The Strangest State in SSBM

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  • @emmbeesea
    @emmbeesea 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1119

    I would've thought the strangest state in Melee would be North Carolina, but this makes more sense.

    • @swishing5568
      @swishing5568 4 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      ROFL this made me laugh kinda hard

    • @clemmm.
      @clemmm. 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      lmaooo

    • @dcscorch969
      @dcscorch969 4 ปีที่แล้ว +9

      could someone explain the joke?

    • @siggycertified
      @siggycertified 4 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      The sky is blue.

    • @calvino6949
      @calvino6949 4 ปีที่แล้ว +45

      @@dcscorch969 It's where they stack it up.

  • @jarroddobben
    @jarroddobben 4 ปีที่แล้ว +114

    "Oh what's your major?"
    "Honours double major in melee tech and astrophysics. But I think I'm gonna drop the physics because I don't have time to study for it after I'm done all my melee homework."

  • @DarkwingDuc
    @DarkwingDuc 4 ปีที่แล้ว +206

    Bold of you to assume that I am able to wait a precise amount of frames instead of randomly pressing buttons.

  • @busterdrawls8514
    @busterdrawls8514 4 ปีที่แล้ว +372

    i need a 10 hour lo-fi vid of hax$ explaining advanced melee tech in his sultry deep voice

    • @lukenawrocki5042
      @lukenawrocki5042 4 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      This is actually such a good idea

    • @Elundis
      @Elundis 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Kinda like the music Akira the Don makes.

  • @griffinmomsen-hudson2046
    @griffinmomsen-hudson2046 4 ปีที่แล้ว +588

    Shoutouts to all my low level players who didn't really learn anything to implement from this video

    • @christopheraustin1173
      @christopheraustin1173 4 ปีที่แล้ว +31

      There is so much knowledge here, and so little ability to implement it in any meaningful way.

    • @TPBvirus
      @TPBvirus 4 ปีที่แล้ว +12

      I mean you should've at least learned how knockdown works, so you can then work from there to figure out things like tech chases or punishes. As well as learning the inner workings of how jab reset works which is vital for most of the cast as theres some punish that begins with a jab reset ie puff: jab-reset > rest, fox: jab-reset > up-smash, falcon: jab-reset > combo starter, shiek: jab-reset > down-throw, etc

    • @Skapes11238
      @Skapes11238 4 ปีที่แล้ว +30

      Spectator here, I just want to be able to watch and instantly understand exactly why players do certain things or how certain interactions work. Makes the already sick gameplay even better

    • @DerpsGW
      @DerpsGW 4 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      The jab reset stuff on whether you could roll is definitely intuitively implementable.

    • @tkri
      @tkri 4 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      I don't even play melee and there's no way I would ever remember this while watching a tourney lol
      It's just interesting and fun to watch I suppose

  • @elvissimo
    @elvissimo 4 ปีที่แล้ว +154

    Hax: instead of hitting him at frame 5, wait exactly one frame later and hit him at frame 6 if you're attacking with falco back air
    me: y-yes...sir... *feebly fumbles with controller*

    • @xx-cj6ew
      @xx-cj6ew 4 ปีที่แล้ว +37

      Me: *misses L-Cancel, air dodges off ledge, dies*

  • @reyminder
    @reyminder 4 ปีที่แล้ว +62

    shout out aziz for making this video 60fps, black text cards never looked so smooth

    • @lightbrand_
      @lightbrand_ 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Hahahaha, you got me good

  • @datmouseb
    @datmouseb 4 ปีที่แล้ว +121

    I don't even play melee but I love seeing people go all the way into systems like this

    • @CharlotteMimic
      @CharlotteMimic 4 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      ooh! you should try [th-cam.com/video/goad2ijHBE8/w-d-xo.html] and the other 0x A press videos (mostly by th-cam.com/users/pannenkoek2012 ), if you haven't already!

    • @IAm-zo1bo
      @IAm-zo1bo 4 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      @@CharlotteMimic dude wtf are those videos

    • @connorthornberg
      @connorthornberg 4 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      You'd probably also love the video about the Peach Break the Targets World Record: th-cam.com/video/FnKWKICUqWU/w-d-xo.html
      Its an hour long but its so fascinating that it doesn't feel like it

    • @ActionGamerAaron
      @ActionGamerAaron 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Stop watching; start playing.

  • @NonRandomUser
    @NonRandomUser 4 ปีที่แล้ว +15

    Remember the old days of Melee where frame data for moves/getup was already considered holy knowledge?
    It's come a long way in twenty years.

  • @Tyler-du3yl
    @Tyler-du3yl 4 ปีที่แล้ว +38

    Nobody can say this isn't the most nuanced fighting game of all-time..

    • @trouncerrredits
      @trouncerrredits 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      you might be right but let me try:
      "this is the most nuanced fighting game of all-time"
      nope. it just auto-corrected every time i tried.

  • @LunarySSF2
    @LunarySSF2 4 ปีที่แล้ว +26

    "transitions directly into get-up if the attack deals less than 13 hitstun"
    now i understand why Falcon can jab reset himself but not spacies
    Falcon's jab does 14h on Fox and Falco so they can buffer roll away and avoid the forced getup
    however it does 13h on Falcon and Sheik
    it also does 13h on Marth but Marth's lower gravity can't compensate for the knockback, so he avoids the jab reset
    a difference of just one frame in terms of hitstun could've made the Falcon vs spacies MU *much* easier lol

  • @TheMonarchOfTetris
    @TheMonarchOfTetris 4 ปีที่แล้ว +38

    This is such an indepth video. It's crazy that melee is still be analyzed to such a high level to this very day. Love the content Hax.

  • @sinisterhiss
    @sinisterhiss 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Aziz is so thoroughly a Fox main now that I can only imagine he did something hugely symbolic like throw his electric guitar into a volcano after staring into it pensively for 8 minutes when he made the decision to drop Falcon for good.

    • @trouncerrredits
      @trouncerrredits 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      it was a mirror. to this day, he still doesn't know if it was he that shattered it, or his reflection.

  • @acr1327
    @acr1327 4 ปีที่แล้ว +40

    Hax uploads execution testing me seeing how fast i can click on 'em

  • @blackghostcat
    @blackghostcat 4 ปีที่แล้ว +16

    I swear, eventually melee players gonna be able to count frames during gameplay

    • @dunK1x
      @dunK1x 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Thats pretty much what every high skilled melee player does to get frame perfect execution

  • @Alex-sq8xm
    @Alex-sq8xm 4 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    I was hoping there would be a joke about how the Arizona smash scene is the strangest state in SSBM

    • @Pslamist
      @Pslamist 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Strangest, in some ways, but we're also one of the most community-driven, in my opinion.

  • @jactotum
    @jactotum 4 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    I can't express enough how much you do for the nouveux melee scene. Every Doc kid and rollback scrub trying to get better at the game needs to watch your videos. You're doing a great thing for the community.

  • @Maquox
    @Maquox 4 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    Master Hax$, I see your findings hitting the mainstream in 2 years.
    Godspeed.

  • @tariqalsuhaibany2056
    @tariqalsuhaibany2056 4 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Finally someone made sense of one of the most mysterious aspects of melee. Thank you Senpai

  • @doggo6131
    @doggo6131 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    8:07 It seems Yoshi just bounces off the air molecules

  • @zsdghl
    @zsdghl 4 ปีที่แล้ว +24

    Y'know, these videos make me question whether anyone loves Melee as much as Hax

    • @jacintotamez8597
      @jacintotamez8597 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Tyler nice profile pic, probably my 2nd favorite ELO album

  • @Jfoltz39
    @Jfoltz39 4 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    these melee lectures are so sleek. thanks hax

  • @ParagonPKC
    @ParagonPKC 4 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    Holy moly I mean I knew you could tipper the bounce but I did not know the game states behind it

  • @versutus2699
    @versutus2699 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Hax back with the easy to understand educational content. Picked up right where you left off and the quality still as good as ever

  • @doggles9285
    @doggles9285 4 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    bro I was literally just wandering why dair shine wouldn't work sometimes, and why they would become actionable so fast after getting hit with shine. thanks hax

  • @yelv
    @yelv 4 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    Hax before: Here’s how you can live forever in melee
    Hax now: Jab reset is deeper than you think.

  • @drewmetra
    @drewmetra 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Great video Hax!! I love your channel and these scripts!
    Just a small grammar correction if i may. You should say, for example, 'if he HAD entered downdamage...' instead of 'if he WOULD HAVE entered downdamage...' The formula for the past conditional comes in two parts: 'if he had ____, he would have _______' and sometimes we mix them up.
    Cheers!

  • @rocketchris853
    @rocketchris853 4 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    when i heard him say "knock" in the beginning, I immediately thought he was about to say a knock knock joke.

  • @2saint
    @2saint 4 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    All my questions with this game have been answered

  • @kegstandjesus
    @kegstandjesus 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    God damn you nailed the editing at 9:05. Most videos would have played them both at the same time side by side. God bless. I see u ✊😔

  • @kidsmitty94
    @kidsmitty94 4 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    omg ive honestly been wondering about why fox looks like that when he gets shined

  • @jrkb89
    @jrkb89 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Bro idk wtf you saying but I enjoy your voice. Liked

  • @phil_matic
    @phil_matic 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Honestly, with all the things that were learned about Melee since its release, you could make a college course following it and that still won't be enough time to learn everything

  • @64kamui
    @64kamui 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    This videos are awesome hax! I research stuff on smash 64 and always get new ideas to test from your vids.
    Btw, in smash 64 characters always stay grounded during no-tech. Usually the mechanics are much more simple.

  • @setstage
    @setstage 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    If the staleness adds multiplicatively then the actual percent down would be ~38% down or 62.8% of original attack strength with 9 stales. It would only be 45 if the percents were added and then multiplied and maybe they are I’m honestly not sure but it matters for the math.

  • @X0v3r
    @X0v3r 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Love ur in depth melee info hax. Keep up the good work

  • @CharlotteMimic
    @CharlotteMimic 4 ปีที่แล้ว +10

    I recently picked up Falcon and have been frustrated at the "randomness" of getting a follow-up off of stomp after missed tech. This helps a lot!
    I'm not good enough to take advantage of the anti-floorhugging technique in the same way, say, Leffen or Hbox are, but now I know to at least try and aim for the aerial frames of GroundBound when using nonspike moves ^_^

    • @rangodash
      @rangodash 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      You.....picked up falcon?
      Why?

    • @CharlotteMimic
      @CharlotteMimic 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@rangodash for fun! My hands and brain aren't fast enough for Fox, but I wanted a change from Marth, and Falcon's combo game is really satisfying (and pretty easy lol)

    • @Pslamist
      @Pslamist 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@CharlotteMimic - It's really easy to fall in love with his movement.

    • @CharlotteMimic
      @CharlotteMimic 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@Pslamist he's so cool! It took me a while to understand that being on a platform wasn't a bad thing - Marth so seldomly wants to be anywhere other than the ground

  • @nickstoltz8817
    @nickstoltz8817 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    100% quality no bullshit, hard research that he's sharing with the community. This kind of commitment is rare in the present day.

  • @maffooo2040
    @maffooo2040 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I love these videos so much man

  • @sagacious03
    @sagacious03 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Very informative & interesting! Thanks for uploading!

  • @bridji3748
    @bridji3748 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    The Pannenkoek2012 of Melee

  • @jessehoag6770
    @jessehoag6770 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Great video for a ice climber main! Keep it up 👍

  • @sandygast9766
    @sandygast9766 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Hax be like: In conclusion Fox has the best getup

  • @johnleecooper8520
    @johnleecooper8520 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    at last we''ve come full circle to missing techs being bad again

  • @blakemcgill8406
    @blakemcgill8406 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Fantastic work man.

  • @ConnorRentz
    @ConnorRentz 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Glad we're back! :D

  • @acidwash.anakin
    @acidwash.anakin 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Bruh I was floorhugging and didn’t even know it! This makes so much sense! Thank you!

  • @zekehorsman9532
    @zekehorsman9532 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    I’ve always wondered why that happens when falco shines half to time thanks hax

  • @riosol8950
    @riosol8950 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Thank you so much. I never knew why people would fly out of my shine sometimes ;]

  • @InsertChannelHere
    @InsertChannelHere 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Fucking love your videos and everything you bring to Melee. Even love your clickbait ass titles. You have like a patreon or something I know Hax fucking money doesn't need handouts but I'd love a method to show my support other than the unwavering love and passion we share for this game.

  • @bruceU
    @bruceU 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    this actually explains so much about jab resets dependence on states that i should have already known

  • @saraht6143
    @saraht6143 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    High quality content, thank you hax for sharing with us how to kill fox better (Y)

  • @whong09
    @whong09 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Y'all really out here researching melee like it's the cure to cancer. I love it.

  • @gaugea
    @gaugea 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    hax vids so goddamn good

  • @Nagstersept109868
    @Nagstersept109868 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    I swear to god this game is some sort of massive government, illuminatti, or alien conspiracy. It's too ridiculous to just be a video game.

  • @ajko000
    @ajko000 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Hell yeah new video

  • @sonesofficial
    @sonesofficial 4 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    Shoutout to my colorblind melee players who cant read the graphs in this video

  • @MrTacticalinuit
    @MrTacticalinuit 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Knockdown is the Florida of melee

  • @thebigawesome9101
    @thebigawesome9101 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    the becoming actionable after shine thing has been happening to me all the time. Now i know why (its because I spam shine).

  • @eftorq
    @eftorq 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I’ll watch this video inside, the wind makes it too hard to hear

  • @NaJk93
    @NaJk93 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Melee is turning into a fucking math equation in real time.
    oh wait, it always was. We are just advancing in the courses the more tech is found.

  • @Ignes27
    @Ignes27 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    my god hax, you're doing the lord's work

  • @NesDaKid
    @NesDaKid 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    to this day, i refuse to believe Melee was an “accident “

    • @AssailantLF
      @AssailantLF 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      I mean half of the characters are practically unviable competitively, 6 out of 18 stages are tournament legal, and none of the major tech skills (L-cancel, jump cancel, wave dash, etc) are mentioned anywhere in the game or the official manual. Also every sequel Smash game has gone out of its way to either not include, or include + severely nerf any of the cool tech skills from Melee.
      I think it was overall an accident, although certain high-skill moves that benefit competitive play were added intentionally, like L-canceling and wave dashing.

    • @falcolom
      @falcolom 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@AssailantLF wavedashing wasn't intentional, it was a quirk of the physics engine that the devs decided to leave in

  • @unknown-hj4gh
    @unknown-hj4gh 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    You could add your melee mathematics frame perfect into a super advanced AI & challenge real player against it.

  • @MaximusXavier
    @MaximusXavier 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Came for the Florida, stayed for the knockdown

  • @nosocx6570
    @nosocx6570 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    You need a PhD in melee to fully understand it

  • @0tf850
    @0tf850 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Is this the counter to the recent slide off meta development?

  • @jadchi
    @jadchi 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Thanks

  • @CLSharpman5000
    @CLSharpman5000 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    When did Amsah Tech get re-branded as "floor hug"?

  • @SleepayGui
    @SleepayGui 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Anyone know if hitlag is variable?
    The final examples made it sound like they are but I wouldn’t be surprised if they also scaled based on stuff like stale moves

  • @Joshuakim378
    @Joshuakim378 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Melee is sick

  • @dariusmartinez4078
    @dariusmartinez4078 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    sick thank you

  • @clutchedbyanangel
    @clutchedbyanangel 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    5:27 Hold UP? Blasphemy.

  • @hotbongwater
    @hotbongwater 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Really cool vid, my only suggestion is to add some background music. It’ll help keep the audience invested.

  • @myboy_
    @myboy_ 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    This is the gimrs lab of melee

  • @michaelriccio6012
    @michaelriccio6012 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    So does the ecb not matter when using spike/meteor moves? The was it was phrased made it seem like the only thing that mattered for these moves was the fact that they were airborne frames.

  • @Hugehugebighuge
    @Hugehugebighuge 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    wow dad thanks

  • @jeffethegamingadvocate2821
    @jeffethegamingadvocate2821 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Florida

  • @MelbournePenguin
    @MelbournePenguin 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Lol hax is such s Virgo
    its so awesome how detailed and analytical he is

  • @richdavis9690
    @richdavis9690 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I love it when you get all dirty with me when talking about melee.

  • @sethswoodruff
    @sethswoodruff 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Is this why ness dash attack is the way it is?

  • @jacobjohns6806
    @jacobjohns6806 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Could you sdi or asdi down to deny the floor hug denial?

  • @alexcarlone7967
    @alexcarlone7967 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Hax Money, PhD.

  • @Mepphy99
    @Mepphy99 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Cool tech but Should these really work normally or It Is Just a "melee Is a broken game" situation?

  • @RareBrink
    @RareBrink 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    tl;dw - use moves that do less than 7% to jab reset, hit people after they bounce off the ground to stop them from floor hugging.

  • @futurefox128
    @futurefox128 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Thanks to this video I successfully managed to miss DK's down-B on an opponent during DownBound ⌉O_o⌈

  • @samrandall6623
    @samrandall6623 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    It just get deeper

  • @darwingreenheart
    @darwingreenheart 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    mfs smash graphs don't have enough annotations
    edit: ECB - ethereal collision blob

  • @charleslucas911
    @charleslucas911 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    I fucking love your videos Aziz

  • @HaydenTheEeeeeeeeevilEukaryote
    @HaydenTheEeeeeeeeevilEukaryote 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    what are the red ecb’s that trail behind used for?

    • @Brawltendo
      @Brawltendo 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Those represent the previous frame’s ECB position, which I believe are used to help calculate and correct the final position of the ECB along with the white outline around the orange one in the front that acts as a prediction of its position to an extent.

    • @HaydenTheEeeeeeeeevilEukaryote
      @HaydenTheEeeeeeeeevilEukaryote 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Brawltendo thank you

    • @HaydenTheEeeeeeeeevilEukaryote
      @HaydenTheEeeeeeeeevilEukaryote 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Brawltendo I wanna be able to recreate the system close enough in unity (for fun) so im trying to learn as much as i can about how it’s made

  • @cooperdunn3808
    @cooperdunn3808 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    M2K be like I knew this before you where born kid

  • @Sadlyevil2000
    @Sadlyevil2000 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Very good for learn nice

  • @shoutxv
    @shoutxv 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    besides Missouri

  • @robo-rex0239
    @robo-rex0239 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Bruh moment

  • @ocircles738
    @ocircles738 4 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    downbound doesn't even sound like anything anymore. downbound. daunbaun. donboun. deoannnnnnnnnnbb

  • @turndownforwalt
    @turndownforwalt 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    hey hax ur handsome

  • @textede40
    @textede40 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    very coo

  • @JonnyfromElma
    @JonnyfromElma 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Hax needs someone to help him script and record these videos. The info is great, but an engaging delivery with a couple jokes would catapult these videos to triple the views and instantly enter the melee zeitgeist. Would love to right punchlines and transitions for this shit.

    • @Pslamist
      @Pslamist 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      I actually believe they are made exactly the way he wants them to be. He wants the information to speak for itself.

  • @jifxyz
    @jifxyz 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    melee asmr?

  • @twopointjumper
    @twopointjumper 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Does he have a twitch?