ScienceofSpeed K20C1 Civic Type-R Engine Conversion for Honda S2000
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Honda's K20C1, better known as the engine powering the venerable Civic Type-R, is a powerful turbocharged 2.0L engine that is now available as a crate engine from ScienceofSpeed.
Producing in excess of 300 horsepower and 300 lbf/ft of torque, with a package weight that weighs less than the S2000 F series engine, the K20C1 is the ideal replacement for the factory engine for your S2000 race car.
In this video, we break down the nine categories of components required for installing the K20C1 into your S2000. - ยานยนต์และพาหนะ
Great job to SCIENCE OF SPEED for creating such a well put together engine replacement option!
The legendary F20/22c1 used replacement engine is close to extinct. This is a breath of fresh air to s2000 owners!
We always say more options are better, and appreciate your comments!
@@ScienceofSpeedLLC hi, i am from the mini cooper community. With the aging 1st gen(1.6L with supercharger) and 2nd gen (1.6L with turbocharger), our engines are high mileage and getting hard to source reliable replacement motors. We wonder about the 1.5L in the current civics or the k20 as viable options. Would your company branch off doing hondas and possibly create engine mounts for us to use honda modern engines?
For me, the heart of the car is the engine. My s2k will forever have a F20c (ap1) engine in it. That's what makes it a S2k for me. But for those who loves Frankenstein, all the power for you and good luck.
This is awesome Chris. I used to own an AP1 years ago when I lived in Tempe. I now drive a 2018 CTR but really miss my old yellow convertible. It's so great to see your guys' work and passion for the S2K, NSX, and now putting the new Honda heart into the S2K. I hope one day I can get back into one of these beauties or at least see them at the track.
Couldn't agree more!
The fit and finish is amazing. Awesome work.
Thats the best looking s2000 kit ive ever seen.
This looks very impressive to be offer as a "conversion kit". I look forward to more engine/exhaust videos.
Great looking setup there Chris! If I had a S2000, I’d be all over this.
I appreciate the hard work and the skill it took for this to happen. I'm sure it's right for someone.
I can't tell you how dope it is to see this kit being designed for the s2000.
Can't wait to get started on this swap later this year 💪
Great job I own a 2017 ctr batch #1045 sence new now 63,000 miles and that engine is amazing
great job guys!
Great work SoS!
Thanks!
This is Freaking Awesome!!!
I didn't notice the C1 part at first and thought "meh another k20 conversion, done a million times"
Then he mentioned "factory 300 hp" and im like wow. The best conversion ever!
Amazing content right here !
Appreciate it!
that's a perfect setup
This kit is awesome! I wish i would have know this was around before i sold my s2k. Now i drive a cx5 😅
Sick build
Wow. This is unreal. If my F20 blows this is the future. Or sell it since it's too nice to swap and buy a beat up s2k. Love it!
Beautiful job well done guys 👍
Thank you! 👍
Wow, great work! Love the attention to detail from SoS!
Thank you! Cheers!
Amazing job!!
Killer setup! Interested in the longevity of the engine mounted that way on 40tw tires.
S2000 PERFECTION!!
For those saying this swap is too expensive many of you aren't understanding that this is moreso the swap of the future. SOS just brought it to us now. Many people said the same thing about k-swaps when they first came out.
Great perspective Jason, thank you!
Really cool
my dream build sheeeeeshhh
The new Type R swap. Pretty exciting.
i dont even have a s2k but this video makes me want to buy one and buy this kit😂
This is amazing! But boy I’m sure it cost 2 arms and 2 legs 😂 great video.
I would do this if I had a s2000 that was a salvage title. But all original s2k with bolts on sounds too sexy
This is so awesome, but my concern is what happens when something needs servicing. I can buy just about anything locally for my S2K AP1 with the F20 engine. I guess you really better know your way around this set up to service it. I'm just going to buy the science of speed stage 2 SC kit and call it a day.
This is very sick. I have a FK8 and I always loved the S2000. But I have to say. This will be a very very expensive swap. For the F20 and 22 engine are Honda king 4 banger engine. And on boost the s2000 make crazy insane power. I love seeing the hard work of putting a k20c1 in a s2k. But replacing a s2k engine when its already a amazing set up from stock. The k20c1 is amazing motor but so it the s2k fseries.
Damn badass! Not a bad way to spend $17k!
nice!
I'd like to see and head to head with a factory car.
im waiting on more aftermarket support
Interesting
Great. Now let's make one for integra and civic 🔥🔥
Thats cool, but ide never do this to my car. instead Ill add my own turbo kit or supercharger and get more bang for my buck while still keeping true to the s2000 platform. Still give you guys credit for trying something new.
Any timetable on when you will release an functional a/c kit to go with this swap? I assume you want to see how this kit does before you go down that road but really nice work to the SOS team.
Air conditioning is not currently supported. We do recognize the need for AC even on race cars (for example, the NSX GT3 EVO race car is currently available to teams that run the cars in hot humid climates). That being said, there are two factors. 1) packaging 2) ECU control. Packaging will be challenging, as the steering rack and other accessories interfere with the factory K20C1 compressor (which uses a different refrigerant any way). 2) The HPD ECU does not support AC. It's possible with MoTeC, and another solution we are exploring. These issues are something we are exploring, but do not have a time table, or guarantee, that it will be offered in the future.
@ScienceofSpeed Congratulations
This is and outstanding job
But don't you think if you develop a similar kit for the K20c that comes in the Accords and Acuras RDX for swap them
Into street going S2000 AND The triples
FRS/BRZ/GT86/GR86
Could bring even more profit???
Especially if that swap kit comes to mating to a CD009 transmission in said plaftforms??
Ppl are screaming in the streets for a setup just like that
And since you guys got all that knowledge into conversion already
Is a mayor,mayor,mayor,mayor deal
And of course honda don't got to know Anything about it
Hi, I'm a huge fan of your blog, I wish you all the best! I have a question for you, had a ready car for sale with ECU MoTec M-142?
This is so cool. wth
Any chance we could get unedited versions of the Dyno pull and perhaps track runs? It's a safe bet that everyone watching this video to the end also wanted to hear the engine sounds!
The background music in this is entirely unnecessary and extremely annoying though the entire video.
The audio is poor, but we will have some more sound clips up soon :)
Damn, i was trynna do this first
If you have an S2k already you're looking at 7-10K for this kit plus the price of the engine, which they pretty much don't exist on the used market at this point. HPD crate engine is another 7k. So that's 14k minimum on top of the price of the car if you are gonna do the work yourself. If not I'd say another 2-3k at minimum. So in reality you're looking at 20k to get this done unless you have a number of special circumstances. Now if you didn't already an s2k they don't come cheap these days. A decent shape one will set you back mid 20's at best, maybe even 30. So just to be clear if you thought of this is as as ground up project you need about $45k minimum. That's the price of a used Civic Type R, you know a car that was made just a few years ago and is loaded with tons of nice modern features..... Don't get me wrong I love my s2k, but this seems like a silly option to me. It's for rich people that exist in a tiny niche market. The f-series that comes in an s2k is an amazing engine even by today's standards. If you find yourself with a s2k w/ a blown engine, you could swap a normal k20-k24 in the car for a fraction of the price and there's already a huge community that supports that swap. You could even toss in your choice of forced induction and never come close to this type of crazy money. At the end of the day this kit is for someone that wants to say "yeah I got an s2k with the type r swap".
I was thinking the same. I have an s2k w/ 80k miles but if it ever blew up a regular k24 swap would be a way cheaper option like u said, even with boost it stays way under $10k
yup, they should of made a kit for k20/k24
@@cali_cal ballade Motorsports has it
@@Nepypr im almost to 250k miles on mine and I still feel like I can get to 350k on her.
@@cali_cal I thought this kit was for the k20/24 but now I see its not. Yeah going the K20 is probably the most bang for your buck when your S engine finally gives out.
Wonder if there's still an overheating issue had on the fk8 when pushing to the limit.
The only K swap i can get behind
Do you guys plan to make a step by step guide to follow? Also will there be a adapter plate for a CD009 and an accessories kit?
How about if you want to keep the Ac ?
This is cool but now do one for the K20a
will this work for right hand drive models?
that's awesome. and those pants are really tight too.
is it possible to install both the suspension and the torg vectoring system from the 2020 Civic Type R?
patiently waiting for him to drive it all video lol
Do you guys do installation as well?
Can we get this on my ep3 pls !🙏🙏🙏😀
Im not the biggest fan of honda but this swap is well designed for me to want to buy a s2000 just do do it.
Nice. What's the Honda part number for the crate engine 🤔
what is the best oil and viscosity grade for K20C1 engine..?
F20C is still levels above this k series motor, THE SOUND, HIGH REVING NATURALLY ASPIRATED F1 INSPIRED EXHAUST TONE IM GOOD ILL KEEP THE F20 in my s2000😅😀
More options, the better! Surprisingly, this engine sounds a lot like the S2000 engine.
k series has way more options
So obsolete
I'd swap my F20 in a heartbeat for this. If I had the money that is 😂
@@gigatron2008 maybe one day Honda will do a f20 and f22 buyback program
Are you guys going to be working with the cvt integra anytime soon?
Will crate fit a 2006 Honda Civic si coupe 2.0?
DC2 GSR next please
Fr I need to see that
Well if i blow my engine and need a replacement ik what i can put in now
Just make some decent shocks for the base 6MT Civic with K20C2 engine and you get Hybrid like consumption with real racetrack ability. Problem is, it'll only cost about $500 for a set of new shocks and struts.
I wonder did you do before/after runs on track to compare the timing difference between the F20C and K20C1?
We have not done timed comparisons, however, have compared an S2000, Civic Type R, and now this K20C1 powered S2000 (S2000R) at the same track (our home test track, The Podium Club). Impressions are 1) the amount of torque generated from the K20C1 transforms the S2000. Main straight top speed is about 20 MPH higher for example. 2) The lower weight of the S2000 (of 300 lbs) makes a significant difference in braking, cornering, and of course improves acceleration performance. 3) the cooling efficiency is dramatically improved over the Civic Type R - which is limited by packaging (stacked intercooler, condenser, radiator and proximity of downpipe to radiator), especially compared to the v-mounted S2000. Driving in 90 deg F ambient weather, we're seeing a coolant temperature range (directly from the cylinder head) of 180-190 deg F. Hope to share more of these impressions in a future video.
I'm interested. How does this effect the 50:50 weight balance? when I had the super charger I didn't like the front weight increase, it created understeer during corner entry. Then the heat soak for street use was bad so I removed it. If I could test drive this it would help me decide.
He mentions in the video that the overall weight of the k20 (including turbo) is about 20 lbs lighter.
Would a bare long block work with a 04-05 AP2? I still have my f22c1 motor for the valve cover and throttle body.. they selling a built f20c1 and I'm tempted
Id like to pair it with newest accord 10 speed auto
I'd go with a LHT supercharger kit over this for an easy and reliable 440whp, but more options is always good.
Yeah but an used F engine cost almost the same as the car itself
@@ulisesavila2879 Don't need a used F engine, just use the one already in the car .
@@nighthawk0077 yeah, and what happens when it is irrecoverable?
@@ulisesavila2879 what, from driving it into a lake or running a 200 dry shot of nitrous through it? Other than that if you need to just do a rebuild on it like everything else.. 🤷
@@nighthawk0077 My S is coming up on 250k miles. It has too many miles to think of doing a supercharger on it. I am just waiting on the day it blows and this conversion is a contender for sure. The price of F20/22 are pretty insane.
We got guys hitting 90k with no issues on K20C1
Where can I get that same hood?
is there such a ready assembly for sale?
this is awsome work but it makes me wonder, why would I chose a k20c1 conversion for roughly £15k instead of a turbo conversion for existing f20c at £5k roughly and probably more power and torque on stock internals than the k20c1. I' m curious if anyone has any thoughts on my thinking 🤷🏻♂️
I would go with the basic ECU setup if I was to do this swap. Pushing 300+ whp and 300 ft-lb of torque would be enough.
Would an ap1 have to use the CTR throttle body and some sort of peddle sensor in order to use the HPD ecu?
Yes, correct. The engine control package for 2000-05 includes an accelerator pedal position sensor assembly.
Can you do this for my 5th gen prelude next? :P
Where can I find the intake manifold adapter.
This is sold separately as a smaller kit on our website. Please click here for more info. www.scienceofspeed.com/index.php/s2000/scienceofspeed-k20c1-civic-type-r-engine-conversion-kit.html
What wheels are on this car?
Look amazing, remind me of a blend between the NSX and S2000 AP2 wheels ✌️
Thanks! ScienceofSpeed's 2002 NSX style forged wheels, available here: www.scienceofspeed.com/index.php/s2000/scienceofspeed-2002-nsx-style-wheels-s2000-2000-09.html
How has thenhandling dynamics of the vehicke changed?
Net zero weight gain, so no big change to the chassis. The instant torque has really revolutionized the power delivery of the S2000 however.
i worked for Driving Ambition in Sac " Shads place", we did NSX service and install stuff. these guys where the competitors. they run their business much better. have an NSX send it their for the service and install stuff if thats not your jam
Edit: if u own an NSX and have not changed the " clutch master assembly " and u see blak goo on it. change. one of the most over looked repairs on that car. like almost everyone we saw.
Does this engine swap do anything to the weight distribution or is it still at 50:50?
Engine is about 20 lbs lighter, and the conversion adds a small amount, so the net change is about zero.
That’s really impressive. Worth my piece of crap was worth putting this kind of money into it
Will the car pass emissions ?
Whats the rev limit? Whats the final drive u use? Stock 4.1? Would a 4.4 be too short for this engine?
Oh definitely. My car currently has 4.77s, but I'll be swapping to a 3.90 when I do the K20C swap later this year.
Does any of this kit work with any other motor besides the one from the type r?
Great question. The engine that is most comparable is the K20C4 (2.0L turbocharged engine from Accord). This engine uses a very similar block with a different turbocharger, sensors, and ECU (Keihin instead of Bosch components used on the K20C1). Physically, it should fit the same, and we believe that the engine mounts, coolant manifold, intake manifold, transmission mating, and flywheel mating would be the same. The different sensors will create some work for engine control and engine lay over harness compatibility. We hope to verify all this in the near future. This engine is compelling because they are reasonably inexpensive.
@ScienceofSpeed ☝️
This is what i mean in the other comment
That one can be register into a street going car(maybe not in cali,sorry guys)
But the street going S2000s and the Toyota/Subaru triplets definitely can benefit from that swap
How does this conversion compare to a similar stock s2k w turbo kit. Cost to whp/ft lbs tq
A good comparison would be the ScienceofSpeed TS-MAX kit. Depending on the year, and configuration, in general it's about $10,000 for a turbocharger system, fuel system, and engine management. A built engine generally runs about $7,000-9,000.
Hey Chris, we spoke a bit at Honda meet (had the camera, Angel hat, FK8 It black shirt). Something to mention on the website or upcoming video interview is including in the package a OTS differential with that being a weak point of the S2ks.
We've actually had good success with the factory differential with turbocharged S2000s when properly cared for (primarily, reduce shock from things like burn outs). The J's distance rigid collar is a good option to consider when rebuilding the rear end to keep the pinion stable relative to the ring ring, regardless of what engine is in the front of the car.
What's the MPG on the standard tune? Dumb question, I know.
Sorry, this isn't something we have tested. We'd expect it to be similar to Civic Type R.
Looks amazing but would a supercharger kit do the same job?
A supercharger or turbocharger system on top of the F series engine is always a great option (ScienceofSpeed offers both) . This conversion is intended for a customer needing an engine rebuild (worn out S2000 engines are a definite thing as the cars progress in age) and wanting a forced induction system which meets or exceeds the torque delivery possible with forced induction systems being used on the F series. For example, an engine rebuild is ($7,000-8,000+) and requires an engine that is still serviceable. A forced induction system with engine management is ($6,500-8,000+). This puts you at $13,500-16,000+, plus the cost of tuning. This is comparable to the K20C1 conversion, which provides a new engine designed for forced induction from its inception with factory reliability. This option becomes even more compelling when you consider the resale value of the F series engine being removed. At the end of the day, there will continue to be a place for both bolt-on forced induction for the F series, and this new replacement option. Thank you for the great question!
@@ScienceofSpeedLLC $18k would put the f20/22 in the sleeved, built long block with turbo kit, and supporting modifications category, good for 600+whp. I think the k20c swap is a good option, but for someone looking to just make reliable power, it’s not the most cost effective nor the easiest.
Does the kit work with right hand drive vehicles?
We have not been able to verify RHD fitment, so we are listing this as for LHD for now. If a RHD vehicle becomes available for test fit, we will update this information then. More details are available on the FAQ page: www.scienceofspeed.com/blog/faq-scienceofspeed-k20c1-civic-type-r-engine-conversion-for-2000-09-s2000/
Dont have time to watch at the moment. But about time
Super helpful comment.
Ball joint snapper
Do you guys offer the install as well?
Sure do. Please drop us a line at info@ScienceofSpeed.com
This is the s2000 type R we never got, but does it Rev to 9k RPM?
😢👎🏽😥
That s2k looks better than the current nd miata club
That K20C turbo will make the S2000 fishtail all day long.
I own a fk8 ctr and this engine is a beast. By the way if you want fit this engine in a na miata, i gladly sacrifice my r-package miata.