This is funny, but the real reason is when they were shooting EP3 George shot a new scene with Hayden and didn't even tell him what the scene was for, Lucas just told Hayden to smile and look at the camera for a few seconds, Hayden said had he known exactly what the scene was for he would've acted it out better than giving us that weird stare we got.
Your review is spot on. Vader saying "No" just ruined the whole scene. He didn't have to speak. We could see his emotions and his thoughts by his body language. That's what made it so good.
And add to that it was the exact same NOOOOO from ROTS. All it did was remind the viewers of one of the most laughable scenes in an otherwise pretty solid movie.
Vader screaming " noooooooo!" In return of the jedi was only in the blu ray release and onward. Vader is silent in The special edition box set from 2004
A billion dollar idea. A version of the trilogy on streaming / blu ray where you can jump between the different versions mid-movie. So If you’re watching EP4 and know the jabba scene is coming up, just jump to the pre-special edition that doesn’t have it.
@@mythenmetzermewtufreund128 Wouldn't be too difficult to play the full soundtrack while the movie is going... although there are some scenes where there's complete silence so I guess you'd have to modify it to add in some silent pauses for those. Also, the Imperial March is played out from start to finish in the OST while in the movie, they use various pieces of it as the shots go back and forth between scenes.
And SAME about the chills regarding YUB NUB chorus transitioning into the SW theme during the credits... I remember seeing the Special Editions as a kid and being so utterly disappointed with the changes made to RETURN because it felt so flat and lifeless compared to the genuine charm of the original Ewok celebration ending. I understand Lucas's obsessive compulsion to fix things as an artist/filmmaker myself, but honestly sometimes things are good enough as-is. It's often the quirks of an older film that gives it that unique charm and a certain special vibe and when you tamper too much, you can lose some of what made that thing "what it was"...
If Lucas really cared, he wouldn't have cut the story down to 3 movies and kept on going like they originally planned. Maybe the fact that he kept toying with the originals is him trying to make up for that HUGE mistake. I get that he wanted to be a father and didn't want his life dedicated to Star Wars but he really screwed us by not just giving up some of his control and letting others continue the stories on under his light supervision. And then he comes back super-effects heavy and gives us a lackluster storyline for the prequels. AND THEN sells to Disney because of his all or nothing need for control. I get it. I'm a business owner and I don't like trusting other people but he really ended up screwing us many times over.
Yep I saw ROTJ in theaters for the 40th anniversary this week. And it was almost as bad as replacing the late Sebastian Shaw with Hayden Christensen. Nothing against Hayden Christensen; he did the best he could with Lucas' bad script. But, his appearance as Anakin is so out of place at the end of ROTJ
Just makes me appreciate my pristine Harmy Unaltered Theatrical Release Blu-Ray versions of ALL three original films. I also have the grindhouse versions on Blu as well. These were ripped right from a release print, with scratches, pops, cigarette burns for reel changes and all the other glorious imperfections of physical film.
Same I show my kids the originals none of this special edition bullshit. Han shot 1st he's not a pussy and the musical scene redone in Jabba's palace god awful.
Remember when for Blade Runner's 25th anniversary there was that box set released that had all 5 versions of the film that had been released over the years, even including the original audience preview test screening cut. Plus some documentaries that were actually interesting and rewatchable. Probably the best box set I've yet seen for a movie. That's the sort of set I dream of having for the Star Wars o.t. I know it will never happen but I can still dream! 🤣
I have that set too! Also, it’s an example of what to do on using cgi to fix things where Scott only fixed technical issues and not overstuff every scene with cgi.
@@Bulletsandblockbusters Just like you said in the video, it's fantastic to have the choice of versions. Plus the Final Cut is just brilliant - a special edition done right!
There's a hundred SOUND changes to the Special Editions, particular the first movie, that you barely notice but help the movie. The sound mix was a bit of a rush job and the Special Edition added or changed a ton of sounds that were basically missing.
Except those sounds were originally there… in the original mono audio. The “original” versions you are talking about are the STEREO versions that have a lot of missing audio. As much as I HATE the Special Editions, they did restore a lot of the missing sounds such as the “close the blast doors” line from the storm trooper
It’s the same movies! I recently rewatched them in the “original” version with which I grew up btw, and I find these changes relatively superficial. All Lucas is doing is immerse you more in the world he created and also making them work better as a single piece. And that’s what the prequels are, love it or hate it, they are now the first half of the story of which the OT was made the second half. Changes being made retroactively is very common in the arts: Watchmen was recoloured in 2005, Tolkien rewrote pieces of The Hobbit, as did Rowling pieces of her Harry Potter novels. Serialised comic books get redrawn, recoloured or re-edited all the time for the collected or absolute editions, even Michelangelo would repaint the ceiling of the cisteen chapel and Da Vince kept working on the Mona Lisa 20 years (for the rest of his life) and even then the Mona Lisa we know might even have been a second or third attempt, a remake. Going back to film: Coppola removes or re-edits entire sections of his movies, as long as 58 minutes, Kubrick retroactively took out scenes of The Shining and 2001 and had those destroyed!, Woody Allen even reshot sizeable parts of his films and in the case of one even the entire film itself. What Lucas is doing - adding some additional visual effects shots and maybe another actor for consistency - is very, very tame. Some Star Wars fans really need to get over themselves, really. Watch the films for what they are not for what you want them to be. Shoutout to Rick Worley who is far more comprehensive about all this than I ever could be! Check out his Star Wars videos if you really want to understand what is going on with the prequels and the changes and why most people, especially RLM, are wrong about Star Wars.
I didn't even realise Vader shouted "no" so mustn't have seen the Special Edition of Jedi. What a terrible addition; and yet another example of breaking the storytelling maxim of "show, don't tell". The fact we could infer the turmoil of Vader through a mask, like more recent Mando scenes, is a difficult thing to pull off but great when it works! And I agree wholeheartedly with the comment on Han and Greedo: it thoroughly undermines his character arc from rogue to hero of the rebellion
I don't think you understand the meaning of 'show don't tell'. A lot of people don't get it, because they believe bullshit they are told on the internet, by people who are just spouting the same information. "thoroughly undermines his character arc", oh please. Why are people that make and watch these videos so dense?
@@Ruylopez778 Sounds more like your being dense with this ridiculous comment. If you have nothing nice to say, don’t say anything at all. Your comment literally has no purpose for existing…
Vader didn't yell "NO!" in the original Special Edition, which may be the version you're thinking of. The Special Editions were a work in progress over several versions until we got what we're stuck with today.
They are definitely NOT the definitive versions. Nothing will be until the original films are actually restored. But the closest to definitive in 2023 is the OohTeeDee versions. He actually worked with Harmy's edits a bit, but used better sources. (4K Disney source, plus film reels). No DVD parts had to be upscaled. The quality is somewhere between 1080p and 4K, where the old Despecialized are only 720p. Check 'em out!
I consider the 4K77, 4K80 and 4K83 versions the definitive versions today. These were mostly direct transfers from original prints of the movies. While I appreciate all the work Harmy put into 'despecialising' the films, I don't believe you can beat prints from original versions with versions that have been 'digitally improved' then had the changes reversed.
I don't like the new Emperor because of the story changes, And because the makeup doesn't match Return of the Jedi. Things like fixing the landspeeder in Star Wars, or the cardboard cutouts in the throne room are fine. Fixing the disappearing Snow Speeder cockpit in Empire also is fine. I hate removing Boba Fett's original voice In TESB.. I'm fine with adding Coruscant and the Jedi Temple. I get why Lucas made all these changes he was changing the scope of the films to match the prequel. Expanding the universe.
That bugs me about Revenge Of The Sith, too. He looks more like Gary Oldman's Dracula than RotJ Palpatine. To be fair to the ESB scene though, the original version didn't match his RotJ look either.
Yeah, the emperor in the special edition Ep 5 looks way too clean and bright and like his Ep 3 look. George Lucas wanted him to finally match how he is in Ep 6 but failed to actually make him look like how he actually did in Ep 6.
The look of the Emperor didn't bug me nearly as much as the line delivery. Seemed very subdued compared to the Episode VI and prequel Palpatine. As if he'd been smoking the same spice that Jabba smoked right before Han Solo stepped on his tail with impunity.
I agree with all your points here. What really bothers me however is that all these changes have drastically reduced the times I've rewatched the trilogy on Blu-ray. These were once some of the most rewatchable films ever made. Now, my enthusiasm is dampened because I have to see Han stepping over Jabba's tail, etc. It annoys me so much that I don't rewatch nearly as often as I normally would. Yes, I have the HD despecialized trilogy on my computer but it's not the same, especially for those of us who love to collect official Blu-ray releases.😢
Sebastian Shaw should have been in Revenge The Of Sith for For the special edtuon that They would have begin to film in 1992 Before he died And then the film of revenge yourself would have to be resumed in 2003 To be completed with CGI.
The biggest problem with the Hayden force ghost is that it doesn't make any sense. Obi-Wan and Yoda's force ghosts appear as the age they were at death. Watching the movie. You just saw Vader demasked at his death. So why would his force ghost appear as a young man?
_Obi-Wan and Yoda's force ghosts appear as the age they were at death_ Yoda and Obi-Wan were never corrupted by the dark side, so why should they revert to their younger selves? _You just saw Vader demasked at his death_ You saw the disfigured face of a dying man who was burned to a crisp when he was young, and then spent the rest of his life in a suit while being slowly consumed by the dark side that deteriorates the body and makes it age prematurely. Of course Vader unmasked would look pale and old and frail... _So why would his force ghost appear as a young man?_ Why would his Force ghost appear as a 78-year-old grandpa that looks older than Obi-Wan, when Anakin was only 46 when he died? It's clearly established in ANH and ROTJ that Anakin was still very young when he became Vader. Shaw as Anakin's Force ghost never made any sense in the first place and contradicted everything we'd been told about the character. At least, Hayden Christensen represents the promising young Jedi that Anakin used to be at some point, before he turned to the dark side...
Even before knowing about the change, I was confused why a younger Anakin is a force ghost alongside an older Obi-Wan and Yoda. I don't think Hayden Christian was bad in his role, but it just felt so off to having him there when we know he wasn't there in the 80s.
@@Megrez-Alberich Because Anakin was redeemed at the end. His act of redemption put him back to the light side, and he should have appeared as he did at the moment
@@SamuSamuWa There's still no reason why Anakin's Force ghost should look like an 80-year-old grandpa when Anakin was canonically in his mid-40s when he died after redeeming himself. Or do you mean that even as a ghost, he should have looked old and frail, bald, with dark lines under his eyes and scar tissue on his head?
The party at the end of RotJ should only be on Endor. The rest of the galaxy doesn't know the Emperor is dead. And they won't know if the the Empire which isn't dead, has their say. The governors are still there, and they have enough troops to keep their subjects in line. And Lucas didn't want the Wampa to be scary when he did the Special Editions. That's why he showed it. And it sucks.
Yub nub makes way more sense in RotJ. The focus was always supposed to be on the heroes in the end-the victory celebration song disconnects the audience completely from what’s happening on screen with the main characters. Yub Nub fits the scene better. That’s how a contained story works, even if it’s part of a saga.
Exactly I agree totally. Showing all the celebrations on all these planets still held by the empire would get all those people shot made no sense. the original ending was perfect even if you hated the Ewoks it wrapped everything up correctly.
Actually, I like the change on the Han's running from the troopers scene in A New Hope. In the original movie there's only a couple of soldier there, that he could easily shoot and keep running, and was almost the same number of soldiers that were chansing him, so doesn't make sense he just deciding to just give up and return. By adding an entire squad the fact that he decides to run away instead of facing them makes much more sense. And the shot goes so fast that is really hard to notice the copy and paste, specially because stormtroopers are ment to look alike each other.
The creature crossing the shot in Mos Eisley is called the Ronto. The Dewback is the animal that the Stormtroopers ride. I understand the mistake tho. They're both lizard things. Great vid.
I remember everyone in the audience gasped when they saw the new jabba palace music scene. It was so bad that people couldn't help but be shocked by it because the character literally breaks the fourth wall.
@@capitanpastabase6342 No they don't. For a split second you might be able to claim Sy Snootles glances at the camera but it's when the camera is on a close up of her lips, The backup singers do not look at the camera.
Luke's reunion with Biggs in the Yavin hanger was the best and only necessary change. It should never have been cut in the first place. I remember being SO CONFUSED as a child, why the film treats the death of this one particular pilot as so much more important, when others have been blowing up left and right. I didn't learn for several years that oh yeah this is Luke's childhood buddy that he mentions early in the movie. Just keeping that one scene would have made a huge difference to me. I also appreciate the opened-up Cloud City, especially the windows in the interior shots. I think that's a huge improvement, the original seems so claustrophobic now. The airiness of the upper city now makes a nicer contrast with the basement levels where Luke fights Vader. There is no reason to ever watch the special edition of RotJ. None.
Removing Yub Nub killed the ending of Return of the Jedi for me. I like showing other planets but not at the expense of the song and the transition into the Star Wars theme. That was gold. Now it feels much cheaper.
End of return was COMPLETELY destroyed in the special edition. There is no indication anywhere that would suggest that the Empire would just crumble everywhere when the Death star II was destroyed. There would have been Imperial troops on all of these worlds and who controlled all of the information? The Empire.
It's why it's cool to see stuff like The Mandalorian now, to show that the empire was still sort of around, like a cancer, on every world, for a long time.
I don’t believe for a second that the Special Editions are “the way Lucas originally intended the films to be”. If that was true, he wouldn’t keep making change after change, sometimes to the same scene.
The added cgi shockwaves from the destruction of both Deathstar's really irritates me. They're spheres. The shockwaves should expand in every direction outwards from the internal explosions, not on a flat plane as they do in the special editions. Sadly they've made this mistake ubiquitous in cinema and it's just wrong! Also I miss all the shoddiness of the original such as the stormtrooper who bangs his head on the door frame in the Deathstar and Mark Hamill shouting "Carrie" when he gets out of the X-Wing. The mistakes left in the original were perfect drinking game material.
Lucas is leaving a bounty of cash untapped by not releasing the OT in HD. At least we have dedicated fans like those at Project 4k77, to fill that void. And for another take on special editions, the work of Adywan is mighty.
I mostly agree with what you have presented here. So much of it seems so unnecessary. For every positive tweak that was done, there were 3-5 more additions and changes that were crappy, unneeded or just plain bad. And let's not forget: the original Star Wars movie won academy awards for it's special effects, sound design and editing (among others). For those reasons alone they shouldn't have been "tweaked" or modified. When you do that, you destroy a historical record. I saw the original trilogy all in theaters during their original releases, so I am a bit biased. Some of the changes did work (space battles, some of the Cloud City backgrounds, etc), but so many didn't and just make the movie something less than they were originally.
Good video. You are correct in how jarring it is to have garish visual prequel reminders in the OT. Lucas’ incessant desire to not have the original cuts available was/is utterly bizarre. The only changes I liked from any of the films were the Biggs scene in the original and the Emperor scene in Empire, although the version of that scene in the Adywan revisited cut is the definitive one imo. Original dialogue with VI Emperor.
I'm mostly with you, except the "garrison" scene where Han Solo runs into a hanger full of storm troopers. While I agree the shot could've been done better (maybe him running into a barracks or something), the original kind of makes Han look like a coward as he's only chasing a few troopers and when then turn around to fight he starts to run. The latter however, just makes it seem like he got caught up in the moment.
Saying "Han shot first" is a common complaint about the SE changes but it's not accurate. In the original version, Han shot. Period. Greedo never even got a shot off. That's technically correct - the best kind of correct.
For a character whose masked and expressionless Vader at the end of Jedi conveyed a ton of emotion thanks to the music and the build up to the scene. It almost feels like they were trolling us with the No addition
6:10 you literally already see it in an earlier shot, I don’t see a problem with it eating the TonTons remains, because it does a good job signifying that Luke is next also no way you didn’t mention the “bring my shuttle” line in empire in ugly changes
Agreed with all the positives and negatives here. New VFX can work well if it's touching up something subtle, but the Special Editions do flat-out scene replacements, and it does look terrible. Personally, I didn't grow up on the original cuts (I didn't really get into Star Wars until my late teens), but would still prefer to see them than the Special Editions. Or at least with the intrusive CGI shots removed.
It’s kinda funny how the 20-something years of drama and vitriol over the special editions would flat out just not exist if George Lucas had any common sense and allowed both the updated and original versions of the films to be available. Like yeah people would probably still criticise the updated versions, but it wouldn’t be anywhere near as immense because they’d still have the option of seeing the films as originally released. The blu-ray releases for Star Trek and Doctor Who have special edition changes but unlike with Star Wars they actually let you still see the original versions too, and that’s how it should be with any tv show or film that gets changed.
My first time ever seeing Star wars was the 1997 Special Edition, so it has a special place in my heart, only change from that version I really dispise is the scream added when luke jumps into hole in Cloud City. It makes one of the most emotional scenes in the saga fucking hilarious
I also don’t like how they went back to change boba fett’s voicelines. I get it for the sake of continuity but is old voice was way cooler and should’ve been left alone
Replacing LAPTI NEK is an unforgivable sin. ROTJ was originally my favorite and employs some good VFX fixes but so much stupid bullshit in the Special Editions...
I've heard about how Lucas thought about adding a bit in later versions of ROTJ where we'd see Boba Fett flying out of the pit using his jetpack. Lucas stating that had he known how popular a character Boba Fett would become, he wouldn't have killed him off like he did originally.
So glad somebody else hated, as much as I do, the Vader yelling "Noooooo" when saving Luke in ROTJ. Ruins an epic moment especially because it drowns out the beautiful return of the Skywalker theme used for Anakin once again.
No one ever seems to mention the THX versions that came out maybe a year or so before the special editions which had boosted FX & no extra scenes… I had these on VHS in the 90s & they were in my opinion the optimum versions. Nowadays I just watch the bonus dvd editions of the original theatrical releases, which are good enough for me…. although I’d love the THX dvds of these.
Ugggh!! You don't need to watch those. You can watch the original trilogy in 1080 and 4K. Very talented fans have restored the original versions of the trilogy with very high-quality sources. Just google it -- Star Wars, Despecialized, 4k77, 4k80, 4k83, and OohTeeDee. Three different projects, with 3 different methods of restoring the original trilogy. I never need to see the awful Special Editions again.
I could definitely live without the special edition version of Jabba's Palace Also, Lucas putting some kind of agreement in the Disney purchase would make alot of sense on why we haven't gotten the theatrical versions of the OT
I'm always baffled about how they got CGI Jabba so incredibly *wrong*. He's the wrong shape. The wrong proportions. His eyes are the wrong color (how hard could it have been to give him his red eyes??) His skin is the wrong color and has weird black blotches that shouldn't be there. Everybody's like "oh he doesn't look real" and somehow nobody seems to notice he's totally changed from his Jedi appearance.
I personally don’t understand the special edition hate, but I’m a younger guy who didn’t see the originals in theaters, so if someone would explain to me the hate I would love that. There’s a few changes I don’t like, but overall, I don’t get the hate over some the changes, they don’t hurt my enjoyment of the movie in any way, and I feel like people overreact to some of the changes, but like I said, I would love for someone to explain it to me.
They have an obsessive attachment to their childhood and really arent that big of fans of Star Wars. To be fair, none of the changes are correcting any major technical filmmaking flaws or major flaws in the story telling, but these people are ridiculous when they go and try to say that they are 100% unnecessary. The reason for much of the changes are obvious.
The added slapstick with the Jawas and droids in Mos Eisley feels tonally discordant with the rest of A New Hope. Same with the reshot song in Jedi, or Han weirdly stepping on Jabba's tail. A lot of the CGI looks cheap and unconvincing. And changing Han's character by sloppily making Greedo shooting first. Or lowering the tension in the wampa scene or the slave girl death by showing more of the cave or monster. Or adding a pointless scene of Vader walking to his shuttle, which slows down ESB's climax. These are all examples of bad filmmaking. I'm not sure what happened to George Lucas over the years, but he somehow lost touch with the more subtle style which defined his first few films.
@@natef5181 i would agree with most of those, but I don’t get how those ruin the movie for people and they’re determined to only watch the original versions.
Idk why but a change that was unnecessary but really bad has to be the change of Vaders line in ESB. It used to be “bring my shuttle” which was said in a subtle pissed off way but was changed to some long line that was no where near as impactful.
I agree with you 💯 % on this. I LOVED Fett’s original voice, so dark…so menacing…so cold. No doubt this was a factor that made him so popular in the first place. It was nothing short of an absolute travesty to have changed it.
If Lucas had the technology he wanted for Star Wars he'd be flipping burgers today! Much like Spielberg with not having the technology to show the actual shark 🦈 it made the movie an absolute masterpiece!! Lucas was saved by the same lack of technology for Star wars and Empire movies!
Maybe not flipping burgers, but I imagine him being a professor of a film program at some random state college if StarWars didnt happen. Done with the movie making biz. Not to be harsh because yes he had a few good films under his belt, but godamn the more I learn about SW production behind the scenes the more im amazed at what we got was actually good lol
@@sergeantbigmac If Star Wars wasn't a success or didn't happe, then we wouldn't have Industrial Light & Magic or Skywalker Sound and so a lot of classic blockbusters from the 80s to nowadays wouldn't have been made or maybe they would have been way different.
@@jesustovar2549 Wow yes I cant believe this didnt occur to me, thats a very very good point. ILM is groundbreaking in the industry and the one everyone is familiar with, but less people know about his work to establish consistent high quality sound in movie theatres and the THX soundsystem! (Which I loved when that titlecard popped up before a movie because I loved to hum along with it when I was a kid lol)
What never made sense to me about adding Haydn in as a Jedi ghost, is that Luke never met that version. Yoda appears old and tattered, as he did when he died. So, did Obi-Wan. That's how Luke knew them. If you think about it, why didn't Lucas replace Alec Guinness with Ewan MacGregor? And don't say that Lucas wanted to show Anakin as the good version. Because he died as the good version after he turned from the dark side. The ratty-haired version of Anakin as a ghost was exactly how he looked when he murdered a bunch of children. The real reason for all of the problems is that Lucas is not a good director. He's not a good screenwriter. He's not a good producer. He's not a good editor. He IS a good storyteller and world-builder, and that's all he should have done. Of the 6 Star Wars films that Lucas had a hand in, Empire is usually regarded as the best by fans. It's also the one that he had the least input in. What does that tell you?
I think the good version argument can still be made since jedi choose which way they project themselves as force ghosts so it makes sense for Anakin to return to being the hero of the clone wars. Yes this is the form he murdered kids in, strangled his wife and took down the peace of the republic. At the same time this was also the loving partner of padme, the pilot ace and the chosen one
You are confusing changes that were made for the 1997 Special Editions with later changes that were made for DVD and Blu-Ray. For example, Vader does not scream 'Noooo' in 1997. I think that was added for the Blu-Ray release. Lucas had not written Episode III in 1997, so the 'Nooo' had not formed in his mind yet.
He couldn’t ruin Star Wars. Star Wars was created and made by him. As a artist of any kind he could make something you didn’t like and that’s your opinion, that your entitled too. but he couldn’t ruin it that doesn’t make any sense. Especially in the case of this since it’s a story and what makes it so popular is that it’s a story and a great story. Adding or editing scenes doesn’t make it a different story. Maybe there’s something to say here (that’s been said a billion times at this point) but “ruin” isn’t the right word
George has changed these movies many times. Not all of these changes are from the 1997 Special Editions. For example, putting Hayden Christensen into ROTJ didn’t happen until the 2004 DVD releases. That is also the same time Ian McDiarmid was added to ESB. Vader’s “NO” was added in the 2011 edition.
@@Bulletsandblockbusters , which is strange because the trailer for Empire had a different Luke scream but then the finished film in 1980 didn't have it. The Vader noooo thing i swear was added just to mess with people who hated it in Revenge of the Sith. Like Lucas walking around the set of Crystal Skull wearing a Han shot first shirt when he had Han shoot second. And he knows it is the single most hated scene. Like saying Jar Jar is his favorite character and Empire Strikes Back is the worst movie.
This video is pretty much on-point for how I feel. The only thing I would disagree with is the Hayden Christensen insert at the end. I feel that it's appropriate, as the original actor who played Vader without the mask isn't really a face that we as an audience have much emotional connection to, since he is only shown to us a couple scenes earlier. I think it was appropriate and correct to add Hayden.
Lucas actually fixed the shot showing Obi-Wan's lightsaber prop for the unreleased 3D edition, which was later repurposed for the Disney+ and 4K releases. Although the wire is still visible when he ignites it.
He can't ruin his own creative output. That's kind of the glory of it being yours, you can do what you want to it. Jackson Pollock couldn't easily have taken paint to a gallery and added to one of his paintings, because he was no longer to owner .. but GL didn't hand over ownership sooo... We were just renting his movies from him
@@Bulletsandblockbusters I mean yeah, now he did. But during the 90s he was just playing with his toys and we were at his mercy 😂 he was improving on his work, in his eyes. I just feel bad that Spielberg was inspired to do it too and removed the guns from ET 🤦🏻♂️
Imagine if Disney started making LARGE changes to the original trilogy, inserting random characters, changing dialog, etc. You want to start a civil war, that could do it.
IMO the THX optimized version of the trilogy is the best one. It keeps everything as it is in the original trilogy, but it's audio and video have been cleaned up.
What always bothered me were those little changes to Empire Strikes Back. It was the movie that needed the least amount of tweaking and yet got more than its share. The two I hated the most: 1) For no reason at all, the line that Luke says to R2D2 when he is spit out of the monster was changed from. "You're lucky you don't taste very good," to "You were lucky to get out of there." A much more banal and generic line. 2) The sequence where Darth Vader leaves Cloud City and goes to his ship after fighting and losing Luke, is much longer and unnecessarily on the nose than it was originally. In the original version, you just have a shot of him walking through the hallway saying, "Bring my shuttle." In the new version, there's a whole series of shots showing him leave, get into his shuttle, fly to the ship, and get out of the shuttle. Like an old Hollywood transition before editing was refined. His line is even changed to, "Inform the ship that I'm on the way blah blah blah."
Lucas did do exactly that. In the sale to Disney, one of the stipulations is that the originals would never, ever be re-released. That's why the De-Specialized Editions are vital.
I really like Han Solo running into a hangar full of stormtroopers instead of chasing them to a dead end, it really makes his surprised reaction work. So far, though, I prefer fan edits like Adywan and his ongoing Star Wars: Revisited project.
The creator of something can’t ruin a story he created. Perhaps for a different audience. Said made Star Wars for kids. Well kids grew up and suddenly don’t like the direction. Shocking
Jedi Rocks is a nightmare. It sounds awful, looks worse and ultimately adds nothing to the movie. It would make me embarrassed to show Return of the Jedi to someone for the first time.
My problem with adding Hayden as the Force Ghost is that Luke doesn’t know how he looked before. It’d be the same as replacing Sir Alec Guinness with Ewan Mcgregor.
I think that Luke is not _that_ dense and that he can put 2 and 2 together and figure out on his own that the young lad standing next to Obi-Wan and Yoda is his dad. As for Yoda and Obi-Wan, they were never corrupted by the dark side that perverts the mind and makes the body age prematurely, so there's no reason why they should revert to their younger selves.
The one change I would have really liked to see would have been them using CGI to enhance the original battle between Obi Wan and Darth Vader in "A New Hope". I never found that fight very interesting or exciting. In fact it was quite the opposite. Watching an elderly man and a guy in a big bulky suit slowly swinging lightsabers at each other with barley any force and hardly any movement was less than thrilling. Lucas could have used modern FX tech to make that duel much faster and cooler, more in line with what we got in the prequels. Now that would have been a change I could get behind 100%.
I mean you said it, it’s a fight between an elderly man and a guy who can hardly move in a suit. I think it works fine for what it is. By contrast I despised seeing dooku do front flips in the prequels. So phony.
TBH, I prefer the special editions, and that's mainly because I've never seen the originals. By the time I got into Star Wars the Prequals were already out and The Force Awakens had already been announced. The version of Star Wars I've always known has had all the changes, and when compared to the original I have always preferred the special editions. There are some things that I can live without, such as the Jedi Rocks scene, but most of the changes I don't mind. There are some I prefer, such as the addition of the Prequel era stuff because I prefer the Prequels. Revenge of the sith is my favorite Star Wars, and seeing all of that stuff being added to ROTJ is a welcome addition.
Regardless of how we all feel about which changes are good and which aren't, it's awful and a disservice of revisionist history that original, unaltered versions of these films aren't available unless you go digging for fan-made restorations. In today's day and age of 4K restorations by major companies, the OT would be a perfect candidate for such a treatment, if only for the historical significance.
I absolute positively fully agree with all the points made in this video. I’m 46 years old now so of the generation that grew up with the original films. The 1997 editons…..oh how I tried to appreciate the changes, and as described here, I can dig the good ones. But for God’s sake! The bad and the ugly ones….absolutely woeful. Dreadfully embarrassing. And hideously outdated. I long to watch the original films as they were released at the time…😢
This is not really how Lucas originally envisioned the films. He had the technology to make Greedo shoot first or have Vader say "Nooooooo!" in the 70s and 80s or for Sy Snoodles to not have that thing on her head, etc. I hate Jedi Rocks. It takes focus away from the green slave girl being dragged into the Rancor pit. (And we didn't really need to see her in the pit, either. We already get to see inside of the pit after Luke falls in there, so we don't need to see it before then.)
It's scarier not seeing where she went and just hearing the screaming. Which is another example of Lucas killing the tension in a good scene. It's just so strange to me how he doesn't realize this.
An "underrated" bad change: Replacing Jason Wintergreen's evil, slimy, badass delivery as Boba Fett in Empire Strikes Back with Temuera Morrisson who sounds like he's just barely awake.
To me, the best thing about the special editions was that I got to go see them at the theater with friends. I mean it was something that we all got exited about, Star Wars, at the time, was something from childhood long gone and all of the sudden we got to see them in the theater. It was cool.
Changing an annoyed Vader saying 'Bring my Shuttle' to a comatose delivery of 'Alert my Star Destroyer to prepare for my arrival' and inexplicably adding in a different angle of Vader disembarking from his shuttle from Return of the Jedi in Empire Strikes Back is an act of vandalism!!!
Very wordy change, and Lucas thinks we're so dumb that we actually have to see the whole flight and landing of the shuttle to know how Vader got to the Star Destroyer. Apparently, "Bring my shuttle" followed by a later scene of Vader on a Star Destroyer isn't enough. Boy, and Lucas always bragged about his editing skills. Someone needs to have a talk with him about brevity and efficiency in storytelling.
@@ebinrock that change I actually liked. Vader thus goes from a raging killer to being clearly crushed that his just-discovered son would rather throw himself off a bridge than join him. I think it works better with his last scene when the Falcon gets away and Vader, the guy who'd killed everyone who failed him for the entire movie, just quietly walks off the bridge. Maybe the first moment (in terms of release dates) that we get to see how lonely and miserable he is, instead of just being a evil monster. Han shot first though
Not only that Jejerrod is in that footage as well. Its a lazy reuse of alternate camera angle footage from return of the jedi. If they wanted a new scene of Vader going to his shuttle to show how massive his Superclass Star Destroyer was i could see that. And if they bothered to build the set and film it.
@@ebinrock I dunno, man, one of my big questions after seeing Empire was how did the spaceship man with the spaceship in spaceship world get back to his spaceship. When he said "bring my shuttle" I figured he meant like, an airport shuttle bus, and I was just so confused.
I stand by Lucas's right to fiddle with the films as he sees fit. I will never understand why he didn't let the original releases be put out along side with them, though. At least I have the original uncut versions on Blu-Ray from the 77 project. They look amazing and I will never watch the special editions. The only one that is tolerable is Empire Strikes Back.
Do we know why Disney haven't released the original Theatrical Cuts? Is it part of their contracts with Lucas that can't? Guess we'll have to hope that's only until he dies.
Changing the end music of Return of the Jedi from Nub Yub (which I felt was a joke when I first saw it) to Victory Celebration was the best change in the original trilogy.
I wish you could cherry pick what changes you want. Wpuld be rad to see some of the deleted scenes finished too. I think thats a ronto crossing the camera.
My personal opinion is that all the recompositing of shots and most if not all of the cg spaceship shots are acceptable changes, just fine for a special edition rerelease. They’re neither offensive nor distracting (except possibly cloud city).
I'm pretty sure Hayden's Anakin doing the death stare at the end of ROTJ was him mistaking the Ewoks for children and wanting to murder them
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At least thank God he didn't have any speaking parts in ROTJ!
This is funny, but the real reason is when they were shooting EP3 George shot a new scene with Hayden and didn't even tell him what the scene was for, Lucas just told Hayden to smile and look at the camera for a few seconds, Hayden said had he known exactly what the scene was for he would've acted it out better than giving us that weird stare we got.
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I think people are being too hard on Hayden's Anakin. It's not a "death stare". It's his pervert stare. Get it right.
Your review is spot on. Vader saying "No" just ruined the whole scene. He didn't have to speak. We could see his emotions and his thoughts by his body language. That's what made it so good.
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Not really, but it would be fine with it in ROTJ. In ROTS it would be stupid without it.
just the way he said it
And add to that it was the exact same NOOOOO from ROTS. All it did was remind the viewers of one of the most laughable scenes in an otherwise pretty solid movie.
Vader screaming " noooooooo!" In return of the jedi was only in the blu ray release and onward. Vader is silent in The special edition box set from 2004
A billion dollar idea.
A version of the trilogy on streaming / blu ray where you can jump between the different versions mid-movie. So If you’re watching EP4 and know the jabba scene is coming up, just jump to the pre-special edition that doesn’t have it.
I love that! Or choose what changes you want before the movie.
like how in the halo anniversary games you can switch between the original and the remastered graphics
And a Version where you just have The music by John Williams without any dialogue! I want this since years!
@@mythenmetzermewtufreund128 Wouldn't be too difficult to play the full soundtrack while the movie is going... although there are some scenes where there's complete silence so I guess you'd have to modify it to add in some silent pauses for those. Also, the Imperial March is played out from start to finish in the OST while in the movie, they use various pieces of it as the shots go back and forth between scenes.
And SAME about the chills regarding YUB NUB chorus transitioning into the SW theme during the credits... I remember seeing the Special Editions as a kid and being so utterly disappointed with the changes made to RETURN because it felt so flat and lifeless compared to the genuine charm of the original Ewok celebration ending. I understand Lucas's obsessive compulsion to fix things as an artist/filmmaker myself, but honestly sometimes things are good enough as-is. It's often the quirks of an older film that gives it that unique charm and a certain special vibe and when you tamper too much, you can lose some of what made that thing "what it was"...
The Special Edition Celebration music is soooooo much better and it definitely fits the tone of the end of Jedi a hell of a lot better than Yub Nub💯
If Lucas really cared, he wouldn't have cut the story down to 3 movies and kept on going like they originally planned. Maybe the fact that he kept toying with the originals is him trying to make up for that HUGE mistake. I get that he wanted to be a father and didn't want his life dedicated to Star Wars but he really screwed us by not just giving up some of his control and letting others continue the stories on under his light supervision. And then he comes back super-effects heavy and gives us a lackluster storyline for the prequels. AND THEN sells to Disney because of his all or nothing need for control. I get it. I'm a business owner and I don't like trusting other people but he really ended up screwing us many times over.
Having Vader say, "nooooo!" makes what was one of the most emotional scenes in film history into one of the worst.
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I saw ROTJ in theaters for the 40th anniversary this week.
And it was almost as bad as replacing the late Sebastian Shaw with Hayden Christensen.
Nothing against Hayden Christensen; he did the best he could with Lucas' bad script. But, his appearance as Anakin is so out of place at the end of ROTJ
@@pseudonymsarehard7189 I kind of liked it when I first saw the update on the DVD release
I'd actually argue it gives the scene more emotion 🤷🏻
How so?? 😂
Just makes me appreciate my pristine Harmy Unaltered Theatrical Release Blu-Ray versions of ALL three original films. I also have the grindhouse versions on Blu as well. These were ripped right from a release print, with scratches, pops, cigarette burns for reel changes and all the other glorious imperfections of physical film.
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Same I show my kids the originals none of this special edition bullshit. Han shot 1st he's not a pussy and the musical scene redone in Jabba's palace god awful.
4k77....send him funding?
I totally need these copies.
I'm gonna hafta save my money
Remember when for Blade Runner's 25th anniversary there was that box set released that had all 5 versions of the film that had been released over the years, even including the original audience preview test screening cut. Plus some documentaries that were actually interesting and rewatchable. Probably the best box set I've yet seen for a movie.
That's the sort of set I dream of having for the Star Wars o.t. I know it will never happen but I can still dream! 🤣
I have that set. It was great. And I agree it would be great to have something like that for SW
I have that set too! Also, it’s an example of what to do on using cgi to fix things where Scott only fixed technical issues and not overstuff every scene with cgi.
@@johnaylward2015 Exactly right. It's a masterclass in subtlety and the film is so much better for it.
@@Bulletsandblockbusters Just like you said in the video, it's fantastic to have the choice of versions.
Plus the Final Cut is just brilliant - a special edition done right!
I saw it in theatres back to back when it was rereleased
There's a hundred SOUND changes to the Special Editions, particular the first movie, that you barely notice but help the movie.
The sound mix was a bit of a rush job and the Special Edition added or changed a ton of sounds that were basically missing.
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I noticed this while watching Harmy's Despecialized version. I was really surprised.
@@Scifogon Same...When you're used to the Special Editions, the sound design of the original can actually feel a little "empty."
@@RetroCarsForever Exactly what I thought!
Except those sounds were originally there… in the original mono audio. The “original” versions you are talking about are the STEREO versions that have a lot of missing audio. As much as I HATE the Special Editions, they did restore a lot of the missing sounds such as the “close the blast doors” line from the storm trooper
In the Cloud CIty scenes, they changed some windows and everything, but in some scenes later you can still see the original windows in the background.
It’s the same movies! I recently rewatched them in the “original” version with which I grew up btw, and I find these changes relatively superficial. All Lucas is doing is immerse you more in the world he created and also making them work better as a single piece. And that’s what the prequels are, love it or hate it, they are now the first half of the story of which the OT was made the second half. Changes being made retroactively is very common in the arts: Watchmen was recoloured in 2005, Tolkien rewrote pieces of The Hobbit, as did Rowling pieces of her Harry Potter novels. Serialised comic books get redrawn, recoloured or re-edited all the time for the collected or absolute editions, even Michelangelo would repaint the ceiling of the cisteen chapel and Da Vince kept working on the Mona Lisa 20 years (for the rest of his life) and even then the Mona Lisa we know might even have been a second or third attempt, a remake.
Going back to film: Coppola removes or re-edits entire sections of his movies, as long as 58 minutes, Kubrick retroactively took out scenes of The Shining and 2001 and had those destroyed!, Woody Allen even reshot sizeable parts of his films and in the case of one even the entire film itself. What Lucas is doing - adding some additional visual effects shots and maybe another actor for consistency - is very, very tame. Some Star Wars fans really need to get over themselves, really. Watch the films for what they are not for what you want them to be.
Shoutout to Rick Worley who is far more comprehensive about all this than I ever could be! Check out his Star Wars videos if you really want to understand what is going on with the prequels and the changes and why most people, especially RLM, are wrong about Star Wars.
Just knowing that Han Solo is taller than Jabba The Hutt looks weird, as I always envisioned him to be in over towering slob being 7 ft tall or more.
Not as weird as feeling like Jabba would've immediately had Han killed for daring to step on his tail.
I didn't even realise Vader shouted "no" so mustn't have seen the Special Edition of Jedi.
What a terrible addition; and yet another example of breaking the storytelling maxim of "show, don't tell".
The fact we could infer the turmoil of Vader through a mask, like more recent Mando scenes, is a difficult thing to pull off but great when it works!
And I agree wholeheartedly with the comment on Han and Greedo: it thoroughly undermines his character arc from rogue to hero of the rebellion
I don't think you understand the meaning of 'show don't tell'. A lot of people don't get it, because they believe bullshit they are told on the internet, by people who are just spouting the same information. "thoroughly undermines his character arc", oh please. Why are people that make and watch these videos so dense?
@@Ruylopez778 Sounds more like your being dense with this ridiculous comment. If you have nothing nice to say, don’t say anything at all. Your comment literally has no purpose for existing…
Vader didn't yell "NO!" in the original Special Edition, which may be the version you're thinking of. The Special Editions were a work in progress over several versions until we got what we're stuck with today.
Another change that wasn’t mentioned was Boba Fetts voice being changed to Morrison’s. The original voice is bone chilling!
The whole “Han Shot First” thing is the most cringeworthy complaint I’ve ever seen in my life
The Despecialiized Editions are the definitive versions and what I would recommend to people watching for the first time.
They are definitely NOT the definitive versions. Nothing will be until the original films are actually restored. But the closest to definitive in 2023 is the OohTeeDee versions. He actually worked with Harmy's edits a bit, but used better sources. (4K Disney source, plus film reels). No DVD parts had to be upscaled. The quality is somewhere between 1080p and 4K, where the old Despecialized are only 720p. Check 'em out!
no way. lucas improved his films in some way , og version didn't have aged welml
@@giannilyanicks1718 'Improved'.
@@trekkiejunk Did not know of that version, thanks for the info.
I consider the 4K77, 4K80 and 4K83 versions the definitive versions today. These were mostly direct transfers from original prints of the movies. While I appreciate all the work Harmy put into 'despecialising' the films, I don't believe you can beat prints from original versions with versions that have been 'digitally improved' then had the changes reversed.
The best version of all these movies is alive and well in my heart and mind. It's too bad it's not for sale, but I'll tell you, it's pretty grand.
I don't like the new Emperor because of the story changes, And because the makeup doesn't match Return of the Jedi. Things like fixing the landspeeder in Star Wars, or the cardboard cutouts in the throne room are fine. Fixing the disappearing Snow Speeder cockpit in Empire also is fine. I hate removing Boba Fett's original voice In TESB.. I'm fine with adding Coruscant and the Jedi Temple. I get why Lucas made all these changes he was changing the scope of the films to match the prequel. Expanding the universe.
Ya I was going to mention the makeup not matching. That always bugged me too.
That bugs me about Revenge Of The Sith, too. He looks more like Gary Oldman's Dracula than RotJ Palpatine.
To be fair to the ESB scene though, the original version didn't match his RotJ look either.
Yeah, the emperor in the special edition Ep 5 looks way too clean and bright and like his Ep 3 look. George Lucas wanted him to finally match how he is in Ep 6 but failed to actually make him look like how he actually did in Ep 6.
The look of the Emperor didn't bug me nearly as much as the line delivery. Seemed very subdued compared to the Episode VI and prequel Palpatine. As if he'd been smoking the same spice that Jabba smoked right before Han Solo stepped on his tail with impunity.
I agree with all your points here. What really bothers me however is that all these changes have drastically reduced the times I've rewatched the trilogy on Blu-ray. These were once some of the most rewatchable films ever made. Now, my enthusiasm is dampened because I have to see Han stepping over Jabba's tail, etc. It annoys me so much that I don't rewatch nearly as often as I normally would.
Yes, I have the HD despecialized trilogy on my computer but it's not the same, especially for those of us who love to collect official Blu-ray releases.😢
0:08 Amazing that lucas knew in 1997 that Haden would be vader in 2002.
Sebastian Shaw should have been in Revenge The Of Sith for
For the special edtuon that They would have begin to film in 1992 Before he died And then the film of revenge yourself would have to be resumed in 2003 To be completed with CGI.
The biggest problem with the Hayden force ghost is that it doesn't make any sense. Obi-Wan and Yoda's force ghosts appear as the age they were at death. Watching the movie. You just saw Vader demasked at his death. So why would his force ghost appear as a young man?
_Obi-Wan and Yoda's force ghosts appear as the age they were at death_
Yoda and Obi-Wan were never corrupted by the dark side, so why should they revert to their younger selves?
_You just saw Vader demasked at his death_
You saw the disfigured face of a dying man who was burned to a crisp when he was young, and then spent the rest of his life in a suit while being slowly consumed by the dark side that deteriorates the body and makes it age prematurely. Of course Vader unmasked would look pale and old and frail...
_So why would his force ghost appear as a young man?_
Why would his Force ghost appear as a 78-year-old grandpa that looks older than Obi-Wan, when Anakin was only 46 when he died? It's clearly established in ANH and ROTJ that Anakin was still very young when he became Vader. Shaw as Anakin's Force ghost never made any sense in the first place and contradicted everything we'd been told about the character.
At least, Hayden Christensen represents the promising young Jedi that Anakin used to be at some point, before he turned to the dark side...
@@Megrez-Alberich exactly
Even before knowing about the change, I was confused why a younger Anakin is a force ghost alongside an older Obi-Wan and Yoda. I don't think Hayden Christian was bad in his role, but it just felt so off to having him there when we know he wasn't there in the 80s.
@@Megrez-Alberich Because Anakin was redeemed at the end. His act of redemption put him back to the light side, and he should have appeared as he did at the moment
@@SamuSamuWa There's still no reason why Anakin's Force ghost should look like an 80-year-old grandpa when Anakin was canonically in his mid-40s when he died after redeeming himself.
Or do you mean that even as a ghost, he should have looked old and frail, bald, with dark lines under his eyes and scar tissue on his head?
The party at the end of RotJ should only be on Endor. The rest of the galaxy doesn't know the Emperor is dead. And they won't know if the the Empire which isn't dead, has their say. The governors are still there, and they have enough troops to keep their subjects in line.
And Lucas didn't want the Wampa to be scary when he did the Special Editions. That's why he showed it. And it sucks.
Yub nub makes way more sense in RotJ. The focus was always supposed to be on the heroes in the end-the victory celebration song disconnects the audience completely from what’s happening on screen with the main characters. Yub Nub fits the scene better. That’s how a contained story works, even if it’s part of a saga.
Exactly I agree totally. Showing all the celebrations on all these planets still held by the empire would get all those people shot made no sense. the original ending was perfect even if you hated the Ewoks it wrapped everything up correctly.
sorry but yub nub sounded cringy, and doesn't sounds as triumphant and satisfying and the planets are only briely seen
don't reply old fanboys.
Actually, I like the change on the Han's running from the troopers scene in A New Hope. In the original movie there's only a couple of soldier there, that he could easily shoot and keep running, and was almost the same number of soldiers that were chansing him, so doesn't make sense he just deciding to just give up and return. By adding an entire squad the fact that he decides to run away instead of facing them makes much more sense. And the shot goes so fast that is really hard to notice the copy and paste, specially because stormtroopers are ment to look alike each other.
I think I’m the special edition it’s just a ridiculous amount of stormtroopers added but I agree adding a few more would’ve been good.
The creature crossing the shot in Mos Eisley is called the Ronto. The Dewback is the animal that the Stormtroopers ride. I understand the mistake tho. They're both lizard things. Great vid.
I remember everyone in the audience gasped when they saw the new jabba palace music scene. It was so bad that people couldn't help but be shocked by it because the character literally breaks the fourth wall.
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Wait. How exactly does the character "literally break the fourth wall?"
The singers look directly at the camera @@FuzzyGlowCar
@@capitanpastabase6342 No they don't. For a split second you might be able to claim Sy Snootles glances at the camera but it's when the camera is on a close up of her lips, The backup singers do not look at the camera.
If you grew up with the prequels, you don't mind the changes to the og trilogy
The way some of these mid 40 and 50 years old cry about the special editions is insane. The entitlement is outstanding.
@@lowki07 yeah it is. It's not that big of a deal. Sure some changes are absolutely stupid but a lot of them are good
Luke's reunion with Biggs in the Yavin hanger was the best and only necessary change. It should never have been cut in the first place. I remember being SO CONFUSED as a child, why the film treats the death of this one particular pilot as so much more important, when others have been blowing up left and right. I didn't learn for several years that oh yeah this is Luke's childhood buddy that he mentions early in the movie. Just keeping that one scene would have made a huge difference to me.
I also appreciate the opened-up Cloud City, especially the windows in the interior shots. I think that's a huge improvement, the original seems so claustrophobic now. The airiness of the upper city now makes a nicer contrast with the basement levels where Luke fights Vader.
There is no reason to ever watch the special edition of RotJ. None.
Removing Yub Nub killed the ending of Return of the Jedi for me. I like showing other planets but not at the expense of the song and the transition into the Star Wars theme. That was gold. Now it feels much cheaper.
Excellent take. The Special Editions have always irked me and I'm glad you pointed out some of the reasons why fans like myself dislike them so much.
End of return was COMPLETELY destroyed in the special edition. There is no indication anywhere that would suggest that the Empire would just crumble everywhere when the Death star II was destroyed. There would have been Imperial troops on all of these worlds and who controlled all of the information? The Empire.
It's why it's cool to see stuff like The Mandalorian now, to show that the empire was still sort of around, like a cancer, on every world, for a long time.
I don’t believe for a second that the Special Editions are “the way Lucas originally intended the films to be”. If that was true, he wouldn’t keep making change after change, sometimes to the same scene.
He’s like Michael Jackson with cosmetic surgery
The added cgi shockwaves from the destruction of both Deathstar's really irritates me.
They're spheres. The shockwaves should expand in every direction outwards from the internal explosions, not on a flat plane as they do in the special editions.
Sadly they've made this mistake ubiquitous in cinema and it's just wrong!
Also I miss all the shoddiness of the original such as the stormtrooper who bangs his head on the door frame in the Deathstar and Mark Hamill shouting "Carrie" when he gets out of the X-Wing.
The mistakes left in the original were perfect drinking game material.
FYI the original versions are available on the 2-disc dvd sets for each film
Lucas is leaving a bounty of cash untapped by not releasing the OT in HD. At least we have dedicated fans like those at Project 4k77, to fill that void.
And for another take on special editions, the work of Adywan is mighty.
I mostly agree with what you have presented here. So much of it seems so unnecessary. For every positive tweak that was done, there were 3-5 more additions and changes that were crappy, unneeded or just plain bad. And let's not forget: the original Star Wars movie won academy awards for it's special effects, sound design and editing (among others). For those reasons alone they shouldn't have been "tweaked" or modified. When you do that, you destroy a historical record. I saw the original trilogy all in theaters during their original releases, so I am a bit biased. Some of the changes did work (space battles, some of the Cloud City backgrounds, etc), but so many didn't and just make the movie something less than they were originally.
Good video. You are correct in how jarring it is to have garish visual prequel reminders in the OT. Lucas’ incessant desire to not have the original cuts available was/is utterly bizarre. The only changes I liked from any of the films were the Biggs scene in the original and the Emperor scene in Empire, although the version of that scene in the Adywan revisited cut is the definitive one imo. Original dialogue with VI Emperor.
Agreed!
And thanks!
What did Adywan do with the scene in his edit?
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I'm mostly with you, except the "garrison" scene where Han Solo runs into a hanger full of storm troopers. While I agree the shot could've been done better (maybe him running into a barracks or something), the original kind of makes Han look like a coward as he's only chasing a few troopers and when then turn around to fight he starts to run. The latter however, just makes it seem like he got caught up in the moment.
Saying "Han shot first" is a common complaint about the SE changes but it's not accurate. In the original version, Han shot. Period. Greedo never even got a shot off. That's technically correct - the best kind of correct.
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For a character whose masked and expressionless Vader at the end of Jedi conveyed a ton of emotion thanks to the music and the build up to the scene. It almost feels like they were trolling us with the No addition
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you literally already see it in an earlier shot, I don’t see a problem with it eating the TonTons remains, because it does a good job signifying that Luke is next
also no way you didn’t mention the “bring my shuttle” line in empire in ugly changes
Agreed with all the positives and negatives here. New VFX can work well if it's touching up something subtle, but the Special Editions do flat-out scene replacements, and it does look terrible.
Personally, I didn't grow up on the original cuts (I didn't really get into Star Wars until my late teens), but would still prefer to see them than the Special Editions. Or at least with the intrusive CGI shots removed.
It’s kinda funny how the 20-something years of drama and vitriol over the special editions would flat out just not exist if George Lucas had any common sense and allowed both the updated and original versions of the films to be available. Like yeah people would probably still criticise the updated versions, but it wouldn’t be anywhere near as immense because they’d still have the option of seeing the films as originally released. The blu-ray releases for Star Trek and Doctor Who have special edition changes but unlike with Star Wars they actually let you still see the original versions too, and that’s how it should be with any tv show or film that gets changed.
Did you ever see Harmy's despecialized editions? I have the old VHS tapes and his edits are pretty dayum faithful to the original cuts.
Yup!
Vader yelling no at the end of revenge of the sith pisses me off and always have but idk why
My first time ever seeing Star wars was the 1997 Special Edition, so it has a special place in my heart, only change from that version I really dispise is the scream added when luke jumps into hole in Cloud City. It makes one of the most emotional scenes in the saga fucking hilarious
I also don’t like how they went back to change boba fett’s voicelines. I get it for the sake of continuity but is old voice was way cooler and should’ve been left alone
Agreed
Replacing LAPTI NEK is an unforgivable sin. ROTJ was originally my favorite and employs some good VFX fixes but so much stupid bullshit in the Special Editions...
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I legitimately cannot tell the original guys were cardboard cutouts…
Whoever did those was on their shit that day!
I've heard about how Lucas thought about adding a bit in later versions of ROTJ where we'd see Boba Fett flying out of the pit using his jetpack. Lucas stating that had he known how popular a character Boba Fett would become, he wouldn't have killed him off like he did originally.
So glad somebody else hated, as much as I do, the Vader yelling "Noooooo" when saving Luke in ROTJ. Ruins an epic moment especially because it drowns out the beautiful return of the Skywalker theme used for Anakin once again.
Jedi Rocks is a war crime! If I could purge my own memory I would.
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“Can we make that door bigger?
But George, that doesn’t-
Just make the door bigger!” - RedLetterMedia
😂 love those boys
No one ever seems to mention the THX versions that came out maybe a year or so before the special editions which had boosted FX & no extra scenes… I had these on VHS in the 90s & they were in my opinion the optimum versions. Nowadays I just watch the bonus dvd editions of the original theatrical releases, which are good enough for me…. although I’d love the THX dvds of these.
Ugggh!! You don't need to watch those. You can watch the original trilogy in 1080 and 4K. Very talented fans have restored the original versions of the trilogy with very high-quality sources. Just google it -- Star Wars, Despecialized, 4k77, 4k80, 4k83, and OohTeeDee. Three different projects, with 3 different methods of restoring the original trilogy. I never need to see the awful Special Editions again.
I could definitely live without the special edition version of Jabba's Palace
Also, Lucas putting some kind of agreement in the Disney purchase would make alot of sense on why we haven't gotten the theatrical versions of the OT
I'm always baffled about how they got CGI Jabba so incredibly *wrong*. He's the wrong shape. The wrong proportions. His eyes are the wrong color (how hard could it have been to give him his red eyes??) His skin is the wrong color and has weird black blotches that shouldn't be there. Everybody's like "oh he doesn't look real" and somehow nobody seems to notice he's totally changed from his Jedi appearance.
Agreed. And they tried to fix it and I think made it worse.
In the medallion scene, those foreground guys aren’t cardboard cut-outs, they’re matte paintings. Only the centre of the shot is real.
Hayden Christianson as Anakin's force ghost wasn't added in 1997. It was added after Revenge of the Sith came out in 2005.
Yeah I'm just lumping all the changes together made post 1997
I personally don’t understand the special edition hate, but I’m a younger guy who didn’t see the originals in theaters, so if someone would explain to me the hate I would love that.
There’s a few changes I don’t like, but overall, I don’t get the hate over some the changes, they don’t hurt my enjoyment of the movie in any way, and I feel like people overreact to some of the changes, but like I said, I would love for someone to explain it to me.
They have an obsessive attachment to their childhood and really arent that big of fans of Star Wars. To be fair, none of the changes are correcting any major technical filmmaking flaws or major flaws in the story telling, but these people are ridiculous when they go and try to say that they are 100% unnecessary. The reason for much of the changes are obvious.
The added slapstick with the Jawas and droids in Mos Eisley feels tonally discordant with the rest of A New Hope. Same with the reshot song in Jedi, or Han weirdly stepping on Jabba's tail. A lot of the CGI looks cheap and unconvincing. And changing Han's character by sloppily making Greedo shooting first. Or lowering the tension in the wampa scene or the slave girl death by showing more of the cave or monster. Or adding a pointless scene of Vader walking to his shuttle, which slows down ESB's climax. These are all examples of bad filmmaking.
I'm not sure what happened to George Lucas over the years, but he somehow lost touch with the more subtle style which defined his first few films.
@@natef5181 i would agree with most of those, but I don’t get how those ruin the movie for people and they’re determined to only watch the original versions.
@@oofiethetroll2059they don't, they are just entitled man children
I agree Vader yelling "Noooo" totally ruins thd emotional moment of Vader choosing to protect Luke
Idk why but a change that was unnecessary but really bad has to be the change of Vaders line in ESB. It used to be “bring my shuttle” which was said in a subtle pissed off way but was changed to some long line that was no where near as impactful.
Agreed. So ridiculous.
Great video. Don't forget about the re-dub of Boba's voice in Empire!
Ya I prefer the original voice too
The original was still in the 97 cut. So was the original Emperor.
@@matthewgaudet4064 Yep! I was thinking of the 2004 release.
I agree with you 💯 % on this. I LOVED Fett’s original voice, so dark…so menacing…so cold. No doubt this was a factor that made him so popular in the first place. It was nothing short of an absolute travesty to have changed it.
If Lucas had the technology he wanted for Star Wars he'd be flipping burgers today!
Much like Spielberg with not having the technology to show the actual shark 🦈 it made the movie an absolute masterpiece!!
Lucas was saved by the same lack of technology for Star wars and Empire movies!
Maybe not flipping burgers, but I imagine him being a professor of a film program at some random state college if StarWars didnt happen. Done with the movie making biz. Not to be harsh because yes he had a few good films under his belt, but godamn the more I learn about SW production behind the scenes the more im amazed at what we got was actually good lol
Same with Sergio Leone. His first, relatively smaller budget films are WAY better than his later ones.
@@sergeantbigmac If Star Wars wasn't a success or didn't happe, then we wouldn't have Industrial Light & Magic or Skywalker Sound and so a lot of classic blockbusters from the 80s to nowadays wouldn't have been made or maybe they would have been way different.
@@jesustovar2549 Wow yes I cant believe this didnt occur to me, thats a very very good point. ILM is groundbreaking in the industry and the one everyone is familiar with, but less people know about his work to establish consistent high quality sound in movie theatres and the THX soundsystem! (Which I loved when that titlecard popped up before a movie because I loved to hum along with it when I was a kid lol)
Oftentimes, lack of resources is the true mother of creativity, because you're forced to problem-solve.
I call my original edition trilogy box set the "Hand Shot First" edition
Everyone else calls you, virgin...
What never made sense to me about adding Haydn in as a Jedi ghost, is that Luke never met that version. Yoda appears old and tattered, as he did when he died. So, did Obi-Wan. That's how Luke knew them. If you think about it, why didn't Lucas replace Alec Guinness with Ewan MacGregor? And don't say that Lucas wanted to show Anakin as the good version. Because he died as the good version after he turned from the dark side. The ratty-haired version of Anakin as a ghost was exactly how he looked when he murdered a bunch of children.
The real reason for all of the problems is that Lucas is not a good director. He's not a good screenwriter. He's not a good producer. He's not a good editor. He IS a good storyteller and world-builder, and that's all he should have done. Of the 6 Star Wars films that Lucas had a hand in, Empire is usually regarded as the best by fans. It's also the one that he had the least input in. What does that tell you?
I think the good version argument can still be made since jedi choose which way they project themselves as force ghosts so it makes sense for Anakin to return to being the hero of the clone wars. Yes this is the form he murdered kids in, strangled his wife and took down the peace of the republic. At the same time this was also the loving partner of padme, the pilot ace and the chosen one
You are confusing changes that were made for the 1997 Special Editions with later changes that were made for DVD and Blu-Ray. For example, Vader does not scream 'Noooo' in 1997. I think that was added for the Blu-Ray release. Lucas had not written Episode III in 1997, so the 'Nooo' had not formed in his mind yet.
Correct! I'm just lumping them all together.
He couldn’t ruin Star Wars. Star Wars was created and made by him. As a artist of any kind he could make something you didn’t like and that’s your opinion, that your entitled too. but he couldn’t ruin it that doesn’t make any sense. Especially in the case of this since it’s a story and what makes it so popular is that it’s a story and a great story. Adding or editing scenes doesn’t make it a different story. Maybe there’s something to say here (that’s been said a billion times at this point) but “ruin” isn’t the right word
George has changed these movies many times. Not all of these changes are from the 1997 Special Editions. For example, putting Hayden Christensen into ROTJ didn’t happen until the 2004 DVD releases. That is also the same time Ian McDiarmid was added to ESB. Vader’s “NO” was added in the 2011 edition.
100% Don’t forget Luke’s Tarzan scream in empire when he jumps off the platform that was added in 97 then removed
@@Bulletsandblockbusters , which is strange because the trailer for Empire had a different Luke scream but then the finished film in 1980 didn't have it. The Vader noooo thing i swear was added just to mess with people who hated it in Revenge of the Sith. Like Lucas walking around the set of Crystal Skull wearing a Han shot first shirt when he had Han shoot second. And he knows it is the single most hated scene. Like saying Jar Jar is his favorite character and Empire Strikes Back is the worst movie.
The creature walking across the screen in Mos Eisley is a Ronto, not a Dewback. Boy, I hope someone got fired for that blunder.
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This video is pretty much on-point for how I feel. The only thing I would disagree with is the Hayden Christensen insert at the end. I feel that it's appropriate, as the original actor who played Vader without the mask isn't really a face that we as an audience have much emotional connection to, since he is only shown to us a couple scenes earlier. I think it was appropriate and correct to add Hayden.
Luke also yells carrie after he sees and hugs leia after blowing up the death star in both episode IV versions lol 😹😹😹
Lucas actually fixed the shot showing Obi-Wan's lightsaber prop for the unreleased 3D edition, which was later repurposed for the Disney+ and 4K releases.
Although the wire is still visible when he ignites it.
He can't ruin his own creative output. That's kind of the glory of it being yours, you can do what you want to it. Jackson Pollock couldn't easily have taken paint to a gallery and added to one of his paintings, because he was no longer to owner .. but GL didn't hand over ownership sooo... We were just renting his movies from him
He did. He sold em to Disney lol
@@Bulletsandblockbusters I mean yeah, now he did. But during the 90s he was just playing with his toys and we were at his mercy 😂 he was improving on his work, in his eyes.
I just feel bad that Spielberg was inspired to do it too and removed the guns from ET 🤦🏻♂️
Imagine if Disney started making LARGE changes to the original trilogy, inserting random characters, changing dialog, etc. You want to start a civil war, that could do it.
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IMO the THX optimized version of the trilogy is the best one. It keeps everything as it is in the original trilogy, but it's audio and video have been cleaned up.
What always bothered me were those little changes to Empire Strikes Back. It was the movie that needed the least amount of tweaking and yet got more than its share. The two I hated the most: 1) For no reason at all, the line that Luke says to R2D2 when he is spit out of the monster was changed from. "You're lucky you don't taste very good," to "You were lucky to get out of there." A much more banal and generic line. 2) The sequence where Darth Vader leaves Cloud City and goes to his ship after fighting and losing Luke, is much longer and unnecessarily on the nose than it was originally. In the original version, you just have a shot of him walking through the hallway saying, "Bring my shuttle." In the new version, there's a whole series of shots showing him leave, get into his shuttle, fly to the ship, and get out of the shuttle. Like an old Hollywood transition before editing was refined. His line is even changed to, "Inform the ship that I'm on the way blah blah blah."
The 1997 Special Edition Return of the Jedi still had Sebastion Shaw the addition of Hayden Christensen came later in the new changes for home video.
Ya I’m just lumping them all together
@@Bulletsandblockbusters Cool great video.
Thanks!
The song in Jabba's Palace is the absolute worst offender for me.
Original Versions = Coca-Cola Special Editions = New Coke
Lucas did do exactly that. In the sale to Disney, one of the stipulations is that the originals would never, ever be re-released. That's why the De-Specialized Editions are vital.
That's so 2016, man! Get the OohTeeDee's. Same idea, but better sources.
@@trekkiejunk I'll check that out. Thanks.
I really like Han Solo running into a hangar full of stormtroopers instead of chasing them to a dead end, it really makes his surprised reaction work. So far, though, I prefer fan edits like Adywan and his ongoing Star Wars: Revisited project.
I grew up with the 2004 Special Editions
The creator of something can’t ruin a story he created. Perhaps for a different audience. Said made Star Wars for kids. Well kids grew up and suddenly don’t like the direction. Shocking
Is there no way to watch the original versions?
Not “legally” unless you have the old VHS tapes
Yes, it’s legal, for, cough, educational purposes. And there are 4k versions of the OT out there.
@@Ryglado do you have to “find” them?
Jedi Rocks is a nightmare. It sounds awful, looks worse and ultimately adds nothing to the movie. It would make me embarrassed to show Return of the Jedi to someone for the first time.
My problem with adding Hayden as the Force Ghost is that Luke doesn’t know how he looked before. It’d be the same as replacing Sir Alec Guinness with Ewan Mcgregor.
Exactly
I think that Luke is not _that_ dense and that he can put 2 and 2 together and figure out on his own that the young lad standing next to Obi-Wan and Yoda is his dad.
As for Yoda and Obi-Wan, they were never corrupted by the dark side that perverts the mind and makes the body age prematurely, so there's no reason why they should revert to their younger selves.
The one change I would have really liked to see would have been them using CGI to enhance the original battle between Obi Wan and Darth Vader in "A New Hope". I never found that fight very interesting or exciting. In fact it was quite the opposite. Watching an elderly man and a guy in a big bulky suit slowly swinging lightsabers at each other with barley any force and hardly any movement was less than thrilling. Lucas could have used modern FX tech to make that duel much faster and cooler, more in line with what we got in the prequels. Now that would have been a change I could get behind 100%.
I mean you said it, it’s a fight between an elderly man and a guy who can hardly move in a suit. I think it works fine for what it is. By contrast I despised seeing dooku do front flips in the prequels. So phony.
TBH, I prefer the special editions, and that's mainly because I've never seen the originals. By the time I got into Star Wars the Prequals were already out and The Force Awakens had already been announced. The version of Star Wars I've always known has had all the changes, and when compared to the original I have always preferred the special editions. There are some things that I can live without, such as the Jedi Rocks scene, but most of the changes I don't mind. There are some I prefer, such as the addition of the Prequel era stuff because I prefer the Prequels. Revenge of the sith is my favorite Star Wars, and seeing all of that stuff being added to ROTJ is a welcome addition.
Regardless of how we all feel about which changes are good and which aren't, it's awful and a disservice of revisionist history that original, unaltered versions of these films aren't available unless you go digging for fan-made restorations. In today's day and age of 4K restorations by major companies, the OT would be a perfect candidate for such a treatment, if only for the historical significance.
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I absolute positively fully agree with all the points made in this video. I’m 46 years old now so of the generation that grew up with the original films. The 1997 editons…..oh how I tried to appreciate the changes, and as described here, I can dig the good ones. But for God’s sake! The bad and the ugly ones….absolutely woeful. Dreadfully embarrassing. And hideously outdated. I long to watch the original films as they were released at the time…😢
This is not really how Lucas originally envisioned the films. He had the technology to make Greedo shoot first or have Vader say "Nooooooo!" in the 70s and 80s or for Sy Snoodles to not have that thing on her head, etc.
I hate Jedi Rocks. It takes focus away from the green slave girl being dragged into the Rancor pit. (And we didn't really need to see her in the pit, either. We already get to see inside of the pit after Luke falls in there, so we don't need to see it before then.)
It's scarier not seeing where she went and just hearing the screaming. Which is another example of Lucas killing the tension in a good scene. It's just so strange to me how he doesn't realize this.
An "underrated" bad change: Replacing Jason Wintergreen's evil, slimy, badass delivery as Boba Fett in Empire Strikes Back with Temuera Morrisson who sounds like he's just barely awake.
Agreed
For whatever reason, Temuera Morrissons voice in ESB reminds me of Beauregard, the muppet show janitor.
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To me, the best thing about the special editions was that I got to go see them at the theater with friends. I mean it was something that we all got exited about, Star Wars, at the time, was something from childhood long gone and all of the sudden we got to see them in the theater. It was cool.
1:57 It's not a Dewback, it's a Ronto.
“Its not glup shitto, its babu freak”
Changing an annoyed Vader saying 'Bring my Shuttle' to a comatose delivery of 'Alert my Star Destroyer to prepare for my arrival' and inexplicably adding in a different angle of Vader disembarking from his shuttle from Return of the Jedi in Empire Strikes Back is an act of vandalism!!!
Very wordy change, and Lucas thinks we're so dumb that we actually have to see the whole flight and landing of the shuttle to know how Vader got to the Star Destroyer. Apparently, "Bring my shuttle" followed by a later scene of Vader on a Star Destroyer isn't enough. Boy, and Lucas always bragged about his editing skills. Someone needs to have a talk with him about brevity and efficiency in storytelling.
@@ebinrock that change I actually liked. Vader thus goes from a raging killer to being clearly crushed that his just-discovered son would rather throw himself off a bridge than join him. I think it works better with his last scene when the Falcon gets away and Vader, the guy who'd killed everyone who failed him for the entire movie, just quietly walks off the bridge. Maybe the first moment (in terms of release dates) that we get to see how lonely and miserable he is, instead of just being a evil monster. Han shot first though
Not only that Jejerrod is in that footage as well. Its a lazy reuse of alternate camera angle footage from return of the jedi. If they wanted a new scene of Vader going to his shuttle to show how massive his Superclass Star Destroyer was i could see that. And if they bothered to build the set and film it.
@@ebinrock I dunno, man, one of my big questions after seeing Empire was how did the spaceship man with the spaceship in spaceship world get back to his spaceship. When he said "bring my shuttle" I figured he meant like, an airport shuttle bus, and I was just so confused.
I stand by Lucas's right to fiddle with the films as he sees fit. I will never understand why he didn't let the original releases be put out along side with them, though.
At least I have the original uncut versions on Blu-Ray from the 77 project. They look amazing and I will never watch the special editions. The only one that is tolerable is Empire Strikes Back.
Do we know why Disney haven't released the original Theatrical Cuts? Is it part of their contracts with Lucas that can't? Guess we'll have to hope that's only until he dies.
Changing the end music of Return of the Jedi from Nub Yub (which I felt was a joke when I first saw it) to Victory Celebration was the best change in the original trilogy.
I honestly love both so I’m torn!
Jesus CHRIST star wars fans are entitled 😭
They are the worst fan base by far. They think they know more than the fucking guy who made it.
I wish you could cherry pick what changes you want. Wpuld be rad to see some of the deleted scenes finished too. I think thats a ronto crossing the camera.
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My personal opinion is that all the recompositing of shots and most if not all of the cg spaceship shots are acceptable changes, just fine for a special edition rerelease. They’re neither offensive nor distracting (except possibly cloud city).