@@Amaling My point is the game is super old yet people still find this groundbreaking stuff that changes the game. What does ult have? Attack cancel? Yeah theres cool tech but when compared to the groundbreaking stuff in melee it puts in to prespective how the game doesnt allow creativity.
It's more the game engine is so dependent on momentum, and being able to adjust it, much like how a classical platformer works. Since players can adjust their hit trajectory on hit, you can then take advantage of this to put yourself in a position that is favorable. At first this was just making it harder for players to combo, but as people get further and further into the game, you can then start taking advantage of hitstun canceling states, such as taking an airborne fox shine by buffering jump which will cancel hitstun on landing on the ground, or crouch canceling through di down. From there and the discovery of being able to automatically smash di, it kind of blew open the door in regards to defensive options, since you can actually move your character while they're being hit, leading to multiple DI inputs, and extremely favorable hit trajectories. From there it's all about figuring out how to get into a hitstun canceling state from a getting hit position. (Ground to air, (Slide off) and air to ground (ASDI CC) are the two big state changes we know of right now during hitstun) You can then couple this with momentum reducing or delaying states such as airborne shine, bucket, tech rolls, etc, to live to some very high percentages.
Did you buffer missed tech rolls when you were testing? I believe there are differences in whether you fall off the edge or not based on if you buffer the input out of missed tech or if you wait a moment before inputting it, but idk if that affects ECB as well.
I understand the process of how you title your videos in terms of wanting to get views and what-have-you, but I hope you consider a more efficient way of naming / re-naming your videos as you continue to make them. The quality of information provided is very high, and a video of this nature is going to be used as a gateway / tutorial for people seeking to develop their game further, and I just feel having the information almost hidden by having a title such as "The Technique That Has Taken Over SSBM" is going to be detrimental down the road. If I'm thinking too much into this, sorry. No ill-will intended. . . Just hoping to provide some constructive criticism for the cause. Keep up the good work.
Geez. Those SDI and diagonal ASDI techniques are nutty! The next time I watch a match I'm def going to be looking for it Also now Puffs are now gonna start mixing in rest at like 20%
I've been doing this by accident for years...I like crouch canceling and this just co-exists because I often hold diagonal to crouch for pre-prep wave dash
As great as these videos are, I don't see why you opt for the clickbaity titles. It will make it really obnoxious to go back and find that one video you wanted to share. Either way, amazing stuff, I absoluetly love the level of technical detail and presentation!
For the fox uair situation, would falco not be able to shine in between the 2 hits of uair if he becomes airborne after the first hit rather then trying to slide off after the second hit?
I’ve been loving these ! Not trying to be a dick but I noticed that you keep making a grammatical mistake. It’s actually one of the most commonly made mistakes in the spoken English vernacular. You should be saying farther not further, farther refers to physical space while further refers to a concept. Further in a career, farther on the platform etc
I’ve been loving these ! Not trying to be a dick but I noticed that you keep making a grammatical mistake. It’s actually one of the most commonly made mistakes in the spoken English vernacular. You should be using quotes when referring to words themselves. "Farther" not "further", "farther" refers to physical space while "further" refers to a concept. Further in a career, farther on the platform, etc.
I can't get the slideoffs against Fox upair when I'm practicing it with Falco in 20xx even though I'm using the same inputs that are shown here at 13:26. I've also tried lots of different inputs. Is it sometimes just impossible depending on which drift Fox has, which way he is facing, or which part of the techroll Falco is in?
Throughout this whole video, in the back of my mind I'm remembering when Scar was on Excellent Adventures, which you all should watch as it's hilarious, and he said there were no scientists in Melee. It was such a blatantly wrong statement then, as people like Mew2King obviously figured stuff out the hard way, and it's exponentially wrong now, but I'm sure he's admitted his mistake. Just a funny thought going through my head. I don't think I could ever dislike Scar, he's a good guy.
I’m just a casual player that can at least SHFFL, but sometimes I wonder why someone would intentionally floorhug. If you knew you were about to get hit, why wouldn’t you shield or even spotdodge?
Sick video Hax! Im practicing Slide off up air but does anyone know the timing of doing this or how to do is since you have to hold the c stick downwards?
For the first half of the video I tried hard to understand what he was saying and convince myself I was capable of possibly implementing a small fraction of the content but then I gave up🤯
All hax is capable of doing is flexing his phds that he doesn’t even have a job for. It’s like being a doctor with no one in the world to work on or help .. hahahahaha
Normal youtubers get sponsorships from brands, but hax is sponsored by ASDI Down
Mm
My mind has been blown. Never thought of Diaganol Down ASDI
Crazy how much melee tech is still being discovered but ultimate is zzzzzzzzz
D i a g a n o l
@@slicvic00 have you been on gimrs channel?
@@chairwood no dialga zzzz
@@Amaling My point is the game is super old yet people still find this groundbreaking stuff that changes the game. What does ult have? Attack cancel? Yeah theres cool tech but when compared to the groundbreaking stuff in melee it puts in to prespective how the game doesnt allow creativity.
If M2K wrote the Melee bible back in the day, then I swear we're witnessing you publish the New Testament chapter by chapter
The Melee Code of Hammurabi: th-cam.com/video/4n4s5yB7ZkE/w-d-xo.html
He's writing the Melee q'uraan
@Officer Barbrady There is no evidence that tech exists, if you find something in the code I'm sure we'd all like to see it too haha
The only reason I'm not as good as Zain is because I haven't been doing this. Thanks!
Lol
snakemaster777 shut up dude. We’ve all been doing it and he’s still better then all us
Cant wait to see you top ten this year dude.
@@japanrocksgousa Ya maybe
Pretty sure he joking guys 😂
I always play Super Mario 64's File Select in the background of these videos and it's literal perfection.
P A R A L L E L U N I V E R S E S
Oh my god, I love it. It fits so perfectly
lmao
Thanks now i can stop watching @4:43 so i can do exactly this when i get home
Does this count as rap music?
Trying to understand high level competitive melee tech hurts my brain, I can't even understand how most of it is humanly possible.
It's more the game engine is so dependent on momentum, and being able to adjust it, much like how a classical platformer works.
Since players can adjust their hit trajectory on hit, you can then take advantage of this to put yourself in a position that is favorable. At first this was just making it harder for players to combo, but as people get further and further into the game, you can then start taking advantage of hitstun canceling states, such as taking an airborne fox shine by buffering jump which will cancel hitstun on landing on the ground, or crouch canceling through di down.
From there and the discovery of being able to automatically smash di, it kind of blew open the door in regards to defensive options, since you can actually move your character while they're being hit, leading to multiple DI inputs, and extremely favorable hit trajectories.
From there it's all about figuring out how to get into a hitstun canceling state from a getting hit position. (Ground to air, (Slide off) and air to ground (ASDI CC) are the two big state changes we know of right now during hitstun)
You can then couple this with momentum reducing or delaying states such as airborne shine, bucket, tech rolls, etc, to live to some very high percentages.
@@mttkra what is bucket 👀
There's now online courses on a specific video game physics engine.
It really is 20XX
love your vids mate
Captions: English [autogenerated]
"Foxx"
he plays on the boxx
20xx
Fun fact about editing this one: I listened to almost all of the Pokemon Heart Gold and Soul Silver soundtrack while editing.
Shoutouts to editors
Can i ask how tf all of these small youtubers find editor slave labor?
Luke Toast would also like to know for business purposes
Dooooooopeee move bro, nice lol!
OST has bangers only. National Park is a mastapeece
Hax would be a great AP Melee professor
This game's depth is insane.
"I tested every character"
*Bowser and Kirby mains crying in the corner*
To be honest I been confused in every Hax video I watch but I doubt even Sakurai himself and the Melee developers know as much about Melee as Hax does
3:17 If by "back-air or up-air" you actually mean tech-chase Rest, then sure.
Lmao .. we all felt it
@@keithberrry3331 indeed
Ah yes my favorite things about melee, Geometry and Alchemy
There is still so much Melee to be played
"although this technique may seem simple"
we're all playing checkers and hax is playing 7th dimensional poker chess
choker player?
Hey, I’ve seen you in blunder’s comments!
Useless technique for someone like Isai who doesn't get hit
WTF why this game is so complex.
thank you melee
Yet another example of how the platforms in Melee increase the depth of the game. So incredible.
This is one of things where Melee's magic goes from blessing to curse.
2:15 he still got that falcon 👀
Thanks Hax! Been trying and failing to understand this technique for such a long time.
Jesus, this game is CRAZY
I’ve already started doing this and god it’s so useful as falcon
The Fabled "Punish on hit" tech. Truly a master piece.
"I tested every character's get up roll"
Only tested 11 characters
Love your content, can't wait for more
Thank you for your incredible contributions to the melee community, and its collective knowledge.
Did you buffer missed tech rolls when you were testing? I believe there are differences in whether you fall off the edge or not based on if you buffer the input out of missed tech or if you wait a moment before inputting it, but idk if that affects ECB as well.
Hax you're GOAT'd for these instructional videos. Please make one for every mechanic in the game LOOOOOOL! Best Melee Tutorials ever created
I understand the process of how you title your videos in terms of wanting to get views and what-have-you, but I hope you consider a more efficient way of naming / re-naming your videos as you continue to make them. The quality of information provided is very high, and a video of this nature is going to be used as a gateway / tutorial for people seeking to develop their game further, and I just feel having the information almost hidden by having a title such as "The Technique That Has Taken Over SSBM" is going to be detrimental down the road.
If I'm thinking too much into this, sorry. No ill-will intended. . . Just hoping to provide some constructive criticism for the cause. Keep up the good work.
I’m medium interested in melee but I’m a sucker for in depth videogame analysis with a nice voice
Geez. Those SDI and diagonal ASDI techniques are nutty! The next time I watch a match I'm def going to be looking for it
Also now Puffs are now gonna start mixing in rest at like 20%
They already do
@@DoomJoy666 true
I have no idea what the fuck this guy is talking about but i am entertained.
I've been doing this by accident for years...I like crouch canceling and this just co-exists because I often hold diagonal to crouch for pre-prep wave dash
7:00 I want hax's curiosity, lol
I love you hax$
I'm glad more people know about slide off. I remember doing it during a pools match and my opponent was surprised lol
Wow nice discussion about the ecb at 6:25
ur sick hax this this is the content we need
As great as these videos are, I don't see why you opt for the clickbaity titles. It will make it really obnoxious to go back and find that one video you wanted to share. Either way, amazing stuff, I absoluetly love the level of technical detail and presentation!
I love these series of videos, but i always wonder how many people will actually put these techniques into practice.
This is Melee. There is no doubt it will.
Aziz: Please note that.....so that you fastfall frame perfect.
Me: OR you could just fastfall upon reaction and get the same exact punish!
Great scripting and presentation as always!
I was like “who tf is Aziz Al-Yama?”
Then I realized
ITS FUCKING HAX
love this guys playstyle
awesome vid Hax$!
Major Duncan would be proud
Damn, gonna have to update my guide to include this...
7:10 please dont put green and red together like that it is unreadable for 5% of the population with Deuteranomaly or Protanomaly colorblindness.
Ye rip me
and cats too
I colored the red part in purple if anyone wants the image
Cant deny these videos are great
Pretty informative & neat! Thanks for uploading!
For the fox uair situation, would falco not be able to shine in between the 2 hits of uair if he becomes airborne after the first hit rather then trying to slide off after the second hit?
I’ve been loving these ! Not trying to be a dick but I noticed that you keep making a grammatical mistake. It’s actually one of the most commonly made mistakes in the spoken English vernacular. You should be saying farther not further, farther refers to physical space while further refers to a concept. Further in a career, farther on the platform etc
This is exactly the kind of comment Id expect to see here lmao
I’ve been loving these ! Not trying to be a dick but I noticed that you keep making a grammatical mistake. It’s actually one of the most commonly made mistakes in the spoken English vernacular. You should be using quotes when referring to words themselves. "Farther" not "further", "farther" refers to physical space while "further" refers to a concept. Further in a career, farther on the platform, etc.
ph roob this isn’t spoken, it’s written. Lol I still value your input though and would agree.
Selarom Ogeid what do you mean by state spaces?
Raynie Summer no problem! I recently learned it myself. Just trying to help others !
finally, the slide off video =o
Incredibly informative, superb work.
legit never met anyone who truly dislikes hax's informative method of speaking
I'm more amazed at the fact that I'm listening to an Irakie without accent
:0
I can barely wavedash and L-cancel, why am I enjoying this?
The Smash Brothers Equivalent of Dvoretsky
I can't get the slideoffs against Fox upair when I'm practicing it with Falco in 20xx even though I'm using the same inputs that are shown here at 13:26. I've also tried lots of different inputs. Is it sometimes just impossible depending on which drift Fox has, which way he is facing, or which part of the techroll Falco is in?
Good stuff as always, Hax!
Oh god. The game I played so much of in high school was this fucking complicated? I don't even recognize this shit anymore.
This sounds like hell
Throughout this whole video, in the back of my mind I'm remembering when Scar was on Excellent Adventures, which you all should watch as it's hilarious, and he said there were no scientists in Melee. It was such a blatantly wrong statement then, as people like Mew2King obviously figured stuff out the hard way, and it's exponentially wrong now, but I'm sure he's admitted his mistake. Just a funny thought going through my head. I don't think I could ever dislike Scar, he's a good guy.
Wild video - great explanations!
Thanks for the great info Hax$
Keep it up with the good content Hax!
Can this be done on the b0xx? I'm sure it can, but worried about having to move the cstick slightly diagonally either direction in addition to down.
Professor Hax "Fucking" Money
godlike content. Like usual
Lord God, Heavenly Father, bless us and these Thy gifts which we receive from Thy bountiful goodness, through Hax$, our Lord. Amen.
I’m just a casual player that can at least SHFFL, but sometimes I wonder why someone would intentionally floorhug. If you knew you were about to get hit, why wouldn’t you shield or even spotdodge?
in the video, it shows you are often vulnerable to being hit while being unactionable yourself, e.g. the last frames at the end of your tech roll
Sick video Hax!
Im practicing Slide off up air but does anyone know the timing of doing this or how to do is since you have to hold the c stick downwards?
“Every (viable) character” .. lmao
Everytime I think I understand high-level melee inputs I find more, lol (can't perform at high-level, just understand it)
Azeezy you did it again
Smash Scientist!
I swear I wouldn’t last a day playing melee competitive it’s so complicated
Total Drama Island Flooring
Can you do this in the newest patch of project plus?
It's good to know exactly why I'll never be any good at this game.
For the first half of the video I tried hard to understand what he was saying and convince myself I was capable of possibly implementing a small fraction of the content but then I gave up🤯
Ah yes, Tiddy Eye.
Why am I watching this. I can barely even shield drop...
Literally looks like math theorems
falco slide off so free
New tech in 2020 for a game made in 2001.
How much do you need to just publish a text book on all of this stuff?
It's a fucken game not a damn math problem.
I play Zelda though, who is never included. :*(
Ultimate could N E V E R
All hax is capable of doing is flexing his phds that he doesn’t even have a job for. It’s like being a doctor with no one in the world to work on or help .. hahahahaha
You’re a fucking legend
Super unrelated, but what happened to the B0XX?
Wtf.....man this game got technical....I used to win by just throwing items when my brother was thrown off the stage....I would get smoked now🥺🥺🥺
wow , nice ! verycool
As a completely new player who can't even L-Cancel consistently, I have a question:
How the FUCK do people do this frame perfect shit consistently?
cool content nice work
Does this work in Ultimate?
No