Audio | J. Krishnamurti & David Bohm - Ojai 1980 - The Ending of Time - Conversation 5
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J. Krishnamurti & David Bohm - Ojai 1980 - 5: The ground of being, and the mind of man
Series: The Ending of Time
Summary:
Why has having ideas become so important?
What is the difference between a religious mind and a philosophic mind?
What is the human mind’s relationship to the ground?
Why has man accumulated knowledge?
When you love somebody there is no ‘me’, it is love. In the same way, when I say I am humanity, it is so. It is not an idea, it is not a conclusion, it is part of me.
There is only one thing and that is to discover that what I have done is useless, ashes. You see, that doesn’t depress one. That is the beauty of it. It is like the Phoenix, born out of ashes.
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Krishnamurti tries again and again, he tries to find ways to make a conditioned mind see that it has always perceived from a frame of comparison, and thus the same frame cannot be used to perceive something absolute. He puts up questions over and over again, chooses very carefully the words,because the moment he uses words, its relative. And it paints an image created by thought.
He's asking how to achieve, a state where achieving is left behind.
Who is DM in conversation?
After their time, Mihaly proved their theory by writing about FLOW which is evidence that the peace they talk about can be achieve through FLOW by freeing your mind from the frame of psychological time
Very truly so. With the words he very carefully picks and brings out, he is making himself the precise mirror according to the occasion, what is at hand and the person... with never exhausting patience.
Sadly i think everyone commenting here as though they fully comprehend what is being said only do so intellectually, but not with any depth. It’s a depressing thought, but nevertheless true. I like listening to it but i know for a fact i dont comprehend shit or else i would be a different being
The depth goes beyond the understanding of those of this world, it is in this sense that he said that we had to leave the traces here for future generations perhaps some will be able to understand.
I agree completely that " I " self is just construct made because of conditioning, thinking, and memory but now what I do , what this me ( illusion) do ? I should just accept the fact that I am illusion but still feeling of self is existing
1:40 - Why have ideas become so important?
8:33 - How do I perceive the “ground”
25:05 - How can you aid me in seeing thought is meaningless?
47:35 - All your knowledge has no value
1:01:21 - Knowledge has only crippled me from seeing the truth
thanks
Thank you for sharing all these talks! Wholeheartedly appreciate. 🙏🙏❤️
When we understand what is said, there is automatically a change in the energetic frequency of the body, we become very sensitive. Arriving at this point normally the search ends, and the mind must “recognize this state of being” and let the revolution take place.
ok if we realize, that whole my mind is nonsense and meaningless.
now i feel happy and relaxed and waiting for my death ,then everything will end and everything will peaceful
In this specific discussion/video we shouldn't make any interpretation, I'm saying this because there are some comments using "pinpoint" words like *silence* *god* or *thought* I think we can all agree that using this words can confuse some of the viewers/listeners about what was really discussed in this marvelous dialogue.
Again thought always tries to interpret the words in the conversation and not stay with the fact
just think - a person who for more than 60 years of his life kept on waking people up from their slumber.
that care , compassion is just unfathomable.
need we more proof of the fact that this guy was conncted to that infinite energy source ..else a task of this magnitude is just unimaginable
What's the point of validating credentials of K?
Careful there, you are asserting proof so that we can idolize. He might be deceiving us. How do you know all his public talks aren't merely a scheme so that he can live a comfortable life from the donations of a gullible fellowship? Question everything!
then something new arises when we stop using thought. In the past video Krishinamurt says that insight appears when there is no movement of thought.
🙌🙌🙌🙏🙏🙏both have arrived on this planet to help us ❤❤❤
K is 🔥🔥🔥🔥 itself, can't be expressed in words,k only burns🔥🔥🔥🔥
That DM guy is no help. Unlike Mr. Bohm, he wasn't getting it and keep playing the scientist in him!
ok if we realize, that whole my mind is nonsense and meaningless.
now i feel happy and relaxed and waiting for my death ,then everything will end and everything will peaceful
It's like you are withdrawal from problem, scaping reality won't be Satisfying in The END
All the wise men or enlightened persons were selfless.
And they said, in one way or another, "Know yourself!"...
Do they know themselves?
Do I know myself that all my doings and thoughts have done harm to humanity, looking at the way the world is now? "I am the world, and the world is me."
And humanity is supposed to be the Master of the Universe... can that sense of responsibility be borne?
The center is an illusion, illusion cannot be related to that which is true. 40:49
Knowledge may be illusion in itself mind may be illusion😮😮
Reminding myself again n again 'You have never done anything like this before' Never ever.
listening anything properly is a big thing, and .. listening to this -- huge.
TO all who's lintning, remember, wat u r doing is an impossible task. with enough seriousness and alertness, the impossible will happen .
I guess the answer is ALLOWING ❤
Tremendous ❤
I love you guys
Love K's deep concern for the human condition and how.we must change if there is a possibility.
I would love to hear Bohm and Krishnamurti have this discussioned with minds that have not been so conditioned with knowledge.
Entity made of Maya cannot perceive the truth unless the center of the Maya as me gets blasted .
OK i get this now intellectually -
Yes at the end the new mind is the ground. In the first dialogue k mentions the particular mind, universal mind, emptiness and energy of it and then the ground.
That's how K seems to be referring that the new mind is the ground.
Ego is a tenant can’t sell / renovate the house! Whatever u hear , listen to if it becomes knowledge when it makes to say : I get it but how I can go it. Then that knowledge is extra addition to previous entity “me”. Actually u hv to see that trap that’s it! Trap: me can’t think it’s way out because it’s (the culprit of ) self deception.
It is the fire from within whose words we may hear in this conversation
an interesting aside, the way K baulks at anything said which leads mankind astray is remarkable ..
similarly, I have also noticed the same thing with the interviews with allen andersen ... his immediate reaction when anything suggested by the interviewer seems a distortion ( or deviation ) ..Its like when one touches something sharp .ones finger retracts instantly
I think this is an extreme level of awareness or sensitivity if u will . a mind so taut that will not tolerate even the slightest hint of untruth. I dont know how else to descrbe
super
though that can not be said in words ..k has done it so beautifully . hats off k.
even though intellectually i can comprehend but as he said in his book
description is not described.
yes sir u have done it in me. though can not comment upon xy or z....huge thanks k
Wow. Best 😍 JK 🙏
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