Got a Mazda 3 hatchback 2019 this past winter. Still haven't come down from the high. Smooth ride, AWD, amazing stock speakers, luxury feeling interior. Hope to get at least 15 years with it.
Approaching 4 years of ownership on my manual 2.0 Mazda 3. I do literally everything with that car... City driving, canyon roads, track days. I could not agree more on you saying its a well rounded car, it does everything I could ever ask of it! I owned other cars on the side, like an MX-5 and an older Boxter. You can learn to drive the Mzd3 and have fun in it, then its hard to switch to any other car in the class. With good summer and winter tires, it's even enough to fulfill my weekend car needs most of the time. So I got rid of the other cars eventually. Even if they were technically a bit more fun, the 3 was just so much more practical and calm when i wanted it to be at the same time. Mazda advertises that car as 120hp in EU to get around some engine and insurance taxes. In reality it does between 155-165hp, I put mine and a friends on a dyno, and the guys there said thats pretty normal apperantly.
Love my 2014 Mazda 3. I first saw it in May of 2013 and I knew it was going to be my first car. I bought it later that year November. GT hatchback in red of course.
@@TheKaisarwilhelm Ya I feel ya. Having the paddle shifters is nice at least. Find myself using that a lot for downshifting during breaking or passing. Sport mode with the 2.5 keeps things pretty punchy too. I did manage to find one with black leather seats instead of white which I didn't like. In late 2013 all gt's at the dealerships where the white leather. Well almost all lol.
the difference between the 18 and 19 Mazda3 is monumental. they may as well pulled out a 5 or 6 year old Mazda. i couldn't bring myself to the 18. I immediately purchased the 19.
@Noah McNeill it's more of a driver's car (imo) if you are putting 1500 mi/mth in it... would i take it to a track? no. are the seats more comfortable and the stereo one of the best in the market? yes. so comfort + looks + everyday drivable without being bad... yea lukewarm hatch...np with me.
Still very happy with my Mazda 3 after 3 years of ownership. We didn't have 2.5 version in Poland, but my 2.0 is remapped @175 HP and with manual transmission, so no complaints (less weight too) ;) NVH could be better but it's not terrible, just more noticeable at higher speeds. I also had a rental Hyundai i30 (that's Elantra GT in Europe) and it's a nice car, comfortable but quality of materials in noticeably below these in Mazda.
@@ekman8851 no turbo, I've got naturally aspirated 2.0 petrol engine (PE series, Skyactiv-G). I remapped the ECU and results may vary, but from what I've heard and seen, usually 170-180 HP can be achieved. Keep in mind this is NA engine, so these "additional horses" are mostly in higher rev range. It can be applied to both 120HP and 165HP versions as this is basically the same engine with a different map tune.
@@ekman8851 mine was originally 120HP spec but when dynoed it spit out 151 out of factory, power curve getting flat around 4500 rpm (that's where the difference with 165HP version is, they don't have that flat high rev range). With new ECU map it goes up until 6200 🤩 By the way - in my opinion 120 HP is better base for mods, because transmission has longer gears, which is better for cruising with higher speeds and fuel economy 👍 (that's why I chose this version)
I bought a used Mazda 3 Sgt man I love it chekl all the boxes for me sporty nice to drive beautiful kinda luxurious and tons of space the best of both worlds
I own a mazda 3 hatchback 2016 6 speed manual 2.5 litre, its a pepoy car, I alao own a bmw335i and a corvette, and I can honestly said that I dont miss my other two cars when driving the mazda through the canyons, curvy roads. Its a fun, well refine car. Can wait for the new mazda with the inline 6 to come out.
I honestly don't know how you can say that. I had the same car (2015) and every time I drove it the word "adequate" was the only thing that came to mind. Not a fun car (the engine doesn't like to rev and the heavy flywheel does it no favors). It was also loud (addressed with the later refresh). In no way would this car make me forget an e90 (or newer) 335i unless you have one without the sports package. You may as well drive a Buick.
@@darrell9616 You ownit and I dont but every review I sqww about that year car said it was above average in interior, handling, engine, fuel economy. Think it was the #2 rated hatchback that year
@@bellmeisterful For its class, sure. However, I found several (most) of the reviews lacking when it came to describing the car's deficiencies. It was a good car FOR ITS CLASS. The post I replied to just didn't make any sense to me especially given the other cars referenced.
I have a 2018 Elantra sport, since March 2019 and love it! I has the 7 spd DCT, couldn't find a manual but its winning me over. I have aftermarket rims with the OEM tires, which I don't like too much and Blizzak WS90's on my stock rims. It has a JUN B.L. axle-back and SXTH Element CPTL enclosed intake and those 2 mods added even more driving enjoyment! My best mileage is 40 mpg with the cruise on and going 70 mph, far above the 33 mpg rating. I can't say enough about my car, daily driven in Chicagoland and has been rock, solid in reliability too👍👍
Klasse Act Did you downsize the aftermarket wheels to get a bit more sidewalk for those Chicago roads? The stock wheels and tires look a little pothole-susceptible
I get about 40 mpg city in the civic (2017 EX), also in the Chicagoland area. 47 mpg was my best when i drove for about 26 miles and 49.6 when I drove for 13 miles in Chicagoland suburbs
I crossshopped these three in 2018 (pre Mazda3 refresh) and I didn't want the Civic because they are selling them at sticker and without getting the Type R you can't get a stick and Android Auto/Apple Carplay compatibility. The issue with the Elantra was that the only two available with sticks within range to dealer swap were two grey ones, one regular, one sport. I ended up with the Mazda in the touring trim (when you could pick your trim with a manual) and I have 0 regrets. Love my Mazda.
Its always so much fun to watch you guys! :) Thank you for uploading this episode to TH-cam :) I would love to see an episode where you both testdrive your very first car you got when you were young, that would be great to watch :)
So last week I traded in my 2017 Mazda Hatch 6MT (base model) for a 2015 Acura ILX 2.4 6MT. The ILX is a bit overlooked. It’s not a hatch, but anyone looking into these cars should take a look at it. It’s around the same price and honestly it feels like a completely different class of vehicle. Btw, I really did enjoy my Mazda for over 3 years!
Hunter Manzano The ILX *is* overlooked, but isn’t it just a Civic in a suit? Note that I am not saying that as a bad thing... just more as a “know what it really is” kind of thing. Also, if I am not mistaken, it has a K series under the hood. I had a last-production-year RSX-S with a similar K engine (less torque, same power, higher compression, lower displacement, higher redline), and I found it so, so frustrating around town. It was really only when I my foot was all the way down merging onto the highway that the car really felt like it was something. What do you think about that 2.4 liter K series around town, specifically? Right now, for somewhere in the same ballpark money, I am looking at the new Kia Forte GT manual (sedan), assuming I keep my job, when this current situation is over.
PrimusPilusVorenus I find that it’s pretty easy around town thus far. It really wants to be revved. Compared to the 2.0 in my Mazda 3 I definitely prefer it. The clutch and shifter in the ILX is leaps and bounds better than the Mazda’s. Regarding the “civic in a suit” thing I hear a lot...it’s really not. My fiancé has a 17 Civic (base sedan) and there’s no comparison when it comes to ride quality. Much smoother, and heavier feeling. Material qualities are A big step up as well. Also, the civic has a CVT. The 2016 and up ILX have an 8-speed dual clutch. It would definitely be worth it to give them on a test drive seeing as you can get a 16-17 low mile ILX for $15-$17k. Take it for a spin and you’ll feel a pretty big difference when you hop in that Kia. 6MT was only made 13-15. You might have a little trouble finding one, but proving is usually really reasonable.
The Si solves a lot of the hatch sports problem. Has the nicer infotainment with Apple CarPlay and android auto. Leather wrapped steering wheel, way better seats, adaptive dampers, LSD, and more power for only 2ish grand more. Only thing that stinks is it doesn’t come as a hatch. Love my 2019 Si coupe. Great video!
There are no "lukewarm" Golf anymore in North America, they dropped the 1.8TSI and the new 1.4TSI engine has under 150hp. This downgrade makes the Golf one of the worst value in the market, it's almost like VW sabotaged the model to replace it.
The superstar is the Canadian made 2.0NA 6MT Civic LX Sedan, which comes with extremely comfortable heated seat and upgraded entertainment system. Also, NA engine is easier to drive in the city vs UK made Hatchback, mostly because of that K20C2 engine's linear powerband. Carry-on can sit on it's leg within the trunk and the Sedan cost $3k less then the equally equipped Hatch. Dynamically, LX is just as well tuned as the Si without the LSD, which isn't need for slower stuff.
Bought my 2018 Mazda 3 Touring Sedan with manual trans new and still love it. This was the last year you could get the MT in any version of the car. Glad I didn't wait. I would have had to pay $10K more to get the MT now (only available in top-of-line hatch now). Only complaint is the front cup holder location. It's a little uncomfortable shifting with a plastic straw poking your arm, so I stick with cans as much as possible.
It's great to see some manuals in reviews, it seems like compared to 10 years ago car reviewers nobody shows manuals anymore, especially in comparisons
Damn Mazda for deciding a Speed3 is not a viable option with their current business model. That decision made me get a FoST in 2017 and I drove Mazda 3’s since 2006, had a ‘12 Speed3.
May I ask why you did not use the Elantra GT Sport with the 1.6 Turbo engine? I bought it new for 24K as a second car and daily driver to my Porsche 981 GTS. The seats have even red piping and stitching - a 5K option a Porsche. I think the Elantra GT Sport is by far the best value and delivers in every situation.....
Like that you are starting to post theese on TH-cam, i have Amazon Prime, but i cant get the Episodes in Denmark (Northern Europe) i can only see the trailers, also Vimeo does not work (at least for me) - so thanks for uploading theese! :=)
I owned a 00 Mazda Protege ES with a five speed a while back they were city cars they were geared really tight “think Miata” so in the city the car was a blast to drive in the city. On back roads where your top speed was 60 MPH it was a blast. I LOVE. Mazda but I’m a bit disappointed with the newer models because of the lack of the ability to buy the sedan with a manual gearbox.
Sheesh! Just put the specs like HP and weight out there in the beginning for CONTEXT so we don't have to guess the entire time until you mention them randomly throughout the video (or not). You didn't even mention the HP of the 2.5L Mazda that you were actually driving while talking about it, but instead gave HP for 1.5L that you were not driving! Just put up a graphic or something, it's so annoying.
Mazda reportedly coming out with a turbocharged version of the 3. It'll have the same 2.5 liter turbo engine used in the cx5, cx9, and mazda6 Hope they do and I hope they make it available on the awd trim too. I'd be tempted to pick one up if they do.
The Civic to me is over designed. Tone it down a little and it would be better looking. I'll give it to Paul on the seats. More support would be greatly appreciated.
I have to disagree, man. As I said in an above comment, I spent several days in a 2019 Civic, and the seats were some of the worst I've endured. For a modern vehicle, anyway; my '85 Mercury Topaz was worse...
Brenton Welty I also agree , just bought a 20 model hatch sport touring , seats are great 👍 maybe they are better on the touring because of the leather and 8 way power adjustment
Can't wait. Ngl, the Elantra GT is a very pretty car. I think Honda's entire styling department needs to be gutted. If the Mazda is still throttled by that damn super sipper motor, it's a non-option.
Sorry but the GTI costs way more than any of these cars. I got the Civic Hatch sport as my commuter and it works perfect. Not to mention the fact that Honda's resale value is excellent just in case you want to sell/trade-in for a better car in the future.
I'm a Mazda fan (with the exception of the CX-9). I've owned several Mazdas over the years ranging from an AWD Minivan to a rotary powered sports car. And based on the comments I'd have to agree that the Mazda3 may be the best value among the three hatchbacks considered here. So my question is why the sales of the current generation Mazda3 are so abysmal. Total sales for the Mazda3 in 2019 barely topped 50,000 units in the US, down 21% compared to 2018. For 2020 sales will undoubtedly be MUCH worse. And please don't tell me it's because Mazda has turned away from Zoom Zoom Mazdaspeed models. Mazda didn't abandon Mazdaspeed vehicles because they were big sellers. Just the opposite. If adding a performance model Mazda3 increased sales by 40% (a fantasy) Mazda would still have sold fewer total units than the KIA Forte (by 25,000 units), the VW Jetta (by 30,000 units) and the Hyundai Elantra by a whopping 100,000 units. Honda CIvic and Toyota Corolla sales. Forget it. No one should expect to top sales of Civics and Corollas but something is seriously wrong if they cannot more more than 50K Mazda3's. I happen to be a hatchback fan. But I'll hold onto my GTI, thank you. Much better performance. Greater versatility and in my experience totally reliable.
Well, I can't anser the question about why they aren't selling, maybe because of a lack of advertising? But, I am a Mazda mechanic and most of the time they only come in for service, the most common job except for servicing is rear brakepad and dics-changes, since the owners don't brake hard enough to motion the rear brakes. Every single owner I've talked to is super happy with their car aswell. So, nothing is seriously wrong with the cars (edited for spelling correting)
Mazda3 of this generation has plenty of cabin noise and try the arm rest it is rather uncomfortable. The car also has very tight back seat room and low roof line.
Lukewarm? That's not a fair comment, first because so many people behind the wheel of a car do so many stupid things that so much regulations exist for manufacturers for volume sales. Other thing so so many people reviews vehicles and just try to find things to say and most times say their opinions on things that most people care nothing about, like complaints about volume nod in Honda vehicles, or hard plastic in place where doesn't matter, saying a two year old car is dated, or compare normal cars to luxury or sports or hyper cars, which is not relevant for most...they ignore Honda, Toyota, and others reliable, safe, peace of mind and real everyday use.
The lowest trim Civic Sport LX hatch vs the higher trim Elantra GT and Mazda GT Premium is an unfair comparison. At least the Sport Touring hatch has all the available Civic options as standard.
I love the video! I do like the FK7 Civic Hatchback! Btw, what would y’all recommend for $5,000? I’m looking into a used Honda FiT. Long story short I was going to get a 2019 Mazda MX-5 ND2 but with the economy being the way it is my family is urging me to get a paid off car. Thanks y’all! P.S. I know that used cars aren’t really the way to go & I wanted to get a new car.
... Not todd or paul, but the new corolla hatch XSE fits right in the middle of all 3 of these cars. The backseat is cramped, the engine takes a bit to make power, the manual is decent and the tech is what you'd expect. It does have nice headlights for the price.
"VTEC Bro!" "Actually, this little turbo is earthdreams, and it produces less power than the Hyundai low down because..." "Shut up! Its VTEC!" You can't convince everyone. Walks away.
Did he say the Civic is cheaper than the Elantra? MSRP and what they actually sell for are two different things. I cross shopped the Civic and Elantra GTS with the 1.6turbo. MSRP was just under 25K, but out the door with taxes I was at $21,5xx. All the honda dealers I visited would only budge about $750 below MSRP. With comparable features a Civic would have cost me just under 25K before tax and title.
They only mentioned the price as MSRP as optioned. I crossshopped the two and the cheapest I could get a Civic Sport manual was $23k. The Elantra doscounted the base model to $19k and the sport to $21k. Way better value. Easily I would have gone Elantra if I hadn't gone Mazda3 first.
👍...Add B-spec suspension tech to these csrs and they would be fantastic on back roads. And why do manufacturers skimp on seat tech; the one place most/all driver's get their feedback. Put more thought into the seats and people will see past economy grade other stuff...how hard is it to put adjustable lumbar in a seat?
My Brother-in-law has a Civic, and the seats are in fact AWFUL. We drove several days across Four States, and my butt and back were WRECKED by the end.
These kind of comparisons are what we do for our TV show, and we are excited to start bringing the old episodes to TH-cam. Glad you enjoyed - thank you for watching!
I’m shocked they liked the stick in the Honda. Maybe just a reflection of where manuals are in 2020? The clutch has no discernible engagement point, the gear box feels ropey and vague and the engine hangs revs like a motherfucker. I love that Honda is still offering a manual option but this is maybe the worst engine / clutch / gearbox combination I’ve driven. Also: what year was this made? That looks like the old Mazda 3...
So the Mazda is the comfy, refined luxury one, the Honda is the sporty fun to drive car, and the Hyundai is in the middle and a solid reliable car...................What do you prefer?, pick accordingly.
What kind of review is this? You pick a Honda Sport with a manual to compete against two cars with an automatic and significantly more options. You should have compared a Sport Touring with the CVT to make it a fair comparison.
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We are new to it as well. But it’s just a placeholder and a countdown. The video goes live at this url at noon pacific time tomorrow. We were surprised comments were already possible, but this is a 22min TV episode from our second season.
@@alekseidoncel6738 I would not call the new Mazda the hottest Mszda. It has a torsion beam rear suspension and only offers the stick on the hatch top trim. I get your point, however.
Why on earth are you comparing an old Mazda3 with a new civic? The new Mazda3 is a spaceship compared to the old one. I just think it is a bad comparison. Disclosure: I have never owned a Mazda, I have owned a Civic back in 2008. I currently do not druve a car from any of these three manufacturers. My opinion on these cars (including the new Mazda3, I drove one last summer): Mazda 3: a great drive, good trunk space, lota of features, quality materials and man... claustrophobic back seats (new version), comparable to the Toyota c-hr. And not much of space for legs, too. Hyunday: a sensible, vanilla car which checks out all the boxes Honda: great to drive, a bit noisy, cheap materials, bad seats. From these three I would buy a Mazda 3 or if I would like my interior to be vomit free from the passengers seated in the back seat, a Hyundai. If I would not like to make compromises I would just go for the Golf.
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I think they might've done so, but it may just not be on TH-cam. I am sure they have driven it, because they talk about it from time to time on their podcast.
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The Hyundai is junk , the Honda is too much for what you get. Mazda is the clear winner and anyone who actually does their homework will come to the same conclusion.
You sound like a Honda fanboy, who is very biased. Hyundai has come a long way the last two decades so watch out. Also, Mazda is just as reliable IMHO but gets overlooked due to volume of sales.
American's: my feet are too big wahh the pedals are too close together i have big feet im american sized and big not japanese These guys: the pedals are too far apart wahh
Skip the Civic. The exterior is hideous, the interior is below quality compared to the Elantra GT and the Mazda 3, and for some reason the automatic is a CVT where the GT is a dual clutch and the Mazda is a true 6 speed.
My biggest issue with it is that you can only get the stick in the bottom two trims (yes...or the type R...) And neither trim offers Android Auto/Apple Carplay. Also, they are selling at sticker.
.. Worked for the mk1-mk4 GTI, works for the Fit too. It may not be infinitely adjustable, but it can still be improved upon and it's simple. Add a rear swaybar and you'll never know (except when you are installing the swaybar and are looking at the rear beam)
Got a Mazda 3 hatchback 2019 this past winter. Still haven't come down from the high. Smooth ride, AWD, amazing stock speakers, luxury feeling interior. Hope to get at least 15 years with it.
Approaching 4 years of ownership on my manual 2.0 Mazda 3. I do literally everything with that car... City driving, canyon roads, track days. I could not agree more on you saying its a well rounded car, it does everything I could ever ask of it!
I owned other cars on the side, like an MX-5 and an older Boxter. You can learn to drive the Mzd3 and have fun in it, then its hard to switch to any other car in the class. With good summer and winter tires, it's even enough to fulfill my weekend car needs most of the time. So I got rid of the other cars eventually. Even if they were technically a bit more fun, the 3 was just so much more practical and calm when i wanted it to be at the same time.
Mazda advertises that car as 120hp in EU to get around some engine and insurance taxes. In reality it does between 155-165hp, I put mine and a friends on a dyno, and the guys there said thats pretty normal apperantly.
Love my 2014 Mazda 3. I first saw it in May of 2013 and I knew it was going to be my first car. I bought it later that year November. GT hatchback in red of course.
Too bad in 14 you couldn't get the 2.5l with a manual. I love my 18 optioned that way with a touring trim.
@@TheKaisarwilhelm Ya I feel ya. Having the paddle shifters is nice at least. Find myself using that a lot for downshifting during breaking or passing. Sport mode with the 2.5 keeps things pretty punchy too. I did manage to find one with black leather seats instead of white which I didn't like. In late 2013 all gt's at the dealerships where the white leather. Well almost all lol.
Was excited to watch this video until I realized it's from a few years ago. Thought it was going to be a new comparison video.
Honestly it's still pretty relevant, for what it's worth.
Ya, i realized once they showed the last gen Mazda 3. I want them to test the new Mazda 3 Hatchback!
the difference between the 18 and 19 Mazda3 is monumental. they may as well pulled out a 5 or 6 year old Mazda.
i couldn't bring myself to the 18.
I immediately purchased the 19.
@Noah McNeill it's more of a driver's car (imo) if you are putting 1500 mi/mth in it... would i take it to a track? no. are the seats more comfortable and the stereo one of the best in the market? yes.
so comfort + looks + everyday drivable without being bad... yea lukewarm hatch...np with me.
@@rebsiot you don't know a thing about driver's cars
Still very happy with my Mazda 3 after 3 years of ownership. We didn't have 2.5 version in Poland, but my 2.0 is remapped @175 HP and with manual transmission, so no complaints (less weight too) ;) NVH could be better but it's not terrible, just more noticeable at higher speeds. I also had a rental Hyundai i30 (that's Elantra GT in Europe) and it's a nice car, comfortable but quality of materials in noticeably below these in Mazda.
@Ace yes i still have it and still love it 😉
@@MirekZyzak do you have the petrol version? What did you do the get it to 175hp? Do you have the one with turbo?
@@ekman8851 no turbo, I've got naturally aspirated 2.0 petrol engine (PE series, Skyactiv-G). I remapped the ECU and results may vary, but from what I've heard and seen, usually 170-180 HP can be achieved. Keep in mind this is NA engine, so these "additional horses" are mostly in higher rev range. It can be applied to both 120HP and 165HP versions as this is basically the same engine with a different map tune.
@@MirekZyzak Alright, i got the 120hp petrol. I'll look into it, thanks!
@@ekman8851 mine was originally 120HP spec but when dynoed it spit out 151 out of factory, power curve getting flat around 4500 rpm (that's where the difference with 165HP version is, they don't have that flat high rev range).
With new ECU map it goes up until 6200 🤩
By the way - in my opinion 120 HP is better base for mods, because transmission has longer gears, which is better for cruising with higher speeds and fuel economy 👍 (that's why I chose this version)
I bought a used Mazda 3 Sgt man I love it chekl all the boxes for me sporty nice to drive beautiful kinda luxurious and tons of space the best of both worlds
Finally, some normal cars...Noice!
It’s always been normal cars. But yeah these are extra normal lol
I own a mazda 3 hatchback 2016 6 speed manual 2.5 litre, its a pepoy car, I alao own a bmw335i and a corvette, and I can honestly said that I dont miss my other two cars when driving the mazda through the canyons, curvy roads. Its a fun, well refine car. Can wait for the new mazda with the inline 6 to come out.
I honestly don't know how you can say that. I had the same car (2015) and every time I drove it the word "adequate" was the only thing that came to mind. Not a fun car (the engine doesn't like to rev and the heavy flywheel does it no favors). It was also loud (addressed with the later refresh). In no way would this car make me forget an e90 (or newer) 335i unless you have one without the sports package. You may as well drive a Buick.
@@darrell9616 You ownit and I dont but every review I sqww about that year car said it was above average in interior, handling, engine, fuel economy. Think it was the #2 rated hatchback that year
@@bellmeisterful For its class, sure. However, I found several (most) of the reviews lacking when it came to describing the car's deficiencies. It was a good car FOR ITS CLASS. The post I replied to just didn't make any sense to me especially given the other cars referenced.
I have a 2018 Elantra sport, since March 2019 and love it! I has the 7 spd DCT, couldn't find a manual but its winning me over. I have aftermarket rims with the OEM tires, which I don't like too much and Blizzak WS90's on my stock rims. It has a JUN B.L. axle-back and SXTH Element CPTL enclosed intake and those 2 mods added even more driving enjoyment! My best mileage is 40 mpg with the cruise on and going 70 mph, far above the 33 mpg rating.
I can't say enough about my car, daily driven in Chicagoland and has been rock, solid in reliability too👍👍
Klasse Act Did you downsize the aftermarket wheels to get a bit more sidewalk for those Chicago roads? The stock wheels and tires look a little pothole-susceptible
I get about 40 mpg city in the civic (2017 EX), also in the Chicagoland area. 47 mpg was my best when i drove for about 26 miles and 49.6 when I drove for 13 miles in Chicagoland suburbs
I crossshopped these three in 2018 (pre Mazda3 refresh) and I didn't want the Civic because they are selling them at sticker and without getting the Type R you can't get a stick and Android Auto/Apple Carplay compatibility. The issue with the Elantra was that the only two available with sticks within range to dealer swap were two grey ones, one regular, one sport. I ended up with the Mazda in the touring trim (when you could pick your trim with a manual) and I have 0 regrets. Love my Mazda.
Its always so much fun to watch you guys! :) Thank you for uploading this episode to TH-cam :) I would love to see an episode where you both testdrive your very first car you got when you were young, that would be great to watch :)
The tie for me is the Civic/Mazda. I like what all the cars give. But it's a hard tie. Thanks for the Upload P&T!!!
I enjoy the dynamic between you two. Thanks for the vid.
I’d like to see this comparison with updated manual versions.
So last week I traded in my 2017 Mazda Hatch 6MT (base model) for a 2015 Acura ILX 2.4 6MT. The ILX is a bit overlooked. It’s not a hatch, but anyone looking into these cars should take a look at it. It’s around the same price and honestly it feels like a completely different class of vehicle. Btw, I really did enjoy my Mazda for over 3 years!
Hunter Manzano The ILX *is* overlooked, but isn’t it just a Civic in a suit? Note that I am not saying that as a bad thing... just more as a “know what it really is” kind of thing. Also, if I am not mistaken, it has a K series under the hood. I had a last-production-year RSX-S with a similar K engine (less torque, same power, higher compression, lower displacement, higher redline), and I found it so, so frustrating around town. It was really only when I my foot was all the way down merging onto the highway that the car really felt like it was something. What do you think about that 2.4 liter K series around town, specifically?
Right now, for somewhere in the same ballpark money, I am looking at the new Kia Forte GT manual (sedan), assuming I keep my job, when this current situation is over.
PrimusPilusVorenus I find that it’s pretty easy around town thus far. It really wants to be revved. Compared to the 2.0 in my Mazda 3 I definitely prefer it. The clutch and shifter in the ILX is leaps and bounds better than the Mazda’s. Regarding the “civic in a suit” thing I hear a lot...it’s really not. My fiancé has a 17 Civic (base sedan) and there’s no comparison when it comes to ride quality. Much smoother, and heavier feeling. Material qualities are A big step up as well. Also, the civic has a CVT. The 2016 and up ILX have an 8-speed dual clutch. It would definitely be worth it to give them on a test drive seeing as you can get a 16-17 low mile ILX for $15-$17k. Take it for a spin and you’ll feel a pretty big difference when you hop in that Kia. 6MT was only made 13-15. You might have a little trouble finding one, but proving is usually really reasonable.
Elantra N line vs GTI vs MAZDA NEEDS SOMETHING HERE
We need the return of the Mazdaspeed 3!
@@wtfchazpwnt if they could sell the base cars I'm sure we'd have one a lot sooner. In this market it has to be a speed6 though or an AWD speed3
The Si solves a lot of the hatch sports problem. Has the nicer infotainment with Apple CarPlay and android auto. Leather wrapped steering wheel, way better seats, adaptive dampers, LSD, and more power for only 2ish grand more. Only thing that stinks is it doesn’t come as a hatch. Love my 2019 Si coupe. Great video!
Bought the Hyundai Elantra GT a few days ago, still waiting for it to come in, but thanks for the review guys!
Would be interesting to see this compared to the Golf. I personally find it the best out of the batch.
There are no "lukewarm" Golf anymore in North America, they dropped the 1.8TSI and the new 1.4TSI engine has under 150hp. This downgrade makes the Golf one of the worst value in the market, it's almost like VW sabotaged the model to replace it.
The superstar is the Canadian made 2.0NA 6MT Civic LX Sedan, which comes with extremely comfortable heated seat and upgraded entertainment system. Also, NA engine is easier to drive in the city vs UK made Hatchback, mostly because of that K20C2 engine's linear powerband. Carry-on can sit on it's leg within the trunk and the Sedan cost $3k less then the equally equipped Hatch. Dynamically, LX is just as well tuned as the Si without the LSD, which isn't need for slower stuff.
Nice shots of downtown LA.
Y’all just bash the hell out of these cars... entry level hatchbacks for the middle class. Sorry we can’t afford a Porsche, Lexus, or Tesla. Smh
I'd still have the Mazda manual or auto .....I probably would buy a mx5 for weekends
Bought my 2018 Mazda 3 Touring Sedan with manual trans new and still love it. This was the last year you could get the MT in any version of the car. Glad I didn't wait. I would have had to pay $10K more to get the MT now (only available in top-of-line hatch now). Only complaint is the front cup holder location. It's a little uncomfortable shifting with a plastic straw poking your arm, so I stick with cans as much as possible.
It's great to see some manuals in reviews, it seems like compared to 10 years ago car reviewers nobody shows manuals anymore, especially in comparisons
Damn Mazda for deciding a Speed3 is not a viable option with their current business model. That decision made me get a FoST in 2017 and I drove Mazda 3’s since 2006, had a ‘12 Speed3.
Jon K Don’t worry Jon, apparently Toyota has a GR edition Corolla coming for you.
May I ask why you did not use the Elantra GT Sport with the 1.6 Turbo engine? I bought it new for 24K as a second car and daily driver to my Porsche 981 GTS. The seats have even red piping and stitching - a 5K option a Porsche. I think the Elantra GT Sport is by far the best value and delivers in every situation.....
great, now do the same exact review but with 2020 models!
Like that you are starting to post theese on TH-cam, i have Amazon Prime, but i cant get the Episodes in Denmark (Northern Europe) i can only see the trailers, also Vimeo does not work (at least for me) - so thanks for uploading theese! :=)
I owned a 00 Mazda Protege ES with a five speed a while back they were city cars they were geared really tight “think Miata” so in the city the car was a blast to drive in the city. On back roads where your top speed was 60 MPH it was a blast. I LOVE. Mazda but I’m a bit disappointed with the newer models because of the lack of the ability to buy the sedan with a manual gearbox.
Sheesh! Just put the specs like HP and weight out there in the beginning for
CONTEXT so we don't have to guess the entire time until you mention them
randomly throughout the video (or not). You didn't even mention the HP of the 2.5L
Mazda that you were actually driving while talking about it, but instead gave HP for
1.5L that you were not driving! Just put up a graphic or something, it's so annoying.
This was made for television so it makes some sense how it's not there. But agreed, would make it nicer.
To be far, I just looked it up, and did not find doing so to be particularly arduous.
Mazda reportedly coming out with a turbocharged version of the 3.
It'll have the same 2.5 liter turbo engine used in the cx5, cx9, and mazda6
Hope they do and I hope they make it available on the awd trim too.
I'd be tempted to pick one up if they do.
Thank you! You’re called the everyday driver after it ;) but...how can you not even mention MPG at all???
The Civic to me is over designed. Tone it down a little and it would be better looking. I'll give it to Paul on the seats. More support would be greatly appreciated.
I love my 2020 Civic hatch... the seats are very comfortable!
I have to disagree, man. As I said in an above comment, I spent several days in a 2019 Civic, and the seats were some of the worst I've endured. For a modern vehicle, anyway; my '85 Mercury Topaz was worse...
Brenton Welty I also agree , just bought a 20 model hatch sport touring , seats are great 👍 maybe they are better on the touring because of the leather and 8 way power adjustment
One thing that's getting me in Civic is the lack of a normal hand brake.
They all have electronic emergency brakes...
Streets were so empty for DTLA standards, I thought this was filmed during the shutdown.
Contra we filmed at like 3am to sun up. Pretty interesting watching the city come to life s we filmed.
May be I`m a bit crazy, but based on my personal experience, daily driving a NA miata in a place that snow is totally fine.
Dont know if Ive ever seen a car review video where the year make of the car(s) isnt anywhere to be seen or found.
Can't wait. Ngl, the Elantra GT is a very pretty car. I think Honda's entire styling department needs to be gutted. If the Mazda is still throttled by that damn super sipper motor, it's a non-option.
still having trouble replacing my 15' Mazda 3
maybe doesnt have to!
I'd hope reliability was on your list when you bought it. Keep going. 200,000 at least.
Sorry but the GTI costs way more than any of these cars. I got the Civic Hatch sport as my commuter and it works perfect. Not to mention the fact that Honda's resale value is excellent just in case you want to sell/trade-in for a better car in the future.
Why did you test the 2018 mazda3? Is this older footage reused or is the goal to give advice for buying lightly used?
They are repurposing their TV episode content for TH-cam, and I like it. I am more likely to watch on this platform.
Agree with this guy ☝
Edit: watchin on phone while on treadmill. 👌
10:24 great driving
I'm a Mazda fan (with the exception of the CX-9). I've owned several Mazdas over the years ranging from an AWD Minivan to a rotary powered sports car. And based on the comments I'd have to agree that the Mazda3 may be the best value among the three hatchbacks considered here.
So my question is why the sales of the current generation Mazda3 are so abysmal. Total sales for the Mazda3 in 2019 barely topped 50,000 units in the US, down 21% compared to 2018. For 2020 sales will undoubtedly be MUCH worse.
And please don't tell me it's because Mazda has turned away from Zoom Zoom Mazdaspeed models. Mazda didn't abandon Mazdaspeed vehicles because they were big sellers. Just the opposite. If adding a performance model Mazda3 increased sales by 40% (a fantasy) Mazda would still have sold fewer total units than the KIA Forte (by 25,000 units), the VW Jetta (by 30,000 units) and the Hyundai Elantra by a whopping 100,000 units. Honda CIvic and Toyota Corolla sales. Forget it. No one should expect to top sales of Civics and Corollas but something is seriously wrong if they cannot more more than 50K Mazda3's.
I happen to be a hatchback fan. But I'll hold onto my GTI, thank you. Much better performance. Greater versatility and in my experience totally reliable.
Well, I can't anser the question about why they aren't selling, maybe because of a lack of advertising?
But, I am a Mazda mechanic and most of the time they only come in for service, the most common job except for servicing is rear brakepad and dics-changes, since the owners don't brake hard enough to motion the rear brakes. Every single owner I've talked to is super happy with their car aswell. So, nothing is seriously wrong with the cars
(edited for spelling correting)
Mazda3 of this generation has plenty of cabin noise and try the arm rest it is rather uncomfortable. The car also has very tight back seat room and low roof line.
Lukewarm? That's not a fair comment, first because so many people behind the wheel of a car do so many stupid things that so much regulations exist for manufacturers for volume sales. Other thing so so many people reviews vehicles and just try to find things to say and most times say their opinions on things that most people care nothing about, like complaints about volume nod in Honda vehicles, or hard plastic in place where doesn't matter, saying a two year old car is dated, or compare normal cars to luxury or sports or hyper cars, which is not relevant for most...they ignore Honda, Toyota, and others reliable, safe, peace of mind and real everyday use.
Now we just need videos likes this for all the other cars. How's the Corolla Hatch and sedan?
The lowest trim Civic Sport LX hatch vs the higher trim Elantra GT and Mazda GT Premium is an unfair comparison. At least the Sport Touring hatch has all the available Civic options as standard.
J High correct . Not only that , but a lot of refinements on the 20 model Civic .
Can u do a comparison of these models, but the sport versions.
I love the video! I do like the FK7 Civic Hatchback! Btw, what would y’all recommend for $5,000? I’m looking into a used Honda FiT. Long story short I was going to get a 2019 Mazda MX-5 ND2 but with the economy being the way it is my family is urging me to get a paid off car. Thanks y’all! P.S. I know that used cars aren’t really the way to go & I wanted to get a new car.
Don't get a first gen Fit. Second is fine and third gen is a fantastic little car.
TheKaisarwilhelm what’s wrong with the GD3? The GE8 is on the top of my list & I can’t afford a GK5 FiT unfortunately :/ thanks!
Todd & Paul, how would you say these hatches stack up against the new Toyota Corolla hatchback withe the 6 speed?
... Not todd or paul, but the new corolla hatch XSE fits right in the middle of all 3 of these cars. The backseat is cramped, the engine takes a bit to make power, the manual is decent and the tech is what you'd expect. It does have nice headlights for the price.
13:17 from my own observations, it seems like 1 out of 3 Bay Area drivers are distracted, so I can see why these assists are necessary.
Min 13:59 Hyundai vs Honda !!! 😂😂😂
Honda fans are in WAR !
"VTEC Bro!"
"Actually, this little turbo is earthdreams, and it produces less power than the Hyundai low down because..."
"Shut up! Its VTEC!"
You can't convince everyone.
Walks away.
Did he say the Civic is cheaper than the Elantra? MSRP and what they actually sell for are two different things. I cross shopped the Civic and Elantra GTS with the 1.6turbo. MSRP was just under 25K, but out the door with taxes I was at $21,5xx. All the honda dealers I visited would only budge about $750 below MSRP. With comparable features a Civic would have cost me just under 25K before tax and title.
They only mentioned the price as MSRP as optioned. I crossshopped the two and the cheapest I could get a Civic Sport manual was $23k. The Elantra doscounted the base model to $19k and the sport to $21k. Way better value. Easily I would have gone Elantra if I hadn't gone Mazda3 first.
You guys didn't even pick the same trims for all 3 cars. Seems a little unfair for the civic
The Honda looks so much better. It doesn’t look like a small mini van like all the other hatchbacks, lol.
The Honda looks like a teenager who's trying too hard
👍...Add B-spec suspension tech to these csrs and they would be fantastic on back roads. And why do manufacturers skimp on seat tech; the one place most/all driver's get their feedback. Put more thought into the seats and people will see past economy grade other stuff...how hard is it to put adjustable lumbar in a seat?
... Forgot to say I watched this one motortrend tv too...
RIP the Focus. We miss you baby. Well, not me - mine's happily sitting in the driveway. But yeah - still angry that the Orange Tantrum killed it.
My Brother-in-law has a Civic, and the seats are in fact AWFUL. We drove several days across Four States, and my butt and back were WRECKED by the end.
i hope you do more videos like this , i really like this and my choices would be the mazda , hyundai and not the honda
These kind of comparisons are what we do for our TV show, and we are excited to start bringing the old episodes to TH-cam. Glad you enjoyed - thank you for watching!
@@EverydayDriver I'll definitely check out the tv shows 👍
I’m shocked they liked the stick in the Honda. Maybe just a reflection of where manuals are in 2020? The clutch has no discernible engagement point, the gear box feels ropey and vague and the engine hangs revs like a motherfucker. I love that Honda is still offering a manual option but this is maybe the worst engine / clutch / gearbox combination I’ve driven. Also: what year was this made? That looks like the old Mazda 3...
i wish they had mentioned the revhang. That was a major turn off when test driving the Civic.
So the Mazda is the comfy, refined luxury one, the Honda is the sporty fun to drive car, and the Hyundai is in the middle and a solid reliable car...................What do you prefer?, pick accordingly.
The Mazda outruns the Honda
I hope mazda could at least give a awd manual mazda 3 option.
WHY are you reviewing the 2018 and older Mazda 3???
This video aired January 2018. Check the description
Yeah. And the new 4th gens suck. The hatch is the ugly one now...
Ah wish you compared with the higher trim of civic sport.
Gentlemen, where are your turn signals!?
On the corners of the car.
Too bad you didn’t have a Golf and a Corolla at the same time.
Id like to see The 3 vs t
Its real rival, the BMW 1, Audi 3, Golf and A class. I see It winning
What kind of review is this? You pick a Honda Sport with a manual to compete against two cars with an automatic and significantly more options. You should have compared a Sport Touring with the CVT to make it a fair comparison.
They should have worn shirts Sponsored by Huyndai...
Challenge for you guys find the best car for an car enthusiast with a family of five under 30K
oh no my lumbar!
So is this video not ready yet?
It’s ready to go, we just wanted to give it a specific release time we could mention in advance. So we’ve mentioned it on our podcast and set it for release with TH-cam’s premiere feature.
EverydayDriver so is it a live video? I don’t understand the use of the premier feature?
We are new to it as well. But it’s just a placeholder and a countdown. The video goes live at this url at noon pacific time tomorrow. We were surprised comments were already possible, but this is a 22min TV episode from our second season.
John Cardin
A “premiere” is a just a video released at a set time that we can all watch together, while also having a Live Chat.
Why are they testing the older gen Mazda3?
Cuz this vid its from 2 years ago b4 the newest hottest 2019 mazda new version
@@alekseidoncel6738 oh. thats odd that they posted it today
@@alekseidoncel6738 I would not call the new Mazda the hottest Mszda. It has a torsion beam rear suspension and only offers the stick on the hatch top trim. I get your point, however.
is not VW Golf better than all three? I highly regard Golf as the king of hatches same as 3series has been a king of sport sedans for many decades now
This helped me learn that LA commuters drive like inconsiderate jerks. Before, I had just assumed.
4:03 ok who here is old enough to know what a sony PSP is? pretty old tech reference 😆
Why you taking an old shape Mazda 3 and not the new generation to compete with other cars.
cheung man because this aired on TV two years ago.
I think the Golf GTI is still a better all around car than those 3.
comparing an iconic and one of the most reliable cars the Honda civic to those shit boxes is a disgrace
I wished they got all 3 cars with the highest trim levels
I feel like VW interiors are overrated, have never been that impressed compared to Toyotas, Hondas and Subarus
Todays "common" VW's interior is getting it fair share of crap... plastic all the way.. cheap feeling top... No longer the benchmark for interiours..
Why on earth are you comparing an old Mazda3 with a new civic? The new Mazda3 is a spaceship compared to the old one. I just think it is a bad comparison. Disclosure: I have never owned a Mazda, I have owned a Civic back in 2008. I currently do not druve a car from any of these three manufacturers.
My opinion on these cars (including the new Mazda3, I drove one last summer):
Mazda 3: a great drive, good trunk space, lota of features, quality materials and man... claustrophobic back seats (new version), comparable to the Toyota c-hr. And not much of space for legs, too.
Hyunday: a sensible, vanilla car which checks out all the boxes
Honda: great to drive, a bit noisy, cheap materials, bad seats.
From these three I would buy a Mazda 3 or if I would like my interior to be vomit free from the passengers seated in the back seat, a Hyundai.
If I would not like to make compromises I would just go for the Golf.
As noted in the description, this episode of TV is from our second season before the current. Mazda3 was even revealed. We have the new gen Mazda3 As part of Season 5. Thanks for watching.
Review a 6mt accord ‼️‼️‼️
I think they might've done so, but it may just not be on TH-cam. I am sure they have driven it, because they talk about it from time to time on their podcast.
Kdm😎
What year is that Mazda?! That isn't the redesign
2018, it's in the video description...
this mazda3 is old generation
The video aired on TV two years ago so yes, it's older...
The better generation
Civic FTW, just dont get the CVT
Who wants an LX Civic with barely any tech features?
FIESTA????
William Hummel oh I guess I didn’t realize it was exclusively brand new cars
Fiesta ST used. Or you can still find them new, the 2019 leftovers. Not too many left, but they are still there.
Why did you guys Premier an episode from 2 years ago?
We’re bringing old TV episodes to TH-cam with Saturday Premieres. Even though they were on cable a while ago and have been on Amazon Prime as well, we realize many still haven’t seen them or even know we did them. We hope everyone enjoys.
2 - 3 years late.. the channels that matter have alr covered several iterations of these updated models
Randm Acct this originally aired on TV two years ago.
Let me ask you this... Would you prefer somewhat dated (this) content, or no content?
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The Hyundai is junk , the Honda is too much for what you get. Mazda is the clear winner and anyone who actually does their homework will come to the same conclusion.
It even close, Civic all day every day. Honda lasts for ever and fast and furious baby.
You sound like a Honda fanboy, who is very biased. Hyundai has come a long way the last two decades so watch out. Also, Mazda is just as reliable IMHO but gets overlooked due to volume of sales.
I'll stick with the regular VW Golf SEL with the 6 speed manual transmission.
What city is this ?
K onliner LA
At 0:53 they say Downtown L.A.
American's: my feet are too big wahh the pedals are too close together i have big feet im american sized and big not japanese
These guys: the pedals are too far apart wahh
Skip the Civic. The exterior is hideous, the interior is below quality compared to the Elantra GT and the Mazda 3, and for some reason the automatic is a CVT where the GT is a dual clutch and the Mazda is a true 6 speed.
My biggest issue with it is that you can only get the stick in the bottom two trims (yes...or the type R...) And neither trim offers Android Auto/Apple Carplay.
Also, they are selling at sticker.
i say again, mazda no IRS is a big NO.
.. Worked for the mk1-mk4 GTI, works for the Fit too. It may not be infinitely adjustable, but it can still be improved upon and it's simple. Add a rear swaybar and you'll never know (except when you are installing the swaybar and are looking at the rear beam)
This is the 3rd generation. It has an independent rear suspension
Too bad no one else agrees with you, mazda 3 saw a major sales decline in 2019. Most auto reviewers are out of touch.
This video was shot in 2018. They are referring to last gen Mazda3.