Challenger vs Charger Drag Race: Hemi Swap 1970 Dodge Challenger Racing a 73 Dodge Charger Big Block
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 30 ก.ย. 2024
- Two old school Dodge muscle cars drag race at the Irwindale 1/8th mile drag strip for a 70 Challenger vs 73 Dodge Charger showdown. On the prepped track we'll get more traction than street racing, so tire selection comes into play. I'm in my 5.7 Gen 3 Hemi V8 swapped 1970 Dodge Challenger and TH-cam car builder, welder, and master mechanic @NightWrencher is in his 1973 Dodge Charger with a 361 cubic inch big block V8. It's a battle of fuel injection vs carburetor, manual transmission vs automatic, drag radials vs street tires. The 5.7 Hemi vs big block Mopar V8, no nitrous nos, no twin turbo, just all motor classic V8 muscle car horsepower.
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Nice to see someone racing a late 3rd gen charger.
I was honored to line up next to this beast with that rumbling big block. Definitely don’t see these Chargers often and an especially rare sight out at the Irwindale drag strip.
Right? I rarely see anyone even talk about that generation of charger
Late 3rd gen charger? Lmao!
@@nastybastardatlive nothing wrong with a late 3rd gen...78 magnums are really the same thing and summit racing had one on its cover with a stroked 400... yeah drag racing.
Yea it’s good to see the older Charger but a 360 😂 You should’ve asked the other dude in the challenger to count to three very slowly and give you a little bit of a chance at least you wouldn’t have lost by much that way.
I don’t mean to be rude but I own a 72 charger. Take the 360 & toss it in the scrap iron pile where it belongs.
I hate the Tesla and any type of electric vehicles they are a scam
Unless your draggin' one
That challenger shot out of the hole like a rocket! Beautiful camera work and editing as always 👌
Can't wait to see the Michael Westin Special (Burn Notice) as a more finished piece. The 361 is a little slow turning, so you have to compensate for that.
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Thanks man! We'll definitely have to do a second round sometime soon.
@@infamousnova 👌😎
361 was not an engine anyone ever associated with a drag strip sadly haha. He needs a 383 or 440
400 is a good option also
A 340 was a big block killer built properly and he would have surprised him.
@@robvoyles1985 240 would have gotten stomped by the challenger
When we found out the Charger has a 361 in it, anyone who's familiar with Mopars expected this outcome...
And if the rear gear has never been changed on an SE, it's probably not helping anything.
There is no 361 it s a 360.
@@camirocz you have no idea what you're talking about. A 361 is a big block "B" engine, a 360 is a small block "LA" engine. 361's came in older stuff...around '67 and older. Since I see you're a Chevy guy, that would be like me saying "there is no 348, it's a 350"...
@@MoparRob440 it s an old engine 58 to 66 and makes little power .Better off with a well built 340 or 360 . That à charger is a much later year and never thought anyone would put a weak 361 in it . Useless is what it is . 17 second quarter mile pig.
@@MoparRob440 Agree with MoparRob440. Not just agree, it's fact. Also, those smog-year rear ends didn't help much at all. Lucky if the thing has a 3.23 (doubt it, unless maybe it was an original big block car). But hey, it's racing (read: expensive), and you use whatever engine you have laying around.
@@camirocz 361 big block does definitely exist.
That charger is really heavy with hwy gear and a 250hp 361
Drag Radials will help a lot. I picked up .50+ on my 340 Duster. Dropped from 12.70s to 12.20s. I was able to launch and hook at 4k vs 3 k spinning.
That's a good call, definitely will my next upgrade 👍
Shit, I've been driving mine on slicks. Too lazy to change tires.
@@noboltsleftbehind YOu need drag radials, bad! BFG are the worst....burnouts may be fun but on st tires avoid the burnout box, simply give them a quick spin to clean them off otherwise they get greasy.
Address that wheelhop that can break driveline pieces over time. Axle, joint, trans
@@gordocarbo Check out my more recent videos! I did get a set of drag radials and installed a set CalTracs bars to fix my wheel hop. Huge difference, especially with the CalTracs.
That opening shot looks so good. I wish I can see LA someday.
That was a pretty awesome sunset we had that day. And year round drag racing!
LA is a congested super smoggy expensive ghetto. Homless everywhere its not like you see on TV. Dont waste your gas
Road trip up PCH is pretty scenic...Id start no further south than Zuma beach and go north for hours. WOuldnt drive through any part of LA if you paid me that includes the valley north of it
The charger could have ran faster out of the hole if rev was right and hit the gas on last yellow light. Still need to be tuned. The challenger was badass too
Why would someone want to put an old 361 in a 73 Charger? If I'm not mistaken, the 361 was a 1950s motor.
I think in this case it was a motor he had lying around, actually put it in the Charger a few weeks before this race.
I went to his YT channel and got the story. The old 400 had to be replaced and they went to a junkyard and got what they thought would be a 383 or 400. It was an ancient 361. Same engine family, but not a desirable replacement for performance use.
@@Stucifer he actually ran it on the dyno about a week ago and got some horsepower numbers - m.th-cam.com/video/-DHrkAMdxYI/w-d-xo.html . I think he has some upgrades planned, it will be interesting to see what kind of power he can get out of it.
That Charger ran exactly how it looked! 😔
It was just reborn Jim, give it time.
@@matzrat5006give him a lot more time…….😂
Got anything better? Its the guys first old car has a super old truck engine in it and first time out.
Its not as easy as people think from watching
@@robvoyles1985 Nobody builds their first car, first time out and makes great times .
Dont put the guy down at least he is out there trying
@@gordocarboI’m not putting him down, I just stated what I thought!
I'm a Mopar man to my heart and I love both cars it doesn't matter who wins..can't go wrong either way.."Dodge, the brotherhood of muscle"
That poor charger never had a chance. He would have had a better chance with a built 340.
I wish that Charger had a 440 in it. Also a set of 4:10 gears. It would've been a much better matchup
Definitely agreed. We’ll have a rematch when he gets it built up.
Y a de tellement belle mécanique fidèle à vous même v8 moi rien à dire j ai eux 2 chevy une chevelle et un el camino 77 ❤😊
Good to see another track visit. Speed is pretty good for the 1/8th Mile. 👍
It was good to run it again on a prepped track, I'm pretty happy with the 1/8th mile time. My 60-foot time is a lot better after I installed those traction bars, I'm thinking my quarter mile might be much better now.
@@noboltsleftbehind I know it's a pain, but, I would buy 2 lighter weight wheels and a pair of drag radials. I know it's a pain, but, they will drop your times even more than just dropping a couple pounds of air pressure. Love the videos!
@@bryanhallman8183 yeah I’ve been on the lookout for a set, hoping to find someone getting rid of a pair. Maybe I’ll just go order some once @NightWrencher gets that big block tuned up and cammed, I might end up needing some grip for round two.
Fuck 1/8 mile, man up!
I can't believe I wasted my time to watch soyboys run 1/8th mile. Go play with the fuckin tuners, they will eat u alive!
THe comments talking chit about the Chargers owner..shows you guys never owned a car.
Not everyone has tens of thousands to make some killer drivetrain build the first time.
This guy knows what’s up
361 big block?? You'd think thats small block size and for only 300 horse too??
Oddly enough it’s not the smallest displacement big block Mopar, they also made a 350 cubic inch. The 361 was late 50s to mid 60s mostly.
There was a 361 in a 70 Challenger I bought years ago. The car was pretty nice and ended up a purple 440 clone car but the 361 was a slug.
Not much 3rd gen charger content on TH-cam. Earned a sub from me
Much appreciated!
Was that model y off to Black Friday sales ?
Charger needs 4.10 and 3500 stall
Faut lui monter un compresseur et la ça causse ❤😊 ou turbo c est à toi de voir perso j en montrer 2 turbo ❤😊
Are you sure he’s not running a 360 small block? The 361 is an early 60’s motor that was replaced by the 383. In 1973 a 360 small block (usually painted blue) was a common engine in the chargers. It would explain why you are easily beating him. A 383 (the child of a bored out 361) would have given you much more trouble. Especially if you are running the 5.7 liter.
This was most certainly a 361 big block, it was a junkyard pull he installed himself not long before the race actually 👍. Motors got swapped in and out these 50+ year old cars A LOT.
Wow that’s an old motor! My suggestion… find a 383. A much more common motor. The 361 belongs in a museum. It’s kind of like racing a 413 max wedge.
@@ericl2851 it’s my understanding he bought it thinking it was a 383 but later finding out it was a 361.. and decided to run it anyway. He has more info about it on his channel Nightwrencher Performance @nightwrencherperformance3019
Should of ran him with a late light, so you could of got shots of being door handle to door handle race.
That was a GREAT video. I did think the Charger would do better, though.
Thanks, the Charger definitely struggled with that 361. Rumor has it the 361 has been pulled out to make room for something a little spicier. I’m hoping for a rematch after it’s done.
Seems like he could pull that dent in the fender out without much of a problem.
That is some pretty thick steel, not easy like modern stuff
73-78 b bodies never get any love
I have a friend working on a 3rd gen Hemi (392) Automatic swap into his 67 Barracuda coupe. He is a retired machinist so his obstacles are the "money, buy, hold, money, buy, hold" thing
Haha we've all been there. I LOVE those second gen Barracudas
He had better get working on that charger, or he'll never beat you. You have a 130 hp on him.
He’s working on a turbocharging it as far as I know, hopefully we’ll get do a rematch soon.
Did grandma get her grocerices?
Dope vid man !
Thanks!
What would be the outcome of both original engine set ups?
That's a good question, I know my Challenger originally came with a small block v8 and a 3 speed auto... @NightWrencher any idea what the Charger came with originally?
Hate to say it but that Charger needs some serious love, but its great to see him (and you) actually out there driving your cars.
It’s definitely getting some love, this was just a couple weeks after he first fired it up. He actually just started the build on his channel @Nightwrencher Performance
@@noboltsleftbehind Thats cool, I will check the site out
Mr no bolts left behind how r you, quick question on the milodon oil pan my gasket kit came with 2 gaskets I need to use both or just one?
Hey man, I'm good! I remember using an OEM gasket/windage tray combo sort of thing, so far it's worked well for me. There is a top and bottom gasket on that windage tray and you need both. One VERY important thing to note - my Milodon pickup tube was machined incorrectly. The bolt hole was off slightly causing it not to seal correctly on the oil pump. It caused low oil pressure and I came very close to toasting my engine on the dyno! I went into detail about it in part 22 of the build series: th-cam.com/video/bNmvH0lGK94/w-d-xo.html .
Thanks for the quick response like a hemi guy, ok have a nice 4th of July.
I love the challenger set up. A lot of respect and props for the work hours with madness behind it. I can imagine what you went through to have it the way you want it.
Thanks man. The build was definitely a huge amount of work but getting to rip it down the track makes it all worth it for sure.
if the charger had a 340 aka BIG BLOCK KILLER...he would have done much better..
Last I heard he’s upgrading the heads and cam on the 361, possibly a carbureted turbo set up too. I’m hoping to have a rematch video here soon.
@@noboltsleftbehind your car is very nice!!
@@robvoyles thanks!
Is that track bar supposed to be mounted at a sideways tilt like that? I am no expert but it looks off to me
Are you referring to the lower rod with the heim joints? These only move forward and backward, the clocking of the joints shouldn't have an effect on it.
@@noboltsleftbehind word
Highly recommend conversion the power steering into electric steering pump. You can literally use a Volvo C70 2004-2013 electric power steering pump. It going to require some creativity to set it up and adjustment. Post up simple content about the challenger, I would like to know about it. Much props to you man
That electric power steering pump idea is VERY interesting. What I really like about it is it takes a piece off the serpentine system, which frees up a little power and removes an engine failure point. I’ll definitely be looking into this and I’ll most certainly make an episode about it if I end up giving it a try.
Technically if your talking Mopar your talking long block vs short block
Good job, always leave on that 3rd yellow, you'll cut a better light.
I for one am grateful for all the info provided on the engine swap and performance data.
I will admit I glossed over this video to see your et and speed. Using one available calculator. The car would have gone mid 13's and a little over 100 mph. The donor engine was rated at 330hp I believe. That trap speed and et estimates 320ish hp.
My point is your build was roughly 10k total cost. 15% drive line loss from the crank to the tires. That engine makes ballpark 380 hp.
These results are making me seriously reconsidering a swap and mild build.
Thank you for your transparency.
I actually made a video of my car getting dyno tuned: th-cam.com/video/bNmvH0lGK94/w-d-xo.html . With my cam swap and few other upgrades it made 376 horsepower to the rear wheels. You're spot on about the mid- 13's, here's another episode where I run the quarter mile: th-cam.com/video/onCW1ljWzLw/w-d-xo.html . I've never been able to match what the online calculators tell me I'm supposed to run, I blame my lack of drag racing skills and crappy street tires. Haha.
Just discovered this video, and your channel. Thank you sir. Got a u code rallye 72 charger for 20 years
Awesome man! I’m a big fan of the third gen b-bodies.
rear is lifting ,,,, when power hits ,, thinkn it should squat ,,,
You're correct that the rear end squatting does mean good weight transfer to the rear tires, however I think the CalTracs traction bars have a tendency to push the rear tires down into the ground, thus lifting the rear. That said, I really don't know what I'm doing when it comes to drag racing, lol.
Its supposed to lift. Squatting is wasted energy
@@noboltsleftbehind Lifting is good thats what its supposed to do
Was that a 1/8 a mile race.i had a 70rt challenger 383 and a 71 440 rt charger and a 70 gtx 440 mag with 4 speed .I like the gtx for the interstate.good video
You had some awesome Mopars sir. Yes this was an 1/8th mile track.
LOL, I mean c'mon. That Charger would get beat down by a VW.
Old mopar big blocks are just that....old.
Not everyone can drop 10s of thousands on their first build. Maybe thats all he could afford at the time.
Enjoyed your vid, you might try putting the Grip about 90 degrees to the left to make it a more positive feel when shifting. Makes me miss my 66 Charger 4spd 383
Thanks! I've been trying different positions with that T-handle, I think you're right the side-to-side probably shifts better on the track. I'll set it up that way for the next drag race video 👍
Man you got him good 😆 🤣 😂
I feel like my practice runs gave me an unfair advantage
I have a 73 charger and the front suspension sucks because of the k frame isolaters and it's a lot heavier but those issues can be fixed with firm feel aluminum isolaters and a set of traction bars for the rear along with a gear change (or just find a sure grip rear end) plus the 361is a good engine for pulling and heavy duty truck use but it's not a big performance platform to start with a 400would be a good start point for a low deck stroker engine or just get some good heads and deck it with a steel crank and after market pistons to bump up the compression decent cam, intake and stronger rods ( rpm are going to scream with the big bore and Short stroke of the 400) and then it should be a real contender plus a charger has that badass body style so it will look good doing it!
A prius would have gotten him good.....
@@robvoyles 🤣🤣🤣
Sorry to bother you again Mr no bolts left behind, what coil packs and spark plugs you recommend for the 5.7 hemi.
Mr no bolts, I like it! Haha. I'm running Champion 570 copper plugs, and they've been great. I'm using my OEM coil packs and they've also been just fine, even at over 100k miles.
Should I leave the coil packs it have right now then, when I bought the engine they told me that it had 48,000 miles on it I open the engine to make sure everything was ok inside, it looks immaculate clean, should I just replace spark plugs only?
@@JuanDominguez-nw8rq yes, if it was me I’d only replace the plugs, your coils should still have lots of life left in them.
Thanks man I really appreciate, 1 more question my car was auto on the column, the tanny on engine is auto where can I search to find auto mecanism to make it auto on the floor.
@@JuanDominguez-nw8rq just get rid of all of the column shift stuff, and search your model number of transmission with "shifter". You should find a bunch of options, and a cable operated one is probably easiest to setup.
Thanks for the video 👍 it's always nice to race with your friends at the track,we go it's like test n tune.
Absolutely! Had a blast out there, hopefully we’ll get back out there soon for another video. Rumor has it he’s LS swapping a 70s truck that should be ready soon..
Alright, a SoCal Mopar TH-camr. You’re probably the closer one I know of. I subbed. Good luck on the channel.
Heck yeah man! There’s a few of us out here.
@@noboltsleftbehind I have a similar race with another TH-camr, Sorta Stock Mopars in Barona Ca next Friday.. are you by chance going to the Duct Tape drags in Tuscon Az end of Sept / start of Oct?
@@JonnyMopar that’s awesome, I’ve always wanted to check out Barona. That Duct Tape drags looks awesome, I wasn’t planning on going but maybe I’ll see if I can make it out there.
Getting ready to install a 6.4 in my 74 dodge challenger
I’ve got a 7.5 in my motorhome
Did you use Dakota digital dash that's what gonna use..
I took the cheaper route and pieced together a set of Autometer Sport Comp gauges. Those Dakota Digital dashes are awesome though, that was my first choice.
Who won the Lightning race in front of you
I don't remember that race specifically but I do remember that Lightning was very quick
@@noboltsleftbehind I might be getting one soon, one of the best trucks ever
@@GroovyBabyYeah agreed 👍
what gears were in the charger? I don't think my 440 with 3:23s would keep up off the line, maybe if tuned perfect that day
I’m not sure what ratio exactly but they seemed to be pretty long gears. Likely factory gears that came with that auto transmission.
My '68 Road Runner has a stock build 383 with 3.23 gears and a Sure Grip. It ran 9.20's on plain street tires and the Mopar Orange box cutting out at higher RPM's.
Love both cars.
Looking good! Great video!
Great video! Keep it up!
You need to let him go pick on /6s I mean who f’ks with a pos 361?
Maybe you can buy him something better! First build he obviously doesnt have 30k to throw at a drivetrain.
I hope you you win buddy 😊
i’m in socal too thinking about picking up a charger440 with double holleys
i don’t like they cut a hole in the hood
Awesome challenger! Thing moves out pretty darn good and the hemi looks factory. Would be cool to see it get a set of Eagle heads! Great job!
Thanks man! I’m glad to head the feedback about the Hemi, it was tough to make it look right with all of the wires and things, I did my best to make it blend in.
The Hemi looks factory? 😂😂😂
That car has bad wheel hop
I love thr challenger but fix the dam T handle shifter knob it's bugging me 🤣
Yeah I know, but way the shifter lever leans toward driver side it makes the T handle very uncomfortable when it’s side-to-side. I’m not trying to miss shifts and make my wrist sore just so the knob is more visually pleasing haha.
@@noboltsleftbehind ohh ok I didn't see it that way
Beautiful car you have!
Thanks!
No helmet required ?
Not at this track for cars running 8.5 seconds and higher
1/8 mile
Yes
You didn’t need a helmet because it a 1/8 miles track?
Yeah, it’s a little less strict than a 1/4 mile. I think the helmet requirement kicks in at around 8.5 and under at this track.
did they ever mention the times?
He showed them did you watch it?
360 is a small block
The Charger has a 361 👍
It’s really too bad the new ones don’t look more like these. They’re all stubby.
Too big and heavy.
Why do people put the shifter Handel sideways like he has his...makes no sense...
It makes for a more solid grip on the shifter when drag racing. I'm sure it depends on what angle the shift lever is bent at, in my case it's bent back pretty far so the sideways T-handle is in a pretty natural position 👍
It does make sense. More natural position for the wrist thats why they are adjustable .
3 speed auto lolz...already knew this was going to be a landslide...4 speed automatics will bog even the most powerful engine down...now i know what ole heads be talking about when they make claims of modern day v6 family sedans putting out more power than actual American muscles back in the day as if i didn't already know...nice "landslide" as i expected...
You have no clue but keep thinking old guys are morons.
Know why some of the fastest cars have 2 speeds?.
V6 are for women
Completely lost me at 361….
Made before the 360s .More of a truck engine not for performance
this really isn't a fair race, the challenger has 100+ more hp, and the 361 is a dog
Fair? Cant choose who you line up with you get what you get
YOU CANT WIN IN BRACKET RACING IN A CLUTCH CAR, MAYBE FUN ON THE STREET
I prefer fun
Wanna bet? Hes not bracket racing either
FYI: a hemi IS a big block mopar.
Mine's a 5.7 Gen 3 Hemi, not sure if that qualifies as a big block. Gen 2 Hemi certainly.
The original is a 426 ci the modern is only 345 ci