Same video, but different titles according to nationally: - American: yeaah we are the best, just better, reason doesn't matter - Canadian: both F1 and Indy are equally great - Brits: Americans and their superiority complex again... - Italian: as long as their are buying our engines and tyres it doesn't matter
awesome cars are America's greatest contribution to the world. it's. it that we have a superiority complex. a lot of us in America are just raised to be competitive and to love anything with wheels. the problem with American society and he competitive mindset that's engrained, is there isn't often lessons in humility to balance that. and to be fair. the Aussies are the same way as we Americans are when it comes to muscle cars. they want to be the best. that's why I love Australian motorsports as an American.
@@preston2636 you just turned topic about F1/indy into an argument about muscle cars... Is that an American thing to do? Does it support the original comment? :D These are all jokes please there's no need for military action here. I surely don't want an american military base in my back garden
Question: "Why is audience watching F2, Indy, F3, NASCAR, F4, Xtreme-E, Formula E, even karting races rather than F1?" Answer: Because the cars in those series are much closer. In F1 there was only Mercedes for 7 years in a row. To enable one driver to break records. Not even for a good cause, just for politics. And we know one thing about politics: It's boooooorrrrring. Politics is boring. And chases away the audience.
@@cinegraphics touché Mercedes has been padding lewis’s stats but just say you havent been watching this season because the grid with the exception of Haas has become more competitive
Lap record at circuit of the americas: Indycar = 1:46 Formula 1 = 1:32 14 seconds is a huge difference. That is the same difference between a Lamborghini and a Mini Cooper going round silverstone. It isn't even close
I went to an Indycar race at Watkins Glen, a few years ago. and the race itself almost wasn’t the main event. The pits were wide open. The Ferrari challenge series and some Fiat Club were there as well. There was also a Maserati MC12 in the pits. The whole experience was crazy cool.
American racing is a for the people kind of event, while F1 seems too be more posh. NASCAR is a great experience as a fan, as on TV you can see the drivers in their cars taking questions from the commentators, fans often get souviners like lugnuts or tires (i have a ton of hats from the pit crew of team penske, as well as lugnuts and an unused tire), and the atmosphere is just relaxed and happy.
@@antonym24 Yeah, at the Glen I basically strolled into the pits no questions asked. Saw Mario Andretti driving around on a scooter and he stopped and chatted with my father and I for a bit.
I live in Campbell (30 minutes away from WGI) and try to go to every non NASCAR WGI event. Its just so inviting to race fans. Its too bad FIA won't let F1 return to WGI given its history with F1 It would actually be a good thing. Mexico, Texas, WGI, Canada
Welcome to American programming, it’s awful. Like a football(soccer) match takes at most 2 hours, an American football game takes around 4 hours to watch because of all the stoppages and commercials
Do you have any idea how many IndyCar Champions you have to go back before you find someone that was an "F1 leftover?" Scott Dixon, Josef Newgarden, Simon Pagenaud, Will Power, Ryan Hunter-Reay, Dario Franchitti... If you're an idiot you'll say Sebastien Bourdais I guess, but his IndyCar Championships came before his venture into F1, where the car was what sunk him. After that, we're looking at Sam Hornish Jr. , Dan Wheldon, Tony Kanaan, Cristiano da Matta... I mean, these are a lot of names disproving your point here, huh? Kinda like it was just a dumb thing you said.
Unless Hamilton, Verstappen or some of the top guy suddenly move to Indy, I can't see how F1 is losing their driver. It's like when MotoGP rider move to WSBK. They move because thay had no contract extension or simply can't compete with the big teams.
Hamilton made $63 million last year in F1. The highest paid Indycar driver was Takuma Sato at only $1.4 million. So that's over 60 million reasons to stick with F1.
Important point: since F1 cars have never driven on a speedway, they have *never been configured for a speedway.* If you hold a race on one, teams will have to bring an aero package specifically for the event.
@Farith Robledo they race at the Circuit of the Americas. Texas Motor Speedway is a different track. Circuit of the Americas is a road course. Texas Motor Speedway is an oval track.
@Farith Robledo F1 drivers are subject to the same laws of physics so they would not allow them to use the full potential of F1 spec adapted to ovals because of safety
@Farith Robledo Uh whut? Lol no that's the exact opposite: Indycar teams can bring whichever wing package suits them. If you're trying to keep it even, then it's a "run what ya brung" race, whereby the two series' totally different priorities result in the same situation: one decimates the other on a particular course, whilst the tables are turned and the other decimates the one on the different course. To wit, Indycar shows up & runs COTA; it's another race for them & their outright performance does NOT stack up to F1; F1 could NOT show up at the speedways - btw I'm superbiased in favor of speedways because if a car "can" do 240 mph, then let's see it... lap after lap after lap of close, wheel-to-wheel racing! Look 180 kph-65 kph-145 kph corners is cool, it really is, but it's just not needed here; I'm an OG from F1's V12 days, so I really am with you until it comes time for the off-track soap opera-dram that is F1 goes away and the racing 🥱 begins.
I’m so sick of people arguing.. Can we all just agree that both of these Motorsport Leagues are both great in their own way. I wish INDYCAR would go international
"Mom, can we have F1?" "We have F1 at home." *looks at F2 "No no, the other one" "The place with circles?" "Yes" *looks at Nascar "No, the other one" "The place where F1 drivers give up the dream of being in F1?" "That's the one. Took ya long enough"
Hey hey... did you know that in terms of geometry an oval is not a circle but in terms of racing every track in the world is a circle? :) Also icydk - Indy and F1 share the same roots, Indy is the older series and most Indy drivers aren't former F1 drivers? :)
@@FloosWorld_AoE hey hey do you know what a joke is ? Also they didn't say indy car consists of majority ex F1 drivers, just where F1 drivers go after they give up the dream of racing in F1.
@@notshubhransh A joke has to be original and funny to be considered as one so no - this "ovals = circles haha left turn" thing is not a joke No, it isn't. It's just one series amongst many.
Lots of ignorance in that ‘joke’. It looks like the video just attracted and triggered the more toxic elements of the F1 fandom…and fandoms are by nature pretty nasty places.
The f1 teams wouldent alow it with a current spec car sadley they are that protective of there secrets best you might get is a late 2000's spec car thats not even used for testing anymore
Exactly the same for me! That is why I have no problem when someone is dominating but don't confuse this with me thinking it's fun to watch because it isn't. But if you have come up with a ground breaking solution you should get rewarded for it which is usually the case if you dominating. Also then it's up to the competition to catch up which is part of the fun, imo. But it's interesting when a team gets "hate" for dominating I mean "hate" on the teams that wasn't as smart as the dominating team instead. Sometimes a dominating team is made out to be some kind of villain but at the same time I guess that narrative creates some drama in the paddock and sells headlines for the media. And we the fans have something to discuss also 😁
9:43 damn that engineering degree came up a bit short on this explaination Downforce doesn’t affect power to weight at all, it just increases grip for corners, and adds a lot of drag of course Really weird that drag was hardly even mentioned in explaining why the F1 car has a lower top speed since he’s talked about it before
is kinda odd he did that. Point is the downforce does relate to drag but not 1:1 And the expensive bit is getting more downforce with less drag. Aero just a tiny bit more slippery for the same downforce is fuel efficiency just a smidge more downforce for the drag is grip. So the
Yeah, funny thing is I had the same thought experiment a number if years ago. And realized that yeah, the motor is fighting the drag and not the increased "weight" due to down force.
I KNOW RIGHT! Drag, sure... Rolling resistance, small increase but yes.... But wtf with the weight man, mass doesn't have anything with the downforce. I can't believe we had to mention this here.
F1 is great to watch but ultimately boring because the end result has been so predictable for the last 10 years, Mercedes and Redbull are essentially the only teams who can win besides the occasional Ferrari in 2nd or 3rd for the season
As a F1 fan I agree, I don't think it's necessarily boring, it's just that the grid has been stupidly unfair and unbalanced for the past few years, leading to more predictable races, I still enjoy watching the sport, we still get good and close racing just not very often, I'm a huge fan of both Formula 1 and Indycar, both have their pros and cons, something like better about Indycar is that the grid is more balanced and overall the sport is more accessible to get into, something I like more about Formula 1 is how it's more iconic and it's the biggest motorsport in the world and it's a worldwide sport and more diverse when it comes to the tracks and locations Indycar 🤝 Formula 1
I like vintage racing better than modern. Those old car's just dance all over the track and the drivers have to man handle them. Modern race car's with all there electronics make the cars predicable. Lap after lap of little to no action just keeping there places for the most part.
Thanks for the Video title that just invites an argument. That being said, I'll bite. This video does nothing to explain why Indy is better than F1. It only explains why Indy is less expensive than F1. Claiming Indy cars are faster is bullshit. If F1 designed and trimmed out a car for an "Oval" they would be just as fast or faster. But as you mentioned, on a road course like COTA. where the track is the same, the F1 cars are 11+ Seconds faster per lap On a 1:30 Lap for an F1 car (I Believe it's more, but ehh). Which means in less than Ten Laps an F1 Car would Lap an Indy Car in a 60+ lap race. That being said, I am not trying to look down on Indy Car vs F1. They are completely different things. People don't seem to understand F1 is a Constructors Championship (IE: Who can build the fastest car) Indy is a drivers championship. One where F1 drivers win, Like Erickson. F1 is about developing the highest level of technology and eventually having that trickle down to road cars. IE: Soon they will be using BIO Fules. They are completely different things and there is no more reason to compare them than there is to compare MMA to Boxing. But as an American, I can see why people from other Countries see something like this, with it's completely incomplete context and think American's are snobs. All that being said - How many retired or fired Indy car drivers become F1 drivers vs the other way around? Clearly it's much easier to drive in Indy car vs F1, regardless of cost and all the other factors mentioned.
I agree and look at what the F1 teams did during Covid using their technology to design respirators . A lot of F1 technology ends up improving road cars
Indycar cars are much faster at top speed when they use the oval setup where they use only 500 HP of power but with the aerodynamics simplified to the maximum. Comparing both on road circuits is stupid because F1 has many advantages: more than 300 horsepower, superior downforce, power steering, much better mechanical grip, electronic aids, etc. Indycar can also be much faster on road circuits, do you forget that Dallara manufactures the HAAS cars and the Japanese super-formula cars that have a cornering similar to F1? Indy in the 80-90s already had engines of more than 1000 hp and they were only 3 to 5 seconds slower than F1 at that time and only because they were more aerodynamically unloaded. The FIA does everything possible so that no indy driver races in F1, instead indy accepts any driver whether it is from F1 or supercars, it is mainly a matter of regulations and money.
Ive been following F1 and really enjoy it but most of what he said is true and accurate. Especially the cost to fans. F1 tickets/fan packages (if you can even get them) are ridiculously expensive. My son and I went to an Indy series race in Alabama several years ago and dropped less than $600 for the entire weekend, including hotel and pit passes. Indycar wins on that point!
Sorry, just not a fan of every team having the same chassis’. I appreciate the differences in the car and how they all preform better or worse on different tracks
this is exactly why each season of F1 is getting worse for me, everyone has the same parts, it was fun when F1 cars were different from each other, now they are becoming indycars by each year
On the matter of fuel economy, it should be pointed out that Formula 1 still uses gasoline while IndyCar has been running on alcohol for decades. Alcohol has less energy density than gasoline, so the mileage is less. Being able to refuel at pit stops really helps in that regard. The reason IndyCar went with alcohol is fire safety: An alcohol fire can be doused with water.
Having watched f1 live and had one of my relatives compete in a lower tier formula series (formula 4 and 3) I prefer f1, but indycar is great and would love to watch it more often
Downforce units are in kgf, wich is different from kg. Kg is mass and kgf is force. Two different things. Mass dos not change (exept from the fuel burned), but (down)force changes with velocity in a race car.
F1 is like going to a concert with classical music and then going for dinner in a luxurious restaurant. IndyCar is like going to woodstock and after that going to McDonalds and getting drunk later on. One gives you sofisticated entertainment, other gives you raw fun. These two series are different and that's why there is the triple crown of motorsport: win MonacoGP/whole F1 championchip, win Indy500 and win 24h Le Mans. Also, there is more F1 pilots that were dropped out and then went to IndyCar than IndyCar drivers that were so good that they tried it in/were drafted to F1(only example I can think of at the moment is Jaques Villnevue).
Not a good comparison. One is about the drivers the other is about the cars and drivers. It is good for the world to have engineering completion combined with driving on the limit. Attending the race in Monaco with your yacht is a posh event, but watching on TV not so much. So less than 1% is in the luxurious restaurant, 99% are pub with bear (considered a better option than McDonalds).
@@natashakuzmanoska9656 But that's the thing: Technical competition doesn't attract wider audience. That's why Drive to survive is so popular and Lando Norris popularity is also based on that(not saying it's bad or that he is a bad driver). F1 is more for posh people, that's why Rolex does sponsor F1 and not Indycar(or other sports like Football). To watch it for the technical side, you just have to be interested in the technic behind it and for that you need also a bit more knowledge. To that is also conected the fact that because of the technical competition the role of the drivers is less important so it's harder to watch it just for the drivers side. My point is not in how you watch it, but why you watch it. If I was interested only in the driver side then yes, I would rather watch Indy or even Nascar, but I am not. I am interested in why Mercedes is slower than last year and why both RedBulls didn't finish and that's something that I just won't find in Indycar.
@@stanislavkos3723 Android is not for the super reach :). Somehow it works, maybe people discussing that who is a better driver, when they are in different teams and you have no idea what is car capability, so there is no way to prove you point. So it has a doze of mystery, expectation , rarely excitement (last season excluded) but it works. And seems that we are going to get good season this year.
@@natashakuzmanoska9656 F1 is without excitement? Have I got news for you: over 100 million people watched the final race of the 2021 season. You clearly don't care about technical side of F1 and you don't understand it. The question is: Are you just too lazy to care or are you too dumb to care? You can predict how a car is going to perform, but to do that you actualy have to do something. If you say F1 is boring, why are you watching Motorsport altogether. If you want just people fight over something, go and watch some drunkheads fighting in the street(unless one of them gets some kind of a weapon it's pretty even), it's cheap and you can join if you want to.
The thing that IndyCar does better is, of course, how easy it is compared to F1 for a team to get into, for comparison, just to enter to F1 in a new team, by making one from scratch, you have to pay ~200M dollars to the other teams, and most teams want this number to increase. Now I am not a fan of oval racing, so I'd rather have F1
Love your channel, great video. Just one correction (around 9:40), the power to weight ration doesn't change with downforce, the mass at a given instant is constant regardless of speed. The cost of downforce is drag (the dominant force at high speeds) and to some lesser extent tyre friction. Regards
While it is true that the mass at a given time is (for all practical purposes) constant, the additional speed will add a downward component which will increase the effective weight. Drag is the component of resistance which opposes the direction of travel, so the drag force is not exactly the same as the increased downforce. Tire friction is increased as the normal force is increased with higher effective wind speed.
he is talking about the how the front wings are design to increase downforce(as the air flows from top to underneath the car, it applies force) to increase traction and make the car stick to the ground, increased traction = more speed
that too is because of all the formula 1 drivers we know have ventured there. if not for kevin and romain winning there, id never know much about indycar.
Conor Daly hit 243.724 mph in 2022 Indy 500 practice heading into turn one. What makes F1 cars "faster" is not their "speed" but their insane braking ability and acceleration ability.
I like that in Indy and Nascar they try to keep the cars on a level playing field so it's a drivers battle. In F1 and Touring Car racing it is mostly a money and tech battle which is cool, but I watch sports to watch people compete not to watch a battle of who's pockets are deepest.
Realistically, if F1 would actually race on a track like Indianapolis Motor Speedway. They wouldn't run their usual high downforce setup. They would run it with a low downforce, low drag IMS setup and smash the speed record set by an Indycar.
Just FYI, you are confusing downforce and drag when it comes to the different top speeds. ;) And Indy aero is slightly more complicated than what one engineer can figure out in an afternoon...
IndyCar shows exactly how good Americans are in racing car building, the chassis is made by an Italian manufacturer and one of the engine suppliers is Japanese, the gearbox is from Xtrac a British manufacturer, the OZ rims are also Italian as also the Brembo brakes...
9:40 that's exactly how it doesn't work. The engine pushes the mass of the car, and while the "weight" (vertical force) is increased, mass isn't. Sometimes i'm amazed by how simple concepts get explained wrong
Yeah. And even though weight is a term that is thrown around very carelessly, it is easy to understand that propulsive force acts along the x axis, downforce along y. But yes, I was also very surprised to hear that he got that as badly wrong as he did
Good stuff. thanks! I've always loved NASCAR, so I really like "ovals" and so yaa, ok, Indy cars. But know what? I _love_ *love **_love_* F1, and for 1 clear reason: the suspense and drama of overtaking and passing on a track with all those twists and curves! (I really dislike chicane.) But for sure I know more about Indy now than I did previously, so again: *_thanks!_*
F1 fans are generally ignorant to other forms of racing, when in reality F1 is pretty boring compared to almost every other racing series. 5 races for F1 we've seen two winners and one maybe two passes for the lead if we are lucky. Three winners in four races for IndyCar, and Nascar we've seen 10 winners in 12 races which makes the racing far superior to F1. I respect the engineering in F1, but it seems like cost caps aren't really improving the show on track. This is coming from someone who watches every F1 race.
Indy races are really enjoyable. We got paddock passes for cheap and spent the day browsing the different vendors. Honda had several of the S2000 club cars of Alabama come out and each driver was introduced on one. They had a car show outside the races. There was even a Ferrari f40 on display. I got to experience the sound of a NASCAR up close. I sat in a racing spec Honda Odyssey. Honda showed off their new Civic Si’s on the track and a rogue regular Honda Odyssey joined them 😂 . We watched the Porsche’s race in the rain before the Indy cars raced. It was great fun. This was at Barber Motorsports in Alabama. The racetrack is very difficult because it’s intended for motorcycles.
In terms of race excitement IndyCar and F1 can't hold a candle to the kings F2 and MotoGP, nothing beats the on track action of those 2. F2 being a spec series like IndyCar and MotoGP a costructor's championship like F1.
100% agree, but I'd say that Moto3 is even better than MotoGP ( love MotoGP though), I mean, almost every Moto3 race there's like 10 riders crossing the line within 1 second of each other, just ridiculous.
MotoGP is awesome, but having been twice and having watched Marquez and Repsol dominate in person twice, I feel like it can be much like F1 in that regard. Moto3; however, is intense.
@@adamsteinhardt6393 Yeah for sure it can, but even when Marc dominated, he had to fight for many wins at the end of races, many times against Dovi, Lorenzo, Rossi, Quartararo in Thailand and so on, When F1 drivers win races, they very, very rarely have to battle till the end of races to win, they start on pole and simply smoke everyone off the line, that's a big difference to me, even the boring MotoGP races are way easier to watch than boring F1 races because they only last 40 minutes and not 2 hours.
@@adamsteinhardt6393 And also I feel dominations in MotoGP are more impressive than in F1 because it's not only about having a good bike it's more about if you're good or not on it, look at Marc for example, dominated with a really tricky honda that only he could ride well when his teammates would struggle to get into Q2, I'm not downplaying the F1 drivers but I think you need more talent to dominate in MotoGP and not just a good machine, and about moto3, it's fucking awesome, makes MotoGP look dull lol
@@Maidenintime86 true, but for me as an engineer, the most entertaining part honestly is not the racing but all the effort that goes into the cars. I like F1 because the engineering is a major component of the race
Regarding the engines, anyone can buy a fully rebuilt, Dyno tested, NASCAR Cup series engine with 955 hp (give or take one Clydesdale), for about 35k. No computers, no fussy electronics, no hybrid crap, and no turbos needed. No, your Grandma's Olds Vista Cruiser won't get 30mpg, nor will it be the quietest car in the Bingo parking lot. But she will get to church first.
I am literally laughing my ass off right now...Australia is packed with fans for qualifying, while Texas is literally barren stands...IndyCar better? Laughable...old cars and no fans...its a JOKE.
ok so in 2006, Honda designed an f1 car with no aero package except for little fin at the back. it then reached a top speed of 413.205 kph (256.75 mph). now that was with only the fourth best car, imagine speed they could reach today with their engine power.
Let's do something silly and revive IROC...the "International Race of Champions". Open wheel on an oval track (Indy)...then open wheel on a high speed road course (Monza)....then high bank in stock cars (Daytona) so the F1 guys can do something relaxing....then a top fuel dragster.....and then just for fun, make em hop the ferry to the Isle of Man and we'll see who has the epic guts it takes for 6 laps on two wheels. Who would emerge number one?
@@FloosWorld_AoE Come man.. on any a real circuit an F1 would destroy an Indycar like the circuit of the americas for example where they are around 14secs by lap.
@@Azzamilano What's a "real circuit"? A non-oval? IndyCar has those as well, they're the majority. And well.. IndyCar are somewhere in speed between F1 and F2 and will be faster within the next few years thanks to the new engine rules they're applying. And you know, as a motorsport lover I absolutely hate the arrogance which comes from F1 die hard fans that never ever bothered to watch an Indy race or even season.
@@jordanbowen6136 not really most drivers in IndyCar are all good enough for F1 but don't have the money. Someone like Grosjean should be in F1 but just had bad cars so couldn't compete at the front so was look at as a bad driver but with IndyCar everyone has a chance to win because its equal
I did a lap in Monaco. It was in a Renault with a couple of gals in the car with me. Interesting part is the F1 race was in about 10 days and they were already setting up the grandstands and pits.
I have done laps at Indy. There is a program where you can learn how to drive an Indycar. The last I knew it was $1000. They have the speeds governed at 180 mph, which is much slower than the 230 mph the pros drive. But, it's plenty fast enough for a newbie, especially since you are sitting so low, it feels very fast.
The thing with F1 is that it ain't always competitive, unlike indy where all teams are very close. But a competitive F1 season is something no other sport can match. That's just my opinion
I would agree but I think it's because F1 nowadays is so dominated by 2-3 teams every year, when it does get competitive people take notice because it's unusual. But that's just my opinion too as an F1 fan
The other thing is that part of what makes F1 so interesting over indycar is the ridiculously intricate politics. Half of it is the off-track drama lol
There's way more variance in F1. Great F1 is better than great IndyCar, but bad F1 is worse than bad IndyCar. Plus F1 has the engineering component, which is super appealing to some of us
Not exactly losing them, it's more like a place were F1 drivers without a seat and young guys that don't get their chance in F1 can go, and it's great because Indycar is the biggest open wheel series outside F1.
i'm a huge Formula1-Fan since i can remember (around end of the 80's - the clearest Memorys from early 90's) but Indy Cart is the better Series for "Driver can make the Difference" and for "pure racing" - but F1 is still the Top-Series over all - i hope the Teams come nearer to eachother in the following Years (new Cars, Budgetcap...). but yes, Indy-Cart is the best open-wheel-series after Formula 1. i wish i could watch it (and NASCAR) in Switzerland :-/
@@DeshWitus well if you're ever in the states for a race I suggest being in the infield, it's a fun vibe just a day event talking with strangers about anything and day drinking. Indy 500 is a great experience
@@DeshWitus Cause F1 in its orginal was not a competition between drivers, but between car manufacturers, it was to see who can buy the fastest car, later on driver skills were of importance as well.
I'm really glad that Romain and Kevin found a motorsport they can enjoy and actually be competitive in. HAAS is a freaking curse for drivers lol and I pray for Mick Schumacher in his upcoming years. EDIT: I'm going to have to revoke what I said in this comment after seeing Kevin in the HAAS out-qualify George in the Mercedes today. Looking forward to an exciting race tomorrow! P.S. Forza Ferrari Edit Part 2: Mick scored his first points in F1 finally. P.P.S. I wish Ferrari would get it together.
I started watching f1 drive to survive (terrible name) recently and Haas is where talent goes to die in grosjeans case the Bahrain Grand Prix was close
With the rumors that Chip G has "wooed" Grojean and Coines will bring in Albon next year... F1 is still the best, but Indycar is where the rest will play. The guys who can't play int the tippy top still havs a chance to rock n roll at what they love. 😃
Downforce does produce drag and that makes the car slower but that's beside the point, downforce doesn't increase mass but you can sort of argue it increases weight
@@07_danishwistara29 heh, that's an interesting point. The engine is moving the mass, not the weight. Also, ground effect aero increases downforce while barely adding any drag
5 G's means 5 times earths gravity... So its just a wrong term to use when talking static downforce. I think he meant the cars can pull 5 G's of lateral force in the corners... But most American shows really dont give a shit about being accurate :/ Unless its smarter every day, but even he tries to dumb it down so much. Still love destin regardless, keeps everyone on the same page
@@Captain_Coleslaw I think donut media is well researched most of the time. I mean with the amount of content they post you can’t really fault them for a couple of blips here and there
While I enjoy watching indy from time to time I wouldn’t say F1 is losing drivers. Those who changed to indy basically lost a seat in f1, I can’t imagine a F1 driver in his prime switching on purpose
Totally agree. The drivers that head to Indy car are generally the ones who couldn't compete in F1, even in the midfield. If you look at the opposite, there have been a few top caliber Indy drivers (Seb Bourdais for example) who come to F1 and are terrible.
I realize that this happened decades ago, and this is really the only time I remember something like this happening, but........... Nigel Mansell switched the year after he won his '92 f1 championship..... Of course he then won the cart championship in '93. Again I know this was a LONG time ago, and it really doesn't hold true today in the context of what you are saying. Kimi and Fernando both took time off of F1, but Kimi only competed in 2 nascar truck races, and Fernando only ran the Indy 500 once. The following year he attempted but failed to qualify at Indy. So yeah the F1 series is a proven test ground for future Indycar talent, but no one with a pulse is EVER going to call F1 a feeder series. FORZA FERRARI!! 🏁
mercades suck now, and they have won the last 6 titles. So F1 is great to marvel but its sometimes easy come, easy go. Makes it harder as fan to believe ur man at any given season can get ruined with some changes to rules. Vettle for example was owning(4 titles in a row) now he cant win anything. Then hamiltion wins 7 in a row, now some random in was shit ferrari is now winning. Hard to bother watching so indy in this regard does not have this radical leader swaps.
These 2 sports are different and should both be enjoyed by everyone. F1 is awesome for one thing and Indy car for another. Like on some weekends waking up early to watch an f1 race and Waiting for the afternoon for an indy race.
Makes me think of the video where Tom Scott talks about how so many people are just saying stuff without any citations or references and asking you to trust them. Errors like this are in my opinion quite devastating for the trustworthiness of a channel like Donut Media. th-cam.com/video/leX541Dr2rU/w-d-xo.html&ab_channel=TheRoyalInstitution
@@lambda6iceman Downforce isnt the same as weight. The only disadvantages from downforce is the aerodynamic drag which wings create, and the weight of the wings itself. If what this video was suggesting was true, then big trucks would be a good option at the indy 500😂
@@lambda6iceman With 5 Gs of aerodynamic downforce it means the car is experiencing an APPARENT weight of 5 times gravity. If you could measure the force each tire was pushing down on the track at that moment, then adding them up would indeed equal 5 times the car's weight. But, this has nothing to do with the car's actual mass, or weight, which isn't really changing at all. The engine of a high downforce car has to work harder because high aerodynamic downforce cars also produce relatively high aerodynamic drag, not because the weight of the vehicle is changing. Sorry, but Donut dropped the ball on this one. Jeremiah, or whoever wrote this episode is displaying a fundamental ignorance of physics, and he refers to the same concept a few times, so this isn't a momentary lapse of reason, he's married to the idea.
Thing is Indy is more F2 than F1 in a few ways. They both use manual steering, similar spec chassis and even the power unit. F1 and Indy are different levels.
But the difference is how competitive the field is. Not two drivers winning, but a whole field of competitive driver and they also can hit 230 mph and have amazing close racing. F1 isn’t attainable and is corrupt. The drivers talent is shown rather than the car
You are comparing apples to oranges…Indy is far more than a ‘spec’ series. There are too many differences to the series to compare the two, but Indy is unfortunate enough to be somewhat similar and therefore attracts the vitriol and hate of F1 fans..not Motorsport fans, who can appreciate multiple series, but ‘F1 fans’ who only follow the single Motorsport and see bashing Indy as an opportunity to be petty and often attaching snide comments aimed at Americans in general. And often the bashers are British I have noticed! What is with British sports fans?! They are truly the epitome of toxic.
@@mamavswild I am comparing F2 to Indy as F1 and Indy are not comparable as every F1 driver can be an Indy driver, but not every Indy driver can be an F1 driver. You need a special licence for F1 and you need to have success in Indy or F2 to get the licence. Once you have that licence (Superlicence) you can race anything. F2 cars are very similar to Indy Cars in size and engines, even the same company makes the chassis. Just look up the specifications of an F2 car and an Indy car and you will see exactly that. F2 is a 100% spec series and IndyCar is a 90% spec series in that Indy has two types of engines to choose from where F2 has one, otherwise in both you are limited to minor setup changes with every other component made to the same specifications by a single manufacturer. In F1, everything is custom made by the teams and you have 4 power unit suppliers. Teams have vastly different design concepts and some cars may look similar, but their designs are quite different. Some components are “spec” and made by one manufacturer and some can be shared by teams, but as a whole, F1 teams must design their own cars. Christian Lundgaard made the direct jump from F2 to Indy and said it was fairly easy for him to be competitive because they are quite similar cars. Drivers who have driven F1 cars who have not had remarkable results in F1 will usually get results in Indy and prolong their open wheel careers by competing in IndyCar. Examples would be Sato, Montoya, Ericsson, and Grosjean to name a few. F1 is the pinnacle of motorsport and the cars are more powerful, more complex and you need a higher skill and athletic level to drive them in comparison to IndyCar. You can see it in the drivers. I think what can make international motorsport fans a bit uncomfortable is when people try to say that Indy and F1 are at an equal level of motorsport, when it is not. Even this article tried to suggest that and it can be interpreted in a negative way. To be clear I’m not British and I watch all kinds of racing from F1, F2, Endurance racing, rally car and also Indy. Everything I have said comparing the two is factual and I do not think there is any bashing of anyone here.
@@Frozander Kimi won't retire as long as he can physically drive :D But I still don't think Mick will ever go to Indycar. I mean his name alone can get him a seat in F1 anytime he wants (and he's not bad either)
@@Inferiis Rumours said Haas put up for sale, so probably Andretti snatch the bargain instead create expensive team and Mick might head to Alfa Romeo after Kimi retire from F1.
@@ThePaulz80 Andretti can't compete with Daddy Mazepin when it comes to buying Haas. Mazepin will buy Haas with spare change he finds in his dacha's couch, so Lil'Nicky can keep his seat.
I like the standard set of drivers in F1 that appear in every race with maybe an exception or two every year along with the distinctive liveries of mostly solid colors that are identical between teammates. It makes it easy to keep track of who is who on the racetrack. In indycar I have no idea who is who.
Tried watching Indy this season, the cars liveries changed almost weekly! One week, Grosjean was in a mostly orange car, the following week the car was green! How are you supposed to follow your favourite driver when its like playing 'Where's Waldo?' At 200mph? Also, Indy cars are soulless.
The best commonality between Indy Car and F1 is that both the current Indy Car aero regulations and the upcoming F1 rules have created good looking open wheel race cars.
@@Rltvader1 As much as I want to see how 22 regs go for racing, the new cars look a little weird. Might just be because were all used to the current cars' look
@@stratis722 The "halo" ring thing is somewhat still distasteful to see. Had they modified it properly it would be very beautiful for both drivers, audiences, and the teams.
Takuma Sato: Left without an F1 drive when Super Aguri folded four races into 2008 Teo Fabi: Fabi had endured a miserable rookie F1 campaign with Toleman in 1982, failing to qualify seven times and retiring on a further six occasions Justin Wilson: Wilson's experience of F1 was brief, a single season split between Minardi and Jaguar in 2003 a poor return for the promise he'd shown in winning the 2001 International Formula 3000 crown Dan Gurney: Nothing I can find. While competing in Formula One, Gurney also raced each year in the Indianapolis 500 from 1962 to 1970. Alexander Rossi: Rossi made no bones when he started his IndyCar career in 2016 that he would wait to see what opportunities opened up in F1 before committing his future to the US. But that changed after he took a shock Indianapolis 500 victory in his rookie year, which set him up for a fruitful Stateside switch. Jim Clark: History of racing different series at the same time. Never fully switched from F1 to Indy/Champcar. Bobby Rahal: Made his F1 debut with Wolf in the two North American races of 1978 after impressing in European F3. But hopes of a full-time drive in 1979 were dashed by new arrival James Hunt's insistence on a one-car operation and when Peter Warr over-looked Rahal to replace a demotivated Hunt mid-year, he returned to the US to race sportscars until motel mogul Jim Trueman approached him to set up an Indycar team. Alex Zanardi: Zanardi's F1 career with Jordan, Minardi and Lotus was a classic case of promise unfulfilled. Emerson Fittipaldi: Fittipaldi's Indycar career was a fruitful Indian summer for the double world champion, who had called time on his racing career after retiring from F1 in 1980. Nigel Mansell: He had won the 1992 world championship at a canter in the superior FW14B, but couldn't agree on a new contract with Frank Williams and accepted Carl Haas' offer of a fresh challenge in Indycar with Newman/Haas Racing. Etc.
Got into Indy this year because of Grosjean and I’ve been loving it. F1 is awesome because of the theatrics and grand scale of it all but Indy is cool because of the DIY feeling of it and the fact that it puts the racing first.
Downforce actually increases the frictional force between the tires and the track *without* increasing the car's mass. That's the whole point, otherwise your cornering acceleration is limited to your friction coefficient x gravity. Since the wings run at such high (negative) angles of attack, they make a sh*tton of drag though, which limits the speed.
@@joeyjohnson4826 By gravity, I mean the gravitational acceleration (9.8 m/s/s on Earth) which is independent of mass. He literally said that downforce increases the weight of the car, which is incorrect. Downforce squeezes the car against the track harder while still keeping the car light.
@@mikekalb nah you're wording it wrong. if you look at the design philosophy behind the r35 gtr the car was purposefully made heavier to force the tires against the ground and deliver more grip, therfore the increased weight from downforce increases frictional grip.
@@mikekalb weight is simply mass x acceleration. If you're providing an extra force that pushes down (downforce) which adds to gravity, your car's weight increases. Its mass does not.
@Shannon Rehwinkel I never commented on the racing. You're right, it doesn't necessarily make it any better but I enjoy reading about the advancements the teams make. As it happens, I find oval racing incredibly boring (the rest of Indy seems fine to me). That's just my taste, it's great there are different options for different people
@@honkhonk8009 True, but regulations are there to stop things from spiraling out of control. If it was an open formula, then the series would eventually die. Just look at what happened to Group C racing.
@@honkhonk8009 If you think in the short term, then that can be the case. Long term however, engineers find workarounds, loopholes and innovations to gain whatever advantage they can. It's a bit like how corporate regulation can sometimes actually increase competition and profitability
The conundrum that I have: The big thing I like about Indy is how competitive the racing is. The thing I hate about Indy is that all the cars are the same. The thing I like about Indy is caused by the thing I hate! One of the things I like about F1 is that each team's cars are different, and there is a back and forth in the engineering war. The thing I hate is that this leads to some teams dominating the competition, lately for years at a time. The thing I hate F1 is caused by the thing I like!
Same here. Indy is better from a drivers stand point because everyone has an equal chance of winning, while in F1, you could have the best driver on the grid that deserves to win everything in a midfield or slowest car and they won't win anything. Vettel could have easily been a 7 time champion by now if he was with Mercedes instead of Lewis, and the same could be said about many of the drivers there. But it's the fact it's an engineering war between the teams that make me like that sport better than F1
It's the same reason why I enjoy nascar so much. It's a toss up, every time. Random drivers can (and do) win races quite often, and the aggressiveness of the driving is amazing. F1 seems like a battle between the 2 best teams, with everybody else just there to fill the grid spots.
@@bobjohn2000 I liked NASCAR better when the race cars were at least based on production vehicles. I understand why that couldn't continue, but it is just another spec racing series now, with an extremely screwy championship system. I don't even mind it being mostly boring oval tracks, but it would be nice if there were more road races. It is absolutely hilarious when they call the cars a Ford, Chevy, or Toyota.🤣
tbh Indy is more entertaining. the rule package for next year in F1 may improve the racing but Indy is a lot more competitive. anybody can win at any track.
The caption text interpreted saying that an F1 engine can make "a thousand horsepower" to can make "8,000 horsepower" That's a LOT MO' POWA' BABY!!!!!!
Well I definitely heard him say "8,000 horsepowers" and wondered just what he was talking about. Then I glanced at the screen and saw that it was supposed to be a thousand... I'm not surprised the speech recognition created capitation saying 8,000...
I love Indycar because I don’t know who’s going to win any given week. F1 has stretches where you can predict which teams or drivers will win with pretty good accuracy. F1 feels very commercial whereas indy car feels very raw. However, I love racing and I love both for multiple reasons
I sometimes feel you can know who will win the GP in F1 since thr practice session, you could be sure on qualy, race day is just like: "Ok lets see how the field after the 10th place finishes.
F1 is a quantum mechanics-level paradox: It is the least competitive series in motorsport AND it is the most competitive series in motorsport. I've had a ton of fun learning about it on TH-cam and because the storylines and power dynamics seem to play out over such long periods, videos breaking down each season of the championship have been great fun to go through. But having completely predictable races that are sometimes devoid of passing (oh excuse me, "overtaking") gives me no incentive to heavily follow it week-to week-and watch the races. Granted, I am an uncultured swine who grew up watching NASCAR, but in all seriousness I find it incredibly hard to enjoy sports leagues that are fully uncapped and are nearly exclusively won by the teams that spent the most money. I have to imagine anyone that is a Mercedes fan is the kind of person whose other favorite teams are the Yankees, Patriots, Lakers, and Man U. Just the worst kind of sports fan. That all being said, I would kill to watch the F1 drivers run a race in the IndyCars (totally spec). It would be extremely fun and possibly enlightening to see the F1 drivers race against each other on a completely even playing field. So many arguments and what-ifs could be answered for F1 fans! Also perhaps some surprises...perhaps Mazepin smokes the field out of nowhere!! (Ok...definitely kidding on that one but maybe we'll never know who the greatest F1 driver of all time is...in theory it could be someone that had a mediocre career because they always had shit equipment.)
@@extragoogleaccount6061 only problem is see is the patriots were in fact under a cap system. Brady is a generational talent and bellichek is the best coach to ever walk the sidelines. All the other teams I Wholeheartedly agree though.
Hello, Donut dudes! Love the video, but you got a bit of it wrong. Romain Grosjean and Kevin Magnussen didn’t race in the 2021 Indy 500. While they’ve both ran Indy Car races this year, they skipped that one.
@@kurtispotts9097 his run at Gateway, while not a good finishing position at the end, gave him the confidence to do a full-season to include more ovals. If you watched the Gateway race, he was easily the man to watch as he was making passes that are usually too risky as either you are likely to catch the wall or wear through your tires faster if you manage to save your car.
Indy car has better racing, it is more competitive and it has more drivers. F1 isn't the pinnacle of racing, it's an engineering competition. If you watch F1 for the racing, you're doing it wrong
@@nvrndingsmmr Indy didn't have enough talented people to make R&D of these cars, and that's why it's spec car series and indycars are made by Europeans(dallara) xD
@@patrykroszak7339 That's just stupid. Spec is cost cutting measures and recovery from the CART/IRL split that about ruined OWR in the States. And the chassis used by Indycar are researched, developed, and made in Indianapolis Indiana, in the good ole USA.
The nice thing about indy is that since all of the cars are relatively the same, driver skill is a lot more important when your opponents can't just out spend you on parts and research. They actually have to outdrive you.
When you spend 150milion developing an F1 car you will pay the best drivers in the world to drive it. Driver skill has to be the ultimate otherwise you have thrown your money away. The F1 drivers also help to develop the car. They are recognised as the best drivers out their and F1 is ruthless if your standard drops.
@@bjs7442 I mean, half the time they're really not paying the drivers, it's more the drivers paying them. Latifi, Stroll, Mazepin, and now Zhou are in their seats because their dad's bring tens of millions in sponsorship money, not because they're the best. If that were the case, you'd see drivers like Ilott and Piastri being moved up from F2 instead.
@@detCap First Ilott is currently a test driver for Ferrari and reserve driver for Alfa. He came 2nd in 2020 in F2 so he has been recognised. Piastri has moved up and is now Alpines reserve driver . So not first team but inline for F1 . Similar to Lando who was reserve driver for Mclaren. When we look at the so called pay drivers. Latifi came second in F2 with 4 wins and beat George Russell on Sunday. Stroll won F4 and European F3 and Zhou came 2nd in F2 with three wins and was test driver for Renault last year. So yes you may classify them as pay drivers but they are also very talented drivers who have been in the top two in the lower divisions. They are capable of getting F1 drives without the money but with the money they are looked at more closely. That leaves Mazapin. He is less easy to justify except he was 5th in F2 and won the same number of races as Mick Schumacher and to be honest Haas would not be on the grid without him but he has struggled. So I would say three are their on merit and one is a paid driver. Only Hass really needs a paid driver.
F1 needs a balance of outdriving and outengineering. you couldn't put Nicholas Latifi in Red Bull's RB18 and expect him to win the championship, because he'd have a technological masterpiece underneath him but he couldn't drive the thing for jacksquat. and no, Latifi really ain't that great. he came 2nd in F2 but the grid that year wasn't very competitive (Schumacher, Zhou, etc. were rookies), and he's been convincingly beat by Russell (for 2 years) and Albono (for 7 races). it's pretty clear he's not up to snuff with the driving standard of F1. i don't think Stroll is either, since if you look at it Lawrence has been a major sponsor of both teams that Lance has raced for, and mayhaps he might have gotten into Williams by himself (i don't really know, i wasn't an F1 follower back then) but he definitely didn't get signed to Racing Point on merit. this is his 6th season in F1 and the only notable moments he's really had are Azerbaijan 2017, Turkey 2020, Monza 2020, and Sakhir 2020, and the latter two were almost definitely a result of circumstance
@@RyanXWing good and successful f1 drivers (not necessarily champions only) also drive in other series from time to time you never hear them saying that kinda thing. I don’t recall Alonso ever saying that he prefers indy, endurance or rally in fact he decided to go back to f1 to a non top team
at the very least kevin and roman had f1 podiums you don’t hear them saying that kinda thing, that comment is reserved for truly mediocre f1 careers like ericsson’s
Formula 1 feels incredibly elitist to me, whereas NASCAR and IndyCar are both more open. This year's Indy 500 and Coca Cola 600 were both amazing races
Indycar is like the Imperial system, the US is proud of having its own thing, even though the whole world uses the metric system, and watches F1.
😂😂
As an American, this analogy is great, cause i dont want the Imperal, and no 1 here like F1 but i do, so i feel like a European stuck in America );
Great analogy.
Also, there are Canadians watch/use both.
I like fast cars, but I don't watch car racing. Highlights are all I need, otherwise, it's more boring than watching golf.
Right except that F1 is more popular than indycar in the states
Same video, but different titles according to nationally:
- American: yeaah we are the best, just better, reason doesn't matter
- Canadian: both F1 and Indy are equally great
- Brits: Americans and their superiority complex again...
- Italian: as long as their are buying our engines and tyres it doesn't matter
As italian, you're goddamn right
And aero
awesome cars are America's greatest contribution to the world. it's. it that we have a superiority complex. a lot of us in America are just raised to be competitive and to love anything with wheels. the problem with American society and he competitive mindset that's engrained, is there isn't often lessons in humility to balance that. and to be fair. the Aussies are the same way as we Americans are when it comes to muscle cars. they want to be the best. that's why I love Australian motorsports as an American.
@@preston2636 you just turned topic about F1/indy into an argument about muscle cars... Is that an American thing to do? Does it support the original comment? :D
These are all jokes please there's no need for military action here. I surely don't want an american military base in my back garden
Italians have that sigma grindset
Better title: "Why are ex F1 drivers who didn't get a contract in F1 going to Indycar"
Or 'The difference and financial difference between F1 and Indycar"
Thank you !
Question: "Why is audience watching F2, Indy, F3, NASCAR, F4, Xtreme-E, Formula E, even karting races rather than F1?"
Answer: Because the cars in those series are much closer. In F1 there was only Mercedes for 7 years in a row. To enable one driver to break records. Not even for a good cause, just for politics. And we know one thing about politics: It's boooooorrrrring. Politics is boring. And chases away the audience.
@@cinegraphics FormulaE is trash, it's just everyone driving into each other.
@@cinegraphics touché Mercedes has been padding lewis’s stats but just say you havent been watching this season because the grid with the exception of Haas has become more competitive
Lap record at circuit of the americas:
Indycar = 1:46
Formula 1 = 1:32
14 seconds is a huge difference. That is the same difference between a Lamborghini and a Mini Cooper going round silverstone. It isn't even close
To be honest I'm actually surprised a Mini Cooper was able to finish only 14 seconds behind a Lamborghini
@@josephius it was grass fed and free range
14 seconds on one lap is an eon
This guy will probably compare their prices like with the engines. What a bullshit video.
But does that translate to quality and entertainment value of the racing? I'm not convinced it does.
I went to an Indycar race at Watkins Glen, a few years ago. and the race itself almost wasn’t the main event. The pits were wide open. The Ferrari challenge series and some Fiat Club were there as well. There was also a Maserati MC12 in the pits. The whole experience was crazy cool.
Hey, I was at that same race. Last Indycar race at the Glen sadly. I wish they'd return, I love that track.
American racing is a for the people kind of event, while F1 seems too be more posh. NASCAR is a great experience as a fan, as on TV you can see the drivers in their cars taking questions from the commentators, fans often get souviners like lugnuts or tires (i have a ton of hats from the pit crew of team penske, as well as lugnuts and an unused tire), and the atmosphere is just relaxed and happy.
@@antonym24 Yeah, at the Glen I basically strolled into the pits no questions asked. Saw Mario Andretti driving around on a scooter and he stopped and chatted with my father and I for a bit.
I live in Campbell (30 minutes away from WGI) and try to go to every non NASCAR WGI event. Its just so inviting to race fans.
Its too bad FIA won't let F1 return to WGI given its history with F1
It would actually be a good thing. Mexico, Texas, WGI, Canada
Indycar was the main event, those are just other things that go on. They happen at all F1 races too. F2, f3, Porsche cup, vintage F1, etc.
Indycar would be great if I didn’t have to watch 20 minutes of ad breaks for every 10 minutes of race footage
Peacock! Boom! (Yeah you can't watch the race live)
Welcome to American programming, it’s awful. Like a football(soccer) match takes at most 2 hours, an American football game takes around 4 hours to watch because of all the stoppages and commercials
Sky do a good job without ads
Bingo, F1 will always be better just because I don't have to watch ads for car insurance.
Finally someone said it
F1 is for technology Indy is for actual racing
Better title: "Why F1 leftover drivers become champions in Indy"
They don't?
@@James-vj5hz Bobby Rahal | Indycar wins: 24 |
Best Indianapolis 500 finish: 1st (1986)
| Indycar titles: 3 (1986, 1987, 1992)
Alex Zanardi | IndyCar wins: 15 | Indycar titles: 2 (1997, 1998)
Emerson Fittipaldi | Indycar wins: 22 | Best Indianapolis 500 finish: 1st (1989, 1993) | Indycar titles: 1 (1989)
Nigel Mansell | Indycar wins: 5 | Indycar titles: 1 (1993)
other way
Jacques VIlleneuve | F1 wins: 11 | F1 titles: 1 (1978)
Mario Andretti | F1 wins: 12 | F1 titles: 1 (1996)
Juan Pablo Montoya | F1 wins: 7
thassit
Do you have any idea how many IndyCar Champions you have to go back before you find someone that was an "F1 leftover?"
Scott Dixon, Josef Newgarden, Simon Pagenaud, Will Power, Ryan Hunter-Reay, Dario Franchitti...
If you're an idiot you'll say Sebastien Bourdais I guess, but his IndyCar Championships came before his venture into F1, where the car was what sunk him.
After that, we're looking at Sam Hornish Jr. , Dan Wheldon, Tony Kanaan, Cristiano da Matta...
I mean, these are a lot of names disproving your point here, huh?
Kinda like it was just a dumb thing you said.
Scott Dixon is literally the 6-time series champ, and actually came up thru Indy Lights instead of coming from F1
This dude dont know racing at all
Unless Hamilton, Verstappen or some of the top guy suddenly move to Indy, I can't see how F1 is losing their driver. It's like when MotoGP rider move to WSBK. They move because thay had no contract extension or simply can't compete with the big teams.
The top guys won’t move to indycar because they’re already in the best cars.
@@floppa933 even non-top guys do everything to stay in F1 and move somewhere else only when F1 kicks them out (for whatever reason)
Nigel Mansell 1993 switched over to CART(indy) when he was the raining world champion
@@dyslexicfurry that was 28 years ago…
Hamilton made $63 million last year in F1. The highest paid Indycar driver was Takuma Sato at only $1.4 million. So that's over 60 million reasons to stick with F1.
Important point: since F1 cars have never driven on a speedway, they have *never been configured for a speedway.* If you hold a race on one, teams will have to bring an aero package specifically for the event.
*flashbacks to 2006 American Grand Prix*
@@_Zekken Forza Minardi!!!
@Farith Robledo they race at the Circuit of the Americas. Texas Motor Speedway is a different track. Circuit of the Americas is a road course. Texas Motor Speedway is an oval track.
@Farith Robledo F1 drivers are subject to the same laws of physics so they would not allow them to use the full potential of F1 spec adapted to ovals because of safety
@Farith Robledo Uh whut? Lol no that's the exact opposite: Indycar teams can bring whichever wing package suits them. If you're trying to keep it even, then it's a "run what ya brung" race, whereby the two series' totally different priorities result in the same situation: one decimates the other on a particular course, whilst the tables are turned and the other decimates the one on the different course. To wit, Indycar shows up & runs COTA; it's another race for them & their outright performance does NOT stack up to F1; F1 could NOT show up at the speedways - btw I'm superbiased in favor of speedways because if a car "can" do 240 mph, then let's see it... lap after lap after lap of close, wheel-to-wheel racing! Look 180 kph-65 kph-145 kph corners is cool, it really is, but it's just not needed here; I'm an OG from F1's V12 days, so I really am with you until it comes time for the off-track soap opera-dram that is F1 goes away and the racing 🥱 begins.
I’m so sick of people arguing..
Can we all just agree that both of these Motorsport Leagues are both great in their own way.
I wish INDYCAR would go international
They almost did if it weren't for American Open Wheel racing to hit a figurative brick wall at 200 mph in the form of Tony George.
I thinks people are just disqusted how biased the video is and i kinda agree that the points made in this video are ignorant
They are technically international, with Toronto, but they used to travel all around the world, so it’s a shame they dialed it back
"Mom, can we have F1?"
"We have F1 at home."
*looks at F2
"No no, the other one"
"The place with circles?"
"Yes"
*looks at Nascar
"No, the other one"
"The place where F1 drivers give up the dream of being in F1?"
"That's the one. Took ya long enough"
Hey hey... did you know that in terms of geometry an oval is not a circle but in terms of racing every track in the world is a circle? :)
Also icydk - Indy and F1 share the same roots, Indy is the older series and most Indy drivers aren't former F1 drivers? :)
@@FloosWorld_AoE hey hey do you know what a joke is ?
Also they didn't say indy car consists of majority ex F1 drivers, just where F1 drivers go after they give up the dream of racing in F1.
@@notshubhransh A joke has to be original and funny to be considered as one so no - this "ovals = circles haha left turn" thing is not a joke
No, it isn't. It's just one series amongst many.
@@notshubhransh seems like jokes nowadays need citation warnings; can't assume people would fill in the small details.
Lots of ignorance in that ‘joke’. It looks like the video just attracted and triggered the more toxic elements of the F1 fandom…and fandoms are by nature pretty nasty places.
No driver is leaving F1 for indy,
they lost their seats / funding.
How about a "real" old-school style B2B with a F1 car?
That'd be epic
I think covid is restricting Donut in their studios to do a car review
The f1 teams wouldent alow it with a current spec car sadley they are that protective of there secrets best you might get is a late 2000's spec car thats not even used for testing anymore
Can't have a bumper to bumper cuz f1s don't have bumpers
A b2b about the fight between Lotus and Brabham would be great.( Chapman vs Murray!)
Winning by superior, creative engineering is one of the things that makes me an F1 fan!
Agreed, but I prefer the competition and fairness (rules interpretation) of Indy.
But Mercedes wins every week. No point in watching it!
Nah, you're an Formula Yawn fans.
let me fix that for you
Winning by spending the most money is one of the things that makes me an F1 fan!
Exactly the same for me! That is why I have no problem when someone is dominating but don't confuse this with me thinking it's fun to watch because it isn't. But if you have come up with a ground breaking solution you should get rewarded for it which is usually the case if you dominating. Also then it's up to the competition to catch up which is part of the fun, imo. But it's interesting when a team gets "hate" for dominating I mean "hate" on the teams that wasn't as smart as the dominating team instead. Sometimes a dominating team is made out to be some kind of villain but at the same time I guess that narrative creates some drama in the paddock and sells headlines for the media. And we the fans have something to discuss also 😁
9:43 damn that engineering degree came up a bit short on this explaination
Downforce doesn’t affect power to weight at all, it just increases grip for corners, and adds a lot of drag of course
Really weird that drag was hardly even mentioned in explaining why the F1 car has a lower top speed since he’s talked about it before
Thank you for this comment. That really bothered me. That must of made many engineers scream.
is kinda odd he did that. Point is the downforce does relate to drag but not 1:1 And the expensive bit is getting more downforce with less drag.
Aero just a tiny bit more slippery for the same downforce is fuel efficiency just a smidge more downforce for the drag is grip. So the
Yeah, funny thing is I had the same thought experiment a number if years ago. And realized that yeah, the motor is fighting the drag and not the increased "weight" due to down force.
Am I crazy or didn't he mention that the engine can't keep up the the drag?
I KNOW RIGHT! Drag, sure... Rolling resistance, small increase but yes.... But wtf with the weight man, mass doesn't have anything with the downforce. I can't believe we had to mention this here.
F1 is great to watch but ultimately boring because the end result has been so predictable for the last 10 years, Mercedes and Redbull are essentially the only teams who can win besides the occasional Ferrari in 2nd or 3rd for the season
True although some exceptions have occasionally popped up like Alphatauri's Danill Kyvat who finished 2nd in Sao Paulo
As a F1 fan I agree, I don't think it's necessarily boring, it's just that the grid has been stupidly unfair and unbalanced for the past few years, leading to more predictable races, I still enjoy watching the sport, we still get good and close racing just not very often, I'm a huge fan of both Formula 1 and Indycar, both have their pros and cons, something like better about Indycar is that the grid is more balanced and overall the sport is more accessible to get into, something I like more about Formula 1 is how it's more iconic and it's the biggest motorsport in the world and it's a worldwide sport and more diverse when it comes to the tracks and locations
Indycar 🤝 Formula 1
Both IndyCar and F1 are awesome. Racing is just awesome to watch.
Best comment here.
Racing is racing
any motorsport is chill, motogp is also legendary
I like vintage racing better than modern. Those old car's just dance all over the track and the drivers have to man handle them. Modern race car's with all there electronics make the cars predicable. Lap after lap of little to no action just keeping there places for the most part.
Here's the difference between Indycar and F1.
I've never seen a bad Indycar race.
I've never seen a good F1 race (since the V10 Era)
Day 109 of asking Donut to bring old B2B back
@Not RickRoll 👇 j bruh
and Science Garage too.
Nah, get with the times old man. You want the OG stuff, then go rewatch the old episodes.
How is old b2b different?
@@oxfordbambooshootify well, Nolan and James were the host and analized a famous car bumper to bumper
Donut’s indy car would be the only one with pop up headlights. 😂
POP UP UP AND DOWN HEADLIGHTS!!!!
Thanks for the Video title that just invites an argument. That being said, I'll bite. This video does nothing to explain why Indy is better than F1. It only explains why Indy is less expensive than F1. Claiming Indy cars are faster is bullshit. If F1 designed and trimmed out a car for an "Oval" they would be just as fast or faster. But as you mentioned, on a road course like COTA. where the track is the same, the F1 cars are 11+ Seconds faster per lap On a 1:30 Lap for an F1 car (I Believe it's more, but ehh). Which means in less than Ten Laps an F1 Car would Lap an Indy Car in a 60+ lap race. That being said, I am not trying to look down on Indy Car vs F1. They are completely different things. People don't seem to understand F1 is a Constructors Championship (IE: Who can build the fastest car) Indy is a drivers championship. One where F1 drivers win, Like Erickson. F1 is about developing the highest level of technology and eventually having that trickle down to road cars. IE: Soon they will be using BIO Fules. They are completely different things and there is no more reason to compare them than there is to compare MMA to Boxing. But as an American, I can see why people from other Countries see something like this, with it's completely incomplete context and think American's are snobs. All that being said - How many retired or fired Indy car drivers become F1 drivers vs the other way around? Clearly it's much easier to drive in Indy car vs F1, regardless of cost and all the other factors mentioned.
I agree and look at what the F1 teams did during Covid using their technology to design respirators . A lot of F1 technology ends up improving road cars
you summarized the situation perfectly! but look how people ignore your thoughts and continue the endless argument :D
@@LaArma That just sums up the intelligence of the audience I am speaking to. Ignoring facts doesn't make you correct.
Indycar cars are much faster at top speed when they use the oval setup where they use only 500 HP of power but with the aerodynamics simplified to the maximum. Comparing both on road circuits is stupid because F1 has many advantages: more than 300 horsepower, superior downforce, power steering, much better mechanical grip, electronic aids, etc.
Indycar can also be much faster on road circuits, do you forget that Dallara manufactures the HAAS cars and the Japanese super-formula cars that have a cornering similar to F1? Indy in the 80-90s already had engines of more than 1000 hp and they were only 3 to 5 seconds slower than F1 at that time and only because they were more aerodynamically unloaded.
The FIA does everything possible so that no indy driver races in F1, instead indy accepts any driver whether it is from F1 or supercars, it is mainly a matter of regulations and money.
@@juanvillalba2404 So we agree. F1 Cars are faster. Got it.
Ive been following F1 and really enjoy it but most of what he said is true and accurate. Especially the cost to fans. F1 tickets/fan packages (if you can even get them) are ridiculously expensive. My son and I went to an Indy series race in Alabama several years ago and dropped less than $600 for the entire weekend, including hotel and pit passes. Indycar wins on that point!
You’d be hard pressed to find someone who can name a single IndyCar driver, let alone follow the sport, outside the US
well I wouldn’t exactly doubt that considering Indycar doesn’t race outside said US.
Romain Grosjean
Pfft gimme a harder question next time
only one i can name is romain grosjean and only because he was in f1 lol
@@satvik274 Well there are a lot of former F1 drivers in Indy. Alexander Rossi, Marcus Ericsson, Juan Montoya was in it at one point.
Romain grosjean , ericsson and kmag
haha
Sorry, just not a fan of every team having the same chassis’. I appreciate the differences in the car and how they all preform better or worse on different tracks
Bro then it is not a fair match 🤦♂️
this is exactly why each season of F1 is getting worse for me, everyone has the same parts, it was fun when F1 cars were different from each other, now they are becoming indycars by each year
While the current field is uneven, it adds a 2nd competition, which is fun in its own right.
@@asimpleman6464 everyone has the same rules, so it's fair
@@existentialselkath1264 Bro I thought he was comparing F1 with someother. My bad
On the matter of fuel economy, it should be pointed out that Formula 1 still uses gasoline while IndyCar has been running on alcohol for decades. Alcohol has less energy density than gasoline, so the mileage is less. Being able to refuel at pit stops really helps in that regard.
The reason IndyCar went with alcohol is fire safety: An alcohol fire can be doused with water.
As you clearly described, F1 is HEAVILY regulated! This leads to deeper research to beat the rules.
whats wrong with regs there is such thing as innovation
The minute a team beats the rules F1 changes the rules, so no team gets an advantage.
Having watched f1 live and had one of my relatives compete in a lower tier formula series (formula 4 and 3) I prefer f1, but indycar is great and would love to watch it more often
Downforce units are in kgf, wich is different from kg. Kg is mass and kgf is force. Two different things. Mass dos not change (exept from the fuel burned), but (down)force changes with velocity in a race car.
F1 is like going to a concert with classical music and then going for dinner in a luxurious restaurant.
IndyCar is like going to woodstock and after that going to McDonalds and getting drunk later on.
One gives you sofisticated entertainment, other gives you raw fun.
These two series are different and that's why there is the triple crown of motorsport: win MonacoGP/whole F1 championchip, win Indy500 and win 24h Le Mans.
Also, there is more F1 pilots that were dropped out and then went to IndyCar than IndyCar drivers that were so good that they tried it in/were drafted to F1(only example I can think of at the moment is Jaques Villnevue).
Not a good comparison. One is about the drivers the other is about the cars and drivers. It is good for the world to have engineering completion combined with driving on the limit. Attending the race in Monaco with your yacht is a posh event, but watching on TV not so much. So less than 1% is in the luxurious restaurant, 99% are pub with bear (considered a better option than McDonalds).
@@natashakuzmanoska9656 But that's the thing: Technical competition doesn't attract wider audience. That's why Drive to survive is so popular and Lando Norris popularity is also based on that(not saying it's bad or that he is a bad driver).
F1 is more for posh people, that's why Rolex does sponsor F1 and not Indycar(or other sports like Football).
To watch it for the technical side, you just have to be interested in the technic behind it and for that you need also a bit more knowledge.
To that is also conected the fact that because of the technical competition the role of the drivers is less important so it's harder to watch it just for the drivers side.
My point is not in how you watch it, but why you watch it.
If I was interested only in the driver side then yes, I would rather watch Indy or even Nascar, but I am not. I am interested in why Mercedes is slower than last year and why both RedBulls didn't finish and that's something that I just won't find in Indycar.
@@stanislavkos3723 Android is not for the super reach :). Somehow it works, maybe people discussing that who is a better driver, when they are in different teams and you have no idea what is car capability, so there is no way to prove you point. So it has a doze of mystery, expectation , rarely excitement (last season excluded) but it works. And seems that we are going to get good season this year.
@@natashakuzmanoska9656 F1 is without excitement? Have I got news for you: over 100 million people watched the final race of the 2021 season.
You clearly don't care about technical side of F1 and you don't understand it. The question is: Are you just too lazy to care or are you too dumb to care?
You can predict how a car is going to perform, but to do that you actualy have to do something.
If you say F1 is boring, why are you watching Motorsport altogether. If you want just people fight over something, go and watch some drunkheads fighting in the street(unless one of them gets some kind of a weapon it's pretty even), it's cheap and you can join if you want to.
Mario Andretti
Rename this video: Why IndyCar is cheeper than F1.
The thing that IndyCar does better is, of course, how easy it is compared to F1 for a team to get into, for comparison, just to enter to F1 in a new team, by making one from scratch, you have to pay ~200M dollars to the other teams, and most teams want this number to increase. Now I am not a fan of oval racing, so I'd rather have F1
Love your channel, great video. Just one correction (around 9:40), the power to weight ration doesn't change with downforce, the mass at a given instant is constant regardless of speed. The cost of downforce is drag (the dominant force at high speeds) and to some lesser extent tyre friction. Regards
While it is true that the mass at a given time is (for all practical purposes) constant, the additional speed will add a downward component which will increase the effective weight. Drag is the component of resistance which opposes the direction of travel, so the drag force is not exactly the same as the increased downforce. Tire friction is increased as the normal force is increased with higher effective wind speed.
Power to weight ratio absolutely decreases with downforce, power to mass does not.
Downforce pretty much adds weight buddy.. Hence DOWN-force.
You're right about the weight thing tho;)
he is talking about the how the front wings are design to increase downforce(as the air flows from top to underneath the car, it applies force) to increase traction and make the car stick to the ground, increased traction = more speed
also he is not talking in physics terms, by weight he means the net force applied on the area of the ground that is covered by the car
indicar fans : watch F1 also
F1 fans : dont know what indicar
Being from Europe I feel like Indy car has increased in popularity quite a lot over the last few years
that too is because of all the formula 1 drivers we know have ventured there. if not for kevin and romain winning there, id never know much about indycar.
@@adityavikram2737 Romain hasn't won anything...
@@izzieb i meant generally is doing better. hes got some podiums i guess.
@@adityavikram2737 he has 2 podiums and isnt in the top 10 in the standings. So far he hasn't done jack crap.
@@ThRifTeDmUsIc well duh he hasn’t done all the races of course he’s not going to be in the top ten standings
Conor Daly hit 243.724 mph in 2022 Indy 500 practice heading into turn one.
What makes F1 cars "faster" is not their "speed" but their insane braking ability and acceleration ability.
The thing I don't like about F1 is that their is almost never any passing.
Simply Indycar is for the driver and F1 is for the manufacturer
I knew the hamilton starting alone pic was going to be a meme
I like that in Indy and Nascar they try to keep the cars on a level playing field so it's a drivers battle. In F1 and Touring Car racing it is mostly a money and tech battle which is cool, but I watch sports to watch people compete not to watch a battle of who's pockets are deepest.
Then don't watch f1 . F1 was and will be a competition of engineers
Imagine Ferrari using a 100% stock honda engined car lol.
@@Narekz yes that's my point. I won't watch F1. Congratulations you decoded my very deeply disguised enigma.
@@johnh8546 sorry I didn't want to be mean , but a have read many comments criticising the lack of competition between the drivers skills .
@@johnh8546 lol, killed him
Realistically, if F1 would actually race on a track like Indianapolis Motor Speedway. They wouldn't run their usual high downforce setup. They would run it with a low downforce, low drag IMS setup and smash the speed record set by an Indycar.
Just FYI, you are confusing downforce and drag when it comes to the different top speeds. ;) And Indy aero is slightly more complicated than what one engineer can figure out in an afternoon...
The problem of F1 is that cars became just too huge.
IndyCar shows exactly how good Americans are in racing car building, the chassis is made by an Italian manufacturer and one of the engine suppliers is Japanese, the gearbox is from Xtrac a British manufacturer, the OZ rims are also Italian as also the Brembo brakes...
just reading INDYCAR better than F1 HAHAHA what have you smoking Donut media?
9:40 that's exactly how it doesn't work. The engine pushes the mass of the car, and while the "weight" (vertical force) is increased, mass isn't. Sometimes i'm amazed by how simple concepts get explained wrong
Yeah. And even though weight is a term that is thrown around very carelessly, it is easy to understand that propulsive force acts along the x axis, downforce along y. But yes, I was also very surprised to hear that he got that as badly wrong as he did
Good stuff. thanks!
I've always loved NASCAR, so I really like "ovals" and so yaa, ok, Indy cars. But know what?
I _love_ *love **_love_* F1, and for 1 clear reason: the suspense and drama of overtaking and passing on a track with all those twists and curves! (I really dislike chicane.)
But for sure I know more about Indy now than I did previously, so again: *_thanks!_*
Everyone in Australia calls him Steve Booshemi, so we got you.
as I expected, this video triggered A BUNCH of people 😂 it's not that serious. You can enjoy both as you can with literally everything in the world
F1 fans are generally ignorant to other forms of racing, when in reality F1 is pretty boring compared to almost every other racing series. 5 races for F1 we've seen two winners and one maybe two passes for the lead if we are lucky. Three winners in four races for IndyCar, and Nascar we've seen 10 winners in 12 races which makes the racing far superior to F1. I respect the engineering in F1, but it seems like cost caps aren't really improving the show on track. This is coming from someone who watches every F1 race.
Indy races are really enjoyable. We got paddock passes for cheap and spent the day browsing the different vendors. Honda had several of the S2000 club cars of Alabama come out and each driver was introduced on one. They had a car show outside the races. There was even a Ferrari f40 on display. I got to experience the sound of a NASCAR up close. I sat in a racing spec Honda Odyssey. Honda showed off their new Civic Si’s on the track and a rogue regular Honda Odyssey joined them 😂 . We watched the Porsche’s race in the rain before the Indy cars raced. It was great fun. This was at Barber Motorsports in Alabama. The racetrack is very difficult because it’s intended for motorcycles.
Pssst: should we tell everyone else in the world that F1 is now owned by an American company?
In terms of race excitement IndyCar and F1 can't hold a candle to the kings F2 and MotoGP, nothing beats the on track action of those 2. F2 being a spec series like IndyCar and MotoGP a costructor's championship like F1.
100% agree, but I'd say that Moto3 is even better than MotoGP ( love MotoGP though), I mean, almost every Moto3 race there's like 10 riders crossing the line within 1 second of each other, just ridiculous.
MotoGP is awesome, but having been twice and having watched Marquez and Repsol dominate in person twice, I feel like it can be much like F1 in that regard. Moto3; however, is intense.
@@adamsteinhardt6393 Yeah for sure it can, but even when Marc dominated, he had to fight for many wins at the end of races, many times against Dovi, Lorenzo, Rossi, Quartararo in Thailand and so on, When F1 drivers win races, they very, very rarely have to battle till the end of races to win, they start on pole and simply smoke everyone off the line, that's a big difference to me, even the boring MotoGP races are way easier to watch than boring F1 races because they only last 40 minutes and not 2 hours.
@@adamsteinhardt6393 And also I feel dominations in MotoGP are more impressive than in F1 because it's not only about having a good bike it's more about if you're good or not on it, look at Marc for example, dominated with a really tricky honda that only he could ride well when his teammates would struggle to get into Q2, I'm not downplaying the F1 drivers but I think you need more talent to dominate in MotoGP and not just a good machine, and about moto3, it's fucking awesome, makes MotoGP look dull lol
@@Maidenintime86 true, but for me as an engineer, the most entertaining part honestly is not the racing but all the effort that goes into the cars. I like F1 because the engineering is a major component of the race
Regarding the engines, anyone can buy a fully rebuilt, Dyno tested, NASCAR Cup series engine with 955 hp (give or take one Clydesdale), for about 35k. No computers, no fussy electronics, no hybrid crap, and no turbos needed. No, your Grandma's Olds Vista Cruiser won't get 30mpg, nor will it be the quietest car in the Bingo parking lot. But she will get to church first.
I am literally laughing my ass off right now...Australia is packed with fans for qualifying, while Texas is literally barren stands...IndyCar better? Laughable...old cars and no fans...its a JOKE.
ok so in 2006, Honda designed an f1 car with no aero package except for little fin at the back.
it then reached a top speed of 413.205 kph (256.75 mph).
now that was with only the fourth best car, imagine speed they could reach today with their engine power.
don't get me wrong but he does make good points just the top speed thingy bothered me :/
Still think F1 is way better. Sorry.
Interms of just racing
Indycar >>>>formula 1
But interms of technology and all other stuff
Formula 1 >>>> indycar
I like both
Let's do something silly and revive IROC...the "International Race of Champions". Open wheel on an oval track (Indy)...then open wheel on a high speed road course (Monza)....then high bank in stock cars (Daytona) so the F1 guys can do something relaxing....then a top fuel dragster.....and then just for fun, make em hop the ferry to the Isle of Man and we'll see who has the epic guts it takes for 6 laps on two wheels. Who would emerge number one?
Indy car is real racing.
“Why Indycar is better than f1”
Red Bull :hold my gears
I grew up with a neighborhood Buscemi family. They pronounce it “bushamy”. So that’s how I pronounce it
When you see that F2 car are faster than Indycar on the same track…😂
They aren't
@@FloosWorld_AoE Come man.. on any a real circuit an F1 would destroy an Indycar like the circuit of the americas for example where they are around 14secs by lap.
@@Azzamilano What's a "real circuit"? A non-oval? IndyCar has those as well, they're the majority. And well.. IndyCar are somewhere in speed between F1 and F2 and will be faster within the next few years thanks to the new engine rules they're applying.
And you know, as a motorsport lover I absolutely hate the arrogance which comes from F1 die hard fans that never ever bothered to watch an Indy race or even season.
I think he meant the two uses different track layouts plus F1 has more advantage in corners when I look at it しかたがない
Indycar the "what if F1 was like nascar league" lol friendly joke i like all 3
They aren’t “losing drivers to Indy car”
Drivers are getting dropped and going to Indy car. Huge difference.
Exactly !!!!! Because they aren’t good enough to be in f1
And the fact that this man just said more downforce = more weight 😂😂😂😂
@@jordanbowen6136 not really most drivers in IndyCar are all good enough for F1 but don't have the money. Someone like Grosjean should be in F1 but just had bad cars so couldn't compete at the front so was look at as a bad driver but with IndyCar everyone has a chance to win because its equal
@@maxb148 Id argue most IndyCar drivers aren't good enough for F1
@@jordanbowen6136 So Kevin Mag is worse than Mazepin?
Grosjean is worse than Yuki tsunoda?
Your logic is extremely flawed
What I tell strangers: I’ve done a lap at Indy. What I don’t tell them: it was in a VW bus with a bunch of other tourists.
Lmao
I did a lap in Monaco. It was in a Renault with a couple of gals in the car with me.
Interesting part is the F1 race was in about 10 days and they were already setting up the grandstands and pits.
I ran the Daytona speedway.
(...in a Pontiac Fiero on the unsloped inner loop)
I have done laps at Indy. There is a program where you can learn how to drive an Indycar. The last I knew it was $1000. They have the speeds governed at 180 mph, which is much slower than the 230 mph the pros drive. But, it's plenty fast enough for a newbie, especially since you are sitting so low, it feels very fast.
The thing with F1 is that it ain't always competitive, unlike indy where all teams are very close. But a competitive F1 season is something no other sport can match. That's just my opinion
I would agree but I think it's because F1 nowadays is so dominated by 2-3 teams every year, when it does get competitive people take notice because it's unusual. But that's just my opinion too as an F1 fan
The other thing is that part of what makes F1 so interesting over indycar is the ridiculously intricate politics. Half of it is the off-track drama lol
@@OneNightIn93 case in point, Horner vs Wolff vs Masi. I can't stand any of them, but it is very entertaining
There's way more variance in F1. Great F1 is better than great IndyCar, but bad F1 is worse than bad IndyCar. Plus F1 has the engineering component, which is super appealing to some of us
@@OneNightIn93 competition isnt always for place 1
F1: penalizes race leader in season opener for track limit violations.
Indycar: if it's gray, it's okay.
“If it’s paved it’s a track”
Picture how wild F1 would be if they didn't have track limits!
@@daboiracing3848 the French grand prix WOULD BE CHAOS
@@daboiracing3848 just look at the 2020 Spa 24 hours qualifying
@@daboiracing3848 honestly it would just be races between the 2 richest companies
Not exactly losing them, it's more like a place were F1 drivers without a seat and young guys that don't get their chance in F1 can go, and it's great because Indycar is the biggest open wheel series outside F1.
i'm a huge Formula1-Fan since i can remember (around end of the 80's - the clearest Memorys from early 90's) but Indy Cart is the better Series for "Driver can make the Difference" and for "pure racing" - but F1 is still the Top-Series over all - i hope the Teams come nearer to eachother in the following Years (new Cars, Budgetcap...).
but yes, Indy-Cart is the best open-wheel-series after Formula 1.
i wish i could watch it (and NASCAR) in Switzerland :-/
@@DeshWitus well if you're ever in the states for a race I suggest being in the infield, it's a fun vibe just a day event talking with strangers about anything and day drinking. Indy 500 is a great experience
I have been to both F1 and Indy car races. F1 races are superior in everyway. Cooler cars, better looking women, and much better beer.
donut media are a bunch of muppets lol
@@DeshWitus Cause F1 in its orginal was not a competition between drivers, but between car manufacturers, it was to see who can buy the fastest car, later on driver skills were of importance as well.
F1 is not really “losing” drivers to Indy - If and when F1 drivers get dropped or retire from F1 they go to Indy.
Exactly
That’s not a very good title though
Young talents also tend to go there if they don't get the huge amount of funding that is needed for F1
The title sounds a 'clickbaity' lol
@@FRONTI3R_yt its all because u f1 fanboys are Nancy's!
I'm really glad that Romain and Kevin found a motorsport they can enjoy and actually be competitive in. HAAS is a freaking curse for drivers lol and I pray for Mick Schumacher in his upcoming years.
EDIT: I'm going to have to revoke what I said in this comment after seeing Kevin in the HAAS out-qualify George in the Mercedes today. Looking forward to an exciting race tomorrow!
P.S. Forza Ferrari
Edit Part 2:
Mick scored his first points in F1 finally.
P.P.S. I wish Ferrari would get it together.
Honestly was a bummer to see the issues KMags car had at Le Mans, would have been cool to see the father son duo really challenge
I started watching f1 drive to survive (terrible name) recently and Haas is where talent goes to die in grosjeans case the Bahrain Grand Prix was close
With the rumors that Chip G has "wooed" Grojean and Coines will bring in Albon next year... F1 is still the best, but Indycar is where the rest will play. The guys who can't play int the tippy top still havs a chance to rock n roll at what they love. 😃
Micky is paying for the seat to get experience and is getting financial help from ferrari for obvious reasons.
Mick has a contact with Ferrari, so I think he'll have a way out if he wants
9:40 - having 5 g's of downforce DOES NOT mean the engine has to move 5g's of weight. He is confusing downforce with drag
Elaborate please
Downforce does produce drag and that makes the car slower but that's beside the point, downforce doesn't increase mass but you can sort of argue it increases weight
@@07_danishwistara29 heh, that's an interesting point. The engine is moving the mass, not the weight. Also, ground effect aero increases downforce while barely adding any drag
5 G's means 5 times earths gravity... So its just a wrong term to use when talking static downforce. I think he meant the cars can pull 5 G's of lateral force in the corners... But most American shows really dont give a shit about being accurate :/ Unless its smarter every day, but even he tries to dumb it down so much. Still love destin regardless, keeps everyone on the same page
@@Captain_Coleslaw I think donut media is well researched most of the time. I mean with the amount of content they post you can’t really fault them for a couple of blips here and there
While I enjoy watching indy from time to time I wouldn’t say F1 is losing drivers. Those who changed to indy basically lost a seat in f1, I can’t imagine a F1 driver in his prime switching on purpose
Exactly
Totally agree. The drivers that head to Indy car are generally the ones who couldn't compete in F1, even in the midfield. If you look at the opposite, there have been a few top caliber Indy drivers (Seb Bourdais for example) who come to F1 and are terrible.
@@jeffreypleau191 some of F1s greats have driven indycar/cart
I realize that this happened decades ago, and this is really the only time I remember something like this happening, but........... Nigel Mansell switched the year after he won his '92 f1 championship..... Of course he then won the cart championship in '93. Again I know this was a LONG time ago, and it really doesn't hold true today in the context of what you are saying. Kimi and Fernando both took time off of F1, but Kimi only competed in 2 nascar truck races, and Fernando only ran the Indy 500 once. The following year he attempted but failed to qualify at Indy. So yeah the F1 series is a proven test ground for future Indycar talent, but no one with a pulse is EVER going to call F1 a feeder series.
FORZA FERRARI!! 🏁
@NolanEP there’s no tc in F1 nowadays
I watched the whole video and now I'm convinced that F1 is definitely better than IndyCar.
Güzel laf
mercades suck now, and they have won the last 6 titles. So F1 is great to marvel but its sometimes easy come, easy go. Makes it harder as fan to believe ur man at any given season can get ruined with some changes to rules. Vettle for example was owning(4 titles in a row) now he cant win anything. Then hamiltion wins 7 in a row, now some random in was shit ferrari is now winning. Hard to bother watching so indy in this regard does not have this radical leader swaps.
@@psukkar "shit Ferrari" they were shit because they were driving under restrictions. They were never shit
Me too, I'm half way through the video thinking, when is he gonna stop giving reasons F1 is better lol
@@psukkar You forgot about Rosberg in 2016. Epic battle.
Enough fuel to last a whole 2 hour race:
Laughs in 2021 Belgian gp
As if Indy even races in the rain at all. Dumb
Read this at the same time he said it. Nice
@@TangoNevada
They do, just not on the ovals.
@Damar Fadlan I guess you didn't see the extent of the rain.
@@TangoNevada IndyCar would have ran the whole race on Monday if the conditions had improved.
These 2 sports are different and should both be enjoyed by everyone. F1 is awesome for one thing and Indy car for another. Like on some weekends waking up early to watch an f1 race and Waiting for the afternoon for an indy race.
"At 5 Gs of downforce, the engine has to move 5 times the car's weight."
This is absolutely, demonstrably untrue.
Glad somebody else caught that 😅
Makes me think of the video where Tom Scott talks about how so many people are just saying stuff without any citations or references and asking you to trust them. Errors like this are in my opinion quite devastating for the trustworthiness of a channel like Donut Media.
th-cam.com/video/leX541Dr2rU/w-d-xo.html&ab_channel=TheRoyalInstitution
Wait, so what does it mean?
@@lambda6iceman Downforce isnt the same as weight. The only disadvantages from downforce is the aerodynamic drag which wings create, and the weight of the wings itself.
If what this video was suggesting was true, then big trucks would be a good option at the indy 500😂
@@lambda6iceman
With 5 Gs of aerodynamic downforce it means the car is experiencing an APPARENT weight of 5 times gravity. If you could measure the force each tire was pushing down on the track at that moment, then adding them up would indeed equal 5 times the car's weight. But, this has nothing to do with the car's actual mass, or weight, which isn't really changing at all. The engine of a high downforce car has to work harder because high aerodynamic downforce cars also produce relatively high aerodynamic drag, not because the weight of the vehicle is changing.
Sorry, but Donut dropped the ball on this one. Jeremiah, or whoever wrote this episode is displaying a fundamental ignorance of physics, and he refers to the same concept a few times, so this isn't a momentary lapse of reason, he's married to the idea.
Only OG's can remember when the title said: "Why IndyCar is Better Than F1"
that was a fallacy
And the old thumbnail
I thought I miss read it..
I thought I was going crazy hahaha good thing I found this comment
It was why Indycar is better than f1 and then why indycar makes f1 seem boring and now it’s why f1 is losing driver to Indycar smh
Thing is Indy is more F2 than F1 in a few ways. They both use manual steering, similar spec chassis and even the power unit.
F1 and Indy are different levels.
But the difference is how competitive the field is. Not two drivers winning, but a whole field of competitive driver and they also can hit 230 mph and have amazing close racing. F1 isn’t attainable and is corrupt. The drivers talent is shown rather than the car
Best reply that donut normies will never get
@@KyleFerguson17 agreed
You are comparing apples to oranges…Indy is far more than a ‘spec’ series. There are too many differences to the series to compare the two, but Indy is unfortunate enough to be somewhat similar and therefore attracts the vitriol and hate of F1 fans..not Motorsport fans, who can appreciate multiple series, but ‘F1 fans’ who only follow the single Motorsport and see bashing Indy as an opportunity to be petty and often attaching snide comments aimed at Americans in general.
And often the bashers are British I have noticed! What is with British sports fans?! They are truly the epitome of toxic.
@@mamavswild I am comparing F2 to Indy as F1 and Indy are not comparable as every F1 driver can be an Indy driver, but not every Indy driver can be an F1 driver. You need a special licence for F1 and you need to have success in Indy or F2 to get the licence. Once you have that licence (Superlicence) you can race anything.
F2 cars are very similar to Indy Cars in size and engines, even the same company makes the chassis. Just look up the specifications of an F2 car and an Indy car and you will see exactly that. F2 is a 100% spec series and IndyCar is a 90% spec series in that Indy has two types of engines to choose from where F2 has one, otherwise in both you are limited to minor setup changes with every other component made to the same specifications by a single manufacturer.
In F1, everything is custom made by the teams and you have 4 power unit suppliers. Teams have vastly different design concepts and some cars may look similar, but their designs are quite different. Some components are “spec” and made by one manufacturer and some can be shared by teams, but as a whole, F1 teams must design their own cars.
Christian Lundgaard made the direct jump from F2 to Indy and said it was fairly easy for him to be competitive because they are quite similar cars.
Drivers who have driven F1 cars who have not had remarkable results in F1 will usually get results in Indy and prolong their open wheel careers by competing in IndyCar. Examples would be Sato, Montoya, Ericsson, and Grosjean to name a few.
F1 is the pinnacle of motorsport and the cars are more powerful, more complex and you need a higher skill and athletic level to drive them in comparison to IndyCar. You can see it in the drivers.
I think what can make international motorsport fans a bit uncomfortable is when people try to say that Indy and F1 are at an equal level of motorsport, when it is not. Even this article tried to suggest that and it can be interpreted in a negative way.
To be clear I’m not British and I watch all kinds of racing from F1, F2, Endurance racing, rally car and also Indy. Everything I have said comparing the two is factual and I do not think there is any bashing of anyone here.
F1 hasn’t “lost” any drivers to IndyCar. IndyCar snap up former f1 drivers that are surplus to requirements
Waiting for baby schumacher to become surplus and show up in Indy Car
@@braincraven Doubt it, Alfa wants him when Kimi eventually retires.
@@Frozander Kimi won't retire as long as he can physically drive :D But I still don't think Mick will ever go to Indycar. I mean his name alone can get him a seat in F1 anytime he wants (and he's not bad either)
@@Inferiis Rumours said Haas put up for sale, so probably Andretti snatch the bargain instead create expensive team and Mick might head to Alfa Romeo after Kimi retire from F1.
@@ThePaulz80 Andretti can't compete with Daddy Mazepin when it comes to buying Haas. Mazepin will buy Haas with spare change he finds in his dacha's couch, so Lil'Nicky can keep his seat.
I like the standard set of drivers in F1 that appear in every race with maybe an exception or two every year along with the distinctive liveries of mostly solid colors that are identical between teammates. It makes it easy to keep track of who is who on the racetrack. In indycar I have no idea who is who.
Yes!!!!!😂
Tried watching Indy this season, the cars liveries changed almost weekly!
One week, Grosjean was in a mostly orange car, the following week the car was green!
How are you supposed to follow your favourite driver when its like playing 'Where's Waldo?' At 200mph?
Also, Indy cars are soulless.
yeah fcking hell it's like you need notes for every race just to keep track who is who
Thats because almost the whole grid is full of pay drivers who have to reflect who is paying for that car. Rather than having team sponsors.
Skill issue 🤷
Original title: Why IndyCar is better than F1
Comment section is gonna be as lit as Romain Grosjean's F1 car
And then they changed the title
😂
@@DownsJones yep, it used to say "Why Indycar is better than F1"
@@DownsJones oh two can play at that game
They changed the thumb from flying Indy to flaming Indy
The best commonality between Indy Car and F1 is that both the current Indy Car aero regulations and the upcoming F1 rules have created good looking open wheel race cars.
I love the way current f1 cars look
@@Rltvader1 As much as I want to see how 22 regs go for racing, the new cars look a little weird. Might just be because were all used to the current cars' look
@@Rltvader1 i loved the 2009 cars and 2016 cars
just me?
@@stratis722 The "halo" ring thing is somewhat still distasteful to see. Had they modified it properly it would be very beautiful for both drivers, audiences, and the teams.
The f1 drivers going to indycar are only going because they didnt get a seat in f1 for the next season
Glad someone said it. Its always been that way
Like Mansell
Takuma Sato: Left without an F1 drive when Super Aguri folded four races into 2008
Teo Fabi: Fabi had endured a miserable rookie F1 campaign with Toleman in 1982, failing to qualify seven times and retiring on a further six occasions
Justin Wilson: Wilson's experience of F1 was brief, a single season split between Minardi and Jaguar in 2003 a poor return for the promise he'd shown in winning the 2001 International Formula 3000 crown
Dan Gurney: Nothing I can find. While competing in Formula One, Gurney also raced each year in the Indianapolis 500 from 1962 to 1970.
Alexander Rossi: Rossi made no bones when he started his IndyCar career in 2016 that he would wait to see what opportunities opened up in F1 before committing his future to the US. But that changed after he took a shock Indianapolis 500 victory in his rookie year, which set him up for a fruitful Stateside switch.
Jim Clark: History of racing different series at the same time. Never fully switched from F1 to Indy/Champcar.
Bobby Rahal: Made his F1 debut with Wolf in the two North American races of 1978 after impressing in European F3. But hopes of a full-time drive in 1979 were dashed by new arrival James Hunt's insistence on a one-car operation and when Peter Warr over-looked Rahal to replace a demotivated Hunt mid-year, he returned to the US to race sportscars until motel mogul Jim Trueman approached him to set up an Indycar team.
Alex Zanardi: Zanardi's F1 career with Jordan, Minardi and Lotus was a classic case of promise unfulfilled.
Emerson Fittipaldi: Fittipaldi's Indycar career was a fruitful Indian summer for the double world champion, who had called time on his racing career after retiring from F1 in 1980.
Nigel Mansell: He had won the 1992 world championship at a canter in the superior FW14B, but couldn't agree on a new contract with Frank Williams and accepted Carl Haas' offer of a fresh challenge in Indycar with Newman/Haas Racing.
Etc.
Stop crying u f1 Nancy boy
F1 is a constructor/team sport and much more dependent on money. Indy is a drivers sport.
Perfeita definição.
Indycar é o verdadeiro campeonato de pilotos de roda aberta no mundo.
F1 é competição de engenharia.
Got into Indy this year because of Grosjean and I’ve been loving it. F1 is awesome because of the theatrics and grand scale of it all but Indy is cool because of the DIY feeling of it and the fact that it puts the racing first.
Downforce actually increases the frictional force between the tires and the track *without* increasing the car's mass. That's the whole point, otherwise your cornering acceleration is limited to your friction coefficient x gravity.
Since the wings run at such high (negative) angles of attack, they make a sh*tton of drag though, which limits the speed.
You talk about over rationalizing something to come back to your butthole just to admit to the same thing you were trying to over rationalize🙄
@@joeyjohnson4826 By gravity, I mean the gravitational acceleration (9.8 m/s/s on Earth) which is independent of mass.
He literally said that downforce increases the weight of the car, which is incorrect. Downforce squeezes the car against the track harder while still keeping the car light.
@@mikekalb nah you're wording it wrong. if you look at the design philosophy behind the r35 gtr the car was purposefully made heavier to force the tires against the ground and deliver more grip, therfore the increased weight from downforce increases frictional grip.
@@joeyjohnson4826 what?
@@mikekalb weight is simply mass x acceleration. If you're providing an extra force that pushes down (downforce) which adds to gravity, your car's weight increases. Its mass does not.
The thing I like about F1 is the constant regulation changes that drive innovation. It's an ongoing war of engineering.
@Shannon Rehwinkel I never commented on the racing. You're right, it doesn't necessarily make it any better but I enjoy reading about the advancements the teams make. As it happens, I find oval racing incredibly boring (the rest of Indy seems fine to me). That's just my taste, it's great there are different options for different people
nah that regulation kills engineering. Remember when mercedes got penalized for their aero?
@@honkhonk8009 True, but regulations are there to stop things from spiraling out of control. If it was an open formula, then the series would eventually die. Just look at what happened to Group C racing.
@@honkhonk8009 If you think in the short term, then that can be the case. Long term however, engineers find workarounds, loopholes and innovations to gain whatever advantage they can. It's a bit like how corporate regulation can sometimes actually increase competition and profitability
Nothing like kicking back with a beer and watching security footage of engineers in cubicles.
The conundrum that I have:
The big thing I like about Indy is how competitive the racing is.
The thing I hate about Indy is that all the cars are the same.
The thing I like about Indy is caused by the thing I hate!
One of the things I like about F1 is that each team's cars are different, and there is a back and forth in the engineering war.
The thing I hate is that this leads to some teams dominating the competition, lately for years at a time.
The thing I hate F1 is caused by the thing I like!
Like a girl who hates being pregnant but likes what caused it ;o)
Issa evil world we live in
Same here. Indy is better from a drivers stand point because everyone has an equal chance of winning, while in F1, you could have the best driver on the grid that deserves to win everything in a midfield or slowest car and they won't win anything. Vettel could have easily been a 7 time champion by now if he was with Mercedes instead of Lewis, and the same could be said about many of the drivers there.
But it's the fact it's an engineering war between the teams that make me like that sport better than F1
It's the same reason why I enjoy nascar so much. It's a toss up, every time. Random drivers can (and do) win races quite often, and the aggressiveness of the driving is amazing. F1 seems like a battle between the 2 best teams, with everybody else just there to fill the grid spots.
@@bobjohn2000 I liked NASCAR better when the race cars were at least based on production vehicles.
I understand why that couldn't continue, but it is just another spec racing series now, with an extremely screwy championship system.
I don't even mind it being mostly boring oval tracks, but it would be nice if there were more road races.
It is absolutely hilarious when they call the cars a Ford, Chevy, or Toyota.🤣
As an F1 fan, I’m just gonna say no, just no
tbh Indy is more entertaining. the rule package for next year in F1 may improve the racing but Indy is a lot more competitive. anybody can win at any track.
I second this
Racing wise it is.
As an f1 fan I’m just gonna say yes , f1 may be the pinnacle of motorsports but not racing
As someone who watches both, F1 is better
The caption text interpreted saying that an F1 engine can make "a thousand horsepower" to can make "8,000 horsepower" That's a LOT MO' POWA' BABY!!!!!!
James def did the captions again
Well I definitely heard him say "8,000 horsepowers" and wondered just what he was talking about. Then I glanced at the screen and saw that it was supposed to be a thousand... I'm not surprised the speech recognition created capitation saying 8,000...
dang thats almost a fraction of what the Toyoda Soupbra makes from factory (car from fastand furious!!!!!!!))
You even think about going near the throttle, it’s lights out and my tyres are gone!
Still Love F1 over indy, but both race series are Awesome. Donut media F1 sponsor should be Krispy Kreme Donuts
I love Indycar because I don’t know who’s going to win any given week. F1 has stretches where you can predict which teams or drivers will win with pretty good accuracy. F1 feels very commercial whereas indy car feels very raw. However, I love racing and I love both for multiple reasons
I sometimes feel you can know who will win the GP in F1 since thr practice session, you could be sure on qualy, race day is just like: "Ok lets see how the field after the 10th place finishes.
F1 is a quantum mechanics-level paradox: It is the least competitive series in motorsport AND it is the most competitive series in motorsport.
I've had a ton of fun learning about it on TH-cam and because the storylines and power dynamics seem to play out over such long periods, videos breaking down each season of the championship have been great fun to go through. But having completely predictable races that are sometimes devoid of passing (oh excuse me, "overtaking") gives me no incentive to heavily follow it week-to week-and watch the races.
Granted, I am an uncultured swine who grew up watching NASCAR, but in all seriousness I find it incredibly hard to enjoy sports leagues that are fully uncapped and are nearly exclusively won by the teams that spent the most money. I have to imagine anyone that is a Mercedes fan is the kind of person whose other favorite teams are the Yankees, Patriots, Lakers, and Man U. Just the worst kind of sports fan.
That all being said, I would kill to watch the F1 drivers run a race in the IndyCars (totally spec). It would be extremely fun and possibly enlightening to see the F1 drivers race against each other on a completely even playing field. So many arguments and what-ifs could be answered for F1 fans! Also perhaps some surprises...perhaps Mazepin smokes the field out of nowhere!! (Ok...definitely kidding on that one but maybe we'll never know who the greatest F1 driver of all time is...in theory it could be someone that had a mediocre career because they always had shit equipment.)
@@extragoogleaccount6061 you had me until Mazepin 🤣
@@extragoogleaccount6061 Man Utd is definitely not a good exemple ahaha
@@extragoogleaccount6061 only problem is see is the patriots were in fact under a cap system. Brady is a generational talent and bellichek is the best coach to ever walk the sidelines. All the other teams I Wholeheartedly agree though.
Hello, Donut dudes!
Love the video, but you got a bit of it wrong. Romain Grosjean and Kevin Magnussen didn’t race in the 2021 Indy 500. While they’ve both ran Indy Car races this year, they skipped that one.
Grosjean is probably going to do it next year(hopefully, he's been on fire this season)
@@ethandrake5380 Those passes last weekend....man was on a mission.
@@albe23 yes he was to bad for poor timing on the yellow flag or he would have come in at least 9th
@@ethandrake5380 no no, he was on fire last season ;)
Joking aside, they did say he would participate in more ovals next year.
@@kurtispotts9097 his run at Gateway, while not a good finishing position at the end, gave him the confidence to do a full-season to include more ovals.
If you watched the Gateway race, he was easily the man to watch as he was making passes that are usually too risky as either you are likely to catch the wall or wear through your tires faster if you manage to save your car.
Indy car has better racing, it is more competitive and it has more drivers. F1 isn't the pinnacle of racing, it's an engineering competition. If you watch F1 for the racing, you're doing it wrong
Basically F1 engineering is on a whole new level.
Does more expensive mean more better?
@@nvrndingsmmr in this case, yes.
@@nvrndingsmmr Indy didn't have enough talented people to make R&D of these cars, and that's why it's spec car series and indycars are made by Europeans(dallara) xD
@@patrykroszak7339 That's just stupid. Spec is cost cutting measures and recovery from the CART/IRL split that about ruined OWR in the States. And the chassis used by Indycar are researched, developed, and made in Indianapolis Indiana, in the good ole USA.
I'd say it sets the level
The nice thing about indy is that since all of the cars are relatively the same, driver skill is a lot more important when your opponents can't just out spend you on parts and research. They actually have to outdrive you.
When you spend 150milion developing an F1 car you will pay the best drivers in the world to drive it. Driver skill has to be the ultimate otherwise you have thrown your money away. The F1 drivers also help to develop the car. They are recognised as the best drivers out their and F1 is ruthless if your standard drops.
@@bjs7442 I mean, half the time they're really not paying the drivers, it's more the drivers paying them. Latifi, Stroll, Mazepin, and now Zhou are in their seats because their dad's bring tens of millions in sponsorship money, not because they're the best. If that were the case, you'd see drivers like Ilott and Piastri being moved up from F2 instead.
@@detCap First Ilott is currently a test driver for Ferrari and reserve driver for Alfa. He came 2nd in 2020 in F2 so he has been recognised. Piastri has moved up and is now Alpines reserve driver . So not first team but inline for F1 . Similar to Lando who was reserve driver for Mclaren. When we look at the so called pay drivers. Latifi came second in F2 with 4 wins and beat George Russell on Sunday. Stroll won F4 and European F3 and Zhou came 2nd in F2 with three wins and was test driver for Renault last year. So yes you may classify them as pay drivers but they are also very talented drivers who have been in the top two in the lower divisions. They are capable of getting F1 drives without the money but with the money they are looked at more closely. That leaves Mazapin. He is less easy to justify except he was 5th in F2 and won the same number of races as Mick Schumacher and to be honest Haas would not be on the grid without him but he has struggled. So I would say three are their on merit and one is a paid driver. Only Hass really needs a paid driver.
Yes and then to drive around in circles
F1 needs a balance of outdriving and outengineering. you couldn't put Nicholas Latifi in Red Bull's RB18 and expect him to win the championship, because he'd have a technological masterpiece underneath him but he couldn't drive the thing for jacksquat.
and no, Latifi really ain't that great. he came 2nd in F2 but the grid that year wasn't very competitive (Schumacher, Zhou, etc. were rookies), and he's been convincingly beat by Russell (for 2 years) and Albono (for 7 races). it's pretty clear he's not up to snuff with the driving standard of F1. i don't think Stroll is either, since if you look at it Lawrence has been a major sponsor of both teams that Lance has raced for, and mayhaps he might have gotten into Williams by himself (i don't really know, i wasn't an F1 follower back then) but he definitely didn't get signed to Racing Point on merit. this is his 6th season in F1 and the only notable moments he's really had are Azerbaijan 2017, Turkey 2020, Monza 2020, and Sakhir 2020, and the latter two were almost definitely a result of circumstance
For me following Grosjean’s exploits in Indycar this year has really opened my eyes to the series. Absolutely love it now
“I prefer racing in indy car” thats the kinda thing you say when your f1 career didn’t go anywhere
So true 😂😂
Or you like having more than three cars competitive for winning at any given race
@@RyanXWing good and successful f1 drivers (not necessarily champions only) also drive in other series from time to time you never hear them saying that kinda thing. I don’t recall Alonso ever saying that he prefers indy, endurance or rally in fact he decided to go back to f1 to a non top team
at the very least kevin and roman had f1 podiums you don’t hear them saying that kinda thing, that comment is reserved for truly mediocre f1 careers like ericsson’s
@@hm05090x you have a good point 👍
Formula 1 feels incredibly elitist to me, whereas NASCAR and IndyCar are both more open. This year's Indy 500 and Coca Cola 600 were both amazing races
It's more like the other way around actually, Formula 1 is more popular than Nascar and Indycar but I don't really care to be honest, I enjoy all 3
Your comment makes zero sense. Learn how to read.@@brain9659