Here’s why the Astros GAVE UP Drew Gilbert in a TRADE! | ESPN Houston
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- The Astros traded their top prospect, Drew Gilbert, along with Ryan Clifford to the Mets for Justin Verlander. How much of their willingness to part with Gilbert is related to Chas McCormick's hot hitting? How much of it is that the Astros don't see Gilbert as a future star??
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AMAZING HOW ONCE YOUR PROSPECTS GET TRAIDED..NOW THEY ARENT AS GOOD AS ADVERTISED..!! DREW GILBERT IS A BALLPLAYERS PLAYER..!! YOU CANT TEACH HUSTLE AND GRIT...!! HE PLAYS WITH HIS HAIR ON 🔥 FIRE AND I LOVE IT.. !! HE KINDA REMINDS ME OF LENNY DYKSTRA OF THE 80'S METS...!! MAYBE GILBERT WILL BE OUR "NAILS" 2.0....!!!!
As a Mets fan I wish Justin all the luck in the world. Loved him here even if it was for a few months. I LOVE what the Mets did here. Cohen considered all the money spent anyway so to be able to recognize that the giant payroll failed and immediately pivoted to stocking up farm talent. I think Clifford ultimately ends up the better mlb players in this. Good luck Astros!
I liked both Gilbert and Clifford, and I think the Mets have legit future ML stars. I think the Astros needed Verlander more than a really good MLB in 2-3 years. Good luck to both teams in this trade.
$54 MILLION in cash had more to do with giving up Gilbert than anything else.
I’m more excited with Clifford. I think that’s the steal of the trade
Funny that once these guys are traded they are now going to be just decent players. Gotta a lot of work to do with that farm system if he was your number 1 prospect.
Agree when the Astros drafted Gilbert media loved it he was going to be oir next star once the veterans are gone but now that he's gone he's just average and won't be anything other than average
They didn’t give up on Gilbert. They needed pitching and they went out and got it
I am a Mets fan who gets mocked by other fans for still having Verlander on the books. That said,considering what we got back in Clifford and Gilbert, I think we made the right move,not just an unprecedented one.Time will tell. And on GM’s downplaying the guys he just gave up. Hmmm 🤔. I have never seen this before😂😂😂. LGM!!!
Jake Meyer it’s not mediocre! He just do 2 HR back to back and he was one of the guys producing at the beginning when no one else was. 😡🤫
Drew Gilbert, Dr. Drew, uncle Drew… who GAF, Astros in 4.
We going to the ship
F-ing A!
Exactly..
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giving a first round pick and saving 50m bucks and another prospect for JV for 1 1/3 years. sounds good to me. JV is an All-Star, and yeah, was just a Cy Young.
Messed up shitting on these kids because Houston traded them.
giving up Drew Gilbert to save 50m. 50m is already more than enough for an All-Star one year.
Vick and OJ jerseys hanging behind this Jeremy guy, could've picked a few worse role models. Perhaps Aaron Hernandez and Rae Curruth , maybe Henry Rugss ?
I would trade Click for Brown right now and both to have Jeff Luhnow back any day. NO way in hell he makes that trade
Gilbert could not hit at all in AA. He was not getting a September call up. His power completely disappeared
Of course he's going talk down player ,he hit a hr last night first at bat for bk cyclones I'll take him
Hey it's the Mets time now to finally get a top notch farm and capitalize. If Gilbert is hearing what his former employer is saying I hope he goes out there and be a stud for the Mets. It's the Mets time now to field a team of good young talent.
Clifford is the prize of that trade. I don't know why everyone on Twitter was losing their mind when we traded Gilbert. Melton, Baez and Barber is where it's at... those 3 have a much higher ceiling. Gilberts is more polished yes because he played in the SEC but his ceiling is low at the MLB level in my option. I think his ceiling might be Benintendi, solid player but not a star.
This also gives you the money to maybe extend Tucker, whether be a long extension or a short one. Hear me out on the short extension. I've said this before, this actually works the best for both sides. It's actually advantages for Tucker as well. Hes currently 26 and hits free agency in 2 years at the age of 28. Buyout the last 2 years of arbitration + 3 year extension. Say we offer this, last 2 years of arbitration we give him 20 mil each, then 35 each the next 3. Thats 20 + 20 + 35 + 35 +35 = 145m. He then hits free agency at the age of 31 to sign his 9 or 10 year deal. Maybe he gets a 10 year 380 deal. Thats well over 500 mil total for him. Hitting free agency at the age of 30 or 31 is the sweet spot. By then the CBT is going to be much higher so his AAV will be much higher as well vs becoming a free agent after arbitration at the age of 28.
If he signs a long term deal at age 28 (current free agent year) say 10-12 years for 350, or even 400. Hes leaving close to 100 m on the table. Also by year 4 of this deal, hes gonna be at a major discount when the CBT goes up. Hitting free agency at age 28 and signing a long term deal is not the best way to go if hes looking to maximize his money.
This is what we did with Bregman. Bought out last year 3 years of his arbitration and extended him for 2 more. Now Bregman will hit free agency at age 31 to sign his long term deal, which is also why I think Bregman will leave.
I think this route could have worked this past offseason before he hit arbitration but we didn't have a gm. I totally wouldn't be surprised if we offered to buyout Tucker's last 2 years of arbitration and then offer a 2 or 3 year extension at a high AAV. Make him a 150m player before he even hits free agency to sign his long term deal. It's the best for both sides.
Gilbert wasn’t the prize. It was Clifford. It was always Clifford.
nice trade for both of us
Drew made 2 great catches in CF yesterday.
Or he’s softening the fleece
The astros traded drew gilbert because they had to if not verlander would not be an Astro right now not because chaz is balling not because gilbert is average but because if you wanted verlander back you jad to give him up
Pointing out what Daryl Morey did is probably not a good way to justify anything. That dude was an absolute clown shoe. I'll always remember staring and disbelief when we dropped it another tweener forward instead of taking Kawhi Leonard.
Mets fan here. The stros fans will love those extra 35 million bucks they will have for free agents next year. Justin was a class act rooting for u guys and dusty. Oh btw anyone but the yankees
This is a win for both teams mets paid a bunch of extra money for better prospects and Astros get Verlander and most of his contract free
They have Jose pitching Sunday not France
Chas came on in the last half of last year and we were tickled that he was good and he stepped it up in the playoffs. Chas has shown us that (up to this point) he is developing into an all-star outfielder. He has speed, pop in the bat, great defense, baseball smarts, and works well with Tuck, Yordan, Julks and Meyers on fly balls. I hope it's not too premature to say that he's the Astros' centerfielder going forward.
I agree with Brown's choice to deal Gilbert.
Lol do you really need to cut down PROSPECTS to make the deal feel better??
The first guy they should have unloaded from the team was Jake the garden snake Meyers... The bum should be working some random drive through
This current road trip is going to hurt us. We have to play the top teams in the East on the road while Arlington gets to play the dregs of the league.
Wanna be the best ya gotta beat the best. Astros need to step up.. Like yesterday.
That's fine his value might be quote on quote diminish cuz he isn't a CF. I need a solid corner outfielder and good bat. He had to down play him he had to trade him and can't let the fan base learn that is was too much.
Speaking as a Mets fan, I could care less if Gilbert can play CF or a corner outfield spot. We didn’t get him to play centerfield anyway. We got him to add some talent to our farm system. So if he develops into a good solid major-league player, that’s all I care about. These guys are going on as if the Mets got stuck because this dude can’t play centerfield. Who cares 🤣
5'9" was always going to limit him as a center fielder, idk why they didn't immediately change him to the infield. He's not going to have the range for center field at 5'9" and he's definitely not robbing any HRs. Chas is kinda short for a CF and he's 6 foot.
great observation Bobby!!!!! Why not convert him to infield????? My guess is he's LEFTHANDED... He was the Astros number One prospect and you don't even know what hand the throws the ball with..
Chas playing good doesnt mean you punt on Gilbert a younger LHH who will probably be a better player in the long run
He was saying they were avg to down play how much he overpaid in terms of prospects
Gilbert might become a good major leaguer, chas already is. And they traded him for a first ballot hall of famer coming off of a cy young award that they only have to pay 20m a year for instead of 45m. Parades>prospects.
@@brandoncadena08 giving a first round pick and saving 50m bucks and another prospect for JV for 1 1/3 years. sounds good to me. JV is an All-Star, and yeah, was just a Cy Young.
@@DubCmusicTV absolutely I don't get people who were hating this trade. Unless one of those guys turns into a perennial all star for the next decade I'd make the trade again without hesitation. We have a real chance to compete for a world series for the next two or there years. We have to be aggressive about going for it now.
@@brandoncadena08 If you cant see how bad this trade is i cant help you. Crane essentially gutted the system of its top 2 prospects because he didnt want to sign JV in FA because of a 3rd year. This is bad on both Crane and JV side.
JV claimed he wanted to go somewhere he could try and win but left a 2 time WSC team that had been to 6 straight LCS for essentially 20-25m more money when he had already earned 350m in his career.
Crane wanted JV to stay but didnt want to give him a 3rd year. The dude claims he wants to win now while we are in this window and claims he will spend if he thinks we need to but he is scared to get in the top 3 payroll or pay a luxury tax for a couple years.
Losing the prospects isnt all about if they play on the Astros in the majors, they are a trade chip for future trades as well and instead of keeping them for future uses he used them to sign JV at a discount. Pathetic
@@Reaperherpderp crane didn't want to give him 43m a year which would limit our ability to resign current players and free agents*. There fixed it for you.
1. Forrest Whitley was our number 1 prospect and one of the top prospects in baseball for how many years. How's that working out now?
2. I'm sure you has J.P France as a solid starting pitching prospect that was gonna show up and immediately make an impact in the majors two years ago.
3. Yordon was such a sought after prospect that the dodger though we were talking about a totally different alverez during trade negotiations.
4. Drew Gilbert has a .241 ba in AA. He was going to be years away regardless of if he ever actually makes and impact in the majors.
5. Clifford does sting a little more, but he had yet to get higher than high A.
6. This organization takes middling prospects and shits out major league all stars regularly.
7. Jim Crane has hung 4 banners in the last 6 years, until we actually start to suck he's earned the benefit of the doubt.
8. Parades are still better than prospects and flags fly forever.
This offense is rough lately. Lets be real here. It puts pressure on your pitching staff with double play ball, and 123 innings. You absolutely HAD to make that deal for verlander and now. My only dissapointment wasnt going to get a bat but is that the issue? We have generational talent that frankly is playing like shii this year. Thats a coaching issue imo.
First Gilbert was NOT on the 40 man roster and putting him on the 40 man roster presents its own problems.
He traded them away, do you think he is going to say he is a great prospect and we made a bad trade?
Drew Gilbert is a nice prospect but he’s a poor man’s Andrew Benintendi. If we sign Tuck-which we absolutely should-you’ve got your outfield for at least 3-4 years. Yordan or Julks in left. Chas in center, Tuck in right.
Sounds more like he's just trying to downplay what we gave up. But if our #1 prospect is just someone we ourselves view as maybe a decent corner outfielder, then our farm system was in even deeper trouble if that was possible. Well, it is, because they're gone. I hope nobody gets hurt for a few years.
Fangraphs ranks the Astros farm at #30 or 30. It's awful. Just one prospect who's even a 45 FV, the kind of player who projects as a bench guy.
They've got a couple interesting starters, the dude they just promoted to AAA. That team is in the PCL, where pitchers go to die, and it's hilarious. We are loaded with 6 ERA pitchers, except for Arrighetti, the guy we just promoted. If he can handle the PCL, we've got something. And the dude at AA, Gordon. Just glad they didn't trade those 2 guys. If those 2 guys are for real, they'll be loaded witb starting pitching for years. Golbert doesn't look like a can't miss hitter. He's barely got a 700 OPS at AA.
@@davidmcmaster2083 Gilbert was still playing NCAA ball in 2022. He only recently got promoted to AA in just his first full season in the minors, where he is 2.5 years younger than the average player in the league. His OPS in the Rk league was 1.418 in high A it was 1.107. He was destroying much younger, more advanced players.
Gordon has already had TJ surgery in 2021 and is considered to have a ceiling of backend starter or lefty specialist reliever.
@@frozenharold Just saying. 224 ABs is a sample size. Not a sure thing hitter. He clearly needs to make an adjustment to counter what AA pitchers are doing to him. Maybe they found a hole in his swing, exploiting it. Maybe the stuff he's facing is better than at A ball and college. He's barely over 700. That's weak.
@@davidmcmaster2083 Maybe it's just basically that he's halfway through his first full season in minor league ball, playing AA ball against players with years more worth of minor league experience during what is essentially his senior year of college. Maybe it was just a big jump in talent and it took him a moment to adjust. For over his last 99 AB, he is batting. 293 with an .859 OPS.
Mets paid for prospects, at least they got 2 good ones
Mets have Nimmomin center and the corners suck
Nimmo is a great center fielder and has a long term contract. The Mets don’t need a center fielder.
Julks 0-35.....
Gilbert has dropped off considerably since the move to AA. He's barely got a 700 OPS. He doesn't like like a can't miss hitter.
I dont think Drew is as good as they claim. I read an article that showed his combined BA between high-A and AA was like 280. Yeah that may be pretty good for those levels but i think he would struggle with AAA and MLB pitching. If your only hitting 280 in low level rookie ball then im gonna lose faith because they hype train derailed
@thefishhobbyist5478 since your not much of a numbers person, allow me to lay some stats on you. Between 1/4 & 1/3 of top 100 prospects make it to MLB. Even less actually stay in MLB.
So as I said before, I believe he was over hyped. A combined BA of .280 in High A and AA is not what you want from a top 100 MLB prospect. Yes he had a decent amount of homers but that only proves that occasionally he'll actually connect with solid contact. A 280 BA is good in MLB but rookie ball not so much
Because they had no choice. This pitching staff desperately needed JV. Another pathetic start by Christian Javier last night. Its time to move him back to the pen. He is exactly why certaim players should never be given long-term deals.
@@user-dy2dt7fp1g Can't give up 3 runs in the first inning like that,he does it a lot. Gets hammered early. It sets the tone. If that had been a playoff game the pen would have been up after the first homer
Uncle mike wants so desperately to come bad
Cause stros are about to resign Tucker.
It’s absolute no-brainer to trade Gilbert. Chas is one of the main reasons why we won the WS last year with his glove and bat.
We are banking with potential in Gilbert and he was struggling in AA. We know Chas can hit MLB pitching and is 2nd in OPS behind Alvarez.
Chas is tearing it up I'm all about it
It's not a no brainer just because Chas is doing good, we still need an everyday left fielder.
For a HOF pitcher...duh. doesn't need a video to explain
Not to mention NYM is eating $35mill this year and next year plus half of his option year if JV opts in
If that's as deep as your brain is capable of thinking then sure. HOF der der HOF gud rite?
@@bobbygetsbanned6049 you're a clown. Why wouldn't you take Verlander on sale?