Hyundai a Decade Ago: "We are giving away free cars, anybody interested...anybody?" Hyundai 2021: "We did not appreciate you calling us a Honda ripoff, now eat this!"
The N is WAAAY above the Si and GTI Golf in terms of everything. They should have gone with just a Veloster Turbo or Turbo Ultimate which are more on par with the Si and Golf GTI
While I agree with your statement, they were gauging the group by price. That just goes to show how good a deal is for the N compared to a type R or Golf R.
@@philcollins1305 exactly, veloster turbo competes with gti and si with much lowered price, same applies to veloster N to golf r and type r. the logic compete within same price range is just to highlight veloster N to lower tier competitions.
The Turbo would compete with the Si in performance but it's significantly less powerful than the GTI, and the N was basically created to beat the GTI, not the R.
@@TheStigHCE09 The Veloster n does compete with the Type R according to Car and driver. 0-60 in 4.8 seconds. The Veloster n DCT. www.caranddriver.com/reviews/a35031677/2021-hyundai-veloster-n-by-the-numbers/
I drive a veloster n with performance package now. I used to own a 2017 civic si. I have three friends own gti, and I drive their car pretty regularly. I have to say, in my opinion, the veloster n is the best out of these three.
I own a si 20 I considered the veloster but didn't drive it they seem nice I wanted something for a daily driver looks good but not too much attention and with 2 kids I hesitate the 3 door thing
was going to say that too. also... generally speaking, cars that are tuned at the ring are worse, not better. Well worse for the road, better for the track. The N is no exception. I have one, a 2020. I love it, but holy shit is it stiff, even with my downsized 18" winters.
@@wdnalo that’s not really my point. The suspension is way too stiff for regular shitty American roads, even in normal mode. That’s undebatable. Also, shoulda got the manual 🤷
Is the N your first car? Have you driven literally anything else? It's very stiff, idk how anyone could not see it that way. After the car is warmed up I typically tool around in N Custom with suspension in normal. It isn't undrivable. I agree, people over-exaggerate how stiff it is, but telling people it isn't a rough ride isn't fair either.
I love my N best choice I could of made. I priced out each of these cars in 2018 I ended up waiting till 2019 to get my N and now two years of ownership I can say I am beyond happy with the N.
@@phantomsession9869 that's my worry, i would love to buy an N but Ik i can beat on a honda hard and it won't break or if i do its not always expensive.
I picked the Veloster N over the Civic Type R. Better driver fit, better exhaust note, just as well handling in corners, better customization for performance. It's definitely cheaper inside but very comfortable and easy to use. Also the 2020 Type Rs are marked up to $50k and I got my 2020 VN performance pack for $28,500
@@buildmorefarms1007 Helluva deal! So far I just have a catless downpipe (Depo has them now! USA made and fast ship!) and an air intake and basically tied back and forth with the local Type R owner and still under $30k for me lol Definitely wasn't going to finance $48k for a Civic (would have got a G70 Genesis in that range for v6 twin turbo)
I hope the USDM GR Corolla is as good as the GR Yaris appears to be based on reviews. If it is, ill be very interested. If not, the Veloster N is at the top of my list.
I'd probably still get the GTI. Sure, it's maybe not quite as exciting in some ways, but it fits long torso'd individuals like myself quite well. The seats are great. It's not very attention-grabbing (I prefer the sleeper) and I just like how they drive from the daily driver standpoint. Light clutch, nice, slick shifter. Surprising amounts of low end torque for a 2L engine. VERY surprising. You can just about drive it like a diesel, which is rather nice for the daily driver situation. And that fancy limited slip when you REALLY try to find the limits, not the 7/10ths driving going on here, makes a world of difference. If you were to truly try to find the limits of adhesion around a corner in these cars, while on the throttle, you might see where a real difference has been made with the GTI. There's a reason Clarkson bought a Mk7 GTI a few years ago.
I bought a Mk7 in 2014 and it was the market leader at that time. Since then, VW has basically done nothing but pull cost out and stuff screens in. These days, Hyundai is absolutely killing it and I would buy a Veloster all day but man do I wish it had a sunroof.
From an engineering standpoint the sunroof would add weight and change the balance of the car/topheaviness...you always want the weight to be down low not up high.
The n is a civic type r competitor, think it is a more fun then the r but the r is faster... But mark up kills the r for me, not gonna pay 45k for a civic. Now 33 for a n and put 6k in it to make it faster then a civic... You betcha.
Selling my 7.5 GTI and upgrading to the N is the best move I ever made. Performance wise, fun wise, and tech wise the N blows the GTI out of the water. I’m not sure what the GTI is exactly better for. I loved it owned it for four years, Had an ECU tune but I knew I was buying the N as soon as I got in the car and put performance mode on.
You also forgot the one other thing it takes 1st place in. It is by far the most boring out of the 3 and i think the most boring out of all the hot hatches
@@MrShikfootballboring because they don't look like a 14 year old drew them while daydreaming in class? They N and SI definitely have that boy racer look but I guess that excites some people🤷♂️ the N is a sweet car tho besides the looks of the back end
Everyone says the GTI is boring but I think it looks very sharp in person. Def the best looking of the bunch. Not everyone wants an over styled monstrosity. But the Veloster does seem like the most fun.
I loved my 2010 GTI. Sold it a year after the powertrain warranty was over because I knew stuff would start failing on the engine. I did update the tensioner though, which made it an easy sell- that and the young German guy who was trying to find a 4 door with a stick.
I have a 2019 manual base gti and man, does that car have some spunk, but its an incredibly practical car. 30 mpg city but it has tons of room and some exciting torque. Its the perfect car for me. I stan GTIs.
I agree. An exhaust, intake, and a decent tune and these things are PERFECT daily drivers. I got a 17 mk7 manual with the plaid seats last year and just did a FEW things to it, and I’m never getting rid of this car. It’s literally perfect. It’s so light and tossable, and with a tune it’s an absolute monster. Just a few more tweaks and a better tune and I’ll be keeping up with my buddys scat pack charger.
@@vles007 Agree. I have a 2018 GTI SE, APR stage 1, cold air intake and AWE cat-back touring, summer tires, and along with (for me) the nicest interior of any car I have owned, and I cannot imagine a better car for the dollar.
@@tobimanx7026 absolutely? some biased fan boy spotted over here. Make yourself a favor go and drive one your self. Agree on this comparo with their driver focused the N gets it. But there's more than just that. GTI gets the crown an practicality and of course it will age way better than the other 2 hideous looking.
The tenth gen SI is definitely more of a ‘momentous car’ than its other two competitors shown here. Great commuter too. Though I own a golf 7R and do also like the similar in DNA GTI. But I’m a touch partial. I def think the Veloster N strikes a compelling balance and I’m looking forward to checking one out. I also think it’s unique enough while maintaining a level of class and marurity fit for many folks’ different strokes.
The Veloster N is in such a weird gap, it’s realistically better than the vw gti, veloster turbo 1.6t, Honda Civic si category, but it’s just not up there yet in the type r, golf r, subaru Sti, it’s in between but just under the higher category
As an owner of a 2021 MT I agree 100%. It looks good in videos but when you see it in person its a lot more aggressive and the paint really pops. The round VW body lines are not nearly as attractive and the Civic SI is a great car, but not even in the same league as the VN. I grew up on VW cars and was a big fanboi, but if you take an objective look at all 3 cars in this review, the only thing that holds the Veloster N back is the Hyundai branding. Its the best car hands down. Unreal handling and acceleration. Hyundai clearly gave this car their very best and it shows. Its 50hp above the golf and 70hp over the SI with far better handling and ride quality. If you take brand bias out of the equation its a no brainer.
I just love the way you guys mentioned the Fiesta ST in this review many times, I go way back to your Tiny Turbos, and how impressed you were about it. I have a 14 ST on a stage two Cobb tune, short shift kit, sticky Mitchell tires, it has 98,000 miles on it, I’m on my 6th set of tires, I’m 73 years young and love driving on 3 wheels. The Fiesta Flash 🤙🏼🍺🍺🍺
these were the 3 cars i tossed and turned on many sleepless nights.. i came from a 2009 toyota yaris, i wanted something fun without going full 50K+ sports car.. i chose a 2020 civic si coupe and have been pretty happy.. huge step up over my 09 yaris.. great video!
Like he said... The GTI stock isn't the most fun to drive at first and not the most powerfull too... But man when you start to mod it.... I know most people won't do it and i get it it's expensive and everything.... I own one and was a bit disapointed when i first got it then i trown some coil, swaybar, downpipe and a tune... that change the car so much... it's sad to see all those review and everybody is placing the gti last cause i feel like it deserve better... it's such a great car and once you start putting a little bit of money on it you will see all the potential it have...
@@jponz85 what I'm saying is the GTI can be at 350whp with just downpipe and tune. U can't get to 350 on the N without changing out the turbo and even when u do change it out the limit is 375. The GTI u change out the turbo your at 550+whp. The gti is in a different league in terms of tuning and mods. If ur going to keep it stock yes the N is better. But if your modding there is no competition.
@@andys6385 Yes sir. You'll eventually need a clutch with this tune though - the stocker cannot handle the extra torque. Regardless it's still a HUGE improvement and the car rips if you drive it right in order to not fry the clutch.
I have a 2020 VN (performance pack) I can’t sing it’s praises any more.. it’s amazing. It’s handling is out of this world. Do a few bolt ons and get a tune and all of a sudden it’s out of this class and into the CTR/ Golf R class.. and even stock it’s damn close!
I had a Saturn 3-door many years ago. Remember those? I loved that car. It worked flawlessly for the 7 years I owned it. It had a manual transmission and got 40 mpg -- in the 1990s! Imagine that!
I drive an 18 si and it really is disapointing, but after a flash it really wakes everything up and is just fast enough to be fun now. They really put a limit on the car from the factory.
I think that Hyundai will appeal to a larger segment of the market with the upcoming Elantra & Kona N. Especially with the eight speed dual clutch. Look forward to your review of those cars.
I think it would be a huge indictment of N if the Veloster wasn't a stand out here. Hyundai was going after the Type R and trying to undercut the price. The Turbo would be intended competitor
@@Tool0GT92 the SI isnt being sold for this model year and the 2021 N has the PP standard raising the price to 32K MSRP. Still the best deal in town hands down.
@@Tool0GT92 3 months ago isnt today or tomorrow and youd have to wait for the 2022 model year leaving only the accord sport to compete and they are both 32k while the Veloster N is lighter and still has more power and is only slightly less practical and it has the 6 speed manual standard.
The Si doesn't even compete with the N I'm sorry lol. The N is just on a whole other level when comparing against the other two. Incredible value for the money. Yea sure I'm bias bc I own one lol, but I have driven and test drove Alot of cars and this one is just a gem. Hyundai's warranty just can't be beat on top of them including Free 3yr Maintenance (oil changes, tire rotation, etc.). My other car (Srt-4 in great condition| '05\70k mi.) has been sitting Alot more now since owning the N. Which says something bc I absolutely love my Srt4.
This is what im struggling with. The N is supposed to compete with the Civic R. It probably loses that comparison but atleast that comparison makes sense. I recently bought the Forte GT and considered the Civic Si before buying. This is where I believe the Civic Should be compared.
The N is the oddball here. It fits directly between the GTI and Golf R as well as the SI and Type R. It doesn't really have any true, direct competitors. The Focus ST would have been the closest to it if they were still on sale. Price wise, the N competes more closely with what we reviewed it with.
The only problem I see with the N is the resale and longevity.. Hyundai in canada lose their value faster than almost any other brand. The N will obviously hold more value for longer.. but look at what 6v Genesis's are selling for now.. its rough
I have a MK6 GTI (owned it for 7 years) and just spend a month in a Civic SI through Turo. I think the Civic is definitely more 'darty', but the ride (both comfort and handling) is better on the GTI. Every roadtrip (longer than 1 hour) in the SI absolutely battered us. We have done 12+ hour roadtrips in the GTI and still felt comfortable after the trip.
VN wins, more fun, faster, sounds better, best performance. Keep in mind this car was 2 seconds faster around a track than the golf R with AWD and more power when throttle house tested it.
@@cayman9873 it says VN as in Veloster N. Not VW. Then again as an Australian I see VN and I think of what is arguably the worst Holden Commodore ever made.
I’ve owned a GTI, Wolfsburg Jetta, Civic Si, and many other cars… the Veloster N is the enthusiast car of the 3 in this video….. it just flat out is….. it’s fun sounding, fun to drive, track ready, and priced to compete….. N hands down …..
I agree. But then again, the N is about the same price as the Golf. They just couldn't use the civic Type R because it would be too much, so they went with the lower priced SI instead. But if you were just comparing the two, the Veloster turbo would make more sense.
I like my MK 7.5 GTI Autobahn Pure white. I think it’s fun, and is very refined and practical. I guess that would be considered “boring” to some people but it has decent cargo and can hold 4 regular sized passengers. If I were to trade in, I’d probably get a Veloster N or Elantra N one day.
Wow, they were really hating on the GTI this episode. I have a Mk6, and even compared to the Civic Si I test drove, it's buckets more fun both in straight lines and corners. I will say though, that Veloster N is definitely doing something right, I hope it breeds more competition in the hot-hatch category.
@@awesomethebunny you didn't drive a si then, the civic si doesn't come in automatic. You probably drove a civic touring or any of the civic hatch models that comes with a engine similar to the si, but very different in terms of parts.
Leaving out the whole Civic Si "automatic" malarkey (I'm not from America so I don't know anything about the Si), the GTI goes too far in being a jack of all trades, master of none. I've driven Mk7.5s like this test car and it's definitely more fun than a Golf R (I can feel the hate coming but it simply is) but when compared to cars that branch out a little towards the power and handling, it feels pretty darn dull. Apparently this new Mk8 is even worse because they've now taken out the GTI's USP of it being the best daily and made it worse with a lower quality interior and screens instead of buttons.
Agree 100% and what ever angle i see the new Mk8 Gti? i dont see any good looks its Ugly and size they make it wide and longer too. I loved my Mk7.5 Gti is the best looking Gti.
@@bonifaciomagdiwang1697 I really hate the fog lights on the mk8, looks like an after though, i really like how on my mk7 they are hidden in the little striped thingy
Just about a year left of the lease on my '19 Civic hatch and I've fallen in love with it truly. Not a manual but pop the lever down into S on the highways and zip around. The CVT isn't the greatest but I know its why I'm getting better MPG. My partner is looking to get a manual and I might put the Si on top of the list. Civics are wonderful.
I really don't understand this comparo...are we basing the comparo off of the semi sporty type of cars for the same basic price range? Other than that, they have nothing in common. The SI is a sedan, the GTI is a Hatchback, and I don't know what the heck the Hyundai is. The N Hyundai here was built to compete against the Honda Civic Type R, not the SI or the GTI. The GTI gets dinged in this video for all the reasons why people buy them. The GTI is not a master of anything, more of a Jack of all Trades. Where as the other 2 cars here just aren't. The GTI is more refined, feels like a premium car trying to compete with economy cars. It just can't. To me, these 3 cars have 3 separate type of buyers. People interested in a GTI isn't gong to look at an Si or a Hyundai N and vise versa. Of the 3 cars here, the GTI is the one car you can put 4 adults in comfortably, haul stuff like moving stuff to your storage unit, or moving furniture because your moving. The Si is good for those that yearn for an R but can't afford one, and the Hyundai N is just the odd duck here. The Hyundai suited for the person that wanted a Civic R but couldn't get one? or maybe the guy that like the Subie STI or Lancer Evo for its crazy looks and think the N will be like one of those? I am not sure🙄 All 3 cars I am sure are great cars, but if your looking for the ONE car that can do pretty much everything and you only can have ONE car?? The GTI makes the most sense in that scenario. If that is the scenario here? I would like to see the Subie STi, Golf R, Hyundai N, and Civic R all in a run...this would be a group of cars that people probably would cross shop. More similar than different and make more sense for a comparo video.
Surprised you found the Civic to have the best ride of the bunch, I would have guessed GTI all day. I had an Mk7 R with the 6 speed, and loved it. Replaced the boat anchor 19" blingy Cadiz wheels with some lightweight 18s and Pilot Super Sports, and it was great. Definitely my favorite-looking car of the bunch as well, but the Velostar would be my pick for sure for something "fun". I've driven the Focus and Fiesta ST and they're both a blast, with the smaller Fiesta being by far the best of the two. But, how is the Velostar "only a little more money" than the Civic? That sounds like the logic I'd use-- "If I wanted to save money, I wouldn't be buying a car at all". But from a consumer advice standpoint, $4k on such an inexpensive car is a lot of money-- 16% is nothing to sneeze at.
I’m shopping for a fun but economical car and is considering the FIST…in my area they are 20-23k for a one owner low miles 2018-2019 (I’m too used to having a backup camera lol) and I have other bigger cars that me and my wife share What do you think about that price though
First of all! the Civic is trash, drove one and was not impressed, the GTI is a way better car, these guys compared a base GTI against pretty much fully loaded competitors Noo! I will agree with the Veloster N and how good it is for the money and that VW has been sitting on their ass when it comes to the GTI, but the Civic is garbage. I like the previous year Civic with the K24 those were clean.
Honda for me as well. Here's why: Veloster is a new kid in the game that's a tryhard. Over time, once the excitement clears away you'll start noticing its cons. Golf is the oldest and it feels like it's aimed at people who grew up in 80's. Nothing wrong in that, but that screams viagra to me. Civic has the essence of japanese thinking. Subtle and balanced. You won't get rewarded with everything right away, you need to go deeper. Long lasting appreciation takes time and effort, but it's worth it. Oh, and gen X is the LAST generation of petrol-only powered Civic. Gen XI will be a hybrid only, just like current new Jazz. Which is why gen X are selling like hot cakes, atm.
People have done that comparison already. With the N DCT, it’s faster than a Type R around the track and still beats it on price. The Golf R isn’t even competitive.
I drove these 3 cars multiple times, researched aftermarket for both, and took cars home for the weekend to see if I would like driving them. I ended up with an Si sedan. It was overall the best car for me and what I am doing with it. It destroys curvy roads, and if you’re willing to put about a grand into it then it makes more impressive power.
Just wait into fuel is in your oil. You'll be trading your SI immediately. Go look it up. The 1.5l is a pile of shit. I have a 2020si and I have put an exhaust and a intercooler. Still weak.
@@Whileweweresinners An intercooler and exhaust will do nothing for power, I have a 2020 Si too in pearl white. The fuel in the oil stuff is overblown. Its a good daily when I want to keep the GT350 clean.
Also if you want to be happy in TRAFFIC (who cares about this when buying a manual?) there's an automatic Veloster N for 2021 with a DUAL WET CLUTCH system that is fast and smooth as butter and no manual clutch to hold down
I have the 2022 N DCT. The argument that it sucks in traffic is hilarious because the smiles per dollar you get with the N is unbeatable. It is so far above the other two cars as to be in a different realm. It is a legit track car. The warranty is not voided by track use. This is an unfair comparison to Volks and Honda.
@@Catgat37 Beautifully. I only have 2800 miles on it, as I work from home, but driving it is an absolute joy. The steering is incredibly precise. The suspension in its softest setting is like a racecar. In its hardest setting, like a go kart. The car always wants to go fast. The amount of grip you have is shocking. The NGS button is hilarious fun and all out, the DCT transmission shifts so hard it slaps you into the seat. Is the exhaust excessively loud and rumbly? Yes. Does it sound fantastic? Also yes. Is it as fast as a corvette or Supra? No. Is it insanely fast for having 275 horsepower. Absolutely. Can it out corner damn near any muscle car? Yup. Comically so. Am I happy with my choice of this car? Completely.
@@risingwind8943 lol....glad to hear. Your enthusiasm makes me smile. I just bought a 21 DCT with 11k miles on it a few weeks ago. I got to drive it for a day before I found out about the recall. Just got the car back today and I keep driving it home and wondering to myself why I don't go and drive it more 🤔
9:59 you guys almost hit that minivan, eh? Looks like he had just pulled out for another car and, as soon as he got back on the road, you ran right up his butt.
I love the Velocitor and Si, but as a adult professional, they are just a little to teen racer for me. I love the subdued look of the GTI, and the HUUUUUGE aftermarket that can turn it into a very unassuming monster.
That must be an odd Si. I completely disagree with his comments on clutch take up. EVERY 10th gen Civic stock I’ve driven has iconic clutch take up. Type R. LX. Si. Sport. All just smooth and linear (think E36 BMW when they were new).
I had an 08' Civic Si with the 2.0L NA engine with VTEC and 8K rpm redline. It was a fantastic car - that engine didn't have much torque, but it was special. The transmission and short-throw shifter were also great. It's sad that we'll never have cars like that again.
I thought N was for "Namyang" where the global research HQ is. The N's are going for $34K (DCT?) in my area, which is overpriced for what you get. You must buy new to get the 100k warranty (you get the balance till 60k) which is about the only thing they've got going for it. The SI is cool from an engineering perspective and the only one with a torsen style mech diff, but you'll be doing the clutch in no time and you have to buy the CTR to get a hatch :(. The VW is the practical car you buy if you have to live with it and with some simple mods to the DCT version, makes unbelievable power. It has an iron block and the largest aftermarket community. Who's leaving these things stock? This review is fishy. Do your homework.
@@joelopez5018 Umm. No. Not from just a tune. You have to go through SXTH and get the bigger intercooler. Downpipes. Bigmouth ram air. And send in the turbo to get bored out. Then tune it for that on the 93 octane tune through the piggyback hooked up to the OBD 2. Sorry I didn't mention that. I'm scatter brained man. ADD.
@@jeremyhenry3126 now I’m not saying the veloster N isn’t a good car, it’s a great car no doubt. But if you think about the civic si with amount of aftermarket support that it has, it’s absolutely no wonder why it’s a popular platform. I mean, full bolt on, IE, front pipe, down pipe, full exhaust, intercooler, clutch etc.. along with a ktuner e-tune . With about $6-7k you’re easily going to make 320-350whp on a car that weighs 2800-2900 pounds.
something interesting about the velociraptor is that the RHD models have the drivers door still bigger, so they have to make two completely different chassis for the RHD and LHD versions
It’s interesting how the Veloster N is always compared to the GTI and Si, not the R’s. It’s their top model, with Veloster Turbo and base Veloster below it. It sort of straddles the line between the middle and top model of other brands, both performance and price wise
If I had to pick one..... tough choice. Probably the civic si. But I would be modifying it a little bit. I’d rather just keep my ND Miata for fun driving and my pickup truck for work/family duty.
@@klasseact6663 Yeah. I understand what you are saying. It's just that when auto-journalists compare these cars they are more focus on price point then performance because these cars are often cross shopped and price is a huge factor. I also think Golf R and Type R would be more fair match to N in terms of performance but Type R is hard to get under 40k and Golf R is already mid 40k car. You can fetch a well optioned Veloster N for under 33k and that's usually the price of GTI with SE trim. I agree that Veloster Turbo or Elantra GT would be better performance match for Civic Si, both of those are still 3k or more cheaper than base Civic Si.
I have an si coupe because it's a really comfy daily driver with its light clutch and it comes with a sunroof. The veloster N exhaust sounds amazing and I'd definitely consider it if the entire interior wasn't hard plastic.
I had the same experience with the Veloster N. It really is an old school take on hot hatches where the goal is simply cheap speed. Performs like a $36k car, interior like a $20k car.
For the price, an SI, no doubt, especially if you're someone with not a lot of money like your average 20 year old working at a malls T-Mobile stand, you can pick up a used one that's fairly low mileage for good price. And they're really tuneable. The veloster is what I would pick if i ever had to get rid of my Fiesta ST(which I won't unless it breaks to a point where I can't fix it). The veloster seems to of done everything right, from ride, to interior, exterior, performance and sound. Everything except those gimmicky doors but if you drive alone most the time like me that doesn't matter. I appreciate GTIs but they lack personality, they're just soooo boring to me, inside and out, from the looks to the sound. I know you can get an APR tune and make them fast as hell and they have nice interiors but that's where it stops. I guess if you want a quieter, not so good sounding, subdued sporty hatch, like a 40 year old dad, that's the choice. But hey, opinions are like buttholes, we've all got one.
As a veloster owner , buy il if you like the driving dynamics , but expect cheap paint , rattling noise from literally everywhere and many visits to your local dealership
The paint is not the greatest. I've had no issues with rattles just unplug the sound generator. That thing is annoying. I've only gone to the dealer for oils changes and one battery change. No other issues for me. The N has been very reliable and I drive it hard
@@miguelfragoso7023 he probably has a 7 year old Veloster lmao. Hyundai improved so much since the first Veloster came out. I own a N and the build quality is amazing
@@hitmanhart6275 that sucks but I think you are in the minority. Paint is mediocre but you can’t expect Genesis paint on Hyundais. It’s still much better than the Honda Civic I owned. I’ve had no problem with my car driving it hard every time I get in it.
I’m biased but if you take the $4K price difference between the Si and N and put it towards mods on the Si, you end up with some comparable performance and you can make it unique But again this is probably just me trying to defend my car lol
Performance(before & after tune): 1st Veloster N 2nd GTI 3rd Civic SI Reliability: 1st Civic SI 2nd Veloster N 3rd GTI Aftermarket tuning availability: 1st GTI 2nd Civic SI 3rd Veloster N
"N" in Veloster N is not actually means Nürburgring. It actually means "Namyang" in S.Korea where Hyundai R&D their cars. However, since so many people thinks that "N" means Nürburgring I guess Hyundai just went with that.
@@TheStigHCE09 Actually it's 3. "Namyang" in S. Korea, "Nürburgring" and shape of chicane from racetracks. However, it's initial meaning was "Namyang" first, than "Nürburgring" was added soon after because they have Tech Centre to test their high performance variants there.
This video is great but I drove all three and owned the N, my dad owned the Veloster N too, there’s no other hot hatch that feels like a wooden roller coaster from the factory like the N, it has a steering ratio 14:1 which is highly competive against all cars including hypercars so for the money, you never ever loose when you buy a full on N product
![[Full Episode] The Restaurant War Thailand ศึกพ่อค้าซ่าแม่ค้าแซ่บ Episode 2 | 29 ก.ย. 67](http://i.ytimg.com/vi/r3lfLNH6Ke4/mqdefault.jpg)
Hyundai a Decade Ago: "We are giving away free cars, anybody interested...anybody?"
Hyundai 2021: "We did not appreciate you calling us a Honda ripoff, now eat this!"
Actually I would say 20 years ago for Hyundai not 10 years ago
@@vroomgc 2010 hyundai suck lol
This sums up the situation quite well.
@@Stormtrooper-oc4vn actually 2010 hyundai started to make fine cars
Still not a Honda lol
The N is WAAAY above the Si and GTI Golf in terms of everything. They should have gone with just a Veloster Turbo or Turbo Ultimate which are more on par with the Si and Golf GTI
Agreed. I was thinking this doesn't seem right the entire time I was watching this vid. Still fun to watch though!
Is more comparable with the Type R and Golf R
This. They should have used the R-Spec its a great value
Not in terms of interior,
While I agree with your statement, they were gauging the group by price. That just goes to show how good a deal is for the N compared to a type R or Golf R.
The Veloster Turbo would Compete with Si & GTI. This Veloster N is competing with Type-R & Golf R.
@@philcollins1305 exactly, veloster turbo competes with gti and si with much lowered price, same applies to veloster N to golf r and type r.
the logic compete within same price range is just to highlight veloster N to lower tier competitions.
It doesn’t in price or speed.
The Turbo would compete with the Si in performance but it's significantly less powerful than the GTI, and the N was basically created to beat the GTI, not the R.
@@TheStigHCE09 The Veloster n does compete with the Type R according to Car and driver. 0-60 in 4.8 seconds. The Veloster n DCT. www.caranddriver.com/reviews/a35031677/2021-hyundai-veloster-n-by-the-numbers/
@@frankENZC Not Type R, Golf R. And Hyundai priced the N squarely to compete with the GTI.
I drive a veloster n with performance package now. I used to own a 2017 civic si. I have three friends own gti, and I drive their car pretty regularly. I have to say, in my opinion, the veloster n is the best out of these three.
Well, duh...
Oh yea. They’re amazing.
Are you in the FB groups? We have a few
@@geraldgoodiii6993 I am in the FB group
How reliable is it though, whats usually the first thing to go on it
I own a si 20 I considered the veloster but didn't drive it they seem nice I wanted something for a daily driver looks good but not too much attention and with 2 kids I hesitate the 3 door thing
The N is a reference to the Namyang R&D center in Korea as well
was going to say that too. also... generally speaking, cars that are tuned at the ring are worse, not better. Well worse for the road, better for the track. The N is no exception. I have one, a 2020. I love it, but holy shit is it stiff, even with my downsized 18" winters.
@@wdnalo that’s not really my point. The suspension is way too stiff for regular shitty American roads, even in normal mode. That’s undebatable. Also, shoulda got the manual 🤷
@@SL4PSYM4XY I find the suspension in normal mode is just fine for any roads I've been on. The N is worlds smoother ride than my Focus RS was lol
@@SL4PSYM4XY i have one. Just put it on normal mode n ur good. Its not tht bad. Ppl over exaggerate the stiffness 🙄. Its not
Is the N your first car? Have you driven literally anything else? It's very stiff, idk how anyone could not see it that way. After the car is warmed up I typically tool around in N Custom with suspension in normal. It isn't undrivable. I agree, people over-exaggerate how stiff it is, but telling people it isn't a rough ride isn't fair either.
I love my N best choice I could of made. I priced out each of these cars in 2018 I ended up waiting till 2019 to get my N and now two years of ownership I can say I am beyond happy with the N.
Judging by your photo you got the best color to
How’s maintenance? Expensive?
@@phantomsession9869 that's my worry, i would love to buy an N but Ik i can beat on a honda hard and it won't break or if i do its not always expensive.
@@peachulemon 10 year 100k power train warranty.
do you still have it
Lol at Todd with the “Nuremberg edition.”
I picked the Veloster N over the Civic Type R. Better driver fit, better exhaust note, just as well handling in corners, better customization for performance. It's definitely cheaper inside but very comfortable and easy to use. Also the 2020 Type Rs are marked up to $50k and I got my 2020 VN performance pack for $28,500
I got mine for 28,212
@@buildmorefarms1007 Helluva deal! So far I just have a catless downpipe (Depo has them now! USA made and fast ship!) and an air intake and basically tied back and forth with the local Type R owner and still under $30k for me lol Definitely wasn't going to finance $48k for a Civic (would have got a G70 Genesis in that range for v6 twin turbo)
I can see this being the spot where the GR Yaris (or GR Corolla if the USA gets it) would be.
Funny, the GR Yaris is around $45,000 USD in other markets after conversion
@@scubarubanzaii I'm sure the other cars are quite expensive in various markets too
I hope the USDM GR Corolla is as good as the GR Yaris appears to be based on reviews. If it is, ill be very interested. If not, the Veloster N is at the top of my list.
@@R3LF13 I'm hopeful for a GR Corolla. While an AWD version would be insane, I'd be happy with a FWD.
@@R3LF13 Not a fat chance lol. It'll "DEFINITELY" lag behind the new Si and SE-R/Nismo.
Daily: GTI
Most fun: N
SI: boring.
Drove all 3 and my fave was the Hyundai but ended up with the GTI as it did everything well.
Everything wrong you mean ? Hopefully you leased it
The GTI for me has better build quality and materials in the cabin, it seems more mature and not as a raceboy car compared to the other two.
It's something you could take people out to lunch in but also have fun on a backroad, a nice medium.
The GTI is the least reliable of the 3.
@@whamou still more reliable than most cars
@@whamou says who?
Kinda bland though.
I'd probably still get the GTI. Sure, it's maybe not quite as exciting in some ways, but it fits long torso'd individuals like myself quite well. The seats are great. It's not very attention-grabbing (I prefer the sleeper) and I just like how they drive from the daily driver standpoint.
Light clutch, nice, slick shifter. Surprising amounts of low end torque for a 2L engine. VERY surprising. You can just about drive it like a diesel, which is rather nice for the daily driver situation. And that fancy limited slip when you REALLY try to find the limits, not the 7/10ths driving going on here, makes a world of difference. If you were to truly try to find the limits of adhesion around a corner in these cars, while on the throttle, you might see where a real difference has been made with the GTI.
There's a reason Clarkson bought a Mk7 GTI a few years ago.
I bought a Mk7 in 2014 and it was the market leader at that time. Since then, VW has basically done nothing but pull cost out and stuff screens in. These days, Hyundai is absolutely killing it and I would buy a Veloster all day but man do I wish it had a sunroof.
Easy. New GTI coming out next year.
People actually care about sunroofs?
@@bubbie1983 The only use my sunroof gets is for suction cup mounting my GoPro lol
I rarely use the sunroof. So I'm okay without one on the n. South Korea gets it for some reason though.
From an engineering standpoint the sunroof would add weight and change the balance of the car/topheaviness...you always want the weight to be down low not up high.
Love the review, and I agree, I would also got with the N. But the proper comparison for this review would’ve been the Veloster Turbo
Well they should be priced that way
That is exactly what I thought there is no way the n should have been in this comparison when the veloster turbo is its direct competitor
Key point: price
The n is a civic type r competitor, think it is a more fun then the r but the r is faster... But mark up kills the r for me, not gonna pay 45k for a civic. Now 33 for a n and put 6k in it to make it faster then a civic... You betcha.
@@Tycy2014 in comparison to $$$. U no understand?😁
“Now with more Nazi’s”. Lol.
In stock form, the GTI is most refined. At the same time, it has the most aftermarket/tuning potential out of the three. Best of both worlds IMO.
Selling my 7.5 GTI and upgrading to the N is the best move I ever made. Performance wise, fun wise, and tech wise the N blows the GTI out of the water. I’m not sure what the GTI is exactly better for. I loved it owned it for four years, Had an ECU tune but I knew I was buying the N as soon as I got in the car and put performance mode on.
You also forgot the one other thing it takes 1st place in. It is by far the most boring out of the 3 and i think the most boring out of all the hot hatches
@@MrShikfootballboring because they don't look like a 14 year old drew them while daydreaming in class? They N and SI definitely have that boy racer look but I guess that excites some people🤷♂️ the N is a sweet car tho besides the looks of the back end
Everyone says the GTI is boring but I think it looks very sharp in person. Def the best looking of the bunch. Not everyone wants an over styled monstrosity. But the Veloster does seem like the most fun.
I loved my 2010 GTI. Sold it a year after the powertrain warranty was over because I knew stuff would start failing on the engine. I did update the tensioner though, which made it an easy sell- that and the young German guy who was trying to find a 4 door with a stick.
It looked sharp until they released the 8th gen
It doesnt seem like the most fun, the N is far and away the most fun!
Gti is my favorite. You don’t look so much like a ricer if you don’t choose, but if you do there are limitless mods to make the car whatever you want.
I think it looks like a chick car for it to be a hot hatch. I call it the angry cute pokemon
Ford performance cars are in the graveyard...sad they discontinued the Focus ST and RS and Fiesta ST...RIP Ford.
*in US.
In the US. They are alive n well in Europe n other countries.
The plus side to that is the used market is filled with great deals of the Fiesta and Focus ST.
@@bt7482 Maybe but Im not seeing many used ones for sale.
Just totalled my SE Fiesta (not at fault rear ended). Loved that car so much I'm tempted to find an ST Fiesta or Focus (or...RS🤔).
I’m for the GTI
I think its absolutely boring. No Emotions in this car for me.
I have a 2019 manual base gti and man, does that car have some spunk, but its an incredibly practical car. 30 mpg city but it has tons of room and some exciting torque. Its the perfect car for me. I stan GTIs.
I agree. An exhaust, intake, and a decent tune and these things are PERFECT daily drivers. I got a 17 mk7 manual with the plaid seats last year and just did a FEW things to it, and I’m never getting rid of this car. It’s literally perfect. It’s so light and tossable, and with a tune it’s an absolute monster. Just a few more tweaks and a better tune and I’ll be keeping up with my buddys scat pack charger.
@@vles007 Agree. I have a 2018 GTI SE, APR stage 1, cold air intake and AWE cat-back touring, summer tires, and along with (for me) the nicest interior of any car I have owned, and I cannot imagine a better car for the dollar.
@@tobimanx7026 absolutely? some biased fan boy spotted over here. Make yourself a favor go and drive one your self. Agree on this comparo with their driver focused the N gets it. But there's more than just that. GTI gets the crown an practicality and of course it will age way better than the other 2 hideous looking.
The tenth gen SI is definitely more of a ‘momentous car’ than its other two competitors shown here. Great commuter too. Though I own a golf 7R and do also like the similar in DNA GTI. But I’m a touch partial. I def think the Veloster N strikes a compelling balance and I’m looking forward to checking one out. I also think it’s unique enough while maintaining a level of class and marurity fit for many folks’ different strokes.
I thought the Veloster N was the competitor for the Civic Type R
It is
type R is almost 10k more
It isn't. The Type R has a fairly large performance gap over the N. The Type R competes with the Focus RS, Golf R, and STi.
@@nathanbowman5940 yup and thats the target for the veloster N. Type r be selling toooooo high of a price. The dealers are the problem
The Veloster N is in such a weird gap, it’s realistically better than the vw gti, veloster turbo 1.6t, Honda Civic si category, but it’s just not up there yet in the type r, golf r, subaru Sti, it’s in between but just under the higher category
If you care at all about driving dynamics the Veloster N blows the other two out of the water. Also has the best looks by far. It's not even close.
As an owner of a 2021 MT I agree 100%. It looks good in videos but when you see it in person its a lot more aggressive and the paint really pops. The round VW body lines are not nearly as attractive and the Civic SI is a great car, but not even in the same league as the VN. I grew up on VW cars and was a big fanboi, but if you take an objective look at all 3 cars in this review, the only thing that holds the Veloster N back is the Hyundai branding. Its the best car hands down. Unreal handling and acceleration. Hyundai clearly gave this car their very best and it shows. Its 50hp above the golf and 70hp over the SI with far better handling and ride quality. If you take brand bias out of the equation its a no brainer.
I just love the way you guys mentioned the Fiesta ST in this review many times, I go way back to your Tiny Turbos, and how impressed you were about it. I have a 14 ST on a stage two Cobb tune, short shift kit, sticky Mitchell tires, it has 98,000 miles on it, I’m on my 6th set of tires, I’m 73 years young and love driving on 3 wheels. The Fiesta Flash 🤙🏼🍺🍺🍺
Glad you have a ST and enjoy it so much. Such great cars. Thanks for watching!
these were the 3 cars i tossed and turned on many sleepless nights.. i came from a 2009 toyota yaris, i wanted something fun without going full 50K+ sports car.. i chose a 2020 civic si coupe and have been pretty happy.. huge step up over my 09 yaris.. great video!
I've always liked the GTI. It is always on my shopping list when looking for a new car. Of course, other cars end up appealing to me more...
Like he said... The GTI stock isn't the most fun to drive at first and not the most powerfull too... But man when you start to mod it.... I know most people won't do it and i get it it's expensive and everything.... I own one and was a bit disapointed when i first got it then i trown some coil, swaybar, downpipe and a tune... that change the car so much... it's sad to see all those review and everybody is placing the gti last cause i feel like it deserve better... it's such a great car and once you start putting a little bit of money on it you will see all the potential it have...
@@VAGHUNTR you can say the same shit to the other cars dude. FBO and tune on any of these cars will make it much faster.
@@jponz85 no! The gti u can mod to the moon! The other 2 stop right around 300hp once u start modding
@@wavy518 that statement makes no sense at all. The N alone can make 300+ with simple bolt ons.
@@jponz85 what I'm saying is the GTI can be at 350whp with just downpipe and tune. U can't get to 350 on the N without changing out the turbo and even when u do change it out the limit is 375. The GTI u change out the turbo your at 550+whp. The gti is in a different league in terms of tuning and mods. If ur going to keep it stock yes the N is better. But if your modding there is no competition.
The rev hang is fixed by letting off the throttle about a half second earlier.
It's fixed with software. TSP stage 1. Completely transforms this car.
@@Idahoridge civic si ?
@@andys6385 Yes sir. You'll eventually need a clutch with this tune though - the stocker cannot handle the extra torque. Regardless it's still a HUGE improvement and the car rips if you drive it right in order to not fry the clutch.
@@Idahoridge if you don't punch it until above 3500rpms and go easy in 5th and 6th gear the stock clutch will survive.
I have a 2020 VN (performance pack)
I can’t sing it’s praises any more.. it’s amazing. It’s handling is out of this world. Do a few bolt ons and get a tune and all of a sudden it’s out of this class and into the CTR/ Golf R class.. and even stock it’s damn close!
I went with a 2020 GTI Autobahn 6MT over the Si and Veloster N.
Traded in my 2015 Autobahn MT for a 2020 SE MT last month. Absolutely LOVE the MK7-7.5
I had a Saturn 3-door many years ago. Remember those? I loved that car. It worked flawlessly for the 7 years I owned it. It had a manual transmission and got 40 mpg -- in the 1990s! Imagine that!
*Opel Astra
I've had a few! 2 sedans and one of those 3 door coupes. I was obsessed as you'll see on my channel lol.
@@Leonidae Not the Astra
Kudos to Hyundai. Impressive.
My favorite comment ever. “I was IN sport mode... that’s disappointing “. I crack up every time. 😂
I drive an 18 si and it really is disapointing, but after a flash it really wakes everything up and is just fast enough to be fun now. They really put a limit on the car from the factory.
That would be N mode or N custom... u will not pop snap and crackle in sport mode in an N product
@@PurpleDinoRhino it’s amazing how much of a change a tune makes on the gti
@@xii-dollface-iix9644 my in law has golf r turbo, down pipe and tune and is pushing close to 400, it’s ridiculous
I think that Hyundai will appeal to a larger segment of the market with the upcoming Elantra & Kona N. Especially with the eight speed dual clutch. Look forward to your review of those cars.
I agree. For me that 3 door is hard. Putting kids in and out of cars dictates purchases. I have an 07 si in my mini fleet and 4 doors makes life easy
@@kopfschuss881 Yep, own a '05 WRX hatch (owned it's twin '02 for 17 years). A practical car that is fun to drive, good recipe
Yep. I'm buying an elantra. Can't wait til it comes out
Love my GTI
I think it would be a huge indictment of N if the Veloster wasn't a stand out here. Hyundai was going after the Type R and trying to undercut the price. The Turbo would be intended competitor
I agree. I wish Hyundai & Kia would have standard LSD for the N-Line/ GT models.
An N is like $7k more than an Si.
@@Tool0GT92 the SI isnt being sold for this model year and the 2021 N has the PP standard raising the price to 32K MSRP. Still the best deal in town hands down.
@@MichaelJohnson-uo3ef up until about 3 months ago you could still find new Si's
@@Tool0GT92 3 months ago isnt today or tomorrow and youd have to wait for the 2022 model year leaving only the accord sport to compete and they are both 32k while the Veloster N is lighter and still has more power and is only slightly less practical and it has the 6 speed manual standard.
The Si doesn't even compete with the N I'm sorry lol. The N is just on a whole other level when comparing against the other two. Incredible value for the money. Yea sure I'm bias bc I own one lol, but I have driven and test drove Alot of cars and this one is just a gem. Hyundai's warranty just can't be beat on top of them including Free 3yr Maintenance (oil changes, tire rotation, etc.). My other car (Srt-4 in great condition| '05\70k mi.) has been sitting Alot more now since owning the N. Which says something bc I absolutely love my Srt4.
This is what im struggling with. The N is supposed to compete with the Civic R. It probably loses that comparison but atleast that comparison makes sense.
I recently bought the Forte GT and considered the Civic Si before buying. This is where I believe the Civic Should be compared.
The N is the oddball here. It fits directly between the GTI and Golf R as well as the SI and Type R. It doesn't really have any true, direct competitors. The Focus ST would have been the closest to it if they were still on sale. Price wise, the N competes more closely with what we reviewed it with.
The only problem I see with the N is the resale and longevity.. Hyundai in canada lose their value faster than almost any other brand. The N will obviously hold more value for longer.. but look at what 6v Genesis's are selling for now.. its rough
I have a MK6 GTI (owned it for 7 years) and just spend a month in a Civic SI through Turo. I think the Civic is definitely more 'darty', but the ride (both comfort and handling) is better on the GTI. Every roadtrip (longer than 1 hour) in the SI absolutely battered us. We have done 12+ hour roadtrips in the GTI and still felt comfortable after the trip.
VN wins, more fun, faster, sounds better, best performance. Keep in mind this car was 2 seconds faster around a track than the golf R with AWD and more power when throttle house tested it.
Vw is not faster.. you are incorrect
@@cayman9873 it says VN as in Veloster N. Not VW.
Then again as an Australian I see VN and I think of what is arguably the worst Holden Commodore ever made.
RIP Ford
I’ve owned a GTI, Wolfsburg Jetta, Civic Si, and many other cars… the Veloster N is the enthusiast car of the 3 in this video….. it just flat out is….. it’s fun sounding, fun to drive, track ready, and priced to compete….. N hands down …..
Isn't the N above the Si-tier? I mean the base Veloster Turbo is what rivals the Si
I agree. But then again, the N is about the same price as the Golf. They just couldn't use the civic Type R because it would be too much, so they went with the lower priced SI instead. But if you were just comparing the two, the Veloster turbo would make more sense.
I like my MK 7.5 GTI Autobahn Pure white. I think it’s fun, and is very refined and practical. I guess that would be considered “boring” to some people but it has decent cargo and can hold 4 regular sized passengers. If I were to trade in, I’d probably get a Veloster N or Elantra N one day.
I'll take the Civic SI and a Hondata Flashpro and have $3300 left over.
N, all day every day! Best car I've ever owned👍
Can't wait to trade in my Fusion Hybrid for an N. Had a Focus ST for three years and my God do I miss that car.
Wow, they were really hating on the GTI this episode. I have a Mk6, and even compared to the Civic Si I test drove, it's buckets more fun both in straight lines and corners. I will say though, that Veloster N is definitely doing something right, I hope it breeds more competition in the hot-hatch category.
@@layne4376 When I got my car last year, I drove a 2018 civic si automatic. Didn't really seem all that amazing to me in comparison tbh
@@awesomethebunny you didn't drive a si then, the civic si doesn't come in automatic. You probably drove a civic touring or any of the civic hatch models that comes with a engine similar to the si, but very different in terms of parts.
Leaving out the whole Civic Si "automatic" malarkey (I'm not from America so I don't know anything about the Si), the GTI goes too far in being a jack of all trades, master of none. I've driven Mk7.5s like this test car and it's definitely more fun than a Golf R (I can feel the hate coming but it simply is) but when compared to cars that branch out a little towards the power and handling, it feels pretty darn dull.
Apparently this new Mk8 is even worse because they've now taken out the GTI's USP of it being the best daily and made it worse with a lower quality interior and screens instead of buttons.
Mk7.5 is the last of the good looking GTI. Rest in Peace GTI as things will get uglier and more electric
Agree 100% and what ever angle i see the new Mk8 Gti? i dont see any good looks its Ugly and size they make it wide and longer too. I loved my Mk7.5 Gti is the best looking Gti.
@@bonifaciomagdiwang1697 I really hate the fog lights on the mk8, looks like an after though, i really like how on my mk7 they are hidden in the little striped thingy
Just about a year left of the lease on my '19 Civic hatch and I've fallen in love with it truly. Not a manual but pop the lever down into S on the highways and zip around. The CVT isn't the greatest but I know its why I'm getting better MPG. My partner is looking to get a manual and I might put the Si on top of the list. Civics are wonderful.
Nah, I will stick with my mk7 rides awesome and a few mods thing flies
Slapped an EQT tune on my 17 GTi, things now a rocket. Gotta shop aftermarket when buying cars, or forever stay stock.
*takes the top trim of the Hyundai and not the top trims of the other 2 but still praises it like it’s better* 😂😂😂
Well now it’s the only one they got...
It’s a comparison of price, u can’t put the civic type R in that group, it’s just short of 42K.
Far stretch on that "kind of" hp comparison
Lol no kidding 🤣
I really don't understand this comparo...are we basing the comparo off of the semi sporty type of cars for the same basic price range? Other than that, they have nothing in common. The SI is a sedan, the GTI is a Hatchback, and I don't know what the heck the Hyundai is. The N Hyundai here was built to compete against the Honda Civic Type R, not the SI or the GTI. The GTI gets dinged in this video for all the reasons why people buy them. The GTI is not a master of anything, more of a Jack of all Trades. Where as the other 2 cars here just aren't. The GTI is more refined, feels like a premium car trying to compete with economy cars. It just can't. To me, these 3 cars have 3 separate type of buyers. People interested in a GTI isn't gong to look at an Si or a Hyundai N and vise versa. Of the 3 cars here, the GTI is the one car you can put 4 adults in comfortably, haul stuff like moving stuff to your storage unit, or moving furniture because your moving. The Si is good for those that yearn for an R but can't afford one, and the Hyundai N is just the odd duck here. The Hyundai suited for the person that wanted a Civic R but couldn't get one? or maybe the guy that like the Subie STI or Lancer Evo for its crazy looks and think the N will be like one of those? I am not sure🙄 All 3 cars I am sure are great cars, but if your looking for the ONE car that can do pretty much everything and you only can have ONE car?? The GTI makes the most sense in that scenario. If that is the scenario here? I would like to see the Subie STi, Golf R, Hyundai N, and Civic R all in a run...this would be a group of cars that people probably would cross shop. More similar than different and make more sense for a comparo video.
Surprised you found the Civic to have the best ride of the bunch, I would have guessed GTI all day. I had an Mk7 R with the 6 speed, and loved it. Replaced the boat anchor 19" blingy Cadiz wheels with some lightweight 18s and Pilot Super Sports, and it was great. Definitely my favorite-looking car of the bunch as well, but the Velostar would be my pick for sure for something "fun". I've driven the Focus and Fiesta ST and they're both a blast, with the smaller Fiesta being by far the best of the two.
But, how is the Velostar "only a little more money" than the Civic? That sounds like the logic I'd use-- "If I wanted to save money, I wouldn't be buying a car at all". But from a consumer advice standpoint, $4k on such an inexpensive car is a lot of money-- 16% is nothing to sneeze at.
Light weight wheels can make a difference! Smart!
I’m shopping for a fun but economical car and is considering the FIST…in my area they are 20-23k for a one owner low miles 2018-2019 (I’m too used to having a backup camera lol) and I have other bigger cars that me and my wife share
What do you think about that price though
First of all! the Civic is trash, drove one and was not impressed, the GTI is a way better car, these guys compared a base GTI against pretty much fully loaded competitors Noo! I will agree with the Veloster N and how good it is for the money and that VW has been sitting on their ass when it comes to the GTI, but the Civic is garbage. I like the previous year Civic with the K24 those were clean.
Honda for me as well. Here's why:
Veloster is a new kid in the game that's a tryhard. Over time, once the excitement clears away you'll start noticing its cons. Golf is the oldest and it feels like it's aimed at people who grew up in 80's. Nothing wrong in that, but that screams viagra to me.
Civic has the essence of japanese thinking. Subtle and balanced. You won't get rewarded with everything right away, you need to go deeper. Long lasting appreciation takes time and effort, but it's worth it. Oh, and gen X is the LAST generation of petrol-only powered Civic. Gen XI will be a hybrid only, just like current new Jazz. Which is why gen X are selling like hot cakes, atm.
You probably own Honda's
Easier to like the N when its being compared to cars that arent equal to it. Compare it to the Golf R and Type R then lmk
People have done that comparison already. With the N DCT, it’s faster than a Type R around the track and still beats it on price. The Golf R isn’t even competitive.
I drove these 3 cars multiple times, researched aftermarket for both, and took cars home for the weekend to see if I would like driving them. I ended up with an Si sedan. It was overall the best car for me and what I am doing with it. It destroys curvy roads, and if you’re willing to put about a grand into it then it makes more impressive power.
Just wait into fuel is in your oil. You'll be trading your SI immediately. Go look it up. The 1.5l is a pile of shit. I have a 2020si and I have put an exhaust and a intercooler. Still weak.
@@Whileweweresinners An intercooler and exhaust will do nothing for power, I have a 2020 Si too in pearl white. The fuel in the oil stuff is overblown. Its a good daily when I want to keep the GT350 clean.
@@RCXDerp definitely as long as you change your oil in regular intervals you are fine, ive tuned my 2017 si and its pretty quick
A brand new N is over 34,000 dollars though?
Also if you want to be happy in TRAFFIC (who cares about this when buying a manual?) there's an automatic Veloster N for 2021 with a DUAL WET CLUTCH system that is fast and smooth as butter and no manual clutch to hold down
True but work from home makes it easier. Lots of companies taking a hybrid approach making manual ownership potentially easier.
Or we could not be wimps and drive a manual
I have the 2022 N DCT. The argument that it sucks in traffic is hilarious because the smiles per dollar you get with the N is unbeatable. It is so far above the other two cars as to be in a different realm. It is a legit track car. The warranty is not voided by track use. This is an unfair comparison to Volks and Honda.
How is it currently treating you?
@@Catgat37 Beautifully. I only have 2800 miles on it, as I work from home, but driving it is an absolute joy. The steering is incredibly precise. The suspension in its softest setting is like a racecar. In its hardest setting, like a go kart. The car always wants to go fast. The amount of grip you have is shocking. The NGS button is hilarious fun and all out, the DCT transmission shifts so hard it slaps you into the seat. Is the exhaust excessively loud and rumbly? Yes. Does it sound fantastic? Also yes. Is it as fast as a corvette or Supra? No. Is it insanely fast for having 275 horsepower. Absolutely. Can it out corner damn near any muscle car? Yup. Comically so. Am I happy with my choice of this car? Completely.
@@risingwind8943 lol....glad to hear. Your enthusiasm makes me smile. I just bought a 21 DCT with 11k miles on it a few weeks ago. I got to drive it for a day before I found out about the recall. Just got the car back today and I keep driving it home and wondering to myself why I don't go and drive it more 🤔
I would get the Veloster N DCT. Over the other two.
If you are an enthusiast you must choose the Veloster. Funny that’s what my car is!
12:31 what a view! ...with the Civic in the background
Make this a Civic Si vs Elantra N Line vs Forte GT comparison
I'll take the N. That thing is a beast!
GTI all day
GTI all day not even worth comparing
GTI least engaging, but best looking by far.
9:59 you guys almost hit that minivan, eh? Looks like he had just pulled out for another car and, as soon as he got back on the road, you ran right up his butt.
open road, i figure he just switched to the left lane to avoid the minivan but cut it out because of the legality of it
This is not a correct comparison. The N competes with the Type R. They should’ve used the Veloster R spec.
How? The Type R competes with the Focus RS, Golf R and STi.
I love the Velocitor and Si, but as a adult professional, they are just a little to teen racer for me. I love the subdued look of the GTI, and the HUUUUUGE aftermarket that can turn it into a very unassuming monster.
GTi also looks TEEN RACER. If you want looks like your grandpa go get a VW Passat.
Tuning out the "starting vibration reduction" in the GTI with an OBD11 makes a world of a difference... no more torque management in 1st and 2nd gear.
Unfortunately not an option in the 2019, there is no starting vibration reduction.
I own a 2019 si sedan. Still in love with it especially with a tune and bolt-ons.
I bought the Rabbit edition because it’s the most refined and puts a smile on my face. Swap the tyres and a light tune and it’s a definite sleeper
The whole video sounded like that one Tire Rack ad because they used the same music 😂
Agreed Veloster N may not be the fastest car but Wow the Fun factor makes this car really really gooooood
The GTI's versatility if you have a family cannot be overlooked. It's why I chose it.
I chose the Veloster N. I am an empty nester so my car has to fit my wife and my 'cello. Everytime I drive it I have a smile on my face.
veloster N is on a different league. It needs to be compared to the type R.
10:02 did I just witness an accident with the Veloster N
??
I did wonder how that resolved... It looked like the van pulled back off, but I can't be sure
Nothing dramatic happened there. The van did pull out but nobody was hit and tires didn't even lock up.
That must be an odd Si. I completely disagree with his comments on clutch take up. EVERY 10th gen Civic stock I’ve driven has iconic clutch take up. Type R. LX. Si. Sport. All just smooth and linear (think E36 BMW when they were new).
When you drive a lot of different cars back to back, you start developing preferences and sensitivity to differences like this.
I had an 08' Civic Si with the 2.0L NA engine with VTEC and 8K rpm redline. It was a fantastic car - that engine didn't have much torque, but it was special. The transmission and short-throw shifter were also great. It's sad that we'll never have cars like that again.
I still have mine. Everything you said is spot on.
I drove a 05 tyre r civic recently, what a drivers car, like a gokart and screamed up to the 9k mark
I thought N was for "Namyang" where the global research HQ is. The N's are going for $34K (DCT?) in my area, which is overpriced for what you get. You must buy new to get the 100k warranty (you get the balance till 60k) which is about the only thing they've got going for it. The SI is cool from an engineering perspective and the only one with a torsen style mech diff, but you'll be doing the clutch in no time and you have to buy the CTR to get a hatch :(. The VW is the practical car you buy if you have to live with it and with some simple mods to the DCT version, makes unbelievable power. It has an iron block and the largest aftermarket community. Who's leaving these things stock? This review is fishy. Do your homework.
GTI hands down. I bought it for the aftermarket support.
7:18
Get APR Plus: Basically a detuned Stage-1 flash (Golf R power) with a warranty.
Slap a tune on the Si; no more rev hang and you’re up at the same power levels as the GTi and closer to the N
A hondata E-tune and still be $4k less than either one of those with about 240-250hp at the wheels.
@@joelopez5018 Base N is 250hp. Performance pack and it's 275. Slap a tune and it's 350.
@@jeremyhenry3126 wow, 75hp from just a tune huh? Ummm no.
@@joelopez5018 Umm. No. Not from just a tune. You have to go through SXTH and get the bigger intercooler. Downpipes. Bigmouth ram air. And send in the turbo to get bored out. Then tune it for that on the 93 octane tune through the piggyback hooked up to the OBD 2. Sorry I didn't mention that. I'm scatter brained man. ADD.
@@jeremyhenry3126 now I’m not saying the veloster N isn’t a good car, it’s a great car no doubt. But if you think about the civic si with amount of aftermarket support that it has, it’s absolutely no wonder why it’s a popular platform. I mean, full bolt on, IE, front pipe, down pipe, full exhaust, intercooler, clutch etc.. along with a ktuner e-tune . With about $6-7k you’re easily going to make 320-350whp on a car that weighs 2800-2900 pounds.
something interesting about the velociraptor is that the RHD models have the drivers door still bigger, so they have to make two completely different chassis for the RHD and LHD versions
It’s interesting how the Veloster N is always compared to the GTI and Si, not the R’s. It’s their top model, with Veloster Turbo and base Veloster below it. It sort of straddles the line between the middle and top model of other brands, both performance and price wise
Its because of the price. Type R and Golf R are at least 6 grand more, Golf is like 10 grand more
Have you been to the dealer lately?
Golf R and Type R is AT LEAST $10K more than the Veloster N
And no I'm not a Hyundai fanboy I have MK7.5 GTI
How ever the N wins . Nice exhaust ,60.000 bumper to bumper ,and free oil change for 3 years , wow Love my Veloster N performance package.
Hyundai reliability has not been good... i would go honda.. and vw is even worse..
If I had to pick one..... tough choice. Probably the civic si. But I would be modifying it a little bit. I’d rather just keep my ND Miata for fun driving and my pickup truck for work/family duty.
I want an ND2!
Why didn't they pick the Veloster Turbo then?
It would be an easy win for the Civic Si
Price
@@kkmaxg8543 right but performance would've been more fair in the comparison. Kinda like how the N, Type R are matched,.the N has less.
@@klasseact6663 Yeah. I understand what you are saying. It's just that when auto-journalists compare these cars they are more focus on price point then performance because these cars are often cross shopped and price is a huge factor. I also think Golf R and Type R would be more fair match to N in terms of performance but Type R is hard to get under 40k and Golf R is already mid 40k car. You can fetch a well optioned Veloster N for under 33k and that's usually the price of GTI with SE trim. I agree that Veloster Turbo or Elantra GT would be better performance match for Civic Si, both of those are still 3k or more cheaper than base Civic Si.
@@kkmaxg8543 I love my Elantra sport and it has a JUN B.L. axle-back and SXTH Element CPLT intake and with these mods it's just about perfect😎
N gang
I have an si coupe because it's a really comfy daily driver with its light clutch and it comes with a sunroof. The veloster N exhaust sounds amazing and I'd definitely consider it if the entire interior wasn't hard plastic.
I had the same experience with the Veloster N. It really is an old school take on hot hatches where the goal is simply cheap speed. Performs like a $36k car, interior like a $20k car.
@@doctorferdinand1003 it is a 35k car now. The interior of 2021 is much better with the new bucket seats and new infotainment screen.
I heard (inter wed (-; ) that the Veloster "N" was the First letter in the name of the city that is Hyundai's headquarters.
For the price, an SI, no doubt, especially if you're someone with not a lot of money like your average 20 year old working at a malls T-Mobile stand, you can pick up a used one that's fairly low mileage for good price. And they're really tuneable.
The veloster is what I would pick if i ever had to get rid of my Fiesta ST(which I won't unless it breaks to a point where I can't fix it). The veloster seems to of done everything right, from ride, to interior, exterior, performance and sound. Everything except those gimmicky doors but if you drive alone most the time like me that doesn't matter.
I appreciate GTIs but they lack personality, they're just soooo boring to me, inside and out, from the looks to the sound. I know you can get an APR tune and make them fast as hell and they have nice interiors but that's where it stops. I guess if you want a quieter, not so good sounding, subdued sporty hatch, like a 40 year old dad, that's the choice.
But hey, opinions are like buttholes, we've all got one.
As a veloster owner , buy il if you like the driving dynamics , but expect cheap paint , rattling noise from literally everywhere and many visits to your local dealership
You have the N?
The paint is not the greatest. I've had no issues with rattles just unplug the sound generator. That thing is annoying. I've only gone to the dealer for oils changes and one battery change. No other issues for me. The N has been very reliable and I drive it hard
@@miguelfragoso7023 he probably has a 7 year old Veloster lmao. Hyundai improved so much since the first Veloster came out. I own a N and the build quality is amazing
@@frf1670 2019 , black paint. Its a good car ... but reliability wasnt there for me, sadly...
@@hitmanhart6275 that sucks but I think you are in the minority. Paint is mediocre but you can’t expect Genesis paint on Hyundais. It’s still much better than the Honda Civic I owned. I’ve had no problem with my car driving it hard every time I get in it.
I’m biased but if you take the $4K price difference between the Si and N and put it towards mods on the Si, you end up with some comparable performance and you can make it unique
But again this is probably just me trying to defend my car lol
Would've been cool to see you guys in the new DCT N! Enjoyed both of your inputs/opinions 👍
Here's a 1 year review of the DCT..
The transmissions are exploding.. stick with the manual version. Lmao
The civic only comes in manual so it’s only fair they were all manual. Plus, you know.
Performance(before & after tune):
1st Veloster N
2nd GTI
3rd Civic SI
Reliability:
1st Civic SI
2nd Veloster N
3rd GTI
Aftermarket tuning availability:
1st GTI
2nd Civic SI
3rd Veloster N
"N" in Veloster N is not actually means Nürburgring. It actually means "Namyang" in S.Korea where Hyundai R&D their cars. However, since so many people thinks that "N" means Nürburgring I guess Hyundai just went with that.
It's both.
@@TheStigHCE09 Actually it's 3. "Namyang" in S. Korea, "Nürburgring" and shape of chicane from racetracks. However, it's initial meaning was "Namyang" first, than "Nürburgring" was added soon after because they have Tech Centre to test their high performance variants there.
This video is great but I drove all three and owned the N, my dad owned the Veloster N too, there’s no other hot hatch that feels like a wooden roller coaster from the factory like the N, it has a steering ratio 14:1 which is highly competive against all cars including hypercars so for the money, you never ever loose when you buy a full on N product