for mediocre storytelling and directing.
@@neosildrake I'm not saying that CGI is required to make a good movie, what i'm saying is that CGI is required to make certain kind of movies regardless of the quality.
Just compare LOTRs to The Hobbit, the later one is filled with tons of CGI and LOTRs tries to avoid using CGI as much as possible and LOTRs is indeed a lot better than The Hobbit.
But my point here is that if you would swap the productions of The Hobbit and LOTRs and have LOTRs be produced with mainly CGI and The Hobbit without, you would get almost the same results and LOTRs would still be the better movie.
Also imagine LOTRs without any CGI at all, because even tho they tried to avoid using it as much as possible, there is still CGI in the movie.
"And you're boring."
I just about popped a rib at that last one. 😂
We are just going to ignore dark Phoenix as a movie and pretend Logan was the final film in the X-men trilogy. Pretty sure everyone is gonna agree
I'd call it the wolverine trilogy cause his 3 movies were so good
@@paulvarus859 the first one wasnt
@@Garyllaz that's subjective
@@mooseboombastic8175 No, I don't agree. Dark Phoenix is better than X Men 1,2, 3, 4 and 5 and better than the first two Wolverine films.
@@ericcoyle3520 OMG ur dumb dark Phoenix is horrible absolutely horrible
Ultimately the difference between the DCEU and the MCU will always be the people who are behind it... MCU people are comic book people and know their characters and the source material extremely well, so they know how to capture the essence of the characters in each movie. MCU people are focused on making a good Marvel movie/ comic book movie for the fans... not as much for the masses (which is why I think they have been so widely liked by everyone). The DCEU people are just movie producers and continue to try and focus on making a movie with comic book characters in it, but continue to fail at understanding the source material (and characters) or try to make a good comic book movie. Zach Snyder even responded to much of the criticism against him by saying things like "I guess people don't want their comic book heroes deconstructed" and other idiotic statements like that. Overall, the DCEU casting has been pretty good, but they continue to portray the characters or use the characters in a way that seems counter-intuitive or at least just a bit "off" of how most people expect them to act. The constant scowl on Superman's face is one great example... he is not a dark and brooding character, he is a boy scout. He doesn't have to be super cheesy or anything to come off that way... contrast Superman with how they did Captain America (an equally cheesy boy scout type) in the MCU. You got the point about Cap being a boy scout, but without making him cheesy and without having him always scowling or brooding.
In a way the Marvel Comics Heroes were already deconstructed. Spider-Man is a teenager that is overwhelmed at the responsibility of being a hero, the Fantastic Four, Guardians of the Galaxy, Avengers and X-Men all are teams that operate like a family when they are not in battle. They are real people with superpowers.
Kevin F. May not be from the comics, but he was a fan before he took control and understands how to make these movies work.
Such a good point Rex
The only point I’d pick at is your comparison of Cap to Superman. They are completely different people. I’d argue that Cap’s past gave him more room and justification to be a dark and brooding character with a lot more internal conflicts. I agree though I think they could’ve taken him down a bit of a better path.... but he’ll that could be on Chris Evans too 🤷♂️.
I believe Jame Gunn made both of these movies...the problem comes down to taste. Marvel and the MCU is a colorful, fun, and generally laid back universe. DC was made to be dark and mysterious. I mean look at the two icons of the companies. Batman is typically seen as the face of DC and Captain America is typically the face of Marvel. Costume differences, back story differences, the way the characters carry themselves. It's really a matter of tastes. Families and Kids are not into this dark and brood world filed with violence and gore. I have my preferences but i dont stand for a bad movie. DC has always had this bad track record and i think a lot of people agree that The Dark Knight was probably the BEST DC film out of everything. Another problem im seeing is DC cant hire a decent director. Except James Gunn of course
R S correction. James Gunn made GotG. Not suicide squad. That’s David Ayer. Gunn will be making the sequel/reboot of Suicide squad tho.
Best DC film: Wonder Woman, hands down. Aquaman was also amazing and the Dark Knight trilogy.
Yeah, if you want to watch CA: The First Avenger in female version.
vaandor1 It’s not. It’s similar as they both take place in WWII, but 2 different stories.
vaandor1 Wonder Woman is what Captain America should’ve been. That first Cap movie was so boring
@@spyjonsachurin2101 Wonder Woman takes place in WWI, not WWII.
revelwoodie Ah my bad
I think 'The dark knight' was the best movie ever made in DC. It was so perfect, it had a great actor played as a strong antagonist. The protagonist had high stakes and challenges ahead which makes the story more interesting
The whole Harley/Joker love story in this movie is totally messing up their character dynamic. The Joker loves no one but psychopathic-ally tricks Harley into sticking around by saying he cares. However, in this movie he is shown obsessing over her and going out of his way to save her. Now, for her second movie, what part of that lends to her wanting to leave "Mr.J"? Poor setup for next outing.
"Vintage pop music"
Plays queen
I wasnt ready to be attacked today
It's one of the finest vintages, are you serious?
Samael Merihem it’s not pop tho😂
Pop, popular music. Which it was, and still is. Pop music doesn't equal bad music... Just music people in general enjoy
@@boukepeike7649 Define Queen's genre for me, as succinctly and as accurately as you are able.
@@tunnjessica it doesn't make a difference to younger people now, but it was considered Rock, way more edgy, Pop music would have been more syrupy or bubble-gumy crooner or love songs like Shaun Cassidy's DaDoRonRon or Rod Stuart's Tonight's the Night or ABBAs Dancing Queen. Music has more divergence than there was back then, and the nuances between genres may be lost on younger folks, but were big then. There were crossover songs, but queen would not have been considered "POP", a distinct genre with certain characteristics.
“The color palette of a nickleback video”is the best description for that dull ass movie so accurate lol
I'm sick of hearing the infinity stones described as McGuffins. They're not, they are integral to the plot of the movies they are in, they can not be substituted without destroying the narrative. They are almost characters themselves.
A McGuffin is an object that is irrelevant to the plot and merely serves as a motivation to get the protagonist off the couch and further the plot. The best McGuffins are often forgotten about by the end of the first act.
The classic example of a McGuffin is the Maltese Falcon. What it is, is irrelevant. It could just as easily be a bag of cash, a painting, secret plans. Any item that the characters might covet, that would drive them to kill.
My favourite example though, is the brief case in Pulp Fiction. It drives so much of the story, yet we don't even find out what's in it. And we don't need to, because the story isn't about the contents of a brief case.
a gold Stan Lee was in the briefcase
No one really knows what a MacGuffin is anymore. Even George Lucas gets it wrong ( I'm SHOCKED!). To the point that it's meaning has probably changed to reflect it's common mis-usage just as the word "hopefully" has.
Examples of real MacGuffins: The briefcase from Repo-man and it's reappearance in Pulp Fiction. The Statue in the Maltese Falcon. A true MG can be replaced with anything else and the story would not change, as it has no plot related function. This is what actually makes it a MacGuffin rather than another storytelling device i.e. its uselessness.
But the term has come to mean anything that searched for, hunted, or chased down through a storyline.
Isnt MacGuffin an hamburguer
A macguffin is not irrelevant to the plot. It simply isn’t the main action of the plot. What it is does matter; it is not just a placeholder. I think you are misinterpreting the significance of a macguffin and therefore have no argument to make actually. It’s significance depends on HOW THE FILM USES IT. Therefore, sometimes it can seem insignificant and sometimes it can be very meaningful. That’s why people use the term differently.
@@wherearetgepoank1117 that’s incorrect. It can not be replaced with anything without changing significant elements of the character, dialogue, and action. It is secondary but not useless or irrelevant.
Im so much addicted to Marvel movies. There is something that I only feel while watching marvel movies and not other movies but I didn’t know what is that. And now you explained everything 😁
Exactly
Bcoz it connects to heart. This movie made us cry for a tree at end to whom we only knew for 2 hours
Thier character is very reletable
Because they are all in a massive interconnected universe. DCEU fails on so many levels at trying to mimic that. And yeah the I really agree with the main criticism when it comes to DC's avengers-like film. Justice League is way too rushed with little preparation
Oh my god "and you're boring" just killed me 😂
Please tell me what movie that scene was from! 😱😁
I really love how this guy brings up the similarities among movies.
It's almost as if he just knows them in and out.
The bit with Rocket shooting from Groot's shoulder convinced me to give Guardians a chance. Did not regret it at all.
5:18 "Clear individual goals"
_Rocket staring at that poor bastards leg_
lmao
Harley is the only reason anybody watched suicide squad.
Nah Diablo was the only one to actually complete any sort of character arc.
@@hammerhiem75 But Diablo didn't have a cute ass
@@jacksfather I watched it because of the familiar badguy names. But I did not find harley attractive at all. The scene where she undresses was completely wasted on me as I thought she just looked like a board with a bra strapped to it. Way to flat.
@@BleadDAnger who are you to critique a woman's body? NO ONE CARES
@@hammerhiem75 Harley's Butt is the reason people watched suicide squad*
One thing I like about the MCU is that there’s a deep lore and every movie takes a part for it. Even after Endgame, there’s more that’s going to come
That last scene where Harley embraces her former abuser back into her life after realizing that she is fine on her own was the last straw that broke this movie's metaphorical back...
EDIT: Spelling
But isn't that what she normally does? I think that could have been really effective if the writers and director had any idea what they were doing.
@@sjbrooksy45 If they had left out that scene and just enough joker flashbacks to hint at the nature of her relationship then it would have almost been enough
I'm with sjbrooksy45. That could've been really powerful if they'd spent the movie showing her struggling to break free of the Joker's hold on her, and at the end, just when it looks like she might grow into her own independent person? He reappears and she falls back into old habits. That scene would've been a proper gutpunch if they'd laid the groundwork properly. But they didn't.
@@irrevenant3 I would have like a more hopeful ending but I agree that compared to the current movie any thought out plot line would have been better
@@paulb4334 That's a matter of personal preference rather than quality, though. Having a tragic ending wouldn't make the film *bad.* Some very great movies have had tragic endings. Being a good ending is more about the movie having *earned* it.
Title: "The Scene that Explains Why Gaurdians Worked and Suicide Squad didn't"
Video: A breakdown of all the differences between the movies. So ...every scene?
I think "the" scene was supposed to be the first true fight scene. He just also included explaining the buildup that got us to it, why one setup worked better in 40 minutes than the other did in 60.
Clickbait title baits clicks.
One of these groups were not responsible for wiping out "half the universe".
The scene where Rocket & Groot get introduced, along with the Macguffin, Gamora's motivation, and the Nova Corps. Most efficient intro of characters ever. Pure Nicole Perlman. She does a similar trick in Captain Marvel, twice.
The first fight scene as a team is the scene they are talking about
"And you're boring!"
Awesome🤣🤣🤣
I didn't dislike suicide squad, i actually really enjoyed it the first time i watched it. But the more i thought and talked about it i realized something wasn't quite right. Thank you now i know what it was!
Awesome video!!
"With the color palette of a Nickleback video..." Ouch! But remarkably so true.
I absolutely love how you interspersed "you're boring" into your video. That was luscious!
What's the footage from?
3:00
As a X-Men comics fan, yes, absolutely yes. Thank you someone for saying it!
It's insane that Dark Phoenix is the only film to touch on Scott and Ororo's friendship.
Oh yeah. I want to see a much better series of X men movies, Hire Nicole Perlman, she is the only writer who has proved that she can introduce huge numbers of characters and complicated backgrounds (Kree Skrull War!) really quickly.
@@loginssuckx3 she has like five film credits. I wouldn't say yes but I won't say no either. -not that it's really up to me.
The problem with the X-Men is that there is no main character. Depending on the arc, one or two characters might get more focus than the others, but I honestly think it will be a challenge to get right in film form. The comics introduced Storm, Colossus, and Nightcrawler -and threw in a barely developed Wolverine- all at once and expanded on the characters slowly piece by piece as they lived and fought together, even giving Cyclops a great character arc over several issues. Even a lot of comic book writers suck at juggling the team and end up picking a favorite or two and barely giving the others a line. I'd rather they just do a new cartoon series, honestly. -a more mature one like DC does. Live action if they can manage it.
Kendra T That Team also had Banshee, Sunfire and Thunderbird... Which went and rescued the mostly original X-Men Havok, Marvel Girl, Iceman, Angel and Polaris.
Kendra T You basically said what I was thinking, except you don’t like what I was thinking. Personally I think it’s good that the X-Men doesn’t have a main character. Every character matters just as much as the next. One X-Men comic can focus on the struggles of “this” character or these couple of characters, while another can focus on others. I do understand your point though and I agree that the movies could and should do them more justice as far as their interactions go.
Would have been cool if the Blob-Monsters couldnt normally die and would quickly restore any damage. Katana would be crucial to stop them, since her blade absorbs the soul and kills them for good, while the others can incapacitate them.
It would force the group to work together and put an actual risk upon them.
Yeah, the problem with that scene is that they literally have no risk put on them whatsoever
Omg, I didn't realize how much these two movies are the same
And yet worlds apart.
@@honolulublues5548 Zactly