I'M DONE! Disney Finally Admits They RUINED the Sequel Trilogy - REAL TALK
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What irritates me about this whole thing: if Disney was honest about this from the very beginning instead of attacking fans, we probably wouldn’t be in this situation right now
Correct
Humbleness is a rare quality amongst Disney executives
I agree. If only the sequels had more creative control like the other two trilogies did. As much as I want to hate the sequels, I can’t. I can’t be mad at the actors for this, nor the writers. I’m mad at Kathleen for lying to George and the fans. She was the wrong choice for being picked as the president of the company. The Kathleen we knew from the past is gone and is replaced with someone who is nothing more than a liar.
Exactly! Now that you say that I’m realizing how true it is. I’ve loved a Disney and Star Wars for a long time but they made it seem like it was our fault that the movies were bad.
Yeah some Disney executives parents obviously failed to teach em that lesson as a kid
The worst part of this sequel trilogy is how it squandered Carrie Fisher, Harrison Ford, and Mark Hamill. We never got to see them re united and now we never will.
Don't forget Billy Dee Williams
And they failed to use chewy, R2 and Ackbar. They failed the size and scope of the galaxy. The other star wars films made you feel like there was a bigger universe out there. The sequels made everything feel smaller. Things need to grow not shrink and I'm not meaning a star killer base. They needed new ideas, new threats and grow thr mythology. They need better a better creative team.
@@bogdawson2323 to add onto this; their was no reason R2 shouldn't have been utilized. and for him to turn himself off after Luke left was honestly stupid cause he didn't do that with Anakin, and him and Anakin had been together for much longer and grown more of a bond. their was no reason BB-8 shoulda been the main droid
That's why it hurts so much
Okay first of all Harrison Ford wanted out ever since the Empire Strikes Back so they killed Han Solo off so Harrison could move on and Carrie Fisher passed away so it makes her appearances limited.
I was 23 when the first film came out. I have been a fan since, married into Star wars and visited Skywalker weekly for many, many years. At 69 it is supremely sad to watch what is going on. I don't have hope that the spirit will return while Disney helms this franchise. But we have The Clone Wars, the first six films and the Bad Batch. The animations are brilliant.
The mandalorian is also good 👍
@@skimmedmilk5520 season 3 is okay
Unfortunately, society itself was better when the first film was released. Everything has been poisoned with leftism today..
@@cosseybombno season 3 sucked ass. As bad as Book of Bobba Fett 🙄
Watch Ashoka and Andor! Especially if you're an original fan! You're gonna love them
I’m 6 months late but I’m so happy that someone from your generation, with a platform as large as yours, voiced each and every one of the concerns you raised. So often older fans get dismissed for our dissatisfaction with the current product.
It's bc a lot of y'all trashed the prequels, when they were amazing.
@@pnut3844able Opinions vary 🤷♂️
@@pnut3844able Opinions vary🤷♂️
Dooku went through more in ten minutes of Tales of the Jedi than Rey did in 3 movies. Nailed it! I agree with your whole rant.
@@jameshurcombe2049 Got their right hands cut off
@@Lachgummei And Rey survived alone and grew up climbing around an old star destroyer using the Force unbeknownst to her. What did Luke do? Luke is the Mary Sue.
@@Lachgummei from which they instantly got robot hands and that's pretty much it
@@jameshurcombe2049 Analin killed his wife
@@artdeco4143 Luke's aunt and uncle were both burned alive, he then watched his mentor figure die and then found out that his father was the most evil and hated man in the galaxy, responsible for multiple horrific genocides. Just as a few examples
"Evil cannot create anything new, they can only corrupt and ruin what good forces have invented or made"
Yes, this is a Tolkien quote,
Yes, it belongs here too.
underrated comment
Isn't baloney in the states...doesn't that mean bs...like a load of baloney...just saying..
Tolkein's work got done dirty by woke idiots too. Rings of power. Im a big fan of both franchises. I know the feeling
That quote sums up this decade. Definitely in the film industry.
LotR and SW are basically in the same boat rn, if you consider Rings of Power
At the end of the Disney trilogy, Ray is literally the emperor. He said if you killed him, he would transfer his soul into her and she killed him. She is literally the emperor now it’s sad after all that the emperor won
It's a technicality, she just reflected his own attack. Like if you shoot at me and I ricochet it back, did I kill you or was it your own fault?
@@narcosys6934 i a bit late but if the emperor is dead he could just transfer his soul anyways (i think)
@@douglasmacarthur1945 idk if the ritual requires your enemy to strike you down in anger, but like how he wanted Luke to. Since it was reflected, it may be a technicality
@@narcosys6934 oh yea that is true
@@narcosys6934 nah, Palpatine is Rey now. Palpatine won. The end.
The most baffling thing about all of this is that they don't understand WHY all the films are failing.
Disney absolutely ruined the sequel trilogy. The entire concept of trying to make a coherent trilogy by letting each film's director take the film in basically any direction that they desire, regardless of continuity is obviously going to result in a horrible disaster. What complete folly! Kathleen Kennedy is an astonishingly incompetent executive.
Yeah, some great examples would also be that new HBO Max Velma show and the rings of power.
Absolutely. I'd say what the serious problem with the The Last Jedi is that, while Rian Johnson isn't a bad director and he had good ideas to introduce to Star Wars, he decided (and with Kathleen's endorsement) to make his OWN Star Wars film with the SECOND Film of a Trilogy, when his Job was to make a Star Wars Movie and have everything build up the Third Film, cause no doubt the original trilogy wasn't directed by George Lucas but people back then still knew how to make movies properly.
Abrams definitely had intentions for the Trilogy going into force Awakens then everything Changed when Johnson decided to take a giant Dump 💩 on the endless possibilities presented for some subversive bullshit that went nowhere.
On the plus side, we got to witness the most expensive game of Mad Libs ever.
To think Kennedy was involved in so many films as a Producer, many many films, you'd think she'd have learned how to make films but then she turned into a Regressive Feminist.
@@marksalmoneussorcerersupreme seeing her track record she could have been legendary. Wasnt it George who recommended her? Sadly something sucked out her soul and she became a puppet for the disney overlords.
One of my biggest issues with Disney and Kennedy is that they complained about not having any books or comics or anything to inspire their new stuff or whatever. There are literally HUNDREDS of books and comics they could use. They could've picked ANY book series at random in the expanded universe, and the movies would've been way better than what they have now.
also they did pull multiple concepts from legends like clone palpatine, han and leia having a son who falls to the dark side being 2 i immediately think of yet they adapted them terribly. clone palpatine was always stupid but they made it even more stupid and just because they had no ideas
@@crystalbluepartain3434 yes but Jacen Solo‘s fall to the dark side is part of a larger story line. He became Darth Caedus for actual reasons, not because of teenage angst. Disney took a few concepts from legends, fucking them up to a ludicrous extent and then calling it „fanservice“ !
Those books don’t sit well for « modern audiences » if you know what I mean
Exactly.
Not only that but They completely broke their agreement with George by not using his foundation he had already made for the sequels
"At least we've got Dave Filoni." I've never heard something so relatable to the Star Wars fandom in my entire life.
Boy, this aged POORLY 😂😂😂😂😂
Acolyte xD
We had hope, and Filoni killed it.
I 100% agree with the Rey V.S. Ashoka Debate, it isn’t sexism Rey just want written well, Bo Katan is one of my 2 favorite characters from the Disney+ shows cuz she is competent, strong and a true leader. We know from past media WHY Bo Katan is that way, Rey just figured stuff out.
My 12 yr old daughter watched the last jedi and rise of skywalker on her own. She didn't know I was in the other room listening. Even she couldn't grasp why Disney did what they did. The phrase "why are they doing that, it doesn't make sense" was commonly heard from her. If a 12 yr old can realize, then Disney has no excuses
This definitely happened
@@raidengoodman8754 my 9 month old son just watched the book of boba fett by himself, I overheard him from my hiding spot in the closet. This boy said “I am positively miffed at the poor decision making by the showrunners at Lucasfilm. The building tension set up by such a premise as a presumed dead bounty hunter returning to the fold in a new role as crime lord has been tarnished by the lack of urgency, cartoonish visuals, and writing which appears similar to the likes of a teen drama. Truly a disgrace to the character of boba fett.”
@@k--music Unlike yours, OP's comment actually makes sense
Well. I tend to consider st age 10 one is already mentally capable of evaluating media. So saying even a 12 year old can notice is underestimating 12 year olds. But that just proves you don't need any studies to notice it is bad, which proves it IS objectively so.
I worked at a day care and summer camp for over five years, supervising elementary aged children five days a week...I 100% believe a 12 year old child could see the BS in ROS as you have described. Not being sarcastic!
I think they realized it when mark hamill said it was a real Pity that Harrison Ford,
Carrie fisher and mark didn’t get the chance for a reunion on camera together
That was one of many tragedies
I am still bothered we were denied this reunion and so much more...I was out after the TFA. Mando is what brought me back. Andor has ready for a new movie.
Absolutely, a total no brainer. And chewie past over for a grief scene. Ridiculous
Growing up, I always watched the original franchise with my dad. 90s baby here, but my dad LOVED the original films, sadly he passed in 2012 so he never got to see the disney sequels. Knowing him, I really don't think he would've enjoyed them, maybe for the amazing visual effects/cgi, etc. Other than that, I think something that was so special to him would've been ruined in my opinion, hopefully Ahsoka will be a step in the right direction. Appreciate the videos man!
Do you think Ahsoka was that change that was needed, now that part of it is out?
I think so honestly, so far so good@@mikeexits
Man, the ending gave me chills. I'm 36 and have also been a fan since I was 6. I get it man. Literally cried tears of rage at episode 9. I felt like my entire childhood was ruined. My friends tell me all the time I need to podcast about my feelings. Dave is the only guy holding it together.
Man, at 9?? That’s exactly how I felt at episode 8! Lol
When Mark Hamill said he didn't care anymore after being huge fan himself. That's when it really hit home for me.
yes, i have never experienced total apathy for anything like Disney's Star Wars...
its gone beyond apathy at this point to sheer spite for Disney for what they have done.
That crushed me when he said the last Jedi was not his luke
@@johnpaulpastore5394 Always thought the Luke from "Jedi Academy" (the game), was the best version.
He trained new jedi in the way of the force by teaching them that Light and Dark abilities were beneficial, as long as the dark side doesn't consume one or determine your fate. He felt like a wise master, who had seen his own father, who once was a jedi, turned evil returning back to the light side of the force.
Hence, why he wouldn't be so avert to seeing dark side abilities/tendencies of the forece being used or touched upon.
The Luke past his father's death would guide new force users to make use of both sides of the force and balance them out.
But the movies turned him into a scared (of the dark side), inexperienced and unsmart hermit.
... That really doesn't fit with the conclusion of "Return of the Jedi".
@@equest511 They had to dumb down "The chosen one" because he would 100% overshadow any main character they could come up with.
Luke isn’t the Chosen One. He never was, nor was he ever meant to be. Anakin IS the Chosen One. Even George has said it, himself. That even when he’s in the (Darth Vader) suit, he is still the Chosen One.
Luke is merely the catalyst.. to bring his father back to the Light.
Blaming the fans proves only one thing: Never give responsibility to the people who don't take responsibility.
I still can't believe that they spent all the money just to give us this Sh** Show of a story. There were so many good novelizations of continued storylines for the original trilogy that do justice to the story. I would be happy with a movie adaptation of "Heir to the Empire" that would've been awesome.
Kathleen Kennedy is a woman and accountability is a woman's kryptonite
@@rbustamante86after ahsoka I think that we will get heir to the empire movie
Totally agree - we're not toxic fans, we can like/dislike what we want and can have opinions. It doesn't make anyone less of a fan.
Im really hoping in Ahsoka, she goes to the world between worlds, and looks in a different timeline and see's rise of Skywalker. Thats how it can remain. And Disney could sink the brand and the next day release an heir to the empire adaptation and make a trillion $
I saw a theory that the events in the sequal trilogy, was a result of Ezra not being able to save Ahsoka from Vader. And him Saving her through the world between worlds, cleaned the slate clean
i keep saying this
That would be a great way to retcon that garbage.
How can that work? Carrie is gone :(
@@Perfectcrime87 Deepfake is beginning to get seriously good, and there are actors and actresses out there that can provide a very convincing lookalike!
They don’t need to admit anything. True fans know…. Sequels had no plan. Lied to George and rushed out a quick copy of nostalgia for the original trilogy. George said it would take 10 years to make it right. They announced a trilogy as soon as they bought it. Didn’t even have it planned. It’s simple. They made a huge mistake and one that tore half the fan base apart..
I had misgivings all the way back to when Disney bought Lucasfilm and before the ink was even dry on the sale they had announced a new trilogy of films and it only amplified when all they talked about was how they were going back to practical effects even down to the original cameras used to film A New Hope and it just had this air of "Hey we hated the prequels too so we're going back to the original trilogy!" and someone who was a fan of the prequels that didn't help and that's ontop of them canceling the EU.
Sadly time has only borne out how right my gut instinct was. I wanted to be proven wrong but sadly I was right.
Look, I dislike the prequels but at least it was one director and one writer. Makes a huge difference when you have one vision. Or even a vision at all.
@@jxchamb That last sentence you typed sums it up. Disney never had a vision for Star Wars, was always a souless cash grab to them.
What you said makes sense now that I think about it.
I really got into Star Wars (like REALLY got into it) shortly before TFA through the Darth Bane books. Imagine how happy I was when they announced: Hey we are gonna scrap EVERYTHING you enjoyed but we are gonna make different Things that suck ._.
I can’t believe Kennedy said she was doing fan service with the sequels. My goodness those movies were so far from fan service. No one wanted Luke to be like that.
it was a character assasination, they are high on anti-patriarchy under KK reducing all the male characters to broken excuses for men instead of the symbols of hope and strength we held them as before.
It was such great fanservice to nuke the old expanded universe so Lucas film had f all to work with well done KK, what a joke.
Imagine not putting Luke, Leia, and Han all together for an on-screen reunion, despite having every opportunity to do so, and calling that fan service.
nobody can climb the corporate ladder without the ability to tell bare faced lies convincingly.
no one wanted any of the legacy characters to be like they where, they all where given terrible sendoffs.
This was great and summed up perfectly what all us old fans have been thinking and feeling. I agree with everything you said except for your belief in Filoni being the person moving Star Wars forward. I feel like he was good with the animated shows, but is lacking when it comes to live action. I think you need to also give props to Favreau. Together, they have done wonders with the property.
KENNEDY NEEDS TO BE FIRED, PUBLICLY HUMILIATED. She had nothing to do with the success of any film shoes involved with. She married into royalty basically she married Frank Marshall and then had access to Spielberg and Lucas. She was a runner at best she got coffee and said yes sir no sir invited her time. She wants nothing more than to destroy Lucas film and she's doing a damn good job she needs to be fired she has nothing to offer she never has. She is just pure evil. I'm not joking.
The way they treated the OT characters is unforgivable. It was nothing less than a crime.
Hey at least we still have Lando… LOL
@@andrewmacdonald5884 yea but like why he could’ve died much sooner and honestly should’ve considering he’s not that lucky lol
Easy. Its star wars, not the bible. Lol
@@XenoBeastNick Have you seen what they've done to the Bible? Maybe Hollywood doesn't like to read.
Yeah. It was terrible how Last Jedi turned Luke into the best written character with the most depth and complexity, in the whole of the movid saga
Such a shame we've lost many of our OG trilogy actors. And some of their last performances was wasted. We as fans was truly robbed.
Were*
Well Mark Hamill and Carrey Fisher gave their best performance in TLJ. And in my head canon the sequel trilogy ends with TLJ cause it still has some dignity. But truly Hamill and Fisher absolutely killed it.
100% agree. It’s unforgivable what Disney did to Star Wars.
@@WhiteOwlOnFire_XXXthank you lol
@@airyshark324 I hate bad grammar.
Great video and great points! The one thing I would disagree with is that part of the reason Solo failed was being released 5 months after the divisive TLJ. That movie was pushed back from May to December, and Solo should have been, too. General audiences were so turned off by TLJ that they didn’t want to see another SW movie so soon.
Agreed from one who was in the theater with my parents as a kid watching "Star Wars, Ep IV, A New Hope" in 1978. Thanks for explaining the problem so well and also for ending on a positive note. And of course, as we always say around here, thank God for Dave Filoni.
"You made luke a god damn Bitch" - Best Star Wars Theory quote hahah
And the mandalorian just make it worse, 5 years after the fall of the empire and he doesnt even have 1 student, ahsoka dont want to help him and he still building the academy where he will try to kill his students, probably still a virgin.
😂😂😂
@@Ivan_Berni
Luke was kicked ass in Mando and Boba Fett.
How is it “fan service” and “playing it safe” to kill off beloved characters like Luke Han and Leia?
I mean, I get it with Han, Harrison Ford famously doesn't like Star Wars all that much and was wanting to stop playing Han in episode 5, so I expected him to die in TFA, Leia, they didn't really have a choice did they what could they have done? But Luke? There was no excuse for that, Mark Hamill is clearly passionate still about that character, he talks about Star Wars to this day like an excited child, he could, would and should have had a far better run with Luke in the sequels.
It was "fan service" in that they forced the legacy characters to fit into the stories they wanted to tell, rather than being true to the characters, and hoped that the legacy elements would be enough to satisfy the established fan base.
"Playing it safe" was going along with the production trends in Hollywood, checking diversity boxes and playing to agendas (and China). It was easy to stick with the groupthink.
It isn't, they're trying to blame the fans again
Exactly. They didn’t even put them in the same frame and made Han a deadbeat dad. It was all about tearing down male characters. That was their only plan.
@@cptsteele91 the worst part is that Harrison Ford doesn't want to do Star Wars anymore so we won't have any closure when it comes to the character.
Carrie Fisher died and she will be remembered based on the Sequels with no chance to star in any other movie to bring closure and with only Mark Hamill still present to maybe fix things, a true sequel to the Original trilogy isn't exactly possible
The sequel trilogy should NOT be canon. The only way Disney can make it right is by scrapping it and letting Lucas be in charge of a new sequel trilogy. It's such a travesty that time was wasted and we lost Carrie Fisher in the midst of it. Now that I am thinking about more in detail, I'm very angry. F*** Disney.
They KILLED the ENTIRE Skywalker bloodline... And had a Palpatine make a mockery of their heritage after they're all gone 🤬!
The biggest crime was not having Luke, Han, and Lea together one last time. I mean who in their right mind gets all three of them to sign onto a movie, and then decide not to have them reunite?
Not going to even get into character mishandling, making Rey a god, or killing Han for shock value.
Edit, yes I know Han was meant to die. I’m referring to the way it was handled.
Yet another edit since you have to spell everything out for the readers now. Han was meant to die because Harrison Ford. Yes I know. I thought simply stating Hans death that would be inferred and people would understand I was referring to the way it was handled.
Harrison Ford wanted Han to die, so I get that. But the way they killed off Luke for no apparent reason other than the fact he was tired after a little Force-wielding was the dumbest thing I'd ever seen on film.
@@DK-gy7ll They killed Luke before he even died 💀😭💀😭
@@DK-gy7ll I agree that was the most BS way to kill off one of the best characters in SW of all time I was so upset when I saw that
@@DK-gy7ll I know Harrison wanted to kill of Han, but Hans death is one of the most wasted deaths in movie history. It’s only real function was to be shocking. It didn’t change the plot. His death had no emotion. It didn’t even have any real impact on the other characters. It was a terribly handled death.
Or the fact Han apparently didn't learn his lesson and went back to being a selfish smuggler, abandoning his partner and child. Made no sense. Complete 180 on his entire character arc in the OT.
The biggest problem is that Disney goes hard one way or the other. They either lock down creativity with executive decisions or give random or questionable talent full creative license.
Dave Filoni isn't random or questionable. He made clone wars.
Ron Howard definitely not either.
So I assume you mean the rogue one director (Gareth Edwards). He nailed it though
@@aightm8 uhhhh. Try Rian
@@christopher6337 oh yeh
@@aightm8 its not just star wars it applies to Disney as a whole. look at some of the recent mcu stuff, they are just giving funding and creative control to anyone who pitches a marketable idea. hence why it feels so disjointed and weird as of late.
@@aightm8 Dave Filoni is indeed random and questionable oftentimes. He screwed up a lot on Clone Wars too.
I‘m 43 years old. I‘m into Star Wars since I’m 6 years old too. The Disney+ shows - with the exception of Andor and the first two Mandalorian Seasons - have been a huge disappointment. They are disappointingly mediocre. Especially when you see how much great shows are out there right now. The Last of Us, Fallout, House of Dragon, The Continental, Shogun, 3 Body Problem… heck… even Star Trek turned it around recently with Picard‘s third season and Strange New Worlds.
Star Wars NEEDS to be great again.
I really don't get it. I understand money now is worth more than the same money later due to accruing interest, but I feel like the behavior of publicly traded corporations these days just doesn't make sense. Why do these companies struggle so much to see more than one fiscal quarter into the future??
Man it is so refreshing to hear him tear them apart. I was so upset when the sequels were coming out because I noticed all the things he’s pointing out but he never talked about them. Now he is ripping them apart and I’m loving it!
Same i've been saying how SWT feels for a while now, it's why i left watching his videos, cause he just seemed to be ignoring all the issues. Trying hard to "stay positive", keep looking on the bright side, but rest of us we all could see how it's been falling apart at Lucasfilm. Only Favreau & Filloni have been holding it together with their awesome "Mandoverse", and even Kennedy has tampered with that abit in BOBF.
@@RaikenXion Same, I used to watch him regularly but he never pointed out their issues that openly, I just love that he is being open about it now.
Yet he calls Andor shit. Think about that.
@@lustrazor44 Andor isn't perfect but it's not total shit either.
@@ProfessorHobo I like it so far, but to be fair I'm only 4 episodes in, so maybe that tells something about it too.
57 year old fan here, and have been a fan ever since watching ANH in the cinema back in 1977. I have read a lot of what is now termed “legends”, and imho Disney screwed up by declaring that immense trove of material “non-canon”. I would have loved to see Talon Harrde and Mara Jade just to name a few, shown in the silver screen.
As you very well put it, they didn’t need to reinvent the wheel.
They destroyed it by axing the extended universe. We will never see Luke at his prime being the most powerful Jedi. They had so much content paid out for them. They could’ve just used books and comics as scripts and made billions off the true fans
@@bigjake8943 Not necessarily. They could always do a show or movie using his voice and CGI over a double as they did for a couple scenes of him and Princess Leia. He might need to keep his hood up a lot to save money though.
By far, their dumbest mistake.
I like Corran Horne, and Jaina Solo was everything they wanted Rey to be and then some. Honestly, I am thankful, because losing that legends canon and a the hours I invested in those books allowed me to disconnect from the tragedy of the sequel trilogy. They essentially closed my account.
@@jonahuniqorn952 That’s how I feel too. Well put. I couldn’t fathom the bizarre decision of trashing so many beloved stories, which also had the true “feel” of Star Wars, too. It turned me off years ago.
Star Wars is now officially KK's platform to realize her fantasy. Rey (KK) will gloriously rebuild the Jedi order that will be her legacy now, completely negating all of Luke's (George) accomplishments who is now a complete, cynical failure. Everything Luke should have been, will now be Rey.
I do agree with Kathleen Kennedy on one thing. If they had released Solo with a deep faked younger Ford, it would probably have done a lot better. Think about how ground breaking that would have been. It would have been huge. That being said, the primary reason Solo flopped was because TLJ sucked.
The tragedy for me is that I saw where the potential was for these movies, but it never pays off. I've loved Star Wars my entire life, and it makes me sad to see it struggle like this
The middle movie ruins it they wrote themselves into a box with no way out.
@@evacody1249 I’d argue even though the force awakens was mid, the other two could of been gold
@@Daddyvader7 Thinking the same thing. Awakens isn't the best movie but it was open ended enough where a good writer could progress the story in the right direction. But then RJ had to go and try to reinvent Star Wars instead of just sticking to what would work. Leaving no way to salvage the trilogy. Unless JJ was some kind of genius, I can't see any way he could have salvaged it after TLJ.
It’s so fucking woke and the protagonistas get Mary Sue treatment in the name of Feminism.
RIGHT?!? Like I actually saw things going places for Rey, that she was going to have really good character development after the first movie and that Luke’s whole hermit thing would have an interesting and sympathetic justification and development. NOPE. Rian Johnson quite literally said “FUCK ALL THAT, I DON’T CARE!”
This is why franchises should not be owned by corporations. Corporations aren’t looking to create art. They are looking for mass appeal, and profit. Franchises belong in the hands of artists, who respect fans and the material.
Given the anemic effort on full display in the sequel trilogy hopefully gives fans fresh perspective on movies like "Solo." It wasn't epic but it was a solid origin story while expanding the universe, offering context during the era of the Empire's campaigns to dominate the galaxy.
No plan, no development, no good writing, no good characters, selfish, corporate money grab. That’s all this is. Disney’s dumpster fire needs to burn out.
“Fan service” is their way of passing the blame onto the “fans” and absolving themselves of their mistakes. She’s not talking to the fans, but to the board.
I agree with you. It's another way of saying "but we did all that FOR YOU!!!". Just awful.
Perhaps ignore them look at it like Luke and them fulfilled the purpose after 6 and enjoy the content we have now. Then perhaps if they do a series years after The supposed Sequel timeline it can be enjoyed clean slate
I was just reading how Geena Davis was persona non grata in Hollywood after her $100 million film, Cutthroat Island, flopped. How do you justify 5 movies underperforming in the billions? Blame fans and women-haters (who took over the fandom).
The thing that baffles me the most was how much resources they had at their disposal. They had the EU, Dave Filoni, Lucas's notes, the financial and commercial power of Disney, the rising wave that was the MCU and much more.
Why can't they see this. EU already exists. Story is already there. Just do it! No here's my story that's not canon now.. like you don't know more about STAR WARS. Then George mfing Lucas deals feloni and STAR WARS itself
Yeah because these Hollywood "creatives" think they can make a more interesting story and characters without using source material or the essence of the world that's already laid out in front of them, and they fail time after time again.
EU? Filoni? Lucas? Pssht! Disney Star Wars had the original creative imagination of JJ Abrams and Social Justice!
The most important part was that they had fans and an extended universe that were incredibly complex and interesting. They didn't even need any of their hack Hollywood writers. Just grab some of the super-fans that really know this stuff. Like you said, they had "unlimited power" and they squandered all of it.
Yea because Disney was such a champion of respecting it's audience before they had marvel and star wars under their umbrella and Filoni totally didn't ruin all respect he had by selling his coworkers down the river so he could make an Ashoka show that will probably blow chunks thicker than your mom and Lucas totally didn't make the worst decisions ever regarding the original trilogy and then followed that up with Phantom Menace and Attack of the Clones which are boring movies that do nothing but set up a movie that works without the setup because A New Hope worked without the setup
I am truly broken by what they have done with star wars, they got george's amazing ideas, the MAKER of the story, and threw the ideas in the trash, I am crying rn because I grew up with star wars like many people and I am just heartbroken, I know star wars since I remember being alive.
This has to change, George didn't worry THAT much to impress people, he was telling a beautiful story.
I hope this changes.
Honestly if they wanted to milk money from Star Wars franchise I’m surprised they haven’t created a Vader trilogy. Just tapping into what he went through between episode 3 and 4. Now that would bang if done correctly
I was 12 when the originals came out and was absolutely thrilled that I got to share that kind of experience with my oldest son when the prequels came out. He was too young to understand the flaws in those and he loved them. So when this latest batch was coming out I was equally excited to share them with my youngest son, who is 10 years younger than his brother. Sadly, we made it through the first one and that was pretty much it. I was so heartbroken with what I saw that I didn't really want him to have that as his Star Wars memory. I can never forgive Disney.
My dad shares the same thoughts as you. Me and my big brother are big prequel fans, but the sequels never brought us together like Star Wars used to.
I took my son to see TFA when he was 3 years old. I don't know if he really understood what he was watching, but he's a smart kid. I was 3 when the original Star Wars came out and no one took me to watch it so I wanted him to have that experience. Even though we have seen every Star Wars film, Clone Wars, Rebels, Mandalorian, Boba, he never once wanted to rewatch any of the sequel films and I only own TFA. I couldn't bring myself to buy Episode 8 and 9.
@PryorTravis You at least got the shows and spin-off movies.
@@thechairman74 Yeah I would really dislike watching TFA again. Haven’t watched it since it was in theaters. Just a ANH ripoff. TLJ and a good bit of TROS though are a joy to watch for me. I rewatch em every now and again.
@@chewy99. Eww. To each their own, but anyone who knows anything about the lore and how things are supposed to work knows that the Sequels just completely ignored everything and didn't even have a coherent story to tell. If there was ever a definition of dumpster fire, you'd see a picture of all three covers of the Disney Sequels.
I’d say the thing that gets me mad the most about the sequel trilogy is that not even once that Luke, Leia and Han shared the screen together which is crazy to think… damn
This is what infuriated me the most also!!! And now fans will never get to see that happen, no matter what Disney does with Star Wars next.
I would love to know why they thought not having them 3 together on screen was a good idea? It was a monumental mistake that fans will never forgive.
How they treated Finn in The DISNEY Trilogy after Force Awakens is one of the things, I did not like about those movies,
And what makes it worse is that now they can't ever have them on screen together
@@josephvalenzuela311 Agreed. It's almost as though they didn't want protagonists beside Rey, but didn't dare to tell the blackamoor to go away because the blackamoor has done his job...
Disney has zero understanding of any of their movie projects and; the psychological/emotional impact of these movies on the viewers. Not only has Disney ruined the Star Wars series; they had an excellent opportunity with the Tron franchaise as well but ruined this too.
Man that first comment after the article was on point. I’ve also wondered why they don’t just get the original authors and help them adapt their stories to film. Same way Thrawn became such a popular villain despite only ever being in the Zahn trilogy. Your point at the end hit home about being lifelong fans. I literally can’t remember a time in my life without Star Wars. I don’t remember the first time I saw it. I always remember having toys and getting Star Wars LEGO sets for xmas. Pretending to lightsaber duel with flashlights with my older brother. I remember seeing the Phantom Menace in theaters when I was like 8 and thinking it was the coolest thing ever. When I left the theater after ep7, I didn’t necessarily hate the movie, but I was disappointed. It felt like not only did nothing happen, but everything that did happen before just didn’t matter. It was immediately obvious that it was some sort of lazy rewrite of the original movie. I left ep 8 actually annoyed and then ep 9 just made 0 sense. People hate on the prequels, but at least they told a cohesive story that built upon the original instead of tearing it down.
Kennedy says “fan service” (should read “customer service”) was to blame. What fan service? Slapping fans in the face? These people are out of touch.
What kind of fan service is ridiculing fans for getting emotional about characters they absolutely love. Makes absolutely no sense
"Fan service" is throwing something into a story for the sole purpose of pleasing the fan base. "Fan service" is often (but not always) considered a negative term, while "easter egg" carries the more positive connotation.
At the most basic level, fan service is of no value to the story. Easy example is Dr. Evazan and Ponda Baba making their cameo in Rogue One.
At a more advanced level, fan service is forcing a legacy element into a story to try to boost its acceptance. Often this means that it doesn't fall in line with what came before. Prime example is TFA.
In contrast, Andor gives us a proper use of legacy. The appearances of Mon Mothma and Admiral Yularen are both relevant to the story and fit in with what has already been established. It is not fan service, but good writing.
@@sampewett6032 emotional adult star wars fans deserve ridicule. Touch grass
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I'm so glad you got this off your chest! Thank you for saying loud and clear what so many of us have also been wanting to say. The content we've been getting from Lucasfilm (besides work from Filoni) has been really unacceptable. Hearing how Rian wants a film to be divisive broke my heart and kind of feels like he's just trying to cover up his failure. We have always been stronger together and the lack of unity that has been in our fandom since the sequels came out has broke my heart. The solution to all their problems is ridiculously simple and that they can't see it really shows how blind and oblivious to their own audience they are: Just give it all to Filoni. He will bring balance as he has in every project he releases. Star Wars is by nerds for nerds, how they're expecting fans who fell in love with Star Wars because of George's stories to be happy with projects that weren't directed or produced by people who fell in love with George's stories is beyond me. It's ridiculous and unacceptable. We just want Star Wars. Thank you for this video. All of this needed to be said.
Create a new timeline... pick up from 50 years after return of jedi. After Luke's death or soon to be death and tell the story of his young jedi temple as the young jedi look to branch out the jedi influence in galaxy... Have Han's kids and Luke's kids in the temple and thrown in some aliens and give luke or Han a kid with dark side leanings. Maybe make a palatine grand kid be somewhere in the mix. Boom. A story filled with force users.
Filoni is The One referenced in the prophecy. He will bring balance.
I will not suffer crows that come to feast on their corpses! -King Viserys I
At least we get to hear what he thinks, however cracked. I can't find any interviews with Richard Lester about his experience on _Superman II_ and what he was thinking with his changes. Some kids saw that as their first live-action, non-kiddy movie for which they were awestruck, so it's perfect to them. Others have different opinions.
Duel of the Fates… who knew the duel was between Filoni’s vision and understanding of Lucas vs Kk-RCJ verse. Filoni understands the heart of what Lucas was trying to accomplish and has the ability to carry the vision forward. KK doesn’t.
Much like the dark side, quicker, easier, more seductive. That’s what Disney has done. They were given great power. And we know the line about “With great power…”.
Point in case. I have a friend of 27 years thy had NEVER seen Star Wars. Two years ago we took him through OT and Prequels and Rogue One. He FELL IN LOVE. Then he saw the sequel trilogy. He wanted to quit. Then he saw Mando and fell in love again. Then he saw Boba Fett and was let down. He gave up halfway through Andor. Keep in mind this isn’t a guy that is married to nostalgia for the hood old days. His exact words “This series seems schizophrenic and doesn’t make sense. I won’t give anymore of my life to this franchise.”
It was my LOVE of Star Wars I wanted to share with my friend. Not the franchise itself. I wanted him to fall in love. And he did. And now he is resentful of what Disney has done to his love of the franchise, a guy who has only been a fan for a couple years. He looks at me and says, “I remember how much this meant to you growing up. I can’t imagine what you’re feeling.”
The biggest problem was KK's first priority was to deconstruct the male legacy characters and reform the SW universe as her own. She wanted to kill George's legacy. all problems stem from that.
Yep.
Well, Andor director isn't a fan of the franchise and yet we all now know that Andor absolutely slaps, so I don't know. He did consult Wookipedia, which shows that he seems to respect what he was working on even if he's not a fan of the source material. I think being able to respect what you're adapting, and willing to listen to the people that do love it, is sometimes more important than loving it yourself.
I love how 10 years ago it was the fans of the OT dunking on the PT, then the ST comes out and both OT and PT fans mutually agree that maybe the PT wasn’t so bad after all.
It’s a cycle of hate
As kid who grew up when the PT came out and always defended it it’s pretty funny, but let’s not forget PT did get heavily padded by the masterpiece of clone wars and the adjacent shows.
this is true. the PT did receive hate. If you listen closely, the portrayal of Anakin is still getting dunked on til this day. People say Clone Wars Anakin is their definitive Anakin, not the one George directed.
also PT became better after clone wars series
Hahaha as an OT fan this is 100% true. Except I liked the PT, it was just a tad dark.
Please release the George Lucas 7-9 already! Even if it’s just legends or visions he deserves to have his final story told! Help spread the movement guys! We can do this! Hopefully before George passes away!! We owe him!!
Isn't the antagonist in Lucas' sequel trilogy supposed to be Maul? In which case, it'd be too late for that sadly.
That would be awesome. But it’ll never happen. Disney can’t see anything but $$$. They won’t share it with Lucas if they can keep releasing garbage and getting billion dollar returns.
@@lmojol9673 I'd settle for Jar Jar taking Maul's role
@@unsavedprogress1419 hell ya I like that idea haha
@@unsavedprogress1419 good ol darth jar jar
forreal more fanservice for other sith lords and their tales would be great. they could easily adapt the kotor 1 - 2 into a great 3-6 movies of Raven's war with the mandalorians would be the first movie, the downfall and corruption of raven as the second.
Meetra Surik would become the hero and protag in the second/third (a strong female character something disney wants right?)
Meetra, would find Revan's force body that would be seperated from his physical body that would be the villain.
Maybe even write it all the way to where Kreia betrays Meetra and have Darth Nhilist and Sion end up making cameos.
I feel like since kotor takes place 4000+years before Vader, they would have much more freedom in writing and building and casting characters for their movies.
It's a story not many fans would know and with many twists and turns, not to mention the hot female protags who go through hell and back.
Darth Nhilist would be a terrifying enemy, that has infinite potential to return since he achieved immortality and exists within his mask, that can over power whoever wears it. Literally making him a strong candidate to be brought back AFTER Palpatine's end in a new continuation.
If disney really wanted they could be milking the fans for every penny.
Atleast they admit it. That’s a sign of growth. But the damage is already done
the damage is done
They can still de-canonize sequels.
@@julijan2653 yes remove them from canon and give us a live action adaptation of the thrawn trilogy novels.
just adapt them the same way HBO adapted GOT and HOTD. Star wars really needs to start using source material and adapting them instead of just making stuff up out of the blue and cherry picking.
They can always retcon them. Literally nothing at the moment besides maybe resistance depends on them existing.
It’s been years!!!!! Don’t protect them, the don’t deserve kudos for that. 😂
It is still unbelievable that Disney spend $4 billion and didn't bother to sit down and write out the 3 movies before they started.
why would they the plebs showed up anyway to give them money they had no need to think out anything they made.
Remember, Lucas gave Disney the outline for the sequels when they 1st bought Star Wars, they threw the outlines Lucas gave them in the trash.
It's just irresponsible, to waste that much money by not taking more care. Even George wrote out three movies, before trying to fit it all in to the first one, because he wasn't sure he would get to make the other 2. That clearly isn't the case here....
They didn't even have a plan, as shareholder you should be fuming over the risk management of Disney and Lucasfilm. They just improvised 3 movies that would impact the value of a $4 billon dollar asset, if most people did that on a $100,000 project you would be shown the door.
So sad and pathetic honestly
I walked out of LTJ broken and empty. I couldn't believe how it trashed star wars lore and characters. When the TROS came out I had my blinders on. I was so happy to see at least an attempt to fix what TLJ destroyed. Years later and a bunch on video essays about TROS and my blinders were off. I saw how TROS made Vaders sacrifice null and void and my positive view of the movie was erased. Then the Mandalorian cam out and I enjoyed season 1 and 2 especially how it treated Luke with the respect he deserved. Then Disney put the final nail in the coffin with the horrendous Book of Boba Fett followed by the utter garbage of Obi-Wan. After that I canceled Disney plus and won't ever be back.
Star Wars ment a lot to me. It was a fundamental part of growing up and I remember being so eager to go to the library to get a new EU book to read and learning all I could about the universe of Star Wars.
I've taken to separating Star Wars in to "Actual Star Wars" and "Disney Star Wars" and will never invest in the latter both financially or emotionally.
At this point Star Wars seems irreparable to me. I can't even properly enjoy the original trilogies anymore seeing as how the accomplishments and character arcs/developments of the main cast have been negated.
Do you guys remember, when Anakin tried to hold back the (fire) explosion, in the Clone Wars tv show? This is what they should have been done for Leia. It would have been absolutely awesome if we go a scene like that, instead of the flying Mary Poppins scene we got.
I feel you yet I also find it funny they used a similar scene in an EU book where there was an incident with Vader was jettisoned from his TIE fighter and he used the Force to reenter the craft and seal it so he could survive until a Star Destroyer came to pick him up. I wasnt completely upset with that scene only because of that. It seemed to me that though they state they didnt have content to pull from they have used quite a few elements from the EU in the making of the ST. Kennedy Abrams and Johnson and whoever pull their strings should never touch another project again.
similar scene in star wars rebel show. when caleb died.. ...... i think thats his name.
Disney: We admit that we messed up the sequel trilogy.
Everyone else: You don't say. 😐
Ikr
dammit ofc i gotta be the 66th like 😒
1. Emperor Palpatine came back via clone in the comic series Dark Empire (by DH comics), I loved this series and thought is was on par with the movies, they presented it in a way that was fresh and showed it to be part of his plan all along. Ep.9 just shoe-horned it in as an easy, lazy plot device, I agree on that point, but like the way Dark Empire handled it. 2. Darth Plageius was never meant to be part of the prequel narrative beyond his brief mention in Ep.3, Ian McDiarmid admits in an interview that he played the scene as if that was the case, but it was never part of Lucas intention. I think it makes no sense to retcon Plagieus into the narrative, The Ballad of Darth Plagieus would have been written about a well know character, not someone who had only recently passed by (by Sith merder ascension, but...........)
“It is such a quiet thing to fall. But something even more terrible, is to admit it.” - Kreia
The most complex force user
“Apathy is death.”
Fucking love Kreia. So much wisdom
@@rustyshackleford9811 probably the only teacher I paid attention to throughout college. Might explain why I’m so cynical 😂
I’m 48 and I’m fuming at what Disney had done to Star Wars.
I agree with everything you said.
There are some amazing novels they could have adapted, like the Bane Trilogy and Darth Plagueis.
Right?!
Can't get over my head when that 'B....H' said.. there's not enough SW content to work with.. what an ignorant human being but then again she knows what she did.. she was no ignorant about it, she purposely and willfully destroyed perhaps the number 1 franchise in human existence, that says a lot to go into history as that person. Anyhow, well said SWT, glad you opened up and spoke the truth, and didn't get bought out to speak the opposite in exchange of subs, or perks. I applaud you!
Three steps to recover Star Wars:
1. Fire KK. Loudly and visibly, and vocally hang all of Disney Star Wars's woes around her neck, because that's largely where they belong. You'll piss off some people, but that's okay, because the people you'll piss off share the remainder of the blame.
2. Give Dave Filoni a blank check. You're not going to get Lucas back (he'd never work well with Disney anyway) and he's the next best thing.
3. Limit Filoni to two jobs: shepherding his own stories (TCW, Ahsoka, etc.) and as the last word in any creative decisions. Run _everything_ past him. Anyone whose pet project is turned down or fixed who starts into the usual "istophobic" claims gets blackballed (this includes "journalists"). The man's basically a saint, so those claims wouldn't work anyway, but you know someone's going to try it.
A 4 billion dollar franchise, without a theatrical release in 3 years, reduced to live action television series. How KK & Co. hasn't been fired off the face of the earth is something my brain can't seem to process
2 Live action series, Andor and Mando are both peak. But you right, screw Kennedy, all hail lord Filoni
Kennedy is Palpatine
Diversity and inclusion.
I think it’s good that they haven’t released any movie for a while, they want to have a break from the big screen exactly like how George did between the originals and the prequels
Because they made billions of dollars. Do you someone to explain how money works to you?
I've said it before, I will no doubt say it again - your candor and sincerity as a genuine Star Wars fan is truly appreciated. Even the criticisms you level are heartfelt, and coming from a place of love for the story, its creator, and the enormous army of people who worked their asses off for decades to make his vision possible for us to see.
But you're also a voice of reason - encouraging fans to fully express themselves about the handling of the STORY, while remaining respectful to EACH OTHER. That might be the thing I appreciate most of all about this channel.
Keep on lighting the way, SWT.
hell yes!
You can't preface a rant like this with 'have some respect...' then proceed to gatekeep and twist things like the director of Andor isn't a Star Wars fan therefore shouldn't be making Star Wars. Despite it being fantastic.
Outstanding commentary. Unfortunately, as in any corporate acquisition, they only care about the money. Again….UNFORTUNATELY, this is when corporations decline. Why? They kill the culture. This situation with Disney is no different. I saw the first Star Wars film in 1977 and have been a fan since. Now, I have deleted my Disney+ account and stay connected by shows like yours. If the only thing that Disney cares about is money, then they won’t get mine anymore. Lastly, Boba Fett was one of my favorite characters and what happened to that storyline is beyond insulting.
20:55 Thanks for speaking your mind!
I agree, the longtime fans deserve better.
What I hated most was when KK said DLF didn't owe the old fandom anything, they owe us everything because without us there wouldn't have been an IP for Disney to buy at all. It's the old fandom who've kept it alive and thriving, it's through us it evolved and it was we who kept the fandom open, diverse and inclusive for decades since every star wars fan was welcomed into our family.
Disney destroyed all that and took pleasure in doing it.
*DFL
To be fair it did take a while for OT fans to accept PT fans, but I understand and agree with your point.
Has she been fired!? Like honestly I hate her so much (and I’m a woman before anyone thinks I’m being misogynistic) but just for one the nature of how she came up in the biz…she has no business really being this powerful….and her heading Disney shows. The only reason why Disney + is successful is for brand recognition of marvel and Star Wars…but Disney’s own creative ventures are failures and wouldn’t survive without the rest of its vast catalogue.
@MIM women can be misogynistic absolutely, but saying you don't like a particular woman is not misogynistic. Saying you don't like her BECAUSE she is a woman would be misogynistic. Don't let random ppl call you misogynistic when you're not, it redefines the meaning to make it useless.
Kathleen has too much of an ego to let Dave take the reigns for future Star Wars projects. If she did, everyone would clearly see how F'ed up Kathleen had screwed up George's stories.
YUP
They already saw that.Season 7 Clone Wars basically annihilated alone the interest in the sequels
BRO, why do ppl think so small, just like Trump/Biden. They are BOTH SURROUNDED BY AN ARMY OF ADVISORS. Did America get better when Trump left, or did ppl JUST stop complaining, did they even STOP, or complain less, and nothing really changes much, ppl still hate everything, (more then film i mean) and everyone. This is obviously a hyperbolic take, but tell me im 100% wrong. Why in the world, would an aging Dave, be any better... his trash cartoon show? More over, in case nobody has seen the OG trilogy, and the prequels. When George created STAR WARS PART IV. HE said "they were his babies..." You dont leave the directors chair, and hire a better director... then DONT hire him backfor your finale of small furry creatures, bc u overextened your budget and now there isnt money for the wookie war, which prob wouldnt have made the world cring, when midgets in fursuits killed armored troopers with a rock... THEN the "special" cashgrabs, i mean editions, when anybody i know, that like Lucas in any creative capacity, dropped that noise quick. HE committed the ultimate sin, by going back and CHANGING ESTABLISHED LORE on the biggest IP on the planet, thus any mention of changed lore in million books, games, etc... Well, obviously the rumors were true (sound familiar), and LUCAS is an out of touch madman. Remember DAVE studied under this HERO of film. mmmK... then its time to just GO STRAIGHT RERE.. Jar Jar, kill the ONLY interesting character in a 20 year wait!?, 60's dinner in SW?, POETRY, SAND, CHILD ACTORS, BAD ACTORS!, died of... SADNESS!!!, CGI worse than DISNEY, NOOOoooooo.... need I say more. Lucas is trash, KK and Rian are straight up, ON THE SPECTRUM, lol, LESS than trash, John and David are both the gum on the shoe of the OG trashmaster, and look, now we have a bunch of sad ppl that cant except star war is 90% mid, with a GREAT second film, a few banger games, and out of 100s, Shadows and the entire OG Thrawn series was good when i read it a while ago. SO, let the past die... that bitch done been dead a loooong time, lol. Luckily for anybody that read this, now u know. It was over before it started with Disney. Now unsub to all the dumb shit, and go live a SW free life.
(The new game might be ok, we are finally where we were like 20 fking years ago, and have dismemberment, AND a story. Without that, well I saw EP IV, and a bloody severed arm... so did lightsabers get weaker, or did ppl get greedier?)
Well....KK just divided and conquered Filoni from Favreau...
Freaking love the truth you speak! Not only from your perspective as a true fan, but actually from a logical one. Thank you for all you do!
I 100% agree! Only those who love Star Wars should be put in charge of Star Wars production. The Sequels were so disappointing. I have been watching Star Wars since I was 5 yrs old with my dad. Everything you said is how I have been feeling for so long. I wish there was a way we could have more say on what is happening over there! Time to break out a freaking petition lol
You are a good kid. I’m 54. Compared to any and all previous films sci-fi or whatever, it was the most amazing powerful thing anyone had ever seen up to 1977. You have given all the advice they need to bring it back and they won’t listen anyway! Cheers kid!🍻
I argued for about a year 2017-2018 about Ruin…SEE…Johnson’s parody film The Last Jedi aka. “Spaceballs: Do Deux” because I saw Star Wars as a kid in 1977 and every other film since. The way that dude single handily destroyed George Lucas’ Star Wars saga is a travesty beyond words and the fact people thought his copied/ruined TESB + ROTJ was something brand new & so compelling bothers me to no end.
All the guy did was devalue beloved characters & come up with the dumbest/lamest creatures + ships + space physics. There were countless but I always need to point out…he ruined hyperspace…how can hyperspace be weaponized? Hyperspace being weaponized is the absolute dumbest thing imaginable in Star Wars…the guy didn’t care at all about Star Wars.
Thanks old timer! He appreciates the kind words, you old coot. Haha!
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All they have to do to fix this huge mistake: apologize sincerely to the fans. And make a new movie showing that the sequel trilogy was just a bad dream that Luke had during meditation.
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Someone make you director. It’s sad they will never do this, but one can dream
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@@rjayshaun Thats a horrible idea,because that would still mean you have to acknowledge the sequels at all. Just say it wasn't canon like whats done with every other mistake.
@@rjayshaun Its not until someone cosigns a bad idea that it becomes a problem. Have a nice day champ.
For the start, they thorw EU, and turned around said that you didn't have 800 page books, comic or games, but half ass story telling and pushing super girl power, doing Finn dirty
I will never understand why Disney refused to use George Lucas’ scripts for the sequel trilogy. He had the stories mapped out!
So many reasons to be upset about the sequel tragedy, but for me the main one was 30 year wasted opportunity to unite everyone one last time! That would have been epic! Topping it off with how they treated these legacy characters. That's where I just give myself a mental lobotomy and forget the whole sequel tragedy even happened. According to my journal that is. Must have been a stinker. /wink
Absolutely mindblowing how they never reunited. I guess that was too "predictable" smfh
It's honestly heartbreaking. It was for me, at least and it only got so, so much worse when Mrs. Fisher passed. =/ Her passing isn't on anyone at Disney (I hope) but it's still just so... Well, yeah. Everyone's said it by now so I suppose I can end it here.
Yeah because fan service is epic
@@nialllappin4159 Because what we got from the sequel trilogy was so much better. Fan service is fine if done in a way that works for the story. Lots of ways could have worked very well to do so. The opportunity was missed to do so.
"No infighting; we're not the Sith."
Just this last simple, decent comment nearly made me tear up. This fandom has been through so much crap due to atrocious mismanagement and malicious pride of the "creative team" of KK.
In contrast, your common decency is a wonderful sight to behold.
The fact that THEY don't get it is just SO sad on SO many levels.
I don't think we need George Lucas specifically. Get someone who likes Star Wars. Look at all the games from the 90's and 00's, Kotor and such that added so much to the expanded universe.
This is just an idea I thought of. Rey and Kylo have a lot of potential (despite Kylo (I refuse to call him Ben) being dead) use the force dyad to further explore the concept of Psychometry like Cal and Quinlan have. Have Rey do what Luke did and find relics of the jedi and force users by following objects that have touched kylo. Use those psychometric visions to show a better written kylo, and have Rey actually work to learn things so that she can train the next generation
Rey Palpatine and discount Vader have no potential. Any future series based on the sequels will fail.
My friend... So much respect for you using your platform to speak the truth and call out all the BS that Disney has wrought upon our beloved SW franchise. Hoping someone that has influence in Disney sees this and absorbs it. You speak for us true fans, literally echoing what most of us know to be true in our hearts.
man, it´s not healty being Star Wars fans anymore. Forget it, it´s done, it´s pure political ideology brainwash now. No aliens. I have always loved the aliens, nowadays there´s only the lefist parade of "human races" - being that there´s NO RACES OF HUMANS - WE ARE ONLY ONE RACE
So long as KK is in charge nothing will change only get worse. Put John in charge he has a track record of making good shows and fan favorite characters.
Thus if I disagree with his views or how he presents his views in this video I am not a 'true fan' right?
They literally had all the time to push a trilogy and they had no plan. It really is absolutely unbelieveable.
Well not really ALL the time. The way the financial calendar works is in quarters. That's why they wanted to shove out this sequel trilogy by the end of each quarter, to get in those financial gains before the end to report to their investors. A quarter is a three-month period on a company's financial calendar that acts as a basis for periodic financial reports and the paying of dividends. The quarters go like this:
January, February, and March (Q1)
April, May, and June (Q2)
July, August, and September (Q3)
October, November, and December (Q4)
Notice how all the star wars movies released around the same time? Christmas. BIIIIIIIIIIIIG moneys time for movies. Getting those moneys in by Q4 would set the company up for a good next quarter. But the PROBLEM with that timeframe which is what MCU is struggling with, is that it doesn't give writers the time needed to bang out a really good story. Movies and tv shows every couple months, or yearly vs every couple years is not a good model.
@@TheRibottoStudios They were fairly rushed but would’ve been a LOT easier if they kept the same director and had a story outline for all 3 movies from the beginning
They could've still rushed it but kept Lucas' outline and they still would've been a thousand times better. They literally threw out the outline for star wars.
@@Jjj-zz7bz I agree... what really hits home for my general disappointment is the lack of a coherent plan and plotlines that continue through all 3 films.
@@Jjj-zz7bz Right they needed to plan. They could still have promised investors yearly movies if they had a game plan. The fact that the OT exists as it does is astounding given George HAD no plan. Vader being Luke's father was a retcon, done kinda last minute there were all sorts of problems on set, and even some inconsistencies in the writing, but still you can tell the story has A PURPOSE. The PT as bad as they are have a PURPOSE. With the ST there's no real PURPOSE. Disney Lucasfilm needs to understand the basics of screenwriting before getting back to film with Star Wars: goals stakes and urgency. What is the story about and WHY should we care? Nail those you're good.
What they should do is make the sequels "Legends" and make all of the books and comics "Canon." And make movies or TV from that. Why reinvent the perfect wheel?
I 100% agree those five projects you highlighted towards the end have made me more sad than anything that’s not a relational or familial loss in my life :( Star War’s bastardization is sad/depressing
I can't believe it's been 10 years already since Papa George signed away his baby to Disney. That was the greatest mistake in the history of cinema like George Lucas thought Disney would honor his work at that time and also never forget that Kathleen is an executive producer for Indiana Jones 5.
Who's going to turn down over $4 billion? That's security for himself and his entire family for generations to come so as much as I dislike it I can also understand why and respect it.
It’s the best decision his made, lots of money, and his old movies sucked anyway
@@HyperXsoduK He didn't do it for the money. It was a combination of getting a very demanding and critical following and the burden of being responsible for the lives of too many employees and their families. He wasn't free to take risks anymore knowing that big box office failures could potentially take too many of his employees.
George already ruined Star Wars with the prequels and his involvement with Indy 4.
He was backstabbed by Kathleen who he thought was on his side and would speak up for his vision, but instead she saw an opportunity to promote herself and raise her own stock. Thus her tossing aside any advice and story recommendations Lucas had on where the franchise would go, and instead throwing self-insert Mary Sues into Disney Star Wars productions (ever wonder why Rey, Jyn, and Qi'ra are all brunette british actresses? because they are Kathleen's self inserts in the franchise).
Give Filoni total creative control over the stories you tell and how you tell them he's he only one over there that actually gets it!
He also was heavily involved in BOBF which was terrible.
No he is overrated
@@paulhooley5687 wasn’t horrible actually. But he also created the clone wars and was the biggest part of that and that’s the best Star Wars media that’s ever come out. But he shouldn’t control all of the Star Wars universe because he is very one track minded in terms of storytelling
i think he's overrated
@@paulhooley5687 there’s also a lot in these shows that he can’t help to be fair
The worst part of the sequel trilogy is Anikan was supposed to be the “chosen one” to save the force from the dark side. AND HE DID. He killed palpatine in episode 6 and saved his son and this should have been the end of any empire or the stupid first order. The sequels literally go against everything that was done in the prequel and original trilogy in this aspect. It makes me so mad. The idea of having clones left over after episode 6 and seeing the Jedi come back to restore peace to the galaxy would have been the best outcome to the rest of Star Wars.
It's a breath of fresh air to hear someone say this stuff out loud
I was fully expecting TotJ to be just another entry into Disney's failure portfolio, but the writing is gorgeous. I was actually in tears at one point because of how deeply the short story affected me, and how well they stayed true to clone wars canon.
That’s what happens when Lucasfilm gives Dave Filoni full control of a project. Anything he touches literally turns to gold
I wrote it off once I saw it came out. I'll check it out now.
@@RambleOn07 it's really good, I thought it was going to be bad but it was a pleasant surprise and brings a new light to Dooku's fall
@@Hayden_Coyne I didn't like the first episode but every other one was absolutely great. It was incredibly well done and added great layers to the universe.
I agree that the Dooku episodes were especially awesome.
Imagine if the only live action so far was Rogue One, Mandalorian and Andor.. and the whole time they were thoughtfully developing a new yet to be released trilogy. I think Disney wanted to cash in on the original cast while they still could. 🤦♂️
Mando is meh but overall I agree. Solo is also great.
Thing is. It could still be that way. All Disney has to do is admit they didn’t deliver quality products, shelve them, and start fresh. There is no rule stating that you get no do-overs in Cinema.
You just came up with an effective scheduling strategy in order to both make money off a beloved IP AND release an ambitious sequel trilogy to said IP.
Kennedy got paid millions and she still couldn’t come up with this.
Didn't like Solo? Compared to the sequel movies I'd definitely say it was a far better movie, I just rewatched it the other day and loved it for the most part. Lando's droid in kinda annoying though lol.
@@modernklassicsgaming5991 No, I enjoyed it. We can include it here. I excluded it because there’s a-lot of mixed reactions to it…. I mean, I actually liked The Last Jedi too. My problem with the sequel trilogy was lack of planning or originality. Rise of Skywalker was a mess.
Dude! Spot on everything! As an old guy who saw ANH in the movie theater when I was 16 (do the math), I could not agree more. The Sequels are laughably (and sadly) absurd: “hi I’m Rey, I had no training and I can take out the Godfather of the Sith, Grandpa Palpie.” (Anakin, Luke, Maul, Obi, Yoda, and Ahsoka collectively say “etf?).
Man, my hat’s off to you for nailing everything that is wrong with KK, Disney and the fkd-uppery that has become SW movies since ROTS.
Thank you for displaying the weight of this for us. We have grandparents in this franchise, children died wondering on this franchise.
100% agree. Hand it all over to Dave Filoni. We need to rally behind his content to show Disney's pocket's that this is the way, since money is the only thing they understand sadly.
And also Tony and Dan Gilroy. Andor has been so good that it would be a shame not to let them do more stuff
Filoni, Favreau, and Gilroy.
They can still ‘retcon’ the sequels by doing something with the world between worlds so Asoka being alive gives Luke guidance to help train Ben something like that
Best way to go is just forget about it and make standalone movies and series.
Y'know, I think thats one of my biggest problems with Disney Star Wars - no follow through/payoffs on set ups. The World Between Worlds was set up in Rebels back in, what, 2015 or so? And all of Star Wars is supposed to be a shared universe. ...Or at least something like it since theyre treating it like the MCU. Why havent we seen the World Between Worlds in a live action movie? Luke's new Jedi school in its prime? The full inner-working system of the New Republic? Where's Ezra and Thrawn? And the list goes on and on.
I dont know, I think I just like having answers and payoffs to the stories that are being told, even if theyre purposely left ambiguous. But this is borderline negligent in terms of storytelling.
Or maybe I'm just really mean. Who knows?
@@kamjones3522 I'll be honest, having the world between worlds in live action would cause a lot of problems. Anything involving time-travel is dangerous as you open a whole can of worms creatively and within the SW universe logic. I'm not a fan of it. Nor should they retcon the sequel trilogy, just move away from it and go to a different time period with new characters.
I like that concept and have been wondering if that’s what they might do if a retcon of the sequels is in the works.
I think they should leave it ambiguous so that if you WANT them to be retconned, then you can, if not then you can enjoy the sequels as is