Razer made a Nintendo Switch competitor
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 22 ก.พ. 2023
- The Razer Edge is Razer's attempt at an Android Handheld Console. It makes for an INCREDIBLY POWERFUL Portable Emulation machine that rivals the Steam Deck... but it's Android...
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I think Bob Wulff and Wulffden should do a collab theyd probably work well together
Lol
@@aayaan1935 They've done collabs before but weirdly only ever for ad spots and sponsored segments?
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@KirbyThings idk I heard they had some falling out?
I heard they were attacked by some kind of shark. Maybe while they were surfing... or something like that. 🤔
As much as I love Austin Evans and Matt from This Is, it's nice to have reviews of this from people who know what a Retroid and an Anbernic are.
Lol
Definitely one of the best reviewers for this kind of tech
ETA and Retro Game Corps already did their reviews, and neither of them did the idiotic "SwItCh CoMpEtItOr" schtick
@bikechan9903 Neither did Bob so much? It's the title because that's the way people will understand what it is.
bobs a newfag too he wasnt around in the gamekiddy days
Dude it’s crazy to think how ahead of it’s time the PSP and PS Vita were. The Vita even had a OLED display. Sony really was onto something but then forgot about it… then the Nintendo Switch and Steam Deck became a thing. Can you imagine a modern PS Vita? It would be amazing
Even more similar was the Xperia Play
Sony did the right move to give up on the Vita.... Yes the PS Vita is AMAZING!! BUT the 3DS was just on another level...It kept producing amazing games and the Vita just couldn't compete with that....
@@kr1me2000 yeah, the lack of quality on the ps vita killed it. I love my vita, but the only good games I've played that are exclusives are God of War, killzone mercenaries (call of duty declassified sucked ass), and some others. The vita could have been so much better if there was more attention given to it.
@@MagikSpellzz no Sony killed it by being greedy as always lmao
@@spike5499 this by not allowing any other cards to be compatible with (using only proprietary SD cards from Sony themselves which was expensive to begin with) and lack of marketing. It also didn't help that both Sony and Nintendo underestimated the potential of the mobile gaming market at the time.
that sf3 music as the intro was just perfect
The kishi v2 is basically just a backbone controller. I use that for remote play on Xbox on PlayStation. Works like a dream
Or game pass
Same got the V1 and V2 standalone kishi just for remote play its great in not good with tactile screen buttons I actually need physical buttons and both the V1 and V2 work great for remote play
As an indie dev - yes, absolutely! More devs should port to Android, especially when they're using an engine like Unity or Ren'py, that natively support it. I know I did that for the visual novel I developed.
Please note prices on android and pc. Eg Minecraft is third the price on android than it is on pc. If microsoft has to bend backwards to lower prices for the android audiance good luck to indies. The popular android games are free to play ad supported or with microtransactions.
I'm really hoping for hades port for android
I think devs are more hesitant to port to Android because games are way easier to pirate there
@@obvious_giraffe8386 The expectation is that prices are lower on mobile, but it's a great way to breathe new life into a project and introduce a new audience to your game after it's been on the market for a bit.
@@wontorres Android is about as easy to pirate as Windows. I am not certain that piracy is the main reason.
I don't think anyone mentioned it yet, but the Kishi V2 bundled with the Edge is different from the one Razer sells separately. The standalone version doesn't have a 3.5mm port, haptics or vents for the Edge's speakers.
Bob mentioned this in the video.
@@I_was_a_Bullfrog When? What part of the video?
@@I_was_a_Bullfrog He didn't. He mentioned how this one is different from the original Kishi. There are technically 3 Kishi controllers now.
That's sad. The version of the Kishi here looks great with those extra features
@podracer35 They may sell it separately at some point, but currently the V2 isn't quite as good as the V2 Pro. Same form factor and everything, though.
Sony needs to make another handheld...I wish 🥺
Oh man that would be amazing .. ONE DAY....
maybe, maybe..
The Steam Deck fufills it. Since it CAN play games like horizon zero dawn and god of war. and more and plus PSP and PS Vita emulators
O god please no
The reason Sony didn’t, is because they’re sore losers and hate coming in second consistently.
@@broskiwhyyy6373 why not?
Already was a Verizon member and got a deal for it for $10/ 36 months. So, just $360. It's been great for youtube and streaming, though. I think a lot of people are comparing it to other handhelds, but realistically, it's just a very portable tablet. Great for android games, has hardly any issues with emulation up to PS2 games, absolutely fantastic for GameCube and PSP games. Yes, I could get a steam deck, but being able to whip it out anywhere with internet connection everywhere has been its defining feature for me.
My other consoles, portables, and PC are basically gathering dust now that I have a Steam Deck, so I'm really considering selling them all and sticking with the Steam Deck for solo play and the Switch for couch-coop games like Mario Kart, Smash, Mario Party, and many others.
Razor… Edge… I see what they did there…
Yeah, they used the same name from 10 years ago when they tried to do the same thing with a windows tablet.
Me too chico
@@Fernando-ek8jp This was a mistake in my opinion. Makes searching things a nightmare. I keep finding results from a decade ago that are irrelevant now. 😅
@@MilkLegScoop Eh, it's not a bad name. I actually had a bars time finding the old one
Your delivery and sense of humour is wonderful. Great review.
The really just said, “Let’s take our phone that failed and try to make an expensive ‘emulation’ machine.” Razor is so frustrating. Lol
I can't believe how much Razer Kishi took from Backbone on the V2 version, they look identical now
Love your content on whichever channel you appear… thanks.
So to get around the lack of a back button I go on to the system setting and change the gesture setting to 3 button navigation. The when swipe up u get a on screen back, home, and active app button. Also with skyline you need to pick the right custom drivers from their discord. I recommend the 615 ones. I’m not sure why you didn’t use the built in virtual controller option for call of duty? The current biggest flaw with the edge right now is that the sd card slot is limited to fat32 which means a lot of switch and wii games will not fit on the card as it is limited to 4gig files. What I really like about the edge is the flexibility between gaming hand held and android tablet. I also use iPhone now so it is nice to have a side android tablet to keep everything I picked up with I was in the ecosystem and use without the controller as a e reader, media device, and controller. Digital board game ports also look really good on it as long as they are optimized for modern phone screens.
It uses fat32 for the sd card also, just like the gcloud. No files bigger than 4gb can go on the sd card.
That c to c connection (or lighting bolt if you are a blue chat) that the kishi and other controllers offer are such a difference maker for the cloud.
It’s wild to me that these mobile phone controllers are $100 and people just accept it when higher quality first party Xbox/PlayStation controllers are $70
form factor. You need to buy a clip adaptor if you're getting a console controller for it, and even after that extra cost (which really narrows the cost difference) you still have the form factor & comfort to contend with.
You know they're serious, they held on to that Razer Edge name for 25 years and finally found a product to give it to.
They wasted it lol
Yeah, wasted it on an android phone instead of something original
100% agree about the clickiness of the buttons on the Kishi V2, I love it.
One thing to note is that the Razer Kishi V2 doesn't have the headphone jack when you buy it on it's own, only has it with the Edge.
I love my Wulffden inspired Kishi v1/old Pixel 3 combo - add a little double sided tape for some extra stability. Plays all the games I want to.
the way u explained stuff's just so fun ✌🏻
I like to think that we are currently living in a Handheld rennaissance
Using the switch sound to cover up a curse word made my day.
I don't know about the need for that but I need this channel. Love it!
Maybe Netflix should partner with one of these gaming hardware companies to release their own Android handheld device -- Netflix is kinda weirdly leading the charge with bringing indie games to Android -- Into the Breach, Kentucky Route Zero, Spiritfarer, and TMNT: Shredder's Revenge, among a few others.
I was thinking the same thing. Essentially you’re paying $400 for a small tablet
400 for an android ipod.
you are better off getting a steam deck
"it looked sick, but not a cool kind of sick, it looked I'll, like I've got to take it to the hospital"
Lmao
for switch emulation on android, update to the latest version of skyline(if youre willing to pay for skyline edge you can performance improvements early) and use the custom snapdragon drivers. youll get better compatibility and better performance
Or just try egg ns for wayyy better performance
@@bertonizack2616 skyline performs better than egg ns, no? and its not shady as hell
@@mhtweeter your trippin
@@bertonizack2616 skyline is significantly better now
@@Silver-FoxYT thats what i thought
I'm happy that the Razer Edge and G Cloud exist. Having bigger names enter the ring, even if they don't fully stick the landing, is just better for the handheld industry.
G cloud would make sense if they wouldnt overprice it
@@obvious_giraffe8386 Why do you say it's overpriced? Its hardware is more powerful than the switch, for starters.
@@Fernando-ek8jp its 50 less than a deck. Also i understand its more powerful than the switch but there are no games that utilize that power
@@obvious_giraffe8386 Yes, I know. But just because no games take advantage of it doesn't make the components, R&D, labor, sourcing, etc, magically cheaper.
The g cloud is an expensive device, but it's not overpriced.
The steam deck is an expensive device, and it is objectively underpriced.
@@Fernando-ek8jp i just dont understand why everybody wants bitchin gaming specs in a phone if theres no use for it besides emulation. The gcloud shoud have been with better wifi but lower specs just enough to stream and get the price under $250 imo
Ended up getting a G Cloud after watching several videos including yours. Seems to be $300 everywhere at the moment, not the full $350. Still a little high but after seeing your experience with emulation I figured it would be worth it at $300. Looking forward to its ergonomics compared to my backbone or the Kishi and having a dedicated streaming unit since I currently use backbone for a good bit of GeForce now streaming.
It's fantastic.
That screen size and ergonomics are a game changer
There are also other stuff about the Edge in regards to software that set it back against other options. They kishi V2 Pro integration could be enhanced to be firmer and make it feel more like a single unit. Someone could 3D print a mold for that. But the biggest thing for me is the rounded and overly long/wide display. Had it been 16x9 or even 16x10, at 1920x1200, it would have been a LOT better (easier to drive)
That SFIII Third Strike music at the start was legit.
I plan on trying out the Kishi V2 with the Red Magic 8 Pro, emulation game play will probably be sick on that device. Skyline still has some work to get the level of Yuzu or Ryujinx. When it does reach the ability to play games as well as the other 2 programs, will it raise the ire of Nintendo's legal squad?
Really cool video; you covered every aspect that I might have doubts about. I am looking for a portable device for FFXIV, but it seems like the Steam Deck is the only real choice for now, although I’m not sure if it will really be any good on late-game content.
Did not expect to hear music from third strike today. What a great day.
The big idea behind the Razer Edge and the new Snapdragon G3X SoC is to push Android gaming to the next level. There's supposed to be an SDK released alongside the G3X as well.
I'm not sure how much they're sticking to that original vision, but it would be nice if Android as a platform moved past the current mobile gaming market trends.
9:30 now it runs smooth like butter it's amazing
Kishi seems worth it since i've been considering it for when I don't wanna carry my switch around for some emulation gaming.
I think they want to make the controllers removable because if you can't or don't want to use the physical controls, they're not bolted on so you can just pull them off. I still think if they made it more like the switch it would be a lot better.
I hate emulating on my main device because if I have to use it for anything else (like calls or texts) it just ruins the experience.
I tried a controller clip with my main phone. Its painful... had to take it out all the time to answer stuff and swith songs on spotify
Razer did this in 2013 with the edge. All trailers showed it playing Dishonored.
I got the Kishi V1 for $35 on Amazon. I use my previous phone the LG G8 as a dedicated gaming device with it. It's not as fast as this but it technically only cost me $35 and it's for sure waaay closer to this than it is not.
considering the controllers can be de-attached, i would appreciate if it also had a Tate orientation for Arcade & 3/DS
i can see their commercials now! " get your edge on"
The phone drummer is cool. I used to do that in my car with subwoofers.
I actually spent about the same amount of money on my Odin Pro including shipping, and I still think that’s better than the Edge. It may have a more powerful cpu and uses the kishi v2, but you’re getting way less actual game on this than you should when playing 4:3 content and can drain the battery by quite a bit even in sleep mode, and if I want a device strictly for streaming I’d probably use my old iPhone with a backbone controller and if there’s games on ps2 or gamecube and beyond that I can’t play on my Odin, well my steam deck has me covered if I don’t wanna use my desktop. I feel like this is only good for someone that doesn’t already own an android device and doesn’t mind getting more black bars than game
I love that you actually used 3DMark haha! To bad the Galaxy s23 ultra is like 1400$, would be a nice android gaming device with the excellent big screen and specs.
I have an S22 Ultra. 👀 I have a Retroid Pocket 3 but maybe I should look into getting a Razer Kishi..... this thing really is a beast, it just isn't as efficient or battery friendly as my RP3.
I use the razer kishi on my Samsung for emulation it's pretty amazing
Check a redmagic 7 or 8 pro, or a blackshark 5 pro which I have and are built for gaming.
i didnt expect ibuki's theme in a tech review video 😭😭😭😭
If you have an android phone, just get the kishi v2 by itself. I mostly play at home, but with moonlight i can stream my games from my pc with 1440p 120 fps and hdr, with minimal latency. Unless the steam deck gets smaller or a better screen, i dont really play outside my house to ever get one
Steam deck can actually run wii U games I think which is actually cool because nintendo land was never ported to switch, and there are instances where the steam deck gyro can emulate the dual screens with an external display.
My PC gaming buddies give me lots of shit for being in my mid 30s and just now getting into gaming on my phone but these dudes are sleeping on a great gaming experience. Everybody has a phone and if you already have Game Pass, then with the addition of a ~40$ Kishi v1 you have an amazing handheld gaming experience. I continue to listen after a Steamdeck but in the meantime this setup is almost perfect
There's a key mapper u have to update the controller in the app. G Cloud has this update as well. As a cloud gamer I used moto phone and kishi one. Then I upgraded to the G Cloud. The most important thing to a cloud gamer is the screen and controller comfort and resolution. The last thing person cloud gaming wants is smaller less comfortable device with smaller lower res screen. Not going to downgrade my experience to use a Retroid Pocket.
I really hope the steam desk 2 is smaller, better designed aesthetically, and has an OLED display. Holding out specifically for the display
That’s what I’m hoping for maybe a slight performance boost too 👀 but definitely smaller with an oled screen I actually like the design but I get it.
Yeah I love my Steam Deck but it’s so damn ugly. When I hold it, it doesn’t feel as special as holding a PSP or Switch.
@@adrianastro1 Lol I totally get it, definitely not as special to hold as a PSP or Switch
You should check out the backbone controller! You don’t have to trick call of duty in order to use it
Bob, if you like mechanical switches on controllers, you gotta try the Mobapad M6 for the Switch. They are the very best for that. This device or anything that runs GeForce Now is basically the only way to play Destiny 2 on the go. If you got the top plan, this would allow you to play at 120fps/144hz on the go.
Third Strike OST great opening
Love my Razer Kishi
4:34 OMG... SHINOOOBIII!!! I thought I was the only one who knew about this game. xD
I’ve been wanting something that could emulate DS and 3DS games and the wide display makes this perfect (if it was just a tiny bit cheaper)! I’m currently using original hardware but man, it’s rough going back to those tiny 240p screens
Hey Wulf,
Quick comment about Skyline emulator. In their page it shows the supported games for NS. There are only a few, but they do a great work on it.
Its nice to see some higher end emulation, I would love to get the razer edge. Even though I have a kishi v2, which i use on my pixel 6. Its fantastic for game streaming. I'm just curious how much power the snapdragon g3x has. As there hasn't been any particular flagship game title to showcase the edge with. It's just as you said though, @wulffden, why the need for all that power for cloud gaming when all you need is a 5g phone, doesn't even need to be that powerful neither. I'm curious to see where this goes. Fantastic video!
I guess it's 2 parts so you could theoretically upgrade the brain and screen later on, of course this is only valid if a possible version 2 is in the same dimensions
3rd Strike Album in the house!
I have needed a gamepad for my s22, I just used your link to get this.
I think the thing that you're missing is that it's a phone correct? The versatility to be able to use it for normal everyday phone use and slide it into the controller specifically when you want to game seems like a big plus for someone in the market for a phone, but also wants some quality mobile emulation.
They did make a windows based handheld years ago. Ironically the razer edge with like a tablet for factor a controller sled and an nvidia 730 if memory serves
Dang, I thought you would have been all aboard the Skyline train.
Props to you Bob I did have the Razer Edge but the main reason, why I got it was for Call of Duty Mobile and Genshin and that didn’t work.
So I returned it and I’ll just use my iPhone with the backbone plus I enjoy playing Emulation on the Retroid Pocket 3.
I do both of those games on the Ayn Odin. The Odin has decent screen mapping that allows me to do both of those games. It would also be a horsepower upgrade for emulation from your Retroid as well.
Oh nice nice true
One good argument for the separate controller is for touchscreen only games or using it as a more comfortable tablet. That might be part of the reason they did it like this. I'm not saying it's perfect logic, but it's a plus.
From a perspective I thought that the controller is detachable, I was right but not what I was expecting. It’s just a telescopic controller rather than the Joy Con design.
The Switch hardware is _so old_ that a rotary telephone is a competitor.
Shout out to the third strike Ibuki theme, let's go
Regarding easier setup, the android version of emudeck is coming soon.
You should really check out the backbone if you haven’t already. It would make a good lil video
Hey Bob, when is the WulffDen Satisfye grip coming out?
I thought the Edge was a cellphone too…? It is one of the ones I’ve been debating buying for a very long time. And I really love just laying in bed, curled in a ball, playing games on my phone, so this would be perfect
Speaking of your camera/photography video.... Tito just released a gameboy camera mod that I think a lot of people would love to see you try out.
Would you recommend getting an AYN Odin over the Razer Edge if I'm specifically looking for PS2 emulation?
While I love the Odin, I'd say if you want a handheld primarily for PS2 emulation, I'd recommend the Steam Deck.
Telescopic Bluetooth pad on a 10 ich tablet is killer
This device fits a rather small niche that I am in. I stream mobile games to twitch like Wild Rift and a few gacha games that don't run well on pc emulators so I need to have a dedicated device for streaming. the cost of a new iphone which has been the norm as best device to stream with has been a crazy cost for me to maintain all these years. I think this device is going to thrive in this small niche community of mobile game streamers. $300 for a great gaming device ? why not
at this time, the kishi v2 does not have a headphone jack. the kishi included with the razer edge is the kishi v2 pro, which they do not sell yet. I bought a backbone because it has a headphone jack.
watching videos like this one makes me happy for buying an LG V60 for emulation along with that cheap aliexpress Bluetooth controller
Ds emulation would be awesome on this, main display on the TV while the touch screen is on the handheld
Just throwing it out there-- I have a Pixel 6, using a razer kishi runs gamecube beautifully. I have played twilight princess portably with no issues
This video made me realize that Dead Cells was on mobile. Instantly bought it.
If only genshin impact has controller support on Android, that'll be cool.
spongebob bfbb rehydrated is on android, I think that'd be good to include in testing these android things
Fun Fact: Razr did have a handheld Windows tablet that was meant for gaming some time ago that they called the Razer Edge. I believe it even came out before the Nintendo Switch. I was hoping they would just update it and re-release it because it was definitely ahead of its time.
Feel like you give such good reviews they have their own structure- lovely watch
14:35 idk about Ryujinx but Yuzu works well on the Deck, hell you can even make the gyro work like it does on switch with Yuzu (like I said I don't know about Ryujinx) and the gyro works with Cemu too I hear.
G-Cloud was a missed opportunity. The main home GUI should had been called the G-Spot
Third Strike music 😍
So this is exactly a Backbone.
The Backbone for iPhone existed in this format before the Kishi v2.
i cannot believe it took razer this long to call a product “edge”
Stay tuned for the Razer Burn
They had another product called Razr Edge like a decade ago. Look it up.
Anything with a product name like "G3X" you have an obligation to call it the GEX 🦎
You nailed it when you said mobile battle royals. Most people using it for Apex Legends Mobile imo
This controller is perfect for Genshin Impact, it still doesn't have android controller port.