The rider questioned why the bike doesn't have a normal clutch lever. The idea of the Cub/Super Cub was to be a simple and efficient inner-city delivery vehicle. Given that, the idea was that the other hand would be busy holding the package, so they designed a semi-automatic transmission for it. This is why there's no clutch lever to activate.
I’ve been riding 800 pound HD’s forever and I can’t wait to buy a 2019 with 19 miles on it soon. A small Honda S65 was my first bike… reliable and fun, NO oil leaks and treacherous vibration! Z😎😎💣💥
The very concept behind the Cub (then and now) is AWESOME. It blurs the line between "Motorcycle" and "Scooter" to make it its own thing. The Cub will always be COOL!
Good day to you! I am a senior rider on HONDA motorcycle from Japan. I am enjoying camping ,touring and upload video. Your super cub video is so nice! Awesome! Full supported ! Have a nice day my friend!
I'm 54 and about to get my very 1st bike I'm gonna get this super Cub in a couple of months. I hope that I enjoy it it seems less scary than a big motorcycle.
@@kimwatchesstuff Scary is all in what you're accustomed to. This bike is cute but underpowered so you'll ALWAYS be pushed by auto traffic on all roadways. I got a clean used Suzuki Burgman 400 Maxi scooter that's easy & a hoot to ride. Enough power to ride city or highway no problem. It's Auto CVT so no shifting. But water-cooled & can tour regionally or just ride local. It does EVERYTHING this Honda does, and 3x more for half the money. I'd suggest you at least test ride different "easy ride bikes", Scooters, Maxi Scooters & street bike motorcycles under say 500cc. Safe riding !
Just bought this exact Super Cub for my wife and daughter. I have a couple of Royal Enfield's that my son and I ride. Northern Michigan has perfect roads for relaxed rides on this type of bike.
I have a Vespa and a Super Cub and I have to say they just serve different purposes for me. The Super Cub does really well on bumpy roads and on longer rides it gives you something to do with the shift lever while still being comfy to ride in town. Equipped with the right luggage system, it can carry everything you need for bike travel. And then there's the super low fuel consumption, light weight and great looks.
The supercub makes more sense in its time. It was an alternative to the pre-cvt scooters of the time that allowed one handed riding for deliveries. Those larger wheels were meant for poor or unpaved roads. But on the flip side, features like the step-through frame, front faring, and double-ended shifter were for keeping the rider clean. Rugged, civilized, and classless; all in one package! Nowadays, for bumming around town, a scooter is arguably better. But there is niche for a small bike that can handle rougher roads better than a scooter. (That said I'm glossing over the CT125. It's for a different role, and the difficulty getting one even now speaks for itself)
Obviously, you don't live in California.Hit a pot hole with a 10" wheeled scooter, down you go. You'd better be wearing full gear and a full faced helmet. Why does Piaggio sport a larger diameter wheel? Vespa were designed when dinosaurs roamed the earth,just before powdered wigs were in fashion. 😂
US-DOT regulations make it a little more challenging to ride. Every other region has the reverse shift pattern (toe down, shift up) and no lockout on the far side of 4th. So 1,2,3,4,N,1.. using only toe shifter is how the majority of riding takes place on level ground.
The semiautomatic is for having fun while not needing two hands to ride it. It's a middle ground between motorcycle and scooter. It's like a bicycle in a sense.
Oh the AHM good ol days before most of the motorcycle department moved out of state and most retired when covid hit. Loved hanging in the shop and in the warehouse. Say hi to Dan. Dan was the coolest chill dude.
We had a Kawasaki 3-wheeler when I was a teenager that had a semi-automatic transmission just like this one. I absolutely loved it. I love manual transmissions, but the rest of the family preferred to just be able to get on and ride with the ease of an automatic, so the Kawasaki was a wonderful compromise that allowed all of us of any age to enjoy it. I loved being able to shift and engine brake, do all of the manual transmission stuff, while also allowing my younger brother or sister to ride it without getting frustrated with stalling it out. I think that's what I love about the Super Cub, is that it gives something everyone can hop on and enjoy. The gearhead of the family can ride it and still have the perks of the manual transmission without alienating everyone else. I hope they don't go fully automatic on these, it's what sets it apart from every other twist and go scooter out there, but I can see why they would if they want to maximize its potential sales.
Very interesting observations, thanks! Your description of the shifting process puts me in mind of shifting hub gears on bicycles, especially the old school ones like Sturmey Archer; when you’re ready to shift you need to ease up on pedalling, or even stop before changing.
You can actuate the clutch by manipulating the pre-travel before hitting the shifting wall. Basically, the first half of the foot actuation is the clutch, and the next half is the actual shift.
Thanks for your video! I just bought one of these. In Australia they come with a kick stand and rear luggage rack. They are a unique riding experience and as you say have outsold all other forms of motorised transport ( over 100 million units by 2017) I think perhaps the cub came before the monkey, grom and CT125 trail and is the precursor to the other iterations if this vehicle. I love mine!
...but having the long seat option (like how they used to have it) allows the rider more room to seat themselves comfortably. With the long seat the bike can accommodate a larger/taller rider.
lmao, here in south east asia, these honda 125’s are used to carry supplies in rural areas. 125’s are also used as motorcycle taxis to carry heavy foreigners up mountains and down to the beaches. Google Lalamove and you’ll see couriers on 125’s with carry-on attachments stacked with packages for delivery on a daily basis.
When youre shifting down, say from 4th to 3rd or 3rd to 2nd or 2nd to 1st, you can rev-match it by revving just a tad, simulteneously while shifting. It will lower the chance of your rear tire spinning and making the downshift smoother. Love from Malaysia my brother! 🫶🏾🇲🇾 The cubs and mopeds are bread and butter of Southeast Asian life haha
You're very lucky if you got blue skies like this every day, here in Ireland we'd be very lucky to have that 5 or 6 days in a full year, usually we get very low and total Island blanket of low dark cloud and it can be incredibly depressing. Such good weather you got weather for bike riding.
I am more of a scooter guy than a motorcyclist but this bike really appeals to me. Mostly looks I really dig the look of it compared to scooters which are mostly utilitarian or very expensive. Automatic is easier but I don't really fancy fiddling with a clutch when I am communiting around. One thing I don't like about scooters is the flat footboard especially when it gets wet and muddy. Losing storage is about the only thing that makes me want to go with a scooter still but I am going to put a topcase on a scooter anyway and combined with a backpack that should be enough. Too much storage just encourages me to buy too much for when I go shopping which just makes wasting food easier. I am a pragmatic person so it is a little abnormal for me to sacrifice practicality for looks but there is also the fact that scooters are just not common around here. Which means if something goes wrong out of my control and beyond my skill level to repair I might be in some trouble. I have actually been turned down with my scooters before because the shops lacked the experience with dealing with things like that. I have not fully made up my mind on this or the PCX but this is a pretty strong contender. Things like Groms or Monkeys are just non-starters. They are toys where as the Supercub is a toy-like scooter I guess is the way I would put it.
AS an Aussie living in the Philippines, I'm undecided whether to buy a new 125cc Honda Wave at 84,000 Pesos, or the new Honda Super Cub 125, @ $4,149 US. With the current exchange rate hovering around 55 to 56 Pesos to the American dollar, was stunned to see a price point here of 228,195 to 232,344 Pesos respectfully. That settled it, the Honda Wave will find a cosy corner in my garage very shortly...
Honda wave for sure, as it's much more maneuverable, due to the fact you sit astride the bike, instead of sitting with your legs as though you were sitting at a table, as with the Click version...
The appeal vs scooter is simple. Full size tires, better weight distribution and less unsprung weight. That all adds up to far superior handling. A heel-toe shifter used to be incredibly common. You don’t need to use your heel, you can just both ends with your toe.
I passed my test on a 90cc cub then went to a 250, 650, then today's 900 (over about 30 years). Fond memories of the cub, great bike and cheap to run and maintain.
This is not hard bike to figure out. Very easy to ride. My 10 y o kid can manage one without any troubles. People been riding these for over 60 years. It was made to be practical everyday transportation. Delivery riders(mostly in asia and japan) could use their hand carrying stuff and not worry about engaging clutch. U can upshift and downshift using up down toe motion like on any other bike. No need to use ur heel. I hear lots of complaining in this video from the person who is not comfortable with a simplest bike ever made😂. Once u learn how to shirt properly and understand the purpose of this bike it could potentially be one of the most fun rides in ur garage. I know it is one for me😂
Appreciate your review. I like the cub for Honda engineering, economy, etc, but the lack of storage and lack of ability to change seating position are detractors..
Mine has a top box on the rear with a rack and dont forget you have to close the throttle to change gear and it's a rotery box so when in 4th and you stop you can go straight into neutral Automatics had not been invented when this came out in 1958
I am so getting one of these things. I know you’re saying that all if there’s gears what’s the point you should have a clutch well I don’t wanna have to deal with a clutch these can’t stall that’s perfect for me. I want something with gears that can’t stall. This is exactly perfect for me. Well, I guess it’s gonna be time to get a motorcycle license.
I know the point of this video is to overthink it, but to an average rider, I just want it because it looks cooler than a scooter. It look good, me ride.
I never use the heel shift on mine, NOT EVER and the heel extension is not noticeable! Also, as a motorcyclist with 55 years of experience the auto clutch was easier to get used to than I thought. The step through design is ideal for a rear rack/trunk and overall a really great motorcycle!
Totally appealing, I want this bad boy to shift like a motorcycle but have that 100mpg. I'll add my own storage rack on the back, there's after market options. Not a real test until you take it on the interstate even though it wasn't designed for it. Sometimes you still have to do it.
Oh but there is storage on the bike on the right side is a small compartment you can put small stuff to store registration, owbers manual, tools, etc...
Yikes! That's odd. Are you running your 110 with oil or has it otherwise been abused? I've owned many, many little Hondas and others over decades without such issues...easily with well over 10,000 miles and no problems.
@@99otari That was common back when I was young. Had a Yamaha you mixed the oil with similar results. The Honda I bought used, excellent condition but would not run right, and just had this little tiny flake where the rings passed over. The only small bike I had that really lasted was a cb125 with the jug on top that was a long life bike, electrical issue on it, someone had hooked the fuseholder together. The current machines I have had atv's and the Honda Rancher was far and above the best I have owned. Unfortunately thieves got away with it. Cops can do nothing, and I do have the serial number.
The transmission on these has the benefit of giving engine drag on deceleration, therefore quicker deceleration than a scooter which mostly freewheel on deceleration. The mini bikes are better off-road and stunt riding ect than a scooter.
You wondered why it's not a fully automatic transmission. It's not because a fully automatic transmission would cost more in terms of dissipated power than the Cub's motor can spare. The centrifugal clutch strikes the best balance between conserving the motor's limited power for use at the rear wheel while eliminating the confusion, coordination and danger a clutch lever tends to present to inexperienced riders. The centrifugal clutch also allows riders to ride one-handedly which is important to folks in countries where they use these bikes to deliver things. (In counties poorer than the U.S., people use these bikes for more utilitarian purposes, so Honda designed the bike so a rider can hold the bar with his/her right hand while holding the leash of a cow or goat with the other.
As was alluded to in another post, the semi-auto transmission is legacy for Honda, so is nothing new...been around for decades. Clutch disengagement occurs as the shift lever is held during up or down shift, or sitting in-place. As was also mentioned in another post, the shifter can be used in a manner analogous to a clutch lever.
This new Honda cub is build with modern electronic tuned for a smooth ride and high fuel efficiency. In the 80s these little bike using carbrettor was easily modified for higher torque with fast acceleration capable reaching top speed of 90+miles/h, these were very cheap build cost less than US $800 and was favourites around south east asia countries. Many of motorcycle gangs younster used these to race on the street. These new new electronic fuel injection design make it more difficult to modified without the expert by switching out the electronic controller board.
Centrifugal clutch... an idea every kid that had a cheap minibike in the 60's and 70's knew about, LOL!. Engagement is based on RPM. To shift, roll the throttle off. Same as a regular clutch in terms of rev matching... learn the shift points at which minimal clutch slip happens if you want minimal wear... other shift points if you want max acceleration and such. I think the big question should be, why is it so much more expensive than the XR150L???
is it wierd im 60 and want one of these again (in my day Honda called it the passport, same bike)? if car drivers weren't so stupid and all about what their doing, i sooo would get one.
Even the C90 would be better than electric in many ways, electrics are fine, I drive an EV but it's soulless , it's a good car, don't get me wrong, it's a volkswagen ID.3 tour 5 with 82 Kwh battery so the range is good but there's no fun there or smile when you put the foot down you hear only a gentle while for a few seconds. Another thing is recharge times, and ok, while in bed my ev charges on night tariff and I got 350 -400 + Kms range but when away from home and needing to charge at a DC point it can be a pain especially if the battery is cold recharge times are much longer as the car has the ability to pre heat the battery VW do not allow it to pre-heat for DC charging, same with most ev manufacturers that have battery heating, the heater is only there to protect the battery at very low temps, it's possible future updates change this but for now, charge times in the cost at a DC charger is slow. Your winter range will be much less, not as noticeable in my car because I got so much range but I drove small battery electric cars in the past and you will really notice a range hit. And worst of all is that you are most surely going to see much less acceleration when the battery is cold. Being able to fill a petrol scooter in seconds is a huge advantage. I know Honda are working on a hybrid system but for goodness sake, this isn't necessary on a bike/scooter because they consume such little fuel to begin with, you're just adding a lot of unnecessary complexity that is guaranteed to see the bike end up in landfill far earlier than it should. Electronics have a limited lifespan before you need to replace the likes of capacitors or this can kill main boards and it's so hard to get parts now I can't imagine many electronic spare parts in the future, as more and mote tech is included now in bikes there is a far greater risk of these scooters/bikes and even cars ending up in scrap yards far earlier than they should. + do you really want to support strip mining in such disastrous scale for eb batteries ? I know I can't talk with my EV for sure but I really don't think at the end of the day that there's anything environmentally friendly about electric cars once you are aware how they have to get the minerals to make the batteries. Tesla's model 3 and model Y SR use no cobalt which is a big step in the right direction, they are LiFeP04 batteries but they can't hold as much energy so would not offer much range in a scooter/bike. I think petrol for now is by far the most environmentally sound way to get around using scooters and small cc bikes and the world would be far better off if we could encourage a lot more people onto bikes and scooters and ditch the 1 person cars and big trucks that clog up the streets. In my opinion of course. I used to think battery electric vehicles were the way forward but now I'm not so sure when I see the sheer damage to the land and rivers to extract the minerals in such quantities, I think it's a mistake we will regret in the years to come and I say this as an EV driver myself. Sure, electronic devices require mining also but to make electric cars in huge quantities is destruction of land on a whole new scale we have never seen before.
It really annoys me that honda refuse to offer this with a standard clutch and gearbox. There is no reason for this as they already exist with the grom and monkey.
Two things I would definitely want a key start instead of a proximity start and how the heck are you supposed to put a cute anime girl on the back of your motorcycle if there’s no seat back there, that should probably be remedied
There's nothing semi automatic about it, the clutch operation is just disengaged when you let off the throttle and engaged when you're back on the revs, it's good that it's un stall able yeah but don't really get it!?
Very noice. But overpriced for it's core virtues. For that money, make it Highway / Interstate Capible. + more storage. I grabbed a clean used Burgman 400 for $2,000. 2 months later I toured coast to coast. Id guess this is a super economy local commuter. At 100mpg & it replaces a car, do $4100 seems a "good value" ? Not in Texas where our cities are many miles apart....
I had a 2020 super cub.. hated two things about it.. the solo seat was a medieval torture device.. Horrible!!!! And the second thing was the stupid key fob... That sucked.. It also needs a Kickstarter. Other than that.. fun bike.
I’m amazed at how little product knowledge and research people do before riding and reviewing motorcycles. Also, just learn how to ride the specific bike. One should close down the throttle briefly when changing gears.
For crying out loud these small bikes are way too expensive to buy brand new! Smart folks should buy them used at a much lower price. These bikes DO NOT GIVE YOU A BANG FOR YOUR BUCK. When you buy from a cycle dealer, expect $2500 to $3000 added to ur bill for the BS they want to tack on so they can keep their lights on? Stop buying this junk and, help get them OFF THE MARKET!!!!! It's like the TW 200. IT'S STILL A PIECE OF JUNK THAT SELLS FOR $3000 used. I know, cause I had one. These junk bikes are not worth anyone's time because the first thing people do is start modifying them to go faster. Or, carry more. I have never seen one stock. People always change things. BUY A BICYCLE AND PUT A FREEKIN LAWN MOWER MOTOR ON IT!!!! WEVE DONE THAT FOR DECADES TOO!!!!!! Go to a dealer ask them the out the door price then OFFER HIM HALF OF THAT. SO, THAT WOULD MAKE THE CUB ABOUT $3000 OUT THE DOOR. THAT'S ABOUT RIGHT.
It’s a shame they can’t make it more sleek appearance wise. It looks ugly AF and if they just threw in a badass sporty look they would exponentially make more sales. Spare me the aerodynamics of some leg guards. Just do a damn sporty body and watch hundreds of millions just pour in. Ok so go from what 180+ mpg to 120mpg!? Oh my God my heart is broken. $3 a gallon to 120mpg is $0.02c per mile oh the horror.
It is one big fail. After all those years, Honda could not create one with 10-11 HP, still same weak shit on narrow tires, so damm slow uphill when european Adult rides it. And to top it all, useless eletronic bs. It is super fun, until you reach mountains or until it gets too windy. Then it will makes you mad. I drive it without need for motorcycle licence, no clutch saved me from crashing into taxi drivers. Those bastards do not see you, when police is around, they focus on police not on you, nor on letting you pass before they turn.
Every truck and SUV review from now on should include how well you can pack a Super Cub in it.
I went to buy mine in Volskwagen Sharan. So basically minivan. It was standing, we just had to take mirrors off.
I am obsessed with this bike. I can’t wait to get one in a year or two
Same
What's up? Have you got one ?😊
@@abdulazizsaleh8650 not yet, I’m at college rn. If I can balance school and a job it might happen relatively soon
You can modulate the clutch by how slow you let your heal up on the shift pedal. It takes a little bit to get used to but when you do it's fun.
Been riding these for 45 years including 3 wheelers. Removes the clunk he is not used to.
The rider questioned why the bike doesn't have a normal clutch lever.
The idea of the Cub/Super Cub was to be a simple and efficient inner-city delivery vehicle.
Given that, the idea was that the other hand would be busy holding the package, so they designed a semi-automatic transmission for it.
This is why there's no clutch lever to activate.
Whether a stereotype or not, I've heard the design brief was to allow a delivery man to carry boxes of noodles held on one shoulder...
@@EpohDerf Yep, that was the example Honda gave for the idea of a clutchless transmission.
@@DeanMk1 Great! I've yet to carry noodles in my hand on mine. Top box however...
If it was meant to be a delivery vehicle it wouldnt have zero storage
@@TheAnnoyingBoss There's an optional rack that fits behind the seat.
I’ve been riding 800 pound HD’s forever and I can’t wait to buy a 2019 with 19 miles on it soon. A small Honda S65 was my first bike… reliable and fun, NO oil leaks and treacherous vibration!
Z😎😎💣💥
The very concept behind the Cub (then and now) is AWESOME. It blurs the line between "Motorcycle" and "Scooter" to make it its own thing. The Cub will always be COOL!
Good day to you!
I am a senior rider on HONDA motorcycle from Japan.
I am enjoying camping ,touring and upload video.
Your super cub video is so nice!
Awesome!
Full supported !
Have a nice day my friend!
I'm 54 and about to get my very 1st bike I'm gonna get this super Cub in a couple of months. I hope that I enjoy it it seems less scary than a big motorcycle.
@@kimwatchesstuff
Scary is all in what you're accustomed to.
This bike is cute but underpowered so you'll ALWAYS be pushed by auto traffic on all roadways.
I got a clean used Suzuki Burgman 400 Maxi scooter that's easy & a hoot to ride.
Enough power to ride city or highway no problem.
It's Auto CVT so no shifting.
But water-cooled & can tour regionally or just ride local.
It does EVERYTHING this Honda does, and 3x more for half the money.
I'd suggest you at least test ride different "easy ride bikes", Scooters, Maxi Scooters & street bike motorcycles under say 500cc.
Safe riding !
Just bought this exact Super Cub for my wife and daughter. I have a couple of Royal Enfield's that my son and I ride. Northern Michigan has perfect roads for relaxed rides on this type of bike.
Great bike for M-119 or M-22!
More stable than a scooter, it’s the best selling vehicle of all time for a reason 👍 keep on making them Honda.
I have a Vespa and a Super Cub and I have to say they just serve different purposes for me. The Super Cub does really well on bumpy roads and on longer rides it gives you something to do with the shift lever while still being comfy to ride in town. Equipped with the right luggage system, it can carry everything you need for bike travel. And then there's the super low fuel consumption, light weight and great looks.
All true. Well said. When the roads get really rough, the Super Cub goes where no Grom or Monkey does. Seventeen inch wheels make a huge difference.
The supercub makes more sense in its time. It was an alternative to the pre-cvt scooters of the time that allowed one handed riding for deliveries. Those larger wheels were meant for poor or unpaved roads. But on the flip side, features like the step-through frame, front faring, and double-ended shifter were for keeping the rider clean. Rugged, civilized, and classless; all in one package!
Nowadays, for bumming around town, a scooter is arguably better. But there is niche for a small bike that can handle rougher roads better than a scooter. (That said I'm glossing over the CT125. It's for a different role, and the difficulty getting one even now speaks for itself)
Obviously, you don't live in California.Hit a pot hole with a 10" wheeled scooter, down you go. You'd better be wearing full gear and a full faced helmet. Why does Piaggio sport a larger diameter wheel? Vespa were designed when dinosaurs roamed the earth,just before powdered wigs were in fashion. 😂
Depends on where you are...Honda Wave, which is basically a modern version on Cub, is the most popular bike in south east asia, and for a reason...
US-DOT regulations make it a little more challenging to ride. Every other region has the reverse shift pattern (toe down, shift up) and no lockout on the far side of 4th. So 1,2,3,4,N,1.. using only toe shifter is how the majority of riding takes place on level ground.
I like it, nothing ever wrong with bringing back the Classic retro Style.
Love My Super Cub
The semiautomatic is for having fun while not needing two hands to ride it. It's a middle ground between motorcycle and scooter. It's like a bicycle in a sense.
It's a moped.
I'm buying one this next Thanksgiving weekend, can't hardly wait!
Oh the AHM good ol days before most of the motorcycle department moved out of state and most retired when covid hit. Loved hanging in the shop and in the warehouse. Say hi to Dan. Dan was the coolest chill dude.
Seems like it's so much fun to drive ❤️ from Bangladesh 🇧🇩
We had a Kawasaki 3-wheeler when I was a teenager that had a semi-automatic transmission just like this one. I absolutely loved it. I love manual transmissions, but the rest of the family preferred to just be able to get on and ride with the ease of an automatic, so the Kawasaki was a wonderful compromise that allowed all of us of any age to enjoy it. I loved being able to shift and engine brake, do all of the manual transmission stuff, while also allowing my younger brother or sister to ride it without getting frustrated with stalling it out. I think that's what I love about the Super Cub, is that it gives something everyone can hop on and enjoy. The gearhead of the family can ride it and still have the perks of the manual transmission without alienating everyone else. I hope they don't go fully automatic on these, it's what sets it apart from every other twist and go scooter out there, but I can see why they would if they want to maximize its potential sales.
My big red was the same, love it
@LaneAWD_OwO I knowo it's such a nice feature!
The Cub doesn't have a clutch because in the original design, the rider needed to be able to carry goods for delivery.
I'm buying one tomorrow for my business. Delivering RV's and having this reliable beast on a hitch carrier so I can go home, Lol.
Very interesting observations, thanks! Your description of the shifting process puts me in mind of shifting hub gears on bicycles, especially the old school ones like Sturmey Archer; when you’re ready to shift you need to ease up on pedalling, or even stop before changing.
You can actuate the clutch by manipulating the pre-travel before hitting the shifting wall. Basically, the first half of the foot actuation is the clutch, and the next half is the actual shift.
makes sense.
The Super Cub is awesome.
I prefer center stands. ALL bikes should have them!
Thanks for your video! I just bought one of these. In Australia they come with a kick stand and rear luggage rack. They are a unique riding experience and as you say have outsold all other forms of motorised transport ( over 100 million units by 2017) I think perhaps the cub came before the monkey, grom and CT125 trail and is the precursor to the other iterations if this vehicle. I love mine!
The reason for the single seat is it can’t carry 400 pounds of people. I have a 2019 love it.
...but having the long seat option (like how they used to have it) allows the rider more room to seat themselves comfortably. With the long seat the bike can accommodate a larger/taller rider.
@@DeanMk1 yes! I agree and wish I had that.
@@roylappin4491 They could at least offer it as an optional seat for the bike.
it could with another seat...
lmao, here in south east asia, these honda 125’s are used to carry supplies in rural areas. 125’s are also used as motorcycle taxis to carry heavy foreigners up mountains and down to the beaches. Google Lalamove and you’ll see couriers on 125’s with carry-on attachments stacked with packages for delivery on a daily basis.
When youre shifting down, say from 4th to 3rd or 3rd to 2nd or 2nd to 1st, you can rev-match it by revving just a tad, simulteneously while shifting. It will lower the chance of your rear tire spinning and making the downshift smoother. Love from Malaysia my brother! 🫶🏾🇲🇾 The cubs and mopeds are bread and butter of Southeast Asian life haha
You're very lucky if you got blue skies like this every day, here in Ireland we'd be very lucky to have that 5 or 6 days in a full year, usually we get very low and total Island blanket of low dark cloud and it can be incredibly depressing. Such good weather you got weather for bike riding.
I love the idea of living in the UK, but the weather would keep me from it.
@@DailyMotor Note to DM, Ireland is NOT in the UK! Just saying. 🙂
Ah lol thank you@@lefuedebout
My left hand got messed up and i was looking for something more fun than a cvt. the cub with shifting seems like a good match
Ah, Torrance. Not at all a bad place when I used to live there.
I am more of a scooter guy than a motorcyclist but this bike really appeals to me. Mostly looks I really dig the look of it compared to scooters which are mostly utilitarian or very expensive. Automatic is easier but I don't really fancy fiddling with a clutch when I am communiting around. One thing I don't like about scooters is the flat footboard especially when it gets wet and muddy. Losing storage is about the only thing that makes me want to go with a scooter still but I am going to put a topcase on a scooter anyway and combined with a backpack that should be enough. Too much storage just encourages me to buy too much for when I go shopping which just makes wasting food easier.
I am a pragmatic person so it is a little abnormal for me to sacrifice practicality for looks but there is also the fact that scooters are just not common around here. Which means if something goes wrong out of my control and beyond my skill level to repair I might be in some trouble. I have actually been turned down with my scooters before because the shops lacked the experience with dealing with things like that. I have not fully made up my mind on this or the PCX but this is a pretty strong contender.
Things like Groms or Monkeys are just non-starters. They are toys where as the Supercub is a toy-like scooter I guess is the way I would put it.
Yeah I feel the same I love scooters but honda dct and someone automatic are winning me over
AS an Aussie living in the Philippines, I'm undecided whether to buy a new 125cc Honda Wave at 84,000 Pesos, or the new Honda Super Cub 125, @ $4,149 US. With the current exchange rate hovering around 55 to 56 Pesos to the American dollar, was stunned to see a price point here of 228,195 to 232,344 Pesos respectfully. That settled it, the Honda Wave will find a cosy corner in my garage very shortly...
Try honda click
Honda wave for sure, as it's much more maneuverable, due to the fact you sit astride the bike, instead of sitting with your legs as though you were sitting at a table, as with the Click version...
The appeal vs scooter is simple. Full size tires, better weight distribution and less unsprung weight.
That all adds up to far superior handling.
A heel-toe shifter used to be incredibly common. You don’t need to use your heel, you can just both ends with your toe.
Thank you for this information!
this color looks like sky blue some times but is gray mettalic ?
Charlie, Do people start with a Honda Cub and work their way up to a papa bear of a Goldwing?
For me, it was the other way around. A Goldwing was my first bike. I sold it and bought a Super Cub.
I passed my test on a 90cc cub then went to a 250, 650, then today's 900 (over about 30 years). Fond memories of the cub, great bike and cheap to run and maintain.
7:45 yes, but with the cub you don't stall (dangerous AND embarrassing) if you try to start in too high of a gear.
This is not hard bike to figure out. Very easy to ride. My 10 y o kid can manage one without any troubles. People been riding these for over 60 years. It was made to be practical everyday transportation. Delivery riders(mostly in asia and japan) could use their hand carrying stuff and not worry about engaging clutch. U can upshift and downshift using up down toe motion like on any other bike. No need to use ur heel. I hear lots of complaining in this video from the person who is not comfortable with a simplest bike ever made😂. Once u learn how to shirt properly and understand the purpose of this bike it could potentially be one of the most fun rides in ur garage. I know it is one for me😂
Appreciate your review. I like the cub for Honda engineering, economy, etc, but the lack of storage and lack of ability to change seating position are detractors..
Mine has a top box on the rear with a rack and dont forget you have to close the throttle to change gear and it's a rotery box so when in 4th and you stop you can go straight into neutral
Automatics had not been invented when this came out in 1958
I am so getting one of these things. I know you’re saying that all if there’s gears what’s the point you should have a clutch well I don’t wanna have to deal with a clutch these can’t stall that’s perfect for me. I want something with gears that can’t stall. This is exactly perfect for me. Well, I guess it’s gonna be time to get a motorcycle license.
I know the point of this video is to overthink it, but to an average rider, I just want it because it looks cooler than a scooter. It look good, me ride.
I never use the heel shift on mine, NOT EVER and the heel extension is not noticeable! Also, as a motorcyclist with 55 years of experience the auto clutch was easier to get used to than I thought. The step through design is ideal for a rear rack/trunk and overall a really great motorcycle!
Totally appealing, I want this bad boy to shift like a motorcycle but have that 100mpg.
I'll add my own storage rack on the back, there's after market options.
Not a real test until you take it on the interstate even though it wasn't designed for it.
Sometimes you still have to do it.
sound super smooth from video.
Oh but there is storage on the bike on the right side is a small compartment you can put small stuff to store registration, owbers manual, tools, etc...
My gawd I need it so bad
how often does the engine need overhauling? My old 110 needed cylinder boring a little over 3000 miles.
Yikes! That's odd. Are you running your 110 with oil or has it otherwise been abused? I've owned many, many little Hondas and others over decades without such issues...easily with well over 10,000 miles and no problems.
@@99otari That was common back when I was young. Had a Yamaha you mixed the oil with similar results. The Honda I bought used, excellent condition but would not run right, and just had this little tiny flake where the rings passed over. The only small bike I had that really lasted was a cb125 with the jug on top that was a long life bike, electrical issue on it, someone had hooked the fuseholder together. The current machines I have had atv's and the Honda Rancher was far and above the best I have owned. Unfortunately thieves got away with it. Cops can do nothing, and I do have the serial number.
What kind of uphill road would it take especially with a passenger?
The transmission on these has the benefit of giving engine drag on deceleration, therefore quicker deceleration than a scooter which mostly freewheel on deceleration. The mini bikes are better off-road and stunt riding ect than a scooter.
You wondered why it's not a fully automatic transmission. It's not because a fully automatic transmission would cost more in terms of dissipated power than the Cub's motor can spare. The centrifugal clutch strikes the best balance between conserving the motor's limited power for use at the rear wheel while eliminating the confusion, coordination and danger a clutch lever tends to present to inexperienced riders.
The centrifugal clutch also allows riders to ride one-handedly which is important to folks in countries where they use these bikes to deliver things. (In counties poorer than the U.S., people use these bikes for more utilitarian purposes, so Honda designed the bike so a rider can hold the bar with his/her right hand while holding the leash of a cow or goat with the other.
As was alluded to in another post, the semi-auto transmission is legacy for Honda, so is nothing new...been around for decades.
Clutch disengagement occurs as the shift lever is held during up or down shift, or sitting in-place. As was also mentioned in another post, the shifter can be used in a manner analogous to a clutch lever.
I've read that the bike really comes alive after 1000 miles break in.
Is the shift pattern 1N234 or N1234
When you build it, you can add storage. I think it was $90.
in Vietnam, these Super Cubs can be sold even after decades. the engine basically never breaks.
This new Honda cub is build with modern electronic tuned for a smooth ride and high fuel efficiency. In the 80s these little bike using carbrettor was easily modified for higher torque with fast acceleration capable reaching top speed of 90+miles/h, these were very cheap build cost less than US $800 and was favourites around south east asia countries. Many of motorcycle gangs younster used these to race on the street. These new new electronic fuel injection design make it more difficult to modified without the expert by switching out the electronic controller board.
I’m 6’2” 185 lbs….how will I fit on this?
Please ride in metro area with options for Cub, will sure have different outcomes
What’s the fastest it goes?
Thank You!!
There's a little storage box on the side, isn't there?
Drove a truck OTR, area reminds me of the Bay area.
Centrifugal clutch... an idea every kid that had a cheap minibike in the 60's and 70's knew about, LOL!. Engagement is based on RPM. To shift, roll the throttle off.
Same as a regular clutch in terms of rev matching... learn the shift points at which minimal clutch slip happens if you want minimal wear... other shift points if you want max acceleration and such.
I think the big question should be, why is it so much more expensive than the XR150L???
is it wierd im 60 and want one of these again (in my day Honda called it the passport, same bike)? if car drivers weren't so stupid and all about what their doing, i sooo would get one.
No, not stupid. I am 55 and want one.
Very attractive motorcycle.
Retro! Wanting an electric version.
they've announced a electric cub tho it looks quite a bit different.
Yuck... electric...yuck...
Don't drink the kool-aid
Even the C90 would be better than electric in many ways, electrics are fine, I drive an EV but it's soulless , it's a good car, don't get me wrong, it's a volkswagen ID.3 tour 5 with 82 Kwh battery so the range is good but there's no fun there or smile when you put the foot down you hear only a gentle while for a few seconds.
Another thing is recharge times, and ok, while in bed my ev charges on night tariff and I got 350 -400 + Kms range but when away from home and needing to charge at a DC point it can be a pain especially if the battery is cold recharge times are much longer as the car has the ability to pre heat the battery VW do not allow it to pre-heat for DC charging, same with most ev manufacturers that have battery heating, the heater is only there to protect the battery at very low temps, it's possible future updates change this but for now, charge times in the cost at a DC charger is slow.
Your winter range will be much less, not as noticeable in my car because I got so much range but I drove small battery electric cars in the past and you will really notice a range hit.
And worst of all is that you are most surely going to see much less acceleration when the battery is cold.
Being able to fill a petrol scooter in seconds is a huge advantage.
I know Honda are working on a hybrid system but for goodness sake, this isn't necessary on a bike/scooter because they consume such little fuel to begin with, you're just adding a lot of unnecessary complexity that is guaranteed to see the bike end up in landfill far earlier than it should.
Electronics have a limited lifespan before you need to replace the likes of capacitors or this can kill main boards and it's so hard to get parts now I can't imagine many electronic spare parts in the future, as more and mote tech is included now in bikes there is a far greater risk of these scooters/bikes and even cars ending up in scrap yards far earlier than they should.
+ do you really want to support strip mining in such disastrous scale for eb batteries ? I know I can't talk with my EV for sure but I really don't think at the end of the day that there's anything environmentally friendly about electric cars once you are aware how they have to get the minerals to make the batteries.
Tesla's model 3 and model Y SR use no cobalt which is a big step in the right direction, they are LiFeP04 batteries but they can't hold as much energy so would not offer much range in a scooter/bike.
I think petrol for now is by far the most environmentally sound way to get around using scooters and small cc bikes and the world would be far better off if we could encourage a lot more people onto bikes and scooters and ditch the 1 person cars and big trucks that clog up the streets. In my opinion of course.
I used to think battery electric vehicles were the way forward but now I'm not so sure when I see the sheer damage to the land and rivers to extract the minerals in such quantities, I think it's a mistake we will regret in the years to come and I say this as an EV driver myself. Sure, electronic devices require mining also but to make electric cars in huge quantities is destruction of land on a whole new scale we have never seen before.
The whole shifter heal toe thing is to be able to ride with sandals.
Cant u get the long seat and foot pegs in developing countries? That single seat would irk me too.
I thought that only in Indonesia there were cub motorbikes, but in America they also have them
They’re all over the world.
I am in the ignoramous group, but wouldn't a Super Cub 250 single, or 450 dual sound amazing ?
Hmmm...perhaps my '012 Bonneville and '78 DT175 will go by-by to be replaced by a new Super Cub 125.
I know this is off topic, but what kind of leather jacket is that you're wearing in the vid?
I honestly can't remember. It wasn't a riding jacket, just a generic fake leather jacket
100 million people cant be wrong, great bike
I don't understand why Honda doesn't sell the passenger seat in America they sell it everywhere else and I mean everywhere else
Okay so how about looking at the various options for racks and so forth. Totally missed this in the review.
I’m kind of in the camp that believes the Honda super cub is approaching novelty status
its a great lightweight commuter... i will end my biking career on one
It really annoys me that honda refuse to offer this with a standard clutch and gearbox. There is no reason for this as they already exist with the grom and monkey.
Two things I would definitely want a key start instead of a proximity start and how the heck are you supposed to put a cute anime girl on the back of your motorcycle if there’s no seat back there, that should probably be remedied
Might be better off with fully auto scooter
Larger wheels are safer then the little scooter tires.
There's nothing semi automatic about it, the clutch operation is just disengaged when you let off the throttle and engaged when you're back on the revs, it's good that it's un stall able yeah but don't really get it!?
No u don’t come to stop u start shifting down I have a 2022 and a 1982
I would definitely come to a stop before down shifting unless encountering a hill.
Because it looks 1000 times better than a scooter!
Put a RACK AND A BOX ON IT !!!!! Duh!!!!
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disagree with the rider here.
Very noice.
But overpriced for it's core virtues.
For that money, make it Highway / Interstate Capible.
+ more storage.
I grabbed a clean used Burgman 400 for $2,000.
2 months later I toured coast to coast.
Id guess this is a super economy local commuter.
At 100mpg & it replaces a car, do $4100 seems a "good value" ?
Not in Texas where our cities are many miles apart....
A bit of research before your review wouldn't have gone amiss .
I had a 2020 super cub.. hated two things about it.. the solo seat was a medieval torture device..
Horrible!!!! And the second thing was the stupid key fob...
That sucked..
It also needs a Kickstarter.
Other than that.. fun bike.
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Cheap on gas I'm sure but only for the city not highway.
I’m amazed at how little product knowledge and research people do before riding and reviewing motorcycles. Also, just learn how to ride the specific bike. One should close down the throttle briefly when changing gears.
Like everything else these days, too expensive
It's a moped.
leave the trail alone you wont like it it`snot a monkey
For crying out loud these small bikes are way too expensive to buy brand new! Smart folks should buy them used at a much lower price. These bikes DO NOT GIVE YOU A BANG FOR YOUR BUCK. When you buy from a cycle dealer, expect $2500 to $3000 added to ur bill for the BS they want to tack on so they can keep their lights on? Stop buying this junk and, help get them OFF THE MARKET!!!!! It's like the TW 200. IT'S STILL A PIECE OF JUNK THAT SELLS FOR $3000 used. I know, cause I had one. These junk bikes are not worth anyone's time because the first thing people do is start modifying them to go faster. Or, carry more. I have never seen one stock. People always change things. BUY A BICYCLE AND PUT A FREEKIN LAWN MOWER MOTOR ON IT!!!! WEVE DONE THAT FOR DECADES TOO!!!!!! Go to a dealer ask them the out the door price then OFFER HIM HALF OF THAT. SO, THAT WOULD MAKE THE CUB ABOUT $3000 OUT THE DOOR. THAT'S ABOUT RIGHT.
It’s a shame they can’t make it more sleek appearance wise. It looks ugly AF and if they just threw in a badass sporty look they would exponentially make more sales. Spare me the aerodynamics of some leg guards. Just do a damn sporty body and watch hundreds of millions just pour in. Ok so go from what 180+ mpg to 120mpg!? Oh my God my heart is broken. $3 a gallon to 120mpg is $0.02c per mile oh the horror.
Clueless.
It is one big fail. After all those years, Honda could not create one with 10-11 HP, still same weak shit on narrow tires, so damm slow uphill when european Adult rides it. And to top it all, useless eletronic bs. It is super fun, until you reach mountains or until it gets too windy. Then it will makes you mad. I drive it without need for motorcycle licence, no clutch saved me from crashing into taxi drivers. Those bastards do not see you, when police is around, they focus on police not on you, nor on letting you pass before they turn.