Legendary Fight : Karate Champ Vs Muay Thai Champ

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  • เผยแพร่เมื่อ 24 พ.ย. 2016
  • Generally speaking when a karateka (karate practitioner) goes up against a muay thai fighter the karateka is usually going to be in for a long night. Though karate can definitely be effective, muay thai is just usually going to have a stylistic advantage.
    In this old school special rules kickboxing bout we see a very high level karate practitioner and legendary kickboxer Andy Hug take on muay thai champion Changphuak Kiatsongrit. These special rules appear to be more karate centric as punches to the head appear to disallowed.
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  • @himanshuchoudhary7282
    @himanshuchoudhary7282 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1211

    every time muay thai guy hits.. A new rule is introduced😂😂

    • @nishantchoudhary8540
      @nishantchoudhary8540 2 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      😂😂😂

    • @ashir9886
      @ashir9886 2 ปีที่แล้ว +12

      This is th sport not a real fight the face punch is make serious injury in both face and also the kyokushin karate guy never train to punch in face , this is the rule of that typo full contact karate

    • @gamingthisera6339
      @gamingthisera6339 2 ปีที่แล้ว +12

      @@nishantchoudhary8540 the Thai fighter is lucky the karate fighter didn't use grappling

    • @nishantchoudhary8540
      @nishantchoudhary8540 2 ปีที่แล้ว +67

      @@gamingthisera6339 and karate fighter was lucky that thai fighter didnt use elbows

    • @gamingthisera6339
      @gamingthisera6339 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      @@nishantchoudhary8540 try using elbow and knee when you're on the ground getting choke

  • @Karma7711
    @Karma7711 6 ปีที่แล้ว +2825

    what a weird fight. if he is challenging the martial art of muay thai then head strikes should be allowed otherwise he isn't fighting a muay thai style

    • @sirbrad4
      @sirbrad4 6 ปีที่แล้ว +143

      Apparently many do not know the rules of full contact karate, you can't
      punch the face but you can kick the face and punch/kick the body. Muay
      Thai fighters do not kick high usually anyway. Andy did no defend punches to the face because he knows they are not allowed.

    • @fela001
      @fela001 5 ปีที่แล้ว +81

      I believe this is one of those full contact karate competitions.. The MT guy has to fight under the rules

    • @Orkling
      @Orkling 5 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      @cloudyyo yeah

    • @MiamiViceNarc
      @MiamiViceNarc 5 ปีที่แล้ว +62

      @@sirbrad4 thanks for explaining stupid rules to us

    • @henriday4178
      @henriday4178 5 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Says who

  • @herrbesofski2075
    @herrbesofski2075 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1679

    What kind of rules is that no punches to faces but kicks?

    • @petraspetraitis7001
      @petraspetraitis7001 4 ปีที่แล้ว +70

      punches lead to devastating damage with only tape,this isnt brutal fighting,this is just a sport.

    • @SuperKellx
      @SuperKellx 4 ปีที่แล้ว +175

      @@petraspetraitis7001 a kick os alot stronger than a punch. Andy is trying to enforce Kyokushin rules wich allow kicks to the head and body but not punches. I'm not sure he would fair well if the rules were omitted for the Thai fighters head strikes

    • @dadoody
      @dadoody 4 ปีที่แล้ว +32

      Face punching is more damaging to the bare knuckle puncher than the face. Foot is a different matter, which makes these rules absolutely odd.

    • @Fly_Ry
      @Fly_Ry 4 ปีที่แล้ว +13

      ​@@petraspetraitis7001 Labas! In reality, a boxing glove gives the striker more knockout power due to the added weight and reduces the likelihood of a hand break if he hits something hard, like the top of the forehead.
      The rule was put in place for no reason other than the fact that Karate doesn't train strikes to the head with anything but kicks, while muay thai trains strikes to the head with punches, elbows, knees as well as kicks.

    • @pxrxy
      @pxrxy 4 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      @@Fly_Ry Maybe his style of Karate alone, where I train karate we are encouraged to go for the face and even below the belt.

  • @rockstar-mt6gp
    @rockstar-mt6gp 6 ปีที่แล้ว +1130

    @ 2:54 , when the referee sweeped the karate guy , lol

  • @KD-vg2yn
    @KD-vg2yn 3 ปีที่แล้ว +662

    So he can’t punch to the face, can’t throw elbows or knees to the face. And then the referee breaks up the clench? Biased af towards karate

    • @dtalg
      @dtalg 3 ปีที่แล้ว +37

      Yea it seems like theres always a bias toward muay thai. Always something isn't allowed.

    • @tander101
      @tander101 3 ปีที่แล้ว +48

      @@dtalg *Against Muay-Thai

    • @akoust1c
      @akoust1c 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Nobody said he had to fight. Not siding with anyone I’m just saying it was agreed upon before the fight. Good thing we have UFC now to make it fair and that also meant better competition overall with grappling, BJJ, and wrestling now in the mix.

    • @anonymousartist593
      @anonymousartist593 3 ปีที่แล้ว +34

      Its because the karate guy would get killed

    • @juicypears5466
      @juicypears5466 3 ปีที่แล้ว +16

      @@dtalg yeah ofc, they won’t survived 30 sec with Muay Thai rules.

  • @SheepKing0
    @SheepKing0 3 ปีที่แล้ว +607

    Throwing axe kicks then crying about a head kick lol

    • @agustinquindimil6594
      @agustinquindimil6594 3 ปีที่แล้ว +41

      Yeah man, the most dangerous kicks and cries about head kick
      Real jerk

    • @hypnoticskull6342
      @hypnoticskull6342 3 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      Dude, a head kick hurts

    • @SheepKing0
      @SheepKing0 3 ปีที่แล้ว +31

      @@hypnoticskull6342 yeah I know but guess what an axe kick hurts too. I’m talking about the principle of it. Don’t throw an axe kick in an exhibition fight if you’re not willing to take a head kick.

    • @Caminante7SSS
      @Caminante7SSS 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      U call it axe? I always called scythe or descendant kick

    • @SheepKing0
      @SheepKing0 3 ปีที่แล้ว +21

      @@Caminante7SSS I call it by its widely acknowledged name, but I’ve never heard it be called either of those

  • @mcstootschris
    @mcstootschris 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1052

    crying about getting hit in the face??????

    • @Adam-Bomber
      @Adam-Bomber 4 ปีที่แล้ว +64

      I believe the rule is no punching In the face.

    • @siegethompson3194
      @siegethompson3194 4 ปีที่แล้ว +32

      All karate competition is like that

    • @superlyger
      @superlyger 4 ปีที่แล้ว +21

      Andy hug was maybe the greatest full contact fighter ever. Beat up a young Cro Cop real good.

    • @siegethompson3194
      @siegethompson3194 4 ปีที่แล้ว +12

      @J H it has its benefits and drawbacks, just like many other styles. Kyokushin is pretty lit tho dude.

    • @kriskainalu7202
      @kriskainalu7202 4 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Yea but the karate guy hit him in the face

  • @bacon8353
    @bacon8353 4 ปีที่แล้ว +374

    2:53 yo the ref tripped the guy 😂😂

    • @joaquinflores3547
      @joaquinflores3547 4 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Yup he did

    • @Trauma09
      @Trauma09 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      bullshit what if the karate guy will fight back? hahahahhahaha

    • @ziesam
      @ziesam 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Rosu Dakusan He wont

    • @sejasrojasjuan8185
      @sejasrojasjuan8185 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Árbitro pagado le hace la cumba muertos

    • @rufus7551
      @rufus7551 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      XD

  • @rolandsalazar3134
    @rolandsalazar3134 3 ปีที่แล้ว +426

    Not saying that karate is bad, I love it but the conditioning and the power of Muay Thai is on another level compared to karate

    • @miesvaillanykyisyytta3252
      @miesvaillanykyisyytta3252 2 ปีที่แล้ว +11

      I don't know about that. I think I know what you mean but I think it's more about the fact that muay thai is more in developing countries and it attracts hardier people. Karate people appreciate longevity and health a bit more but in the older days they would bang their hands into arthritis as well.

    • @rolandsalazar3134
      @rolandsalazar3134 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Yeah that’s fair enough. I just know people that used to do karate that said that Muay Thai or any modern MMA that’s tougher than karate

    • @sebastianb.4048
      @sebastianb.4048 2 ปีที่แล้ว +11

      @@rolandsalazar3134 thats probably MCDojo, a full contact karate dojo is really brutal. Its like kickboxing but with some traditional brutal hits

    • @jasonsterling4129
      @jasonsterling4129 2 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      Depends on how the person practicing is. I've seen some Muay Thai Boxers, get put to sleep, by some very good Full Contact Karate guys. Also here, the rules were no face contact with punches. This was early 90s, so it didn't benefit the Thai Boxer. But today in other countries, they can go bare fist and elbows to the face and head, no matter what style you train.

    • @howdareyou5800
      @howdareyou5800 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@miesvaillanykyisyytta3252 nah its that karate is a self defense martial art and muay thai is a extreme combat sport with close proximity of free style or street fight.
      their motivation is different and the way to archive their different goals is different.

  • @jackspedicys2805
    @jackspedicys2805 5 ปีที่แล้ว +425

    my left ear enjoyed this :)

    • @05GITRO
      @05GITRO 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Which is the mauy tai the guy with ni shirt or that guy with karate belt

    • @adrianmorales5115
      @adrianmorales5115 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Bro the shirtless guy is a muay thai and the guy with black belt with shirt is karate

    • @05GITRO
      @05GITRO 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      @@adrianmorales5115 i know now because mauy tai uses the pose were their hands are like snake and focused on the predator

    • @josephwilson7484
      @josephwilson7484 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣SAME

    • @taipanko
      @taipanko 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

  • @thorghanudha6550
    @thorghanudha6550 4 ปีที่แล้ว +620

    Karate will always beat muay thai... as long as there are enough dumb rules protecting karate from muay thai.

    • @joaquinflores3547
      @joaquinflores3547 3 ปีที่แล้ว +20

      Sure if Andy would had fought him with less rules he would still win he was a great kickboxer, Muay Thai is not the only stand up martial art that exist you know

    • @reanactresen3700
      @reanactresen3700 3 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      @@joaquinflores3547 sure

    • @thanksrogerbut5725
      @thanksrogerbut5725 3 ปีที่แล้ว +52

      @@joaquinflores3547 but in a ring fight karate is useless ... no one mma fighter spend 10 min in karate lessons... its useless in a fight except in a game like this full of rules

    • @joaquinflores3547
      @joaquinflores3547 3 ปีที่แล้ว +9

      Thanks Roger but theres a couple that i could mention that use Karate as their main style, for example Machida and Wonder boy Thompson their Karatekas

    • @thanksrogerbut5725
      @thanksrogerbut5725 3 ปีที่แล้ว +29

      @@joaquinflores3547 sooo 1% of mma fighter ? And anyway they spend years to compensate muay thai ? As i said , on the ring, karate its useless... ring is not bruce lee movie , muay thai and bjj that its ...no karate no kung fu no jeet kun do , unfortunatly its hard to accept but all of this maetials arts are pure bullshit in the ring... this MA are for fools people that saw too much bruce lee show and they want spend some money without getting hurts

  • @ScratchbuildByTWA
    @ScratchbuildByTWA 5 ปีที่แล้ว +567

    You walk in the ring and you dont want your face punched

    • @yurandeveloper6958
      @yurandeveloper6958 4 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      J C wtf

    • @crazinkcf1840
      @crazinkcf1840 4 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      @Genoy B why are you black

    • @defaultset
      @defaultset 4 ปีที่แล้ว +14

      Kyokushin rules mate. Thai fighter knew what he was getting into.

    • @tsm36_
      @tsm36_ 4 ปีที่แล้ว +9

      It is really sad that not many people know that guy in white is a Andy Hug - a legendary fighter. Just watch his k-1 fight!

    • @rodrigomontero8258
      @rodrigomontero8258 4 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      @@tsm36_ right! For this fight they may have agreed to keep the Kyokushin rule set, but if you know who Andy Hug is, then you know he's not scared of being punched in the face. He had many gloved K1 fights too! Great matches against Hoost!

  • @itsgonzalits
    @itsgonzalits 3 ปีที่แล้ว +263

    Bro, what an embarrassment to karate. The fact that in a "FIGHT" someone gets upset when he gets punched in the face takes away most of it's authenticity.

    • @tes-cl3ru
      @tes-cl3ru 2 ปีที่แล้ว +27

      Not to mention that the Muay Thai fighter was getting kicked in the face

    • @vicentegeonix
      @vicentegeonix ปีที่แล้ว +10

      well its the rules... so the fighters need to learn how to control themselves.

    • @crusademortal3981
      @crusademortal3981 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      Maybe you should actually read about the rules and realize that your caveman muay thai fighter started to panic after getting hurt and that shows technically more even

    • @lukejones1568
      @lukejones1568 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      @@crusademortal3981how is he a caveman?? It’s a natural fighter reaction to punch someone when you’re hit by them when a punch is available, in a real fight or a kickboxing fight the karate fighter would get flattened

    • @crusademortal3981
      @crusademortal3981 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      " It’s a natural fighter reaction to punch someone when you’re hit by them when a punch is available"
      So you expect the muay thai fighter lacking boxing footwork, striking techniques, head movement to counter out of nowhere? (Muay thai lacks these elements)
      The high guard of muay thai makes the solar plexus and liver exposed to a 1-2 mawashi geri combo which is typical of a karate fighter. Not mentioning the fact that the muay thai fighter nullifed his vision due to the high guard and lost balance due to the knee checks.
      Muay thai is just a sluggish yet hard yet so vunerable martial art.
      "in a real fight or a kickboxing fight the karate fighter would get flattened"
      So you're telling me traditional karate which has judo throws, arm locks, lightning fast strikes, a wide array of takedowns and ground and pound, conditioning better than muay thai, and cement breaking power is supposed to lose to a martial art based on an ancient fighting technique which is basically a way worse form of boxing with cardboard kicks is supposed to lose to a karate fighter in real life? Are you serious? You guys even train with gloves whilst karate fighters literally do not hence the ban of head strikes with the hand in some competitive settings.
      Just because you see one karate style in particular which has no conditioning, nor head punches as custom and even controlled strikes lose to a thai boxer doesn't mean it's fair in the slightest sense.

  • @Sweet4ooth
    @Sweet4ooth 3 ปีที่แล้ว +29

    This is the equivalent of two people speaking different languages to each other

  • @Eshayzbra96
    @Eshayzbra96 3 ปีที่แล้ว +28

    Muay Thai guy was unequipped with almost half of his arsenal.

    • @weirdgrimjow5372
      @weirdgrimjow5372 ปีที่แล้ว

      Same with karate i would say. There are a lot of face hit combos taught in karate, maybe not in kyokushin

  • @musashiblade1512
    @musashiblade1512 ปีที่แล้ว +21

    To the people complaining about the rule set, this muay thai fighter agreed to the rules. If he didn't want to go by them, he didn't have to fight. Secondly, the karate guy is Andy Hug, a K1 kickboxing champion. He wasn't "afraid" of getting hit in the face, he did it all the time. It was just against the rules in this match. Don't like the rules, then don't agree to them.

    • @tomassipone98
      @tomassipone98 ปีที่แล้ว

      dont be a pussy and actually fight. or are you gonna tell a robber that he cant hit you?

    • @conexxmid63
      @conexxmid63 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      Yeah he agreed on that shity rules and still won waht a shame for karate and badass savagery for Muay Thai tnx god for internet

    • @roderik4
      @roderik4 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      They both agreed to the rules, but only one of them seemed willing to follow them.

    • @MichaelGrubbEvolvedMinistry
      @MichaelGrubbEvolvedMinistry 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@roderik4 One of them was a crybaby, the other was not. So, there's that.

  • @GianPieroAkira
    @GianPieroAkira 6 ปีที่แล้ว +266

    02:42 thai dude was like "dafuq i thought this was no hitting the face match? what is happening?" ...you can see confusion haha

    • @sailenthotcarathot8540
      @sailenthotcarathot8540 5 ปีที่แล้ว +36

      I think he's confused after getting a foot to the face lol
      So let me get this straight, you can't punch the head but you can...kick it? Of course kicking a face requires more skill than punching it but...

    • @karuma2676
      @karuma2676 5 ปีที่แล้ว +11

      @@sailenthotcarathot8540 you can easier predict a kick and defend than an punch

    • @berendv
      @berendv 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      It was not a hit with the hand but a kick with the foot

    • @Kettvnen
      @Kettvnen 4 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      It's very rare in muay thai to kick in the head, but in karate it's much more common, I think it makes sense that the muay thai guy was surprised by it.

    • @dylanwylde4093
      @dylanwylde4093 4 ปีที่แล้ว +9

      Not rare at all for head kicks in Muay Thai.

  • @Sujiceel
    @Sujiceel 4 ปีที่แล้ว +126

    2:53 Ref got mad Aikido skills lmao 😂😂

    • @AxlPaz
      @AxlPaz 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      bestcomment lmao

  • @toolazyforagoodname3105
    @toolazyforagoodname3105 4 ปีที่แล้ว +101

    0:41 they both start having a rave party

  • @Rod_Tsur
    @Rod_Tsur 5 ปีที่แล้ว +67

    2:53 the winner! hahaha

  • @dekpadtin
    @dekpadtin 6 ปีที่แล้ว +390

    This is bullsht rule. No the real fight. Rigged.

    • @Ienzo0
      @Ienzo0 4 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      yep

    • @defaultset
      @defaultset 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      No

    • @rohitchaoji
      @rohitchaoji 4 ปีที่แล้ว +15

      This is from the K-1 Karate World Cup 1993. The rules are Karate-based. The Thai fighter signed up for a karate match not a kickboxing fight.

    • @alejandrodonet4794
      @alejandrodonet4794 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      You are an real very stupid man.

    • @ketiakbusukk5925
      @ketiakbusukk5925 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@EneSacarification all the martial art are good

  • @acme-1889
    @acme-1889 4 ปีที่แล้ว +172

    The karate guy is Andy Hug, he is a K-1 legend. RIP. Respect.

    • @scootpoyo9734
      @scootpoyo9734 3 ปีที่แล้ว +23

      Bullshit. Scare to hit on the face

    • @carloleoni4843
      @carloleoni4843 3 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      @@scootpoyo9734 just check the link up here. Same fighters,face punches allowed, thai Champ got raped.
      Andy Hug is a legend period.

    • @baldheadahh1560
      @baldheadahh1560 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@carloleoni4843 wait what?

    • @conpezalester
      @conpezalester 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Karate 🥋 kyukushin 😎😎😎

    • @Idkchangethislater
      @Idkchangethislater ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Really? Can’t be serious

  • @Nickthegamingnerd
    @Nickthegamingnerd 6 ปีที่แล้ว +174

    This is Andy hug, a k1 legend, the mixup of the rules is what caused this to be somewhat of a lame fight

    • @ferguscasey5301
      @ferguscasey5301 3 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      Yes and Changpeuk kiatsongrit. A small thai man that took on some of the giants of k1

  • @hughhoney5683
    @hughhoney5683 4 ปีที่แล้ว +43

    Most fights you see like this are always ruled in favor on the opponent of the Muay Thai guy. The Thai fighter is always limited

    • @hughhoney5683
      @hughhoney5683 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Did you even watch the fight? Lol I’m dumb? They kept calling it on the Thai fighter for hurting Andy with elbows and knees.

    • @hughhoney5683
      @hughhoney5683 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Oh and he wasn’t allowed to hit in the face 😂 suuurrree

    • @weirdgrimjow5372
      @weirdgrimjow5372 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Karate also has a huge arsenal of face strikes and combos, you know right?

  • @hsinhaowang
    @hsinhaowang 5 ปีที่แล้ว +54

    The ruleset makes this rather annoying to watch. You can tell the Thai fighter keeps forgetting, and Andy keeps being caught off guard when he gets hit in the face.
    Andy really favoured the axe kick in this fight.

  • @barry3602
    @barry3602 3 ปีที่แล้ว +12

    Karate fighters can't take a beating, they don't spar like that. "“Life's not about how hard of a hit you can give... it's about how many you can take, and still keep moving forward.”

  • @vampyre1992
    @vampyre1992 4 ปีที่แล้ว +71

    2:53 when you find out the ref has a black belt too 😂

    • @winter9306
      @winter9306 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Most referees are retired fighters

    • @Sujiceel
      @Sujiceel 4 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      that round was a 2v1, Aikido and Muay Thai vs Karate 😂

    • @IDK-qi2it
      @IDK-qi2it 4 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      @@winter9306 This dude had to have been a champion. He did that with no effort at all lol

    • @Life-Sky
      @Life-Sky 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@IDK-qi2it pure muscle memory too, he obviously didn't mean to do that lol

    • @AliRaza-gw7lu
      @AliRaza-gw7lu 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      muay thai guy couldn't take the punishment and got himself DQ

  • @monkeddnizar8092
    @monkeddnizar8092 4 ปีที่แล้ว +32

    The rule are To much advantage for karate fighting style 🙄🙄
    I can feel what that thai fighter also feel about those rules😅😅

    • @Kyojuro___Rengoku
      @Kyojuro___Rengoku 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Educate yourself its gloveness fight traditional ways of fighting try out Kyokushin and Kudo KARATE for some time and have sparr with kickbox guy ...

    • @crazinkcf1840
      @crazinkcf1840 4 ปีที่แล้ว +12

      @@Kyojuro___Rengoku i refuse to take education from the average Tokyo Ghoul profile nigga

    • @startrack3898
      @startrack3898 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@Kyojuro___Rengoku ohh really?? How about you watch this link and you will find how Muay Thai is better than kick boxing😂😂th-cam.com/video/AfGCb39CHZA/w-d-xo.html

    • @Kyojuro___Rengoku
      @Kyojuro___Rengoku ปีที่แล้ว

      @@startrack3898 no matter what u say i love muay thai and respect it.

  • @goregore9647
    @goregore9647 3 ปีที่แล้ว +37

    the great anyd hug one of the greatest karateka and kickboxer of all time i trained with him back in 1993 RIP

    • @conexxmid63
      @conexxmid63 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Yeah so great that he lost to Muay Thai fighter whos not allowed to use punches,ellbows,knees adn sweeps xd what a shity rules and yet Muay Thais is crushing this lil man

  • @MrGuYlle
    @MrGuYlle 3 ปีที่แล้ว +51

    Virgin kárate: "But he hit my face"

    • @PerturaBased
      @PerturaBased 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Go fight him then

    • @MrGuYlle
      @MrGuYlle 3 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      @@PerturaBased he is literally dead

    • @robertkalvinsky2181
      @robertkalvinsky2181 3 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      ​@@PerturaBased he can fight only through youtube comments. thats about all this little nobody can do

    • @PerturaBased
      @PerturaBased 3 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      @@robertkalvinsky2181 expected of cowards like that

    • @pccitizen1647
      @pccitizen1647 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Karate us for show, fancy kick etc & of course can easily beat up untrained folks. In a real unrestricted fight with Muay Thai fighter will be painful outcome for these showmen.

  • @Mr_JustAfish
    @Mr_JustAfish 3 ปีที่แล้ว +28

    That karate guy won't survive Street fight if he can't take a punch to the head.

    • @ilikecatsanddogs7412
      @ilikecatsanddogs7412 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      He's a baby

    • @kngbaku6922
      @kngbaku6922 3 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      Bruh?? Head kicks are stronger??? ... 🤦🏾‍♂️🤦🏾‍♂️🤦🏾‍♂️

    • @Mr_JustAfish
      @Mr_JustAfish 3 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      @@kngbaku6922 of course kick to the head is more deadly bro. But it is not as easy to land like a punch. But if you're fighting noob fighter...maybe you get too

    • @HayashiCatholic
      @HayashiCatholic 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      this is not a street fight, but a sporting combat.🤦

    • @Khornebsk
      @Khornebsk 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@Mr_JustAfish oh, this is the fight of legends (both are legend, karate guy is Andy Hug - legend of kyokushin and kickboxing, Muay Thai is Changpuek Kiatsongrit), this is a fight . You should learn more for your limited knowledge, boy

  • @jacobsnyder552
    @jacobsnyder552 2 ปีที่แล้ว +31

    For those that think this fight was rigged against the muay Thai fighter keep in mind that the karate guy is Andi Hug (RIP) a world class fighter. Limiting punches to the face cuts his arsenal in half as well.

    • @FreeFirelover017
      @FreeFirelover017 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      He's trained for that dude

    • @FreeFirelover017
      @FreeFirelover017 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Was*

    • @Khornebsk
      @Khornebsk 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      @@FreeFirelover017 Changpuek Kiatsongrit was trained for low kick, he could use low kick too. Both were nerfed in this fight, not only Muay Thai Fighter

    • @user-sg2pc2pc3g
      @user-sg2pc2pc3g 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      that's not true they don't even train on face punching it wasn't a fair fight for the mauy thai fighter how is that not obvious?

    • @roderik4
      @roderik4 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@user-sg2pc2pc3g you're generalizing a bit too much. There are lots of karate styles that train for face punches, only not the most common ones in the US

  • @mixmartialarts4144
    @mixmartialarts4144 4 ปีที่แล้ว +23

    what the hell, when karate man hit MT's head and when MT hit karate's head lmao

  • @MegaSaginaw
    @MegaSaginaw 5 ปีที่แล้ว +144

    Ryu vs Sagat.

    • @jarkid
      @jarkid 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      hahahaha

    • @jarkid
      @jarkid 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      hahahahaha

    • @Hexagram96
      @Hexagram96 4 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      Jin kazama vs bruce

    • @hummayunaly1123
      @hummayunaly1123 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      hahhahahahah

    • @rsharkgreen2739
      @rsharkgreen2739 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      except when ryu and sagat fought sagat technically won because ryu made a dirty move at the end

  • @reinerbraun1798
    @reinerbraun1798 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    No style is better than other
    It's the fighters that make the difference

  • @donalias812
    @donalias812 ปีที่แล้ว

    I love how they reverence the crowd, the referee and themselves, that respect

  • @achen8396
    @achen8396 5 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    The axe kicks were quite impressive

  • @ikehopman
    @ikehopman 5 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    This is kyokusinkai karate rules..andy hugh is legendary in k1 and these karate man are very strong full contact karate..they were tasting more each other because fighting with rules stays a game..to bad andy was 46 he died..i have seen him here in alkmaar on video 70s! They kick ass in mine opinion full contact no gloves no head strike only with feet ..very hard and kicking on head stands for indigniti cheers!

    • @amoreazione3563
      @amoreazione3563 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      still, it takes not a lot of experience to tell that most of the Karate strikes, even when they landed, were ineffective: the Muay Thai fighter could have taken a few dozens more of those "kicks" and "punches" . The opposite is true for the karateka, who was hit just to his lower part of the body a few times and was showing signs of suffered damage. Muay Thai is difficult to beat because of the brutal conditioning and power its fighters bring on the ring.

  • @wkcave
    @wkcave ปีที่แล้ว

    Lovin the early 90s vid quality

  • @Mike-og1dm
    @Mike-og1dm 2 ปีที่แล้ว +13

    Andy Hug is a legend, RIP

  • @dark-lh8fg
    @dark-lh8fg 4 ปีที่แล้ว +26

    karate
    "Come on man"

  • @ElDrHouse2010
    @ElDrHouse2010 3 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    The Karateka didn't do it bad, he really put up a fight later on. Learning complete Karate punches, kicks, grappling, (the old school way of learning Karate) aint bad.

    • @WasiulWahid-ot7cj
      @WasiulWahid-ot7cj 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

      after they took away most of the muay thai guy's techniques.

  • @kension333
    @kension333 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Are they using karate rules or something with no face punches? I never understood that part of karate.

  • @drewjeers815
    @drewjeers815 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Are groin kick allowed?

  • @RandomGuy-xj7mp
    @RandomGuy-xj7mp 3 ปีที่แล้ว +10

    This just shows how Nak Muays are ACTUALLY conditioned to fight

  • @Shudikan90
    @Shudikan90 3 ปีที่แล้ว +37

    Both of them fought very well for these rule sets, and they are both very limited. Didn't see any elbows or high knees from muy tai, didnt see joint breaks, eye or throat strikes from karate. There are so many things both martial arts offer but this is a SPORT competition. Please remember this while watching.

    • @pulatelephonics
      @pulatelephonics 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Yeah they didn’t do much at all tbh. Limited is an understatement

    • @Dan-ye2uz
      @Dan-ye2uz ปีที่แล้ว

      Best comment so farr

    • @catiacilene6119
      @catiacilene6119 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Oh what dishonest take. To compare no elbow with something like throat strikes lol You may as well put karate guy vs a boxer, nothing but punches allowed and the boxer can say "is a Sport, you cant kick, i cant dirty box, is totally fair".

  • @jhdesi6599
    @jhdesi6599 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Nice video plz more uploaded

  • @thealphayt3904
    @thealphayt3904 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Haters should know the context that this not some random event. It is seidokaikan karate World Cup so they have to fight under karate rules

  • @alexserdeliuc8782
    @alexserdeliuc8782 5 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    Old post I saw by chance. Feel compelled to comment after having read some of the comments.
    If the karateka is Andy Hug, in a full contact match where all strikes are allowed, Andy would have won anyway. He was actually a more efficient "head" striker using his hands, than most thai fighters.

    • @alexserdeliuc8782
      @alexserdeliuc8782 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@jonathanjonathansen By "head striking" I meant, if striking the head was allowed.

    • @user-jk3sk2bu6p
      @user-jk3sk2bu6p 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      ​@@jonathanjonathansen Do you have some sort of severe case of superiority complex? You seem to make everything up as you say believing what you said were correct when James had been trying to re-educate you. Originally the K-1 was a tournament that was created by the flow of full contact karate Seidokaikan which Ishii founded. The original idea of K-1/kickboxing was built on full contact Karate which later became to known as the mixture of Muay Thai and karate.

  • @emptyendeavor2762
    @emptyendeavor2762 3 ปีที่แล้ว +14

    Love how these other arts have to change rules to put Muay Thai at a disadvantage.

    • @Monkey_Milkman
      @Monkey_Milkman 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Karate kicks muy thai ass

    • @ricksonrickson8796
      @ricksonrickson8796 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@Monkey_Milkman try hard dude muay thai always too good for karate,why makes so many rules for beat a muau thai🤣🤣🤣

    • @Monkey_Milkman
      @Monkey_Milkman 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@ricksonrickson8796 if muay Thai is as good as your English then it shouldn't be too hard to beat.

    • @startrack3898
      @startrack3898 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@Monkey_Milkman in your dreams 😆😆

    • @startrack3898
      @startrack3898 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@Monkey_Milkman this guy don't know that your karate got destroyed by Muay Thai fighter that's why karate make some rules to defeat Muay Thai Lmao karate is trash 🗑️😂

  • @ronrr2334
    @ronrr2334 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

    When it comes to striking, nothing beats muay thai.

  • @southchum101
    @southchum101 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    The referee holding the karate guys face: “ are you ok sweetie”.

  • @yogeshghadge5748
    @yogeshghadge5748 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    This is so annoying to the muay thai guy. Years and years they train punching to the point that body itself reacts to a specific situation without thinking. But in this fight he needed to suppress his natural reaction. It feels so frustrating. It's like someone has tied his hands.
    Edit : - I came to know that in this fight they purposely put a karate guy double the weight of the muay thai guy. This was happening for a long time during that era. They use to call muay thai fighters in Japan to fight with heavy weights with limited rules. This started because in 1963 and 1984, there was a match up between kyokushin and muay thai where muay thai guy beat the karate guy in the lumpini stadium and also in some other stadium in Tokyo. You can find those two videos on youtube.

  • @jinfudoa8490
    @jinfudoa8490 4 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Yeah he took those punches to the face and barely flinched. Didn't even retaliate.. Just followed the rules. That guy was one of the toughest human beings ever to walk the earth. RIP Andy hug.

    • @pedrorosa7977
      @pedrorosa7977 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Andy Hug is a legend, karatê too have Head punchs and techniques

  • @sanjayw9878
    @sanjayw9878 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Bro I fucking love this ref lmao hes hella serious about this fight

  • @tensaaiii
    @tensaaiii ปีที่แล้ว

    Is this Kyukoshin karate?

  • @gianlucacoraggio4357
    @gianlucacoraggio4357 4 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    They fight with kyokushin roles, and frankly, looks more like a "show fight", I mean c'mon, the referee that throw a fighter so easily?!

  • @admiradordocosmos8812
    @admiradordocosmos8812 4 ปีที่แล้ว +22

    2:53 o juiz derrubando o cara kkkkkkkkkk

    • @italoaraujo4731
      @italoaraujo4731 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Passo o rodo sem miséria kkkk

    • @flowrepins6663
      @flowrepins6663 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @Jhonathan Conceição regra do katate pode chutar a cara nao pode socar

    • @brenosuperturbo
      @brenosuperturbo 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @Jhonathan Conceição Nessa luta você não podia dar socos no cabeça do oponente, porém podia dar chutes, aparentemente o karatê tem mais facilidade para fazer isso por isso ele fez com mais frequência do que o outro lutador.

    • @Lobo_Cinzento_
      @Lobo_Cinzento_ 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      O cara fica chorando pq levou um soco kkkkk

  • @lorenzogelatti3383
    @lorenzogelatti3383 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Which style of karate? Could someone tell me

  • @user-xs4zj9oi9u
    @user-xs4zj9oi9u 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Who won?

  • @marcogemini7285
    @marcogemini7285 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    i think they are fighting under kyokushin rules, that allow kicks in the face but punches only on the body.

  • @fightingfitnessandmorebootcamp
    @fightingfitnessandmorebootcamp 4 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Andy the master of axe kick

  • @guitarttimman
    @guitarttimman ปีที่แล้ว

    I give props to the Karate guy. Not many can hang in there like that with a Thai fighter. Those guys are no joke!

  • @heliopijpe
    @heliopijpe 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Andy is SO good, so less linear than most of his kyukushin style contemporaries , super tough, great fighter,, imagine the wOrld back then,, this must have been a spectacular event, he learned ALOT from Chang that night ... Chang wasn't allowed to do much tho :-)

  • @ramsesfl1850
    @ramsesfl1850 3 ปีที่แล้ว +38

    Imagínate una pelea callejera, "no me pegues en la cara por favor" 😂

    • @richardespindola6098
      @richardespindola6098 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Eran las reglas, el tiene otras peleas con reglas de K1, en una noqueó a un campeón de Muay Thai, y sabés con qué? Con un puñetazo en la cara. 😎👌🏼

    • @ramsesfl1850
      @ramsesfl1850 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@richardespindola6098
      Ese Karateca quedó como un cobarde y débil, "no me pegues en la cara porque me duele" 😣 JAJAJAJAJA 😂😂😂

    • @richardespindola6098
      @richardespindola6098 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@ramsesfl1850 th-cam.com/video/a0DRvDyQVmc/w-d-xo.html pués mira esta pelea, es el mismo Karateka pero con reglas de K1

    • @ramsesfl1850
      @ramsesfl1850 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@richardespindola6098
      JAJAJA es aún peor, el cobarde quejándose porque lo golpean en su carita pero él sí da patadas y golpes en la cara, así son de llorones los Karatecas 😂😂😂

    • @richardespindola6098
      @richardespindola6098 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@ramsesfl1850 lo que digas, igual noqueó al campeón de Muay Thai, te guste o no, y con un golpe en la cara. 😎👌🏼

  • @lennyboh6300
    @lennyboh6300 4 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    People here trying to explain how to fight to Andy Hug..
    🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

    • @ricksonrickson8796
      @ricksonrickson8796 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      The thai guy fight over him and added rules what a shame

  • @bobv8219
    @bobv8219 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Much of these videos were from a early time when nobody really had progress along to Captivate an audience these videos are well done I mean right out the gate well done but you know money became a huge intrusion to the whole boxing industry Weatherby Muay Thai or any type of boxing so wants money became a huge part of the whole game everything changed

  • @blankblank2345
    @blankblank2345 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    i dont understand why the ref disrupts when someone falls without being ko'd... can somebody explain?

  • @patrickdejong1765
    @patrickdejong1765 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    R.i.p Andy hugg he was the best at that time he fought even mirco crokop when he had bloodcancer

  • @MrAndreagia
    @MrAndreagia 5 ปีที่แล้ว +14

    ANDY HUG R.I.P

  • @JoeyplaysgamesLoL
    @JoeyplaysgamesLoL 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    The reason for the punches is that bare knuckle punches are dangerous for the person punching and the person being punched. The likelihood that a head kick hits is much much lower than a punch to the face

  • @kalebcollins9866
    @kalebcollins9866 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I love their sportsmanship

  • @francomanca7901
    @francomanca7901 4 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    This is the legendary Andy Hug

  • @juliuspuppetmaster8040
    @juliuspuppetmaster8040 4 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Bien puñetas el de karate quejándose de los golpes a la cara y utilizando su gran masa para derribar a su rival.

    • @alejandrodonet4794
      @alejandrodonet4794 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      El karateka Andi Hug pateó varias veces la cabeza del tailandés, si permitían puños a la cara, Andi Hug mata al otro chico , ¿ Sabes quién fue Andi Hug ?

    • @elreptilianojesuita7135
      @elreptilianojesuita7135 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      El de muay thai no pudo mostrar mas arsenal de sus movimiento. Si el desarrollaba todo su potencia ganaba la pelea contra hug. El muay thai es superior al karate

    • @alejandrodonet4794
      @alejandrodonet4794 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @@elreptilianojesuita7135 Falso, el Muay Thai es una excelente arte marcial, pero varias veces fueron derrotados pot karatekas (kyokushinkai) o kickboxers. Ningún arte es invencible. Andi Hug hubiera demolido a puñetazos a ese chico.

    • @elreptilianojesuita7135
      @elreptilianojesuita7135 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@alejandrodonet4794 sabes creo tanto como karate y muay thai dejaron otros movimiento en desuso por ser mortales. Creo que adaptaron para ser un arte marcial menos peligroso eso no significa que no haga. Daño. Solo desecharon golpes que pueden ser mortales.
      Vivimos en una sociedad que donde no tantas guerra cuerpo a cuerpo. No te olvides que ambas arte marciales se crearon para matar el enemigo de un golpe

    • @alejandrodonet4794
      @alejandrodonet4794 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@elreptilianojesuita7135 Exacto, hoy se piensa en competir deportivamente, para la guerra están los misiles.

  • @user-bf4er7ve5x
    @user-bf4er7ve5x 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I have just started my karate lessons and really enjoyed this until now. ...may be muay tai...?

  • @MarkKamoski
    @MarkKamoski 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    No head strikes son, it is unreasonable. Sheesh. Will somebody PLEASE get these guys an octagon!!?

  • @holasoyjoseelquetelapusoys3471
    @holasoyjoseelquetelapusoys3471 3 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    2:53 El maestro acá soy Yo!!!

  • @waddwawadsdasad2339
    @waddwawadsdasad2339 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    RIP ANDY HUG

  • @Joe-bn9fz
    @Joe-bn9fz 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    great fight. tkd guy had amazing kicks and muay thai guy had great defense

  • @signordon1987
    @signordon1987 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    is this a no punch in the face fight?

  • @ernestocorleone9894
    @ernestocorleone9894 4 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Me sorprende lo duros que son los karatecas.

    • @donquixote9163
      @donquixote9163 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Já vi vários vídeos do karatê contra outras lutas ,percebo que o karatê é bem mais objetivo,tanto seus chutes quanto socos ,já outras lutas não,só ficam mostrando golpes bonitos ,mas que em uma luta real não ajudariam em nada !!

  • @wistongramirez7795
    @wistongramirez7795 4 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    2:46 c mamo el albrito :v

  • @ShCruzZ
    @ShCruzZ 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    both fighters are nerfed by the no hit in the face rule, and if the muay thai agreed on the rule, andy is right to get upset

  • @giddue
    @giddue 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    did the referee projected Andy on the ground at 2:55??!

  • @jobrzut
    @jobrzut 5 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    I Think that is karate kyokushin

  • @absaryasin5188
    @absaryasin5188 4 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    3:43 awesome defence...

    • @mraih7796
      @mraih7796 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      😂😂😂

  • @momakizprasine000
    @momakizprasine000 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    What is the name of this muay thai fighter, Does anyone know?thnx

  • @hermengardafernandes7673
    @hermengardafernandes7673 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Who is a win???

  • @Kyojuro___Rengoku
    @Kyojuro___Rengoku 4 ปีที่แล้ว +20

    They were going with Kyokushin rules(just bangages on hands) no contact with hand to head they had no gloves... its not crying of karateka its not nice to get hit by hand without glove educate yourselfs kickbox fanboys

    • @jonangorman6341
      @jonangorman6341 4 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      karate fanboy

    • @vuxs6721
      @vuxs6721 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Muay Thai fanboys*

    • @Ho_Lii_Fuk
      @Ho_Lii_Fuk 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Bitchass karate boy didn't have the balls to fight muay thai fighter without punches to the head lmao. This isn't real fighting

    • @kkadzielna
      @kkadzielna 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Ho Lii Fuk this karate boy is Andy hug. He was literally a kickboxing legend, trust me he could take a punch to the head. Educate yourself before you try to shit on sb like that next time

    • @momakizprasine000
      @momakizprasine000 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Brate znaš li možda kako se zove ovaj muay thai borac, pozdrav

  • @klrdto3250
    @klrdto3250 4 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    2:50 tripped over by referree lmao

  • @andresdiospatriahogar2640
    @andresdiospatriahogar2640 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Era andy hook??

  • @fikrathajizada2889
    @fikrathajizada2889 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Who is winner?

  • @akhypecontadit
    @akhypecontadit 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    The karate champ is andy hug

  • @sirbrad4
    @sirbrad4 6 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Apparently many do not know the rules of full contact karate, you can't punch the face but you can kick the face and punch/kick the body. Muay Thai fighters do not kick high usually anyway. Andy did no defend punches to the face because he knows they are not allowed.

    • @sunnysangjiji
      @sunnysangjiji 5 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      sirbrad4 hum, cannot punch face ...what kind of rule is that in a flight? Karate fighters are chicks selling their face?

    • @rayttt1889
      @rayttt1889 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Wow i didn't know that i practice karate but it makes sense cuz we dont puch each other in the face while sparring but we do kick to the face and kick and punch to the body

    • @generationace425
      @generationace425 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@sunnysangjiji This karate guy, Andy Hug, won multiple titles under muay thai rules. He's also considered to be one of the greatest heavyweight kickboxers of all time. Educate yourself.

    • @sunnysangjiji
      @sunnysangjiji 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      generationace425 oh, he knows the rule and still keep bitching around? Or you are saying because he won title so that he should enjoy privilege in this fight? Put your logic together and educate yourself.

    • @generationace425
      @generationace425 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@sunnysangjiji when did I say winning titles means he can enjoy the privelage? You claimed that karate fighters are chicks for fighting this rule... I simply pointed out that this fighter won under muay thai rules making your claim stupid. Keep in mind karate fighters in this time also participated in full contact fighting which included being punch in the face, further making your claim stupid... I don't know about you, but if I agree to certain rules, I expect both sides to follow suit. Even then, I didn't see any bitching from this karate fighter... He just needed to take a breather after getting clocked bare knuckled in the face. Fights like this happened mutiple times during this Era, there were also thai fighters needing to take a breather after getting punched in the face with those rules and bare knuckles. This "bitching" you're talking about during the fight happened on both sides. Like I said, educate yourself.

  • @DzakyyMr
    @DzakyyMr ปีที่แล้ว

    This is awesome

  • @eismndmsoaidhndmsm
    @eismndmsoaidhndmsm 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    I love the ref at 1:29 what are you checking bro lmaoooooo like he boutta kiss dude

  • @deepanshusingh3059
    @deepanshusingh3059 3 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Karate guy saw the blood for the first time in his Life.😂

  • @tristangriffiths7998
    @tristangriffiths7998 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Karate always

  • @pajil8444
    @pajil8444 ปีที่แล้ว

    lol, every time the karate guy drops the muay thai guy he does the style to look like he's doing it with his karate force...

  • @B0uff0s
    @B0uff0s 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I remember Andy Hug, RIP