Audio | J. Krishnamurti & David Bohm - Brockwood Park 1972 - Dialogue - On intelligence
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J. Krishnamurti & David Bohm - Brockwood Park 1972 - Dialogue - On intelligence
Q: Thought is a material process. What is the relationship between that and intelligence?
Thought is mechanical, measurable, a movement in time. Is intelligence mechanical, in time?
Does intelligence use thought?
Thought is a pointer. Without intelligence the pointer has no value.
Politically, religiously and psychologically thought has created a world of tremendous contradiction and fragmentation.
Can life be guided by intelligence and lived in harmony?
The desire for intelligence has created the image of God.
Thought must be completely still for the awakening of intelligence. You come upon it when you see the whole.
The quality of a mind that sees the whole is not touched by thought. Therefore there is perception and insight.
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Bohm is a great counterpart/interpreter for K. He is really good at framing these brilliant but loose understandings into modern and coherent “metaphysics” - that actually fits into his concept of reality (underlying structure of the universe - from the point of view of Physics)
awesome these are all needs to be translated and represented all around the world
J Krishnamurti sir consiousness is supreme
That which is in the realm of time - thought, is trying to understand something that is totally beyond the framework of time. Almost impossible, it feels.
Not almost, it is impossible because it is not of thought.
It's not impossible, we only have to realize that because our perception is limited does not mean it's incorrect.
Thanks for this. I think this is the first of 12 parts - 'The future of humanity' - can you please post the remaining 11 parts if you have them?
I think it is a good idea to mention about the related book title, if any when any new audio or video is uploaded.
Hi Adam. This is a one off dialogue, it doesn't belong to a series. 'Future of Humanity' is a two-event series taking place in 1983; you can watch it here th-cam.com/play/PL1n30s-LKus4p0NpxNLKTLExuIqPMPqDI.html
Pradeep Kumar there's no book for 'future of humanity'
J. Krishnamurti - Official Channel thanks that's the two first conversations in 1983, do you have access to the remaining 10?
I am afraid there is no record of 'Future of Humanity' being a 12-part series. Could it be you are thinking of the series 'Ending of Time'? ( th-cam.com/play/PL1n30s-LKus4MyNuceRoFAes5teZS_guW.html ) If you could share where you got your information from, we could investigate further.
Its facinating to listen how Khrishnamurti sounds like a little boy who is full of enthusiasm... it sounds like think he really enjoyed having these discussions with Dr. Bohm
Whereof one cannot speak, one must be silent. Wittgenstein puts it simply. The unconscious energy will arise once consciousness ceases. Understanding and insight suddenly comes to surface once the conscious is absent. That's the core of meditation, and that's how to cultivate intelligence. I think that's the bottom line of this conversation.
1:23:10 "I am listening to you (unconscious mind) not to the words which were abused but to the meaning, to the inward quality of your feeling which wants to tell me something, I think that changes me not all that verbalization"... I wonder was that a pointer towards understanding the Energy(pure consciousness)? My understanding is: I am an unconscious being and knowing thought cannot be stopped and all my realization is being filtered by thought and that is why i can nnot realize the whole(Energy) with the fragments(Thoughts). But if my mind stops, be quiet understanding the futility of understanding the Whole with the fragments then something happens. In the J.K's above metaphor I find it like the effort towards understanding the Whole, by the fragment, is the unconscious mind who is listening to only the words but when the unconscious mind stop listening to the verbalization and focus on the inward quality (silence) only then could it (Whole) be manifested...... Can you please clarify me if im getting it?!?
Concious mind is analyzing the words, just verbally. Unconscious mind sees the whole content of words, which cannot be mentioned, described. What K says is that words by themselves won't change you (as our conscious mind is a barrier), only when you are talking to that unconscious mind, this can see the real message you want to give, which he says it is love.
Great Thanks you
Thanks
for the time being 1:30.05. I was source
That's your image.
This is only one recording? If there is another list where one can find? Please elaborate
What is the source? You can't find it through thought.
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To say that there is un inteligence is same like saying there is non violence...
So in c++ thought is a pointer to intelligence. Which can be dereferenced. But if the pointer is null it return a nullptr exception, and that is the cause of the suffering in the world
That could mean Intelligence is highly advanced life that has created us through their version of programming.
18:10 quietness of the brain though is intelligence......... Two are not separate
Dr Bohm says his watch is wrong at the last
Wonderful picture and talk, thanks!
The assuption that non harmony is a real exisstence, is wrong.becouse non harmony is part of a grater harmony.
Can anyone tell summary....?
Has anyone dialogued successfully?
Is podcast also available? Kind regards, Jan
Hi Jan, thank you for your comment. I am afraid we don't offer audio in podcast form, but it's definitely something we are considering for the future.
Great dialogue somethinh to ponder on
.. where-ever your are now sir .. J Krishnamurti sir .. Thank you
Revolutionary. Thank you.
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Mind is a metaphor for the patterns in the brain. This understanding answers all related questions.
This is part ONE of 1972 dialog. I am not able to find part TWO however. There is a part TWO in TH-cam, but that says 1980 dialog (where I couldn't find part ONE of it as well!). Can some help me out of this confusion please?
Thank you for your comment. There is no part two, this is a single dialogue. Hope this helps.