Naming Your Interstellar Empire
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- Perhaps the most important aspect of a nation’s identity is its name. So why is it that there are so many examples in science-fiction of names that make no sense?
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The Templin Institute I don't know if you were sarcastic at that part about the "democratic people's republic" truly showing that they're a government of the people. But I laughed.
Also, feudalism in sci-fi? Like Dune? Or Klingons?
I feel like I should point out that the name 'United Federation of Nations' is actually a UN equivalent from the anime Code Geass
Would "United Human Council" work as a good name ?
Does Confederation of sovereign colonies work?
You should do more episodes on sci-fi government names and if the name matches the government. If not what would be a better name.
"So you want to join the Alliance of Awakened Nations, huh? How woke are ya?"
"Pee is stored in the ba-"
"YOU'RE IN."
poop is stored in the buttcheeks
Tears are stored in the eyes
@@zakaltan-euskaldunen_enjoyer Technically true
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True is when things are correct
@@janusceasar7851 depends on what you define the as the eyes. Is it just the eyeballs or does it include all things that aid with vision? That would include the tear glands.
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Well done!
I haven't made it that far :( but I love your stuff! I'm basing a new Stargate series of you guys :) (links to your channel will be included naturally ;D )
proud of you.
I'm leading a Earth base empire in Stellaris its called the Terran Republic Empire we're a military dictatorship we elect are Emporer after the other dies from the military we use a lot of Xeno slave labor and only humanoid xenos are treated as Terran we control 1567 out of 2000 systems and rest of the galaxy are nothing but our vasilies states
The Templin Institute this was meet. I like what you said about empires. An empire in the traditional sense could never really work in sci-fi
I actually made one before but made sure that it had context.
In it the empire was built during conflict as they built by unifying or conquering all the warlords In Their region of space. They also faced external threats that required martial power to defend against.
As for government they had a society that values intelligence and skill so one could gain or lose nobility due to personal ability. They also had a senate that could challenge the nobles if needed.
"A nation isn't called the federation of lakes"
Chad: "Let us be henceforth called chad, named after this lake, also known as chad, which means lake"
“Look at this chad it means lake”-bill wurtz
Montenegro:
Vatican City, capital of the catholic church and one of the last city states to actually exist in the modern world today:
And Montenegro also
He follows that with Mountains which made me go right to the Mountain Autonomous Soviet Socialist Republic, and before that the Mountainous Republic of the Norther Caucasus. I get what they meant, but it is silly in hindsight given how many real countries break that rule so flagrantly
The Rebel Alliance is also used well considering it's truly made up of a ton of small cells organized under the main Alliance banner
IIRC, their official name is "Rebellion to Restore the Republic"
@@Barri2410 “Alliance to Restore The Republic”
@@christophersalinas2722 ah, yes. Thanks
This works precisely because it's not a sovereign government. It's a military hierarchy intending to turn rule over to an actual government after completing its task.
Alliance to Restore the Republic.
But what about the Republic of Dave?
Clearly a form of satire. They have a democratic form of government but everyone votes for the same individual.
WTH happened on Planet Bob that it became the Republic of Dave???
I mean, they're the sole remaining bastion of democracy in the wasteland, so they can't be that bad.
Well it can't be that great if the leader's father is a butterfly!
Reminds me of the Bobiverse. Maybe everyone is just a copy of Dave?
* *STELLARIS INTENSIFIES* *
read my mind
I will enslave your pops if you take the same logo that I use.
Way to true to be funny
* *EXTERMINATUS INTENSIFIES* *
forgive me [species], but i must dim my viewscreen, as your appearence is repulsive
M.A.R.C.: "If your nation is supposed to have a tyrannical central government, maybe don't call it a league".
Classical Athens: "Watch me".
You probably know this, but it was technically (very VERY technically) a democratic union.
I see you are a well read man. I salute you as I was going to mention this too.
I mean "Delio-Attican League" is a name made up by historians. The city-states which were part of it called it the "συμμαχία", which means "Alliance"
Laughs in Democratic People’s Republic of Korea
@@hexcss9153 The democratic people's republic of korea is like the holy roman empire. As the HRE was niether holy, nor roman, nor an empire; the DPRK is neither democratic, of the people, a republic, or of all korea
Dare I say it...
The Holy Human Empire
The Holy Human Empire was neither Holy, Human, or an Empire.
@@polishplanetpursuer4772 except human, all are humans non humans don’t exist in fact non humans never existed! (Edit: Punctuation)
The Holy Imperium of Mankind Legion
@@asaifaji sounds hot
That's what happen when you let Taboritsky colonize the space
A democracy can also be an empire.
In the early 20th century Britian was a fully fledged democracy but also held huge colonial possessions and ran an empire
Lee Jenkins Exactly! Not to mention a Constitutional Monarchy with Queen Victoria as the head of the Empire and fountain of Honor and Pride. As well as a functioning Aristocratic class which served in Parliament, Armed forces, and Colonial Officials.
Yes, but this is due to weird ceremonial dynastic laws. The king/queen of Britain was also emperor/empress of India. Britain had a democratic system. India did not. They were still part of the United Kingdom though.
The French Republic had colonies and the Republic of the Netherlands did also.
There was never actually an entity called 'The British Empire' though. That was just the term used to refer to Britain and her various colonies, dominions, and territories, etc... Ergo, there was a British Empire but it never actually called itself that.
Gerishnakov It was an Empire ruled by Great Britain ergo British Empire. You are right in the sense that it was not a formal State named British Empire, but the Empire ruled by the British was called and recognized by others as the British Empire. Just as it is now known as the British Commonwealth or formal Commonwealth of Nations.
You should've included "kingdom" as many countries today still use it in their official name. And that is for historical reasons. Like, I don't remember hearing it's use in a sci fi name. It would be cool.
Star Kingdom of Manticore
@@UndeadEmpire472 Well, I honnestly don't know where that is from.
@@nathanaelsallhageriksson1719 the Honor Harrington series. Basically Horatio Hornblower IN SPACE!
“Nations on Earth aren’t named geography”
Iceland: ._.
Greenland: ._.
Iceland: should we-
Greenland: *don’t Iceland*
In this case, they're named after the name of the region they're in. Something like calling a star nation the 'Orion Arm Republic' or 'Messier Cluster Empire'
Lord Inquisitor Uh... South Africa
@Bungle Booce he's just saying there are places on earth named after locations.
Australia literally means bottom of the world.
Long Island
Japan/Nihon(Sun rise kingdom) because the sun rose on them first before America was discovered.
Haiti means mountainous land
Norway means northern way(if that counts, more of a direction then a land feature)
Republic of Congo is named after their River
Brazil is named after a tree
And Antártica is “opposite of the arctic”
So when you say countries/places aren’t named after their geographic features well...
Iceland does have Ice though. And Greenland does have some Forests.
"empires are ineffective and outdated". Well that sounds like heresy to me. Time to fire up the exterminatus!
no u
Rathcore 18 stfu heretic
Isn't one of the major characteristics of the Imperium of Man that it's a bloated mess that is constantly on the brink of collapsing into itself, were it not for the outside threats that allow this behemoth to direct the internal pressure at them.
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, not that I'm supporting Monarchs, but the Imperium of Man is a bloated mess because they lost the emperor, not because they had one.
mosteel88 But, they had to have had an emperor in order to lose one, which is kind of the point. The biggest flaw with most traditional, monarchical/dynastic forms of government is that they concentrate most, if not all, power into a singular point. That type of government can be useful, particularly when a state is faced with some sort of existential crisis and can't afford to get bogged down with political red-tape, legislation, and constantly having to receive approval from the legislature. The Imperium of Man was born out of necessity, after all.
But, it still fell to the pitfalls of most empires.
I think a name like "Federation of Earth" can work for an interstellar civilisation, if you deliberately want to depict a government that is terrancentric in its policies and outlook.
A neo-colonialist faction, that rules from earth, with its interstellar holdings being mere colonies, could be an intentionally positive name for what is in essence an informal empire
@@TargunYssboern ...or it could mean a nation that came into being at a ceremony that was held ON Earth.
HPA = Human Planets Alliance
french republic : "laughs in imperialism since the 1500's"
usa : "laughs in manifest destiny and foreign conflicts"
UN : "LAUGHS IN FUTURE COLONIZER OF THE SOLAR SYSTEM"
I think it has more to do with rather or not there are rivals.
Humans don't see themselves as one because there is no one else like us. An identity can only really exist if you have something else to compare to.
The Trade Federation was made up of a "coalition" of different trade corporations and worlds, which is where the "federation" part of the name comes in. Furthermore, the "viceroy" of the Trade Federation got his title from his home planet, not from the Trade Federation.
I would've just chalked up the Trade Federation's name as a "Democratic People's Republic of Korea" type of situation in the form of a megacorp trying to make their organization sound more democratic than it actually is in order to score some PR points via propaganda. But that explanation works as well.
@@k9thexv630 Agreed, "Ruthless Warmongering Corporate Weapons Cartel" has a certain appeal but it doesn't seem like it would be recognized as a legitimate national polity.
I can’t tell if you like Star Wars.
Also are they a alien fraction which he stated that he Won't cover in this video?
Yup, pretty much.
''empires go into a state wide crisis if their emperor dies without succesion''
imperium of man: what if your emperor is imortal and also godlike
*loophole aquired*
Also, the head of government is the Regent/High Commander.
The God Emperor merely serves as the head of state.
roman empire : even the poorest general can be imperator! WE HAVE INFINITE IMPERATORS!
the Imperium doesn't go to an stade-wide crisis
It *IS* a state-wide crisis
@@pendragon0905 In fact, the God Emperor is de Jure (legaly) both head of state and governement, but is unable to lead du to his injuries. The Primarch Robute Guilliman, who is both Imperial Regent (civil leader) and Lord Commander of the Imperium (military leader), merely runs the Imperium in the name of the God Emperor, being de Facto leader of the Imperium, until his father either dies for his injuries or his healed.
@@AntoineSojicYT
Actually, even when the God Emperor was active, he spent his time in science rather than governance.
"You can't have a republic and have an Emperor at the same time!"
First French Republic: HON HON HON, VIVE' LE EMPREUR NAPOLEON!
Napoleon actually created the First French Empire when he was crowned - sorry, when he crowned himself emperor.
@@elsauce4873 exactly
@@dvdmr9981 do I witness a fellow Oversimplified viewer?
@@elsauce4873 I watch oversmilified sometimes but my knowledge comes basically from books and history channel.
Rome:Amateurs!
A monarchy isn't always doomed to a power struggle every time a monarch dies, succession laws exist for a reason.
Power struggles don't spell disaster necessarily either. Oftentimes the greatest leaders are the ones that emerge from such struggles, harder and stronger than ever before.
Yeah, that statement is as wrong as saying "democracies are doomed to a power struggle every time someone's term ends". Yeah, sometimes. There've been civil wars because the losing candidate didn't want to step down. Even now there's people in the US insisting that Hillary Clinton is the real winner of last elections. But as long as due process is being observed, the country should be safe.
And in Science Fiction there are plenty of workarounds when it comes to monarchy.
In the Sten series by Cole and Bunch, for instance, the empire is ruled by the Eternal Emperor. He started off as an engineer who figured out a way to fuel starships, then applied that knowledge to other things, such as power plants and weapons. He kept control over the material’s manufacture, becoming incredibly wealthy as a result. Anyone who duplicated his method was sued out of existence, and it is implied that when organized crime tried to get a piece of the action, he financed ruthless extermination of such groups.
He then turned his vast wealth to cloning technology, memory recording and uploading, and life extension. Once those technologies were perfected, he kept them secret. So he has long life, then if he gets sick, old, or is assassinated, another clone is activated with new memories installed and he carries on ruling.
He’s also smart/practical enough to allow both gray and black markets to exist, which work as safety valves. People will rebel, so he contains and directs their rebellion.
That’s just one example. There are also hive minds or android bodies or other forms of life extension one could employ to plausibly have an empire.
This was an interesting read. Thank you.
Laws aren't always absolute especially when someone has enough power behind them. Many medieval nation has solid succession laws, but all it took was a person with a big enough army to get their way. It happen in Russia with Empress Catherine, even though her husband was the rightful ruler, she forced him to advocate when almost everyone in Russia wanted him out even though I'm all intents and purposes she forced him out of his position.
You made no reference to the most likely thing to be used in naming a nation: geography. For example, did you know the spiral arms of our galaxy have names? We live in what is generally know as the orion arm. So if you don't want to rely on references to earth or humanity then why name your nation something like the Orion Federation.
'Ello Guv'ner What I was thinking.
problem is that includes the entire arm. its like calling the british empire the Empire of Earth
@@EthanThomson or referring to China as East Asia. Orion Federation sounds cool tho, ngl.
confederate states of orion arm
@@EthanThomson Are you denying humanity's birthright to rule the Galaxy?! If anything, Orion Federation is far to constrictive! May the Emperor smite you!
“If you want a tyrannical central government, don’t use league”
5th century Athens: am I a joke to you?
12:59
Templin: *refers to United Nations Space Command as UNSC*
The United Nations Security Council: Am I a joke to you?
@@pi1523 the entire UN is a joke lol
@@Bob-lr2xp I mean, China is one of the more powerful nations on earth. Why shouldn’t they get a seat, they aren’t western enough?
@@Bob-lr2xp yeah, and I’m not defending China, but the point of the UN is for every nation on earth to be represented. Even China.
@@Bob-lr2xp the seat was originally offered to India(multiple times). But our dumbass of a prime minister at that time, Nehru refused it and instead supported china for the seat.
Ummmmm, yeah.
If I'm not mistaken, the Trade Federation was called so because it was built up of many worlds with huge amounts of of business and trade who worked together for mutual gain. Nemoidia was one such world and it's individual form of government included the title of viceroy, who most likely brought the most to the table and was therefore elected to represent the Trade Federation.
Zach Siltanen If I'm not mistaken, they're based off of the Japanese "Zaibatsu" concept.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zaibatsu
I always assumed it was a federation of planet-owning corporations which came together as a cartel/alliance. But that's partly because I forgot one of their leaders was called a Viceroy.
Yep, just wanted to add that the "Viceroy" thing also makes sense when you consider that the Queen of Naboo was a popularly elected official with strict term limits. In SW, monarchial titles do seem to be used differently.
Kinda like Viceroy of Spain or closer to British East India Company who is a corporation with their own army and government in exchange for goods from their territories?
Actually the name of the Martian state does have a precedent in Earth's history. The USSR is a short for Union of Soviet Socialist Republics with "Soviet" standing for the name of the parliament "The Supream Soviet". It directly translates to "Congress" or "Council" in English. Knowing that, you can see where the name "Martin Congressional Republics" comes from. I reckon if they put "Union" in front of it, it would be a bit too obvious what Mars actually represents :)
Eltaccos Neczy I think they are. Mars is not directly the USSR, but it is close. Consider, they are portrayed as semi-authoritarian and communalist. We never heard anything about Marian corporations or private businesses. Casually militaristic - check. What is added, I think, is the American frontier spirit, however, if they ware a 1:1 copy it would be boring.
To me, it seems, that MCR is a mix between the early USA and the USSR, while the UN is a mix between the present day US and the old colonial empires of Europe
The Articles of Confederation (1777) went to some lengths to assure the populace that the government of the proposed Confederation would be limited in the extreme, for example every time "the United States" was mentioned in the text, "in Congress assembled" was suffixed to it without fail, as if to claim that the government existed when and only when Congress was assembled--a part-time government (hence "sessions of Congress") with extremely limited powers. Under such a model, Trump would be "not my President" for all citizens, having rulership only over the Congress.
It is possible that the Founders of the original Mars Republic felt that a return to the roots of American political principles was necessary, and explicitly written, to ensure that the new Republic would not decay in the same manner as the old, with nominally opposing Congressmen and Senators instead combining to consolidate power, but would maintain the sovereignty of the individual. And then history did repeat itself, and Congress did gain power to match its o'erweening pride and arrogance. So that what had started out as a Tea Party experiment became an imperialist, expansionist, militarist government, much like the United States between the War Between the States and the rise of the Corporations. As to whether Martian corporations will be mentioned, that depends largely on further developments of the Transport Union, though I would suspect that the Martians have a large, if veiled, interest in the Tycho Manufacturing and Engineering Concern.
I don't think it has to do with the USSR.
I think they went with "Martian Constitutional Republic" because the initials "MCR" rolls off the tongue easier than "MR" (say "MCR Forces" and "MR Forces" a few times and I think you'll see). And that doesn't address the traditional abbreviation for "mister."
That is wrong.
"The United States in Congress Assembled" is the rarely used official name given to unicameral legislative body created by the Articles of Confederation. It was more commonly still referred to as the Continental Congress. It appears so frequently in the Articles of Confederation, because the Articles where the official document that created the United States government, and since the Continental Congress is the only organ of government created in the Articles of Confederation, the document is almost entirely about the powers and function of "The United States in Congress Assembled".
There are multiple points in the Articles of Confederation where the United States is mentioned without "in congress assembled", most obviously in Article I: The Stile of this confederacy shall be, “The United States of America.”
Thank you for the correction. But I still think that in the context of Martian Government, there is a good argument to be made in my argument's favor.
Well, a name can very well represent the history of a nation. So, if a state is born out of an Empire and established during its existence colonies on several planets, it very well can be a "Kingdom" without being a monarchy.
For example take the "Herzogtum Lauenburg", an administrative district in Germany, and far from alone. It roughly translates into "Duchy of Lauenburg", yet there is no Duke of Lauenburg at the moment, and the last official one (Bismarck) was gifted the title without any associated power over this region. So, this region keeps this name and also kept the official coat of arms as symbol for the region.
So the name has nothing to do with how politics work, but with the legacy of the region.
Funny thing I had to argue with someone was, that he couldn't accept that a fictional nation elected an Emperor/King rather than a President for a legislative period. Just the same, this is just a title and may not say anything about what kind of power the person holding the title actually has. In some form "Emperor"/"King/Queen" as title can be interchangeable with "President".
Key is, that if you create a culture in any given project, be it sci-fi or fantasy, its not the names which must fit modern definitions, but the names and their definition must fit the world they are created for.
If a nation was named "Empire" at some point, why would it need a renaming, if the shift in politics and ethics came peaceful and natural through time and not through an uprising/revolution or by being overthrown?
If a "United Nations of Earth" was founded during a time, when colonies were just at their smallest beginnings or even before that, without colonies, the name makes perfect sense.
@VulpesChama exactly, him malding around 7:48 seems pointless exactly because of this
I think you forgot Dominion, since this is in many concepts in Science Fiction
As I understand it, Dominion is basically the same as empire.. at least, that's the general usage.
Ah. I see. Thanks for sharing.
victory is life!
However, in Latin "dominion" means something along the lines of "possession", "ownership". With such a reasoning, "Human/Earth/Terran Dominion" may indicate a state/international organization representing Humanity.
Would that be the same as a hegemony?
Ok... So about the empire thing. Empire does not mean that the head of state makes all the decisions. The Roman, British and German empires all had highly advanced bureaucracies and Germany was THE most advanced state in the world during it's existence. Empires usually have highly advanced administrations where the sovereign let's the day to day affairs be administrated by smaller organs some even with some form of democratic representation. More often than not Empires are autocracies and the Emperor/Empress can be a mere symbolic figure. If the the sovereign does have highly centralized power there are numerous way to ensure a strong succession:
1: Inheritance is through designated adoptive heirs, as Augustus did.
2: Ensure the emperor have an enormous amount of children through harems, and then let them assassinate each other to decide the heir. As the Ottomans did.
Then there's the sci-fi options:
The Emperor is immortal/cyborg/machine.
The heirs are biologically engineered or enhanced.
The heirs are clones.
And many many more options.
Nothing prevents empires from having elements of meritocracy, especially considering that Democracies often have issues themselves with meritocratic inheritance of power, be it corruption or simply the voters being unable to vote for an efficient leader.
Theres one Problem with the "German". The "Heilig Römische Reich deutscher Nationen" thers no "empire" word in it. Its jsut poor ..... Translation that got Stuck. So the "Holy Roman Empire of German Nations" wasnt really an Empire in the Name. The Word "Reich" means more Like Teritory. First it was the "Regnum Teutonicum" later on it got the "Sacrum Imperium". Gotta Love my History Teacher for those intense detail on german History (as a German ofc).
A better example for your case would be the Chinese Empire during certain dynasties. Western bureaucracy was influence (whether highly or loosely, it's both to be exact for different aspects) by the Chinese system during the 1700s to 1800s when Sinophilia was at an all time high in Europe but also due to it's relative efficiency in ruling a nation where a single province can be as large as the largest European country (excluding colonies). Chinese imperial bureaucracy was also highly based on meritocracy, although there is no denying it could get corrupted later on, but there are more than enough examples of peasants becoming high ranking officials, generals and even emperors to prove that meritocracy is highly valued in Imperial China. There are also records of some form of democracy during certain periods where people get to vote for their village chief and in some cases town/city "mayors".
But all in all, you are right, empire does not automatically means a dictatorship but mostly represents highly centralised bureaucracies.
Thats the negativ point for the Detailed German history. We had to let out other stuff. As Example WW1 was one school year and WW2 the same. sSo we let out lot of Historic Events to learn more than jsut "there was the Holy roman empire and 1871 it was gone"
But mostly i choose the "Holy Roman Empire" because f the Translation problem that "Reich" doesnt mean Empire. "Imperium" is the German for Empire. And Im Sure other Languages got the same Problem with poor Translation leading to misunderstanding.
But yeah your Example is a better one and nice too cause i learned something new for me. Thanks
Hello Kaitan. I'm NOT speaking about the HRE, I'm talking about Der Deutsche Kaiserreich. Empire is an anglican word that was created to reflect the roman empire. The title of the sovereign of the roman empire was Caesar. Kaiser is a direct germanification of that word. Whether the nation itself was called an empire in german, is quite frankly inconsequential, because administratively they absolutely were.
But the Kaiser in the "Kaiserreich" didnt had that much Power. There was the "Reichstag" with politicians elected by the ppl. The "Bundesrat" where the 20+ (dont remember exactly how much sorry) States did send Representatives. and those two made Reichs Laws. Otto Von Bismark made the "Reichsverfassung", the Constition. And it stated that the "Reich" (which reminds me Realm is the Word for Reich XD) cant overrule the Constituion of the States. The States didnt even had an "Standard" form of Government. Some still had "Fürsten" (Nobleman?) some were Republics. And Every State had its own Set of Laws (Constituion "Verfassung") to ground new Laws on. The only Power The Kaiser really had was Military. He was Head of Military and even could Decide the Etate for it (How much money per year for Army Navy) and even There it wasnt "fully". Cause Bavaria and Würtenberg had the "reservatrecht" (i believe thats what its called) which stated the Kaiser only could get theyre Armies in War Times. But the Army was allowed to Act inside of the Country. So If you say the Kaiser had Full control you basically say it was a Military Dictatorship.
So alot of States with own Lawsystems and different Types of Government came Together. Seems more like a Federation.
And they came together while at War with France. So it was more like a necessity to have an Coordinated Military agaisnt an common enemy. Dont forget France was back then stil lthe "Erb und Erzfeind" (Heritage- and Archenemy roughly Translated). Little Fact the Reason the Eagle looks to the left is for That. Always Watchfull to the Archenemy.
In the HRE the Kaiser had more Power. If let say Brandenburg attacked Saxonia and took Land. The Kaiser could take the Land and give it back to Saxonia. If Brandenburg in this "Story" trys to hold the Land, the Kaiser could call to Arms so all "German" states had to follow to attack Brandenbrug. So HRE the Kaiser could make Laws, Control Army and Control the Borders of the States. Thats seems more like an Empire. Thats why i thought you meant that.
But ofc The Kaiser there was more like a Puppet. Elected by "Kurfürsten" and had always try to hold the Balance and dont make all States his Enemy cuase there where his Power.
Sorry for that long Post.
I’ve heard Empire defined more as “A government that rules over diverse peoples and/or lands, usually by force” By this argument, Rome was an Empire even before it had an emperor and the United States is an Empire today. So an Empire doesn’t need an Emperor or hereditary monarch at all.
"United Federation of Nations", you call most titles and names bland, yet this is probably by large the MOST blandest of bland names for a nation I've ever heard: it's redundant and incredibly generic. Also, nearly all nations on earth are named around geographic locations. United States of America, East Timor, both Koreas, Oriental Republic of the Uruguay (which is a double geographic meaning, since it refers to the country being east of the Uruguay river), both Congos, Nigeria and Niger, India and many others.
I believe that was the intention.
The Koreas actually werent named for north and south. They are the Democratic People’s Republic of Korea and the Republic of Korea.
@@praeposter But in both cases named after the people who live there and the peninsula they live on.
Ever heard of multi national united?
Any kind of united earth government would have to have a fairly bland and generic name, at least until politics around it change
the name of my empire would be "I came to chew gum and kick ass, and I am all out of gum" Kind of long but very indicative of what I wish to accomplish
My Empire's name is short and simple, not meant to associate a single person or system.( because my empire is also a multidimensional empire as well)
>Empire will lose out to meritocracy
>Because those are mutually exclusive
It isn't like the first 'meritocratic' state was imperial China. Or the fact the German Empire became one the most advanced states in the world leading in science and statecraft (it was imperial Germany that gave us state pensions).
Germany never called itself empire though, which is his point.
At the time you refer to it, the name was Deutsches Reich, first part meanign german, and reich being closest resembled by realm.
TheGahta Reich was often used to denote empires, to say it only means realm is highly misleading. Its leader was Kaiser which means emperor. It was clearly an empire.
TheGahta the British empire for example is Britisches Weltreich in German.
It was the Deutsches Kaiserreich. Very much an imperial monarchic empire.
TheGahta It was an Empire so the other dude is right
An empire wouldn't need to be authoritarian or archaic in any way, Japan is technically still an empire, albeit parliamentary.
"Imperium" doesn't actually mean empire (in Latin), it means, or meant "Authority", someone who held an imperium could be in command of an army or govern a province, "Imperium Rōmānum" meant "Authority of Rome", Usually held by an "Augustus" or "emperor".
an "Empire" is an aggregate of nations or people ruled over by an emperor, other powerful sovereign or government, many empires in history weren't ruled over by an emperor, (Athenian empire, Dutch empire, British empire, etc.). It is in fact, perfectly suited for a collection of human planets, moons and stations to be called an empire, just as suited as federation or confederation, just look at history.
While Japan has an emperor, the actual government is officially known as the "State of Japan".
The U.K. is still a kingdom. The Queen is also the sovereign of former parts of the Empire too.
(I'm sorry for any grammatical errors)
"Imperium" was the power of the Imperator (or Pontefix or Caesar or Augustus) to lead the armies and the possibility to give orders to which the recipients can not avoid. But also when Rome was a republic the "imperium" and "Imperator" existed, for example: "Magisterium cum imperio" or "sine imperio" (Magistrate with or without the Imperium) or the Dictator (Gaius Iulius Caesar was a dictator)
+Jaron Ehlers & Elektron117
True, but the form of government is a constitutional monarchy with an emperor as head of state, they could've called themselves the Empire of Japan and it would still be appropriate, although it might have upset the countries around them.
Constitutional Monarchies have no power, they're just legacies of history / cultural icons. Japan doesn't call itself an Empire either.
My method:
1. Figure out the way the country is governed first. A democracy, an aristocracy, autocracy, oligarchy, technocracy and so on?
2. Have words for the culture, the ethnicity, the land itself.
3. Add some form of adjective for flavour, preferably something that fits with the cultural identity or the local viewpoint.
For example, The Greater Arctic Federation. Set in a post climate change Earth where a majority of the surface has become a wasteland of dust and firestorms and most nations have long collapsed. Various local city states and nation fragments band together regardless of their past, eventually the infrastructure is rebuilt and they begin claiming everything around the Arctic Sea through diplomacy (both regular and gunboat). Slowly terraforming the planet and taking to space.
I think you are overthinking it. I like it xD
I am definitely overthinking things.
For me the the whole trade federation in Star Wars was as far as I knew, the companies within the Star Wars Galaxy were more massive and influential than most individual planets so companies creating a united federation of them kinda makes sense, as for the whole Viceroy part, I always assumed Viceroy was an honorary title or maybe the primitive or pre Trade Federation, were originally a monarchy
I don't think every government in fiction should be some form of democracy or total authoritarianism. I think the idea of a corporate is unique and fun, as well as a bit more imaginative.
The Trade Federation was also represented in the Galactic Senate, so I'm not entirly sure how that went.
Something to point out is, that it was called the trade federation because they were a group of systems that traded with each other for profit and necessity due to lack of senate support. There is also the matter of when they finally went to war they changed to the C.I.S. or the confederation of independent systems.
Name it whatever you want, as long as the military is called the "Earth Defense Force"
*E-D-F!*
*E-D-F!*
Tsukuyomi Phase EDF EDF EDF EDF
So, Électricité de France ?
you mean Astra Militarum.
That ain't the EDF.
unless it's the Earth Federation, In which case "Earth Federation Space Force" is necessary.
"It's not really an empire" *And WHO are you to question the will of the Helghast!?* Our collective willpower has imagined it and the strength of our arms will see it manifest! Helgan and Vekta, together as nature intended.
I dont think naming has to make sense. The Holy Roman Empire wasn't holy, Roman or an empire
Exactly what I was thinking, "united states of America" isnt a country the encapsulates the americas for example.
Was studying that in history class and was so confused.
They shold call it the Confederate Reich of Germanic and romance States
Voltaire.
Y'know, HRE was a fuck.
It did have a strong religious influence.
"The United Federation of Nations" was a thing in Code Geass
Meritocracy - Ruled by Merit
Technocracy - Ruled by technical experts
Autocracy - Rule by supreme power i.e. tyrant
Oligarchy - Ruled by a council or small group of people
Aristocracy - Ruled by the cultural elite
Plutocracy - Ruled by the rich
Stratocracy - Ruled by military service
Theocracy - Ruled by religious leaders
Ergatocracy - ruled by the working class
Bureaucracy - ruled by many systems of governments and officials and administrators. Good luck getting anything done.
Uniocracy - ruled by the singularity of *race here* minds
Dominion
Commune
Territories
Mandate
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_forms_of_government
Wouldn't technocracy be the same as meritocracy?
Nope. More specific. And its just for naming your government. You can use meritocracy if you want and be boring AF
Kraterocracy: Rule by strength and/or deceit. This actually helped me develop a species' government quite a bit for something I was writing.
You forgot the most common one in the world, kleptocracy. ;)
@@wasserruebenvergilbungsvirus Actually it is different. In a meritocracy, you can do something like bolstering the economy tenfold but in a technocracy economic decision would be given to a scientist or who obviously know their way around the economies of nations...
I think we can all agree that The Rakatan Infinite Empire has the most intimidating name in all of Sci-fi.
When you get to the point where you can call yourself the “Infinite Empire”, it’s safe to say that you’ve won galactic history. The only ones I know of are the Rakata and the Necrons, both of whom are extraordinarily cool.
I think the Eternal Empire of Zakuul is up there.
Infinite
Choose your words carefully
I think the most intimidating name in Sci Fi has to be the Combine from Half life 2. The Combine's name has multiple meanings that being like a harvester sucking resources out of planets and due to the fact that they Combine species together. you will never be able to name a Sci Fi nation more existentially terrifying than the Combine.
"The United Sol System" This would include Earth, Luna, Mars, and the Belt. With the possibility of other colonies with in the Solar system
British Empire wasnt dumb just because Britian is puny compared to the rest of the Empire. If that works, the Empire of Earth, or Empire of Humanity are great.
What do colons have to do with nations of the solar system?
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I remember a history teacher of mine once said that United and Federation are basically a pleonasm (an over-statement of things meaning the same, i.e black darkness, or tall giant). Her reasoning was that a Federation already unified some smaller nations within itself, so there would be no need to call it United.
Yeah
Its probably worth adding that the Imperium of man, doesn't really function as a unified nation state and for ten thousand years has basically been teetering on the edge of total collapse.
Incidently, my favourite race that I created for Stellaris, is the Principality of Highstar, a Constitutional Theocratic Monarchy, where the ruler (Called The High prince), is also the head of the state religion.
Especially as, like the later Holy Roman Empire, its an absolute mess. The Imperium of Man, is deliberately presented as this nightmare of beaurocracy and insainity, that really is only held together by constant war.
HERETIC BLAM
I love the Lore Fact from 40k that whole System get "lost" because of the non Functioning bureaucracy.
Yeah the Imperium is really closer to a militaristic federation/theocracy/representative dictatorship/police state/...you name it it's in the Imperium somehow.
“Imperium” means “order” or “the order of” in Latin. It can be used to refer to the state, the states authority, or even an entire culture. “Imperium Germanica,” for example, is what the Romans labeled their maps of Germany with, disputed the region having no single government.
"Union" can also be used in the context of like a territory controlled by a labor union, along with "guild". for example the Transport Union in The Expanse works like a state in many ways
"Commonwealth... Describes almost any nation in history."
CONGO FREE STATE INTENSIFIES
Nations, not private property.
@@MajinOthinus Still a nation
@@emperorgameling5064 Nah fam. The Kongo may be a Nation, the Kongo free state was the apocalyptic private property of the Belgian King.
@@MajinOthinus And it was a nation. Private property organized as a nation with him as monarch.
I think that the Imperium gets an additional pass because, well, their head of state is basically a god. Same with the Galactic Empire or something like it. If your faction has a leader who's power level dwarfs the basic citizenry, you definitely have an edge.
I feel like you went a bit to all in on the negative aspects of empire. A lot of British Sci-fi uses it in a positive tone for scenarios where the current ceremonial monarchy state becomes space faring and sets up its own colonies. The naming approach there is more monarchy + colonies = empire, how the collective is maintained doesn't really come into it.
Yeah well, that's British Sci-fi. Ask someone from India and they'll probably have a very different conception of the British Empire...
Joss Goyanko of course they will, I didn't say it was a completely positive word, just that there is more than one way of look it it.
It would still make sense at a certain point in the history of a space faring civilization. An earth empire would entail early colonies on Mars, the moon; perhaps even other star systems. They would be much like when earth was a mix of "civilized" areas colonizing the "untamed wilderness". This is a perfect description of humans, backed by a central earth government, tame the wilds of space. Empire works here until those colonists become sufficiently advanced or independent that the empire model falls apart.Then you get your federations or republics or what not.
Nicolaus Gilbert Wilson Except why would anyone Earth willingly be part of an empire? If you hadn't noticed people kinda really don't like empires and really like democracy a lot. Styling yourself as an empire makes no sense if you see yourself as a democratic society that's just spreading into space. To be an empire you have to be conquering other people, not just expanding.
Hedgehog3180 Empire actually has multiple meaning and isn't exactly an equivalent to monarchy... It's more of a cool word to describe the dominance of the central part of the empire over the rest (except for german empires or eastern roman). During the middle ages it was mainly used to say that your kingdom was an offspring of the roman empire. Then it was used to mean first a collection of kingdoms (like spain) or a kingdom with lots of colonies (Portugal, Netherlands, Britain,...). with the 19th century it became more of a state with lots of colonies and national pride (19th century = birth of nationalism). And for the Nazis, Japan and Italy it was nationalism, imperialism and militarism.
So the definition changes with time and it works if you have a monarchy, fast growing and expanding country ( usually a constitutional monarchy but can be a republic) growing through colonisation or a fascist regime.
And for the fact that you think everyone love democracy... well, fascists consider it is inefficient and to slow to react so they prefer a dictatorship, reactionaries think it was better with kings and queens, technocratists thinks peoples are inherently inefficient and think the state should calculate what to do,... and even if many ideologies like democracy, they cannot agree on what it means ( like freedom)... and the way out of democracy is a slippery slope.
Democracies hate autocracies and like democracies, that is true and so they tend to not declaring war to democracies but they also tend to push autocracies to conflict with them.
I love the "Chiss Ascendency" from Star Wars
@@louisduarte8763 The Chiss Ascendency was located in the unknown regions, so they had little to no interaction with the rest of the galaxy. In Timothy Zahn's book Thrawn, nobody knows what he is, and if you can't see his eyes, you could assume him to be a Pantoran. In canon, Thrawn is all that the Empire knows about the Chiss, and believe he was exiled. However, I won't even get into Legends, as there is much more interaction. Go look it up on Wookiepedia.
@@EchoKnightYTand... what is an "ascendency" now?
Chiss are the best allies for anyone. ( Especially for Sith Empire )
@@dominiklehn2866 ascendancy means:
occupation of a position of dominant power or influence.
I feel like Empire still works, but depending on the faction. Because development can happen, the Empire could be ruled by a single family, which may be split into several branches. The aristocracy may also be specialized in certain areas and trained from young. The laws of the empire and how they develop could have changed, that aristocratic families began specializing in, say, pumping out officers. Current times stuff may be loosened up, that in the future, civilians could still get higher positions, and earn a nobility, or be accepted into a nobility, bringing in fresh blood to their gene pool.
re: the Centauri Republic - medieval english writers referred to the king's actions as being damaging to the health of the republic, without irony. republic simply means that the government of the realm is a res publica - a public affair, rather than the ruler's private interest. is it so impossible that the Centauri (whose emperors can come from different families) could think of their society as a republic? Or that the Minbari, Earthers, and Narn might have higher considerations? (respectively, federation between castes, alliance of constituent nations, and military revenge on their oppressors)
the brakiri syndicracy is stupid tho. fight me.
The republic of moutains formally disagrees.
Ryan Sellers the constitutional monarchy of lakes sais that we agree.
Enemies of the Imperium, hear me. You have come here to die. The Immortal Emperor is with us and we are invincible. His soldiers will strike you down. His war machines will crush you under their treads. His mighty guns will bring the very sky crashing down upon you. You cannot win. The Emperor has given us his greatest weapon to wield. So make yourselves ready. We are the First Kronus Regiment, and today is our Victory Day.
I think you're missing how important tradition is to nationalism. It's hard to rename a country without a complete revolution, and plenty of real world nation's have kept silly names.
The United Kingdom of (insert list of countries here) sounds like a compromise a committee made with the intention that it be temporary, whereas the name The United States of America probably was all that AND it stopped being accurate after the US civil war. In well over 200 years, neither country has decided, "Hey, let's pick a new name that sounds better."
Likewise, a government that formed with a silly name, united the Earth under a silly name and spread into space under that same silly name would likely keep that same silly name there after.
Sadly there was a Name Change for Reasons like "Sounds better." The "Third Reich". It was still the Weimar Republic System. After the "Reichsprogromnacht" (dont know the english name) ppl were so scared that they basically gave him the "do what you want" power. Some say it was planned by the NSDAP that the Parlament got burned down so they had to move to Nürnberg. Hitler got some laws through that steadily gave him more Power till he could bann everyone who was agaisnt him. Then came the "Nacht derlangen Messer" (again sorry no english name XD) where he killed of ppl from his Party and the SA to ensure Power. The "Reich" was just a Psychological thing. Germans where down and hoped to be a Major European Power agian. The German Reich was one. So yes a Name cause it soudns better.
Kaitan I don't know the first one, but in English we call the time he killed his supporters "The Night of the Long Knives."
Not sure if that's a direct translation or not.
Translated Word for Word it seems. Learned something new.
"Reichsprogromnacht" is called "The Night of Broken Glass"
Thanks. But fearing we lose the Initial Point i wanna state again. I thin kwith Greater Changes in Politic, Economy, Borders and stuff i think Renaming happens Naturally. So Colonizing other Planets as a United Species i believe a Name Change would happen.
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"empire" is also often used when you have a confederation with one nation being completely dominant over the others. The collenial empires were that. The French empire was ruled by a republic, the British by a constitutional monarchy, the Russian empire by an absolute monarchy. The Austro-Hungarian empire was even a diarchy.
Austria-Hungary wasn’t a diarchy. A diarchy means having two leaders/monarchs. Austria-Hungary only had one Emperor-King. It was a dual state in that it had two governments: the Cisleithenian government (Austria) and the Transleithenian government (Hungary), but it wasn’t a diarchy, because it only had one monarch (who was simultaneously Emperor of Austria and King of Hungary)
The MCR is basically a two part government, with the Martian people choosing a congress, and the martian military promoting a military president. The reason it works, is because the means through which the military promotes it's leaders is through merit, which is dictated by rule set by the congress. Kind of like the Zulu empire, where the council of elders dictated certain traditions and norms, and through these norms, the most "normal" person became overall leader. The difference here being that MCR has term limits, and the next leader is almost always promoted upon approval of both the Congress and admiralty. It's basically a very dangerous nation to fuck with, because everyone is a soldier, and their potentate is not someone you can easily negotiate with. The bonus is that their military is diversified, thus A scientist can lead, or a pilot, of an architect...etc. All of which is entirely dependent on the climate of the times.
Also, look at what who they were opposing the 'United Nations'. By naming themselves the Maritain Congressional Republics, not only were they saying they were from Mars (not earth) but that they were truly unified towards their desired future, not like earth which still has divisions by individual nations (or at least remnants of this by the time of the books/show)
So basically, the Martian Congressional Republic is the Terran Federation of Starship Troopers. Except is actually intended to have checks and balances, and not just be a lecture about how brainwashing and torture results in morally superior citizens?
Huh neat. The MCR has always been a fascinating part of The Expanse. And it is worth noting how easy Martians are to convince that fascism is in their interests.
The Laconians are Martians at their worst.
"Galactic Federation of Free Alliances" is terrible, but in its defense, GFFA was named solely in reference to "galaxy far, far away."
The Terran Hegemony is perfectly named in Battletech. It is founded when a military coup wipes out the collapsing Terran Alliance, and the name symbolizes Earth's importance on the galactic scene. It also proclaims their early ambitions to resubjugate all of their colonies.
Yeah
Cool video, though I disagree with the description of empire. If we look at empires of history, ignoring those claiming legitimacy from the roman empire, it seems that "Empire" is either more of a prestige title that doesn't mean much, or a multi-ethnic state. Indeed many nations today that do not style themselves as empires (such as the USA and PRC) are described as such. No one could call these states mono-ethnic and neither of them has (so far) fallen apart due to unrest. It is a very overused title in fiction but let us remember that some of the largest self-styled empires of history (France, UK, etc) were quite democratic and/or had good freedoms for their time.
Speaking as a Classist, I have to disagree. The Rome was an Empire long before they had what we could call an Emperor. An Empire is where 1 sovereign state gains control over different nations and ethnic groups, then allows them to remain with their own laws and customs while still subject to authority of ruling state. The term Emperor comes from the term Imperator, which merely means "one with authority/command". Any general, governor or local magistrate had Imperium (authority) which was granted to them by the Senate.
Indeed this is where I have to disagree with @Templin Institute. The likelihood of a large scale galactic/interstellar nation becoming an empire ruled by a single ruling monarch is actually quite high. At a certain threshold a nation controlling other territories or states becomes so large that it requires an ultimate decision maker. This is what we saw in Rome, with the civil wars and the rise of first the Triumvirate and then Augustus. They grew beyond what the Senate could control without individual interests of the Senators causing a failure of operations.
Of course any large scale empire would require a large amount of bureaucracy, but there would need to be a central figure who can make immediate determinations about any crisis. This is why even with dynastic changes the Chinese Emperors were so successful. Their bureaucracy was based on a merit, while they maintained an ultimate decision maker.
You're free to think that, but you're wrong. There's a reason empire and imperialism share a root.
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Isn't modern democracies much the same thing with the president as the central desicion maker rather than a emperor. The only difference been how their elected.
Genetix not really
The Roman Senate was much more of an administrative body with all authority in the control of the emperor.
@@genetix7173 no, because an emperor would have near to full absolute power. Presidents usually share power. They are the head of the executive branch. Meaning their role is to approve laws not to make them. They also have the role of setting policy but not the power to ensure its followed. A legislature of a different political party further reduce their power as they are less likely to follow the policy the president has set. For a president to do well they will need to build Bridges and seek compromises to get their agenda through. An emperor won't have these types of issues. They are more likely to have to worry about usurpers or revolts
Is it not possible that they included “congressional” in MCR since the congress holds a great responsability in keeping the executive in check and is therefore imperative to the stablity of the state and the democratic power of its people?
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Are you saying I can’t have the Galactic Lone Star Empire of Texas?!
Great vid btw, keep up the good work.
Bruh that pfp fits with what you said lmao
If u want u can
Templin Institue: Terran is to associated with scifi, People wouldn't change their name just cause they went to space
the Random Dude who came up with the name "Space Force":
Space Force wasn't part of a name change, nor is it the name of a government. It's a description of the branch of the US military that operates in space.
There's also political consideration with this, if the US Space Force were to go for something to do with earth, it infers the USA is seeing itself as a guardian of Earth, which, should go without saying, would cause a lot of knickers to get twisted, nukes to get sent possibly, etc.
The Nationstates Unionised Conglomerate Space Confederacy of Gary
Thats it!
Republic of Dave
Galactic Federation of Generic Sci-fi Names for Factions.
Sound right?
I named mine:
“United Nations Space Federation”.
My only critique, would such a government feel the need to remind its citizens of its space faring nature give that they live in it?
Nathaniel Perry It was originally called “United Nations Global Federation” but changed its name when it became space faring. Otherwise it would be ignoring representation of most of its population.
Targun Yssboern
The United Nations part refers to the original core governing body of the Federation; whereas Federation refers to the Government, its constituency and the extraterrestrial colonies and the people of them who are being governed; Space refers to the expanse between Earth and its colonies in recognition of the fact that humanity is no longer restricted to one celestial body and is now at this point, “Space-Faring”.
Oh no!
@@LordHayabusa85 you could just say the World Federation/Global Federation/Federation of Man or Humanity/United World Government, just saying.
Actually an empire isnt a style of government, but a sort of description of a governance. It may seems a bit confusing, but this is the definition. Empire- A collection of states OR people ruled by an emprah OR sovereign gov... This means empires can be republican or despotism. The USA is an empire because it has both a collection of states and people under one banner. And all I have to say is Puerto Rico to annihilate any counter argument to that. The romans when they incorporated other cities became an empire, if u noticed they were always referred to empire even when they didnt have an emprah.
chaos16boy Likewise the British Empire was ruled primarily by parliament, not by the monarchs/emperors at the time, since parliament has had final authority since before the empire was formed, although the monarchs had much more power then than they do now, it was by no means absolute or primary power and still largely symbolic/ceremonial.
The German Reich was also basically called the German Empire (reich means realm but in Germanic languages it generally refers to a large and powerful kingdom so very similar to an empire, in fact the HRE is known as the German-Roman Reich in most Germanic languages) but was ruled by a dictator in the form of Hitler.
This is an old idea for a Sci-Fi setting I worked on a couple years ago and want to revamp. But I want someone more versed in naming to give it their seal of approval
If you don’t want to read the entire thing, here’s the important nation names:
-UHF (United, Human, Federation)
-MGC (Modified Genetics Confederacy)
Here’s the full thing
About 145 years ago, humans discovered the presence of not only other life outside of their world, but several advanced civilizations.
They began to develop technology to stand a chance to the other civilizations across the galaxy. This lead to the discovery of a rare mineral known as Lawrencium (that’s what humans called it, after its discoverer Thomas Lawrence)
This element was used in many unique and advanced technologies, such as rudimentary warp engines (used for long distance space travel fast, several other variations of warp engines were invented and used by other civilizations, but most refused to share their secrets), weaponry, and even more advanced levels of genetic engineering.
The existence of this material drew the eyes of several other civilizations, one of which, decided to act on their desire for this material, and colonize earth. However they were not met with warm welcomes. They attempted to enslave the humans, but they lashed out and fought back, calling in allies from other nations, the invaders did the same, and this soon lead to the “Terran War”. A war fought for the colonization of earth.
The war was waged primarily on planets within “our” solar system
This war sparked even more innovation, in an attempt to win, the human settlements of the solar system gathered together, forming the United. Human, Federation, or the UHF.
Together they not only fought stronger, but also were able to begin work on creating a brand new genetically modified species, designed to be the ultimate soldier.
Once they were complete, they called their “perfect soldiers”, “Brutes”. With the assistance of the brutes as well as other allies, the UFH successfully took back control of the solar system, agreeing to form trade routes with willing nations.
Afterwards, several factions of “Brutes” rebelled against their creators, fighting back. At the end of this smaller conflict, the Brutes left the UHF, and colonized a smaller planet far away.
The creation of the technology to create the Brutes, lead to several other core species, and more humans creating more genetically modified races.
As many of them rebelled and left, or joined their creators civilly, these new races were becoming more common and more seen as sentient. This meant that injustice against them was being recognized, and protests and civil disarray lead to the decree that “Genetic Races” would have the same rights as “Core Races”. As this happened, the Genetic Peoples began to integrate into society, joining nations, forming independent nations, and allying with the Nations dominated by Core Peoples. This resulted in the foundation of the first multi-species, Genetic Race dominated nation. They designated themselves as the MGC (Modified, Genetics, Confederacy)
no mention of the "Imperial Klingon Empire"?
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"Ah yes, you're finally awake."
*Welcome to the Alliance of Awakened Nations!*
Shut up back there
"Earth" is too exclusionary but "Earth" in Latin is fine? This feels like it's really arbitrary. I assume the author has in mind that it's suppose to be "Terran" as in "Earthling" but to be honest that feels equally arbitrary. It's not like we call each-other "Terrans" rather than Humans.
I do feel like a lot of names were ruled out which could be justified depending on backstory; Empires are cliche but there are stories which can still make it work (WH40K being cited here) and something drawn up along Napoleonic lines is slightly more plausible in way which Feudal Empires are not. Especially if the central Human government are going to be villainous and denying people (either 'rimworlders' or aliens) representation on some level, in which case even bureaucratic Republics could pitch themselves as Empires.
I also really want to defend Hegemony; the idea behind it would be something like the Greek city states on a planetary scale. For instance, I can imagine it working in circumstances you had a bunch of disparate colonies without much of a uniting force who suddenly had to unite against some larger threat. In these circumstances, if single nation had a significant military edge and they could demand that other colonies banded their militaries under the unilateral control of the dominant nation while leaving them relatively politically independent. It's absolutely a show of dominance to call yourself "The Hegemony of New Athens" but the central idea would be that the other planets would be weak enough that they'd be happy to trade their right to a military and some taxes in exchange for protection against larger states and relative independence.
Similarly, terms like Planetary, Stellar and Galatic don't seem implausible to me if the Nation was formed from disparate groups post space travel. It'd perhaps be silly to have to change all the names and paperwork because your People have colonized a different planet but if a bunch of disparate colonies come together in face of a common threat and demand equal recognition? This seems pretty plausible, especially in a nation which has multiple species.
By contrast, stuff like "United Earth Commonwealth" is generic but makes sense when Earth (or the whatever homeworld) united prior to leaving for the stars. As it was said in the video; they're going to be very slow to change their name just because they've become interstellar.
Finally, I do think "Human" or "Man" can work in an Empire name but only in cases where the goal is to be exclusionary. If your Empire is happy incorporating aliens as one would assume an extension of the United Nations would be? Then Human will sound silly. If on the otherhand, they actively see Humanity as a part of their political ideology, to the extent that Aliens or Transhumans are either subjugated or unpersons? It can work and sound menacing to my ears.
Good point.
The funny thing is that Earth and Terran means dirt basically so we live on the planet Dirt.
@@Mortlupo Soil, btw in slavic languages soil and Earth is the same word.
Earth is synonym for soil/dirt in most language.
This has been a very useful tutorial, now I can conquest the Milk Way with knowledge that my Empire’s name won’t be “made fun of”
I think for the Trade Federation it actually was a federation of sorts when it first started. However, when Darth Sidious took it over and made Nute Gunray the viceroy, it was no longer a federation. It was still called that for a short time after, however it joined the CIS, the Confederacy of Independent Systems, or Seperatist so that name was dropped.
Zombie King well it was a business, so it's kind of a federation in the same way FIFA is
I personaly like "The Dominion", its simple, it goes along with its government kind and its probably universal in all languages and conveys the same massage
When you said congressional republic I immediately thought of Congress (or Congressional ) Poland. A nation created by Treaty at the *Congress* of Vienna. I don't know if this explains the series you were talking about but it's food for thought.
That's as good an explanation as I've ever heard, but even Congress Poland was just an informal term for the "Kingdom of Poland"
Well there's also the notation, with the whole Congress of Vienna thing, that the word "Congress" could also mean a collection of nations (hense why the US legislature is called a Congress to reflect how diverse the former British Colonies were), so the Mars Congressional Republic could also be a more fancy name for the United Nations of Mars, perhaps be even a counter for the U.N..
And off on a tangent, I would also prefer the name "United Federation of Settlement Nations" to reflect the fact that the colonies can be viewed as sovereign or at least autonomous nations within the Terran Ecumene as a whole.
Just my thoughts.
If you want to use a location in the name of your nation, you could always include "Orion," for the arm of the Milky Way our system is in.
I made Sci-fi factions before and one of them makes sense such as the A'túrii Celestial Dynasty
Considering the A'túrii is composed of advanced energy beings that able to forge stars and make them as homeworlds sounds like they get the nickname "Star people"
From a story I wrote when I was fourteen:
- Alliance of Free Systems (AFS): Basically a confederation, althought they are willing to split up the moment the threat is neutralized
- United Galactic Federation (UGF): I didn't know what that meant, but it sounded cool, still sounds cool
- Independent Kingdom of Kacerid: ???
- People's Revolutionary Movement (PRM): Space bolsheviks
- Emdar' Sturrq: Space ISIS, it's space ISIS, there's no more depth than that
What name should I use if a space colony is built, owned and governed by a conglomerate or a megacorporation? Assume the corporation has a subsidiary or hire a PMC to cover internal security and policing but only in wartime or emergency should a government from Earth deploy its military for civilian evacuation should its security is overrun.
@@Joshua_N-A It would be cool to give it a really corporate name like playing with abbreviations or going also the other way and making it be an attempt to relate to the people's interests
Lmao, space ISIS 😂😂
@@yestermonth Hell yeah
Space ISIS.
So: Space Independent Systems In Sol?
What about Dominions? Real Example: "The Dominion of Canada." Fictional example: "The Dominion" from DS9. I think Human Dominion would be a great name for the territory held by predominantly human planets. Dominions can be organized as democratic, Technocratic, direct democracies, or dyaichy between a chamber (Like a Senate or Parliament) and Imperial throne. Or, in the Canadian case: An elected Parliament, and Appointed Senate and a ceremonial Monarch.
I like that idea. A Dominion I believe is similar to a Hegemony; I researched the latter for the name of a civilization I use in a Role Playing Game - the Cerinian Hegemony - and learned that the Hegemony lacks actual territorial control, but controls people. They controlled only a few scattered star systems and their inhabitants through an adviser to a locally-supported government overseen by a Council of Ministers advising a Matriarch elected from their number.
how is terran better than "of earth"? they mean the exact same thing!
It sounds fuckin' cool.
Sounds cooler.
Terra refers to Earth, while as far as people concerned(true mwaning aside) Terrans mean humans. That is why its better. Terran Coalition---Human Coalition.
Because it's Latin and Latin is fancy.
More specifically, Terra refers to an aspect of Earth, something to do with the day/night cycle, rather than the Earth entire.
I have to disagree with your assessment that monarchies didn't last into the 21st century because of instability of government or not being strong enough governments. Monarchies dominated most of Europe and the world until the early 20th century, with the only deciding factor in their survival being the largest conflict the world had ever seen, ww1. The monarchy in Germany saw itself fall at the hands of the will of the WW1 allies, and it's support wain due to food shortages in the war, not instability caused by aristocracy. The Russian empire saw its fall due to economic pressure from being a primarily illiterate nation with a still adapting ex-serf population that wasn't ready for industrialized warfare and the food demands that entailed, not from ineffectual rulers. Then the largest factor deciding other major monarchies is the establishment of an international system with the UN and USA setting goals of eliminating "undemocratic" ideals and governments from the world.
You imply monarchies don't function off of merit, while it is true they favor people of a certain family. This establishment of aristocracy ensures a ruling populace that is trained from childhood in the arts of state craft , artistic knowledge, and often the sciences. Skills that almost all major democratic politicians seem to lack. The vast resources of a royal family enables their children to be raised at a pace FAR beyond that of any common folk, even today.
McMollet Monarchies were glorified mafia extortion rackets and deserve to be eliminated from the face of the earth!
It's saying that when Russian monarchy fell, the country was transformed into a republic... which lasted around 8 months before being abolished by the Bolsheviks. I agree with the statement told elsewhere, that in 100 years we'll probably regard Fukuyama's "liberal democracy being the final social system in history" with the same contempt as the similar but earlier sentiment about communism.
Absolute monarchy regimes are going to be extinct, even Arabic monarchies are in the path to reform political representation systems.
Because those monarchies totally educate their leaders to know how to rule and always assign people of suitable character to the job. How about prince "people are mean to me" Charles and his son prince "naked in Vegas" Harry? The elder ones incompetence is why the current Queen hasn't retired decades ago.
What you're thinking of is a technocracy, where people are elevated based on merit and get to choose their successors. The longest continuously running powerholder of the modern world, the catholic church is a decent example. A technocracy without the chain of obsolete customs and sex deprivation could have been a lot more flexible and successful.
@Syfer Polski I think the celibacy has aided in its continuation as a technocracy instead of becoming some sort of Oligarchy or Monarchy. Once the rulers start having children to pass things on to, they will want to find ways to do so.
In defence of Alliance!
Another name for the Aztec Empire in pre-columbian Mexican society was The Triple Alliance.
This is because when the Aztecs first arrive in the Lake of Texcoco, they first subjugated their new neighbors, Tetzcoco and Tlacopan, and forced them into a military and economic alliance led by the Aztecs. Only then did they set out to conquer he rest of central Mexico and all it's other civilizations, like the Tlaxcalteca Confederation.
"Alliance" as part of a nation's name can be pretty representative of how it rules over it's territory, I see no reason why it can't be used in science fiction in lieu of "Empire."
United Federations of Nations is the worst name i've ever heard.
@Neutral T.K. United Confederacy of free constitutional empires.
@@highgrounder5238 United league of Confederate federated states in union of national countries
Until I saw this video, Systems Alliance was the worst I ever heard from Mass Effect... He somehow bested that
Zamir tbh it makes sense though. Human Systems Alliance is perfect because as far as we know in the ME universe, all humans come from earth. All humans are of the Alliance. It is the alliance of human systems
Then listen to this: "Federated Federation of Federations" ^^
The combine. Such a unique name, although not made for themselves though it perfectly describes them
To be honest, even their actual name of the “Universal Union” is pretty badass and terrifying. It gives a sense of inevitability, yet under any other less malicious organization would almost sound comforting and positive. Really fits their almost medically sterile aesthetic in that sense.
@@ferrik1675 Universal Union isn't their actual name either, it's just what breen propaganda calls it. The Combine has no name nor a political ideology, it's just a consuming entity that converts anything to itself, and I refer to the combine as It and not They for a reason, in the Combine's eyes, they are but one organism and the subjugated are but cells in said organism. that's why the Combine uses such medical terminology in military operations rather than military jargon. which is why it's so important that Freeman is referred to as "Individual" by the Combine. In the Combine's eyes, there are only 2 beings in existence, Freeman, and the Combine. with Freeman being that one cancerous cell corrupting other cells into becoming "Malignant" in the body.
The most important thing is that you end up with a catchy acronym
11:48 There did exists the term 'Solar Federation' in Leijiverse (Harlock Mythos) which refers to a faction Earth belongs to (and actually a seat of the said faction).
"Commonwealth" is commonly associated as a union of relatively-autonomous sovereignties, more like a "Federation" than a "Republic." It is intended to mean the commonwealth of the *nations*, rather than the people living inside.
Nah, many previous colonies of Britain have commonwealth in their name and aren't a union of relatively- autonomous sovereignties. Commonwealth originally meant public good and as a name for a country it mostly doesn't mean anything. It only hints that they were probably once a colony of Britain.
What about the English Commonwealth, then?
I like the name "Woke Alliance of Free Protectorates" lol
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I simply use the name United Nations, even though the UN has spread to several star systems. There is also an Independent Revolutionary Republic of Corona.
Woke/Awaken Alliance is actually a good name for a left-wing terrorist group.
The United Nations as in where all nations from all planets/moons/etc are united.
Does the (space) United Nations are human only, or are there aliens around? Ad how bound are these "Nations" to each other? More like a single state or more like a group that decided to be together? (More like the USA or more like the EU)
HappyBeezerStudios - by Lord_Mogul United Nations as in the federal governing organization of around 4000 autonomous states, mandates and territorieas in the Sol, Alpha Centauri, Epsilon Eridani and a few other systems. It's more like the Austro-Hungarian Empire if everyone got autonomy in 1867 and was democratic. Internal politics is strictly the member states' business, but of course there are UN courts too. Meanwhile, the army, navy, foreign affairs are under direct UN administration. (Though most states have armies on their own, too). It's a bloated and heavily burocratic federation.
Also: only human, no advanced aliens as of the 27th century
motto: "woke af"
I actually like the Centauri Republic. You're right that it doesn't technically fit, but that's the POINT. The Centauri have this deluded double-think self image, and they're also shown to be quite duplicitous. So I can totally see them naming their nation a Republic, even though that's pretty much opposite of what it really is.
THE IMPERIUM OF MAN!!!!!!!!!!
hey the emperor is essentially a god so it works there.
"What is an Empire?"
That, my friends, is a helluva question, but to be as simple and clinical as I can be, an Empire is defined as a sovereign political unit comprised of many different people-groups of varying cultures, languages, ethnicities, and/or races, ruled under a single people-group. The Roman Empire was a political unit in which a single people-group (the Romans) ruled over many others (the Greeks, the Phoenicians, the Egyptians, etc). The Mongol Empire had a single people-group (the Mongols) ruling over many others (the Chinese, the Russians, the Persians, etc). The British Empire had a single people-group (The English) ruling over many others (the Indians, the Egyptians, the Kenyans, etc).
Now, what separates Empires from modern nation-states is this next part: the Ruling people-group exercises formal sovereignty over the Subject people-groups, and does not involve, or barely involves them, in making policy decisions. This is why The British, Mongol, and Roman Empires can be considered Empires, while modern Nation-States are not. Empires rule over Subjects, modern Nation-States have Citizens.
That is also not realy acurate. The Romans involved the "subjects" in decision-making. Many "subjects" even were roman citizens and at one point everyone in the empire was made a citizen. And all citizens could vote.
Joss Goyanko your forgetting anybody could become a 'roman'. That's why Romania is called Romania because it mean Citizens of Rome after they joined the roman empire.
the romans were an empire, but they didn't have subjects they had citizens, and clients, citizens came from all people groups and all had rights and could vote in the senate or the other thing. empires have citizens and non-citizens which slowly become citizens.
This is all missing the point of an Empire. A nation exists for the benefit of *all* of it's constituent people. In theory, no one people-group is elevated over another. The Roman Empire, on the other hand, expressly existed for the benefit of Rome itself. Now, as time went on, the *definition* of Rome and Roman expanded, as conquered people were assimilated into the Empire, eventually becoming nearly culturally indistinguishable from Romans, and only then were they elevated to the importance of Rome.
I'm sniffing some pretty hard-core bias here
11:30 Quick rebuttal to this point! During the Napoleonic period, there existed the Confederation of the Rhine, or more formally, the Confederated States of the Rhine, which was a military alliance of French client states in Germany, and several of these states did not directly connect with the River Rhine.
Saying that an empire can't realistically exist in the scifi is highly subjective and reek of favoritism. Almost all the forms of governments you listed will never last in a realistic setting due to the sheer distance between planets. People will naturally grow tire of a far off government.
Shit look at today countries which are forms of republic. Most of them are always on the edge of collapse or inefficient in some form or way. Good luck trying to make an argument that these same governments can remain stable across planets when they can't even remain stable within continents.
I agree, case and point, one of the main talking points for brexit was that a large number of mandatory legislature and such was going to be created by a committee none in the UK voted for, then voted on a few elected officials. And that's just between an island off the coast of France, and Brussels.
Scale that up to a solar system, and you'll have a few dozen independent factions.
You know that every State in the EU has every 5 Year European Elections? And that the State decides how to handle those. So saying the British Public cant Vote on the EU Parlament is Fault of the British Government not the EU one. In Germany for Example you can Vote who is going to Represent Germany i nthe EU Parlament if youre over 18.
Kaitan which changes things, how? It's still a centralisation of power, and one that does not even make a peacemeal attempt at showing the UK any respect.
I wont engage at a Brexit Conversation since i realised msot Britains dont even know how many Special Rules to Benefit Britain were made in the EU. So it changes you Point so far. That you claim Brians ppl wanna leave the EU cause they have no Influence on whos talking there. Britain got the 3rd most seats in EU Parlament. So the third most Votes for Something. Saying UK ppl didnt vote for those 73 seats the UK has is wrong. btw the "next" most seats is Spain with 54 so there is quite a gap. And the Respect thing ... pls inform yourselve about the countless exemption UK got from EU law. Law btw that the UK sometimes voted for and then said "nah for you but pls not for us". You got Great Respect i would say, it just wasnt in your Media Coverage.
Kaitan ''Britains dont even know how many Special Rules to Benefit Britain were made in the EU.'' - We will take what ''special'' rules we want and put it in our own law its not hard.
''Britain got the 3rd most seats in EU Parlament.'' - So? There are 27 other EU states that can overturn any political move the UK makes.
Yeah also you forget to mention the fact that we have little say over who gets voted as ''president'' of the EU. Tbh I would rather be governed by politicians in my own country that actually care about the people than some career politician from Luxembourg.
Someone never played Battletech. Federated Suns, Lyran Commonweath, Draconis Combine, Free Worlds League, Cappellan Confederation...and dozens of others.
John Chapman Dude is a topic chaser, the only reason they'd ever do something on say the star league would be because Mechwarrior 5 comes out...
I came here to make a similar comment (among others). Battletech is full of great nation names. Even putting aside the major houses you've got Free Rasalhague Republic, Magistracy of Canopus, Taurian Concordat, etc etc. All of them have some kind of historical/geographical reference that makes it sound real.
It's only on that one in particular, is it not?
8:00 what if, and I'm speaking about my own worldbuilding here, but a nation were both?
Say this nation functions similarly to a democracy, where leaders are elected, but it differs in that leaders have no term limit and very extensive power, though limited in some sense.
It's basically a constitutional dictatorship with measures in place to stop it turning into a true dictatorship.
And they call their leader an emperor.
A very interesting idea. I'd perhaps call it either a "Democrature" (a French word that means a hybrid between a democracy and dictatorship), or the word "State" would also fit, as it can be both used for dictatorships and democracies alike. If you have an Emperor here, then perhaps going with "Imperial State", "Imperial Confederation" or "Federal Empire" perhaps would also sound nicely
@@svijj_ oh thank you! This gives me a lot to think about :)
Country: Alliance of Awakened Nations
Motto: Stay Woke
The name I use for my Stellaris empire is "Velari Stellar Frontier", with the Velari being the name of the species. As a technocracy whose main focus is to spread the stars, I chose "Stellar Frontier" because that is exactly what the nation is - a first foray into other star systems. Past the year 2300, I change the name to "Velari Stellar League", becuase I like to think they they are somewhat decentralised even once they are established as a galactic nation.
The problem with that name is the fact that it includes the name of a species in its name. Unless they are extremely xenophobic to the point of refusing to accept any non Velari as anything more than second class citizens or even allowing them in. A rule of thumb that I use when playing and making nations in stellaris is imagining what humans would call something if we were in that situation. We would not exactly say 'human stellar frontier', we would probably say something like 'United stellar frontier'. Keep in mind that I am a random person on the internet, do not take my word as law, live in the way that you would like.
@@pessimisticnihilist3691 I get where you are coming from, but I did neglect to mention that there is also another re-name I use, that being based on my position in the galaxy if I start to get other citizen organics. As that empire usually uses synthetic ascension where everyone is assimilated into the "Velari" species, that name change doesn't happen often.
The "Velari" species is named after their planet of "Vel", and I'd like to think that any citizen of that planet would be classified as "Velari", at least in spirit. Next time I play the empire, I'll give some more thought into the progression of the naming as time goes on, based on what events I run into.
@@zetarhythm3503 That makes sense, I did something similar when I made a human nation called the United solar federation. Each citizen was a solarian but their species was their species. When I went down synthetic ascension the species name I chose was Solarian. The reason I chose solar as the word to describe them was because that it referred to sol, our sun.
@@pessimisticnihilist3691 Most current states are named after the people that live in that state which have a name. What would someone living in the Stellar Frontier be called? A Stellan? Frontieran?
Personally it sounds stupid. Eventually the name of the original species would become an adjective for all people living in the country's territories whether they are from the original species or not.
@@KepleroGT To show how wrong you are on this, take the example of 'Floridian'. There was not a Floridian people that existed in Florida before it became called that, the same logic applies to space. Unlike an ancient world like ours, there are no people that pre-exist in space. It is just empty space, so what you are saying does not apply.
Additionally, species is not something that gets overridden by living somewhere as it is a biological fact and not a culture or social construct. No, you cannot use some vague historical example as we have never had a multi-species civilisation as far as I know.
What about "Basileia Sapiens".
President Togekiss that’s badass, like an interstellar Byzantine empire
Maybe a xenophobic human state?
Greek and Latin in the same name? I don't think so.
Andrés Falcone, be subjective, their both human languages, together they sound majestic.
@@a2falcone THIS NEVER HAPPENS IN SCIENCE EVER
Solar Federation? Just as equal Terra linguistically from Sols origin is Latin. But more inclusive to include the whole solar system and generally any kind of Sun based civilization like ours and can be used to set up both the early history as a union between Earth,Mars,Venus and the various lunar based colonizes and any future conflicts with colonies beyond Earth.
Also what about not Latin/English based names. Russian might prefer the Soviet (Council), Chinese might go for
权 (Authority), French has les accord for unity and if your really going in that direction. A Pan-human Caliphate might be interesting enough to make a story out of it.
Marylandbrony If you expand outside our system that name becomes irrelevant. Also Sol is the name of the sun in many languages making this a really bad name. Sun Federation makes it sound like we for some reason are centered around the sun, like for religious reasons and also makes no sense because any star with a planet is a sun.
Solar could simply indicate that the civilisation is in a solar system or is situated around a sun. After all we don't know if anything life based could possibly exist outside of the energy of a sun. Aliens from between solar systems might be a pretty cool read.
+hedgehog3180 You're also incorrect in your assumption. Sol/Sun refers SPECIFICALLY to the star at the center of our solar system. You do not use it for any other star, they have different names. Please do some research into this kind of thing before you go spouting inaccuracies.
And hypothetically once you get one system that is equal to Sol in terms of prominence/Sol becomes the "minority" in terms of power held by the authorities. Just change the name to the "Celestial Federation". Which can apply to all of the heavenly bodies.
Sol makes sense in the case of being the people from the sol system. Much in the same way as we would likely call aliens by the name we gave their star system. It's similar to why we call Deutschland as Germany.
17:22 Massive opportunity lost to name it the "Federation of United Nations" for the acronym F.U.N.
I actually don't understand you problem with the Trade Federation. To me it sounds like what a Federation should be, they have a Leader, or a group of Leaders which are the "Kings" so-to-speak, and the Viceroys which own their own fleets and propertys. Their Leaders tell them what to do, but the Viceroys can also do stuff on their own as long as it doesn't hinders the entire Federation.
Also I find it funny that the Goverment Titles in the Star Wars Prequels are more accurat than the Govement Titeles in the beloved Original Trilogy!
Also I think your poblems with Empire are....I don't know, the way you talk about it sounds more like that you cannot imagine Humans to be stupid enough to follow one leader again. Like you said in the Star Citizen Goverment. Technology doesn't mean humans are immun to charismatic leaders.
Or maybe we invent a new Name for a Goverment in the future, which could be partly Empire and partly Republic at the same time.
I always thought of the star wars prequels as anti-star trek.
star trek federation good - star wars federation evil
Well to be fair a Republic is not necessarily good either. Titles are just that. Titles.
And I remember them acting more like British East India Company or Dutch VoC who had a voice in government (also being backed by them) as a mercantile corporation with their own private domains.
Say what you want about Lucas and the other writers but they actually managed to pull a greyer side of The Trade Federation in Clone Wars series as well as the comics/books of the EU.
I agree that “Trade Federation” is perfectly serviceable. It’s also not inconceivable that something which started as a loose conglomeration would eventually solidify power through takeovers, but keep the name because of branding.
Then again, Star Wars also has elected teenage queens, so retconning anything like this is fraught with land mines.
The "Syndicate Worlds" from The Lost Fleet series is a standout in my opinion. It is a Corporate Totalitarian government that rules multiple worlds, combines both the evil futuristic Corporation popular in Science Fiction with a kind of Soviet aesthetic. It was a believable and pretty well thought out element of a science fiction series that should be better known.
Honestly, seeing the Eastern Coalition from Starlancer/Freelancer when he mentioned Coalition as a term made this video for me. I love those games.