Very useful review and discussion thanks Lads. One minor thing that slipped by you; (but I think it's pretty neat!) At 4:10 talking about the space under the boot floor; raise the back edge of the floor-panel and pull it towards you, about one foot (300mm). Now slide it forward again, and the boot (trunk) floor is 6 inches (150mm) lower than it was. There is a cunning sloped support ledge that makes this happen. There won't be space for the charging cable bag, but with persistence the cable can fit in the frunk.
Head supports are adjustable. They are on a rack system. Pull fully forward and adjusts to 3 positions horizontally. It’s a lovely car. I do about 55 miles motorway commute and currently at 2000 miles with 4.3m/kWh.
I have had the Nero EV 4 now since August I of the first one in the country It’s really good 👍 just does what you want it to do they have even give you an easy solution for that annoying beep the lane assist. Just hold it down for a few seconds and it disables it. Brilliant that is so annoying when on small roads. But apart from that much better car than the previous E Nero which I had and sold after 2 years and got the same money I paid for it. Well Done Kia 🎉
I tossed up between waiting for a new Niro EV or going for a year old e-Niro 4+. I went for the latter as I wasn't sold about the 'touchscreen' climate/media controls and the potential for sunlight making the non-recessed dash displays difficult to read. Also the removal of things like the HK sound system, questions marks about the supply of the granny charger and V2L adapter etc sealed the deal. I would have loved a HUD (I had one previously on a Peugeot 5008) though... Not at at all disappointed with the 4+ and some of the stories about software issues with the new car means I won't be changing until the new one's been out for a while. Slight correction about the video - The V2L inverter is rated for 16A (both inside and the plug in adapter) in the European version as the Schuko mains connector is rated for this but the UK model of course will be limited to 13A by the fuse in the plug.
Great review as always, in case you (or others) care you can indeed swap the Volume and Tune knobs (it's in Settings -> Button -> Vol/Tune Knob. We've had our Niro EV 3 for about a month now as a companion to our Soul EV 1st edition and agree completely that it just feels slightly more modern inside (although I still love the Soul).
Is there a reason you chose the 3 trim in particular? I was going to get the 4 but they've stopped the upgraded HK that comes with it so thinking of the 3 now.
@@pwr1990 we wanted the heated seats and steering wheel (which counted out the 2). Comparing the 3 to the 4 it seemed to come down to the sunroof, HUD and HK audio and while they'd have been nice (we have the latter two in our Soul 1st edition which is our other car) just couldn't justify getting to basically 40k (we ordered at launch pricing). We're also buying long-term not PCP so it's not just a case of a small monthly increase. With the HK audio gone from the 4 I definitely would have gone for the 3 but obviously everyone has different priorities - happy choosing!
I have had an E Niro 4+ for a little ober 18 months and it did surprise me how good it was and moving from an Audi Q5 s line is saying something! I have not missed my Audi and love the fact I just plug it in when I arrive home and wake up with a full (mostly 80%) battery. As you say over 4 miles per kWh easy especially in summer, but winter takes it down a bit. Worst range from full was 215 miles completed in January 3 degrees temp for all journeys and drove to Manchester airport, left car for 2 weeks and drove home, arriving with 6% battery. So easy 250 in summer and 210 in winter. I will definately be looking at this when I am ready to move on, they have pretty much fixed all the "It woulfd be better if..." thoughts I had. Great review as always, but I must say the white version of car with the black rear sides does have a storm trooper look going on!
We've had our Niro EV 5 weeks now and really glad I went for it. Our first EV we have owned and extremely happy so far. I much prefer the updated outside and inside of the new Niro. No real negatives but can be a bit loud in the cabin at times but that's nit picking.
Had mine for just over 2 months and love it. The charging speed doesn’t bother me as I can charge at home and just don’t do long journeys where I’d need to charge it a large amount in one go. I know they stopped offering the smaller battery because people didn’t buy them but personally having done over 2000 miles it I’d be happy to have saved a few thousand pounds or more and charged it an extra time per week. I think we’re still at a point where people are learning what they need from an ev and how to live with it. One minor annoyance for me is that on the manual climate controls you can’t turn on the heater without going into a menu. You can turn the ac on and off, but not specifically the heater, and once you’re in the menu you can have both on the which essentially means they seem to cancel each other out. On the auto setting it switches from ac to heat depending on the temp you set, but manually there’s not heat button on the touch display - which I think the sportage and ev6 do!? That said the auto settings are pretty decent so I’ll probably just end up sticking to them anyway. The other thing is that it has a wireless charger but no wireless CarPlay/android auto. Having to plug it in to use CarPlay completely negates the wireless charger. They’re quibbles at worst though and now I’ve got used to them I don’t really notice them when driving.
Bit late but my Seat Leon has the same issue with its wireless charger but wired auto. I picked up one of the cheap wireless android auto dongles from amazon (about 25 quid). I now have wireless Android auto, it also resolved a super annoying problem where android auto would occasionally just crash on me.
Have a version 3. Already used v2l during 2 hour power cut. Long extension lead into house to run TV, router and fibre box used about 2% of battery. Getting 240 miles on a long mixed drive. Used ionity to charge and was only getting 43kw at 35% only downer on this car, fortunately don't do many long trips so not a deal-breaker.
With the infotainment you simply *hold the button for 3 seconds* and it sets which screen, audio or econ as default. Set audio as default this way it always switches back to Audio after changing econ settings. This info is buried in the owners manual 😉 Most aren't even aware. It's the same with all new Kia's with this switching screen infotainment/econ system.
Sorry Andy I'll disagree with the two-tone panel on the higher trim, I love it. Doesn't make it look like every other car on the road. I would get the two-tone model every time. Just had to check and the peak charge rate is 80kW and the battery is slightly bigger than the original eNiro giving the Niro EV every so slightly more range and is more efficient with a lower Cd than the original. I always love your reviews though guys, keep them coming. You've made me come back and reconsider the Niro EV again, toss up between it and the new BYD Atto3 that is available here in Australia. But hoping it gets to the UK so you can review it as well. Though BYD may give you a better warranty option than they have done here.
I just bought one in Utah (2023 Kia Niro EV Wave). I got the wave which is the top trim. It has the Harman-Karman system. The knob issue is not a thing for me because it needs to be easily accessed by the passenger for the dual-zone climate control. Love the car. I may be a Kia guy now.
Power delivery curve probably sensible - it's a little too easy to wheel-spin in the old eNiro, being FWD, although traction control does kick in. Other thoughts: with the driver safety features optioned you're unlikely to shunt-damage the charging port as the car will brake if it thinks you're going to hit something (don't ask me how I know!) Storage bin looks a bit smaller, wireless phone charger is tucked out of sight on the old model so you won't get your windows smashed if you leave your phone behind. Many old owners fitted after-market frunk/froot (and gas struts) - you just get used to pulling the bonnet release and you don't really get dirty once you know exactly where the bonnet catch is. Range, efficiency and boot space are great but that looks like quite a lot less space under the boot floor than the old model where it has been a life-saver for family holidays. Still a winner although it's a shame the refresh didn't include faster Rapid charging but the range does hit 300 miles in the Summer around town and vehicle-to-load is a big plus. Crap audio makes me cry - does it still have a sub in the boot? BTW once you connect your phone and use the steering wheel buttons for volume you don't need to reach that far button on the console. Isn't a heat pump always nice for efficiency? I wonder if it affects range.
15:26 you forgot to mention that it can sustain the peak charge current for longer than the previous model (and other cars) so it charges faster than competing cars with the same peak charge rate.
Great Review. Down to earth & good chemistry between the two lads. I loved the Darren Fletcher 😂 analogy. I ordered one yesterday. That’s what brought me to the review.
I'm just about to buy 2021 E-Niro, from a French KIA dealership, for €22K (£18,700). 21,000 miles. So it has 250 mile range and 4 years left on the Kia Warranty. What's not to love about that? I'm trading my lovely Nissan LEAF (only because of range and Chademo) which has been the perfect runabout for 2 years. I'm sold on EVs, sold on charging at home from Solar, and sold on the driving experience of EVs. I'm sold on the lack of annual servicing items (basically just screen wash). I figure it will be my next car for the next 4 years at least. In 4 years I expect the EV industry to have moved to 400 mile range as standard, and battery technology to have improved by a generation. Whether or not I need to buy into that is another matter because a guaranteed 200 mile range was really all I was after.
I bought the new 2023 kia Niro EV that charges the battery with the car engine rather than needing to plug it in to a station and wait to get it charged up again. I love the car so far, just takes some time learning what all the gadgets are and how to set settings on everything the way you want it! But that’s half the fun to me anyway! If you enjoy playing with gadgets you will love this car!
Best review I've seen so far chaps. Great shot of the aero back for people that don't care, I do 😂. Thanks for explaining the 2, 3 and 4 models so clearly. Cheers 👍
Another great review. As a 1.5 year Soul owner it's interesting to see what has been done. I really would have hoped that something could be done about the rapid DC charging, even with the current/older battery tech. 77kW wouldn't be a problem really, if it was able to deliver it *more often*, not just with the all the 4 battery modules at or over 25C. If you have been on the road for 250 miles or 3 hours I really don't mind if the car takes 30 minutes to take in a charge. Some cars will charge so fast that you would have to stop eating to go and move it off the charge point. What would be super useful would be to be able to get 50+ kW of charging as soon as you plug in, not charging at 20-30kW because of the cool winter battery temperature, only finally getting to 50kW when you've nearly finished and the speed gets throttled by the higher SOC. Taking in 50kW at temperatures of even 10C would make a difference so often. Re reversing bongs - Yes, such a nuisance. Thankfully the Soul and earlier e-Niro have the VESS switch to turn off the Vehicle Engine Sound System which also mutes the bongs. For me that switch would be a deal breaker and has gone from latest models. God knows why Korea likes noise so much: the loud seatbelt warnings, the Telly Tubby welcome and turn-off jingle and the over loud VESS and reversing bongs. Heaven's sake, ICE cars are quieter! In another forum someone drew attention to the fact that reversing bongs on cars (rather than bigger vehicles) don't appear to comply with UK regulations. Follow the link below, scroll down the page to "E CONTROL OF NOISE", under that we see "99.Use of audible warning instruments" - Click on that link: (3) No person shall sound, or cause or permit to be sounded, on a road any reversing alarm fitted to a vehicle- (a)unless the vehicle is a goods vehicle which has a maximum gross weight not less than 2000 kg, a bus, engineering plant, or a works truck; Clause 99(3)(a) of The Road Vehicles (Construction and Use) Regulations 1986 www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/1986/1078/contents/made www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/1986/1078/regulation/99/made
Nice review. I'm glad they're succeeding and getting better. I rented a '21 Niro EV for a month while my '99 Lexus SC (Soarer for you on the other side of the pond.) was being painted. It drove decent but was simply too small for me. I ended up selecting a '22 Mustang Mach-e about a month ago. Can't be happier.
Good review but I keep highlighting the position of the rear indicators stuck on the bumper,not a good look.The previous Sportage was the same and looked ridiculous.Back to the drawing board Kia
Great review guys. We've had a Niro EV for a month now and agree with everything you said. Particularly like the fit and finish but wish it changed a bit quicker.
We have a 72 plate NiroEV 3. Our first EV. From the EV driving experience it’s just fine. Range is not a problem, performance is excellent, comfort and space is excellent, BUT, and it’s a massive BUT, the ‘tech’ is just full of glitches and bugs, parking sensors not working, front scanner’s forever ‘check your distance scanners’, check this, check that. Climate control both air con and heating failure. Local dealers been excellent in trying to resolve but it’s been sufficiently annoying and frustrating that we’ll take some convincing to consider Kia again😅
We bought a Soul. Easy for my missis to get in and out. We love it and get the same sort of range as the Niro. Doesn't have the VtL function but we don't need that. And such a fun car to drive! Ours cost £36000 (well, cost the bank anyway).
Sorry I prefer the old model. What's wrong with having dedicated controls for heating, radio volume etc? Why do we have to choose a mode before selecting between ventilation / infotainment? Who has asked for imitation dial for speed and battery soc? Digital is more precise and easier to read. I like to sliding cover for the cup holder / storage area on the 'old' model and I think the armrest storage space is bigger too. Ours is due for new lease in 2 years. Old saying - if it aint broke, don't fix it. Unless they make changes to the new version I'm hoping there might be a few old ones about. - unlikely I know 😞Very useful review though - thank you. Might see you in Harrogate for the Fully Charged Show!
It looks a lot better than the previous, What I do like is it's ability to charge my solar batteries with free electricity. Shame they went for NMC CATL cells, for energy density. that's why I am leasing it instead of owning ;-). Got the 3 spec with that V2L ;-)
Totally right with the front charger. The most likely place to have a crash next to, obviously, the back. The best would be if the carmakers would only choose either back left or front right, so noone blocks the other - that does not only happen at SuCs but also often here in CZ at 50kW chargers which have rather short CCs cables)
just a quick question i have ordered a kona 65kwh to be delivered in march my question is i don't have a home charger if say i charge for 57p kwh would that be 57x65 from empty to full or have i got it wrong sorry i really can't get my head around it thanks for reading
yep £37 for 100% charge, but to protect the battery one would normally try not to go too far below 20% and only charge to 80% so that's approx 39kwh =£22 for 156 miles (39kwh*4 miles p kw) hope that helps- of course long trips charge to 100% and I try not to go below 10% .. you will find that aircon and/or heater can reduce range by maybe 10%, as can wind / rain. but my guess is that you will love driving an EV. ( Tesco is now at 28p p kw )
@@trevorcoleman8826 I believe the Niro uses LiPo batteries which don't need looking after in that way, although it sounds like they're changing suppliers so not 100% sure what model uses what
Was confident I was going for the 4 trim level. Though they've now stopped including the HK premium sound system which was annoying. The other upgrades don't seem worth it to me so think I'll be heading for the 3 trim👍🏽
I still call it a facelift, size is the same, has same battery size and charging speed. Also you forgot the megane e-tech similar price and range but alitle smaller.
For some reason they got rid of the glasses bin above the rear view mirror. I know it is a silly issue but that, the piano gloss and the low charge speed, really took the shine off car for me. I’ll wait for the next one….EV5 or IONIQ 4
I live in France and have just ordered the Tesla Y rear wheel drive version at Euros 48000 which is less expensive than the top spec KIA Niro. There is no competition to the Tesla Y.plus you get the Tesla superchargers.
This will be the new "second hand golf" I'm 5 years, bought one because you're right it's what I need and not what I want, might going by an SL and convert it while I wait til May for this bugger to arrive
My Niro EV 4 is 11 days old and I’m already having issues. The car often (3 times so far) refuses to move into gear. It seem it’s immobilised! I turn the car off and lock it then go back a few minutes later and it will start ok. Not good for a car that cost 43k
I’ve had this. Google “zombie mode”. In my case I used the app to start climate control during the recent cold spell. The issue appears to be that when you unlock the car (possibly using the door button) it doesn’t terminate the remote CC session. Consequently the car can’t be put in gear. The issue resolves after 20-30 mins when presumably the CC session times out. I now make sure I use the app to switch off the remote Cc session before approaching the car. Other than this, I’ve had no issues, and it’s a great car. I bought a 3, but wish I’d bought a 4 as that has the wing mirrors auto tilt when you reverse. This appears to be an undocumented feature, and seems to require the seat memory function that is only available with the 4 trim.
As an eNiro driver I've always thought that Kia designed their cars from front to back and got bored about three quarters back. The back end of Kias is generally dull. The eNiro and niro ev are perfect examples of this
Not a patch on the old one (in my opinion). It does look better, more modern and smarter. My old Niro would charge up to 280 miles (in winter maybe 250 miles), my new Niro I am lucky to get 225... Nowhere near the 285 as claimed! I have spoken to other Niro owners with the same spec as me, they all say the same... Does/has anyone get anywhere near the 285 miles?
Great review! Did you get to try the wired Apple Carplay? I have just got the Niro PHEV and the Carplay refuses to stay connected, seems a lot of people are seeing the same problem but Kia say contact Apple and Apple say not a problem their end! Tried many cables and different phones but no luck so far. ☹️. But I love my new car anyway! 😉
@@ruadhbutler9143 let’s hope it’s not all of them then. Mine sometimes works for over an hour but yesterday it stopped 8 times during a 26 mile trip! All very frustrating!
@@TheUgleyCrafters silly question but do you have access to another phone and cable to try? I had that issue on my Soul and it was the charge port being full of pocket lint which was causing the issue when going over small bumps
Depends when you ordered. I think they only took it off recently. I was going for the 4 but when they stopped the premium sound system, I went for the 3
Great review, this is looking like my next car next year , although the new Kona is due next spring depending on the current car issues , so sitting on the fence till then
I have one suitcase that will fill that bootspace! Will the back seat fold down? How much length between the back of the front seat and the inside of the boot? These things matter, much more than the colour or the shiny black plastic bits! How come James Steward can comment on it four days before this appeared in my list, half an hour ago?
You can indeed fold the seats down but the boot floor also lowers to give you more space. Glad you noticed my comment, they're all released as members only videos about a week earlier. Since I've saved a load based on advice I've picked up here I'm happy to support the channel with 99p a month :-)
Excellent review. Again. Agreed with every word. Also agree that the only criticism you can make is the odd non improvement in charge speed. Should be 120-150kW in this day & age. No need for the 800v system of the EV6/I5 which can often be too fast! No mention of road noise. Improved or not? I wonder if the Kona refresh will get the improved charge speed first? MM
I assume the reason for the charge speeds are due to the extra cost pushing up the price and making the car less affordable, as well as the Niro EV 4 spec competing with the basic spec EV6.
@@aloonatronrex3472 I kind of get that point but 120-150kW is now the standard charge speed at this price and size of car with all competitors cars. When travelling long distance and wanting to get a move on, this is just a bit too slow. Its brilliant efficiency makes up for that in most respects though.
It's definitely a love it or hate it shape car. Time will tell if they did the right thing with this face lift. Would of expected better charging though, falls short for today's ev speeds.
The Niro EV is the perfect upgrade from my trusty Hyundai Ioniq 28 kWh - it has a big battery with 3 phase charging and it can tow a trailer. Only issue is that the price is 3 times the Ioniq, it is too expensive. I hope the Chinese EV invasion in 2024 will lower the price of it, then I would probably upgrade next summer.
Inner London is now crawling with Niros. I think Uber now have a scheme to support the drivers to convert to EV. They are all over the chargers too, so this is the next stress point.
I had one on order and canceled it. Seats are not good for my 6f4 frame, the top sticks out in my back. Otherwise a great car, way more room in the back than an MG4.
that's a shame - I'm okay in the old eNiro although that's in the 4+ with the powered lumbar support. I could barely fit into an MG5 so I hope the 4 is better.
Managed a 50 mile road test of an eNiro, followed immediately by same using a Niro EV. No doubt the new Niro is a vast improvement in almost all respects. With one exception - it is noisier (the 2 cars were an eNiro 4+ and a Niro EV4. - will they have to change that when the EV6's little brother the EV4 is releaased?). Definitely more road noise. Also the Niro EV I tried had the KH audio system, and it is far better than the ordinary Kia system that was in a Niro EV3 I also managed to try. Pity they have had top drop it. I was worried about the charging rate, but on thinking about our driving habits, most of our driving is relatively short distance, and charging will be handled by our home charger. For a long journey we never drive more than about 220 miles non-stop without stopping for elongated comfort breaks, which usually take about an hour, so as long as there is a working charger there it won't be a problem. With regard to the MG4, I found that I have the same problem as with an ID3 and Tesla 3 - getting in/out and sitting down is awkward, as I have foot/knee issues. The Niro is about right, and the ID4/Enyaq too high. Also the MG4 I looked at at the nearest MG dealer was not impressive in the body seam gaps, and quality of interior.
We’ve had a Niro EV 3 for a few weeks now. I’d totally agree with the road noise comment. It’s way too loud for a car edging up to £40K. The comment that it’s competing on German/VW build levels falls down in cabin noise front alone. Also not impressed with it refusing to go into drive on a handful of occasions now (only allows neutral to be selected) causing us to be late for children’s classes and work.
Mine doesn’t. If I recall the base model has wireless CarPlay but not a wireless charger and the models up are the reverse. Ultimately you need both or neither. Of course that may have changed if they’ve managed to source the parts.
@@ElectricVehicleMan My point is I like the idea of an EV but it seems one by one the advantages of them are whittled away by excessive pricing, claimed cheap running costs which fail to materialise and the the charging infrastucture is not there.From all i've seen and readthe best option is to have a solar setup at home with a battery....12k plus....which is ok if you are 40...but I'm 64
Before i watch this video as i been waiting on your views. I hope you address the 3 elephants in the room? Pony colours, price for v2&3 too high, and biggest slower charging spped than outgoing model ( ok only 5kw ) but still 2022 and really should be 150kw min
Ha! Soo....not exactly 'elephants' then.....!? ....more like mice, really..... Well, unless you're one of those tedious, up themselves, car nerds who make a massive deal about largely irrelevant trivia....! ....you know the type - 'the shade of grey of the interior of the glove box is a deal breaker for me - I was nearly sick'...... !
The Niro is a great car we've run one for years and it's been flawless. But they've not moved this on enough & they've made it much much uglier. It would take something very special to make me leave Kia, superb cars & they don't lie about range but would I trade in my old Niro for this? Doubtful. That says it all.
Access to Froots on EV is ridiculous you can kind of understand it on this car as there is a hybrid and ICE variants but even models that are EV only don't treat them like regular storage like the boot . Come on manufacturers it won't take much time and effort or money to change it to a practical space for regular use
But with no charging network anywhere near as good as Teslas and that its a bit … “boring”…(slower with less Tech) I would not have one over your Tesla3.
I’ve ordered a Megane on that front. for me, it drives nicer. I personally prefer the styling of the interior and exterior. And I don’t need the extra space in the rear seats that the Niro offers.
@@ElectricVehicleMan I was thinking the difference will get me a tip/dog car for the rare times i need to carry more than a Golf size car plus a nice holiday or 2 :) MG4 also charges faster which means the smaller range is somewhat mitigated. I Sat in the New niro at fully charged this year, and tbh i think other cars have caught it up . When my company E-Niro is up for renewal in a year or so, not sure the new one (for me) will be #1 pick again. YMMV ofc :)
@@ElectricVehicleMan MG4 Trophy at £31.5k with 280-ish range rather than a Nero EV 3 at £38k with 280-ish range and slower charging? What in the name of the old Yorkshire Gods of prudence and common sense would justify the extra £6.5k the Nero EV 3 costs? The boot is bigger in the Niro EV, for sure, but is that worth all that extra brass?
I'd rather have a Soul. It's somewhat suspicious that the two are never compared. I *know* they're not being imported into the US, but even Channels that cover EV sales in other countries seem to be "Soul-haters".
All the car you need? Maybe not. My understanding is it takes 30-60 min for a full charge using fast DC charging because it can only do 72kwh. That's disappointingly slow by comparison to most EVs. It also does NOT come with a basic L1/L2 charger, unlike most EV's. So if you rent one of these you can't plug it in at your destination - you HAVE to go find a public charger. Annoying.
If I listen carefully, I can just make out that you guys are actually speaking English. Strange accent. Unlike my perfect version of English as spoken in rural West Texas, USA. 😉
@@chrisdakin7941not sure what the state of finance is now, but if you’re buying on PCP a lot of that £5K may well be eaten up by a higher interest rate, as was the case when we looked into it. The ZS was cheaper in theory but worked out to have higher monthly payments.
@@aloonatronrex3472 That is simply down to a interest rate and the deal you are able to get at the time and if you had equity in a p/ex. I priced up both, test drove both and the total opposite was my experience. The Niro, very nice car, was 5k more expensive, pcp was considerably more over a 3 year period, and p/ex was less. Still maintain what I said the Niro not 5ks better. And if you compare it to the new MG4 that's considerably cheaper still.
Stop buying electric cars everyone... We're not ready... still! Ok.. let me explain. Having followed the EVM story and gratefully followed and adopted advice on solar panels and home batteries, I took the plunge to grab an EV's. Away goes the Mercedes CLS motorway destroyer for a lesser branded model from Bavaria. Up until now the story has been good. Small to medium journeys are cheaper for sure although we're never going to recoup the purchase cost delta obviously. So this weekend was the big one. A meticulously planned trip to Scotland near Oban. A stop at Gretna Green was unanimously the most reliable option given the several stations available however with the two Gridserve spots taken, I'd have to make my way up to the 4 expensive Ionity spots way away from the services near the filling station. But what's this? they're all full and 2 cars are waiting! After a wait of 40mins I'm on charge for another 45minutrs myself. Ok.. against a coffee and a fuel stop I'm 1 hour down but it's a stressful hour in that there's no real order to the queue. You need to monitor and manage your position in the car park. At this point my wife is questioning my sanity adopting EV's but I try to turn it around by carefully planning activities around known charging points. Also, I claimed, the journey up was a Friday morning so maybe lots of people are travelling back north for the weekend??? The journey home was to be the last straw though even though it was a Monday. After a good long run, the first stop at Abingdon on the M74 was to prove the predicted flashpoint.. both charging stations full and believing to the 3rd in line, an Audi driver slips in and causes havoc. A very shouty and swary dialogue ensues with him predictably claiming that he was waiting before everyone else but was parked way back over there etc... Upshot... Another wait to charge in the horizontal rain for over an hour. Now I'm starting to agree with the wife that this is not necessarily the future.. due to the others now waiting I choose to 80% charge which forces me into a zap and dash. Might as well do it at the acclaimed Tebay services where you need to navigate to the northern side before arriving at the crappy Gridserve where... Yes you've guessed it .. there's another queue of 2 cars this time. I'm 8 hours into a journey now and need to wait another 35 minutes to get on a charger. I've done the same journey in the diesel Merc in 4.5 hours. This is really not a good way to travel. Both the wife and I are absolutely all in and highly stressed. Hence, my initial statement. Don't add to the mystery. Stay clear of EV's until the infrastructure is there...The costs to charge quickly at 69p per kWh means your savings are questionable at best. People need to know this before they take the plunge. Everyone in the queues claimed to be equally at the end of their tethers so unless somebody tells me that it's different elsewhere in the country then either don't go north or don't add to the EV charging mysery!
@@ElectricVehicleMan Agree that a certain megalomaniac owned US brand would have given better options but a chap in a VW ID was threatening to punch the lights out of a model Y owner that had 100% on the ionity charger and was nowhere to be seen.
you should plan to stop as early in the journey as will give you the required total range to avoid peak times - ideally before lunch, and always plan a site with mulitple chargers and a failover site a bit further on
@@Hyfly13 Thanks Daniel, I did both of those things but I guess we are so choked up that we are all doing that same thing. It will get better... I'm invested in it so I hope it does improve and soon but if I could reverse the clock, I would have stayed with fossil fuels. All I'm saying is that for now, we don't need more electric cars on the road until the infrastructure is in place to provide adequate charging on the main arterial routes. Also, we need to regulate such that the likes of Ionity don't keep on screwing us at each charge. I had notification that they're putting it up to 75p per kWh soon.
Very useful review and discussion thanks Lads. One minor thing that slipped by you; (but I think it's pretty neat!)
At 4:10 talking about the space under the boot floor; raise the back edge of the floor-panel and pull it towards you, about one foot (300mm). Now slide it forward again, and the boot (trunk) floor is 6 inches (150mm) lower than it was. There is a cunning sloped support ledge that makes this happen. There won't be space for the charging cable bag, but with persistence the cable can fit in the frunk.
Head supports are adjustable. They are on a rack system. Pull fully forward and adjusts to 3 positions horizontally. It’s a lovely car. I do about 55 miles motorway commute and currently at 2000 miles with 4.3m/kWh.
I have had the Nero EV 4 now since August I of the first one in the country It’s really good 👍 just does what you want it to do they have even give you an easy solution for that annoying beep the lane assist. Just hold it down for a few seconds and it disables it.
Brilliant that is so annoying when on small roads.
But apart from that much better car than the previous E Nero which I had and sold after 2 years and got the same money I paid for it.
Well Done Kia 🎉
I tossed up between waiting for a new Niro EV or going for a year old e-Niro 4+. I went for the latter as I wasn't sold about the 'touchscreen' climate/media controls and the potential for sunlight making the non-recessed dash displays difficult to read. Also the removal of things like the HK sound system, questions marks about the supply of the granny charger and V2L adapter etc sealed the deal. I would have loved a HUD (I had one previously on a Peugeot 5008) though...
Not at at all disappointed with the 4+ and some of the stories about software issues with the new car means I won't be changing until the new one's been out for a while.
Slight correction about the video - The V2L inverter is rated for 16A (both inside and the plug in adapter) in the European version as the Schuko mains connector is rated for this but the UK model of course will be limited to 13A by the fuse in the plug.
Great review as always, in case you (or others) care you can indeed swap the Volume and Tune knobs (it's in Settings -> Button -> Vol/Tune Knob. We've had our Niro EV 3 for about a month now as a companion to our Soul EV 1st edition and agree completely that it just feels slightly more modern inside (although I still love the Soul).
Thanks for the volume button setting. All I need to do is remember the txt is wrong, till muscle memory kicks in!
@@chargingabout yes, given the text is digital it makes no sense that it doesn't change at the same time!
@@stewardjames It's the same in the EV6 - you can switch the dials round but the text is wrong
Is there a reason you chose the 3 trim in particular?
I was going to get the 4 but they've stopped the upgraded HK that comes with it so thinking of the 3 now.
@@pwr1990 we wanted the heated seats and steering wheel (which counted out the 2). Comparing the 3 to the 4 it seemed to come down to the sunroof, HUD and HK audio and while they'd have been nice (we have the latter two in our Soul 1st edition which is our other car) just couldn't justify getting to basically 40k (we ordered at launch pricing). We're also buying long-term not PCP so it's not just a case of a small monthly increase. With the HK audio gone from the 4 I definitely would have gone for the 3 but obviously everyone has different priorities - happy choosing!
I have had an E Niro 4+ for a little ober 18 months and it did surprise me how good it was and moving from an Audi Q5 s line is saying something! I have not missed my Audi and love the fact I just plug it in when I arrive home and wake up with a full (mostly 80%) battery. As you say over 4 miles per kWh easy especially in summer, but winter takes it down a bit. Worst range from full was 215 miles completed in January 3 degrees temp for all journeys and drove to Manchester airport, left car for 2 weeks and drove home, arriving with 6% battery. So easy 250 in summer and 210 in winter.
I will definately be looking at this when I am ready to move on, they have pretty much fixed all the "It woulfd be better if..." thoughts I had.
Great review as always, but I must say the white version of car with the black rear sides does have a storm trooper look going on!
We've had our Niro EV 5 weeks now and really glad I went for it. Our first EV we have owned and extremely happy so far. I much prefer the updated outside and inside of the new Niro. No real negatives but can be a bit loud in the cabin at times but that's nit picking.
Had a 4 spec for a month. Heated seats and sunroof for me. I came from a Kona and while performance is a bit muted, I love this thing
Had mine for just over 2 months and love it. The charging speed doesn’t bother me as I can charge at home and just don’t do long journeys where I’d need to charge it a large amount in one go. I know they stopped offering the smaller battery because people didn’t buy them but personally having done over 2000 miles it I’d be happy to have saved a few thousand pounds or more and charged it an extra time per week. I think we’re still at a point where people are learning what they need from an ev and how to live with it.
One minor annoyance for me is that on the manual climate controls you can’t turn on the heater without going into a menu. You can turn the ac on and off, but not specifically the heater, and once you’re in the menu you can have both on the which essentially means they seem to cancel each other out. On the auto setting it switches from ac to heat depending on the temp you set, but manually there’s not heat button on the touch display - which I think the sportage and ev6 do!? That said the auto settings are pretty decent so I’ll probably just end up sticking to them anyway.
The other thing is that it has a wireless charger but no wireless CarPlay/android auto. Having to plug it in to use CarPlay completely negates the wireless charger.
They’re quibbles at worst though and now I’ve got used to them I don’t really notice them when driving.
Bit late but my Seat Leon has the same issue with its wireless charger but wired auto. I picked up one of the cheap wireless android auto dongles from amazon (about 25 quid). I now have wireless Android auto, it also resolved a super annoying problem where android auto would occasionally just crash on me.
Temperature control dials can be linked in dual mode, enabling both sides to be operated via the driver side dial.
Have a version 3. Already used v2l during 2 hour power cut. Long extension lead into house to run TV, router and fibre box used about 2% of battery. Getting 240 miles on a long mixed drive. Used ionity to charge and was only getting 43kw at 35% only downer on this car, fortunately don't do many long trips so not a deal-breaker.
16:52 I thought there was an option in the software to swap the knob functions on the EVAC / Infotainment system. There was on the previous gen Niro.
With the infotainment you simply *hold the button for 3 seconds* and it sets which screen, audio or econ as default. Set audio as default this way it always switches back to Audio after changing econ settings.
This info is buried in the owners manual 😉 Most aren't even aware. It's the same with all new Kia's with this switching screen infotainment/econ system.
Sorry Andy I'll disagree with the two-tone panel on the higher trim, I love it. Doesn't make it look like every other car on the road. I would get the two-tone model every time. Just had to check and the peak charge rate is 80kW and the battery is slightly bigger than the original eNiro giving the Niro EV every so slightly more range and is more efficient with a lower Cd than the original. I always love your reviews though guys, keep them coming. You've made me come back and reconsider the Niro EV again, toss up between it and the new BYD Atto3 that is available here in Australia. But hoping it gets to the UK so you can review it as well. Though BYD may give you a better warranty option than they have done here.
I just bought one in Utah (2023 Kia Niro EV Wave). I got the wave which is the top trim. It has the Harman-Karman system. The knob issue is not a thing for me because it needs to be easily accessed by the passenger for the dual-zone climate control. Love the car. I may be a Kia guy now.
Power delivery curve probably sensible - it's a little too easy to wheel-spin in the old eNiro, being FWD, although traction control does kick in. Other thoughts: with the driver safety features optioned you're unlikely to shunt-damage the charging port as the car will brake if it thinks you're going to hit something (don't ask me how I know!) Storage bin looks a bit smaller, wireless phone charger is tucked out of sight on the old model so you won't get your windows smashed if you leave your phone behind. Many old owners fitted after-market frunk/froot (and gas struts) - you just get used to pulling the bonnet release and you don't really get dirty once you know exactly where the bonnet catch is. Range, efficiency and boot space are great but that looks like quite a lot less space under the boot floor than the old model where it has been a life-saver for family holidays. Still a winner although it's a shame the refresh didn't include faster Rapid charging but the range does hit 300 miles in the Summer around town and vehicle-to-load is a big plus. Crap audio makes me cry - does it still have a sub in the boot? BTW once you connect your phone and use the steering wheel buttons for volume you don't need to reach that far button on the console. Isn't a heat pump always nice for efficiency? I wonder if it affects range.
15:26 you forgot to mention that it can sustain the peak charge current for longer than the previous model (and other cars) so it charges faster than competing cars with the same peak charge rate.
Great Review. Down to earth & good chemistry between the two lads. I loved the Darren Fletcher 😂 analogy. I ordered one yesterday. That’s what brought me to the review.
I'm just about to buy 2021 E-Niro, from a French KIA dealership, for €22K (£18,700). 21,000 miles. So it has 250 mile range and 4 years left on the Kia Warranty.
What's not to love about that? I'm trading my lovely Nissan LEAF (only because of range and Chademo) which has been the perfect runabout for 2 years.
I'm sold on EVs, sold on charging at home from Solar, and sold on the driving experience of EVs. I'm sold on the lack of annual servicing items (basically just screen wash).
I figure it will be my next car for the next 4 years at least. In 4 years I expect the EV industry to have moved to 400 mile range as standard, and battery technology to have improved by a generation. Whether or not I need to buy into that is another matter because a guaranteed 200 mile range was really all I was after.
I have an HEV 4 and you can switch the infotainment system power/vol button from left to right in the settings.
I love your review, I hope you do an updated one for the 2024 Kia Niro EV! I'd love to hear your take on the changes!
I bought the new 2023 kia Niro EV that charges the battery with the car engine rather than needing to plug it in to a station and wait to get it charged up again. I love the car so far, just takes some time learning what all the gadgets are and how to set settings on everything the way you want it! But that’s half the fun to me anyway! If you enjoy playing with gadgets you will love this car!
Best review I've seen so far chaps. Great shot of the aero back for people that don't care, I do 😂. Thanks for explaining the 2, 3 and 4 models so clearly. Cheers 👍
Another great review. As a 1.5 year Soul owner it's interesting to see what has been done. I really would have hoped that something could be done about the rapid DC charging, even with the current/older battery tech. 77kW wouldn't be a problem really, if it was able to deliver it *more often*, not just with the all the 4 battery modules at or over 25C. If you have been on the road for 250 miles or 3 hours I really don't mind if the car takes 30 minutes to take in a charge. Some cars will charge so fast that you would have to stop eating to go and move it off the charge point. What would be super useful would be to be able to get 50+ kW of charging as soon as you plug in, not charging at 20-30kW because of the cool winter battery temperature, only finally getting to 50kW when you've nearly finished and the speed gets throttled by the higher SOC. Taking in 50kW at temperatures of even 10C would make a difference so often.
Re reversing bongs - Yes, such a nuisance. Thankfully the Soul and earlier e-Niro have the VESS switch to turn off the Vehicle Engine Sound System which also mutes the bongs. For me that switch would be a deal breaker and has gone from latest models. God knows why Korea likes noise so much: the loud seatbelt warnings, the Telly Tubby welcome and turn-off jingle and the over loud VESS and reversing bongs. Heaven's sake, ICE cars are quieter!
In another forum someone drew attention to the fact that reversing bongs on cars (rather than bigger vehicles) don't appear to comply with UK regulations. Follow the link below, scroll down the page to "E CONTROL OF NOISE", under that we see "99.Use of audible warning instruments" - Click on that link:
(3) No person shall sound, or cause or permit to be sounded, on a road any reversing alarm fitted to a vehicle-
(a)unless the vehicle is a goods vehicle which has a maximum gross weight not less than 2000 kg, a bus, engineering plant, or a works truck;
Clause 99(3)(a) of The Road Vehicles (Construction and Use) Regulations 1986
www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/1986/1078/contents/made
www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/1986/1078/regulation/99/made
Nice review. I'm glad they're succeeding and getting better. I rented a '21 Niro EV for a month while my '99 Lexus SC (Soarer for you on the other side of the pond.) was being painted. It drove decent but was simply too small for me. I ended up selecting a '22 Mustang Mach-e about a month ago. Can't be happier.
Buying a 3 spec. I really like this car.
Good review but I keep highlighting the position of the rear indicators stuck on the bumper,not a good look.The previous Sportage was the same and looked ridiculous.Back to the drawing board Kia
Great review guys. We've had a Niro EV for a month now and agree with everything you said. Particularly like the fit and finish but wish it changed a bit quicker.
Tim. I think I get that same feeling with all smaller automatics like this replicates with it’s electric motor!
Fit and finish is better than in luxury brands, even tho materials aren’t that posh.
We have a 72 plate NiroEV 3. Our first EV. From the EV driving experience it’s just fine. Range is not a problem, performance is excellent, comfort and space is excellent, BUT, and it’s a massive BUT, the ‘tech’ is just full of glitches and bugs, parking sensors not working, front scanner’s forever ‘check your distance scanners’, check this, check that. Climate control both air con and heating failure. Local dealers been excellent in trying to resolve but it’s been sufficiently annoying and frustrating that we’ll take some convincing to consider Kia again😅
I got over 4.7 miles per kwh driving at 53mph in my 2011 Leaf today with 50 ish miles of range WOW A!! lol
We bought a Soul. Easy for my missis to get in and out. We love it and get the same sort of range as the Niro. Doesn't have the VtL function but we don't need that. And such a fun car to drive! Ours cost £36000 (well, cost the bank anyway).
In Portugal we get level 1 and 2, like before. To get better we have to import it, but it is cheaper, that if we buy new.
I have a kia soul 2016 the button that you can't reach are swappable in the software
and is replicated on the steering wheel anyway
Sorry I prefer the old model. What's wrong with having dedicated controls for heating, radio volume etc? Why do we have to choose a mode before selecting between ventilation / infotainment? Who has asked for imitation dial for speed and battery soc? Digital is more precise and easier to read. I like to sliding cover for the cup holder / storage area on the 'old' model and I think the armrest storage space is bigger too. Ours is due for new lease in 2 years. Old saying - if it aint broke, don't fix it. Unless they make changes to the new version I'm hoping there might be a few old ones about. - unlikely I know 😞Very useful review though - thank you. Might see you in Harrogate for the Fully Charged Show!
It looks a lot better than the previous, What I do like is it's ability to charge my solar batteries with free electricity. Shame they went for NMC CATL cells, for energy density. that's why I am leasing it instead of owning ;-). Got the 3 spec with that V2L ;-)
All reviewers miss a vital point. What is the towing capacity? Information needed for camping etc.
Totally right with the front charger. The most likely place to have a crash next to, obviously, the back. The best would be if the carmakers would only choose either back left or front right, so noone blocks the other - that does not only happen at SuCs but also often here in CZ at 50kW chargers which have rather short CCs cables)
just option the driver safety features and you'll be unlikely to shunt anyone
Got this car in top spec. Absolutely love it.
just a quick question i have ordered a kona 65kwh to be delivered in march my question is i don't have a home charger if say i charge for 57p kwh would that be 57x65 from empty to full or have i got it wrong sorry i really can't get my head around it thanks for reading
yep £37 for 100% charge, but to protect the battery one would normally try not to go too far below 20% and only charge to 80% so that's approx 39kwh =£22 for 156 miles (39kwh*4 miles p kw) hope that helps- of course long trips charge to 100% and I try not to go below 10% .. you will find that aircon and/or heater can reduce range by maybe 10%, as can wind / rain. but my guess is that you will love driving an EV. ( Tesco is now at 28p p kw )
@@trevorcoleman8826 thank you very much for your help
@@trevorcoleman8826 I believe the Niro uses LiPo batteries which don't need looking after in that way, although it sounds like they're changing suppliers so not 100% sure what model uses what
Was confident I was going for the 4 trim level. Though they've now stopped including the HK premium sound system which was annoying.
The other upgrades don't seem worth it to me so think I'll be heading for the 3 trim👍🏽
I like my music, so changing my e-Niro 4+ for a Niro EV 4 is not an option until they re-introduce the premium sound system back.
I still call it a facelift, size is the same, has same battery size and charging speed.
Also you forgot the megane e-tech similar price and range but alitle smaller.
From behind it's just a MK2 focus?
Dammit! You're spot on! A tall Focus!
Thanks
Many thanks!
Sorry just seen this.
For some reason they got rid of the glasses bin above the rear view mirror. I know it is a silly issue but that, the piano gloss and the low charge speed, really took the shine off car for me. I’ll wait for the next one….EV5 or IONIQ 4
... I should have thought the piano gloss would have ADDED a bit of shine..........!!
'all the car you need'.....isn't that exactly what cars SHOULD be!?
There's SUCH a lot of nonsense talked about cars ...
....this is great!!!
I live in France and have just ordered the Tesla Y rear wheel drive version at Euros 48000 which is less expensive than the top spec KIA Niro. There is no competition to the Tesla Y.plus you get the Tesla superchargers.
You also get a far right clown as an owner and people looking at you like you are an idiot…
This will be the new "second hand golf" I'm 5 years, bought one because you're right it's what I need and not what I want, might going by an SL and convert it while I wait til May for this bugger to arrive
Question for you two - Kia Niro EV or the MG esp the estate version?
Great review which highlights the learning curve in EV’s over the past few years 👍😎
The only real issue I noticed with the Niro EV was the amount of road noise.
Much louder than an ID3 for instance.
Darn. Thanks for that.
Will u be testing the fisker ocean just out interest EVM???
If they give me one.
This looks like a serious contender for me. I wonder what the supply situation is ?
My Niro EV 4 is 11 days old and I’m already having issues. The car often (3 times so far) refuses to move into gear. It seem it’s immobilised! I turn the car off and lock it then go back a few minutes later and it will start ok. Not good for a car that cost 43k
I’ve had this. Google “zombie mode”. In my case I used the app to start climate control during the recent cold spell. The issue appears to be that when you unlock the car (possibly using the door button) it doesn’t terminate the remote CC session. Consequently the car can’t be put in gear.
The issue resolves after 20-30 mins when presumably the CC session times out. I now make sure I use the app to switch off the remote Cc session before approaching the car.
Other than this, I’ve had no issues, and it’s a great car. I bought a 3, but wish I’d bought a 4 as that has the wing mirrors auto tilt when you reverse. This appears to be an undocumented feature, and seems to require the seat memory function that is only available with the 4 trim.
As an eNiro driver I've always thought that Kia designed their cars from front to back and got bored about three quarters back.
The back end of Kias is generally dull.
The eNiro and niro ev are perfect examples of this
Is it me, or are the controls on the steering wheel the opposite sides to normal ?
Based on my experience. It is just you.
Not a patch on the old one (in my opinion). It does look better, more modern and smarter. My old Niro would charge up to 280 miles (in winter maybe 250 miles), my new Niro I am lucky to get 225... Nowhere near the 285 as claimed! I have spoken to other Niro owners with the same spec as me, they all say the same... Does/has anyone get anywhere near the 285 miles?
Great review! Did you get to try the wired Apple Carplay? I have just got the Niro PHEV and the Carplay refuses to stay connected, seems a lot of people are seeing the same problem but Kia say contact Apple and Apple say not a problem their end! Tried many cables and different phones but no luck so far. ☹️. But I love my new car anyway! 😉
Oh no! I've the Niro EV and it works fine. That said, I've only used it on a handful of occasions since August.
@@ruadhbutler9143 let’s hope it’s not all of them then. Mine sometimes works for over an hour but yesterday it stopped 8 times during a 26 mile trip! All very frustrating!
@@TheUgleyCrafters silly question but do you have access to another phone and cable to try? I had that issue on my Soul and it was the charge port being full of pocket lint which was causing the issue when going over small bumps
@@stewardjames as I said, tried 2 different iphones plus original cable and various others with same result, run out of ideas. 🤔☹️
@@TheUgleyCrafters sorry yes, should have read it better! :-). Sorry short of saying ours is fine I'm out of ideas
Great video as per usual
I'm awaiting delivery on a Niro EV 4. Spec included premium sound system,; will I get a rebate?
Depends when you ordered. I think they only took it off recently.
I was going for the 4 but when they stopped the premium sound system, I went for the 3
@@pwr1990 Thanks - the dealer says they are no longer arriving with the premium radio and the price won't change - Ts & Cs
Ho Hum
Great review, this is looking like my next car next year , although the new Kona is due next spring depending on the current car issues , so sitting on the fence till then
Kona smaller boot if that's of relevance to you
@@Hyfly13 , I think the new one will be bigger I have a kona now it's a perfect size for me
I have one suitcase that will fill that bootspace! Will the back seat fold down? How much length between the back of the front seat and the inside of the boot? These things matter, much more than the colour or the shiny black plastic bits! How come James Steward can comment on it four days before this appeared in my list, half an hour ago?
You can indeed fold the seats down but the boot floor also lowers to give you more space. Glad you noticed my comment, they're all released as members only videos about a week earlier. Since I've saved a load based on advice I've picked up here I'm happy to support the channel with 99p a month :-)
@@stewardjames looks like a lot less space under the boot floor than the old model to me which would be a shame
Excellent review. Again. Agreed with every word. Also agree that the only criticism you can make is the odd non improvement in charge speed. Should be 120-150kW in this day & age. No need for the 800v system of the EV6/I5 which can often be too fast! No mention of road noise. Improved or not? I wonder if the Kona refresh will get the improved charge speed first? MM
I assume the reason for the charge speeds are due to the extra cost pushing up the price and making the car less affordable, as well as the Niro EV 4 spec competing with the basic spec EV6.
@@aloonatronrex3472 I kind of get that point but 120-150kW is now the standard charge speed at this price and size of car with all competitors cars. When travelling long distance and wanting to get a move on, this is just a bit too slow. Its brilliant efficiency makes up for that in most respects though.
If this was 4 years ago, I would probably had one.
I'm not getting one to replace my Model 3, and reduce my towing capacity by 160 kg.
A light color headlining - at last !
It's definitely a love it or hate it shape car. Time will tell if they did the right thing with this face lift.
Would of expected better charging though, falls short for today's ev speeds.
The Niro EV is the perfect upgrade from my trusty Hyundai Ioniq 28 kWh - it has a big battery with 3 phase charging and it can tow a trailer.
Only issue is that the price is 3 times the Ioniq, it is too expensive. I hope the Chinese EV invasion in 2024 will lower the price of it, then I would probably upgrade next summer.
If it did 800V charging like the EGMP platform then it would be perfect
NOTHING is perfect !
Life is a compromise.......
Me too, but I think there is a weight and drivetrain inefficiency penalty to pay judging by the ev6.
Is black Goss, Matt Gosses brother ?
He's the other other brother.
Inner London is now crawling with Niros. I think Uber now have a scheme to support the drivers to convert to EV. They are all over the chargers too, so this is the next stress point.
Great review lads
Great video guys👌
I had one on order and canceled it. Seats are not good for my 6f4 frame, the top sticks out in my back. Otherwise a great car, way more room in the back than an MG4.
that's a shame - I'm okay in the old eNiro although that's in the 4+ with the powered lumbar support. I could barely fit into an MG5 so I hope the 4 is better.
Whatever happened to CD players? I want a CD player, not an 'infotainment system'!
Welcome to 2010!
With the V2L you can take a full HiFi separates system and use that!
Managed a 50 mile road test of an eNiro, followed immediately by same using a Niro EV.
No doubt the new Niro is a vast improvement in almost all respects. With one exception - it is noisier (the 2 cars were an eNiro 4+ and a Niro EV4. - will they have to change that when the EV6's little brother the EV4 is releaased?). Definitely more road noise.
Also the Niro EV I tried had the KH audio system, and it is far better than the ordinary Kia system that was in a Niro EV3 I also managed to try. Pity they have had top drop it.
I was worried about the charging rate, but on thinking about our driving habits, most of our driving is relatively short distance, and charging will be handled by our home charger. For a long journey we never drive more than about 220 miles non-stop without stopping for elongated comfort breaks, which usually take about an hour, so as long as there is a working charger there it won't be a problem.
With regard to the MG4, I found that I have the same problem as with an ID3 and Tesla 3 - getting in/out and sitting down is awkward, as I have foot/knee issues. The Niro is about right, and the ID4/Enyaq too high. Also the MG4 I looked at at the nearest MG dealer was not impressive in the body seam gaps, and quality of interior.
We’ve had a Niro EV 3 for a few weeks now.
I’d totally agree with the road noise comment. It’s way too loud for a car edging up to £40K.
The comment that it’s competing on German/VW build levels falls down in cabin noise front alone.
Also not impressed with it refusing to go into drive on a handful of occasions now (only allows neutral to be selected) causing us to be late for children’s classes and work.
It does actually do wireless AA and Carplay. Much to the ire of EV6 owners.
Mine doesn’t. If I recall the base model has wireless CarPlay but not a wireless charger and the models up are the reverse. Ultimately you need both or neither. Of course that may have changed if they’ve managed to source the parts.
@@moisie23 That's so weird. That explains as we have a Trim 2. The odd thing missing from the Trim 2 (at least) is charge port locking.
The 3 certainly doesn’t.
@@IanMcc1000 do you mean cable locking into charge port? There should be an on/off button for that
@@Hyfly13 not on the trim 2, 2023 as far as I can tell. Manual says there's a menu option but it's not there.
It's not about the car...it's about the infastruture ...or lack of , also what happened to those promises of cheaper servicing ?....not the case
Servicing this is cheaper than the petrol version.
@@ElectricVehicleMan That's not what's being shown by EV users on TH-cam who are documenting their ownership , I am following a few on here
@@tobytroubs Which ones, post the links.
This video is a Kia Nero review so not even sure why you've commented about other stuff here?
@@ElectricVehicleMan th-cam.com/video/1kOTGEtjUdI/w-d-xo.html
@@ElectricVehicleMan My point is I like the idea of an EV but it seems one by one the advantages of them are whittled away by excessive pricing, claimed cheap running costs which fail to materialise and the the charging infrastucture is not there.From all i've seen and readthe best option is to have a solar setup at home with a battery....12k plus....which is ok if you are 40...but I'm 64
Great video
Well, if I trade in my Genesis, it will only take me 12 years to recoup the cost!
Before i watch this video as i been waiting on your views. I hope you address the 3 elephants in the room? Pony colours, price for v2&3 too high, and biggest slower charging spped than outgoing model ( ok only 5kw ) but still 2022 and really should be 150kw min
Ha! Soo....not exactly 'elephants' then.....!?
....more like mice, really.....
Well, unless you're one of those tedious, up themselves, car nerds who make a massive deal about largely irrelevant trivia....!
....you know the type - 'the shade of grey of the interior of the glove box is a deal breaker for me - I was nearly sick'...... !
sorry, but why would you buy an ID.3 over this?
The Niro is a great car we've run one for years and it's been flawless. But they've not moved this on enough & they've made it much much uglier.
It would take something very special to make me leave Kia, superb cars & they don't lie about range but would I trade in my old Niro for this? Doubtful. That says it all.
Funny isn’t it.I think this is a far better looking car than it’s predecessor!
Access to Froots on EV is ridiculous you can kind of understand it on this car as there is a hybrid and ICE variants but even models that are EV only don't treat them like regular storage like the boot . Come on manufacturers it won't take much time and effort or money to change it to a practical space for regular use
FFS piano gloss.
Since then we have the Renault Megane E-Tech.
Great video guys 😂
"Our econony is alright now" "Yeah" --- Literal LOL
But with no charging network anywhere near as good as Teslas and that its a bit … “boring”…(slower with less Tech) I would not have one over your Tesla3.
You will be paying Road Excise Duty on EV's as from the November Budget
And before long, ICE cars will be paying Clean Air Zone charges........
Don’t think that £140 will affect a £38k car decision that much.
@@ElectricVehicleMan not when you're already paying it on your ice car ......!
Probably from the year 2025-26, no worse than ever promised anyway.
Megan or Niro? That is our question.
I’ve ordered a Megane on that front. for me, it drives nicer. I personally prefer the styling of the interior and exterior. And I don’t need the extra space in the rear seats that the Niro offers.
This car just needed a quicker DC charge rate and a lower price tag. They cannot compete with Chinese guys unless they do something about it.
Are you missing the MG elephant in the room.. The MG4? Nearly 10 grand less...
Boot didn't look as good so we ordered a 3...
Smaller car really. Range significantly less.
Not a direct comparison.
@@ElectricVehicleMan I was thinking the difference will get me a tip/dog car for the rare times i need to carry more than a Golf size car plus a nice holiday or 2 :) MG4 also charges faster which means the smaller range is somewhat mitigated. I Sat in the New niro at fully charged this year, and tbh i think other cars have caught it up . When my company E-Niro is up for renewal in a year or so, not sure the new one (for me) will be #1 pick again. YMMV ofc :)
Thanks to Chinese government subsidies?
@@ElectricVehicleMan MG4 Trophy at £31.5k with 280-ish range rather than a Nero EV 3 at £38k with 280-ish range and slower charging? What in the name of the old Yorkshire Gods of prudence and common sense would justify the extra £6.5k the Nero EV 3 costs? The boot is bigger in the Niro EV, for sure, but is that worth all that extra brass?
I'd rather have a Soul. It's somewhat suspicious that the two are never compared. I *know* they're not being imported into the US, but even Channels that cover EV sales in other countries seem to be "Soul-haters".
Er, don't you mean they've got no Soul .......!!?
more useful boot shape than the Soul and lot less ugly ;)
All the car you need? Maybe not. My understanding is it takes 30-60 min for a full charge using fast DC charging because it can only do 72kwh. That's disappointingly slow by comparison to most EVs. It also does NOT come with a basic L1/L2 charger, unlike most EV's. So if you rent one of these you can't plug it in at your destination - you HAVE to go find a public charger. Annoying.
@@SuperReverbious 72kW yes but for most of the battery. Most only do 130kW for eg for a small part so it’s not as big as you think.
Boot too shallow for taxi work, mg5 works better.
It's not Darren Fletcher! It's PHIL NEVILLE!
He’s the Kona!
@@ElectricVehicleMan James Milner is the Soul !
300-mile commuting range?? That's bonkers. Why would anyone buy a fossil car now..?
I’d prefer James Milner over Darren Fletcher…
If I listen carefully, I can just make out that you guys are actually speaking English. Strange accent. Unlike my perfect version of English as spoken in rural West Texas, USA. 😉
Not as good as the MG zs lr for the price point and range.
but a nicer car
@@Hyfly13 I don't this so but that's down to personal choice. For me it's certainly not 5k nicer.
@@chrisdakin7941not sure what the state of finance is now, but if you’re buying on PCP a lot of that £5K may well be eaten up by a higher interest rate, as was the case when we looked into it.
The ZS was cheaper in theory but worked out to have higher monthly payments.
@@aloonatronrex3472 That is simply down to a interest rate and the deal you are able to get at the time and if you had equity in a p/ex. I priced up both, test drove both and the total opposite was my experience. The Niro, very nice car, was 5k more expensive, pcp was considerably more over a 3 year period, and p/ex was less. Still maintain what I said the Niro not
5ks better. And if you compare it to the new MG4 that's considerably cheaper still.
Stop buying electric cars everyone... We're not ready... still! Ok.. let me explain. Having followed the EVM story and gratefully followed and adopted advice on solar panels and home batteries, I took the plunge to grab an EV's. Away goes the Mercedes CLS motorway destroyer for a lesser branded model from Bavaria. Up until now the story has been good. Small to medium journeys are cheaper for sure although we're never going to recoup the purchase cost delta obviously. So this weekend was the big one. A meticulously planned trip to Scotland near Oban.
A stop at Gretna Green was unanimously the most reliable option given the several stations available however with the two Gridserve spots taken, I'd have to make my way up to the 4 expensive Ionity spots way away from the services near the filling station. But what's this? they're all full and 2 cars are waiting!
After a wait of 40mins I'm on charge for another 45minutrs myself. Ok.. against a coffee and a fuel stop I'm 1 hour down but it's a stressful hour in that there's no real order to the queue. You need to monitor and manage your position in the car park.
At this point my wife is questioning my sanity adopting EV's but I try to turn it around by carefully planning activities around known charging points. Also, I claimed, the journey up was a Friday morning so maybe lots of people are travelling back north for the weekend???
The journey home was to be the last straw though even though it was a Monday. After a good long run, the first stop at Abingdon on the M74 was to prove the predicted flashpoint.. both charging stations full and believing to the 3rd in line, an Audi driver slips in and causes havoc. A very shouty and swary dialogue ensues with him predictably claiming that he was waiting before everyone else but was parked way back over there etc... Upshot... Another wait to charge in the horizontal rain for over an hour.
Now I'm starting to agree with the wife that this is not necessarily the future.. due to the others now waiting I choose to 80% charge which forces me into a zap and dash. Might as well do it at the acclaimed Tebay services where you need to navigate to the northern side before arriving at the crappy Gridserve where... Yes you've guessed it .. there's another queue of 2 cars this time. I'm 8 hours into a journey now and need to wait another 35 minutes to get on a charger.
I've done the same journey in the diesel Merc in 4.5 hours. This is really not a good way to travel. Both the wife and I are absolutely all in and highly stressed. Hence, my initial statement. Don't add to the mystery. Stay clear of EV's until the infrastructure is there...The costs to charge quickly at 69p per kWh means your savings are questionable at best.
People need to know this before they take the plunge. Everyone in the queues claimed to be equally at the end of their tethers so unless somebody tells me that it's different elsewhere in the country then either don't go north or don't add to the EV charging mysery!
Or don’t buy German!
@@ElectricVehicleMan Agree that a certain megalomaniac owned US brand would have given better options but a chap in a VW ID was threatening to punch the lights out of a model Y owner that had 100% on the ionity charger and was nowhere to be seen.
you should plan to stop as early in the journey as will give you the required total range to avoid peak times - ideally before lunch, and always plan a site with mulitple chargers and a failover site a bit further on
@@Hyfly13 Thanks Daniel, I did both of those things but I guess we are so choked up that we are all doing that same thing. It will get better... I'm invested in it so I hope it does improve and soon but if I could reverse the clock, I would have stayed with fossil fuels. All I'm saying is that for now, we don't need more electric cars on the road until the infrastructure is in place to provide adequate charging on the main arterial routes. Also, we need to regulate such that the likes of Ionity don't keep on screwing us at each charge. I had notification that they're putting it up to 75p per kWh soon.