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#SorcererSupreme #TheAncientOne #DoctorStrange
The Ancient One was the Sorcerer Supreme as well as the leader of the Masters of the Mystic Arts. For centuries, the Ancient One protected Earth from mystical threats, and dedicated herself to helping others in need by educating them in the magical arts to give them new hope. However, later on, she was challenged by a former student, Kaecilius, who had become corrupted by the Dark Dimension and sought to bring Dormammu to Earth. In the midst of her war against Kaecilius and his Zealots, the Ancient One encountered Doctor Strange and, despite her initial reluctance, was persuaded to accept him as her student by Karl Mordo. During one final battle, the Ancient One was fatally wounded and despite the best efforts of Doctor Strange and Christine Palmer, she accepted her fate and died, but not before giving Doctor Strange the advice he needed to defeat Dormammu as well as to find his new purpose in life as a master.
In 2023, five years after Thanos succeeded in eliminating half of the universe's population, the Avengers managed to travel back in time in order to initiate a Time Heist. After traveling to 2012, during the midst of the Battle of New York, the Ancient One was protecting the New York Sanctum, when she was met by Hulk, who demanded she relinquish possession of the Time Stone. While the Ancient One initially refused, she relented once she discovered that Strange had intentionally given Thanos the stone in an attempt to reverse the Snap, giving Hulk the Time Stone.
Do you think anyone could take on The Ancient One?
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You should do how powerful is the silver surfer from that one fantastic four movie
Within the MCU, no, there is no hero who could defeat her one on one.
@scoopsmagoo All the stones were in areas where the Ancient One, Ego, and Odin ruled. He didn't go anywhere near these places himself, did he?
@scoopsmagoo It is accurate. Thanos didn't interfere with Earth himself until Infinity War. The ancient one protects earth. He didn't kill within the 9 Realms or Odin would've done something about it as the 9 reals were under his protection. Ego really wouldn't care about Thanos as long as he wasn't killing Ego's kids.
So basically she’s in creative mode whilst everything else is in survival
Yes
I understood this reference!!
@@EwingAmaterasu i understood yours lol
It’d be so cool if she got her own movie
666LaVey666 can someone give me a TL;DR?
That moment when you realize that the Ancient One took down the Hulk even faster than Thanos did.
😱😱😱
It took 13 attacks from Thanos to defeat the Hulk, whereas it only took the Ancient One... One lmao
Now now Thanos didn't use the power stone during his fight with hulk. And Thanos was having his "fun"
@@francofranco9815 even with all his strenght, Thanos couldn't destroy Hulk with 1 punch I think.
Mister M I agree
The ancient one said that she couldn’t see the future farther than her own death , that’s why she didn’t know doctor strange have the stone to thanos .
Yeah, I said that in the video but I don’t think she was telling the truth or it was retconned
She can't see past her own death... but her death doesn't have to be in that same spot in every timeline. But perhaps she saw no way of defeating Thanos herself, only that Dr. Strange could, so she knew she had to choose the path that led to her death.
@@KeyIssues perhaps the Ancient One saw how big Doctor Stranges potential was.
@@nightowl9818 Like.. His penis?
While I know little about the comic books, when it comes to the movies though The Ancient One said "Strange is meant to be the best of us". That does not sound like someone who "knows for certain", it sounds more like someone who has "faith in a prophecy". There is a distinction between those two. So the way I see it, she likely was told a prophecy or received a prophecy that indicated Strange would become the best sorcerer supreme, but she didn't actually see it happen.
She is so bad ass they should make a whole back story movie with her in her prime
I’d love to see that! Let’s erase Capt Marvel with the Time Stone and have them make a Sorcerer Supreme movie!
Imagine the Ancient One set in Medieval times. Aaaaa
Katipunan ng Sentido Comun The EPICNESS! or even Victorian time! Would also be neat AF.
@@flolikeyou6053 now that you said that. I think your idea is even better lol.
Maybe they can film how the Ancient One became the first sorcerers Supreme.
I think what she meant when she said "Doctor Strange is meant to be the best of us" was not that he was more powerful than her. But that his ability to make the right decisions without internal or external influence. Basically his Humanity to do the right thing made him better than any other sorcerer Supreme.
Indeed, I think it's meant to show how Doctor Strange could think outside the box, way outside the box than other Sorcerer Supreme despite how accustomed and great they were at dealing with things literally outside of reality. Whilst they might've had great powers to bend things, I feel Doctor Strange is made greater cause he's more adept at coming up with solutions despite any limitations and finding loopholes rather than relying on simply power.
YES! SHe and the comic showed that she/he is tempted to use the dark arts. She had enough of preventing her death that is why she embraced death even tho she knew she will die cause she saw Dr. Strage will lead the order to a better reality.
Pretty sure strange is gonna be stronger no matter what. It’s how it’s meant to work right?
Like Thor becoming stronger than Odin, the literal all father of the nine realms
@@itzsquishy3712 no.
@@patman0250 what do you mean no? I’m pretty sure he’s inevitably going to be stronger than her no matter what. After just a few years he has a great understanding of the mystic arts imagine what he can do with a couple hundred.
She died purposely. One to show both strange n mordo that she doesn't love her life as they misunderstood and second to make strange sorcerer supreme
Correct! "Strange is meant to be the best of us."
That's what I think too. She could easily defeat them. But she chose not to. After all she lived over 1 thousand years.... it was time to pass the torch and she knew eventually strange would surpass her.
no she literally knew when she was gonna die cause she can't see beyond her death point she knew she HAD to die at that point can't just purposely die
@@laccin strange who has less mastery of the time stone saw (I think it was) millions of outcomes if you really think if she wanted to she couldn’t prevent her death you’re built different
Although, it has never been mentioned that Strange is currently the sorcerer supreme, which makes me question what they have planned for Doctor Strange 2.
she is underhyped, I think Thanos would have been spanked fast, if she was still around
@Hittem With The Slappa Whammy He would have fled in fear of getting spanked....
@Hittem With The Slappa Whammy Flat Earthers argue their side.... means little to the rest of us!
Firebrand I think it would be close as the infinity stones are the most powerful things in the universe
@@bigsplash6055 Thanos isn't the Infinity Stones. He just uses them. And the point would be that the Ancient One would have jumped on him while he was still collecting them. One on one with nothing weapons, Thanos gets turned into road kill.
Firebrand ohhhhhh. My bad. I was thinking Thanos already had them. I also think Strange could kill Thanos. Strange isn’t near as powerful as the ancient one YET. But strange knew their was only 1 possible way to win
Imagine how cool it would be if there was a What If? Episode where The Ancient One fights Thanos!!
Aonax
Lol. There wouldn’t be a fight. It would be one tap and he’s out.
@@eskanda3434 Wrong. Strange hasn't been around long enough unlike the Ancient One who's been in practice for centuries, her experience outrivals his. Her control of her surroundings is astounding. She could also just drive Thanos' astral form out and kill his physical body.
@@eskanda3434 Sorry, but I have to disagree. The ANCIENT One has hundreds of years of experience. At the time that Thanos arrived, Strange only had a couple of years. Yes, he read all the text, but his knowledge of application is a bit green.
@@eddiethompson717 but didn't he rewind time during fights? Another comment says he gained 300 years of experience fighting just by going back and retrying
@@nitrionixx I don't know that reference point, so I can't comment. But if he did that, she probably, most likely did the same.
She trained so hard that she went bald.
@Banana 831 man of culture
Like saitama
Hahaha...
@Banana 831 Xavier 🤣😂🤣🤣
@@Zrysri no
Fun fact: dr. Strange doesn't use magic to steady his hands. It is very clear in the movies following Dr. Strange, that his hands constantly tremble.
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He's realized that its a vain goal he has no need for now.
I mean, during regular hours, he doesn’t have to think about it if he doesn’t want to. His shit works when he’s casting though lol
Nope, are you blind
Even in Endgame, when he lifts his finger to Tony to basically say something like “this is the one where we win” his hand very noticeably shakes
She didn’t use the time stone to see into the future. She used the powers from the dark dimension, hence why she couldn’t see past her death.
why wouldn’t she use the time stone then? she said she spent so much time looking at this specific point (her death) but couldn’t see past it. why wouldn’t she use the time stone?
@@sean-bh4mx the bill comes due - Mordo
Then how she knew that Strange will become the greatest
@@sean-bh4mx Because the time stone shows possible futures, not definitive ones. Strange in Infinity War explains
@@Liamalaing ahhhh i forgot about that. thanks!
Thanos did wait till everyone else failed “fine I’ll do it myself”
Okie
John Cena i cant c u why u not in enggame
@@lordbendtner6404 he was getting cozy with sue storms
@@lordbendtner6404 he is in endgame you just can't see him
Doctor Strange: "Teach me!"
Ancient One: "No."
I got kick out of the door
@@honahamomoru151 0.0
@@honahamomoru151 I’m Peter Parker
@@slimslime8845 I’m Doctor Strange
@@honahamomoru151 oh we’re using our made up names
"Sometimes, one must break the rule in order to serve the greater good."
--Ancient One
She basically was the most powerful MCU character. Even if Thanos had the infinity stones, she could have countered anything he did with her magic. It's insane when you think about it. She basically can do what Thanos could with the infinity stones, with the only difference being that she was experienced with it for hundreds of years.
Yet she was killed off by a weakling. Thanos would have slapped her easily
No she can't
Sorry, no, Scarlett Witch is still the most powerful MCU character, technically speaking.
No she's not
Jeriel Baker 🤣😂😂 not even close 🤣😂 read comics and clearly you would see she not even close 🤦♂️🤦♂️🤣😂
She's basically playing Minecraft with reality while we try to survive.. Nice.
She’s a master builder
@@KeyIssues Grian 2.0
@@crowbirdryuell nah man grian is her son
@@KeyIssues the lego movie has a lot of thoughts shape reality, tapping into the mystical elements too
@@KeyIssues and a redstoner
The characters I respect the most in the MCU
Odin,
The ancient one,
Heimdall, and
Frigga
[Edited]They were the wisest conscious entities in the MCU. They had a very powerful existence.
Sad to say, but they were, and had
I'd add yondu to the mix, he is pretty powerfull honestly
@20GRIZZ20 but odian is different cus when odian died thor was still able to talk to him
@Detroit baby Odin's wife. The Queen of Asgard before she died.
@Detroit baby you're welcome.
I really love Tilda Swinton as an actress. Regardless of the criticism, I think she was a good casting for the Ancient One. I hope she returns
Criticism for what?
@@MariosPOS For whitewashing the character, the ancient one was originally a Tibetan man. But honestly I don't mind the MCU version.
TLDR: She looked into the future and saw her talk with Bruce. She then knew immediately that Stephen's plan, and his actions were successful once Cap showed up with the Time Stone right after Bruce left. She then had to make sure that conversation played out the same way so she could make sure Bruce knew the importance of bringing the stone back so that things could play out as they would normally without any interruptions. That way she could see that Strange would be a great and powerful Sorcerer Supreme and still not see past her own death.
The way I view her knowing that Strange will be a great Sorcerer Supreme, but also not being able to see past her own death has to do with the time travel in End Game. Look at it this way.
She was visited by Bruce Banner during the battle of New York. She was convinced that the future Sorcerer Supreme would give up the Time Stone in order to save the universe. As soon as Cap showed up (assuming a literal second after Banner left) she knew immediately that Strange had won. He had beaten back Thanos, and succeeded in his mission. Therefore she knew that he would do great things as the Sorcerer Supreme.
We know that she can see into the future with the stone, so she had likely seen that entire interaction played out years before, and thus researched Stephen before hand. She knew that Banner was going to come looking for the stone. She then had to play dumb in order to make Banner understand the gravity of taking the stone, so that he would make sure they were all returned at the right time, every time, so that events could play out as they should.
We know that timetravel in the mcu creates new timelines so what you say cannot be true, but we have several options of how she knew Dr. Strange:
1. She saw into many different futures, in some she survived AND Stephen became Sorcerer Supreme.
2. She lied and can actually see past here death
3. If timetravel is possible with the timestone, she traveled to the future after her death to learn what happens
4. She looked into different realities (maybe those created by timetravel)
@@Patrick-mz5ph Actually his thesis makes sense, how was Cap able to return the stones after the fact if he wasn't able to correct the timelines they altered ?
@@strykrpinoy just because the stones were returned, the timelines did not vanish/ become identical with the Main timeline. In one of these timelines gamora, thanos and his army are gone. bringing the stones back was just because they are needed in that timeline. Like Dr. Strange cannot win against Dormamu without the timestone.
Besides Cap created himself a new timeline by traveling back in time and living his life in the past. You not just travel through time, but through timelines/parallelrealities
MCU works on multiverse theory so the universe that Bruce spoke with the Ancient one is already a different universe/timeline than the Doctor Strange movie. The Doctor Strange movie being part of the "Sacred timeline".
4:40 look how Dr.strange also drops in the background...Marvel has so much details...wow
Canadian lad wants to know your location.
I know this video is about the character “ The Ancient One”, but can we give props to Tilda Swintons performance & casting as the character. 👏🏾👏🏾✨
Great video btw!
she did a great job as the ancient one. i was a little suprised that they were going to have her play the sorcerer supreme when in the comics the sorcerer supreme is a dude, however she did do a great performance 5*
She fits the part so well. She has such a "other worldly" look about her as it is nevermind her superb acting skills.
I think you put a lot of work into this video and I enjoyed the in-depth no b*s approach.
Thanks!
In the MCU, I think she's at least as powerful as Thanos while he possesses multiple Infinity Gems, because even Strange showed us that he was also near that bar (without even using the time stone in the fight on Titan). So I would even rate her up there possibly with someone like Hela in raw power (she defended Earth against Dormammu level threats, after all). I feel as if Strange might even be stronger than her though, because she was "ancient" at this point, and she knew how powerful he would become as her successor. It would have been cool to see her face off against Thanos, because I suspect she's even craftier than Strange is in a fight and may have given the Mad Titan a run for his money.
Are you Kidding? Dr Strange used the time stone to fight against Thanos lol. He saw everything possible in the future at least 14 million times and he already knew everything like how to fight ad what magics to use and how Thanos will respond. He knew everything that's why he put a good fight but no matter how he fights he never can win against Thanos and he chose the only one possible outcome.
Watch the movie with attention. Even a child can realize what what was happening
@@forjustice7201 there is no way in hell dr strange can remember everysingle action thanos was going to take
@@eldritchbeluga9277 he was a doctor man he knows every single cell of your brain 😂😂😂
@@forjustice7201 nope, Doctor Strange didin't use the Time Stone once on Infinity War (against Thanos of course)
Considering how powerful dormammu is, which completely dwarfs Thanos with all infinity stones, and that the ancient one not only defends herself but Earth and indeed our entire dimension from him... Thanos would be hard pressed indeed to defeat the ancient one.
Side note, she wasn't defeated by howeveryouspellhisname because she wasn't prepared for his ruthlessness. She clearly states she's seen it happen many times, although her not being able to see past it is debatable. I believe she let him kill her because it was the only way to forge Dr strange into the master she needed him to be.
"He was meant to be the greatest of us"
It's clear her overall life's mission was to bring about the rise of Dr Strange. That nasty business with the zealots and the sanctums being destroyed were all part of her plan from the beginning, as was her death.
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To give your life or to lay down your life for somebody else is the greatest gift anyone can give.
She's both over powered and loveable. I was so sad when she died. Great example of with great power comes great responsibility. She gave up everything to keep the world safe from Dormammu and the forces of evil. She deserves a good rest.
In theory the Ancient One could do anything Dr. Strange did in Infinity War, where he held his own against Thanos despite the latter having FOUR of the Infinity Stones.
She’s saying that he is ‘supposed to be the greatest of us’ due to a prophecy. She can see that he has the potential to be great but she’s relying on that prophecy and doesn’t know if he actually is who that prophecy is talking about or not
Incorrect. She did that crazy looking at the future outcomes thing so far back to make Strange become who he was. His 14 million outcomes was nothing compared to what she did so he can see what he did. One minor change in that movie and all of a sudden he's different become the sorcerer supreme, which means he doesn't retain the time stone. Which means he doesn't do any of the things he did in infinity war. Which means no one knows there's a 14 million to one chance. Which means thanos wins. The math is unfathomable
The main point is she saw the cape choose dr strange and no Matter how strong u are, u can’t wear the cape, the cape chose the prophecy
@@jfg1517 your genius
She couldn't see past her *own* death, meaning her own future after she died (which is nothing because dying means loss of all bodily functions). She could still see the possibilities of other people's futures like Strange.
The Ancient One is one of my top 5 fav MCU characters and I really hope we get to see more of her. Tilda Swinton was perfect for this role.
Dr. Strange really kicked ass in infinity war. I was so impressed with his fight against thanos.
And the funny thing is, he's nowhere near his full potential. He's not even Sorcerer Supreme yet and he was powerful enough by Endgame that they had to use him holding back a whole ocean to keep him out of the final fight.
@@MistaWordz
Yeah, that was a bit of a disappointment. As great as they made him in infinity war, and then to waste him in endgame. My other big disappointment with endgame was we didn't really get to see much of the new iron man armor's capabilities. They just glossed over it.
@@brussell639 they had to nerf their most powerful characters for the final battle, that is why captain marvel came in the end too and they could not let strange fight thanos cuz he would beat him EAAASILYY
@@generalkermit6421 what kind of foolishness is this? Thanos was playing around in infinity war! He literally stood in one spot and was just testing the gauntlets powers. If anything they had to nerf the infinity gauntlet in the movie because at full power with 4 stones thanos would have made light work of EVERY hero that was on Titan..
I think she's one of the most powerful characters in the MCU. One of my favorites as well. With all that knowledge about the multiverse, but still knows that she has limits and acknowledges that Doctor Strange is meant to be the best of all the Sorcerer Supremes. It makes sense Thanos waited for her to die before going on a quest for the Infinity Stones.
About her knowing Strange was going to be the best Sorcerer Supreme, it's entirely possible she got that not from looking into the future herself, but from some old legend. The fact that the Darkhold mentions the Sorcerer Supreme in reference to Wanda, her being even stronger, would seem to suggest knowledge about Stephen, or the Sorcerer Supreme of that part of that timeline, might have been circulating among sorcerers for a very long time.
yes i believe she is more likely referencing some prophecy as that is more consistent with her explanation of being unable to see past her own death.
I wouldn’t even say she underestimated kaiciliuses ruthlessness. I think she knew exactly what needed to happen and just played along like a script.
agreed she has seen up until the point of her death or just before, and she isn't the type to try and change her own fate, potentially risking the fate of her universe. so she would play along at that point.
Now i want to see how many time loop Dr Strange have to go through when "fighthing" what his face
Something crazy like 300 years or some insanely high number. That's how he was so much better at his magic by the next movie. Supposedly.
Who?
Dormamu
If Strange had to see 14 million+ outcomes to make it all work, imagine how many she had to seeto make it all work, giving the fact the she knew Strange before he knew what he would become. She even knew that she had to initially reject him to make him who he was. The exponential mathematics to make it all work is mind boggling
@@jfg1517 calculus 5 and beyond
When Thor and Dr Strange first met, Dr strange knew exactly who Thor and Loki were. He also said he kept a list of individuals that pose a threat to the world.
So, how the f*** did he not know who Thanos was in Infinity War?
Because Thanos worked in secret. Thor and Loki were well known after they came to earth. Dont think even Loki knew that chitauri army was from Thanos
@@kibe1146 Sorry for the confusion. I know Thanos worked in secret, killing half the universe is probably something you would want to keep on the low. What i mean is how come the Sorcerer Supreme protector of the Earth, reality and all seeing didn't have a clue whats so ever. Thanos has been alive way before he began his quest for the Stones. So howcome Dr Strange had never heard of him?
@@SmokeyStoner the sorcerer supreme does not monitor space
Dr Strange “Hey I’m good, but I’m not that good.”
I actually think that he knows who thanos is... i think the "who?" In the beginning of Infinity war was more of asking if he heard the name right... It's like when someone tells you something but you're unsure if you heard it right so you ask them to repeat again just to make sure...
I really like the Sorcerer Supreme (Ancient One), she is so powerful! And she's such a great teacher.
The Ancient One could not see past her death, but she can look into other times.
Maybe she saw during her life a future in which she died to Thanos, then did what Dr. Strange did, saw the one good outcome and that was the outcome of her death.
She then proceeds toe die willingly, making victory and peace to all universes and realities possible.
Long story short, she could've seen past her 'present death' with a loophole, but could not see past her 'final death', if that makes sense.
Awesome videos mate, you are very accurate, clear and direct! Mad props!
Thanos patiently wait for Ancient One to die before he attack
*And* Odin *AND* Ego.
I believe the only way to keep dormammu at Bay and to cancel out his power is to use his own power against him. That's the reason why she siphoned off power from dormammu's dimension. That and she was probably one of the few that had the ability to siphon off power without influence and without performing the ritual. She was the only reason i think dormammu hadn't destroyed that reality up to that point. After she died the only thing that protected their reality was the deal that doctor strange forced upon dormammu. She was the sacrifice to save and protect their reality. I think that sums up her intentions pretty well.
She so ancient when she whips it out, you go into a out of body experience.
I've noticed while watching the MCU that while being powerful is important, also being creative and we'll trained is even more important. I like that, it's not just who can put who in the ground but who's been training and who wants to win the most. Maybe that's why I like these movies idk 😂.
Man I love The Ancient One’s Character. Sad that she died, I was wishing to see her in the second movie.
In the comics Agatha Harkness avoided the Ancient One on purpose, while not her enemy, Agatha knew of her power, and Agatha was just short of the power of a Sorcerer Supreme. No majical purveyor in this dimension could best the Ancient One without her will. Strange's inexperience is the only reason he is ever bested where majic is concerned
Fun fact! “The Ancient One” Abbreviated is Tao which is a religion developed from Taoist philosophy and folk and Buddhist religion and concerned with obtaining long life and good fortune often by magical means. Not sure if it was intentional or not but still interesting.
“She can fold outside the mirror dimension. She can slow one moments into a thousand. She can project her astral form and others’ too. She can send your mind/ consciousness into another dimension. She siphons unlimited power from the dark dimension. She can travel through space with her sling ring.”
Infinity stones:*useless*
They could do a movie with just her and Odin 1000 years ago
There is an Avengers BC that runs along those lines, it has Odin for sure, it has a Ghost Rider and Black Panther too.
Some said this video would never be uploaded without a claim.... the legends were wrong.
I need a movie with all the gods (ancient one,Captain marvel and mostly all the good ones) vs thanos
Wouldn’t last a second, thanks would just flat out get clapped
thanos wouldnt last 2 seconds
Carol, Jean & Wanda would mop the floor with him then make grape juice from his blood…🍇
Vs galactus or some other stronger being and it would be more fair
I wish we could get movies showcasing the ancient one and odin in their prime.
Insanely powerful. 12 minutes saved
I think her firm belief of Stephen becoming better than every other sorcerer supreme, has more to do with Stephen morals, intellect and genius, and less about abilities. It has been know for centuries that the time stone can trap someone in an infinite loop, she surely knew to do it as well. But Stephen recklessness and quickness of mind make him achieve more with the sorcerer supreme's knowledge. The Ancient one had some serious flaws, she lied, overvalued her life over other's and made pretty selfish desitions on her career. But at least she was able to accept that she wasn't the best for the job. Agamotto was an almost all powerful sorcerer, he was the guardian of the Time stone and was able to contain and understand its power. Stephen had the genius to use it, and gave it away. He had the strength no other sorcerer had, to see over his mission and actually protect our reality over the stone possession.
@Snehil Shrey Yeah but that only makes him learn faster, how he uses the abilities he learn, I think that's the key
@Snehil Shrey Dr Strange does not have photographic reflexes. He learned the basic of time stone that can for the time loop, while looping the time during the bargain with Dormamu, maybe like a million time(who knows the exact time), he used the interval time to learn not all but most of sorcerer's ability to improve himself. This event grants him way more knowledge on sorcerer skill which we can see later in infinity war he can single-handed keep fighting Thanos until the last moment. He didn't lost at that moment or we call it as allowing the event to happen in order to "win" the final battle.
The Ancient On actually contradict a lot with the back story actually because she wouldn't know Dr Strange is the best sorcerer among all but knowing that she couldn't see through after her death, how can she determined that Dr. Strange is the best of all?
My speculation is she see through Dr. Strange future just like a fortune teller 🤔
@Snehil Shrey maybe I missed the part of it. Gotta watch it again
Agamotto was not the guardian of the time stone. His eye is the time stone its self. The 1rst and most powerful sorcerer ever
@@gustavoaragon4194 100 percent correct. He is also the master of dark magic. That's why the Acient Ones main job is to keep him away from the eye. If he regains the eye, he will control time itself. Time is the stitch that holds together the entire fabric of reality and the universe.
Regarding her scene in the _Endgame_ movie, I think it’s quite likely that the Ancient One already knew ahead of time that Hulk would be arriving that day to acquire the Time Stone and that Captain America would also be arriving to return it since she could see any and all future events prior to her eventual death. In either case, the part where she appeared surprised to learn that Doctor Strange had willingly given away the Time Stone, and where she expressed uncertainty about Hulk’s ability to survive and have the stones returned, was all a deliberate act. For if she had let Hulk know beforehand what the end-result of the Time Heist would ultimately be, his behavior and choice of actions later on could have then been compromised in a negative and perhaps even fatal manner. (To quote the words of the restored Doctor Strange: “If I tell you what happens, it won’t happen”).
Love the video mate and the theory of these three characters being too much for Thanos. Odin was my favourite, unlike the ancient one hated how underpowered he always seemed.
Quick question, did she ever state that she knew Strange would become the greatest sorcerer or is that just assumed?
Yes she did in Endgame
Key Issues ah cheers, yeah makes your video pretty bullet proof then :)
Awesome video! Amazing character! Are there similar videos about Ego & Odin?
Yes
I don't know why Baron and Strange overreacted when they learned she siphons energy from the dark dimension... She's literally a mystical hero who defends the innocent and protects the laws of reality and existence against those who try to abuse it. She isn't an evil witch, she isn't corrupt, and she doesn't abuse her power and knowledge. She passes it on to others and yet again protects and defends. Of course it is a shock but that's no reason to cut ties with her or immediately paint her as a traitorous villain.
I've always thought it would have been cool if she was Scáthach since she's ancient and Celtic, or if Scáthach was based on her. It would be a cool way to tie her into the real world.
She's a freaking power house. Wow!
The ancient one, my favorite MCU character.
The way Tilda Swinton speaks still reminds me when she was the fierce White Witch. Villainous role still fits for her though.
When you were speaking about the ancient ones combat styles, it reminded me of this one scene from the comics. I can’t remember which it was, I’m not a comic reader. I think it was Ghost rider fighting like a Airborne Ranger Special Forces guy, but nonetheless a human. It showed thought bubbles and the whole time he was telling himself “okay I can do this, I’ve fought people like this before, I just have to make sure I don’t get 1 single time”.
IF Thanos came to earth he would have avoided her sanctum at all costs. Keep in mind Wanda was able to straight up beat Thanos on her own and while Wanda at full power is supposedly stronger than Dr. Strange, I don't think the same can be said for the Ancient One. While Strange has his hesitancy with using certain resources which makes him "weaker", the Ancient One would use any and every resource at her disposal.
How do we know that Strange uses magic to stabilize his fingers. When he gives the time stone to Thanos in infinity war his fingers seem to tremble a bit. Wasn't the entire point of the scene with the one-handed wizard in the Doctor Strange movie that you don't need steady fingers or even hands to use magic?
He does use magic to steady his hands i assume even though it wouldnt affect his magic use its prob uncomfortable and would make his life harder there are several moment where we see his hands close up and they arnt shaking and when we do its normally after a big fight so maybe his power is weakened to where he cant afford to do it
One scene that got stuck in my mind was when in endgame hulk travelled in past to get time stone and he said "im looking for doctor strange" and acient one said "u got early 20 years
5:48 did anyone else see Asgard for a second?
Wait. Couldn't she have just time traveled with the Avengers and fight Thanos then? If Thanos could bring his whole army travelling from the past, why not the Ancient One as well?
14 million timelines with one victory, she could have altered something very dangerous if so
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Just noticed Thor is cradeling Thanos' head...
I would love a movie completely about her and how she learned her powers, including drawing from the dark dimension.
Same, Tilda is a boss. I also think it would be a cool chance for Marvel to also introduce a previous Sorcerer Supreme who hails from Asia, that way people get off Tilda's and Marvel's back, we can have Tilda Ancient One and also her supremely powerful Asian teacher. They could even have her predecessor be of Nepali origin, since in the comics he is simply from the Himalayan region, and that way also bypass the usual "Asian wise man" trope. Tilda's series could explore the lore of other hidden places like Ta Lo and even introduce K'un Lun, setting up Iron Fist, which could also cross over with a Shang Chi storyline........alright I'll stop nerding out
Wow, I never thought about Thanos waiting till the Ancient One died to pursue the Time Stone.
Can we talk about how they completely retconned the Ancient One from a little old asian man to a Celtic woman?
This version of the ancient one is better imo
I think they tried to make her appear as a non-binary but yeah, she still looks like a White Woman going through chemotherapy. I think I’m used to her now as the Ancient One.
Not only did they make that choice because Tilda Swinton is a spectacular actress, but also so the movie wouldn't be affected in other countries such as China, as explained by the Russo Brothers and Kevin Feige.
Pretty sure that was because the ancient one is supposed to be from Tibet and the Chinese don't like that.
That's why she's not Asian at all to keep that sweet China money coming in.
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The Ancient One has Ultra Instinct
I really enjoyed her presence in the MCU. I honestly wish we could have had more of her.
Honestly, she seems like such a complex and tragic character, Mysterious, and one of my favorites in all the MCU. I stan.
If the ancient one, odin and ego teamed up against thanos he would never even stood a chance
Any one of them would've spanked him pretty must instantly - If they teamed up I think he would just shit himself lol
@@jacktrussler20 Ego couldn’t even spank his own son with zero power!
@@jacktrussler20 Oh yeah she was struggling against kaicillius but would clap the Celestial AKA the mad Titan thanos 🤣 Go to bed!
@@jacktrussler20 theres probably one reason about odin ego and ancient one and all the other old characters they would have probably defeated thanos but they died so man that never happend but if that happend avengers would have one right im correct
**She is skilled in a green box**
I would love to see a fight scene between The Ancient One (Tilda Swinton) and Thanos. Even as a animation.
When you speak so slowly that 2x makes you seem like you're speaking at a normal speed.
I love this channel but if your gonna tell me that she could beat captain America, winter spiller, or BP without using magic is some straight cap (pun intended.) Just Becuz she knows an ancient martial art doesn’t mean that she could win. Especially since at least all those fighters listed are adept in many different martial arts. Not to mention the fact that they’re all enhanced physically.
The Ancient One has been practicing Martial Arts for 100s if years and is also enhanced physically
Did you see what she did to hulk????
He’s wrong about just being able to use that one power in the mirror dimension
I was under the assumption that she knew about strange in other ways. She probably can't see beyond her own death but had other ways of knowing that strange would take up her mantle. Considering her power and resources she likely had countermeasures to her countermeasures
There are some controversial things in dr. Strange's movie for sure:
Like the ancient is so powerful like just let the person die of old age or something. Having her die like that underserved her. Listening to this video cemented my repetitive thoughts toward her character. The ancient is so cool. One of the characters in the movie I wish we got more time with.
She said to Banner,"strange is supposed to be the best of us." Does she mean sorcerer's, humans, or sorcerer supremes?
My understanding of how she saw her end is through seeing Dr. Strange's future because he doesn't rise without her falling. So she couldnt see her end because her end or her fate is tied with strange's ascension. At least that makes sense to me because you need one part for the other to happen. If you follow the belief that all life is connected and one event needs to happen for the other to take place.
Thanos didn’t wait for them to die. He didn’t know where the Soul Stone was and there was no point to go get 5 and not find the last one.
Yea but why not get the 5, be unstoppable, and just wait until you realize how to get the soul stone, i guarantee he wouldnt be able to fight the Ancient One without the Mind, Soul, or Reality stones and the Mind stone is protected by vision and by extension the Ancient One, he just doesnt have the means the fight her, and Odin is just unimaginabley powerful, maybe the single most powerful mortal in existence, thanos would not beat him without some stones, which the space stone was under his protection and the power stone couldnt be wieldedwithout the gauntlet, and the means to make it wasnt possible while Odin was guarding Neidavalier so he couldnt use stones anyways, he was locked out of options until SOMEONE died
@@gravytube4099 the writers have confirmed it. If Thanos had grabbed 5 stones then everyone in the universe would have put their petty BS aside and team up to stop him from getting the 6th. That’s why he waits until he knows he can find out where it is to blitz his way through the universe and grab all of them before anyone can really organise a defense
story arc not withstanding, I didn’t like the ‘ease’ or somewhat lack of creativity that she died in combat in Doc Strange
I love how she just stands there while aliens are invading earth
It's like she has the ability of most of the stone to some extent, albeit in different dimension. And she actuallu has one of the stones, imagine her having all 6 stones.
She's like the OP character that not only has the OP equips but also played by a skilled player.
If Strange is the greatest of all time, why would Thanos wait for her death?
Because she would embrassingly mop thanos
He had the greatest potential. You have to remember it’s only been a few years since he became a sorcerer.
@@amareyk thousands, if you recall that he had to relive every possibility of endgame one by one. 14 million possible outcomes. Say every one only took a day, then that would be 14k times three years; also know as a f*** ton of time. Recall that that's the bare minimum.
@@nikolaos6083 The ancient one also had the time stone and had been sorcerer supreme for a long time.
Because strange is not the greatest yet.
'-')
Obviously
The acient one is probably powerful since she got centuries of knowledge and experience
I was thinking about the scene Beyond her death problem too. This could be easily resolved in a few ways. Someone like strange could have come back in time from the future to let her know important details. More likely she probably had access to some sort of Prophecy. She didn't have specific details on him surpassing her. As she put it he is supposed to be the best of us. That sounds vague enough to be prophecy to me.
Pretty good job. I didn't think Tilda Swinton could pull the role off when I first heard of it but I became convinced after watching Dr. Strange. To the point where I wish she hadn't died just retired.
And now after WandaVison realize that Scarlet Witch is even stronger 😳😄
Why didn't Dr. Strange just push thanos out of his astral form...?
Great question!!!
He has the soul stone, he probably could’ve gotten right back, and doctor strange had to actually touch him to do that, but in their battle it was mostly long range attacks.
@@juliangonzalez4038 but when the nearly had the gauntlet off his hand it would have been the perfect opportunity.
@@emanuelschimpfossl5919 oh snap, good point. But you gotta assume that doctor strange looked into countless outcomes, so even if he did try that trick it obviously didn’t work, if it did he would’ve used it. But he did everything in his ability to cause the outcome where they win.
@@juliangonzalez4038 yeah I know, I just never thought about it, till I saw the ancient one push hulk out of his body with just one punch ^^
Would love to have a Disney+ origin series for her character.
Bro, your voice sounds so cool.
Well technically dr.strange was shown to be the greatest sorcerer of all time in the past when they went back in time to fight Thanos cause that even took place in the past which was technically before her death which was technically in a different was a different timeline but still in her past before her death took place so technically she was telling the truth and was correct on that.
Ik this is comment is a year old but i just wanted to say that the timeline where they were fighting Thanos in end game, the ancient one was already dead. Well they went back to the past where they were all alive, but don't forget that after they took all stone "they returned to their own timeline where all the things already happened like the death of ancient one" and thanos followed them
The ancient one vs karnack
Thanos is waiting for ancient one to die..
And
Drstrange: hold my stone
Generally wish she had her own movie that would be mental
Thanos is a scared 😺. He waited till most of the powerful beings died to come up and take control.
I’m still convinced he didn’t care and that Odin,
Ego, Ancient One dying had no impact on Thanos’s plan.
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I think he would have had an issue mainly with Ego since he wanted to take over the universe? Been a while since ive watched Gotg but other than that,
If thanos would have left earlier to get the space stone and got to asguard before hela died hela would have been able to stop thanos .
yes that is true if the powerful beings are alive he would been dead
Did dr strange master all the spells of ancient one
Possibly
No. If he’s smart he will always be a student of the art.
@@KeyIssues not the power from Dark Demension like her lol.
@@KeyIssues possibly
The SFX people definitely took acid while making the magic scenes in Dr. Strange