I was WRONG about the Star Wars Special Editions (Watching 4K77)
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 19 มิ.ย. 2024
- I finally watched 4K77, 4K80 and 4K83. I am very impressed.
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Brave Blade I’d appreciate it if you could pin/heart this comment so that it reaches the widest audience.
Here are instructions on how to access the projects:
1. Click on the link in the description and click onto the forums.
2. Scroll down and click on the thread looking for Project 4K77/4K80/4K83 etc.
3. Click on the thread saying you need to register before you can see these forums.
4. Register with the invite code in the thread.
5. Wait for your account to be activated.
6. Get Downloading!
I should have given more specific instructions in the video. Thank you very much @sonnyhale, I'm sure a lot of people will appreciate this.
I had 3 vhs with original star wars no edit that I loaned out and never got back... nonetheless watching the original star wars on vhs no cgi was amazing. I will be screenshottng this comment and checking it out. I will probably be making my own vhs. I don't care about the value of my original vhs... it's the experience I miss.
@@uatu_the_watcher Forums -> How To Download -> How to download -> follow the instructions in the forum post.
@bravebladeproductions great video, would appear that the invite codes are rarer than a politician keeping a promise though :(
@@montehasspokenFollow the instructions in my pinned comment and you will find these ‘rare’ invite codes.
In 1977 I was 8 years old and I saw Star Wars 9 times in the theatre. It was my total focus.
When I saw 4K77 for the first time and saw C-3PO's colour, my stomach flipped over.
I didn't remember it, it was imprinted deep inside my psyche, and I realized I hadn't seen him look like this in over 40 years.
Yeah. The color changes give it a subtly different feel. I think they wanted to align with later movie's color look, but it's not the sun bleached desert planet that it was in 77, or the castle-white look of the star destroyers that originally grabbed you. I get this is a personal preference.
I’m same age, but my dad was in the Air Force, and we were moving a lot when SW came out. I never even heard about SW until 78 when I was already out of the country… but I did see ESB and ROTJ in theaters and agree, 4K looks amazing.
Yes, the color timing is so important ! I was born 1977 but i already started watching these at very young when they were still fresh and only just came to VHS. Here in Finland, VHS back then was very rare. I grew up playing this trilogy on a loop. At least the color timing on VHS were pretty accurate. I did went and watch the special editions to the cinema, but something was "off". The bluray was a ugly mess. Getting watching these a on projector with good sound, these 4k77 etc versions were like a time capsule back in my childhood + cinema experience. I cherish these very much, and you bet i have these backed up very safely ! LOL
So how did the color timing of the original trilogy special editions compare to these 4K 35MM scans?
Same but even younger at 6yrs of age at the cinema in 1977. Harmy got the ball rolling with this and I also like his edition too.
I screened 4K77 at a movie theater a couple of years ago just for the staff. It was a great experience seeing it on a big screen with film grain. The theater is one of the few left in my country that still screen 35mm.
That’s unreal, so lucky.
I recently built a 220” high gain screen and 4K77 looks fantastic. Being powered by a Sony xw6000 projector that looks as good or better than an actual theater. It looked amazing.
I'm among those old enough to have seen the original _Star Wars_ (before it was rebranded as _Episode IV: A New Hope)._ I also had the great fortune to be living in LA at the time and got to see it in the historic Chinese Theater. It's hard to explain to someone who has never known a time without _Star Wars_ what an astounding experience it was. No one had EVER seen ANYTHING like it before. To our eyes the effects work was perfection itself. The closest anyone had come before it was _2001: A Space Odyssey,_ which was relatively static by comparison. _Star Wars_ took it not just to the next level, but a couple of levels beyond. Then there was the story, the acting, the dialogue...flawless. It was so involving that even without the special effects, it would have been a fantastic film. You left the theater feeling like something fundamental had changed in cinema itself. It just can't be overstated. All props to George Lucas, but I don't think he ever really understood that his later tinkering just struck my generation as a kind of desecration. Good to see the original experience is available again!
Wow what a time to be alive!
Comment Perfection.
Very jealous!
Star Wars, KISS, and the Dallas Cowboys.
Sprinkle in Smokey and the Bandit and Close Encounters - 1977 was a hell of a year. I was very lucky to be a kid that summer.
I 100% agree with everything you said. I truly feel sorry for fans who did not see it during the summer of 1977. It was an entirely different experience. I was 10 years old and rode 60 miles to San Jose, CA, with my parents to see it in 70mm at the giant Century theaters, very much like the Cimerama Dome in LA. The 2-3-hour wait in line only fueled our excitement and anticipation. It was truly a magical experience after the lights went out. When the lights came back on, my mother, never known as a huge sci-fi fan, looked at us and said, "Let's stay and see it again". We made the trip to San Jose many times over the following thirteen months.
My favorite thing about the 4K77-83 scans is that the movies actually *look* like movies from their respective era. The film grain and overall quality looks like movies from that time. It adds to the experience. Watching the newer Blu-ray or Disney versions, the video quality is just excessively modern and clean. It actually looks *too* good. Just my two cents.
A bit of grain is nice, recent releases try their best to get rid of it entirely and it sucks.
I think the Blu-Rays look worse than the VHS. The special effects just weren’t made for that hi-res of a screen.
Yes indeed, and when watching with a projector with big screen and big sound, its like transported to that era cinema. Good analog technicolor film grain !
They removed the film grain from one of the Blu-ray releases of Predator. It is abysmal looking. People look weird. I'm so glad I got the better version on Blu-ray.
Exactly my thoughts. When a film is true to its aesthetic, it allows you to immerse yourself deeper into the film. This is especially important for Star Wars, which is primarily escapism. The CGI "enhancements" take me away from the film because they differ stylistically and tonally. And can I say that I love the original style of the 70s and 80s? It definitely adds nostalgia.
Even people who first saw the special editions don't want Han to shoot first.
True.
Harmy's Despecialized Editions are great as well. Lots of passion in those.
For me the special editions are the novelty and the originals are the originals.
It's so weird how Lucas is such a proponent of film conservation for OTHER movies, but is so adamant about burying the original theatrical releases of Star Wars. If Blade Runner can have 5 different versions available on Blu-ray for the connoisseurs, why not Star Wars?
EXACTLY!
The hallway chase scene in A New Hope worked in the original because the Stormtroopers realized that, in order to get the drop on Han, all they had to do was TURN AROUND. It was funny, completely logical and practical. It made SENSE and it was perfect for the entire five seconds of screentime that it took.
Then the Special Edition comes along, and someone in charge thought “y'know, there should be more guys there because I don't get it."
I thought the new version of the hallway scene was both better & funnier than the original because of both Han's reaction(his scream when seeing the hundreds of troopers), & the reveal of the hundreds of troopers.
That and they had reached a dead end and could flee no further.
That “someone” was George Lucas. Personally, I like the new version better. It got a huge laugh in theaters in ‘97.
Personally, I like both. But I feel like the turning the corner and running into reinforcements made sense on such a huge station, and it gave the retreating troopers a reason to regroup and get back in control of the situation.
The single most baffling change in the first special edition release was Leia’s blaster sound before the chasm swing. Making her blaster sound like Dirty Harry’s magnum was an important change that Lucas was unable to address in 1977? Of course he changed it back in the subsequent special edition version.
I remember waiting outside the cinema in 1977. And after seeing that movie on a HUGE SCREEN My life changed that day.
What a time to be alive!
The 4k projects are amazing. The DESPECISLISED editions deserve a video on their passionate projects.
They make the trilogy a sort of 1.5 choosing some upgrades to keep and theyre own colour grade.
I got to show friends the 4k set as they'd never watched the original trilogy. When i showed the changes like a cgi rock to hide r2d2 in a cave, they were baffled.
Thank you 4k for making a new hope and revenge of the jedi watchable again
Please compare 4K editions to Despecialized? I've watch them but not the 4Ks.
@user-zw9co9vd9h Petr Harmy (the creator of Despecialized) recently released a 3.0 version of Despecialized RotJ and its in 4k. Just look up the video on his channel called: "Harmy Despecialized August 2023 update" for download instructions and so on.
i have not been able to download the 4k77/4k80/4k83 after several attempts.
Don't get me wrong I like both the original theatrical versions and the special edition version, but I wonder why they made some of the changes they made. For example in the theatrical version of Empire Strikes Back, after R2-D2 gets spit out by that swamp creature, in the original theatrical version Luke cracks a bit of a joke saying something like, "it's a good thing you don't taste very good," and in the special editions they changed Luke's dialog to something like, "you were lucky you got out of there." I'm not sure why they changed that dialog, but I always liked that little joke.
The Special Editions go too far in some places.
I remember that! I thought that was a poor choice, too. After a couple decades I thought maybe I had imagined it. Thanks for confirming that I'm not crazy. :D
Because Lucas is obsessive to a fault
Because George "too much" Lucas. In 1997 they re-released the original trilogy and many of the changes are a marketing ploy to make the new version even more different. "Come see the new Star Wars because we've changed everything!" Just change for the sake of change. It's a pity, there was no one nearby to restrain his ruthless creativity, as in the 70s and 80s. As for the joke, George probably wanted to make the movies even more accessible to children and therefore thought the joke was too dark for children. Marketing, marketing, marketing.
@@BraveBladeProductionsI wish there was a halfway house
No CGI extra or reworking if dialogue - But a pristine 4K version with the correct colour balancing, rather than exact replica of as-released originally
I saw the original version in theaters when I was five. It was literally life-changing.
I’m sure it was earth shattering.
Then came the toys!!! 😮😀👍
@@BraveBladeProductions Alderaan, to be exact.
I was 9...the target age for SW. Can vividly remember my emotions seeing the intro and scrolling text with that epic text.
I like to say it was as stunning as the B&W to color transition in Wizard of Oz.
"Dad what are the ships wings doing?"
"I don't know, watch the film"
I was 6.
IMO, the problem with the Star Wars Special Editions was not that they existed. I saw them in the theater when they released, and they were fun. It's that they replaced the original version of the movie in all future release, and that George Lucius kept altering them in bizarre and idiotic ways, such as changing the cantina scene so that Greedo fires first and Han awkwardly moves his head in an unnatural way to dodge the shot.
The correct answer. George has been so weird about the Special Editions. He has been a gatekeeper, really. I can’t wait for Disney to green light remastering the Originals and rereleasing them.
@@HabitualJoker Might have to wait until ol' George drops off the perch first. We are thinking it was stipulated in his contract with Disney; no original versions until he is no longer with us.
@@thedys70 yep, you’re 100% right.
As a 59 year old (as of this post) who saw it again and again in 77, and then after a lifetime of Star Wars obsessive fandom cringing with every increasingly worse degradation of each re-release, 4K77 is an absolute answered prayer. So many years of telling people "that's not what it looked like!!!" are finally vindicated. I almost cry tears of joy watching 4K77. Luke's zits in the cantina, the clarity of the smoke of the lightsabers lingering during the duel, the dust and dents on R2's dome, the original THIN PINK laserbolts in 77 that degraded into overly saturated red bolts that everyone thought is just the way they were supposed to look. "NO, NO, NO!" I would tell them to confused faces. It NEVER looked like that. R2's dome never looked THAT blue. The Tantive corridor was never THAT dark. The Death Star had a cool greenish hue to it, NOT the neutral grey/blue you see on video. The troopers yelling "Close the blast doors!" before yelling "open the blast doors!" (killing the whole joke), and just so many more instances. I could just go on and on. God bless George Lucas for Star Wars, but also Lord have mercy on him for allowing Star Wars to get tampered with so badly that it lost so much of its original charm! And thank you, Team Negative One for bringing our beloved greatest movie ever back to life. I thought I was going to have to go to my grave never seeing Star Wars the way I remembered it, the way I grew up with it.
Damn straight.
It was cultural vandalism what he did. The special editions was what killed Star Wars for me. It was unwatchable in my opinion. I have been upset with George for years over this. If he would have preserved the originals, and then released a new edition and let us have the originals I wouldn't have batted an eye. I'm so happy about this project and I commend the team on them. Bravo fellas. Bravo.
I grew up with VHS copies of both the original cut and the special edition. Overall, I think my opinion was similar to yours, the special edition edits to Empire were pretty good, almost exclusively edits that felt natural, but was not a fan even as a child of all the out of place effects in New Hope and Jedi.
In either case, my single most hated edit to any of the movies was Vader yelling "No!" In Jedi, from the 2011 DVD edit. Him silently making his decision and sacrificing himself was a more emotionally powerful moment, in my opinion.
Lucas just went too far.
@@BraveBladeProductions I'm not sure about that. The only overall poor decision was Jabba, and even that is explainable from the conditions in which the film was made
I always thought the Alien Series did it right, keep the originals in tact and release the special editions/directors cut/assembly cut for the purpose of giving the audience the ability to see both for different reasons. Honestly, I think the idea of "adding" to established movies should be done within scenes that had been partly filmed but weren't feasible at the time; Empire Strikes Back had scenes like that, as did the first Alien film.
That's the problem with Return of the Jedi.
There were a tonne of things in A New Hope that Lucas couldn't do in 1977 that he got to add to to the SE, and there were a few issues that he wanted to make to Empire such as making Cloud City more convincing and adding a better suit for the Wampa, but Jedi was only a decade old when they did the Special Editions. All it needed was a few minor teaks to the effects, but he had to change something or people would feel cheated, so he added completely random nonsense.
The problem there is you are looking at a scenario where Ridley Scott doesn't control the films, the greedy studio does. Star Wars is one of the rare cases where the filmmaker actually owned the rights to his own film
@@officialmonarchmusic Doesn't matter so long as artistic history is preserved.
@@noheroespublishing1907 I'd argue they are as it is
I was born in '80, so I never got to experience the originals in the theater, but as a kid I watched the heck out of them on my VHS tapes on our crap tv. Later, I got to see the modified "special" versions in digital widescreen (dvd), then HD (blu-ray), and ultimately 4k. Each time was nice, but it never came close to bringing that joy I had as a child. 4k77 did. I just want to give my sincerest thanks to those behind it for finally giving me the theatrical experience I always wanted but never thought I'd have.
It’s a great project.
My introduction to Star Wars was watching a 4:3 version on the local TV station. I could never figure out where that Sand Person was that Luke saw through his binoculars.
Haha! Nice callback. I remember that too. I was like, “I don’t see anything?”
TIL there were Sand People in that scene. I’ll have to watch it on 16:9 to see for myself.
It’s heartening to see that even the young’ns can come to appreciate the original versions of these films, and their historical significance. Thanks for spreading awareness and educating like-aged fans.
Yeah same im only 22 and I grew up watching both the special editions on DVD and the THX enhanced 1995 VHS copies of the Original Trilogy are what I grew up watching as a kid
Great video…I hope 4K 80 is available soon to complete my 4K trilogy. I agree with you about watching the version you “grew up with” and for me, that’s the original theatrical versions as I saw them in the theaters when I was a kid. Commendable that you made the jump to the original versions and enjoy them.
I ONLY watch these fan made original replicas...I want to see the films I saw in the cinema as a child
Exactly.
It's amazing that someone so young appreciates the original versions. I grew up watcing them on VHS, I still have the tapes.
Gotta respect history.
Saw Jedi in the theater back in '83, so 4K83 is an instant go-to.
Depending on what mood I'm in, I will say Adywan's Revisited saga and Harmy's DeSpecialized are also in rotation.
There really isn't any other version[s] that you need tbh.
I too watched the special editions growing up, but also had VHS tapes of the theatrical cuts. It was always so interesting to me that the films were changed, but never upset me.
It wasn’t until I found out Lucas doesn’t want the original cuts out that it made me like them more, but it’s almost a Streisand effect. Think of blade runner, there’s like 5 different cuts of that movie, and the theatrical version that is generally not liked is available. What do most fans like? The directors cut and “Final Cut.” It’s not like Ridley Scott buried the theatrical cut.
i was born in 1984, so im on that middle ground of growing up watching the "unaltered versions" on VHS first, and watching the first Special Edition when i was still a kid, so i'm oddly feel nostalgia for both versions..., but the original editions still the bests 🤣
The OG Versions rule.
I was born in 79 and have the same feelings. we didn’t get to see them on the big screen and vhs was never going to be the grand experience that others had in the 70’s/early 80’s. That’s why the special editions were so amazing for our generation. We got to see the films for the first time with special effects that, at the time, were amazing.
So I also can’t help but still feel some attachment to the special editions but at the same time appreciate the originals as superior.
Also born in ‘84. The Special Editions would be cool if they were just that; Special Editions. As an alternate cut I kind of liked the variety. What I didn’t like was that the originals were buried never to see the light of day again. Now I go out of my way to watch the original releases.
to be honest, Disney could make a re-release of all three movies with updated CGI that would be more cohesive with the original film material (models, textures, film grain simulation etc) - then it wouldn't be such a sore view to the eye. Because let's be honest, if Lucas made those changes because he wasn't happy with the technological limitations of 70/80s we now could retouch it again, making it the final vision of George Lucas.
I wouldn't be surprised if George put in the stipulation that they couldn't release the unaltered Original Trilogy, at least not until some years after his death.
The funny thing is the fanbase was so toxic around the changes to the OT, and CGI in the Prequels and all those other things that he sold Star Wars to Disney and now it's not his problem anymore.
I for one want to see 4K 99.
Would be cool no doubt.
there are scans of the prequel trilogy as well as the 1997 special edition.
@@BraveBladeProductionsso only yoda as a puppet? Thats the only change
It's definitely out there. I just recently was able to find and dl a film scan of the original '99 Episode I to go along with my 4K77, 4K80, 4K83
Hell yeah episode 1 is my favorite too.
The originals are visually more pure, focused on the storytelling without adding extra stuff that clutters up the scene and adds nothing except distraction. I saw a new hope on a VHS when I was maybe 5 on a cold weekend morning in New Hampshire, and the special edition adds and all the color changes sort of ruin it. I'm frustrated not that Lucas wanted to improve on his work, but that he actively walled off any access to the original versions even though people preferred it.
Concerning George, talk about living long enough to see yourself become the villain hey? What a sh*tbag move.
I've always treasured the special edition releases of star wars. I had seen all of the movies on tape a bunch as a kid. But seeing the entire trilogy in theaters is one of the only good memories I have with my father.
The Special Editions were great for giving people a chance to see the movies in theatres.
Why don't Disney just commission these guys to release this officially as an "Original Version", make it a physical only release initially to make a lot of money or whatever. Like I don't get it? Conflicting rights?
Disney just don’t want to release it, although people suspect that it’s because Lucas won’t let them.
@@BraveBladeProductions They suspect RIGHT; the conspiracy is real.
George Lucas would hire hitmen if they ever released the originals officially
9 years old I saw the original in the theater by myself before anyone else in town. My uncle ran the theater. I was horrified watching the special editions in the theater. There were octagonal digital black shapes around the ships that flew by.. IN THE THEATRE! The Sy Snoodle additions and Hayden replacing the original Anakin as a Force Ghost?!?!?? BLASPHEMY!! 😁
I hated the whole experience. (The theater showed all 3 SE on the same day) Then to have all my cherished memories erased permanently by Lucas... Heartbreaking..
Can't wait to get these. Thank you for bringing it to my attention... You've given this old man a new hope.
Love hearing stories like this. May the force be with you my friend.
The black shapes around the ships are most likely what is known as garbage mattes, a side effect of all that optical compositing.
Some have been removed in the later versions. Others might show up more visibly now on modern transfers but if it shows up now, it was always there whether you noticed it before or not.
Let's just quickly stand and applaud your uncle who ran the theater, who gave you that preview screening back in the day; he is/was a man's man!
10 years, 10 weeks, 10 days, or 10 hours. Doesn't matter when you discovered SW, a fan is a fan. I was lucky enough to see ESB in the theater in 1980 but I'm not a gate keeper. My kids love the prequels and my wife loves the sequels. We have a lazer Disc player to watch the OT because I didn't want my children growing up in a world where Greedo shoots first. ✌🏻
Maklunky!!!!!
@@danster4713 ☺ I forgot about the Disney+ version
Sounds like gatekeeping to me.
@@MeanMrMustard1 my statement "doesn't matter when you discovered SW, a fan is a fan" really drives home your statement of me being a gatekeeper. 😂
@@flippy6553 Not allowing your kid to watch the Special Editions drives home my statement that you sound like a gatekeeper.
Thank you. I never knew this project existed and now I will be able to watch the movies like I did back in the day.
Enjoy !
I have a question. I tried to download these a while back and successfully got them but it had no audio and so I found a thread with like hundreds of movie audio files for the trilogy and got 1 that I thought sounded ok but I had no clue what the best one was. I then tried to sync the audio to the video and make that a new file but every time I tried to render it my PC would run into an error. I’m wondering if there is some files that already have the audio or do I have to do it myself?
I had audio with the file I downloaded so I don’t really have a solution.
Alright I guess I’ll have to try again someday to find it with audio. Cheers!
Calling it "A New Hope" gets under my skin.
I was 8 yrs old it was 1977 I sat in a theater and watched a movie called Star Wars. It wasn't titled "A New Hope."
That's it that's the name of it and always should be the name of it.
I believe George Lucas still holds the creative rights to the originals and prequels. So Disney is unable to release a version of those movies without George Lucas’s approval
What blows my mind is that this wasn’t done earlier. Harmy went through an insane, painstaking restoration process. Why didn’t anyone just snag a copy of a 35mm print?
I imagine they would be wildly expensive.
It's also the fact that an original print is not just probably extremely expensive, but maybe rare. Heck, I would like to see someone try and find a copy of a 70mm print of any of the original trilogy films, that would surprise me more if someone was able to find one of those.
@@BraveBladeProductions Group buys are a thing, and the Star Wars fandom is massive enough to fund that effort
Have you considered comparing the Hal9000 (partially despecialised) editions? I find them a good balance of restored original while keeping some of the better special edition visual alterations.
Awesome video. The thing that I like about the 4K restorations is that they ensure the original versions will exist, in their best quality, for the future. Even the versions preserved by the National Film Registry are in pretty poor shape. When the copyright ends, these 4K versions will hopefully become more easily accessible. I think every version of the original Star Wars trilogy was updated to appeal to modern audiences of the time, and try to add something "new and different" - some changes are rooted in adhering to George's original vision, but we have come to a point where many of the changes made now look dated themselves.
Great video and have another subscriber! I really have to see these 4K projects. For years now, I've wanted to see the Star Wars I saw as a wide eyed 8 year old at the cinema in 1978 (It didn't reach the wider UK until then). After seeing it at the cinema, it didn't get released in the UK for VHS rental until July 1982. Four and a half years until I got to see it again. That's crazy thinking about it now, but the film had to live on in our imaginations until then, and that was only if you were lucky enough to get hold of a VHS rental copy. I don't mind the special editions, but you're right. New Hope in particular has been messed around with too much. I want to experience the movie as I did as a kid. Why George and Disney have denied us fans that baffles me.
I'm just glad we live in a world were we can still experience Star Wars as it was in the cinema.
I know this will probably never happen, but I'd like someone to make a remastered version of the original version of Phantom Menace. It's as rare as the original trilogy, (If not even more rare) and still has as many changes
There are TPM preservations you can download, though they aren't as easy to get ahold of as 4kXX.
Ideally a remastered version of TPM with Jaja edited out
@@thedys70 No. You see how hypocritical you’re being right
Do you know why in the video file of 4K77, for the 35 and 70mm english track, when I select it there is no sound?
Unfortunately no.
@@BraveBladeProductions Forget about what I said, the problem was that I was using the default Windows player but with VLC it works!
I remember watching the first film in 1977, in both the theater and drive-in in Fort Sill, OK. Talk about life changing experience at the age of 7 years old. Then subsequently standing in line over and over again in Dayton, OH to see the rest of the Original Trilogy so many times I lost count (Dad lived next to a bijou theater, Mom next to a Cineplex). Along with Raiders of the Lost Ark (1981). Buying everything Kenner had to offer and salivating over every Starlog and Bantha Tracks featured SW story.
I need to just pull the proverbial trigger, and download the 4K Restoration versions, so my son can have the Gen-X experience (minus the latch key part).
As _Star Wars_ belongs to the world (from a certain point of view). The least we could have is the ability to see it - as close as possible - to what it appeared during the year/s it was released.
The fans deserve it!
We can thank George for gatekeeping it from everyone!
"... A certain point of view?"
One theory is that it's because Lucas didn't want his ex-wife (who edited the 1977 version) receiving royalties which she is entitled to for every release. According to this theory, she doesn't receive payment for any of the newer versions since they are, legally, "different enough".
Proving, that the true Dark Lords are women and lawyers. @@HabitualJoker
@@RodCornholio I have never heard that, but I wouldn’t be surprised. I did hear that the original movie was very bad prior to Marcia Lucas editing it.
I feel so sorry for anyone who has only seen the cgi versions. The 4k is how I remember seeing it in the cinema with my dad. Priceless memories reignited. If you haven't seen the original Star Wars then do it now. It's not a new hope!
P.S. great review 😀👍
Glad that we can still see it.
I'm sorry to say this, but they're more of a OT fan thing. I and most of my friends vastly prefer the 2011 blu-ray version. A lot of people don't want to (and shouldn't have to) pay a million dollars for the 2006 DVD or go hunting around for 4k 77
@@officialmonarchmusic That's because you and your friends are Millennials or younger. You just don't get it.
@@mhoroky That's true and that's exactly what I mean. It's great that it exists for nostalgic fans, but it's not the end-all-be-all. For future generations, the 2011 blu-ray version (And subsequent versions like 4k) will come to be recognized as the primary version. I'm glad people can live out their nostalgia, but don't try to push it on us and claim it's objectively the only true version. This person got to live out their childhood memories. Well my childhood memories AREN'T that.
This first non Disney movie I ever saw in a theatre was Star Wars, when I was 9. My Dad took me and I was so happy that he liked it too. A top childhood memory :D Then came the Special Editions - ugh. I thought the fixes in Empire were worthwhile, but hated the changes in SW and ROTJ. Thanks for this info about 4K77 - you’ve given me a new hope to enjoy these movies again as they should be!
Excellent summary, thanks! I remember hearing about this ages ago but now I'll definitely check it out. Cheers mate!
No prob mate.
I was actually able to burn these to 4K discs. They look amazing!
I dont have these on physical media, i store thse on my movie server which is backed up multiple times 🤓
Beautiful video, my friend! I've see all of the editions for the Original Trilogy (4K77, "Dispecialized", Adywan's fan edits...) and for me I prefer to have them all so I can watch it depending on the mood and interest I have in mind. What do you think? Big hugs!
Fans should watch whatever version they like best, nuff said.
You just reminded me I haven’t got the latest versions of the 4K projects and this is the perfect excuse to watch them on my new OLED.
Now that sounds excellent.
Loved this video. Thanks.
Not sure the reason we watch a certain version is based on what we fell in love with it was introduced. I think it might be to do with what is less jarring for us.
If we started with the special editions, it might seem a jarring experience to suddenly see missing scenes. Not that it's an unpleasant experience, just a bit jolting.
Maybe.
I don't necessarily see grain or dirt as a sign of age either. that might be because I watch most movies from the past, and not so many current releases
I would say we watch whatever version is most comfortable and familiar. Although everybody has their own reasons behind their favourite cut.
@@BraveBladeProductions totally. You've inspired me to check out these 4k versions though for that more pure and original cinema experience. That's what art is about 👏🏻✨
Now that Disney has begun working with the Criterion Collection, I'm hoping that they allow Criterion to release the original theatrical release in 4K. Maybe they can even work with the people of 4K77. Having these widely available like this would be amazing.
That would be cool.
That's not likely. I think Lucas had a clause that Disney couldn't re-release the original Theatrical Cuts. Otherwise, they'd've likely done so by now.
@@markreed4543 Disney are whore$; the unaltered trilogy are a ca$h-cow just waiting to be milked.
Quietly confident of their release sooner than later once Lucas departs this earth.
Interesting to hear your take on how the special editions improved Empire. As a Gen-Xer I think you are completely wrong and a child, but interesting to see. ;)
Glad to see we can politely agree to disagree.
Loved this! I'm also looking for the "best" version, while liking all of them... to a certain extent.
Thanks for the kind words.
Great video. Thanks. I might have to check it out later.
I have always felt that if the special editions had many great additions. And that those additions are best enjoyed after viewing the original. The reason for that is because you get the chance to enjoy things like the original musical numbers and the understanding that Han would shoot first. And then you get to appreciate all the changes that were made that improved the movies.
The Special Editions did more good than people give them credit for.
Hi I'm from the UK but don't live in London (It was originally released 26th December in selected London theatres in 77) so saw Star Wars in early 78 aged 6. The perfect age! The whole package was "If it's not this good why are you bothering?" and set the gold standard for a movie. The special editions SUCK! George Lucas STILL refuses to provide a print of the original movie for the Academy for the archives and they want the film that won 7 oscars not the redux! BTW if you're watching these for the first time on a laptop, my commiserations. I saw it in a 5000 seat theatre and it blew my mind. Great to hear the original is out there.
A laptop may be less than ideal, but I’m just happy I can still watch the original versions.
In my opinion, I do not mind the special editions and remastered. But we should have the CHOICE to watch the original in all its glory or the remastered ones. I want to preserve to original for the very fact that we can see that Han Solo is the ONLY one who shoots.
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It is also sad to me when I watch young GenZ and Gen Alpha watch Star Wars for the first time and only get to see the remastered. Then they make the comments, "This looks good for 1977." I would rather they see the nonremastered to show how astounding it really was in 1977, how groundbreaking it was. Not the technology decades later that remastered them.
As a 7 y/o viewer back in '77 all I can say is 'These are the films you are looking for!'
Indeed.
I really do like the Despecialized Edition because it cleans up a lot of things while retaining the scenes of the original theater release.
I watched them recently. At least 2 of them. I was confused about The Empire Strikes Back because I couldn't find it. They look great. I was thinking the same thing you did. Fan edits, I don't know. Not really a fan of those. But these are scans of the original versions. I'm fine with that. Now I'm waiting for an updated version of The Empire Strikes Back. I would love to get all original versions of all the movies. Including the prequels. Apparently, there's a team working on Episode I. And no joke, I've seen attempts on The Star Wars Holiday Special.
I think we should all be able to watch the original versions of these movies if we want too. I love these fan projects because we get to see versions of these movies that would otherwise be lost forever. Glad you enjoyed the video!
@@EverSerpa29 The BETA version is still great.
@@EverSerpa29 I was confused about that.
@@BraveBladeProductions I saw the original theatrical releases in theaters in 1977, 1979 (redubbed with the subtitle "A New Hope"), 1980, and 1983. I haven't seen the 4K versions, but I did manage to score the Harmey's Despecialized editions of them, and they look great as well.
I'm actually a little surprised that Disney hasn't come after these people for doing this, even though they all say that you should (at least) own the VHS/DVD/Blu-Ray media and/or have a Disney+ subscription. IIRC, 20th Century Fox had an agreement with Lucasfilm to not release the original version of Star Wars for a certain number of years, but I think that has expired by now. I believe they are also now owned by Disney, so..... they COULD do it if they wanted to. But maybe that's why they aren't going after these "fan edits", because it's saving them from the expense of doing it. Hard to say.
Also, the "mania" that followed the release of Star Wars has NOT been "over-hyped". I was there, I saw it. It happened just as people claim. The 1970s were an interesting time to be alive.
Since discovering these 4K versions I've never gone back to other versions
Makes sense.
I grew up watching the original editions on VHS and only saw Special Editions when I was a teenager. My preferred version to watch are Adywan’s Star Wars Revisited project, that takes the best of both and fixes a bunch of small issues that the SE never corrected
Very cool.
We stood in line for 6 hours to watch the Seattle premiere of Star Wars at a midnight showing. The film far exceeded our expectations. I hope the 4K77 version is officially reconginzed and licensed so that it can be purchased. Thanks.
i watched 4k77 a while back and it was amazing seeing it as it would have been originally, without the newer bs tacked on. it's aged like fine wine!
Just as a film like this should.
I also love how this project introduces a lot of folk to what quality proper master files have compared to what most are used to.
A gig a minute is about average for decent prores or dnx masters.
Dcp masters for projection are often 2 to 10 tb.
I wish they had done something other than mkv for their releases. Mkv are open source, but has a lot of issues and almost need ffmpeg to playback.
Yeah, I’ve never downloaded movie files this big in my life.
You should be able to play .mkv with mpv or VLC on Windows and IINA or VLC on Mac. I’d recommend those media players in general for playing most video files. I’ve never had any issues with IINA playing the format. MKV can contain multiple audio streams and subtitles so it is preferred for movies usually.
(If you were referring to using ffmpeg with a command line interface)
I was moreso meaning for playback within an NLE.@@yommish
How do we join the forum ? Needs a code from a member ?
The only version that won an award was the original version. They should remove that label from every modified version made since.
lol.
Great job. I am one of the few that saw star wars in '77 and over the years watched it one hundred billion trillion times before they fu @@#$$##cked it up. And han shot 1st❤😂⭐
Btw issues with skipping around while watching the movie is because your GPU could not handle the higher bitrate of the file. The decode/encode was just not fast enough (maybe cpu as well)
That would be the culprit.
I hate it when movie studios try to remove the grain from films. It's a really weird thing to want to do. Grain is the image. Grain is to film image as pixels are to a digital image. Trying to remove the grain is like trying to remove the film. And I understand that some film stock is grainier than others, and some productions have more grain because of the lighting they used and so on. But that's part of the story of the film. It would be like trying to remove the brush marks from an oil painting.
Stop changing films I say.
this video perfectly expresses my love for 4K77
I literally burned all 3 movies onto 4K discs and workshopped my own case and cover using the original movie posters for each as well, love these so much
Great video man! Glad my instructions helped out
Legend! Thanks for your help man!
What are these instructions?
@@johncooley4472 YES! That would have been the most helpful part of the video
@@SuperFurry100 agreed!
Yes! How do we download this? I'd love to be able to share this with my nephews!
Its like listening to Dark Side of the Moon on vynal vs MP3. Its just a completely different experience. When watching 4k77 with no DNR and all of that sand and film grain, and reel change mark, you feel instantly transported to 1977. You might as well be watching it on a projector. 4k80 is still in beta, so it's just going to get better. I feel 4k80 needs a major volume boost. In the "side projects" section there is a version of 4k83 that has HDR, and that is my preferred version of watching that film. I think RotJ had the most offensive changes to it, with all of the cgi added to jabbed palace, blinking ewoks, and vader yelling "Nooooo!" at the end. All of the additions just feel out of place. I'm glad the younger generation can appreciate the original versions too. I initially thought the project was just for those that grew up with the originals, but it is not and I'm glad I'm wrong. Its for the love of Star Wars. I'll never watch the official releases again.
The Special Editions do feel like a sort of remix of the Original Films.
Although I will say, the latest 50th anniversary remaster that they just came out with for Dark Side of the Moon sounds fantastic.
I'm fine with remastering original film and audio. What George Lucas is doing is more like a remix though. Imagine if Pink Floyd re-released their 1970s albums with dubstep bass sounds and some techno style kick drums saying 'that's the way we wanted to make it but we didn't have the budget or technology to do it that way' and then banned their record label from ever selling or broadcasting the original versions again. That's what George Lucas did with Star Wars lol
@@breakfasthole3851 It's barely noticable though. Especially when you are looking at the films besides A New Hope
@@officialmonarchmusic I disagree (except for the part about New Hope having the most noticeable changes). There's lots of parts that stand out as a jarring difference between practical effects and CGI. The wampa scene in Empire Strikes Back worked well but I'm not a fan of much else in the special editions.
Great video mate, How do I get the Invitation code? I really wish to see the original version for the first time.
It’s all on the forums linked in the description.
I too, wanted to obtain the movies many months ago but was stuck at the code where there is "0" information that explain how to get!
I am interested in seeing these versions from a historical perspective, but I still feel like it's important to understand why Lucas did what he did with these films. I'd point towards a particular video from Rick Worley about this, but I'll just say that despite what fan's personal feelings on the subject are, Lucas, as the creator of this entire story, most certainly had every right to change the films as he saw fit.
Lucas has a right to change the films they are his creations. He doesn’t owe the fans anything.
Absolutely. I think we have the best scenario right now, with the original versions of the films being available but hard to get. That way, anyone who REALLY feels the need to see them can do so, but the general public will go on with the final version as THEIR Star Wars, which is what George Lucas intended. Because you know that if we get a 4k rerelease a bunch of horrible parents will start forcing their kids to only see the original version...
@@officialmonarchmusic Exactly! It would be doing a large disservice to how we should experience Lucas's Star Wars Saga as it stands today to have people claiming what he believes to be inferior versions of the films as the only true way to watch them.
@@elijahd.techgnostic I agree. I'm glad that they can exist for nostalgic fans, but I don't want this to take over, which is what I fear will happen if they become easily available in 4k
Yes he does but he blew it up to quote Heston. The bars scene is pure cringe, Han and Greedo scene was butchered and more nonsense was done. It's his right. He can burn it down if he wants to again and again. James Cameron hasn't tinkered with T1 for example. Lucas' antics are an exception to the norm of what people do to their movies.
It’s frustrating that there are people who have never seen the original cuts and want to desperately, but can’t because Lucas. I got to see the originals back in the day. Why shouldn’t my kids get to see them too? The amount of work put into these editions by fans (who aren’t even getting paid, btw) is staggering. Disney needs to clean up the originals and release them for all to enjoy.
God bless the fans.
Fully agree. George is a gatekeeping asshat for not allowing the originals to be remastered and rereleased. The Special Editions are abysmal and he tarnished the work of hundreds of other people when he released them.
Out of respect to Lucas's wishes, they will never release the originals while he is alive.
@@PaulMDavidson the Force is calling you, George!
Deleted my past comment, because... I downloaded 4K77, copied it to a USB drive, and watched it on TV through my xbox with VLC installed. I think I've just moved on from Despecialized, now. This is honestly the most authentic and beautiful version of Star Wars there is, and once I buy a larger USB drive, I'll download and copy the other 4K Projects onto it because watching the most authentic original untampered version of the single greatest fantasy film of all time on a nice large TV screen was a spiritual awakening for me.
Awesome stuff!
I'd also like to see a version that only cleans up the graininess and the artifacts from the special effects such as the distortion underneath the landspeeder and mattes from around the ships as they move thru space.
Exactly
My preferred viewing editions are D+77, D+80 and OTD83.
Great choices.
The superior choice. I still kept my copies of 4K77 etc, but I don't see myself watching them again.
I saw Star Wars in the theater in 1977 when I was 12 years old. Naturally, I prefer that version. I have no problem with the later versions existing, and if people want to watch those I'm fine with it. But there's no reason to not make the original available. It was a milestone in the history of cinema; it's a travesty to not release it.
But what were your thoughts on the digital noise reduction? On or off??
Off, you want the feel of a movie from the 70s.
I was a 90's kid so the prequels were the first main contact I have with the saga at the time, and I remember learning about the original trilogy eventually. So when I finally got copies of the films on DVD, I was so impressed by the trilogy, the story, the settings, the characters, tone and of course, the special effects. I was so heartbroken when I learned that the movies I watched were the special editions because I asumed I was watching the films in the way they were released at that time, and the fact that these impresive visuals were released in those years blew me away. So when I undestood that they were edited in a new version in 1997, it felt like cheating or something.
Definitely felt weird finding out they weren’t the original movies.
I grew up with the original releases and I only watch the despecialized versions. George ruined the films for me. Now i need to get the 4k ones. 😂
Sounds perfect for you.
Too bad you didn't catch the original versions in the movie theatres when they were actually playing in 1977, 1980, and 1983. Only some of us can lay claim to such things! I saw Empire 5 or 6 times in 1980-1981. Same with Jedi. Star Wars only twice.
Yup; _Star Wars_ in ‘77 then _Superman_ in ‘78. What a great time it was to be a child!
Return of the Jedi’s tone is by far the one most affected by the special edition. The original doesn’t have the song and dance chi jabba palace cartoon. It has a more serious tone. When Vader throws the e_____over a rail he doesn’t yell no like Frankenstein which is a travesty of cheese. The ending celebration is very different. New scenes. New music. The actor that played Anakin being replaced by Hayden.
Return of the Jedi got the works.
I was born in 79 so for the first part of my life, the vhs versions of the original trilogy were what I knew until 1997. I even bought the special vhs thx box set widescreen edition in 1995.
I was a part of a generation that saw great advances in special effects on screen. Movies like Jurassic Park were core memories and I suspect that people that grew up in the 70’s felt the same about star wars. So when the special editions came out, I remember feeling like I was seeing something amazing. I watched all 3 in the theater and loved all of them, completely oblivious that many people didn’t like them. As a teenager in the 90’s it was just considered an awesome experience in my age group.
But as I grew older, I have come around to fully understand why people were pissed about the special editions and have come to feel that the originals are more meaningful and genuine experiences. I still have that vhs widescreen collection and I know it will never be as good as any 4k restoration of the original 35mm print, but it will always be special to me.
If would be amazing to rent a cinema and watch these versions 🥳
Good video, but I DETEST when someone uses a blaring, twice-as-loud-as-the-speaking noise from-out-of-nowhere in their videos that I have to keep adjusting the volume up and down for. I've experienced this several times lately from different content creators and it adds nothing to watching these videos. Just offering an opinion that may or may not help you out!
Haha, yeah I understand what you're saying. I'm still experimenting with my editing style, so I appreciate the feedback. Glad you enjoyed the video otherwise.
These releases are great. I'll say this though, Harmy recently released Return of the Jedi Despecialized v3.1 and that's my personal preferred restoration to watch now. The main source is the official 4K Blu-ray special editions, with 4k83 v2.0 used to restore altered shots. He cleans up the frozen DNR grain from the official 4k discs and replaces it with more natural looking grain, closer to how it would look from a proper scan from the 4k negative. Likewise, the 4k83 footage was degrained and replaced with finer grain to match. It may remove the feeling of pure authenticity that Team Negative One's 4k releases have, but there's definitely more detail in the image and is closer to how a proper modern remaster of these films would and should look.
How the hell does one get a copy of these? I own laserdiscs to the originals so I don't worry about the legalities because I can legally own a backup. However, that still doesn't give me any way to get the 4k versions of these. Please help!
Get onto the 4K77 forums the guide is there.
Harmy's Despecialized Edition from 2011 definitely worth a look at, it's the only version I would watch, but i might check these ones out if I get a 4K TV
Heard a lot of good things about Harmy’s. It’s on the list.
For me, the 2004 DVD version is THE version to watch if you’re going to watch all six films. That one feels the most cohesive with the Prequels especially since it was released during the height of the prequel production. And it’s also the least offensive with the changes. But I love my despecialized editions I have on Blu-ray Disc. Although I see them more as a novelty and a sort of time capsule. But I wouldn’t show it to a first time viewer if I were to show all six films. Like I said before, the ‘04 editions are the best for full saga watch.
The special editions work much more cohesively with the Prequels. Probably the best aspect of them.
@@BraveBladeProductions The problem is that the prequels are complete garbage. Changing the original movies so they fit better with the awful prequels isn't a good thing.
I saw it a number of times in theaters in '77. I was born in September '65 so I guess I was 11 at the time and the ol' memory is a little fuzzy but...
For all the talk of CGI and who shot first, one thing that stands out in my mind is just before Luke and Leia swing across the chasm in the death star the original release didn't have much of of an echo to their voices (if any) but it was added in shortly after.
The only changes that should have been made was to add some of the deleted scenes. Like Luke finishing his green Saber, Luke jumping up to the grate in the rancor pit etc. The special edition are not necessary!
the problem with HD versions of SW is that you can really see details you weren't meant to see with such clarity. It sort of breaks immersion when you realise that stormtrooper boots are literally ankle high Chelsea boots painted white (you can really see this on Han when he puts his feet up on the console in the detention centre control room.
idk, i think details like that are cute and charming and adds a sense of messy, gritty authenticity to what filmmaking was like back then that you NEVER see nowadays with all this bloated, over-polished cg in every scene no matter how mundane it is
if you saw this in a theater in 1977 or even the re release in 1997, you were definitely seeing an "HD" version of Star Wars with all those details intact, 35mm film is and has always been an ultra HD format before any such thing existed in the home.
anyway, stop looking at his shoes👍
They should really re-release the TRUE original theater version, warts and all. Call it .....STAR WARTS (ill let myself out)
These have them warts and cigarette burns 👍
Which one?
Checked the link in the description and I gave up after reading one too many terms and programs that I didn't understand.