9 Things Bad Companies Say To Their Employees - Toxic Workplace Signs
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- Things bad companies say to their employees. If you're wondering if you're interviewing for or working in a toxic workplace, here's some things to look for. Toxic companies tend to say these 9 things.
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0:00 - intro
1:07 - we work hard play harder
2:26 - we are a family
3:22 - we'll promote you later
4:15 - you're replaceable
5:08 - we wear lots of hats
5:34 - we are in startup mode
5:54 - we only hire rockstars
6:14- we're always hiring
7:40 - we have foosball
8:29 - if you need help
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NEVER have loyalty to a company. You can be assured they will have none for you.
Agreed. Loyalty is an emotional currency. Emotional currency can only be invested in people. Companies are legal entities….
Remember... you work for "enter your name here) INC. not the company you work for.
Not always true. My previous employer quietly paid for employees college degrees, their kids college degrees, and vacation travel expenses for some employees. He also paid the 6 months salary when the warehouse manager was hospitalized, even though he was in bed recovering from a major surgery. Very good employee retention at that company. If you were new, or a floor sweep you didn’t get this special treatment, but it’s still nothing the owner HAD to do!
So true. I work for a law firm, I work with countless of people who dedicate 20+ years to a company and are fired for the most trivial thing.
You’re less than a number for these greedy companies. Look out for yourself; they certainly won’t. Regardless of whatever story they want to tell you.
Loyalty means u skipped out on raises where you can start elsewhere and get paid more
"We need someone who can hit the ground running" means we expect miracle results with no training.
This is common is the software development field. And yes these companies expect miracles.
So true.
True. Yet they hire person with completely different expertise so they can negotiate lower pay.
I was pulled aside and basically had my employment threatened with the line
"We usually prefer to hire people who already know how to meet expectations without the training you require so I really hope this works out for you."
@@julietten5614 that's exactly what my first boss did to me. Hire someone right out of school so he can underpay me, then expect me to almost immediately get the results of someone with 2-3 years experience.
I grew up in a pretty toxic and dysfunctional family. When a potential employer tells me they are like a family it doesn't evoke the same types of emotions for me that they thought or hoped it would.
Same here man! 😆
Nothing like "Family" to harden you for real Life
I always laugh at things like this. Like. Sure, man. Lemme just call you at 3 am, like any normal family member, and ask for the day off. I don't think you're going to appreciate it.
But you get what he’s talking about though?
@@JuanThaSilva yeah but work and personal life shouldn't overlap. Those should be firm boundaries. Otherwise there's no work life balance.
Same here! Lol. I would be thinking “so my boss will be a malignant narcissist with borderline personality disorder?!” 😂🤣
Trust no one at work. They are not friends. Ever. They are co-workers to be forgotten about at the end of each day.
I have friends that I met at a place I worked 15 years ago and we still get together four or five times a year for a Poker Night. I've helped some of them to get hired where I'm working now, some have moved on, and if I need to leave I'm sure they would help me get on where they're working now. Make friends where you can, maybe they'll last longer than the business you currently work at.
wished you had told me earlier, I married a coworker. We've been together for 15 years. Oh well it was nice while it lasted . But now I gotta forget about him at the end of each day. 😉
@@erinrising2799 😅😄🤣 too funny.
I suspect that might be a broader cultural aspect - I'm English working in England. I'm still friends with people I worked with 30 years ago. My best friends are almost all previous co-workers. We went through hard times together and looked after each other. We suffered the same miserable, sleasy, lying, cheating, stupid, and ignorant managers and we came out on top. Friends for life.
One of the things that I really loved about the hospital that I used to work at is that people would rally around coworkers that were ill and help them out or they would give them really great birthday parties. It was a good place to trust other people. I think it depends on the company and who they tend to hire, you can get a group of individuals that make good friends and coworkers.
You could have made your own list rather than spying on the company I work for.
Undervalued comment 😂
LOL!!!
Described my last job to a T
HA HA HA HA!
Y'all got foosball, too?
Also remember, your "work friends" are not "real friends." Be kind, be cordial, but don't get sucked into the drama and gossip of work, it will ALWAYS backfire.
That must mean that you're not a real friend either.
And of course, never tell them anything private, as that will come back to haunt you one hundred percent of the time.
@@azores15 I've been asked about my religion, just that they had something to talk in front of me they thought would make me mad - I have never met such gross people before. Ugly from inside out, no manners, no education. Not a single decent person in sight.
One of my best friends, who’s one of the other founding members of the band I’m a part of, I met at my first job. We worked together for almost three years
Such a wise and astute comment John…there is a distinct difference to me, and while I enjoy the folks I work with, I’ve done well to maintain them at an arm’s length at all time. JC
What my bosses know about me:
I work hard
I take my work very seriously
I won't tolerate being yelled at
If I dont get properly compensated, I WILL leave.
If I get denied raises, I WILL leave.
I am not at work to make friends so expecting anything off hours without pay is a no-go
My family and my health come before work. People are useless when they're sick or extremely stressed
If you lie to me its over. There is no making it up to me. Break the trust, break the employment agreement.
This would be my terms of future job....😂...
Based. We need employees to be allowed to contribute to their own employment contracts with terms like these. Half of companies would go broke due to labor shortages.
I just break the employment agreement and I have no regrets
Dear NotSure 1350: I'll have what you're having -- and work for the same company -- if you can locate that for me.
Yessir/ma'am! Going to screenshot and read this daily as I search for a new job! Thank you 🙏
By the way, the family stuff makes me want to puke. Can we please grow up FINALLY and realize we're both parties in a legal contractual relationship? Grown-up business partners? I sell you an hour of my skilled labor for x amount of dinero, THAT'S IT! I don't need your company parties, team buildings, I just want to deliver top quality excellent work as I do and be paid a good price for it, thank you very much. Graduated kindergarten ages ago.. This whole HR BS makes me see red every single time. Like why do we have to do this to ourselves ? 🤯
Anyway thank you for reading my rant and for your clear cut message, by which I'll henceforth live! 💪
"We just want to know if you are a team player." This is a huge red flag that basically means they want to throw any kind of extra work on you and expect you to shut up and play along.
Lol why is this so accurate! My last job was like that. The lazy workers didn’t complete their work and it kept getting thrown on me as I watched them waste countless hours chatting. Tried to tell my manager my workload was too much and heard you have to be team player and help when needed. Also she referred back to the job posting of multi-tasking. 🙄
You do all the work and the team takes all the credit, been there.
@@AgnesC1111 💯 This phrase now makes my hair stand up on my arms AND my head.
It has been overused to justify the exact situation you stated..
I shiver at those words “ Team Player “
I regret - never being my own person.
Fast paced environment usually translates as: "We will overwork you and overstress you and when you burn out we will blame you for not being up to the task and will spit you out and yell "Next!"
Thank you for translating what these complete assholes say.
Fisher Investments Handbook.
I had an interview recently in which the words "fast paced environment" were in the job announcement. I applied anyway and when I was in he interview a couple of the people interviewing me said they had worked until 9pm the night before. At that point, I started wondering if I wanted that job after all. They haven't called me so I guess I got rejected, which is OK.
And this is why you should never, ever, work in a customer service call center. Trust me. Sometimes the calls are slow, 90%+ of the time, they aren't and you will be doing mandatory OT
@Atheist Biologist
I feel you, did it once, never again. Unless the work is fulfilling or I'm getting paid 6+ figures, it's not happening. You don't pay me enough to wreck my body.
"You're gonna be wearing multiple hats."
"So you're also gonna pay me multiple salaries, then?"
Oh, like multiple part time jobs, two hours per hat?
yeah that is a major res flag because they will be expecting handling multiple roles often at the same job.
I dont like hats, i like bananas
Or “....we believe in our folks being Cross trained.”
Awesome are we cross compensated for that?!?
I love this one. I always reply with
"So decisions get handled quick? Lots of hats means quick chain of communication&action right? Like I need Christmas off this year, boom done. We all here&on the same page right?"
The sputtering and excuses that start in response are like watching a balloon deflate. They either walk the walk, or I walk. I don't have time to waste if I'm wearing lots of hats. I need action now. Or it's just stress &that means I want more money.
Hands down the worst one: “It is a faced paced environment”. That translates to “You will be under constant, never-ending pressure and stress. You will be under equipped for the role by the company and will receive no support from the company either”.
Nah, it's not always that deep. It's something that's put on job posting to try to keep lazy people from applying.
@@Trae4k get lost
Translation: speed is more important than safety.
" We spend more time together than we do with our own families " is a huge red flag.
“We’re like family. That’s why we want you to work weekends and public holidays, because that’s when families should be together.”
Very underrated comment.
😂😂😂👍
Well, to paraphrase the Ferengi Rule of Acquisition 111: "Treat your employees likie family... exploit them".
Also rule 110: "Exploitation begins at home."
That’s because they’ll work you for long hours a day keeping you from your real family
My last job pretty much did all this bs. Had to beg for a raise and then they cut my hours and oh yeah you had to work holidays even if you were scheduled off 🙃
I absolutely agree that calling your workplace a family is disgusting and a red flag.
Calling it a team isn't much better, too.
My Boss called it a dysfunctional family
Before I educated myself with this stuff I worked for a place like this
100%
Made me think of the Manson family!
I worked for a company that said "work hard, play hard". Turns out that it's work hard only.
Also beware of a company bragging about being "family owned," where daddy-owner has anointed his adult children with management positions. No matter how incompetent they are, they cannot be fired. You, however, are quite expendable.
Hell yeah.
Last job I had was family owned. The owner's sister had previously been removed from their position by a manager who actually knew what he was doing, but when the owner found out, that manager was removed and the sister was brought back.
Eventually, my boss decided to take advantage of me and got away with not paying me for a month of work. And when I started demanding payment, I was laid off.
@@BETRvids Never work for families.
I once had a coworker tell me “if a company tells you we are like family they will destroy you psychologically”. Wow were they right…
Yup.
AMEN! I was looking for this exact comment before posting it myself. Had experienced it twice by now. This time, I'll take that note and will actively look for companies who do NOT tell me that during the interview.
Can relate
The exploitation begins at home.
Indeed
I worked for a guy that ALWAYS used the phrase 'we want people that think outside of the box'. So when I quit, I told them that I was gonna go think outside the box 😂
🤣
Lol. And then when you do share ideas outside of the box you're attacked and seen as a threat for not conforming to their cult.
@@anitaknight3915 or worse deemed “difficult” at which point they begin to plot a way to get rid of you
😂 👏🏻 👏🏻 👏🏻
@@murraysaucedo897 exactly you're then ostracized as "difficult" and a "disgruntled employee" which is all a part of the gaslighting manipulative tactics.
After over 40 years in corporate America, all I can say is "NAILED IT!"
Believe me, friend, it's like that everywhere, not just in USA.
I am portuguese and also lived and worked in the UK, it's all the same.
Dear Michael Hill 7878: What can you add to this thread with your 40 years? Did you stay in one spot -- or did you run around?
For me, a big red flag was seeing bags under everyone’s eyes. It meant they’re overworked and underpaid. Also if the manager tells you they have a lot of overtime available for you to take advantage of, it means they’re definitely going to force a lot of overtime on you whether you want it or not.
yes...the "overtime available email complete with a picture of stacks of currency is a daily occurance. When we complained that due to inflation we were actually making less after our 3% raise, that was the lead in to "sell more! work OT!
@@jjc4577: They should provide time and a half and double time after nine hours.
I worked for a company who said they encouraged independent thinkers and welcomed new ideas. Yet whenever you made suggestions or challenged the way things were done you got told "Well that's how we've always done it!" And then you were seen as negative and disruptive.
I try to keep my mouth shut now. Even if they like my idea. They have someone else implement it. And after that person half asses it they blame me for the "bad" idea.
Because they were lying sociopaths
And then companies complain on why employees are not innovative, just "do the least possible", "act like robots", and many others not so flattering bs comments.
Been there!
Yup! If they EVER say they want a "change agent" or "fresh ideas"...they are always, always lying.
My previous employer used exactly the same phrase "we are like a family". It ended up being a fully disfunctional family with a lot of drama, fights, gossips and absantee boss.
Just like the real family with an abusive parent and a father who gone missing since day 1
🧐🤔🤫🙄🙄😶😶......
Run for the door.
Yep
YEP
We say this at my company...well i hear us employees say it. Because its true. Ive been there almost 9 years now and i love them all. We are like family.
The best job I had at the interview they said life was a priority. "Your family comes first, you come second and your job is a distant 3rd" and I had worked so many places where we were expected to work 50-60 hours a week and not given permission to use our PTO when we wanted it. So hearing our family was a priority and job was a distant 3rd was a huge relief. As a result, I worked hard for my company because I knew they prioritized me over their profit.
Just out of curiosity what was the company that said that? It is very rare to hear that nowadays!
@@Gurlonline07 It was actually a job at a municipality in a major US City.
@@alexanderzachary4650 😲
@@alexanderzachary4650 government jobs can be like that. Just don't expect a lot of money.
This is usually the case at companies that have no competition such as government organizations and utilities
Worked for a Telco in South Africa that decided to centralise its roles back to Pretoria and shut down it's regional depratments.
In the consultation meeting with the staff, one of the employees raised the point that he had worked loyally for them for 25 years and now being kicked to the curb. The executive breaking the news to us just snapped back "if I wanted loyalty I would get a dog" !
After that, a painful lesson was learned, NEVER put the company's goals and ideals above your own aspirations.
Early 2000 I called that same company when selling telecom gear in the gray market. No longer in the business , never got anything going with them.
😲😲
in a way you should be happy that manager was honest. Most would give some bs and expect u to beieve
WOW how horrible he just showed everyone how little he values people. Get out of there, Q-U-I-C-K!
@@emmareyes8114 Now over 25 years since the incident I did a follow up on this "exec" and he only lasted in that role abt. 6 months after shutting my office. According to Linkedin he has had a string of other roles, most only lasting 2 years a piece and his main selling point is his pride of "transformation" to IT teams :-)
It seems to be becoming less common, but another sign of bad employers if when they require someone who can "multitask" or who "thrives in a fast paced environment". These are often euphemisms for disorganized management.
Or it means they are understaffed, and expect you to work two jobs for one pay
That term is one of my pet peeves. I've never met a single person who could multitask effectively. The product you get from someone who is "multitasking" is about what you would expect. Someone who is not concentrating on the task at hand. Don't even get me started with "fast paced environment." You nailed it.
Ha! I remember those catch phrases that were so popular and used about 20 years ago. Now it just makes them seem outdated, taboot.
Multi-tasking is a myth, imho
I think "multitask" is another version of "wearing many hats".
There was a company I once worked for that surveyed the employees, asking them if they 'love' working there.
My response was: If you were in a relationship where your 'friend' could dump you at a moments notice but if you wanted to break-up you had to give him 2 weeks notice, how much emotion would *you* invest into the relationship?
You don't have to give 2 weeks, that's some bullshit peddled by them to gain an advantage. If you don't want to work there again, and don't want references (I assure you, you don't want references from toxic employers), they don't need notice.
If you're leaving a good employer for greener pastures, for sure give notice so they can fill your role. But, if you're emancipating yourself from a pos employer, they can go screw.
Actually the 2 wks notice is only a courtesy.. at will, goes both ways. My boss yelled at me in a nasty way in front of other people in a meeting , I got up said, well I m leaving and walked out
@@sudoku5982 bravo!
Yes, I have had those surveys too, and they would present them as being anonymous. I never believed they were anonymous as I think they tracked them somehow. Anyway, I always answered them in the most positive way possible. Because they do not really want you opinion on working conditions and the company, what they really want is to identify dissents.
What's this two week's notice you speak of?
When a manager acts like they're the business owner, you will have issues. Managers will talk about "the company's best interest," until you catch them slacking off. I really think there should be mandatory, standard training required before becoming a manager. A lot of issues literally can traced back to one individual, who can get away with being abusive for long periods of time.
I completely support it. But most companies are not interested in training and raising employees as well as managers. They grind them to the ground and move on to the new meat.
Amen to that!
I've been in situations where the "face" of an organisation is a pleasure then only to discover the one or ones you'll actually be dealing with everyday you've never met before and can be arrogant a-holes.
I've been through most of these over my 35+ years in software. Only 2 companies were truly "family" and "work hard, play hard". They treated employees well and rewarded us well for working our asses off, and if you needed time to recoup you got it. These were successful companies, and that was the problem itself. When push came to shove they sold themselves to bigger competitors, and the new companies shit all over everyone. I did get some payoff on both merger/acquisitions.
But the new owners really turned the heat up and expected us to take shit and just live with it. The turnover got bad, people left in waves. When I left I was asked why I was leaving and I told them that the place had changed, wasn't what I joined for and needed to do something else. I got the "we really need you" and "we've been loyal to you" guilt trips. I just left it alone, but wanted to tell them they treated me and a lot of other people like cogs in the machine and treated us like shit.
I learned that loyalty is to yourself and your family (your real family) first and foremost. Take as much as you can get (money & benefits) and do just enough to keep things on an even keel. Because the second you give more, they will take more, and keep expecting more without giving anything back.
It's not personal, just business.
Someone worth working for would always respect if you decided to pursue a new opportunity. Fuck the guilt trippers
And company mergers tend to sacrifice a company’s original mission statement and goals for a big mess
eloquently spoken, thanks for sharing
I'm sorry you had that terrible experience. I would suggest a more nuanced lesson would be to adapt your working style to the quality of employer you have. From the sound of it, those two companies that were truly "family" were worth treating differently. If you're in a shitty workplace, then fair enough, maybe you need to adapt to that (though my suggestion then would be to do what you did and leave). But if you're in one of the better workplaces, the cynical "they'll keep expecting more without giving anything back" attitude will backfire and you'll miss out on some of the best opportunities for growth, imho.
Always remember, The want you to be scared to lose your job, but they are infinitely more worried about looking for a suitable replacement, then training them, then waiting for them to get to YOUR working level.
A company losing an employee can cost a lot of money, just from the paperwork to fill out for new applicants alone. Don't let them scare you, ever. You are selling your time for their profit, they're not doing you a favor.
Selling your time for their profit. I like this.
Or replace a high paying employee with an new hire with entry level pay
I had a manager say this to me point blank. They kept me around because it would cost too much to train a replacement who knew as much as I did (and was willing to take the pay that I did).
I truly hope you are not going "Above and beyond" for such disrespect to your face. Take more than you give there mate, and i hope something comes along even better for you asap. @@littlekingtrashmouth9219
LEVERAGE.
"We're like a family" is one of the most toxic tropes in the workplace in my opinion and it needs to stop. It sets up an expectation to devote yourself to people that don't deserve your loyalty and have no practical way to compensate it. Companies really CAN'T be like a family for the simple fact that in a family you have to accommodate everyone and you can't fire anyone! Families are way harder to manage which is why your energy needs to go to your real family.
"We're like a family."
Which family? The Sopranos?
I thought, it was because families are inherently dysfunctional?
"we are family" is code for we expect you to sacrifice your time & energy for us without being compensated and appreciated.
I think if it is a small company, family can be a good and fair description. Corporations, it's laughable.
@@RandomFandomDragon does that mean that small company won't fire anyone? Nah, let's get away from "family" how about just team? An athletic club is closer to how a healthy business operates than a family. At least there's a common goal that justified rotating people in and out. Colleagues don't have to be your friends. I think that framing sets people up to get hurt no matter what the size of the company.
I worked for a company for 11 years that said nearly all of those things. They were a terrible place to work. I have been so happy since I left.
I started working at a pizza base bakery (Australia around 2002) and they said the starting rate is $10 per hour for the first three months. Then bumps to $15 after I’m trained.
That made sense and I took the job. On the 3 month anniversary my pay didn’t change. I went to the person who hired me and asked what happened - because they forgot right? Nope, apparently they never said it and I imagined it.
That afternoon I told them I won’t be returning - they didn’t seem to care.
I guess that's where that saying, "Better get it in writing." comes from... 💡
@@FriedAudio Yes. I was just excited by actually getting paid work, I overlooked anything you "should" do.
I'm guessing they ran their business to the ground?
@@ipassingthrough I think so, I remember looking them up a couple of years later and I couldn't find any existence of them.
Thanks @@ByStarlight_, so I didn't imagine it. Also wasn't working for cash, the company seemed to disappear a year or two later.
It may be similar to the first one but I often hear 'this is a fast paced environment' which usually seems to mean 'we are grossly understaffed so you'll be doing the work of two people'.
Now it's 3 if not 4
Im so tired of this phrase. My coworkers and I are grossly overworked whilst the owner buys 4 fuckin Starbucks drinks a day from Uber. They seriously would rather a Frappuccino over saving their employee
Sometimes three, and you’ll only be paid for one, and no promotions either 😩
Nowadays if you're only doing the work of two people you've got it pretty good. 🤓🍻
I am sick and tired of the phase” a dynamic work environment “, that usually means doing things in a hurry and understaffed.
During an interview the recruiter starting telling me how much they loved flexibility.
I told her that was great as I was currently studying for my CCNA at night school and would require that flexibility on a Tuesday night.
I thought she was going to choke as she hurriedly told me that the flexibility the company loved was from the employees and the company weren't flexible what so ever.
I ended the interview there and then
Smart move, that reminds me of this Walmart location I went to and during the interview the front end manager flat out says "Its not what the employee wants, it's what I want." Needless to say I ran outta there faster than one can blink. I'd never work at another Walmart again. The management is a free-for-all and a total shitshow.
Lol
A company that loves flexibility is probably going to expect you come in on a moments notice and drop everything on a dime.
@@bean420man Since they flat out said that they want flexibility from their workers and not the company, that's exactly what it means.
lol classic
My husband once worked for a company that was always hiring. They claimed to be selective about who they hired, but in retrospect, it was because of turnover. The benefits were the best I'd ever seen (ahem, golden handcuffs), but the work had nearly impossible deadlines, a lot of travel, and the company would leave employees hanging when they needed support. Eventually my husband was scapegoated for the failure of a project and we're both much happier without them.
My boss says we’re family, but treats us like we’re orphans in a Charles Dickens’ workhouse. You hit on most of what is happening where I work. I needed this confirmation. With our relatively new admin, I’ve come to hate my job. I try to be grateful everyday, but it’s getting harder, and I hate that.
Just leave it. My manager got replaced by a Malignant Narcissist from alabama, and I work in a white collar environment in Michigan (blue state). He is an HR nightmare, but the company is fighting to keep him after the obvious female and minority abuse he started to dish out to me and others. I went on disability to escape him and find another job. NEVER trust HR (they are there to ALWAYS protect the abuser). Anti-harassment HR policies are all lies, and they still try to run you off and fire you for reporting people’s sexist and bigoted behaviour - JUST LEAVE.
Honestly the whole "we treat each other like family" makes perfect sense to me since my actual family was abusive too 🙃
Hilarious.
Me: "So we all get drunk and beat on each other. Cool!! Sign me up" 😄
When your work/life balance is more incestuous than your alcoholic abusive family.
So true 😂
Most families are abusive.
Recruiter: "This company is like a family."
Employee: "So we all equally share in the company profits?"
Recruiter: "... Not like that."
I’ve read former employee reviews about a certain employer, and that person commented that the organization operates like a cult.
"This company is like family"
Well I never met my real father, haven't talked to my stepfather in 6 years, most of my uncles and aunts are drug addicts and drunks, my mom is neurotic, and only like 3 of us work and have our a shit together. Your right, just like family.....
I am a partner in a family business. The fact that it's your family does not mean everyone is getting an equal cut.
Haha! so true ..nice family...oh! and we are a team...whose team?
My boss showed up to my grandpa's funeral and brought 3 coworkers with him. Sometimes it really is like family.
I have one more that is red flag for me:
"We have a young team."
For me this one always means that the company is unable to motivate seniors to stay, there is a big team fluctuation and that they likely hire a cheap student that highly qualified professional.
Yes, my last employer said the "we are a family" and "we wear many hats" also "TEAMWORK is essential". I was laid off first, then re-hired 15 years later. I was doing 6 different departments alone, and being paid seven dollars per hour less than the average for the same work elsewhere. Whenever someone left, I was asked to do their job because " I'm paying you, do it". When I quit the boss threw a massive hissy fit and he said things to me that I'm pretty sure he would never say to his family. He put too many eggs in my basket .Sucks to be him.
"We're like a family... Like a crime family, where if you're not loyal, we'll throw you out of a window"
haha and all the money goes in to the 'Dons' pocket
Hahaha....that is true. Like the song says " we are family, I got all my sisters with me" instead of working they are gossiping, stubbing each other, they won't hesitate to through you under the bus at any time. I hate when they say " welcome to the family" .
This is actually true
i think u should incorporate defenestrate to your vocabulary
good one
I worked at a real estate coaching company in California. At a weekly managers meeting, the owners WIFE came in and declared “I could replace anyone of you tomorrow.” I stood up and said “why wait?” I left the company. I had reached my limit with the abuse and disrespect of the employees.
brilliant
👏🏽 ❤
I had to go through the ' wife' in a family company who called herself "CEO" (by marraige, the company was started by the husband) There was a mix up BY THEM about what job I was interviewing for. A soon as she realized I didnt want the job they wanted me to hire for, she hung up the zoom call on me mid-sentence. So yeah, know the type
Unfortunately those bosses are the rule and not the exception... I've only ever worked for one or two companies where I can say my boss was a good person.
@@BillClinton228 ditto, and I've worked a lot of places over 40 years
Yes. I had an interview with an engineering firm that preached “culture” and how to be apart of the family as the main focus of their hiring. They even told me to read a book on “team leadership” before the interview. When they asked me if I read the book during the interview I laughed and told them I’ll read it during work hours and get paid if it’s required. Lmfao. I obviously didn’t get hired. Thank goodness And they are “always hiring”. Red flag!
It’s all buzzwords for the kids they bring in, it’s all crap and we know it.
My employer also gave us homework to read some fluffy book on consulting even though I was buried in work. I didn't read that shit but I found a summary online lmao - once we had to go through it in a workshop no one could tell I hadn't read it 😂
Not a short pamphlet or paragraph? This job actually expected you to read an entire book? Talk about not respecting other people's time.
Wow, the entitlement of these employers is absolutely ridiculous.
If by "family" they mean someone abusing you psychologically and not being able to retaliate for fear of ending up homeless... they are not wrong.
I worked at a company that my team told management that the workload is too high and the next meeting one of them had made a spreadsheet (missing many steps) which said that we should have 6 spare hours a week. Considering we were all doing unpaid overtime to complete the work, it was massively insulting.
The “We’re looking for a rockstar” line in job postings is always cringe to me. I’m not a rockstar, I’m a professional and I want my services, years of experience and expertise to be taken seriously…
A rather flippant response that I will have to try is "But why would I want to work for a company like this if I was a rockstar? Think about that for a bit, Mr./Mrs/Ms Interviewer: why would I give up playing kick-ass headbangers and shredding solos in front of sold-out arena crowds numbering in the tens of thousands for obscene amounts of money to work for this company, which won't offer even a tenth of the pay potential. I mean, in a few years of blasting out everyone's ears, I'd have enough money to BUY this company if I was a rockstar. Tell me why in the world I'd have to be stupid enough to give up that lifestyle and pay for this line of work."
I'm of the same mind as you, Michelle. I'm heading into my forties, I received a teaching license and a BFA after years of hard work in university, I've worked in high-stress and low-pay jobs for most of my adult life, and I've had it with companies telling me that I don't meet their requirements because "well, you're just not the rockstar type, which is what we really want." Screw those people, and may those companies be swallowed up by the earth.
Tell them, "Hey, I have been looking for a company that is supportive of my cocaine and Jameson's habit, while helping me line up groupies for casual, anonymous s*x! Like my spirit guide Ian Dury said, 'S*x and drugs nad rock 'n' roll are all my brain and body need'."
I doubt they really want a rock star unless they want someone to show up drunk and high who destroys things, when they show up at all.
I agree, it's cringe-worthy, and chances are that those HR people might not even like Rock at all.
I read it as "we need a neurotic drug addict who can put a good face on things then softly weep at their desk".
We recently lost a coworker, he has been going to school and learning technical stuff to work his way up in our company. Worked hard, was nice to everyone around him and had been here for years getting more and more responsibility laid on him. He asked for a raise after years of improvement and lots more of a work load and was denied. He took a job closer to home that paid about 30% more than he was making with us and nobody could argue with him. He has a family and wants a better life. My manager said that "he asked for more money but if he didn't drink a monster drink every day and vape all the time he'd have another $140 every week, he could have just done that instead of getting a better job." Now almost everyone there is kind of updating their resumes.
Mr Boomer, you mean to tell me I can make...a whole 140 extra bucks?!?!
🤯 Wooooowwwwwwwww
Yeah, I'll definitely take that, over a 30% pay boost, and hundreds more extra dollars per week!
lol I find it funny for I very blunt with my boss when they ask me oh how your day, I tell them the truth not that oh I am doing well shit. I told my boss I have to talk to you in private if you want to know. Most bosses have a LOW IQ or rather to say they are CONDITION/RAISE THAT WAY TO THINK/Rehabilitated, that way they use word like oh that just how the business is.
I find it funny considering the caffeine and nicotine is probably what’s making him so productive. Yeah
Ross distribution warehouse plant manager told me that I if I can't get faster they will replaces me with someone else because my job is always evolving so I told him that mean my pay will evolve to and he laugh and he said No. When we started thier was 5 people in my position now theirs none I was the last guy it took five of us to do the job and everything was put on me no help no extra pay just more and more pressure.
Same thing happened at the small firm I’m at. Whole company was on below market rate, but as a tech startup we kind of accepted it.
Massive living cost bumps here, we had a big delay on doing our pay reviews, one of the sales guys went to the CEO to say he was struggling a bit with the rate he was on, CEO very publicly said in the open office “Maybe you should worry more about your lifestyle choices than how much you’re being paid”.
18 man company, 3 people currently working their notice period, 3-4 more actively looking for work elsewhere.
I once worked for a consulting company with dozens of managers who operated on intimidation and disrespect with their employees, especially the junior ones who were easily intimidated. One day my manager was openly chastising an employee at the client site in front of everyone in the help desk area near my desk. I stood up and walked around to their pod and confronted him about behaving so shamelessly in front of everyone (I was still fairly new to the company). I told him that I disagree with that kind of behavior and treatment of people and he retreated.
Not too long after I had been there about 90 days he called me into a conference room and began to tell me how he didn't think I was operating at the level they hired me for. I proceeded to tell him that he didn't have the requisite knowledge and qualifications to judge my work and that I knew exactly what I was doing. He cut the meeting short and we never met like that again.
Another time, after I had worked a long day (about 10 hours) I was driving home with music playing in my car to unwind from a long hard day. He called me on my phone and asked me why I didn't send an email regarding some thing he felt was important. I got frustrated and told him that I was very busy that day and that if it was so important why didn't he send it himself and that I wasn't his secretary. He got me so miffed that I called HIS boss and told him what happened and to get this guy off my back or I would find somewhere else to work. The next day my manager didn't even show to the office and from then on he never bothered me in a negative way again.
So please, if you have the courage and enough clout to do so, stand up to these bullies of the workplace. They only succeed in making the workplace a despised and dysfunctional environment. Mutual respect can go a long way in making the workplace tolerable. As much as you can, be cheerful and respectful but show your disdain for bad behavior. People with bad behavior will eventually get the message. I do also want to say that I wasn't always badgering him about his bad behavior, he eventually became a more positive manager and we developed a fair working professional relationship.
needed this, thank you
Curious to hear his version. You seem to be pretty agressive too
@@JonathanVachon777
"So I was minding my own business, doing my job, dressing down this guy in public, and one of the other peons came over and told me not to publicly humiliate people like that :( "
I've had a few interviews where they say "we're looking for someone entrepreneurial and who is a self starter." - meaning they want someone willing to put in the same level of sacrifice as the owners but not earn as much.
"We are like family" is also a sign of nepotism. Actual family and close friends tend to be in higher positions and the employees get to do all the work with zero reward.
I always tell people that no one has job security unless your name is on the building. Sad but true.
Nepotism is terrible. Will never work for a family run business again.
That too. Often family is just code for favoritism.
All of this is true!
Yes indeed
“We wear a lot of hats” is code for we are chronically understaffed and overworked. I guarantee that the next term you’ll hear out of their mouths is “team environment”.
If a company says to you “you’re replaceable” , don’t hesitate, REPLACE THEM!
I was told "we wear a lot of hats" in my interview. I did not pay much attention to this statement initially but now 3 months in I have realised. I am working more than 12 hours everyday.🥲
You are just a go-for . Go-for this! Go for that!
@Don K 😂😂😂💯
I have another red flag, and it has happened to me 11 times in interviews: "Why did you get a master's in math? This shows to me that the interviewer 1) Washed out of STEM; 2) Has "math anxiety" or dyscalculia; 3) Is intimidated in my presence; and 4) Intimidation is self degradation. I have learned that when wild animals and humans feel intimidated, they will attack. I was verbally attacked but not physically attacked during an interview. The reason that I said 11 times was that the 11th time the interviewer said, "Why did you get a master's degree in math? Why didn't you get an MBA or a masters in computer science?"
Or they just want to hear you say you didn't want to obtain domain knowledge but a foundation science, which gives you more theoretical capability than the single fields.
Idk if they're clueless and your analysis is right, but ive seen it used in the way I described many times. I think it's within what are the standard questions.
Note in that case you would have gone for a bitter or negative interpretation, where they wanted to go to a place where you express your respect for science and speak about what f fulfils you.
That's a question that is supposed to bring a positive note and align you with them. If you reply negatively on that you should see them being super at unease at that moment.
Generally "why did you do this?" Can be an invitation, an offer of attention. I know many times in our life it's not that and just someone stepping on your ideals. But if you didn't include the positive option but had 4 negative ones then you need to add nr. 5.
Please do it since it is very likely that your interpretation had a very big, half of the space - hole.
Ive worked at a food service establishment for a very nice couple who refered to us as a family but more importantly they valued us like a family giving monthly bonuses and holding large holiday parties for the staff. Very nice people.
I worked for a company with a supervisor whose idea of leadership was sneaking around trying to find employees doing things they shouldn’t. Once, when put on an assignment for something I had zero training for and I asked her for help she threw up her hands and told me “YOU figure it out!” I was actually happy to get fired from there, even though two of their reasons given were BS and one was only half true. They would fire someone every so often and then if asked about their problems tell them that the problem workers were recently let go, so they scapegoated me. Yeah, very toxic place.
I once had a delivery job where the manager spent five minutes during a morning meeting talking about how much extra money you'd make and how many calories you'd burn if you worked twenty hours of overtime every week for a month. Also, at that same job on that same day, they begged a worker who had stomach surgery two days prior to come in, promising to put him on desk work. Then once he arrived, they made him go out and deliver. Yes, it was amazon
I believe you ... Amazon env was made toxic more than a decade ago by .. you guessed it Bezos
I'm not sure which country you're in but in the UK they used real employees in a TV ad a few years back and one actually said that "we work hard and play hard" and pretty much the only positive thing they could think of was that one member of staff made cakes. It was an absolute trainwreck and I still have no idea why they decided to broadcast it
My limited experience with Amazon is the workers like you and your co-worker suck. You cry and whine on the internet, talk crap about your employer and can't ever deliver a package right. You throw the packages at my doorstep without even knocking where it can get stolen, ignoring instructions. Ya, not everyone buys its totally the company and not you guys.
Where is the freaking state? Why it allows to exploit people that much?
Devilish to the core
I remember working 80-100 hour weeks for almost six months trying to meet an artificial deadline on a software project. One of the 3rd party libraries I used had a bug which showed up the morning of the release date. I told the VP about it and his response was "You've just fired the whole company." I went outside and cried. Then I came back in, found a workaround and then started looking for my next job. Two weeks later, I'm leaving for a new job making 50% more with half the commute time and my boss tells me he can't understand how I could be so disloyal.
LOL! Loyalty? That's a good one. (Employers like to take advantage of people will attachment issues/ insecurity...the cult like environment...)
Loyalty to a place like that? They’re delusional.
100hours a week? For six months? Dude, that's 14 to 20 (!) hours of work a day depending if you worked 7, 6 or 5 days a week. When did you eat, shit and sleep? You're either making things up or you were foolish enough to enslave yourself. I hope they paid you good money though?
You should have simply told the boss you don’t want to fire the whole company again.
@@AbNomal621 LOL!!! Best laugh I had today, thanks!
I had a manager who kept telling me that I wasn't cut out for the field and couldn't keep up with their fast pace, even though she'd promoted me twice. Turns out she was doing everything she could to sabotage my work. Now I'm still in the field, working at an even faster paced work environment, and she isn't.
We’re like a family. We work hard to provide an inclusive environment. Huge red flags.
"Inclusive" is a loaded term nowadays. "We're inclusive, except when we're not."
@@TheDoctor394 "We're inclusive, as long as it aligns with our interest."
Inclusive meaning they will berate you with DNC propaganda.
@@TheDoctor394 Inclusive means they have to work really hard to discipline women or minorities, but white guys can be fired with little to no reason. That's what my neighbor told me, and she runs the HR department at the hospital I work at.
@@americandissident9062 I assume you're in the USA? I'm in Australia, a white male and, to be fair, I'm well-treated in the industry I work in, which is childcare, but there's no doubt there are "favoured" groups here, and that does not include white, straight men.
A couple others:
"We offer a competitive salary" = We think we know what other companies pay. Maybe we'll add a couple dollars to it. We hope you don't look to much further into it.
"We're a high-energy, fast-paced office" = Long hours, crushing workload. When your hair starts falling out from the stress, we have a hat with our logo you can wear.
Oh that hat's nice
Here companies use industry salary surveys. Basically companies are surveyed to see what they pay and then all companies can get access to the survey. It’s effectively price fixing, but doesn’t contravene any law because the companies don’t directly collude with each other.
@@ian1352 Not sure which region you're referring to, so I'll confirm that something of this kind is done in the US for job market intelligence. The good thing about the US is it is so easy to quit and move to another company. If one is not happy with one's work or pay, it's easy to improve it in the US. All it takes is getting off the couch and doing some job-shopping in almost all cases. :)
Nowadays, it's easy to find out what the local market is paying for your position, so I don't see a "competitive salary" statement to be a bad thing, necessarily. But, as with any buzzword-laden sentence, you have to press them on specifics. "What do you mean when you say that, exactly? Have you compared the salary for this roles with others in the market? Is it better than that? And why is it higher/lower than the average?"
Big red flag I got in a interview I asked what the benefit’s were and she said we don’t offer benefits I said thank you for your time and walked out. Any company that dose not offer their employees some type of benefits is just mean in my opinion that should be standard you think the company would care enough to keep their employees in good healthy shape even if they offered just half benefits it’s still something
I love the companies who tell you that they promote getting a secondary education and will reimburse you for obtaining your degree but then make you work ridiculous hours that won't allow you to go to classes.
Yup! I had a company like that. You had to stay for 5+ years to get the money.
Yup I worked for a company like that. They were not willing to work with my school schedule. That’s the part they don’t say in the interview.
McDonald’s lol
I think you mean post-secondary but yeah. Also companies now expect you to work X years after you stop going or you have to pay it back.
That happened to me! They did book it in the end but then i had no time at work to complete it and had to use holiday for two years to cover the time to do assignments
I worked for a company who used the line: "We will do whatever it takes" as part of their Mission Statement.
That is a red flag also because it sets them up for a client to look at them as a "vendor" and not a "partner" in the arrangement.
That means you will be on the "back end" of abuse from a client as an employee.
Yeah. "Whatever it takes" will usually mean excessive crunch times, expecting you to basically live at work because it's "whatever it takes" to get this job done by next week.
That what the medical field is all about. Hospitals will do whatever it takes to make the patient happy, which means the patient is allowed, almost encouraged, to mistreat staff. Also, our goal should be health, not making the patient happy. What makes the patient happy is most likely what put them in the hospital to begin with.
@@americandissident9062 My original post is not in reference to the medical field. I should have clarified that I worked in advertising, which is a million miles away from an "essential" line of work (as a friend who was career military reminds me of often.) ;-)
What’s really awesome is people at this point in time can move easily, refuse job offers with others coming right behind, and be picky. When I graduated from university in 1982 you took what you could get. 1 thru 5 all applied. I hope this generation doesn’t have to experience that but I fear everything old will soon be new again.
But where and in what industry? One man's famine is another man's fortune.
Some people can, some people can't. True then, true now.
Currently working at a smaller company where “We’re like family here”, AND my supervisor says “We wear many hats here”. To top it off, our director has been starting to use the phrase “Everyone needs to understand that they’re not special, and they’re replaceable.” About to hand in my resignation letter 😂
Comments like yours make me wonder why those kinds of organizations ever started up to begin with. Robot-like individuals in supervisory positions mouthing nonsense jargon day in and day out. Who would even WANT to work for a company that doesn't perceive its own employees as special and irreplaceable? Remarks such as these have a DIRECT IMPACT on the quality of an employee's work.
Addendum 8/30/2022: Not to mention the fact that if you're "like family" and "totally replaceable" in the same company, in the same breath,, you get some insight into what the owners think about their own, apparently replaceable, families.
@Koriander Yander Just providing context, not condoning the act or anything. In the business I'm in, we can't afford to "lose" someone suddenly be it them taking a day off or getting fired. More often than not, someone getting fired has been planned weeks if not months in advance. If you suddenly see someone come into work that does the exact same thing as you do, whether they're there to "help" you or whatever reason they gave you. Odds are you're being replaced or being phased out. The only company that suddenly fire someone without a backup plan is a bad one.
"Replaceable" - use of that word & that mindset translates to no respect for employee- no win & toxic for staff.
Because family is replaceable.
@Koriander Yander exactly especially when you notice that the company is always hiring people who work the same position you do.
Every time someone quits your manager says
“People just don’t want to work”
For you 😂
Yes. Whenever you hear this, follow it up with "for you."
Where I work there's people who don't want to work- yet get promoted
I run a business and I'm relieved that I don't say any of these. My advice to employees is make yourself valued and you'll be respected and treated well. If that value goes unrecognised look for another job where it is recognised. I don't really value loyalty a great deal - what good is a long-standing but poor employee? It's all just a transaction when you boil it down, and it must be mutually beneficial. It's not a family - that suggests some kind of emotional attachment. I do believe in the idea of a team, but only in the sense that communication and cooperation are important.
"Replaceable." I am a nurse in the public sector working a rotating roster, and I've heard that a lot across many locations and have seen it demonstrated. Have also heard that one about the moving goal posts in regards to career progression, and have seen it demonstrated sometimes with overtly maleficent intentions. The key to survival, for now, has been to move around a lot. To live in a central location if possible and to move from one job to another. For now it's for survival, to avoid stagnation, and the disappointment of receiving compliments but no financial reward for loyalty, toeing the line and working hard.
A green flag I recently experienced at my newest job was the CEO himself telling me, in front of my manager, that he expects me to prioritize my family first and my job fifth. The pay is reasonable, the workload is manageable, I have a calm lead who is more like a mentor in my field, and I'd probably get locked in the building if I didn't leave on time! I know the prompt was red flag stories, but sometimes it's nice to get a reminder that sometimes there are decent jobs waiting to hire the right person! It's not perfect, but in this case good is good enough. :)
This is nice to hear, hope it continues to go well
Awesome share! 😁
omg after all this gloom and doom your comment was literally a ray of sunshine and hope to read through! Thank you so much !! I literally don't know a single person who can say what you just did which left me believing that this is the world now, there are no decent managers and all want to cut corners to make the company a buck to show off to the board or stockholders for that quarter but then, don't they realise or just observe how once you go down that route, you can almost never recover from it ? much like debt, you're always just running month to month, quarter to quarter whilst driving everyone into burn out and STILL not actually meeting your insane deadlines and ending up costing the company 5x what it could have cost to do it right the first time.... so again, thank you for your post ! your people should get a medal ! XD
Glad you said this :) thanks dude
If the CEO told me my job comes 5th, I'd get on my knees and say "But you come first sir". I'm not even gay, just greatful.
I remember one genius from HR said "you're all replaceable" (something one definitely should not say) AND "other people would love to have a job like yours. People are lining up for those positions" (again, things you do not say) during a company meeting. A handful of people walked out right after she said that, and never came back. Besides them, a few others left during that week; no two weeks notice, either. The HR person screamed at the people who left during the meeting about giving notices, and a reply came back as "if we are so replaceable, then you do not need us to give one" How the HR rep had a job past that month, I will never know, as I left there years ago.
Lmao of all people an HR rep said that 😂😂
@@dudeda96er Probably the owner's wife.
FYI - To those who have not dealt with HR directly, take note that they are there to Protect the company at ALL Cost. They will do all they can, short of physically slapping you in the face, to either make your complaint go away or have you quit so they don't have to pay you unemployment. They are in NO WAY there to help you. Unless you have a CLEAR VIVID Video with 3 witnesses where say your boss is physically abusing you, they will Not help you in any way.
Don't ask me how I know this, just be wise and do NOT trust HR. At best your situation will remain the same, at worse you will loose your job (NO unemployment income as well) and any benefits and pension that you once HAD.
It is difficult to work in an abusive and exploiting environment, but tread lightly when thinking of contacting HR for help. Very few circumstances will warrant contacting HR. In most cases, you either have to just continue supporting the toxic environment till you can find another job to fall back on when you quit. Build your skills and resume is key at all times. Grow your knowledge and ask questions to other others, in and out of your department to improve your value. The more you know the more likely you can be hired somewhere else and possibly be paid more.
NEVER feel you are Responsible for a company because they will forget you existed 1 hour after they receive confirmation from FTD Flowers that the bouquet of flowers they sent arrived to your funeral-viewing.
@@dudeda96erTHIS
One owner of a small service company worked his people to the bone. His slogan was “Our work is our play”. He also talked about his employees being like family. The family thing went right out the window when an employee was sick, got hurt or needed time off for something family related. He also frequently complained about how much his senior people made. He would tell them that they were over paid and he could find someone to replace them and work for a lower wage.
The owner of a company I worked for once wanted to see my team's process. He grabbed our manager and looked at what we were doing. He was a little dissapointed because I guess our manager has been telling him something different how things are done. So our embarrassed manager looked at me and my colleague and said "why havent ya been doing like I asked!". Both of us confused, we said sorry. After they left we looked at each other and said " wtf, when did he tell us to do it that way?". Our manager wanted to save face so bad and in turn just belittled us in front of ownership. It was pathetic.
When they say “we care about mental health” it means they provide you a compfy yoga room to cry in when the job drives you crazy.
If someone from higher up tells my team to "just breathe and release every negative thought with each exhale" one more time 🙃
To be fair there are very few jobs that would drive someone crazy... It's ALWAYS the people, usually the ones you're forced to work with or under that actively keep throwing logs under your feet on a daily basis. Problems that could be solved if your co-workers or superiors exhibited the bare minimum of competency at their job position and if everyone was held to the same standard. I've once had wise manager who said that if everyone done their jobs, there would be collectively less work to be had.
@@Micromation @Micromation ugh I hear that. I happen to be working in that group of jobs tho lol. My coworkers are great at their jobs and incredibly talented. We don't need to breathe- we need practical resources to compensate for the craziness we have to deal with on the daily so we don't end up burned out & with declining mental health.
or 15 min with a psychologist
THIS 💀💀😭😭
Rockstar: unreliable, addicted to something, riddled with disease and vice.
Oh my god, about half of these apply to the Air Force: "Work hard, play hard", "we're like a family", "we wear lots of hats", "you're replaceable". I'm so glad that I can retire in 21 months!
I was once a door-to-door fundraiser for a "progressive" political group and every work day they'd go out to a bar or something after work.
They would act like it was a social team-building thing but really it was a big middle finger to all the fundraisers because the only ones that were being paid well enough to go and order anything other than water was the managers and above.
I've never worked so hard for so little.
Thanks for sharing! Smh..'Fundraising' smh
Biography is philosophy. Your politics are a larger scale version of what you do when you think no one is looking. Same rules apply for all.
Run away when the company says, “it’s a rock and roll atmosphere.” 😂
Hey at least their socialism values were transparent. 😂
One thing I learned as a young adult is don't do too much for a promotion. I was a dishwasher wanting to pursue my cooking passion and they told me if I work hard, I'll get that promotion. I did the most at my job and made myself an extremely valuable asset. Well that worked against me because they found I was better for them being where I was at so that promotion never came. Quit as soon as I got the message
In a company like that, sometimes the only way to get promoted is to leave for a promotion and then come back at the higher level. Once you leave, you usually don't want to come back.
if you want a promotion, look for opportunities to demonstrate the skills/abilities of the role you want, instead of doing your current role better. if you want to be a manager, demonstrate leadership. Find ways to improve the way the team works, mentor the newer members and help them get up to speed, ect, ect. Either you'll get promoted, or you'll develop the skills to get the promotion elsewhere.
doing your current role better in hopes of a promotion signals that you could have been working harder before you heard about the opportunity, and only apply yourself when you think theres a prize around the corner. it says that once you get the promotion, you'll go back to your old level of effort. its better to pace yourself and work at a sustainable level of effort over the long term.
@@anthonyskrzypczak9437 Except it's not about doing your role better, it's about doing more than just your role. During that time I did dishwasher duties, prep duties, helped servers and would occasionally bus tables. I went beyond the scope of what my job entailed and made myself well rounded. In a sense you are right but partially. If I did get the cook job, I definitely would've just stayed in the scope of my job. That doesn't mean I would work less hard, it just means I would stop spreading myself out between other positions.
@@anthonyskrzypczak9437 that doesn't work either. I was cooking and wanted to get given the extra to train as I was by far one of the two best we had, I got forced to train staff without the promotion by shoving them out the back with me alone so I had to teach them so I was able to do my job and I trained them well with no promotion. One of the people that started 2 months after me (after I moved to that store with 9 months experience already), that I trained, ended up as a manager.....someone that started months after me ended up manager....you know why? Because they could force me into a situation where I had to train and not pay me, they could leave me out the back alone and know I could do 3 people's jobs purely because I had no choice as it was that or be screamed at and most importantly, I had a family and wouldn't work extra hours for free (they would cut you off at a certain time and ask you to do more hours) I wouldn't show up to extra shifts that I legally couldn't do because I'd already worked too many hours by law and when the owner came out yelling at the 16 year olds I'd get in between and tell him that it wasn't ok to abuse his staff.....so yeah I was basically doing the kitchen manager job organizing the whole area, looking after staff, doing almost everything alone, training everyone and because i didn't have my head up the bosses ass and let him treat kids like shit. Rarely actually has anything to do with skill it's how hard you will work for the lowest pay they can manage to get away with
@@cyanidesyn123 the key part of this is to leave.
get the cheap promotion at your current place, demonstrate to yourself that you can do the job, and then use that skill and confidence to interview at a place that will respect you.
internal promotions are for experience, external promotions are for money. its easier to get the good job when you can already do it.
also, if you can do all that you described, you are well on your way to being able to run your own place.
One of my favorites is, “We’re looking for someone who can think outside the box”. What they are really saying is that their company is broken and they are looking for someone to blame it on. Remember, they created “the box”. If they are looking for someone to think outside of it, they are essentially saying that the system they created doesn’t work. Rather than admitting they have lost control, they hire someone to use as a scapegoat. The new hire lasts a few months and then is let go. The management blames the new hire for screwing up the whole company and they pat each other on the back for getting rid of them. They then go back to their business as usual.
Also it's worth pointing out that people who "think outside the box" will constantly have conflicting viewpoints with people who are limited to their own boxes.
In my experience, "think outside the box" is code for 'figure out a better way to do A, B, and C so that I can take all the credit'.
Yet when you do think outside of the box, they will chide you and accuse you of not following the rules or not being a team player.
I've experienced this first hand. I was the 'problem' that was created by bad management. So I was fired via scapegoat blaming. Even though I was asked to fix the problem. The problem was management and I discovered that quick. I called them out and they in turn fired me.
The problem with "think outside the box" is that they get angry and defensive when you do, because they made the box and don't like having their work criticized.
Employers are generally the first to ask for your loyalty, and the last to give it. The most honest employment relationships I ever encountered usually involved membership in a union.
I was told during a so called promotion that "we want to take care of you" while adding an insultingly tiny raise, and a few tiny perks, to compensate me for taking over an additional entire full time position while keeping all my previous responsibilities. ...Wow, thanks a lot!
that is how I left my previous job. They offered me a promotion as I outgrew my then current position. I was going to be salary vs previous hourly. And when they said how much, I choked on air as could not believe they had the audacity to say it seriously. I was supposed to work more hours (was already doing good overtime), take on more job and they would CUT my paycheck by exactly A THIRD!
@@annapatton4544 It's definitely weird out there wherever people are involved, which as far as I can tell is everywhere unfortunately! Hope your new job is more fulfilling!
Some years ago I was working in an IT role for a large Electronics company, and despite a glowing annual appraisal I was told that there was no money for raises. Si I contacted a recruitment agency and landed a better role nearer home with an 80% salary increase. When I handed in my notice, the manager said ' don't think you can blackmail us into giving you more money by threatening to resign'. So I replied ' I don't - I have accepted a much better offer and I'm off in four weeks.' I left the manager gasping like a stranded fish.
😆GOLD!
This was so satisfying to read 🤣!! Got em!
"blackmail" aka literally just normal employment practices lmao
Doubtful story....80% increase? yeah sure!....This is what you dream would happen.
@@kendallevans4079 No, it's true, We were seriously behind the market salarywise, I wasn't the only one to leave.
'We're like a family'
Yet they never, ever consider promoting from within.
Let's work as a team, would be an appropriate comment
Things I've learnt from bad jobs:
When it's bad, they say it'll get better and just need to get through this period. That doesn't mean a bad quarter financially, but to do with a context where the work environment has took a turn. They will say it's due to X reason, but in reality that is how the business operate now for the long term. Essentially the reliance on your loyalty to stick it out during the bad times. Like the video says, it's a bad relationship that only seems to care about you when they need you. It's only a faux care and they'll NEVER put their money where their mouth is. FYI, that doesn't mean being economically placated entirely, but improving the culture.
Micro sticks. Each day count how many times you get told you are doing something wrong. If it increases, then count how often this increase lasts for. It may seem minor, but how many times they use stick over carrot shows the business. I once had a job where it got so bad that I'd get 8 emails a day saying I did something wrong. In reality, it was their difficult KPIs that were impossible to achieve. They increased the volume inward work coming, while expecting same level of work and output. It became impossible and something had to give.
Mini promotions. Have they started giving people a title that offers no official purpose, but extract extra work out of people. Similar to the videos point of wearing many hats. It's designed so people don't notice there is a glass ceiling. It makes that person a more company person as they think they're on the pathway of progression. If it doesn't pay much more and it's not that official then it's fake.
I worked for a 3rd party contractor for American Airlines called Envoy Air. I regret giving them my 5 years and herniated disc. We were located in Nashville BNA and we were one of the larger American Hubs, and being that we had more employees then some of the other airports. So instead of American Airlines directly hiring us and having to give us benefits they hired a 3rd party contractor to make more money. We had meetings after meetings trying to become a union like the rest of Americans crew. It was frustrating going to another city, and seeing a American Airlines worker doing the same exact job as you but makes way more and has benefits. We were promised year after year “Next year we’re making you union” just to keep us around. 6 months after Covid hit they had another meeting to see if they would make us a union and it was denied. I quit the next day. Did that make a difference and do they really care, probably not. But I refuse to work for a company like that again. I work for a small privately owned cannabis company and couldn’t be treated better. Older I get the more I despise the wealthy that step on and use normal people to get ahead in life. Sorry for the rant your video just made me remember how shitty they were
Speaking to the replaceable: Companies are equally replaceable. I worked for an IT outfit in Cleveland and the owner wanted to chase a certain market. I asked about company support for training and certification. He straight up said "I expect you to cover that as it directly benefits you and your career". Really this is how you're going to play it asshole?
So I went and did the training and certification myself, went to his competitor for $15K more/year. Walked into his office and let him know I took his advice from 6 months ago and wanted to thank him.
We was initially confused and then I reminded him of what he said and let him know I fired him.
Well done. Changing jobs is the normal way to get a step change in remuneration.
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Drops mic, walks away 🎤
Well played, sir.
You deserve a standing ovation...... fantastic! 👏👏👏👏👏
“If your not happy quit, I can hire someone else” than management turns around and says “your an integral part of company and our business cannot afford to lose you”.
Had a boss tell me that first line once. I replied "Great idea" and walked out on the spot.
@@Hisdudeness9500 They should be careful what they wish for, no?
Sir, great video.
I've been blissfully retired for 20yrs
But have many young friends who seek my experienced input in thier day to day work issues.
Corp America is now an open air insane asylum of unchecked power.
Everything you expressed in this no Bs video I've shared with them in my own words.
You really nailed this issue down well, superbly. Yours is solid quality advice without sensationalism.
The plain TRUTH is easy to hear & process.
Ty sincerely for your work.
It's a rare gem.☉
For me it was a couple of things. First, I tried to go to my supervisor about being spoken to cruelly and unfairly by another coworker, and even over six months of going through it and involving HR and an official investigation, my supervisor STILL tries to tell me that it never really happened, even though I wasn't even the only one who spoke up about this person bullying others. Second, a staff member in another department brought a loaded gun to work and made threats, and the company's response has been to hush it up and sweep it under the rug and not make any sort of statement to the rest of the staff about it to assure everyone of their commitment to safety.
I'm not quitting without another job lined up, and I won't take a huge decrease in salary, but I'm keeping my eyes open for other opportunities.
I went to a job interview and got there early and stood outside. I started asking every employee walking in if this was a good place to work for?
Everyone walking in said basically: "do yourself a favor and get a job somewhere else"
OMG. You need to post this on a bumper sticker: ALWAYS GO EARLY FOR A JOB INTERVIEW AND INTERVIEW THE PEOPLE WHO WORK THERE.
😂 😂 😂
During an interview they claimed that on rare occassion I'd need to do split-work on a different floor (go back and forth, using the stairs). I stayed behind after the interview and talked to some employees in the hall and break room, asking "How often do you get assigned split-work on the second floor?" and they all said "Pretty much every day." Game over.
Yet, the people you’re interviewing still work there. Hard to take the word of someone who doesn’t believe in themselves.
Here's one for you, when the company's "were hiring sign" is twice as large as their business sign it's a good indication it's a "toxic" environment.
You see a lot of those "now hiring" signs these days.
Yes! Along with that, when a company has a permanent “now hiring sign” that’s a clue to run 🏃♂️
@@WorldStage_Decoder Depends; like if a company is growing quickly because they are gaining market terrain (because of quality they deliver for example) and they don't want their current employees to overwork; they need to hire more new employees. And that would be the right choice too, so it's not always true
I worked for a company for fifteen years that was a "family" before I realized how abusive and awful the situation was. Never again.
Biggest warning sign, 'we're like a little family, here'. Nope, I don't need a family. I've got one. It actually feels like a bit of a creepy statement.
I resigned from my job of 21 years last week. I'm an ICU & ER RN having saved thousands of lives with my skills in the past 2 decades. I've gotten one raise in the past 5 years of 50¢ an hour. I've been told by my supervisor "but we frequently supply donuts and snacks." In ICU I should have only 2 patients on ventilators, with Covid I've had up to 12. This past 1.5 years has been a devastating workload for all healthcare workers. I made $41. an hour but they pay part time travel nurses $160. an hour and I train them. I'm currently taking a break, sleeping in, watching movies and ordering pizza. I may become a travel RN, too, but down the road. There is no end in sight with the massive patient load in hospitals. If I do become a high paid travel RN I will definitely require a staffing ratio for patients. People, stay safe, health care workers are leaving constantly, soon there will be few to take care of you.
Cheers to you ... a Front Line worker! Good Lord you deserve a well deserved break! A "traveling RN" sounds much better - especially if your life, family situation / responsibilities can handle it ... go for it - when the time is right!
I recently resigned as a Director in a senior living community; grueling for 21 mos (no "working from home) --- I left a much longer comment in this video or perhaps it was another one about working through a pandemic. My position couldn't even compare to what you and your colleagues have endured in hospitals across the country / the world ... but somehow it's this ongoing expectation to just keep going, work more hours and be expected to take on more and more unrealistic and ever growing job descriptions! Finally, enough was enough ... they have probably had to hire 2-3 people after my departure / resignation to keep that department afloat ~
Anyway, enjoy your downtime and select a new position with more pay, better benefits and more respect - as I too plan to do! 🌠
Covid was a nightmare for all health care workers. A lot of our staff left to take high paying travel nurse jobs and I told them, go and do it, nothing like this has ever happened in nursing before, make hay while the sun shines. At least my hospital has learned that if they're short staffed money talks, you have to pay for it.
"We believe in a Work/Life balance". "There are 24 hours in a day, we only expect you to work half of those".
Until we become short handed-
Unless you're salaried. Then you can expect to work far more hours.
@@foxymetroid I don’t believe the prestige and benefits of many salaries jobs live up to their status anymore, and wages/payg gives workers more leverage.
Oof 😥
A company that says we aren't profitable but gives massive raises to leadership
Thanks man. Wish we had TH-cam and your channel in 1980 on my first job. I would not feel so alone. You are helping people! Hah, when they say "We are like a family" realize they are also saying "but you're not".
A former employer: To celebrate the $100s of millions a previous project made for the company, the team was invited to "come let us treat you to a cup of coffee" Amazing how tone deaf some of these managers are.
This sounds familiar. At a company I was at we got an ice cream party. Because apparently we're all five years old.
Were you in logistics? “Thanks for the million dollars, here’s some bagels” was pretty standard. Oh, and poverty-level wages despite continuous million dollar solutions.
I got that too! I built a program that cut in half the amount of time it took for our entire data entry department to enter leads and it reduced the amount of time it took to manage those leads to about four hours a week from 40 AND improved the reporting. I got a freaking cup of coffee. It wasn’t even my job, but the guy who was supposed to manage all of that got sick the day we launched a new system and I had to do my work and create an entire process for doing his work with a new system. Freaking cup of coffee. He got a promotion, I got a cup of coffee. The guy that replaced him was a misogynistic jerk and I was told that I should just tolerate it because misogyny was part of his culture…I managed three out of the four major programs we ran through the department and he stretched four hours of work over a 40 work week. And he made more money than I did.
@@beccangavin Arrrgh! Quit while you’re still sane, there is something better for you somewhere.
LOL! At a company I worked for they gave an employee a brand new set of steak knives for being with them for a decade.
I found your channel like 6 months ago. Depressed af, expecting a car crash every day when driving to work. You even gave me some words of encouragement. After some introspection and your guidance, I feel confident enough to find a new job and got a new one starting next week. Better salary, better position, better working environment. Thank you so much!
And for all you guys and gals, if you’re watching this video is for a reason. There is light at the end of the tunnel, and it’s not always a train!
I'm like this right now. Every day when I'm driving to work I'm wishing for a car accident. I'm late always because I just can't seem to get out of bed to even get to work
Thank you
@@FairyKit this was me in my previous job. Going to work, my whole body would ache. I left eventually and looking back I realize it was always a toxic environment and never good for me. I stayed because I thought I couldn't find or do better, much like an abusive relationship. Please trust yourself to find a better job and just do it. Don't waste any more time there 💗
@@Ephesians5-14 thank you! Yeah I'm going to tell them that I can't work there anymore. I'm just always tired and I always have nausea. It's like on and off and always feeling like I want to throw up. I'm at a shift right now and have two hours left. I just want to go home now 😔
@@FairyKit Don't forget that we get paid to improve our quality of life, like a roof, food, clothes, etc...
Sometimes, a new job get you a boost in QoL that you won't get by working extra hours or getting paid more
Good knowledge. Having experienced everything you've mentioned, I will only contest one thing... Assume all promises are lies, because they are. Even if you get it in writing, their lawyers get paid more than yours and they know it!
I worked for a company that said it was like a family, said we were replaceable, and always said "we want to give you bonuses but..." I left there, took a pay cut, and went somewhere where they were up front about starting a new thing, that it would be challenging, but they would help. They honored that promise for the first year, and the second year is considerably smoother, even though it's still a challenge. Much better environment!
In my experience, the “family” atmosphere often turns into people playing out their traumas at work. I’m not actually your relative and you can’t talk to me like I am!
My work family will do that . I hear all sorts of personal stuff but I say something personal and I’m told my real family sounds dysfunctional.
@jassi rakhra watch yourself, sir.
Or them taking advantage of you financially
I've had to clean house at my company that I took over from my father, since he was continuing losing money and running it into the ground. I was previously a corporate attorney with tons of experience on how to effectively run a business to be both profitable and professional and treating employees fairly. Dad had run it as "family" business. Oh my the mess I found when i took over. It was like personal drama central and half of their day was spent on that rather than work. And i lost count of who was screwing who or had in the past and now involved in drama when it was over or someone got knocked up. COMPLETE mess. Had no idea at first what i was stepping into. Took me a good year, but i finally got it mostly cleaned up and most of the existing staff had to go. You couldn't run a successful business with all that going on.
I remember once at an engineering company a senior manager told a bunch of engineers working on highly specialised products that they were replaceable. Someone lower down the ladder had to explain to him that not only would it take months to find replacements, but it would take months more for the new people to get up to speed.
"Senior manager" is lucky there wasn't a mass walkout.
true 100000%
Managers are the replaceable ones ;-)
@@zyeborm MY sister worked for a company for 40 years, She says that she had over 10 mangers in that time. She turned down the manager job several times telling HR " Why in Gods name would i do that to myself.......that is a sure way to get fired around here. "
that "we are a family" thing was a mantra at the last place i worked. We knew it was ridiculous, and so did the employer.