The phone call with Austin and his dad to sounded like Austin was genuinely scared. The narrator said he sounded flat and monotone and perhaps there was some of that but he had to be absolutely exhausted due to his behavior and undiagnosed mental status. It’s clear he didn’t feel himself and didn’t know why. Questioning yourself that way plus the manic feelings of grandeur is terribly exhausting. I felt really sad listening to that phone call. He sounded like a child wanting to be reassured and comforted by his dad 🥺
Thats exactly what i heard!!! A scared young man with extreme mental health problems!!! Im sure the steroids exacerbated his mental health! I am heart broken for the murdered couple’s family that is for sure!! I am also so extremely sad for Austin and his family. It is clear this is a mental psychotic break from reality. His parents tried to help. Just an awful tragedy. 💔
Case #1. We've lived with the onset of schizophrenia with our son. It was very scary for us to observe, and experience, how he changed. Fortunately he was evaluated in a psychiatric hospital over a period of three months and has been on antipsychotics for three years. His behaviour gets weird at times, but nothing remotely close to what it was. All we can do is support him and ensure he stays medicated to protect society and himself.
@@tonyotto5988 I could never do that to him, even if I could afford it. He's heavily medicated and hasn't had any episodes since going on the meds. And he actually never leaves home, by choice. Apparently the biggest problem comes in if they start feeling better because of the meds, go off the meds, become psychotic, go on the meds, go off etc and every time they go off they are more psychotic than before. Also drinking and drugs are a total no no. We're over 65 so if anything happens to us he may need to be institutionalised. Whole thing makes me so sad.
@@marionfriedenthal7352 it's true it is sad and eventually if something happens you and your husband he would have to be institutionalized before something bad happens to somebody else or himself. Not saying he's a bad guy because you could be the coolest guy in the world it's a tragic situation
make sure he takes his meds, stays away from horror movies, violence, bad crowds and other anxiety inducing things. depression is also a gateway to manic episodes. Stay strong, guardians of mentally ill patients never get commended, but know that there are people out there who has a strong idea of what you're going through, and those people commend you for your bravery and perseverance. God bless your family and make it easier for you
Update to the Austin case for those interested: Austin was found not guilty by reason of mental insanity in November 2022 after a judge accepted his plea and he is set to be placed in a secure mental health facility.
He better be. My mom was working at a psychiatrist office and I was doing carpentry work there and known this guy for 20 years his son tried to cut his arm off and beat his father with it. He's currently in the hospital thank God because he was going to kill his father in my mom about 2 weeks ago. That is so scary I love my mom
My father had a psychotic break and it is the worst thing I've ever seen. One day he was a strong, hardworking, great father and husband and the next he said he had a worm in his brain, didn't know who we were, tried choking my brother, broke every single thing in our house, and jumped off of an electrical tower. I have lived through a horror movie and I feel for all of these people and hope they can find peace in their lives
The call between Austin’s dad and him is just heartbreaking.. I can’t imagine my son going through something like that. It’s a beautiful thing that his father still supports and loves his son and wants to help him. I would want to get my son help too..
He sounds like my first love in that phone call. He had schizophrenia and killed himself a couple years ago. I loved him so much and still do and I wish he was still here. I know that Austin was probably so scared and heartbroken by what he’d done.
Yes, it is heartbreaking. I have 2 wayward children. I want nothing more than to wrap them in my arms to keep them safe from themselves until the danger passes, but they won't.
Idk how you could think Austin wasn’t insane the night of the attack. He seemed completely delusional - glad he’s in a secure hospital now honestly. Prison wouldn’t do anything for him.
@@codymazza7303yeah it really sucks. It’s hard to feel bad or good about it because people died you know. But from what it seems, he has a terrible case of schizophrenia. I know a couple of people with a mild case of it and all they experience are faint whispers and intense chatter in there head that normally isn’t a bad thing but for them it feels completely involuntary. So for Austin I can’t help but feel sorry for everyone involved the world is a sad place sometimes
It's rare that I feel bad for both sides of a murder case, but the first story is upsetting to say the least. It's not often that i believe a murderer has diminished responsibility for their crimes based on mental instability, but its pretty obvious to me that Austin was not in control at all. I feel for both sides.
Sad thing is that he's in Florida where they don't care if you are seriously mentally ill or not most of the time, they just want you either locked up or dead.
The dad is amazing. I’ve never seen such unconditional love. The dad knows terrible things happened but didn’t judge his mental health. Only reassured him that he would get him help and suggesting he try to get a Bible. Rather than defending his actions, he said stay strong. We will get you help. I can’t imagine how hard it was but that’s true unconditionally love
@@Ceerads remember at the end of the day 27 individual human beings liked his comment while you liked your own. Meaning nobody liked yours. think about that. And then ask yourself was your comment really necessary. Or was it appropriate? Just to give you a hint, the answer is no. Make it 28
It's the first time, I'm genuinely sympathetic to someone who murdered two people. You could tell, he just needed psychiatric help. I feel for his victims too. And Austin too. It's just a heartbreaking situation. The call broke my heart.
Dont be scared. You can get help! I want to help you. Im just far away and maybe not in a mental health to do anything good. I just have to wait until the sun comes up and I can eat my breakfast. Its so good to have rice and chicken in the fridge. Remember to eat and drink water and wine with jesus and you will be okay.
My bf stepbrother has schizophrenia, he was diagnosed last fall after his dad witness his psychosis and he got help really quickly. It was so hard to listen to the phone call because I feel like that could have happened to my stepbrother if his parents had hesitated getting him hospitalized in a mental health facility. He's now medicated and always at his mom's of dad's, went back to school and even got a part-time job. He also interacts better with us compared to before.
@@prettybrowneyez3338 his dad took him to the psychiatric hospital and he was hospitalized after a quick diagnosis. They needed more time to assert it was really schizophrenia and give him proper help. He stayed there for a few weeks and his parents would visit every day. He was discharge with medications and they made sure he would be taken care of.
I have a friend who has paranoid schizophrenia but who is the least violent person I have ever met. It first manifested at a house party. He believed that someone started a rumour that he had sexually assaulted a cat and that everyone conversation he could see people having (not close enough to actually hear) was about him being a zoophile. The assault never happened and no one was even showing him attention, but to him, everyone was looking at him and talking about him. This escalated to people "believing" he was a rapist and paedophile. He can hear the conversations of people walking past his home saying "that's where the nonce lives". I can't even imagine how awful that must be to live like that. Although when he is not delusional, he knows it isn't real and is aware of his psychosis, but when he is- it is all very real. He is such a great guy and I wish he could see that.
The saddest thing about most all cases like Austins- if you’ve ever traveled that road with a child suffering from mental illness- there’s no help. Society literally pushes them to extremes before they will listen. We see it over and over- the videos, diaries- mentally ill minds begging for help and nobody listens. Then they get sent to prison still not medicated properly. Imagine- your mind haunting you every min of every day and having just enough sanity to know something is wrong. It’s awful. The victims never had to die if someone- anyone had helped Austin before it came to that.
@Mmannk they can show signs as early as 6 or 7 but can't be tested but by the time they are 13 or 14 they are pretty much never going to change, only get worse, but can't be tested until 18 where it's way too late to start treatment. It makes no sense
I’ve suffered from a psychotic break before and it is the scariest thing coming back out of it. I really hope Austin is getting the mental care he needs. It’s so, so very difficult trying to get yourself out of that place. I hope the families of the victims have found their peace, and that Austin has found peace as well 🤍
I’ve heard more about Austin’s case: He said he heard voices and saw this dark shadow and he followed it to that garage. He only attacked Michelle because the voices told him she was a witch and he had to kill her. The phone call between him and his father was so heart breaking- he sounded afraid and like he just wanted to be with his family again. His father is so amazing for still loving and reassuring his son that he’ll be ok and telling him that he loves him. Although the narrator said that Austin sounds monotone and flat, I personally thought he sounded scared and like he was about to cry. Hes just a boy who need serious help, I feel quite sorry for him because of the voices and his mental illness but His actions and cannibalism is not excused and he should be charged for it
I know we are only getting a brief overview of this story but I don't have confidence in anyone medical professional that says Austin wasn't legally insane.
@@sandrahatherley2184 Is there some reason why you think expressing sympathy for a young adult who clearly experienced a mental health crisis and now has to live with the knowledge they are a murderer precludes one for also feeling sympathy for the murder victims? Sympathy isn't a finite resource....
I bet you could find more ‘medical professionals’ that would decide that the kid was faking it than ones that would side with him. Just perspective. Right or wrong yes or no, nobody knows for sure.
Their tiny panicked little teary faces are something I can see if my mind 😭 I don’t even like kids but oh my god, the idea of harming a child is horrible to me. I wish she had ditched them at a hospital
I watched another video where a mother turned around and shot all 3 of her kids on the back seat. WTF is wrong with these people? Adopt them out or just leave them with someone. There is absolutely no forgiveness for an act like that
I feel like this is more nurture than nature. Getting abused by your stepfather throughout your childhood, telling multiple adults including your mother and multiple counsellors, and them not doing fucking anything about it, would really fuck someone up for life. It isn't an excuse for her actions, but society definitely failed this woman from the start.
Susan Smith’s story is eerily similar to that of Diane Downs who shot her three children while “out for a drive” one night in 1983. She also claimed that they were carjacked by a strange man. In the interviews, you could tell she was just overjoyed to be the center of attention. It was also eventually discovered that Diane had been obsessed with a married man who claimed he didn’t want children. The similarities between the two cases makes me think this happens a lot more than we think!! Just crazy
I had to wrack my brain for a minute because Susan's case is such a carbon copy of Diane's and I wasn't sure if my memory of Diane's story had somehow gotten completely scrambled. Piece of garbage or not, though, at least Susan had enough of a gnawing conscience to finally crack and admit what happened, versus Diane who, as far as I know, is continuing to Rubik's cube her story about the "frazzled man" to any who'll listen.
Austin’s case is particularly tragic to me coming from the area, and knowing many people who knew him personally. I’ve worked in the psych field and have seen people’s hard won lives turned upside down by these issues. The fact that he mentioned shrooms hit me like a ton of bricks. Do NOT touch psychedelics if you have any family or personal history of serious mental illness. You can throw yourself into a situation it can be difficult if not impossible to climb out of.
Or concussions, people don't do psychedelics if you play sports that you end up with a lot of concussions. Local story for me where a boy stabbed his father to death and almost his step-mom because he had a history of concussions and did shrooms. He thought they were devils and that god had sent him as some day of reckoning. Cops who arrested him claim he had abnormal strength, almost "super-strength" as they put it. Search Thomas Chan stabs family.
I agree with you wholeheartedly. Young people fail to realize how serious it can be taking shrooms and having an undiagnosed mental illness. It can also happen with pcp.
I've seen a close friend of mine have a psychotic episode on mushrooms. This was during a house party with around 30 people, most of them on mushrooms themselves inc me. We initially separated him, put him into a dark room at the back of the house with dome dim lights, got all of the pillows, covers and blankets we could find to pad the room, and removed everything sharp because he was trashing around a bit. This worked fine for a while, he was just lying in there, speaking nonsense, giggling, sometimes screaming obscenities. But then people stumbled in on the room, and within a few minutes there were a dozen or so ppl on there... We were trying go get then out, but our friend was getting more agitated, and even tried to bite a girl's face, so we had to restrain him.... This guy is 6'2, does ufc and may thai. I was holding his left leg only, for like an hour before we decided we needed to call 000 (Australia). By the time the cops got there he was very violent, trying to punch, bite, scratch anyone. He fought the police and tried to bite them too. Once they restrained him on a stretcher he calmed down. We were really worried about him, but the next day he showed up at our place. He said he didn't remember anything at all, except trying to bite a police officer, which was when he sort of came to the realisation of what he was doing. He woke up in hospital, restrained, with a nappy on. He didn't have a history of mental illness. He and us did mushrooms together for many years, dozens of times, and one time it just happened. This isn't to scare anyone, just a personal experience. This didn't put me off from psychedelics myself lol. Just give them the respect, and I wouldn't do it more than twice a year.
Yea those are definitely dangerous. Although im not an expert on shrooms and dont how how they affect the body or long long the hallucinations can last (eg. A week or a year), im still stunned how the toxicology report states he was basically sober at the time of the attack with no drugs or hallucinagenics noted before he attacked. But again, im not sure if the hallucinagenics couod have affected his state of mind permanently.
The phone call between Austin and his dad is actually heart breaking. There was absolutely something wrong with him mentally. I cannot imagine waking up from insanity, coming back to clarity, and finding out you killed two people. Obviously my heart absolutely breaks just as hard for the victims. If only the people around Austin where more versed on the signs to look for and got him help sooner. This all could have been avoided. Painful all around.
I’ve been watching these type of documentaries and I always know which call / voice is fake or genuine . Austin tone sounded like he’s sad and scared not flat. I’m shocked how the narrator said otherwise
@@tine2835 Narrator said flat/monotone AT TIMES. People have made comments that they disagree with that as if he made it out that was the whole conversation tone but that's not what the narrator actually said. 'At times' and he's right, he did sound that way at times. He also sounded genuinely scared and everything else that's been mentioned.
@@jrod1591In some countries you can do that and force people into a mental health institution long term before they kill themselves and specially others. But in the US forget about that.
The last story about Susan Smith is unbelievably horrible. I could not sleep after watching this. I had to think about the horrors that the small boys had to suffer before their death. This crime is so evil it should be only punishable by the capital punishment. No mercy for that evil unhuman being.
I agree, this case was an out and out premeditated murder. By a woman who cared only for her self and her selfish desires. She does not have the right to be called Mom. I don’t buy the academic theories put forward by psychologists that her behavior has anything to do with her own childhood experiences. I would venture that she can remember how bad her experiences made her feel, the sadness, the pain, the feelings of I just don’t matter, feeling totally unloved including by her own mother. No one would visit that pain on their own children. Yes, I speak from experience but I would walk through fire to protect my children before anyone would harm a single hair on their precious heads. Keep the woman that bore them in jail forever. Rest in peace little Angels.
@@cherryblossom7848I can't have children. It breaks me every day, only for monsters like her to be blessed by them. Life is a sick cruel joke sometimes.
This story is tragic. I lost my son who developed schizo affective disorder late in life, last year. He didn’t threaten anyone but his delusions and paranoia about them were scary, shocking and well, devastating. I would worry for him and others. This is is just tragic. God bless Austin and those affected by this devastation
So sorry for your lose . can you tell me what age he was please. I'm asking because a senior citizen was diagnosed schizophrenic in his 70's! I thought this wasn't correct because of his age. Again Dear so sorry for your lost at any time in his life
Any Type Of Schizophrenia Is A Life Sentence In Itself. I Lost My Only Child To Schizophrenia, And Another Mother Lost Her Daughter As Well. The Illness Really Came On When My Son Was 17. Two Lives Ended When He Was 22 And She Was 24. It’s Incredibly Hard To Get Help For Them After They Are 18 Yrs Old. Mental Health Providers Cannot Talk To You About Their Mental Health. I Even Went And Tried To Talk To Law Enforcement About All The Crazy Things He Was Doing Including Serious Criminal Acts Right There In The Neighborhood And Warned Them That I Was Sure Someone Was Going To Get Killed. I Figured It Would More Than Likely Be Him Since He Seemed To Choose To Be Homeless And Not Work A Steady Job. The Girl Had Mental Illness As Well. My Son Spent 80% Of The Last Year Of His Life In Mental Hospitals, Always Being Brought In On “Direct Order” By Law Enforcement. Some Private Hospitals And At The County Psychiatric Center. He Met The Girl In A Mental Hospital And They Liked Each Other. So, Since He Was Homeless And She Had An Apartment, And They Got Released At The Same Time, She Invited Him To Come Stay With Her. They Left The Hospital Happy On A Friday, And They We’re Both Dead Sunday Morning By 8AM. There Was Violence Involved By Both Parties. I Had To Put Myself In Therapy 2 Years Before This Happened, And My Therapist And I Both Knew That His Behavior Had Already Turned Criminal And It Was Just A Matter Of A Shorter & Shorter Period Of Time Before He Would Get Himself Killed Or Kill Another Person. Of Coarse, It Killed My Soul To Get The News. However, Living With The Anxiety And Anticipation Of Knowing It Was Going To Happen Sooner & Sooner And There Wasn’t Anything More I Could Do To Prevent It From Happening Was Like A Slow Death For Me. I Developed Graves Disease From All Of The Stress I Was Going Through And Even Had To Have Surgery For What It Was Doing To My Body. I’ve Educated Myself In Every Way Possible About This Mental Illness. It CAN Show Up Seemingly Out Of Nowhere And Progress Very Rapidly. Accepting That This Mental Illness Is Just Part Of The Human Condition Is A Whole Lot Better Than Not Even Knowing He HAD Schizophrenia And Being So Afraid Of Him I Wouldn’t Let Him In My House The Last Time He Came By At 4AM. When He Called Me The Last Time From Yet Another Mental Hospital I Told Him If I Were Him I Would Work Diligently With My Doctors And The Medications They We’re Prescribing Until I Got It Figured Out And Could Start To Functioning Better For A Better Life That Would Work For Him. I Also Told Him That If He DIDN’T Do It, Something Was Going To Blow Up In His Face, And “That He Would Never See It Coming”. He Hung Up On Me, As Usual. THE END Came Five Days Later For Two Young Adults. I Always Pray For People With Mental Illness(s), And Their Family Members And Friends Because I Now Have Three Mental Illnesses Myself (Anxiety, Depression, And Insomnia; All Of Which I Have To Take RX For) And I’m On RX For My Auto-Immune Disease Because Of It. Prayers Of Peace 🕊For Your Mind & Your ❤️ !
That first case is so sad and frightening at the same time. I'm currently going through something kind of similar. My upstairs neighbor keeps having hallucinations of a woman inside his house who screams, laughs derisively, bangs on the walls and slams doors and he's latched onto the fact that it's either me, my mom or his upstairs neighbor's wife. I've come home at 1am once to find him sitting on the floor between the two doors of our apartment and a couple of days ago he knocked on our door in the morning to confront me and ask me to please "send the consciousness of the woman inside his house away". He said he would call the police and if nothing came from it he would find the person on the street and beat them. Needless to say, we're all scared. I recorded most of the conversation and sent it to his family because they haven't been taking it very seriously? They thought homeopathic treatment was going to make him better. It won't. Nevermind that I'm a psychologist and told them as much several times. But apparently that changed once they heard the recording. I guess it really makes a difference, hearing the voice of their own son/brother saying all those clearly delusional things instead of just hearing it from someone else. Regardless, I am ready to go to the police if they don't tell me he's been institutionalized because I've been threatened twice at this point. Might just link them this video too.
Push until you feel safe. No one took us serious even though our whole family told our neighbors family, therapist and police that there was REAL danger- until she broke into our house in the middle of the night with weapons and tried to kill my mom. We ended up having to move and we lost everything because of it. Keep seeking help and pushing his family, please.
Homeopathic remedies for mental health are always bs. Honestly, please go to the police anyway to make sure they do something and not just move him and lie to keep you happy.
I would seriously consider moving the eff out of there. Unless they have a police officer watching your place or offer some sort of protection I would be so scared. I’m so sorry you are going through this - I hope you find a safe and quick solution to this problem as soon as it is possible. I’m sure the solution is not so cut & dry.
I will never forget Tim Bosma's wife saying: "It was just a TRUCK!!!" The raw specter of emotions in her voice made me sob. My God. I still get chills and tears in my eyes remembering that. The unbearable pain suffered by an entire family, just because a psychopath felt like committing a thrill kill for the fun and excitement of it. Millard didn't need the truck or the money. He would never have stopped if he hadn't been caught.
They could have caught him before that man was murdered. Due to sh*tty detective work it didn't happen. Dellens gf missing then a few months later his dad "kiills" himself...I would have at least questioned it.
Yet she was the moron who made Tim doubt his hesitation and go for a ride along with two random strangers. Easily could’ve assured him his uneasy feelings were right, yet she only cared about the truck in that moment. 😊🤗
@@lp1292 How very sympathetic of you to say. We weren’t there to see how trustworthy they appeared, we don’t know what exactly was said, we essentially know nothing about it, and yet you jump to conclusions like that? I hope you’re trolling, but if not, I feel compelled to tell you, that views like those you just expressed, make this world soooo much more horrible than it has to be, and I sincerely hope you get better.
@@swagnusmcduck7566 You need to go outside, I’m being 110% serious. When two random strangers walk out of no where to “test drive” your vehicle you should immediately decline. Have you learned anything in life? The fact his wife was more concerned with losing the truck shows how little common sense they both had. Even doing simple Craigslist deals I always have my concealed on me. Red flags are waving and they were looking the other way. Could’ve been completely avoided had they relied on their instincts not financial worries.
I live in Ancaster, and I remember seeing her on the news, crying and begging for his return. I have always been scared of selling or buying anything online after this incident.
I heard about the first case with Austin and it has always made me sad. A boy who did well and had his life ahead of him in athletics and academics… with the amount of force police had to use to subdue him, I truly think he wasn’t aware of his actions and under psychosis. He sounds so lifeless in the phone call with his dad too, like he doesn’t truly understand what he did and is just empty.. I hope in the future he can get the help he needs and get himself on medication.. I’m not sure why the mother wouldn’t take him to the hospital or something after she found him drinking oil after he’d walked all the way home. Overall, just unfortunate for him and terrible for the lovely couple who lost their lives.
Rudy Eugene basically did the same thing yet the cops shot him dead. He was black tho and Austin is white so its not surprising the cops simply pulled him off instead of shooting him
You can't force someone to go to the hospital just because you're their mom. And he was also clearly delusional so who knows what he would have done to her if she tried something. She did the right thing in calling the police.
Psilocybin and alpha-PVP are well known for causing delusions and unnatural strength and for possibly leaving lasting mental impairment effects afterwards and are notoriously hard to detect due to being out of your system in 15 hours or less. The very drugs he rapped about using.
Agree or disagree, facts are this is America. Specifically florida. With 2 dead bodies. He will do the rest of his life in prison, 100% no doubt about it.
Listening to the phone call between Austin & his Dad has given me a whole new perspective on this case. The fear in Austin's face really shook me. His Dad is a strong brave man.
I've heard this case covered multiple times and the one thing I seem to always take away from it is that both his parents, particularly his father, completely dropped the ball in realising their son needed urgent psychiatric help. Even the phone call to 911 from his mother she seems way too calm. If my son had come home and started drinking cooking oil I wouldn't just be taking him back to a restaurant, I'd be taking him straight to hospital. A true crime TH-camr named Joshua Miles did an amazing video on this case and an extensive part of the story was focused on Austin's increasingly bizarre behaviour leading up to the crime. The way this kid began to unravel bit by bit, day by day, was described in chilling detail. It was like a bird's-eye view into the mind of someone who was literally losing his mind. I was stunned that all of his family members were witnesses to this but didn't seem to think anything was really all that wrong! Just baffling.
I've come to realize that some ppl don't think things could or would happen to them. Some ppl don't know of the evil In the world as some don't know the good. This is like a scary movie they probably never imagined could become your reality IDK
You can't admit someone, even your child, to a mental institution against their will unless they are overtly homicidal or suicidal. Doesn't matter how weird someone is acting, unless they are threatening others or themselves you can't commit them against their will. So when you blame the parents for not doing something, what exactly were they supposed to do?
As someone with bipolar schizophrenia, hearing that phone call between Austin and his dad just broke me a little bit. I remember having similar conversations with my mom when I was in the psych ward. It’s a terrifying experience, losing bits of yourself until you can’t recognize yourself anymore. I’m so grateful that I got the help I needed early and quick. Poor Austin.
@@vanillameringues that's a danger to society and signs of bipolar I been in mental health counseling all my life just for my anger issues so don't tell me nun u think u know cause u wanna show some sympathy if that's the case show sympathy to all killers and serial killers 💯💯
@🍙chái ☆彡 did u just compare depressed people to schizophrenia...theirs certain mental illnesses that don't need to be in society. U can treat depression and get over it people be born with schizophrenia thats a life long treatment u don't just hand over medication nd talk to a couple counselors and schizophrenia goes away. I understand y'all have sympathy for people with mental illnesses but theirs just some things that shouldn't be in society . 90% serial killers had some wild ass mental illness that they diagnosed them with not depression...
Yea something is not right. He might be a one at first, but getting her pregnant…I don’t think he could continue to be that after doing such a thing…I don’t know.
Austin's struggle, I had gone into psychosis once from stress and insomnia, went crazy, hallucinated, was dangerous to myself and others. He googled about sleep, I have no doubt insomnia had a part in this. I have gone into psychosis by not having enough potassium and magnesium and drinking a lot of alcohol. He rapped about shrooms, recreational use of psychedelics can throw a person into psychosis and psychedelics often aren't tested for or won't show up after a period of time. I'm not schizophrenic, but I have lost my mind from the the things I mentioned above. After a break, being put on medication, voice became monotone and couldn't think quickly, it took months to recover from the episodes every time. Writing this to bring awareness, pay attention to your sleep, get sleep, pay attention to the foods you eat, deficiency affects mental health, careful with substances, they probably seem small but can change your entire life and others lives, and getting a misdiagnosis is also damaging, get the medicine when you know it's what you need, but the issues could be from other things and requires a different medication, treatment or lifestyle change. When you're gone, you're capable of anything like Austin.
You’re describing what usually accompanies the overuse of methamphetamines, be it crystal meth off the streets, or prescription drugs like Adderall. Those symptoms, no sleep, vitamin and nutrient deficiency, do not come on naturally and just ho away with time unless induced by some sort of chemical intake.
@@omarsyed7345 It took it's toll and took months to get my energy back, had brain fog for a while. Had to try to make lifestyle changes, hard to stick with them, but no one's perfect. I also got off medicine for a misdiagnosis (bipolar and it's actually PMDD) taking what is helping me now, so I'm less likely to struggle with insomnia or turn to alcohol to cope and continue to eat healthier the best I can after meeting with a dietitian who helped come up with a plan for PMDD and hypothyroidism (that worsened depression). Getting those in better in control, I have better control over BPD symptoms (would worsen from PMDD). It's been a lot of work. I am doing much better than I have in years, thank you for asking!
My stepson has schizophrenia/Schizoaffective disorder. It’s so sad. His started mildly manifesting at 20, but he was diagnosed with severe disorder at 22. Thankfully he’s never hurt anyone, but he was really bad. Thankfully, he’s in a housing facility right now and he’s doing great. He’s been in there over a year. He’s fairly normal now. He can carry conversations, whereas before he would talk complete and utter nonsense. Such a sad disorder. It’s heartbreaking.
I’ve suffered from a psychotic break before and it is the scariest thing coming back out of it. I really hope Austin is getting the mental care he needs. It’s so, so very difficult trying to get yourself out of that place. I hope the families of the victims have found their peace, and that Austin has found peace as well 🤍 I also hope your stepson has found peace, sending much love from somebody who has also suffered from a debilitating mental state 🫂
The most terrifying thing about these events is that something similar could befall any one of us. Never assume anything about someone else's state of mind.
Thanks. Your comment has prodded me to take further action on what could be a deadly situation. I'll be using your adage, "never assume anything about someone else's state of mind", to inform (and warn) friends and family. That said, I'm not sure that everyone will be safe. Sometimes, shit happens...
@@domoetker3967 they meant that anyone you see or meet could be about to have a mental break dummy. Stop taking offense for no other reason than to be offended.
Is anyone else disturbed by the fact that Dellens girlfriend Christina knew about two of the murders, helped cover them up and only served 3 months. Hopefully she is avenged eventually. How could the families find solace knowing she is out there free?!
Right?! At a minimum she was an accomplice for 2 murders and I don’t believe she didn’t know anything about the 3rd or about all the robberies and other more petty crimes. She is easily as evil as the other 2 and got off with barely a slap on the wrist!
@@-angeldustit’s not female privilege. in another case on this channel, a boy helped lure a girl to her death at the hands of his friend, witnessed her murder, and helped cover up it up and he served no time, didn’t even get probation. not to mention the men with extensive histories of violent crimes who only get probation. or the thousands of men who get away with rape every single day. the justice system is broken no matter what sex you are.
I’ve listened to a few documentaries about Austin, and I have nothing but pity for him, his family, and the innocent victims of his madness. He wasn’t in any more control of his actions than we were.
The hardest part of hallucinations isn't being able to discern reality from what isn't real. It's being too tired having to remind yourself that something isn't real. You can usually tell by the body language of others or certain features of what you see that it can be dismissed. But having to do that all the time is what leads to breakdowns. Most learn coping mechanisms to vent or process the stress, but it's so sad and even scary when you see people fail to properly handle those things and destroy people's lives.
I know what you mean about things that you'd swear are real, but they're not. I went through a time when my body had adapted to my dose of medication. Thankfully with help and my dosage upped I'm doing much better. And I'm more aware of the symptoms when I need my dosage upped again.
@@victoriawilliams2786 I had to make serious sacrifices going off medication, but I'm glad you're in a stable place while taking it. Try counseling and any other alternative so you don't have to keep dealing with those awful side effects. Good relationships go alot farther than you'd realize dealing with these things.
@@thefoilguy You're absolutely right. I do counseling and talk with my specific medication Dr. on the regular. Between her and my bff we make sure I'm not sliding. I'm really glad that you are doing well! I hope things stay positive for you. Please accept a virtual hug from an internet stranger 🤗
@@bobthetitanic Friends have recommended that but it can get discouraging. It's good he has found a coping mechanism that works. Some people do better when they have to remind themselves/think about it the least.
I'll never understand this. I was severely abused as a kid, and had no childhood to speak of. When i had children, I absolutely delighted in everything about them. They both saved my life and woke me up from a deep depression. I'd argue that, if you have a soul at all, once you know what being hurt feels like, you want to save every single soul you encounter from feeling anything close to this. Susan is a malignant narcissist and nothing will ever change my mind about that.
After being admitted to a mental hospital on a 72 hour hold, I spent time with a young man there who reminds me a lot of Austin. Schizophrenia is so so scary for the person suffering from it, and I feel awful for him and the couple who had to face the wrath of his episode. He’s absolutely heart broken in the call with his dad. The internal demons he had to fight every day without help. I hope he gets what he needs, and I hope the couples family is doing well after the tragic events. I feel for everyone involved
I don’t doubt the kid had some typa schiz but the kid was taking steroids as well and probably a lot. You know steroids don’t let you sleep and you get alot of roid rage for it too.
I had a very good friend who had schizophrenia and was a recovering herion addict. He was a good guy but would hear voices and see people. He would text me and ask if he could call me, he would be thinking someone was trying to get him and barricade himself in his apartment and grab a knife. It was completely different than anything I’ve faced before. Sadly he was in some trouble and the court ordered in patient rehab. So he figured he would party one more time. Sadly he od’d on 9/10/23. His “h” was laced with fentanyl. A girl was arrested for it.
Not sure why the narrator didn’t cover this, but this is the case that made international news about some guy on bath salts eating peoples faces off. This was just a murderous monster on drugs that deserves 0 sympathy.
Austen’s story makes me so sad. He clearly was having a mental health crisis that wasn’t caught soon enough. It’s an absolute tragedy that it resulted in the death of that couple. I really hope Austen gets the help he clearly needs and doesn’t become hopelessly lost in the broken criminal system. I also hope that the couples families finds peace in their devastating loss.
I have suffered with delusions and believe me it is SO SO real. Unless you've experienced it you'll never understand how logical and rational you believe you're behaving 😩
Am I the only one weirded out by the “good job not answering questions”? I’m sorry but if that happened to my child I’d want me and the police to know everything
@@flan6449 Everything you say can and will be used against you in court, It doesn't matter if you're innocent or guilty, it's never a good idea to talk to the police. At least that's what I think his father was thinking at the moment.
@@flan6449 the not answering question thing.... there's a reason...he very CLEARLY needs help a mental facility....answering a bunch of questions to detectives can be used to say that he is perfectly sane...the system is very flawed and will use literally anything against you..the kid needs real mental help.. not jail...no I'm not condoning what he did it's fucked up... but come on...he was eating somebody....did not feel a taser...did not give a crap about a dog biting the shit out of him..did not care about 4 cops kicking the crap out of him...he CLEARLY CLEARLY was having a serious psychotic episode.
Wow what an amazing dad Wade is. I remember being locking up when I turned 18 and I wish a had a dad like that, one I could talk to and communicate with. Unfortunately I did not and I was in and outta of prison until I turned 28 and I haven't been back since. Had a lot to do with having an abisive dad instead of a loving and caring one. My prayers are with you Austin and Wade your an amazing father!!!
i'm glad to hear you've turned your life around & i hope you're doing well now! having a loving father is so important, especially to a young boy. if their father is cold or abusive, it warps their perception of what being a "man" is.
I find it hard to believe that Austin changed all of a sudden. I think his parents missed crucial signs throughout his life that only compounded over the years and culminated on that horrific day.
If you look deeper into the case his “acting crazy” and his delusions, auditory hallucinations, visual hallucinations, psychosis and other issues weren’t something new at all and had been going on for a year or more in many different ways but the day & into the night of the incident was when it all exploded in their faces and made them realize they should have gotten him help much sooner. The fact that the prosecution agreed he was legally insane at the time of the incident and didn’t fight it with a trial says a lot about how sick he really was. I’ve seen a lot of trials where people say they were insane. I’ve seen only 1 where I actually believed they were legally insane without a doubt and a couple where I wasn’t 100% sure but it was likely. In all those cases the prosecution took it to trial and forced the defense to prove it. I was shocked when they basically just agreed to let him go to a mental health facility and didn’t fight it in this case. Unfortunately, these poor strangers & their families and friends are the ones who are paying the largest price for them thinking he would grow out of it or something.
#3 I was in high school when this happened. I remember how so many of us were shocked when we found out that it was the mother that killed her children. It was during a time where that idea was still very new. I just remember seeing adults around me just completely surprised that it was her and she could do what she did. It was definitely a shift I think I saw in investigations of children missing over or harmed by parents who weren't initially suspects at all. But now it's the first go to to eliminate suspects. Great episode EWU. 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻
What ideal thing to do? The only thing that Susan did is blame it on an strange black guy. It was the ideal thought at that time and it was sad when she said this then it was infuriating 😠 That story she told hurt many!
@@brendaleary9281 oh yeah. But she said was definitely racist. I think how she hurt the kids hurt people the most. She said it was quick but I remember the investigators at the time did it demonstration with the car to see how long it would take. It took several several minutes the car to sink. 😓 Just beyond cruel.
@@dmreddragon6 People uncomfortable saying this too! And it still goes on. Karen in NY park. Help Help there's a black man threatening me and my dog, as she swing the shit out of the dog. Then we HEAR and SEE say Help!!! He's coming at us right now! The man hasn't moved. At least those that think that way still are getting arrested or at least fired 😒 when she wanted the police to coming shooting and ask questions later 😠
the phone call with austin and his dad is so upsetting yet slightly heartwarming. Austins father was so calm with him, and polite just telling him about the news, the weather and how he was going to get him out of prison. The narrator says Austins voice is flat, however i honestly feel like he is scared or upset. His voice sounds shaky, and goes high pitched at points,indicating some clear emotion. I hope that Austin, his family and everyone else mentioned in this video are doing well.
@@twotatanka5396 I don't. People always lie about tragedies because they crave attention and want to make it about themselves. I knew a guy who said he was supposed to be inside the world trade center on 9/11. He's now in jail for running a ponzi scheme.
The father of Austin is the example of unconditional love!!! He knows he’s son has done wrong but is still there for him!!!! I’m so glad I’m not in his shoes, but being a mother of 3, I get where he is coming from, right or wrong, I get it!
He sounds like he's actually mentally disturbed. He really needs his family. Sad situation for everyone especially the victims and their loved ones. How do you reconcile a family's need for justice with the fact that the man who killed them was seriously mentally ill? :(
@@kelleh711 imagine speaking about anxiety and acceptance and your mother calls it 'disgusting'. Seems like there were some parent issues in his life to me.
Austins story was sad. He did a horrible crime. But he knows he messed up, you can tell he deeply regrets it. His father was so sweet. I am glad Austin has his dad. I hope Austin is getting help.
@Italian Traditional Catholic you don't get to police how people talk or what they say. There may be a god in heaven for you but maybe not for others. You need to mind your business.
My brother is schizophrenic. It was horrible trying to get him help. He was violent toward my dad and all they would do was a 72 hour hold. After the hold they would let him go. This happened several times within a year. There were a few times he would sign him self out and we would have to track him down because we had no clue where he was. He was 20 so the hospital was not allowed to tell us anything. It was a scary time for my family and it was hard seeing my brother like that. I don’t think people realize how hard it is to get someone help in that state. Especially an adult. You can’t force someone to stay in treatment, we were told basically until he does something illegal they can’t keep him over the 72 hours involuntary. Luckily after several 72 hour holds my brother finally was well enough to realize he needed help and voluntarily stayed. He is still not the same but much much better.
The phone call with Austin , he sounded very drained yes but you could tell he was distressed & most likely scared maybe even remorseful , let’s not forget his organs were just failing not long ago also so I’m sure he was feeling exhausted, hope he gets help & I hope the victims family finds peace.
This boy was giving off signs and symptoms of schizophrenia and was the right age for people who have a predisposition to start reacting to their illness.
austin definitely sounded scared on the phone with his dad and like he was on the verge on tears/a breakdown. this poor boy needed help sooner and maybe he wouldn’t have done what he did. don’t get me wrong, what he did was horrid and no lives should’ve been lost, but truly i don’t think there was anything he could’ve done in that state of mind to talk himself out of what he was doing. rip to the stevens, and i hope austin is getting the help that he needs while serving his sentence. it’s also admirable that his dad is so comforting and loving despite the terrible thing he did, he knows his son was not himself and that he was acting extremely out of character. my heart goes out to both families, this is just overall really heartbreaking
He supposed to be comforting that's his son but you reverse it and another demon possessed person like Austin killed Austin and his sister and the dad would want either life in prison without the possibility of parole or the death penalty.
I watch ur channel al the time , but it’s so crazy hearing the Canadian stories.. I live in the same city as Tim and I remember this happening in real time.
Austin on phone with his dad sounds to me, like he's trying not to cry, and is very scared. What a good dad he has, assuring him he won't be left on his own and his family will do everything they can for him.
there were a lot of signs they dropped the ball on.he was patrolling the house all night for demons,etc.they should've taken action way before the oil drinking episode.
Case 3 reminded me of Diane Downs, who attempted to kill her children (one died) because her lover didn't want to be a father; (he had nothing to do with it; she was a homicidal sociopath) the movie Small Sacrifices with Farrah Fawcett does a pretty good job in explaining how her twisted mind worked; one of Farrah's best performances ever.
This story in particular is so infuriating. Why not just give the father 100% custody of the children if you don't want them. I truly don't understand it
Their is a lot of controversy with Diane as they say her husband kept getting her pregnant over and over again and didn't believe in contraception or abortion etc. People believe she had a mental break and kept trying to reach out but her husband didn't believe in medication if believe correctly. They say postpartum/postnatal depression was the main factor. So hard when it comes to children as they should be protected by their parents who they trust with their very lives only to be killed by them...just heartbreaking. I'm hoping I haven't confused these two cases though.
My sister in law and her husband have always sat in their garage. People would stop and visit with them all year round. They have heat, a TV and chairs for people ❤
That call between the father and son was heartbreaking. I have a brother who’s schizophrenic and I’ve heard that conversation so many times over the years. Very sad and painful memories.
Austin's story is so upsetting... gives me such mixed feelings. I really believe there was something wrong with him, whether he was on drugs or was sick, idk (thc didn't cause these things) but I really believe he didn't plan this, he didn't choose to do these things in his right mind, and I DO believe that he has remorse and IS sorry that he did these things. But he still needs to face consequences. I really hope he gets the help he needs. My heart goes out to his family and obviously to the victims and their family too. This is just a sad story for everyone involved. 😔
Cannabis advocate here, THC can and will trigger mental health problems in people with underlying mental health issues such as schizophrenia and alzheimers. But that's 10% of people mostly. But there always tends to be other drugs mixed in such as Steroids, Coke and Benzos
I have seen people with schizophrenia have issues when they smoke weed, my roommate is one, and I've seen people freak out while smoking weed for other reasons too, but NEVER once have I even heard of someone becoming violent to the point of eating someone's face from just marijuana. However, I don't even think they found anything in this guy's system if I remember correctly. However, idk if they'd be able to find certain psychedelics which I believe totally could cause someone to freak out to this level, but I don't believe for a second this was due to THC. But more than anything else, I really believe his mental health was the problem.
schizophrenia and hallucinations are scary. 2 people i knew had it and it was very sad to see them spiral and come up with these weird things and sometimes be hostile. theres nothing you can do to get through to them. i have had a paranoia problem set off by meth and one time i hallucinated all these demons and a man looking at me through the window. i got a knife and was going to see if someone was there. i didn't have many visual hallucinations after that night but i would hear people saying things about me when they were talking about something completely different or think i was being poisoned for some weird reason. luckily it seems to be mostly gone now because i havent done drugs in a long time but i feel like if i had to live like that all the time i probably would've wanted to just die.
I had a similar experience with amphetamine that finally went away a few after I stopped using. I kept hearing voices telling me to hurt my mom. I recognized that they were in my head and didn't listen but they still wouldn't stop. But yeah that shit is scary, I couldn't imagine having to live like that every day
I been waiting on another disturbing story does that make me weird .? EWU crew thanks again for the great detail stories always keeps me on the end of my seat 💺.
I remember hearing about Austin’s crime on the news. Schizophrenia is a genuinely terrifying disorder and, while I don’t condone what Austin did, I do feel empathy for him and for others that struggle with it.
When I was 21 only drug I was on was weed I stayed up for 3 to 4 days and started loosing my mind I was at my gf house at the time and that’s when my delusions hit. Her mom had a weird bf that was there we were laying in bed she goes in the bathroom and my mind was going I thought she was in the bathroom with the bf I was racing snapped out left. I worked at a hospital overnight transporting patient I went to work had a mental breakdown at work seeing things thinking weird things starting crying. Got brought into an office and got 302 into the hospital I was working at in the physc section. There are things I don’t remember I’m awake but blacked out but when he googled do you need sleep. Most likely that was what caused it.
@@Goldensimba815 I’m so sorry you went through that man, that’s awful! But yeah, brains can’t go a long time without sleep without any long term consequences.
Susan Smith : “The thing that hurts me the most is that people think I killed my children over a man…” No Susan, the thing that SHOULD hurt you the most is that your children died a horrible and painful death at your own hands. She’s more concerned about how she appears to others. She should feel extreme guilt which in turn should cause mental and physical anguish throughout the days of her life.
As soon as, somebody starts living her life for friends the results are often what we are watching here. It's a big mistake to live your life for people. Once you do that, you become someone with no self-esteem, no values and no personality.
She has felt guilt about her actions her whole life. She has cared about how shes percieved by others her whole life. No one gave a shit to ending her suffering since childhood. You go one of two ways being raised like that: overly empathetic and compassionate or thinking the consequences you suffer are greater than what anyone else in the same scenario experience. Not defending her, but youre expecting her to have a response to her actions as if shes like the rest of us...she isnt. The expectation for her to have any common feelings of regret, shame etc shouldnt be apparent. Another layer of tragedy to an event like this
The Tim Bosma case is just a sad case all around. This happened in my hometown and it was very sad that this happened. A lot of people are wary about selling their cars online and have a second person always coming with them. Now if they meet in a public place with the vehicle as long as it’s running. People don’t take the chance of selling a car that’s not worth selling and I rather scrap it then have something like this happen again. I feel for the Bosma family and I really hope that they’re doing all right.
Even donating a car is an option. My last car completely died and rather than trying to sell it for whatever I could get, I donated it to NPR. A company picks it up and that was it.
I still remember Susan's trial and memorials for her babies as a young adult and being sickened. Even before having kids I could never understand how anyone hurts their kids. I still don't understand and now one of my friends is in prison for the death of his son but everything points to the MOTHER. I swear she's Casey Anthony 2.0. I need someone to look into this!!
Where is the case being prosecuted? Do you feel comfortable sharing their names; mother, father, and child? I would love to try to do some research into their case but would need all of that at a minimum.
@@pinkfluffydino8217this case was in the early 90’s. Susan Smith claimed a black man carjacked her and took off w her sons. She and husband-who had NOTHING TO DO WITH IT-went on tv for 8 days when she confessed. She let the car roll into a lake w her 2 sons, 3yo Alex and 14mo Michael, strapped in their car seats.
Austin’s story is so sad. I know schizophrenia onset can be rapid, but it’s so important to try and get people help as soon as they start acting very out of character. My brother was schizophrenic. He had been extremely violent and mean to me most of our childhood and into early adulthood. Once he was diagnosed I was hopeful it would help him get back on track with meds and therapy. Unfortunately that was no the case, and I cut ties because I was afraid of him and exhausted of getting my ass kicked for no reason other than his violent whims. What always strikes me about Austin’s case is I was always so afraid my brother was going to kill me, my parents, or strangers. He had a high IQ and a god complex, and I felt him capable of it. It sounds terrible, but I felt indescribable relief when he finally successfully un alived himself.
I had to skip the first one, which was a local event, though we have many insane events happening down here, this one really got me. His family should've gotten him help. I fully place the blame on his parents. They knew something was going on and chose to ignore it. If they got him help, maybe Austin would have graduated from college and the other family wouldn't have been shattered. Just seeing the difference in Austin's appearance from his TH-cam videos to the day the attacks happened would've been enough to cause me concern if I was related. His best friend's mother went to his mother saying he was seeing and hearing things, and they did nothing but keep him locked out in the garage at night. When all this info came out his parents should've been arrested, parents can get arrested if their child secretly has a party at their house, but their child goes through this and nothing? The mother got what she wanted, her son locked away where she can now sleep at night with no concerns of him hurting them. You know it was a full-fledged psychotic episode, not being faked, when the cops were tasering him and kicking him in the head to get him off Michelle, and he didn't flinch.
Although I've heard of all these cases, EWU just does such an awesome job and gives great details. I did learn a few details about the Dellen case that I never knew.. great job EWU as always!
@@chelseyabarney7303 can you cite a source? I’ve tried looking for this information and can’t find it. I did find a quote similar to the one you used, and I saw that he was kicked in the head and had a K9 mangle his arm. He wasn’t severely beaten, and the quote wasn’t spot on with what you said from what I could find.
The call sounded more like Austin was on the verge of crying & scared rather than monotone. You can clearly tell he wasn't in control of himself & how he was confused, scared of what he was becoming, I hope the best for the victim's family & for Austin along with his family as well.
It was crazy to see the Tim Bosma case aired! This is 30 mins from my hometown and it rocked multiple communities. I also refuse to buy/sell from anyone online because of it. To close to home! Thank you for showing Canadian stories, we do have some crazy serial killers here too!!
The final case is shockingly similar to the case of Diane Downs. A mother who shot her 3 children in her car while on a back road, then claimed that a man attacked them when she had stopped the car and shot her children and her (she was shot in the arm, each of her kids in the chest, she then drove at 5mph to the hospital trying to wait for her children to die, but luckily 2 of her children pulled through despite her disgusting actions). She shot them because she was romantically involved with a man who didn't want children, after she had repeatedly cheated on/divorced with the parent of her 3 children. She was also a narcissist and a manipulator who slept with people to get her way. Both were also abused as children, then exhibited promiscuous behavior as young adults, before developing a craving for constant attention and committing atrocities to try to get it.
NotMyTH-camCannel have you seen the interview Diane Downs did where she was talking about watching her daughter as the blood poured out of her mouth? She says it so nonchalantly as if she's talking about the weather. Then she says people say I'm lucky I lived, but I don't feel so lucky. I haven't been able to tie my shoes in 3 months. Bc of her gunshot wound in her arm. Sad. And sickening 😡
@@miranda27874 Lilely, it's a control issue or perhaps even a form of revenge. People like Diane don't think about what's best for others, only what they want and the fastest way to get it.
I never ever got over the last case. Never. The police who pulled those babies out were sobbing. I couldn’t get my head around it. RIP BEAUTIFUL ANGELS 👼🏻
I remember the Tim Bosma case soo well. Happened when I was in high school. I remember how this was all everyone was talking about. I don’t remember anything like this ever happening in my city. It’s so devastating. Tim’s “remains” were found just down the street from my school.
Oh man the phone call with Austin & his father, that’s genuinely heartbreaking. It’s obvious something happened mentally, that he wasn’t in control of himself. I know 2 people died, horrifically, but I hope Austin & his family don’t just become more damage, sometimes you have to see past the brutality & understand there’s more to it & not just condemn more lives.
Hi, schizophrenic here. It's important to remember that it's not just schizophrenia that can cause mental problems. Bipolar disorder, and severe depression also have psychotic components that can cause breaks like that. Drug and steroid use can exacerbate (and even cause it) it as well. Most of us aren't violent, either. I never had delusions of hurting anyone.
this is unrelated to any of the cases that you mentioned but, i really really appreciate how you include warning signs of perpetrators, signs victims are struggling etc, possible symptoms of mental health issues, covering multiple topics, remaining respectful to victims and their family and friends, and doing upstanding and thorough research in your videos. your viewers appreciate you! keep it up EWU :)
My dad sold his truck once. A house full of daughters freaking out he was going alone. We all went with him. Hammers, crowbar and tools in hand. When we got there. The other people started coming out. Four other guys coming out of their car. So we opened our doors too. They saw we were full too. And they went back in the car. I'm not positive something bad was going to happen. But I was happy we went with him.
It's a very strange case. I'm so sorry for that poor innocent couple that Austin attcked. Thier poor family... on the same token. The recorded phone call to Austin from his Dad is heart wrenching.
i feel bad for Tom , he told her how he really felt when he realized that she is taking things seriously. He must blame himself but it’s not his fault she could have given the children to their father and live her life as she wants but instead chose to do this:(.
I wish she would’ve given them to him or even just ditched them at a hospital. The image of their tiny panicked faces in the sinking car just makes me so sad
"I don't want to be with you because people do horrible things in this world, and I don't want to see it happen to your, or our, children" - Woman then proceeds to drown and murder her own children. That guys heart must be shattered. It's his literal nightmare come to reality, possibly by his own words (though not intended)
The scariest thing about Austin's case, is that when the officers arrived at the scene. Austin yelled at them to shoot him. Saying "kill me now! Can't you see I'm eating humans"? Crazy.
I am so so incredibly sorry for victims of violence ALWAYS. I am genuinely heartbroken and literally cried for poor, poor Austin tho. He was very obviously criminally insane and he truly does not belong in prison. He is one of very few people who does. The pain, fear, and child like way he was speaking to his dad was heart wrenching. 💔 I truly hope that he can get some much needed help, and somehow create a positive life for himself inside of whatever institution he's going to be spending the rest of his life in.
@@AMK544 Yeah let's just ignore the real toxicology and science, that was done by real professionals. It's always so much more accurate to just make it up in your own imagination, and base everything on your own ignorant emotional responses, am I right? I mean you a nobody who's only ever watched a documentary about the case, ya you are the one that is super smart, and knows what happened. Who needs a literal toxicology report anyway. 😂🤡 Great job rando person on the internet 👏 you and your incredible mental capacity has struck again! What would we do without you.
The last one with the boys in the lake was a town over from where i grew up. My aunt would take us kids toy shopping everyweekend for YEARS just to drive them to that lake and leave them on the memorial for them. So sad😢
Austins case is one of many few that I actually feel for the murderer, mental health is absolutely no joke and when it comes to these ones where you can tell they're feeling guilt and remorse because they have no idea why they did it especially like where is schizophrenia and they're hallucinating, he sounded scared of what he did and what he's capable of and that's actually sad
That first story is fu&@ing insane when you listen to the details. There is a video where the cop who arrived on the scene describes everything. The dog would latch on and he would rip his arm out it’s mouth . Insane .
Watched a ton of these videos and this dude Austin is the only one I watched I felt sorry for. I got a full list of mental issues myself that's why I try to stay away from anyone. The thing I hate more than anything is when people try to use mental issues to hate on or hurt others.
Not sure why the narrator didn’t cover this crucial aspect of the story, but the dude was on bath salts. Don’t believe this piece of propaganda. He isn’t delusional. He isn’t schizophrenic. He was a massive drug user on a rampage and deserves zero sympathy.
It’s unfortunate because people do fake mental illness for attention or to escape responsibility. It isn’t fair to those with real mental health issues and that’s why it’s hard to get people to take it seriously.
@@bigmona2741 makes it damn near impossible to get approved for disability as well. I have a cousin that's "shy". Shy stands for "she would rather spend all day in a casino than ever work a day in her life"
I do not for the life of me understand what on earth could of happened to Austin.. This case here in Florida is still so damn confusing because he came off to EVERYONE as an amazing and great kid and he just went straight psychotic break.. I would love to read his case files.. It's at the right age range when schizophrenia starts, paranoid along with hallucinations... I honestly believe he doesn't remember or knows what and why.. Watching him in the videos talking on the phone I know he's terrified..
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The phone call with Austin and his dad to sounded like Austin was genuinely scared. The narrator said he sounded flat and monotone and perhaps there was some of that but he had to be absolutely exhausted due to his behavior and undiagnosed mental status. It’s clear he didn’t feel himself and didn’t know why. Questioning yourself that way plus the manic feelings of grandeur is terribly exhausting. I felt really sad listening to that phone call. He sounded like a child wanting to be reassured and comforted by his dad 🥺
Thats exactly what i heard!!! A scared young man with extreme mental health problems!!! Im sure the steroids exacerbated his mental health!
I am heart broken for the murdered couple’s family that is for sure!! I am also so extremely sad for Austin and his family. It is clear this is a mental psychotic break from reality. His parents tried to help. Just an awful tragedy. 💔
I agree.
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He sounded completely broken.
I feel the need to research this. I wonder if there is a support group for him and his family. I cant get that phone call out of my head….💔🥺
Case #1. We've lived with the onset of schizophrenia with our son. It was very scary for us to observe, and experience, how he changed. Fortunately he was evaluated in a psychiatric hospital over a period of three months and has been on antipsychotics for three years. His behaviour gets weird at times, but nothing remotely close to what it was. All we can do is support him and ensure he stays medicated to protect society and himself.
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Yea definitely a problem. Might want to go ahead and lock him up before something bad happens
@@tonyotto5988 I could never do that to him, even if I could afford it. He's heavily medicated and hasn't had any episodes since going on the meds. And he actually never leaves home, by choice. Apparently the biggest problem comes in if they start feeling better because of the meds, go off the meds, become psychotic, go on the meds, go off etc and every time they go off they are more psychotic than before. Also drinking and drugs are a total no no. We're over 65 so if anything happens to us he may need to be institutionalised. Whole thing makes me so sad.
@@marionfriedenthal7352 it's true it is sad and eventually if something happens you and your husband he would have to be institutionalized before something bad happens to somebody else or himself. Not saying he's a bad guy because you could be the coolest guy in the world it's a tragic situation
make sure he takes his meds, stays away from horror movies, violence, bad crowds and other anxiety inducing things.
depression is also a gateway to manic episodes. Stay strong, guardians of mentally ill patients never get commended, but know that there are people out there who has a strong idea of what you're going through, and those people commend you for your bravery and perseverance. God bless your family and make it easier for you
Update to the Austin case for those interested: Austin was found not guilty by reason of mental insanity in November 2022 after a judge accepted his plea and he is set to be placed in a secure mental health facility.
It’s a shame he wasn’t helped sooner
Fake news he is still on prison greetz
He better be. My mom was working at a psychiatrist office and I was doing carpentry work there and known this guy for 20 years his son tried to cut his arm off and beat his father with it. He's currently in the hospital thank God because he was going to kill his father in my mom about 2 weeks ago. That is so scary I love my mom
Thank you for posting this
Slap on the wrist.
My father had a psychotic break and it is the worst thing I've ever seen. One day he was a strong, hardworking, great father and husband and the next he said he had a worm in his brain, didn't know who we were, tried choking my brother, broke every single thing in our house, and jumped off of an electrical tower. I have lived through a horror movie and I feel for all of these people and hope they can find peace in their lives
Sorry this happened to you and your family. How is your dad now
@@vegas9440 he jumped off a 200 foot electrical tower he didn't live
@@kroom7k536 🥺😞
@@kroom7k536 sorry
@@vegas9440bruh what a question.
The call between Austin’s dad and him is just heartbreaking..
I can’t imagine my son going through something like that.
It’s a beautiful thing that his father still supports and loves his son and wants to help him.
I would want to get my son help too..
He sounds like my first love in that phone call. He had schizophrenia and killed himself a couple years ago. I loved him so much and still do and I wish he was still here. I know that Austin was probably so scared and heartbroken by what he’d done.
Yes, it is heartbreaking. I have 2 wayward children. I want nothing more than to wrap them in my arms to keep them safe from themselves until the danger passes, but they won't.
I dont have a son but thank you anyway! I really apreciate your efforts to help me.
@Voron Agent and communist loyalist are you confused?
Dude he killed 2 ppl
Idk how you could think Austin wasn’t insane the night of the attack. He seemed completely delusional - glad he’s in a secure hospital now honestly. Prison wouldn’t do anything for him.
i agree...i hope he gets to atleast have internet and three full an warm meals a day...poor guy
@@codymazza7303yeah it really sucks. It’s hard to feel bad or good about it because people died you know. But from what it seems, he has a terrible case of schizophrenia. I know a couple of people with a mild case of it and all they experience are faint whispers and intense chatter in there head that normally isn’t a bad thing but for them it feels completely involuntary. So for Austin I can’t help but feel sorry for everyone involved the world is a sad place sometimes
@@codymazza7303internet is like the worst thing for him lol
Prison isn’t supposed to do anything for him. He’s incarcerated for life .Now he’s just being heavily medicated.
@@seanmy3884 Mental hospitals are far far worse than prison
It's rare that I feel bad for both sides of a murder case, but the first story is upsetting to say the least. It's not often that i believe a murderer has diminished responsibility for their crimes based on mental instability, but its pretty obvious to me that Austin was not in control at all. I feel for both sides.
Sad thing is that he's in Florida where they don't care if you are seriously mentally ill or not most of the time, they just want you either locked up or dead.
Feel exactly the same way...
I completely agree !! Hearing the shakiness in the father and sons voices was so sad !! You could tell they both were trying to fight tears !!
@@mommy2libras same here in California….
That first kid needs an exorcism
If you ever catch me drinking cooking oil and Parmesan cheese just go ahead and have me committed
Or just off you
Hollering😂😂😂
😅😅😅
Maybe that's a habit of Arabs as Harrouff is an Arabic name.
Sounds like a good way to get explosive diarrhea....
The dad is amazing. I’ve never seen such unconditional love. The dad knows terrible things happened but didn’t judge his mental health. Only reassured him that he would get him help and suggesting he try to get a Bible. Rather than defending his actions, he said stay strong. We will get you help. I can’t imagine how hard it was but that’s true unconditionally love
The father sucks for telling his son he’s proud of his son. Two people were slaughtered. Screw his father and Austin. 🤮🤮
@simulationkoyoshit seriously?! 😨😰😰 ugh omg!!! 🤢 how'd you find that out? D: they're fucking everywhere istg!!! 🤬
@@Ceerads remember at the end of the day 27 individual human beings liked his comment while you liked your own. Meaning nobody liked yours. think about that. And then ask yourself was your comment really necessary. Or was it appropriate? Just to give you a hint, the answer is no.
Make it 28
He's delusional.
@bigboy3664 you're delusional as well lol
It's the first time, I'm genuinely sympathetic to someone who murdered two people. You could tell, he just needed psychiatric help. I feel for his victims too. And Austin too. It's just a heartbreaking situation. The call broke my heart.
Dont be scared. You can get help! I want to help you. Im just far away and maybe not in a mental health to do anything good. I just have to wait until the sun comes up and I can eat my breakfast. Its so good to have rice and chicken in the fridge. Remember to eat and drink water and wine with jesus and you will be okay.
@@imonoke7903 wut..
@@imonoke7903 Understood. Thanks.
same here
Sounds about white
My bf stepbrother has schizophrenia, he was diagnosed last fall after his dad witness his psychosis and he got help really quickly. It was so hard to listen to the phone call because I feel like that could have happened to my stepbrother if his parents had hesitated getting him hospitalized in a mental health facility. He's now medicated and always at his mom's of dad's, went back to school and even got a part-time job. He also interacts better with us compared to before.
I'm happy for your family. May I ask, how did he get the help he needed? Did he request it or did the family members call to request help?
@@prettybrowneyez3338 his dad took him to the psychiatric hospital and he was hospitalized after a quick diagnosis. They needed more time to assert it was really schizophrenia and give him proper help. He stayed there for a few weeks and his parents would visit every day. He was discharge with medications and they made sure he would be taken care of.
@@o0Marilyn0o But did he request help? Or did his dad ask for help?
@@prettybrowneyez3338 I don't think he directly ask for help during his psychosis but he agreed to go
I have a friend who has paranoid schizophrenia but who is the least violent person I have ever met. It first manifested at a house party. He believed that someone started a rumour that he had sexually assaulted a cat and that everyone conversation he could see people having (not close enough to actually hear) was about him being a zoophile. The assault never happened and no one was even showing him attention, but to him, everyone was looking at him and talking about him. This escalated to people "believing" he was a rapist and paedophile. He can hear the conversations of people walking past his home saying "that's where the nonce lives". I can't even imagine how awful that must be to live like that. Although when he is not delusional, he knows it isn't real and is aware of his psychosis, but when he is- it is all very real. He is such a great guy and I wish he could see that.
The saddest thing about most all cases like Austins- if you’ve ever traveled that road with a child suffering from mental illness- there’s no help. Society literally pushes them to extremes before they will listen. We see it over and over- the videos, diaries- mentally ill minds begging for help and nobody listens. Then they get sent to prison still not medicated properly. Imagine- your mind haunting you every min of every day and having just enough sanity to know something is wrong. It’s awful. The victims never had to die if someone- anyone had helped Austin before it came to that.
It's always "they have to be 18 to even be evaluated for things" and by the time they are 18 its way too late! It's sad. This shit is sad.
@@journeehyde9128and then when they’re 18 you’re told “they’re an adult so there’s nothing we can do”. It’s atrocious
@Mmannk they can show signs as early as 6 or 7 but can't be tested but by the time they are 13 or 14 they are pretty much never going to change, only get worse, but can't be tested until 18 where it's way too late to start treatment.
It makes no sense
His mother was gonna get him taken under the Baker act but never did in time
I’ve suffered from a psychotic break before and it is the scariest thing coming back out of it. I really hope Austin is getting the mental care he needs. It’s so, so very difficult trying to get yourself out of that place. I hope the families of the victims have found their peace, and that Austin has found peace as well 🤍
I’ve heard more about Austin’s case:
He said he heard voices and saw this dark shadow and he followed it to that garage.
He only attacked Michelle because the voices told him she was a witch and he had to kill her.
The phone call between him and his father was so heart breaking- he sounded afraid and like he just wanted to be with his family again.
His father is so amazing for still loving and reassuring his son that he’ll be ok and telling him that he loves him.
Although the narrator said that Austin sounds monotone and flat, I personally thought he sounded scared and like he was about to cry.
Hes just a boy who need serious help, I feel quite sorry for him because of the voices and his mental illness but
His actions and cannibalism is not excused and he should be charged for it
I know we are only getting a brief overview of this story but I don't have confidence in anyone medical professional that says Austin wasn't legally insane.
Do you feel sorry for the 2 people who he killed? I do
@@sandrahatherley2184 Is there some reason why you think expressing sympathy for a young adult who clearly experienced a mental health crisis and now has to live with the knowledge they are a murderer precludes one for also feeling sympathy for the murder victims? Sympathy isn't a finite resource....
There are far too many people in prison that have mental health issues. But where else are they suppose to be? There are not enough mental hospitals.
I bet you could find more ‘medical professionals’ that would decide that the kid was faking it than ones that would side with him. Just perspective. Right or wrong yes or no, nobody knows for sure.
Those 2 innocent kids would've been screaming out "mommy help!!!" And yet she just watched the car sink? She needs to rot in jail. No parole. No way.
Baby-killers should never, by any extent of the imagination, be freed.
Their tiny panicked little teary faces are something I can see if my mind 😭 I don’t even like kids but oh my god, the idea of harming a child is horrible to me. I wish she had ditched them at a hospital
I watched another video where a mother turned around and shot all 3 of her kids on the back seat. WTF is wrong with these people? Adopt them out or just leave them with someone. There is absolutely no forgiveness for an act like that
@@tyronemalone4158 they usually do it to hurt the other parent. So evil.
I feel like this is more nurture than nature. Getting abused by your stepfather throughout your childhood, telling multiple adults including your mother and multiple counsellors, and them not doing fucking anything about it, would really fuck someone up for life. It isn't an excuse for her actions, but society definitely failed this woman from the start.
Susan Smith’s story is eerily similar to that of Diane Downs who shot her three children while “out for a drive” one night in 1983. She also claimed that they were carjacked by a strange man. In the interviews, you could tell she was just overjoyed to be the center of attention. It was also eventually discovered that Diane had been obsessed with a married man who claimed he didn’t want children. The similarities between the two cases makes me think this happens a lot more than we think!! Just crazy
How can a mother be like this I can’t understand…..horror and heartbreaking 😭
I had to wrack my brain for a minute because Susan's case is such a carbon copy of Diane's and I wasn't sure if my memory of Diane's story had somehow gotten completely scrambled. Piece of garbage or not, though, at least Susan had enough of a gnawing conscience to finally crack and admit what happened, versus Diane who, as far as I know, is continuing to Rubik's cube her story about the "frazzled man" to any who'll listen.
Austin’s case is particularly tragic to me coming from the area, and knowing many people who knew him personally. I’ve worked in the psych field and have seen people’s hard won lives turned upside down by these issues. The fact that he mentioned shrooms hit me like a ton of bricks. Do NOT touch psychedelics if you have any family or personal history of serious mental illness. You can throw yourself into a situation it can be difficult if not impossible to climb out of.
Or concussions, people don't do psychedelics if you play sports that you end up with a lot of concussions. Local story for me where a boy stabbed his father to death and almost his step-mom because he had a history of concussions and did shrooms. He thought they were devils and that god had sent him as some day of reckoning. Cops who arrested him claim he had abnormal strength, almost "super-strength" as they put it. Search Thomas Chan stabs family.
I agree with you wholeheartedly. Young people fail to realize how serious it can be taking shrooms and having an undiagnosed mental illness. It can also happen with pcp.
why are you sympathizing with him lol he shouldve offed himself
I've seen a close friend of mine have a psychotic episode on mushrooms.
This was during a house party with around 30 people, most of them on mushrooms themselves inc me.
We initially separated him, put him into a dark room at the back of the house with dome dim lights, got all of the pillows, covers and blankets we could find to pad the room, and removed everything sharp because he was trashing around a bit.
This worked fine for a while, he was just lying in there, speaking nonsense, giggling, sometimes screaming obscenities.
But then people stumbled in on the room, and within a few minutes there were a dozen or so ppl on there...
We were trying go get then out, but our friend was getting more agitated, and even tried to bite a girl's face, so we had to restrain him....
This guy is 6'2, does ufc and may thai. I was holding his left leg only, for like an hour before we decided we needed to call 000 (Australia).
By the time the cops got there he was very violent, trying to punch, bite, scratch anyone. He fought the police and tried to bite them too.
Once they restrained him on a stretcher he calmed down.
We were really worried about him, but the next day he showed up at our place. He said he didn't remember anything at all, except trying to bite a police officer, which was when he sort of came to the realisation of what he was doing.
He woke up in hospital, restrained, with a nappy on.
He didn't have a history of mental illness. He and us did mushrooms together for many years, dozens of times, and one time it just happened.
This isn't to scare anyone, just a personal experience. This didn't put me off from psychedelics myself lol. Just give them the respect, and I wouldn't do it more than twice a year.
Yea those are definitely dangerous. Although im not an expert on shrooms and dont how how they affect the body or long long the hallucinations can last (eg. A week or a year), im still stunned how the toxicology report states he was basically sober at the time of the attack with no drugs or hallucinagenics noted before he attacked. But again, im not sure if the hallucinagenics couod have affected his state of mind permanently.
The phone call between Austin and his dad is actually heart breaking. There was absolutely something wrong with him mentally. I cannot imagine waking up from insanity, coming back to clarity, and finding out you killed two people. Obviously my heart absolutely breaks just as hard for the victims. If only the people around Austin where more versed on the signs to look for and got him help sooner. This all could have been avoided. Painful all around.
The mother tried. Unless you have money and can actually force people into psyche help, then you can’t.
I’ve been watching these type of documentaries and I always know which call / voice is fake or genuine . Austin tone sounded like he’s sad and scared not flat. I’m shocked how the narrator said otherwise
@@tine2835
Narrator said flat/monotone AT TIMES. People have made comments that they disagree with that as if he made it out that was the whole conversation tone but that's not what the narrator actually said. 'At times' and he's right, he did sound that way at times. He also sounded genuinely scared and everything else that's been mentioned.
@@jrod1591In some countries you can do that and force people into a mental health institution long term before they kill themselves and specially others. But in the US forget about that.
@@tine2835 yeah, you’re a real genius bro. Shocking you’re not the worlds leading psychoanalyst 🤦♂️
The last story about Susan Smith is unbelievably horrible. I could not sleep after watching this. I had to think about the horrors that the small boys had to suffer before their death. This crime is so evil it should be only punishable by the capital punishment. No mercy for that evil unhuman being.
I agree, this case was an out and out premeditated murder. By a woman who cared only for her self and her selfish desires. She does not have the right to be called Mom. I don’t buy the academic theories put forward by psychologists that her behavior has anything to do with her own childhood experiences. I would venture that she can remember how bad her experiences made her feel, the sadness, the pain, the feelings of I just don’t matter, feeling totally unloved including by her own mother. No one would visit that pain on their own children. Yes, I speak from experience but I would walk through fire to protect my children before anyone would harm a single hair on their precious heads. Keep the woman that bore them in jail forever. Rest in peace little Angels.
@@cherryblossom7848I can't have children. It breaks me every day, only for monsters like her to be blessed by them.
Life is a sick cruel joke sometimes.
@@Ndkksooejn Life is a sick, cruel joke, always. Best to just laugh at the craziness of it all and just keep fighting.
This story is tragic. I lost my son who developed schizo affective disorder late in life, last year. He didn’t threaten anyone but his delusions and paranoia about them were scary, shocking and well, devastating. I would worry for him and others.
This is is just tragic. God bless Austin and those affected by this devastation
So sorry for your lose . can you tell me what age he was please. I'm asking because a senior citizen was diagnosed schizophrenic in his 70's! I thought this wasn't correct because of his age. Again Dear so sorry for your lost at any time in his life
My condolences. I cannot imagine the pain of my child (42 and 52) passing on. 💔
I am so sorry. ❤
Any Type Of Schizophrenia
Is A Life Sentence In Itself.
I Lost My Only Child To Schizophrenia, And Another
Mother Lost Her Daughter As Well. The Illness Really Came
On When My Son Was 17. Two Lives Ended When He Was
22 And She Was 24.
It’s Incredibly Hard To Get
Help For Them After They
Are 18 Yrs Old. Mental Health Providers Cannot Talk To You
About Their Mental Health.
I Even Went And Tried To Talk To Law Enforcement About
All The Crazy Things He Was Doing Including Serious Criminal Acts Right There In The Neighborhood And Warned Them That I Was Sure
Someone Was Going To Get
Killed. I Figured It Would More Than Likely Be Him Since He
Seemed To Choose To Be Homeless And Not Work A Steady Job. The Girl Had
Mental Illness As Well. My Son Spent 80% Of The Last Year Of His Life In Mental Hospitals, Always Being Brought In On “Direct Order” By Law Enforcement. Some
Private Hospitals And At The
County Psychiatric Center.
He Met The Girl In A Mental Hospital And They Liked Each Other. So, Since He Was Homeless And She Had An Apartment, And They Got Released At The Same Time, She Invited Him To Come
Stay With Her. They Left The
Hospital Happy On A Friday, And They We’re Both Dead Sunday Morning By 8AM.
There Was Violence Involved
By Both Parties. I Had To Put Myself In Therapy 2 Years Before This Happened, And My Therapist And I Both Knew That His Behavior Had Already Turned Criminal And It Was Just A Matter Of A Shorter & Shorter Period Of Time Before He Would Get Himself Killed Or Kill Another Person. Of Coarse, It Killed My Soul To Get The News.
However, Living With The Anxiety And Anticipation Of Knowing It Was Going To Happen Sooner & Sooner And There Wasn’t Anything More I Could Do To Prevent It From Happening Was Like A Slow Death For Me. I Developed Graves Disease From All Of The Stress I Was Going Through And Even Had To Have Surgery For What It Was Doing To My Body.
I’ve Educated Myself In Every Way Possible About This Mental Illness. It CAN Show
Up Seemingly Out Of Nowhere And Progress Very Rapidly. Accepting That This Mental Illness Is Just Part Of The Human Condition Is A Whole Lot Better Than Not Even Knowing He HAD Schizophrenia And Being So Afraid Of Him I Wouldn’t Let Him In My House The Last Time He Came By At 4AM.
When He Called Me The Last Time From Yet Another Mental Hospital I Told Him If I Were Him I Would Work Diligently With My Doctors And The Medications They We’re Prescribing Until I Got It Figured Out And Could Start To Functioning Better For A Better Life That Would Work For Him. I Also Told Him That If He DIDN’T Do It, Something
Was Going To Blow Up In His Face, And “That He Would Never See It Coming”. He Hung Up On Me, As Usual.
THE END Came Five Days Later For Two Young Adults.
I Always Pray For People With
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Prayers Of Peace 🕊For Your
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I’m so sorry about your son 😞 I hope you’re doing ok.
That first case is so sad and frightening at the same time.
I'm currently going through something kind of similar. My upstairs neighbor keeps having hallucinations of a woman inside his house who screams, laughs derisively, bangs on the walls and slams doors and he's latched onto the fact that it's either me, my mom or his upstairs neighbor's wife. I've come home at 1am once to find him sitting on the floor between the two doors of our apartment and a couple of days ago he knocked on our door in the morning to confront me and ask me to please "send the consciousness of the woman inside his house away". He said he would call the police and if nothing came from it he would find the person on the street and beat them.
Needless to say, we're all scared. I recorded most of the conversation and sent it to his family because they haven't been taking it very seriously? They thought homeopathic treatment was going to make him better. It won't. Nevermind that I'm a psychologist and told them as much several times. But apparently that changed once they heard the recording. I guess it really makes a difference, hearing the voice of their own son/brother saying all those clearly delusional things instead of just hearing it from someone else.
Regardless, I am ready to go to the police if they don't tell me he's been institutionalized because I've been threatened twice at this point. Might just link them this video too.
Push until you feel safe. No one took us serious even though our whole family told our neighbors family, therapist and police that there was REAL danger- until she broke into our house in the middle of the night with weapons and tried to kill my mom. We ended up having to move and we lost everything because of it. Keep seeking help and pushing his family, please.
I’d go straight to the police, if the family isn’t taking this seriously
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Homeopathic remedies for mental health are always bs. Honestly, please go to the police anyway to make sure they do something and not just move him and lie to keep you happy.
I would seriously consider moving the eff out of there. Unless they have a police officer watching your place or offer some sort of protection I would be so scared. I’m so sorry you are going through this - I hope you find a safe and quick solution to this problem as soon as it is possible. I’m sure the solution is not so cut & dry.
His dad was so good on his phone call. There’s nothing you can do at some point but love your kid no matter what.
I will never forget Tim Bosma's wife saying: "It was just a TRUCK!!!" The raw specter of emotions in her voice made me sob. My God. I still get chills and tears in my eyes remembering that. The unbearable pain suffered by an entire family, just because a psychopath felt like committing a thrill kill for the fun and excitement of it. Millard didn't need the truck or the money. He would never have stopped if he hadn't been caught.
They could have caught him before that man was murdered. Due to sh*tty detective work it didn't happen. Dellens gf missing then a few months later his dad "kiills" himself...I would have at least questioned it.
Yet she was the moron who made Tim doubt his hesitation and go for a ride along with two random strangers. Easily could’ve assured him his uneasy feelings were right, yet she only cared about the truck in that moment. 😊🤗
@@lp1292 How very sympathetic of you to say. We weren’t there to see how trustworthy they appeared, we don’t know what exactly was said, we essentially know nothing about it, and yet you jump to conclusions like that?
I hope you’re trolling, but if not, I feel compelled to tell you, that views like those you just expressed, make this world soooo much more horrible than it has to be, and I sincerely hope you get better.
@@swagnusmcduck7566 You need to go outside, I’m being 110% serious. When two random strangers walk out of no where to “test drive” your vehicle you should immediately decline. Have you learned anything in life? The fact his wife was more concerned with losing the truck shows how little common sense they both had. Even doing simple Craigslist deals I always have my concealed on me. Red flags are waving and they were looking the other way. Could’ve been completely avoided had they relied on their instincts not financial worries.
I live in Ancaster, and I remember seeing her on the news, crying and begging for his return. I have always been scared of selling or buying anything online after this incident.
I heard about the first case with Austin and it has always made me sad. A boy who did well and had his life ahead of him in athletics and academics… with the amount of force police had to use to subdue him, I truly think he wasn’t aware of his actions and under psychosis. He sounds so lifeless in the phone call with his dad too, like he doesn’t truly understand what he did and is just empty.. I hope in the future he can get the help he needs and get himself on medication.. I’m not sure why the mother wouldn’t take him to the hospital or something after she found him drinking oil after he’d walked all the way home. Overall, just unfortunate for him and terrible for the lovely couple who lost their lives.
Rudy Eugene basically did the same thing yet the cops shot him dead. He was black tho and Austin is white so its not surprising the cops simply pulled him off instead of shooting him
You can't force someone to go to the hospital just because you're their mom. And he was also clearly delusional so who knows what he would have done to her if she tried something. She did the right thing in calling the police.
@@mlbashanti8885 you can in Florida under the Baker Act. But yes the first step is contacting mental health authorities or police.
Psilocybin and alpha-PVP are well known for causing delusions and unnatural strength and for possibly leaving lasting mental impairment effects afterwards and are notoriously hard to detect due to being out of your system in 15 hours or less. The very drugs he rapped about using.
Agree or disagree, facts are this is America. Specifically florida. With 2 dead bodies. He will do the rest of his life in prison, 100% no doubt about it.
Listening to the phone call between Austin & his Dad has given me a whole new perspective on this case. The fear in Austin's face really shook me. His Dad is a strong brave man.
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@@onetwo12onetwo526 🙄 very constructive
@@Panda-cute well he's halfway there
@@onetwo12onetwo526 disagree
@@Panda-cute you're correct 75%
I've heard this case covered multiple times and the one thing I seem to always take away from it is that both his parents, particularly his father, completely dropped the ball in realising their son needed urgent psychiatric help. Even the phone call to 911 from his mother she seems way too calm. If my son had come home and started drinking cooking oil I wouldn't just be taking him back to a restaurant, I'd be taking him straight to hospital. A true crime TH-camr named Joshua Miles did an amazing video on this case and an extensive part of the story was focused on Austin's increasingly bizarre behaviour leading up to the crime. The way this kid began to unravel bit by bit, day by day, was described in chilling detail. It was like a bird's-eye view into the mind of someone who was literally losing his mind. I was stunned that all of his family members were witnesses to this but didn't seem to think anything was really all that wrong! Just baffling.
I've come to realize that some ppl don't think things could or would happen to them. Some ppl don't know of the evil In the world as some don't know the good. This is like a scary movie they probably never imagined could become your reality IDK
It’s definitely odd that she just took him back to the restaurant he even had to change his shirt cuz he was spilling it on his other one
Drinking cooking instant heart attack ! 😮
I knew the dad didn't care about his son's mental health when he told Austin while in prison to get a bible
You can't admit someone, even your child, to a mental institution against their will unless they are overtly homicidal or suicidal. Doesn't matter how weird someone is acting, unless they are threatening others or themselves you can't commit them against their will. So when you blame the parents for not doing something, what exactly were they supposed to do?
As someone with bipolar schizophrenia, hearing that phone call between Austin and his dad just broke me a little bit. I remember having similar conversations with my mom when I was in the psych ward. It’s a terrifying experience, losing bits of yourself until you can’t recognize yourself anymore. I’m so grateful that I got the help I needed early and quick. Poor Austin.
???? I think ppl with schizophrenia shouldnt be in public at all....
@@rashaudblodgett3565 then you don’t understand schizophrenia lol
@@vanillameringues I understand completely and they need to be separated from society y'all weird ash do sum with urseld
@@vanillameringues that's a danger to society and signs of bipolar I been in mental health counseling all my life just for my anger issues so don't tell me nun u think u know cause u wanna show some sympathy if that's the case show sympathy to all killers and serial killers 💯💯
@🍙chái ☆彡 did u just compare depressed people to schizophrenia...theirs certain mental illnesses that don't need to be in society. U can treat depression and get over it people be born with schizophrenia thats a life long treatment u don't just hand over medication nd talk to a couple counselors and schizophrenia goes away. I understand y'all have sympathy for people with mental illnesses but theirs just some things that shouldn't be in society . 90% serial killers had some wild ass mental illness that they diagnosed them with not depression...
"A strict Jehovah's witness"
Must not have been that strict since she was pregnant at the wedding.
Yet another example of one whom claims to live by God's standards but does not live up to them through action.
Lmaoooo. Is that ever true! Just another hypocrite.
Well her mom met her pedo step father while as a member of the local chapter of the Christian Coalition
lol
Yea something is not right. He might be a one at first, but getting her pregnant…I don’t think he could continue to be that after doing such a thing…I don’t know.
Austin's struggle, I had gone into psychosis once from stress and insomnia, went crazy, hallucinated, was dangerous to myself and others. He googled about sleep, I have no doubt insomnia had a part in this. I have gone into psychosis by not having enough potassium and magnesium and drinking a lot of alcohol. He rapped about shrooms, recreational use of psychedelics can throw a person into psychosis and psychedelics often aren't tested for or won't show up after a period of time. I'm not schizophrenic, but I have lost my mind from the the things I mentioned above. After a break, being put on medication, voice became monotone and couldn't think quickly, it took months to recover from the episodes every time. Writing this to bring awareness, pay attention to your sleep, get sleep, pay attention to the foods you eat, deficiency affects mental health, careful with substances, they probably seem small but can change your entire life and others lives, and getting a misdiagnosis is also damaging, get the medicine when you know it's what you need, but the issues could be from other things and requires a different medication, treatment or lifestyle change. When you're gone, you're capable of anything like Austin.
I had insomia for awhile before I had to ask my GP for sleeping pills because I started hearing voice
You’re describing what usually accompanies the overuse of methamphetamines, be it crystal meth off the streets, or prescription drugs like Adderall. Those symptoms, no sleep, vitamin and nutrient deficiency, do not come on naturally and just ho away with time unless induced by some sort of chemical intake.
hey are you okay now? i hope your mind recovered from all of that
@@omarsyed7345 It took it's toll and took months to get my energy back, had brain fog for a while. Had to try to make lifestyle changes, hard to stick with them, but no one's perfect. I also got off medicine for a misdiagnosis (bipolar and it's actually PMDD) taking what is helping me now, so I'm less likely to struggle with insomnia or turn to alcohol to cope and continue to eat healthier the best I can after meeting with a dietitian who helped come up with a plan for PMDD and hypothyroidism (that worsened depression). Getting those in better in control, I have better control over BPD symptoms (would worsen from PMDD). It's been a lot of work. I am doing much better than I have in years, thank you for asking!
@@queenieburgers50 I'm glad you are doing better, wishing you continued improvement 🙏🏾🙏🏾
My stepson has schizophrenia/Schizoaffective disorder. It’s so sad. His started mildly manifesting at 20, but he was diagnosed with severe disorder at 22. Thankfully he’s never hurt anyone, but he was really bad. Thankfully, he’s in a housing facility right now and he’s doing great. He’s been in there over a year. He’s fairly normal now. He can carry conversations, whereas before he would talk complete and utter nonsense. Such a sad disorder. It’s heartbreaking.
I'm sorry. You're right. It's terribly cruel. Thanks for supporting him.
put him away before he kills someone lmfaoo
I’ve suffered from a psychotic break before and it is the scariest thing coming back out of it. I really hope Austin is getting the mental care he needs. It’s so, so very difficult trying to get yourself out of that place. I hope the families of the victims have found their peace, and that Austin has found peace as well 🤍
I also hope your stepson has found peace, sending much love from somebody who has also suffered from a debilitating mental state 🫂
The most terrifying thing about these events is that something similar could befall any one of us. Never assume anything about someone else's state of mind.
Thanks.
Your comment has prodded me to take further action on what could be a deadly situation.
I'll be using your adage, "never assume anything about someone else's state of mind", to inform (and warn) friends and family.
That said, I'm not sure that everyone will be safe. Sometimes, shit happens...
Exactly, this terrifies me
Talk 4urself and not about us
@@domoetker3967 they meant that anyone you see or meet could be about to have a mental break dummy. Stop taking offense for no other reason than to be offended.
@@Jeremy_Watson You Black?
Is anyone else disturbed by the fact that Dellens girlfriend Christina knew about two of the murders, helped cover them up and only served 3 months. Hopefully she is avenged eventually. How could the families find solace knowing she is out there free?!
Right?! At a minimum she was an accomplice for 2 murders and I don’t believe she didn’t know anything about the 3rd or about all the robberies and other more petty crimes. She is easily as evil as the other 2 and got off with barely a slap on the wrist!
@@pinkfluffydino8217female privilege
Welcome to the life of a woman. She's a poor victim!!
@@-angeldustit’s not female privilege. in another case on this channel, a boy helped lure a girl to her death at the hands of his friend, witnessed her murder, and helped cover up it up and he served no time, didn’t even get probation.
not to mention the men with extensive histories of violent crimes who only get probation. or the thousands of men who get away with rape every single day. the justice system is broken no matter what sex you are.
Welcome to Canada's wack sentencing.
I’ve listened to a few documentaries about Austin, and I have nothing but pity for him, his family, and the innocent victims of his madness. He wasn’t in any more control of his actions than we were.
The hardest part of hallucinations isn't being able to discern reality from what isn't real. It's being too tired having to remind yourself that something isn't real. You can usually tell by the body language of others or certain features of what you see that it can be dismissed. But having to do that all the time is what leads to breakdowns. Most learn coping mechanisms to vent or process the stress, but it's so sad and even scary when you see people fail to properly handle those things and destroy people's lives.
I believe that I'm a cat
I know what you mean about things that you'd swear are real, but they're not. I went through a time when my body had adapted to my dose of medication. Thankfully with help and my dosage upped I'm doing much better. And I'm more aware of the symptoms when I need my dosage upped again.
@@victoriawilliams2786 I had to make serious sacrifices going off medication, but I'm glad you're in a stable place while taking it. Try counseling and any other alternative so you don't have to keep dealing with those awful side effects. Good relationships go alot farther than you'd realize dealing with these things.
@@thefoilguy You're absolutely right. I do counseling and talk with my specific medication Dr. on the regular. Between her and my bff we make sure I'm not sliding. I'm really glad that you are doing well! I hope things stay positive for you. Please accept a virtual hug from an internet stranger 🤗
@@bobthetitanic Friends have recommended that but it can get discouraging. It's good he has found a coping mechanism that works. Some people do better when they have to remind themselves/think about it the least.
This needs to be on streaming…it’s such good narration and storytelling.
I'll never understand this. I was severely abused as a kid, and had no childhood to speak of. When i had children, I absolutely delighted in everything about them. They both saved my life and woke me up from a deep depression.
I'd argue that, if you have a soul at all, once you know what being hurt feels like, you want to save every single soul you encounter from feeling anything close to this. Susan is a malignant narcissist and nothing will ever change my mind about that.
After being admitted to a mental hospital on a 72 hour hold, I spent time with a young man there who reminds me a lot of Austin. Schizophrenia is so so scary for the person suffering from it, and I feel awful for him and the couple who had to face the wrath of his episode. He’s absolutely heart broken in the call with his dad. The internal demons he had to fight every day without help. I hope he gets what he needs, and I hope the couples family is doing well after the tragic events. I feel for everyone involved
I don’t doubt the kid had some typa schiz but the kid was taking steroids as well and probably a lot. You know steroids don’t let you sleep and you get alot of roid rage for it too.
@@JasonChanax there wasn’t any in his tox screen
I had a very good friend who had schizophrenia and was a recovering herion addict. He was a good guy but would hear voices and see people. He would text me and ask if he could call me, he would be thinking someone was trying to get him and barricade himself in his apartment and grab a knife. It was completely different than anything I’ve faced before. Sadly he was in some trouble and the court ordered in patient rehab. So he figured he would party one more time. Sadly he od’d on 9/10/23. His “h” was laced with fentanyl. A girl was arrested for it.
@@JasonChanax i slept better actually
Not sure why the narrator didn’t cover this, but this is the case that made international news about some guy on bath salts eating peoples faces off. This was just a murderous monster on drugs that deserves 0 sympathy.
Austen’s story makes me so sad. He clearly was having a mental health crisis that wasn’t caught soon enough. It’s an absolute tragedy that it resulted in the death of that couple. I really hope Austen gets the help he clearly needs and doesn’t become hopelessly lost in the broken criminal system. I also hope that the couples families finds peace in their devastating loss.
I have suffered with delusions and believe me it is SO SO real.
Unless you've experienced it you'll never understand how logical and rational you believe you're behaving 😩
That phone call honestly made me cry. That father was so sweet and encouraging towards Austin that was so obviously scared !
Am I the only one weirded out by the “good job not answering questions”? I’m sorry but if that happened to my child I’d want me and the police to know everything
@@flan6449 that made me nearly vomit. 12:15 “I’m real proud of you, how you didn’t answer any questions”.
@@flan6449 Everything you say can and will be used against you in court, It doesn't matter if you're innocent or guilty, it's never a good idea to talk to the police. At least that's what I think his father was thinking at the moment.
Both father and son are pieces of crap.
@@flan6449 the not answering question thing.... there's a reason...he very CLEARLY needs help a mental facility....answering a bunch of questions to detectives can be used to say that he is perfectly sane...the system is very flawed and will use literally anything against you..the kid needs real mental help.. not jail...no I'm not condoning what he did it's fucked up... but come on...he was eating somebody....did not feel a taser...did not give a crap about a dog biting the shit out of him..did not care about 4 cops kicking the crap out of him...he CLEARLY CLEARLY was having a serious psychotic episode.
If the police had done basic job when investigating Dellen's father death, two innocent people would be alive today.
Can we just stop and appreciate the narrator so so easy to listen to through these crazy cases
The phone convo with Austin and his dad had me in tears.
Truly unconditional love
@@horrific_dream7111 to be able to love your child even after that, and recognize that they need help, is true strength
Me too
😞
Wow what an amazing dad Wade is. I remember being locking up when I turned 18 and I wish a had a dad like that, one I could talk to and communicate with. Unfortunately I did not and I was in and outta of prison until I turned 28 and I haven't been back since. Had a lot to do with having an abisive dad instead of a loving and caring one. My prayers are with you Austin and Wade your an amazing father!!!
i'm glad to hear you've turned your life around & i hope you're doing well now! having a loving father is so important, especially to a young boy. if their father is cold or abusive, it warps their perception of what being a "man" is.
The difference is his son was psychotic and not just a POS criminal like you
I find it hard to believe that Austin changed all of a sudden. I think his parents missed crucial signs throughout his life that only compounded over the years and culminated on that horrific day.
Your right ur comment is the only comment I found that represents caution and not emotionally driven
If you look deeper into the case his “acting crazy” and his delusions, auditory hallucinations, visual hallucinations, psychosis and other issues weren’t something new at all and had been going on for a year or more in many different ways but the day & into the night of the incident was when it all exploded in their faces and made them realize they should have gotten him help much sooner.
The fact that the prosecution agreed he was legally insane at the time of the incident and didn’t fight it with a trial says a lot about how sick he really was. I’ve seen a lot of trials where people say they were insane. I’ve seen only 1 where I actually believed they were legally insane without a doubt and a couple where I wasn’t 100% sure but it was likely. In all those cases the prosecution took it to trial and forced the defense to prove it. I was shocked when they basically just agreed to let him go to a mental health facility and didn’t fight it in this case.
Unfortunately, these poor strangers & their families and friends are the ones who are paying the largest price for them thinking he would grow out of it or something.
"crucial signs" = roids and shrooms. The guy messed his own head up.
#3 I was in high school when this happened. I remember how so many of us were shocked when we found out that it was the mother that killed her children. It was during a time where that idea was still very new. I just remember seeing adults around me just completely surprised that it was her and she could do what she did. It was definitely a shift I think I saw in investigations of children missing over or harmed by parents who weren't initially suspects at all. But now it's the first go to to eliminate suspects. Great episode EWU. 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻
What ideal thing to do? The only thing that Susan did is blame it on an strange black guy. It was the ideal thought at that time and it was sad when she said this then it was infuriating 😠
That story she told hurt many!
@@brendaleary9281 oh yeah. But she said was definitely racist. I think how she hurt the kids hurt people the most. She said it was quick but I remember the investigators at the time did it demonstration with the car to see how long it would take. It took several several minutes the car to sink. 😓 Just beyond cruel.
@@brendaleary9281 -they most always go for blaming it on blacks, or hispanics.
@@dmreddragon6
People uncomfortable saying this too! And it still goes on. Karen in NY park. Help Help there's a black man threatening me and my dog, as she swing the shit out of the dog. Then we HEAR and SEE say Help!!! He's coming at us right now! The man hasn't moved. At least those that think that way still are getting arrested or at least fired 😒 when she wanted the police to coming shooting and ask questions later 😠
@@dmreddragon6 let me add that this must hurtful to hear everytime. I'm sorry that some white women do that.
the phone call with austin and his dad is so upsetting yet slightly heartwarming. Austins father was so calm with him, and polite just telling him about the news, the weather and how he was going to get him out of prison. The narrator says Austins voice is flat, however i honestly feel like he is scared or upset. His voice sounds shaky, and goes high pitched at points,indicating some clear emotion. I hope that Austin, his family and everyone else mentioned in this video are doing well.
Lol mmk
Poor dad, hes torn and just loves his boy
this made me sad. what a great father.
Trust me, everyone hated Susan Smith. Moving her trial would NOT have helped.
Everyone who remembers her still hates her for the torture she put her 2 babies thru. She knew what she was doing. Some people are just evil.
A cashier at a gas station told me she met Susan in prison…. I believe her
@@twotatanka5396 I don't. People always lie about tragedies because they crave attention and want to make it about themselves. I knew a guy who said he was supposed to be inside the world trade center on 9/11. He's now in jail for running a ponzi scheme.
The father of Austin is the example of unconditional love!!!
He knows he’s son has done wrong but is still there for him!!!!
I’m so glad I’m not in his shoes, but being a mother of 3, I get where he is coming from, right or wrong, I get it!
Every person deserves someone to love them
He sounds like he's actually mentally disturbed. He really needs his family. Sad situation for everyone especially the victims and their loved ones. How do you reconcile a family's need for justice with the fact that the man who killed them was seriously mentally ill? :(
sure, he's going to the boat. lovely.
@@kelleh711 imagine speaking about anxiety and acceptance and your mother calls it 'disgusting'. Seems like there were some parent issues in his life to me.
Austins story was sad. He did a horrible crime. But he knows he messed up, you can tell he deeply regrets it. His father was so sweet. I am glad Austin has his dad. I hope Austin is getting help.
Oh my god I just can’t stop watching these, you guys seriously get better every video you produce, the edits, stories, narration. Amazing!
Their is a God in heaven..don't misuse His name
@Italian Traditional Catholic you don't get to police how people talk or what they say.
There may be a god in heaven for you but maybe not for others.
You need to mind your business.
@@italiantraditionalcatholic2390 that’s not what taking the lords name in vain means. And you need to mind your own business regardless
My brother is schizophrenic. It was horrible trying to get him help. He was violent toward my dad and all they would do was a 72 hour hold. After the hold they would let him go. This happened several times within a year. There were a few times he would sign him self out and we would have to track him down because we had no clue where he was. He was 20 so the hospital was not allowed to tell us anything. It was a scary time for my family and it was hard seeing my brother like that. I don’t think people realize how hard it is to get someone help in that state. Especially an adult. You can’t force someone to stay in treatment, we were told basically until he does something illegal they can’t keep him over the 72 hours involuntary. Luckily after several 72 hour holds my brother finally was well enough to realize he needed help and voluntarily stayed. He is still not the same but much much better.
The phone call with Austin , he sounded very drained yes but you could tell he was distressed & most likely scared maybe even remorseful , let’s not forget his organs were just failing not long ago also so I’m sure he was feeling exhausted, hope he gets help & I hope the victims family finds peace.
This boy was giving off signs and symptoms of schizophrenia and was the right age for people who have a predisposition to start reacting to their illness.
He said something about steroids. So…. Steroids ?
@@Isabel-ge1ou no isabel
austin definitely sounded scared on the phone with his dad and like he was on the verge on tears/a breakdown. this poor boy needed help sooner and maybe he wouldn’t have done what he did. don’t get me wrong, what he did was horrid and no lives should’ve been lost, but truly i don’t think there was anything he could’ve done in that state of mind to talk himself out of what he was doing. rip to the stevens, and i hope austin is getting the help that he needs while serving his sentence. it’s also admirable that his dad is so comforting and loving despite the terrible thing he did, he knows his son was not himself and that he was acting extremely out of character. my heart goes out to both families, this is just overall really heartbreaking
He sounds a little out of it
He doesn’t sound scared at all, are you delusional too? Lol
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He supposed to be comforting that's his son but you reverse it and another demon possessed person like Austin killed Austin and his sister and the dad would want either life in prison without the possibility of parole or the death penalty.
I watch ur channel al the time , but it’s so crazy hearing the Canadian stories.. I live in the same city as Tim and I remember this happening in real time.
Austin on phone with his dad sounds to me, like he's trying not to cry, and is very scared. What a good dad he has, assuring him he won't be left on his own and his family will do everything they can for him.
there were a lot of signs they dropped the ball on.he was patrolling the house all night for demons,etc.they should've taken action way before the oil drinking episode.
Case 3 reminded me of Diane Downs, who attempted to kill her children (one died) because her lover didn't want to be a father; (he had nothing to do with it; she was a homicidal sociopath) the movie Small Sacrifices with Farrah Fawcett does a pretty good job in explaining how her twisted mind worked; one of Farrah's best performances ever.
This story in particular is so infuriating. Why not just give the father 100% custody of the children if you don't want them. I truly don't understand it
@@miranda27874
Because some people see their children as possessions. So they would rather dispose of them than give them up.
Their is a lot of controversy with Diane as they say her husband kept getting her pregnant over and over again and didn't believe in contraception or abortion etc.
People believe she had a mental break and kept trying to reach out but her husband didn't believe in medication if believe correctly.
They say postpartum/postnatal depression was the main factor.
So hard when it comes to children as they should be protected by their parents who they trust with their very lives only to be killed by them...just heartbreaking.
I'm hoping I haven't confused these two cases though.
2 died*
@@camvin575 I think you might be thinking of Andrea Yates.
My sister in law and her husband have always sat in their garage. People would stop and visit with them all year round. They have heat, a TV and chairs for people ❤
That call between the father and son was heartbreaking. I have a brother who’s schizophrenic and I’ve heard that conversation so many times over the years. Very sad and painful memories.
Austin's story is so upsetting... gives me such mixed feelings. I really believe there was something wrong with him, whether he was on drugs or was sick, idk (thc didn't cause these things) but I really believe he didn't plan this, he didn't choose to do these things in his right mind, and I DO believe that he has remorse and IS sorry that he did these things. But he still needs to face consequences. I really hope he gets the help he needs. My heart goes out to his family and obviously to the victims and their family too. This is just a sad story for everyone involved. 😔
His family are good people .this guy is disturbed by drug taking .it's so fucking sad.and scary .
I’m a supporter of thc. However some people with schizophrenic tendencies, marijuana warps or triggers the funky in their brain.
Cannabis advocate here, THC can and will trigger mental health problems in people with underlying mental health issues such as schizophrenia and alzheimers. But that's 10% of people mostly. But there always tends to be other drugs mixed in such as Steroids, Coke and Benzos
I have seen people with schizophrenia have issues when they smoke weed, my roommate is one, and I've seen people freak out while smoking weed for other reasons too, but NEVER once have I even heard of someone becoming violent to the point of eating someone's face from just marijuana. However, I don't even think they found anything in this guy's system if I remember correctly. However, idk if they'd be able to find certain psychedelics which I believe totally could cause someone to freak out to this level, but I don't believe for a second this was due to THC. But more than anything else, I really believe his mental health was the problem.
@@MattTheStan I've seen people seriously lose their shit on benzos! That shit makes some people super mean.
I want to cry after hearing the phone call between him and his dad. What a loving father
schizophrenia and hallucinations are scary. 2 people i knew had it and it was very sad to see them spiral and come up with these weird things and sometimes be hostile. theres nothing you can do to get through to them. i have had a paranoia problem set off by meth and one time i hallucinated all these demons and a man looking at me through the window. i got a knife and was going to see if someone was there. i didn't have many visual hallucinations after that night but i would hear people saying things about me when they were talking about something completely different or think i was being poisoned for some weird reason. luckily it seems to be mostly gone now because i havent done drugs in a long time but i feel like if i had to live like that all the time i probably would've wanted to just die.
I had a similar experience with amphetamine that finally went away a few after I stopped using. I kept hearing voices telling me to hurt my mom. I recognized that they were in my head and didn't listen but they still wouldn't stop. But yeah that shit is scary, I couldn't imagine having to live like that every day
I felt my pulse stop on spice one time lol that stuff was no joke. That was like 12 years ago. I was just disappointed in myself
I been waiting on another disturbing story does that make me weird .? EWU crew thanks again for the great detail stories always keeps me on the end of my seat 💺.
Absolutely, same here.✌️😉🍻
You say "weird" like it's a bad thing 😉
We’re all weird here, lol. Welcome 🤗😂
If it does, then I'm weird with you!! Lol
"One of us, one of us!"
I remember hearing about Austin’s crime on the news. Schizophrenia is a genuinely terrifying disorder and, while I don’t condone what Austin did, I do feel empathy for him and for others that struggle with it.
When I was 21 only drug I was on was weed I stayed up for 3 to 4 days and started loosing my mind I was at my gf house at the time and that’s when my delusions hit. Her mom had a weird bf that was there we were laying in bed she goes in the bathroom and my mind was going I thought she was in the bathroom with the bf I was racing snapped out left. I worked at a hospital overnight transporting patient I went to work had a mental breakdown at work seeing things thinking weird things starting crying. Got brought into an office and got 302 into the hospital I was working at in the physc section. There are things I don’t remember I’m awake but blacked out but when he googled do you need sleep. Most likely that was what caused it.
@@Goldensimba815 I’m so sorry you went through that man, that’s awful! But yeah, brains can’t go a long time without sleep without any long term consequences.
Susan Smith : “The thing that hurts me the most is that people think I killed my children over a man…”
No Susan, the thing that SHOULD hurt you the most is that your children died a horrible and painful death at your own hands. She’s more concerned about how she appears to others. She should feel extreme guilt which in turn should cause mental and physical anguish throughout the days of her life.
She doesn’t care dude, she only cares what people think
As soon as, somebody starts living her life for friends the results are often what we are watching here.
It's a big mistake to live your life for people. Once you do that, you become someone with no self-esteem, no values and no personality.
Perfectly said
She has felt guilt about her actions her whole life. She has cared about how shes percieved by others her whole life. No one gave a shit to ending her suffering since childhood. You go one of two ways being raised like that: overly empathetic and compassionate or thinking the consequences you suffer are greater than what anyone else in the same scenario experience. Not defending her, but youre expecting her to have a response to her actions as if shes like the rest of us...she isnt. The expectation for her to have any common feelings of regret, shame etc shouldnt be apparent. Another layer of tragedy to an event like this
She's actually eligible for parole and that's so sickening.
The Tim Bosma case is just a sad case all around. This happened in my hometown and it was very sad that this happened. A lot of people are wary about selling their cars online and have a second person always coming with them. Now if they meet in a public place with the vehicle as long as it’s running. People don’t take the chance of selling a car that’s not worth selling and I rather scrap it then have something like this happen again. I feel for the Bosma family and I really hope that they’re doing all right.
Even donating a car is an option. My last car completely died and rather than trying to sell it for whatever I could get, I donated it to NPR. A company picks it up and that was it.
How anyone could think that Austin isn't insane.. dude was eating his victims face while thinking he was a horse... if he isn't insane, who is?
I still remember Susan's trial and memorials for her babies as a young adult and being sickened. Even before having kids I could never understand how anyone hurts their kids. I still don't understand and now one of my friends is in prison for the death of his son but everything points to the MOTHER. I swear she's Casey Anthony 2.0. I need someone to look into this!!
Where is the case being prosecuted? Do you feel comfortable sharing their names; mother, father, and child? I would love to try to do some research into their case but would need all of that at a minimum.
*hears the name Susan*
*flashbacks from the pig episode*
@@pinkfluffydino8217this case was in the early 90’s. Susan Smith claimed a black man carjacked her and took off w her sons. She and husband-who had NOTHING TO DO WITH IT-went on tv for 8 days when she confessed. She let the car roll into a lake w her 2 sons, 3yo Alex and 14mo Michael, strapped in their car seats.
Austin’s phone call with his dad really hit home. He’s not a bad person.. he is ill. I hope he finds a friend in god. 🙏🏻✨
The phone call with his dad… that just broke my heart. He genuinely sounded so scared and just wanted his dad to be there to help him :(
You guys definitely need to have a show on Netflix or something ❤
Austin’s story is so sad. I know schizophrenia onset can be rapid, but it’s so important to try and get people help as soon as they start acting very out of character. My brother was schizophrenic. He had been extremely violent and mean to me most of our childhood and into early adulthood. Once he was diagnosed I was hopeful it would help him get back on track with meds and therapy. Unfortunately that was no the case, and I cut ties because I was afraid of him and exhausted of getting my ass kicked for no reason other than his violent whims. What always strikes me about Austin’s case is I was always so afraid my brother was going to kill me, my parents, or strangers. He had a high IQ and a god complex, and I felt him capable of it. It sounds terrible, but I felt indescribable relief when he finally successfully un alived himself.
suicide?
I had to skip the first one, which was a local event, though we have many insane events happening down here, this one really got me. His family should've gotten him help. I fully place the blame on his parents. They knew something was going on and chose to ignore it. If they got him help, maybe Austin would have graduated from college and the other family wouldn't have been shattered. Just seeing the difference in Austin's appearance from his TH-cam videos to the day the attacks happened would've been enough to cause me concern if I was related.
His best friend's mother went to his mother saying he was seeing and hearing things, and they did nothing but keep him locked out in the garage at night. When all this info came out his parents should've been arrested, parents can get arrested if their child secretly has a party at their house, but their child goes through this and nothing? The mother got what she wanted, her son locked away where she can now sleep at night with no concerns of him hurting them. You know it was a full-fledged psychotic episode, not being faked, when the cops were tasering him and kicking him in the head to get him off Michelle, and he didn't flinch.
Although I've heard of all these cases, EWU just does such an awesome job and gives great details. I did learn a few details about the Dellen case that I never knew.. great job EWU as always!
Same here, but learned more about each case 🤣
Nobody’s doing it like the Raven for real
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@@chelseyabarney7303 can you cite a source? I’ve tried looking for this information and can’t find it. I did find a quote similar to the one you used, and I saw that he was kicked in the head and had a K9 mangle his arm. He wasn’t severely beaten, and the quote wasn’t spot on with what you said from what I could find.
The call sounded more like Austin was on the verge of crying & scared rather than monotone. You can clearly tell he wasn't in control of himself & how he was confused, scared of what he was becoming, I hope the best for the victim's family & for Austin along with his family as well.
It was crazy to see the Tim Bosma case aired! This is 30 mins from my hometown and it rocked multiple communities. I also refuse to buy/sell from anyone online because of it. To close to home! Thank you for showing Canadian stories, we do have some crazy serial killers here too!!
The final case is shockingly similar to the case of Diane Downs. A mother who shot her 3 children in her car while on a back road, then claimed that a man attacked them when she had stopped the car and shot her children and her (she was shot in the arm, each of her kids in the chest, she then drove at 5mph to the hospital trying to wait for her children to die, but luckily 2 of her children pulled through despite her disgusting actions).
She shot them because she was romantically involved with a man who didn't want children, after she had repeatedly cheated on/divorced with the parent of her 3 children. She was also a narcissist and a manipulator who slept with people to get her way.
Both were also abused as children, then exhibited promiscuous behavior as young adults, before developing a craving for constant attention and committing atrocities to try to get it.
NotMyTH-camCannel have you seen the interview Diane Downs did where she was talking about watching her daughter as the blood poured out of her mouth? She says it so nonchalantly as if she's talking about the weather. Then she says people say I'm lucky I lived, but I don't feel so lucky. I haven't been able to tie my shoes in 3 months. Bc of her gunshot wound in her arm. Sad. And sickening 😡
Yea both cases are similar..
Can someone please help me to understand why they don't just give the father 100% custody instead of KILLING them
@@miranda27874 Lilely, it's a control issue or perhaps even a form of revenge. People like Diane don't think about what's best for others, only what they want and the fastest way to get it.
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I never ever got over the last case. Never. The police who pulled those babies out were sobbing. I couldn’t get my head around it.
RIP BEAUTIFUL ANGELS 👼🏻
I remember the Tim Bosma case soo well. Happened when I was in high school. I remember how this was all everyone was talking about. I don’t remember anything like this ever happening in my city. It’s so devastating. Tim’s “remains” were found just down the street from my school.
Man, Tim’s wife probably blames herself for encouraging him to go on the test drive-I hope she doesn’t. It wasn’t her fault at all.
No? But. If she didn’t say that…..
The raven dropping mad bars on us this episode. Thank you for all the hard work and another great video.
Oh man the phone call with Austin & his father, that’s genuinely heartbreaking. It’s obvious something happened mentally, that he wasn’t in control of himself.
I know 2 people died, horrifically, but I hope Austin & his family don’t just become more damage, sometimes you have to see past the brutality & understand there’s more to it & not just condemn more lives.
Hi, schizophrenic here. It's important to remember that it's not just schizophrenia that can cause mental problems. Bipolar disorder, and severe depression also have psychotic components that can cause breaks like that. Drug and steroid use can exacerbate (and even cause it) it as well.
Most of us aren't violent, either. I never had delusions of hurting anyone.
this is unrelated to any of the cases that you mentioned but, i really really appreciate how you include warning signs of perpetrators, signs victims are struggling etc, possible symptoms of mental health issues, covering multiple topics, remaining respectful to victims and their family and friends, and doing upstanding and thorough research in your videos. your viewers appreciate you! keep it up EWU :)
My dad sold his truck once. A house full of daughters freaking out he was going alone. We all went with him. Hammers, crowbar and tools in hand. When we got there. The other people started coming out. Four other guys coming out of their car. So we opened our doors too. They saw we were full too. And they went back in the car. I'm not positive something bad was going to happen. But I was happy we went with him.
I feel so bad for everyone involved. I hope at some point Austin can find peace. He has that stare of medicated numbness and it breaks my heart.
Euthanasia
@@onetwo12onetwo526 dude shut up the agressive one word answers to everyone are annoying
He might be numb but unfortunately he should be medicated. Too dangerous to himself and others without it
@@Panda-cute lobotomized
It's a very strange case. I'm so sorry for that poor innocent couple that Austin attcked. Thier poor family... on the same token. The recorded phone call to Austin from his Dad is heart wrenching.
Thinking about the fear those babies were going through in their last moments is horrifying and heartbreaking.
i feel bad for Tom , he told her how he really felt when he realized that she is taking things seriously. He must blame himself but it’s not his fault she could have given the children to their father and live her life as she wants but instead chose to do this:(.
I wish she would’ve given them to him or even just ditched them at a hospital. The image of their tiny panicked faces in the sinking car just makes me so sad
"I don't want to be with you because people do horrible things in this world, and I don't want to see it happen to your, or our, children"
- Woman then proceeds to drown and murder her own children.
That guys heart must be shattered. It's his literal nightmare come to reality, possibly by his own words (though not intended)
The scariest thing about Austin's case, is that when the officers arrived at the scene. Austin yelled at them to shoot him. Saying "kill me now! Can't you see I'm eating humans"?
Crazy.
Yeah
Man you guys have been pumping out a crazy amount of videos lately. So thankful for you guys!
I am so so incredibly sorry for victims of violence ALWAYS. I am genuinely heartbroken and literally cried for poor, poor Austin tho. He was very obviously criminally insane and he truly does not belong in prison. He is one of very few people who does. The pain, fear, and child like way he was speaking to his dad was heart wrenching. 💔 I truly hope that he can get some much needed help, and somehow create a positive life for himself inside of whatever institution he's going to be spending the rest of his life in.
He was on bath salts and multiple other substances. 0 sympathy for that murderer
@@AMK544 Yeah let's just ignore the real toxicology and science, that was done by real professionals. It's always so much more accurate to just make it up in your own imagination, and base everything on your own ignorant emotional responses, am I right? I mean you a nobody who's only ever watched a documentary about the case, ya you are the one that is super smart, and knows what happened. Who needs a literal toxicology report anyway. 😂🤡 Great job rando person on the internet 👏 you and your incredible mental capacity has struck again! What would we do without you.
@@AMK544 yep. I bet if he wasn’t attractive, these women wouldn’t be saying they feel sorry for him.
The last one with the boys in the lake was a town over from where i grew up. My aunt would take us kids toy shopping everyweekend for YEARS just to drive them to that lake and leave them on the memorial for them. So sad😢
same! it was sad seeing the whole story
Austins case is one of many few that I actually feel for the murderer, mental health is absolutely no joke and when it comes to these ones where you can tell they're feeling guilt and remorse because they have no idea why they did it especially like where is schizophrenia and they're hallucinating, he sounded scared of what he did and what he's capable of and that's actually sad
That first story is fu&@ing insane when you listen to the details. There is a video where the cop who arrived on the scene describes everything. The dog would latch on and he would rip his arm out it’s mouth . Insane .
Watched a ton of these videos and this dude Austin is the only one I watched I felt sorry for. I got a full list of mental issues myself that's why I try to stay away from anyone. The thing I hate more than anything is when people try to use mental issues to hate on or hurt others.
Not sure why the narrator didn’t cover this crucial aspect of the story, but the dude was on bath salts. Don’t believe this piece of propaganda. He isn’t delusional. He isn’t schizophrenic. He was a massive drug user on a rampage and deserves zero sympathy.
It's hard to deal with mental health problems. People push it off as bs or attention seeking behavior. Dude, I'd give anything to be normal.
A-flucking-man. This is NOT what I'd have chosen to deal with my whole life. Much love to you ❤️
It’s unfortunate because people do fake mental illness for attention or to escape responsibility. It isn’t fair to those with real mental health issues and that’s why it’s hard to get people to take it seriously.
@@bigmona2741 makes it damn near impossible to get approved for disability as well. I have a cousin that's "shy". Shy stands for "she would rather spend all day in a casino than ever work a day in her life"
I do not for the life of me understand what on earth could of happened to Austin.. This case here in Florida is still so damn confusing because he came off to EVERYONE as an amazing and great kid and he just went straight psychotic break.. I would love to read his case files.. It's at the right age range when schizophrenia starts, paranoid along with hallucinations... I honestly believe he doesn't remember or knows what and why.. Watching him in the videos talking on the phone I know he's terrified..