"Oh what's your major?" "Honours double major in melee tech and astrophysics. But I think I'm gonna drop the physics because I don't have time to study for it after I'm done all my melee homework."
I mean you should've at least learned how knockdown works, so you can then work from there to figure out things like tech chases or punishes. As well as learning the inner workings of how jab reset works which is vital for most of the cast as theres some punish that begins with a jab reset ie puff: jab-reset > rest, fox: jab-reset > up-smash, falcon: jab-reset > combo starter, shiek: jab-reset > down-throw, etc
Spectator here, I just want to be able to watch and instantly understand exactly why players do certain things or how certain interactions work. Makes the already sick gameplay even better
Hax: instead of hitting him at frame 5, wait exactly one frame later and hit him at frame 6 if you're attacking with falco back air me: y-yes...sir... *feebly fumbles with controller*
ooh! you should try [th-cam.com/video/goad2ijHBE8/w-d-xo.html] and the other 0x A press videos (mostly by th-cam.com/users/pannenkoek2012 ), if you haven't already!
You'd probably also love the video about the Peach Break the Targets World Record: th-cam.com/video/FnKWKICUqWU/w-d-xo.html Its an hour long but its so fascinating that it doesn't feel like it
"transitions directly into get-up if the attack deals less than 13 hitstun" now i understand why Falcon can jab reset himself but not spacies Falcon's jab does 14h on Fox and Falco so they can buffer roll away and avoid the forced getup however it does 13h on Falcon and Sheik it also does 13h on Marth but Marth's lower gravity can't compensate for the knockback, so he avoids the jab reset a difference of just one frame in terms of hitstun could've made the Falcon vs spacies MU *much* easier lol
Aziz is so thoroughly a Fox main now that I can only imagine he did something hugely symbolic like throw his electric guitar into a volcano after staring into it pensively for 8 minutes when he made the decision to drop Falcon for good.
I can't express enough how much you do for the nouveux melee scene. Every Doc kid and rollback scrub trying to get better at the game needs to watch your videos. You're doing a great thing for the community.
bro I was literally just wandering why dair shine wouldn't work sometimes, and why they would become actionable so fast after getting hit with shine. thanks hax
Great video Hax!! I love your channel and these scripts! Just a small grammar correction if i may. You should say, for example, 'if he HAD entered downdamage...' instead of 'if he WOULD HAVE entered downdamage...' The formula for the past conditional comes in two parts: 'if he had ____, he would have _______' and sometimes we mix them up. Cheers!
Honestly, with all the things that were learned about Melee since its release, you could make a college course following it and that still won't be enough time to learn everything
This videos are awesome hax! I research stuff on smash 64 and always get new ideas to test from your vids. Btw, in smash 64 characters always stay grounded during no-tech. Usually the mechanics are much more simple.
If the staleness adds multiplicatively then the actual percent down would be ~38% down or 62.8% of original attack strength with 9 stales. It would only be 45 if the percents were added and then multiplied and maybe they are I’m honestly not sure but it matters for the math.
I recently picked up Falcon and have been frustrated at the "randomness" of getting a follow-up off of stomp after missed tech. This helps a lot! I'm not good enough to take advantage of the anti-floorhugging technique in the same way, say, Leffen or Hbox are, but now I know to at least try and aim for the aerial frames of GroundBound when using nonspike moves ^_^
@@rangodash for fun! My hands and brain aren't fast enough for Fox, but I wanted a change from Marth, and Falcon's combo game is really satisfying (and pretty easy lol)
@@Pslamist he's so cool! It took me a while to understand that being on a platform wasn't a bad thing - Marth so seldomly wants to be anywhere other than the ground
Fucking love your videos and everything you bring to Melee. Even love your clickbait ass titles. You have like a patreon or something I know Hax fucking money doesn't need handouts but I'd love a method to show my support other than the unwavering love and passion we share for this game.
I mean half of the characters are practically unviable competitively, 6 out of 18 stages are tournament legal, and none of the major tech skills (L-cancel, jump cancel, wave dash, etc) are mentioned anywhere in the game or the official manual. Also every sequel Smash game has gone out of its way to either not include, or include + severely nerf any of the cool tech skills from Melee. I think it was overall an accident, although certain high-skill moves that benefit competitive play were added intentionally, like L-canceling and wave dashing.
Anyone know if hitlag is variable? The final examples made it sound like they are but I wouldn’t be surprised if they also scaled based on stuff like stale moves
So does the ecb not matter when using spike/meteor moves? The was it was phrased made it seem like the only thing that mattered for these moves was the fact that they were airborne frames.
Those represent the previous frame’s ECB position, which I believe are used to help calculate and correct the final position of the ECB along with the white outline around the orange one in the front that acts as a prediction of its position to an extent.
Hax needs someone to help him script and record these videos. The info is great, but an engaging delivery with a couple jokes would catapult these videos to triple the views and instantly enter the melee zeitgeist. Would love to right punchlines and transitions for this shit.
I would've thought the strangest state in Melee would be North Carolina, but this makes more sense.
ROFL this made me laugh kinda hard
lmaooo
could someone explain the joke?
The sky is blue.
@@dcscorch969 It's where they stack it up.
"Oh what's your major?"
"Honours double major in melee tech and astrophysics. But I think I'm gonna drop the physics because I don't have time to study for it after I'm done all my melee homework."
Bold of you to assume that I am able to wait a precise amount of frames instead of randomly pressing buttons.
i need a 10 hour lo-fi vid of hax$ explaining advanced melee tech in his sultry deep voice
This is actually such a good idea
Kinda like the music Akira the Don makes.
Shoutouts to all my low level players who didn't really learn anything to implement from this video
There is so much knowledge here, and so little ability to implement it in any meaningful way.
I mean you should've at least learned how knockdown works, so you can then work from there to figure out things like tech chases or punishes. As well as learning the inner workings of how jab reset works which is vital for most of the cast as theres some punish that begins with a jab reset ie puff: jab-reset > rest, fox: jab-reset > up-smash, falcon: jab-reset > combo starter, shiek: jab-reset > down-throw, etc
Spectator here, I just want to be able to watch and instantly understand exactly why players do certain things or how certain interactions work. Makes the already sick gameplay even better
The jab reset stuff on whether you could roll is definitely intuitively implementable.
I don't even play melee and there's no way I would ever remember this while watching a tourney lol
It's just interesting and fun to watch I suppose
Hax: instead of hitting him at frame 5, wait exactly one frame later and hit him at frame 6 if you're attacking with falco back air
me: y-yes...sir... *feebly fumbles with controller*
Me: *misses L-Cancel, air dodges off ledge, dies*
shout out aziz for making this video 60fps, black text cards never looked so smooth
Hahahaha, you got me good
I don't even play melee but I love seeing people go all the way into systems like this
ooh! you should try [th-cam.com/video/goad2ijHBE8/w-d-xo.html] and the other 0x A press videos (mostly by th-cam.com/users/pannenkoek2012 ), if you haven't already!
@@CharlotteMimic dude wtf are those videos
You'd probably also love the video about the Peach Break the Targets World Record: th-cam.com/video/FnKWKICUqWU/w-d-xo.html
Its an hour long but its so fascinating that it doesn't feel like it
Stop watching; start playing.
Remember the old days of Melee where frame data for moves/getup was already considered holy knowledge?
It's come a long way in twenty years.
Nobody can say this isn't the most nuanced fighting game of all-time..
you might be right but let me try:
"this is the most nuanced fighting game of all-time"
nope. it just auto-corrected every time i tried.
"transitions directly into get-up if the attack deals less than 13 hitstun"
now i understand why Falcon can jab reset himself but not spacies
Falcon's jab does 14h on Fox and Falco so they can buffer roll away and avoid the forced getup
however it does 13h on Falcon and Sheik
it also does 13h on Marth but Marth's lower gravity can't compensate for the knockback, so he avoids the jab reset
a difference of just one frame in terms of hitstun could've made the Falcon vs spacies MU *much* easier lol
This is such an indepth video. It's crazy that melee is still be analyzed to such a high level to this very day. Love the content Hax.
Aziz is so thoroughly a Fox main now that I can only imagine he did something hugely symbolic like throw his electric guitar into a volcano after staring into it pensively for 8 minutes when he made the decision to drop Falcon for good.
it was a mirror. to this day, he still doesn't know if it was he that shattered it, or his reflection.
Hax uploads execution testing me seeing how fast i can click on 'em
I swear, eventually melee players gonna be able to count frames during gameplay
Thats pretty much what every high skilled melee player does to get frame perfect execution
I was hoping there would be a joke about how the Arizona smash scene is the strangest state in SSBM
Strangest, in some ways, but we're also one of the most community-driven, in my opinion.
I can't express enough how much you do for the nouveux melee scene. Every Doc kid and rollback scrub trying to get better at the game needs to watch your videos. You're doing a great thing for the community.
Master Hax$, I see your findings hitting the mainstream in 2 years.
Godspeed.
Finally someone made sense of one of the most mysterious aspects of melee. Thank you Senpai
8:07 It seems Yoshi just bounces off the air molecules
Y'know, these videos make me question whether anyone loves Melee as much as Hax
Tyler nice profile pic, probably my 2nd favorite ELO album
these melee lectures are so sleek. thanks hax
Holy moly I mean I knew you could tipper the bounce but I did not know the game states behind it
Hax back with the easy to understand educational content. Picked up right where you left off and the quality still as good as ever
bro I was literally just wandering why dair shine wouldn't work sometimes, and why they would become actionable so fast after getting hit with shine. thanks hax
Hax before: Here’s how you can live forever in melee
Hax now: Jab reset is deeper than you think.
Great video Hax!! I love your channel and these scripts!
Just a small grammar correction if i may. You should say, for example, 'if he HAD entered downdamage...' instead of 'if he WOULD HAVE entered downdamage...' The formula for the past conditional comes in two parts: 'if he had ____, he would have _______' and sometimes we mix them up.
Cheers!
when i heard him say "knock" in the beginning, I immediately thought he was about to say a knock knock joke.
All my questions with this game have been answered
God damn you nailed the editing at 9:05. Most videos would have played them both at the same time side by side. God bless. I see u ✊😔
omg ive honestly been wondering about why fox looks like that when he gets shined
Bro idk wtf you saying but I enjoy your voice. Liked
Honestly, with all the things that were learned about Melee since its release, you could make a college course following it and that still won't be enough time to learn everything
This videos are awesome hax! I research stuff on smash 64 and always get new ideas to test from your vids.
Btw, in smash 64 characters always stay grounded during no-tech. Usually the mechanics are much more simple.
If the staleness adds multiplicatively then the actual percent down would be ~38% down or 62.8% of original attack strength with 9 stales. It would only be 45 if the percents were added and then multiplied and maybe they are I’m honestly not sure but it matters for the math.
Love ur in depth melee info hax. Keep up the good work
I recently picked up Falcon and have been frustrated at the "randomness" of getting a follow-up off of stomp after missed tech. This helps a lot!
I'm not good enough to take advantage of the anti-floorhugging technique in the same way, say, Leffen or Hbox are, but now I know to at least try and aim for the aerial frames of GroundBound when using nonspike moves ^_^
You.....picked up falcon?
Why?
@@rangodash for fun! My hands and brain aren't fast enough for Fox, but I wanted a change from Marth, and Falcon's combo game is really satisfying (and pretty easy lol)
@@CharlotteMimic - It's really easy to fall in love with his movement.
@@Pslamist he's so cool! It took me a while to understand that being on a platform wasn't a bad thing - Marth so seldomly wants to be anywhere other than the ground
100% quality no bullshit, hard research that he's sharing with the community. This kind of commitment is rare in the present day.
I love these videos so much man
Very informative & interesting! Thanks for uploading!
The Pannenkoek2012 of Melee
Great video for a ice climber main! Keep it up 👍
Hax be like: In conclusion Fox has the best getup
at last we''ve come full circle to missing techs being bad again
Fantastic work man.
Glad we're back! :D
Bruh I was floorhugging and didn’t even know it! This makes so much sense! Thank you!
I’ve always wondered why that happens when falco shines half to time thanks hax
Thank you so much. I never knew why people would fly out of my shine sometimes ;]
Fucking love your videos and everything you bring to Melee. Even love your clickbait ass titles. You have like a patreon or something I know Hax fucking money doesn't need handouts but I'd love a method to show my support other than the unwavering love and passion we share for this game.
this actually explains so much about jab resets dependence on states that i should have already known
High quality content, thank you hax for sharing with us how to kill fox better (Y)
Y'all really out here researching melee like it's the cure to cancer. I love it.
hax vids so goddamn good
I swear to god this game is some sort of massive government, illuminatti, or alien conspiracy. It's too ridiculous to just be a video game.
Hell yeah new video
Shoutout to my colorblind melee players who cant read the graphs in this video
Knockdown is the Florida of melee
the becoming actionable after shine thing has been happening to me all the time. Now i know why (its because I spam shine).
I’ll watch this video inside, the wind makes it too hard to hear
Melee is turning into a fucking math equation in real time.
oh wait, it always was. We are just advancing in the courses the more tech is found.
my god hax, you're doing the lord's work
to this day, i refuse to believe Melee was an “accident “
I mean half of the characters are practically unviable competitively, 6 out of 18 stages are tournament legal, and none of the major tech skills (L-cancel, jump cancel, wave dash, etc) are mentioned anywhere in the game or the official manual. Also every sequel Smash game has gone out of its way to either not include, or include + severely nerf any of the cool tech skills from Melee.
I think it was overall an accident, although certain high-skill moves that benefit competitive play were added intentionally, like L-canceling and wave dashing.
@@AssailantLF wavedashing wasn't intentional, it was a quirk of the physics engine that the devs decided to leave in
You could add your melee mathematics frame perfect into a super advanced AI & challenge real player against it.
Came for the Florida, stayed for the knockdown
You need a PhD in melee to fully understand it
Is this the counter to the recent slide off meta development?
yup
SICK
Thanks
When did Amsah Tech get re-branded as "floor hug"?
Anyone know if hitlag is variable?
The final examples made it sound like they are but I wouldn’t be surprised if they also scaled based on stuff like stale moves
Melee is sick
sick thank you
5:27 Hold UP? Blasphemy.
Really cool vid, my only suggestion is to add some background music. It’ll help keep the audience invested.
This is the gimrs lab of melee
So does the ecb not matter when using spike/meteor moves? The was it was phrased made it seem like the only thing that mattered for these moves was the fact that they were airborne frames.
wow dad thanks
Florida
Lol hax is such s Virgo
its so awesome how detailed and analytical he is
I love it when you get all dirty with me when talking about melee.
Is this why ness dash attack is the way it is?
Could you sdi or asdi down to deny the floor hug denial?
Hax Money, PhD.
Cool tech but Should these really work normally or It Is Just a "melee Is a broken game" situation?
tl;dw - use moves that do less than 7% to jab reset, hit people after they bounce off the ground to stop them from floor hugging.
Thanks to this video I successfully managed to miss DK's down-B on an opponent during DownBound ⌉O_o⌈
It just get deeper
mfs smash graphs don't have enough annotations
edit: ECB - ethereal collision blob
I fucking love your videos Aziz
what are the red ecb’s that trail behind used for?
Those represent the previous frame’s ECB position, which I believe are used to help calculate and correct the final position of the ECB along with the white outline around the orange one in the front that acts as a prediction of its position to an extent.
Brawltendo thank you
Brawltendo I wanna be able to recreate the system close enough in unity (for fun) so im trying to learn as much as i can about how it’s made
M2K be like I knew this before you where born kid
Very good for learn nice
besides Missouri
Bruh moment
downbound doesn't even sound like anything anymore. downbound. daunbaun. donboun. deoannnnnnnnnnbb
hey hax ur handsome
very coo
Hax needs someone to help him script and record these videos. The info is great, but an engaging delivery with a couple jokes would catapult these videos to triple the views and instantly enter the melee zeitgeist. Would love to right punchlines and transitions for this shit.
I actually believe they are made exactly the way he wants them to be. He wants the information to speak for itself.
melee asmr?
Does he have a twitch?