I run crispr on driller most of the time and the combo with temp shock wave cooker is my favorite weapon combo in the game, feels the most synergistic across primary/secondary/and grenade when used with axes. Great waveclear with good answers to medium threat targets and passable performance on big boys like oppressors/spawners/detonators. Fantastic at its role and can jack of all trades decently
I'd like to argue the most synergistic build is ice lance cryo cannon and heavy hitter EPC with the mod burning nightmare. It has an answer for anything. Big targets too dangerous upclose? Ice lance, spam EPC shots until overheat, rinse and repeat. Opressors/praetorians/voidspawns/stingtail: freeze and impact axe. Hordes get frozen upclose with cryo cannon. Barbed drills vampire makes it a nice frozen health smoothy. Ceiling bugs get 2 taps from the EPC and burn to death Swarmers and nanocytes get the cryo cannon Mactera get the cryo cannon treatment
I’ve also found that t3b temperature amplifier actually gets some use with boiler ray; it’s good for keeping single targets and groups frozen as you focus on them, and lets you freeze spare enemies walking past the bug(s) you were whittling down, instead of needing to swap back to cryo cannon to deal with them.
That's some fun timing lol, I just posted a 7x2 EDD run a friend and I did where I took cryo cannon + max width boiler ray Wavecooker so this topic is very fresh on my mind. The usefulness of boiler ray is vastly better compared to temp shock for so many reasons. Some of them you mentioned like just doing more damage and not messing up your strong, harder to apply cryo effect, but another interesting thing about cryo that makes temp shock less appealing with it is that some enemies will "save" where they are in their attack animations. For example, if a spitballer is frozen immediately before it attacks and then unfreezes, it wont restart its attack animation, it will just immediately shoot. I havent had a chance to test with barrage infectors yet but I'm sure they're similar. This means if you accidentally temp shock one of these at a bad time you can instantly lose a large chunk of your hp just because you shot a bit of wavecooker in the wrong direction and it clipped a frozen spitballer/infector. This accidentally 'clipping' of targets you dont want to shoot is extremely easy with wavecooker unless you run minimum width. Therefore, you essentially cut off directions where you can shoot at because temp-shocking large, non-oneshottable targets out of freeze is detrimental to you and your team and actually anti-synergistic with cryo. Boiler ray avoids this issue while also allowing you to oneshot large groups of frozen enemies the same way you'd want to with temp shock. Another benefit of boiler ray is that its just better on its own. With boiler ray, you can very very easily oneshot entire waves of swarmers/naedocytes while using maybe 2-10 ammo depending on how clumped they are. This has a lot of great usecases, for example you can spend 2 ammo and instantly clear all swarmers off a teammate, or spend 5-10 ammo and instantly clear a room of naedocytes after a breeder spent its sweet time in there. Its also quite good vs mactera if they clump up, as the explosion can lead to a chain reaction that kills entire waves of mactera. Good if you dont want to or cant get close to freeze/c4 them. All in all, it allows wavecooker to be a weapon of its own rather than simply an accessory to cryo cannon, while also letting you delete groups of frozen grunts the way temp shock does. Also fun fact, boiler ray is actually extremely strong with blistering necrosis because boiler ray explosion gets procced when you kill the blisters with it. Can lead to some huge burst damage and potentially even one-shots depending on your luck with placing boils.
I personally enjoy Cryo w Temp Shock, but mainly for ammo economy. Love being able to freeze a couple grunt-sized enemies in the middle of a crowd and use their explosions to freeze the rest, especially since enemies tend to walk through their frozen comrades. Makes it easier to lean into cold instead of ammo for the CC's upgrades as well. Agree that it's not worthwhile on larger enemies, but axes exist so not really a downside for me. Will give Boiler Ray a try though
The big difference between the two is that temp shock, when it procs, kills immediately. When using boiler ray you have to wait for your enemy to die first before it's ever useful, and by the time it does anything, everything around your target is already low HP or dead. That's not even accounting for the post-partum effect of tempshock. It works especially better with CWC's wide lens mod where you have a whole bunch of enemies grouped together, which each have its own chance to roll temp shock.
Main benefit of Boiler Ray imo is mixed swarms, especially consisting of swarmers. If there's a weak bug in the AoE with Boiler Ray, then that weak bug will be the downfall of the entire swarm, where fire or cryo shock generally just spreads fire/freeze and doesn't do anything else. It also pairs handily with the Blistering Necrosis OC, since it's quite literally the same random proc mechanic as Temp Shock, without the overkill as you mentioned in the video. Overall Boiler Ray just turns CWC into an alternative flamethrower-like weapon, in my opinion. Or something of its own unique class, ish.
a real eye-opener wow. I consider myself a very good player (can do haz 5 and EDD solo on all classes + can hard carry in multiplayer) yet i didn’t realize what is seemingly an obvious mistake. And this vid is perfect too because my go-to build for driller is ice spear cryo cannon + mega power supply wave cooker. Thanks a lot!! Really helpful content as usual. (i’d also appreciate it if you can point me towards where i can possibly get more info like this to optimize my builds even further)
@@loafofbread9400 not really. Although the flamethrower and sludge pump have way better ammo economy, cryo cannon isn't too bad. Just take temperature amplifier on tier 3 on the wave cooker. If you freeze a couple of enemies, hitting them with the wave cooker will "spread" cold on other enemies, freezing them as well. Check out Drilling In the Name Of's video titled "Wave Cooker Synergy Builds!". There's a good demonstration at 8 mins 05 secs into the vid. I too hated the cryo cannon at first but the safety it provides really cannot be beat. If you find yourself surrounded, just hold left click for a few secs and all the enemies are frozen (not to mention you can vampire back all your health since your drills would also deal increased damage to enemies). Also remember to utilize cold radiance on the cryo cannon, that's gonna help out a ton in conserving ammo. Also thank you for y'all's suggestions!
The main reason I run tempshock with cryo is how damn satisfying it is when you immediately sizzle a bunch of grunts and it freezes the surrounding grunts allowing for this sadistic chain reaction. As for the fire I should probably give it another chance, but it didn't feel as noticeable both in terms of effectiveness because fire is mostly enough or in terms of enjoyment because the bugs get incinerated anyway
I'll preface this by saying Driller is by FAR my least favorite/played class so I don't put the same amount of effort/thought into thinking about his builds as the other classes so I've always used Exothermic Reactor since it seemed like an obvious, easy combo. I did note that it was a bit of a liability against larger targets but, with my relative disinterest in the class, never gave it more thought. This video took less than half of it's short runtime to convince me to use Boiler Ray instead and I'm a little disappointed in myself that I didn't think of doing it myself sooner seeing as I usually spend a lot of time in the lab lol. Thanks, dude!
@@veryheavyalan I have since tried Boiler Ray as a Cryo Driller and I can officially say it works very well! Killing bigger targets feels better and I barely notice a difference in clearing crowds. I have a friend who plays a lot of Cryo Driller so I'll have to make sure he knows about this too next time we play!
Great video. Definitely going to change up my cooker build with cryo. Temp shock has it's fun moments, but breaking frozen on big stuff, then swapping back to frozen, and again, always felt inefficient and wasteful. Glad to find a better option. Rock and stone!
@@queasc0220 When you're doing higher hazards (like 7x2, etc) you look to get the mission done and that's it, because if you faff around for secondaries or other stuff you're gonna die. 5a probably isn't hard enough that you can't get other stuff, but if going quick is the way you like to play...
I get your point on not wanting to temp shock larger targets. My counter point is that you want to surround bigger targets with grunts and try to chain proc the mist around the bigger target. Constantly refreezing it whilst conserving primary ammo. Unless i am incorrect but can you not just repeatdely cause temp shock to large targets his way, if you circle a large group of enemies procing the mist
I mean yeah waste mentions in the video that it’s a viable thing, it’s just that you should be running flamethrower over cryo for tempshock builds because it relights stuff way easier than cryo refreezes. Also I’d have to check this but my suspicion is that most relevant enemies have lower ignite thresholds than freeze ones so the critical density where tempshock properly chains might be lower for fire than cryo
Yeah your logic is sound except refreezing praetorians is a slog, as opposed to reigniting them with heat spread. Which is why temp shock is good with flamer and boiler with cryo. Also helps that swarmers and naedocytes are much more annoying for cryo, and boiler ray helps with that.
temp amp in tier 3 has the same effect while letting you blow up grunts and stuff near the praetorian and also dealing boosted direct damage to the praet
Burning nightmare EPC can also temp shock. Take heavy hitter as OC. I like temp shock as a way to consume fire Damage over Time to burst damage. So set them on fire from afar using EPC. When they get close, temp shock using cryo cannon. Very good synergy especially with cryo cannon tier 5 mod giving 60 freezing power from 4 meter
Hey Waste, I know this is off topic compared to this video, but I would love to hear your opinion on Rotary Overdrive, and how you feel it fits in and compares to LS's other OC's. Thanks again!
Rotary Overdrive is quite cool and well balanced relative to the other minigun OCs. It's uniquely positioned to abuse AV spam while maintaining high minigun uptime, which makes it great in solo, but I probably wouldn't use it over BrH in teams. Still, great overclock and a solid addition to minigun''s already solid lineup.
@@pvewaste Thanks for the reply; I appreciate your insight. I've been an avid Hellfire and LSLS user for a long time now, but I have found myself enjoying Rotary Overdrive quite a lot.
It is funny to see balancing vision around Colette and Subata. No specialized choice for cryo combo, and the best choices for cryo are the mods that considered to be more on generalist side, yet specialized one - Penetration for Subata and Boiler Ray for Colette. Anyway, it's not that bad as it might be, these choices might be great, I will try out Boiler Ray and any other build for each class without forcing myself for cryo temp shock. P.S. Funnier is that EPC has two options to play without triggering cryo temp shock, compared with other two weapons.
When I first tried this combo out I wasn't sure the Boiler Ray wasn't being cancelled by the frozen status effect, as most frozen targets don't trigger normal on-death reactions. The visual effect was so faint I didn't notice it was working at all in my first test run. (This was before the video came out, I will try it again now that I know it works.)
If you freeze big and small enemies together, proc temp shock on a big enemy for instant dmg, then proc temp shock on a small enemy, you can immediately re-freeze the big enemy due to status effect spread of temp shock. Thoughts on using this multiple times to quickly kill large enemies on haz5 and 5a?
Generally I just dont run wave cooker with cryo cannon at all since imo its the weakest option to run with it since you dont really need to bolster crowd clear more as opposed to having more sustained tools to take down big or priority targets you freeze. Driller already has amazing options for taking on hordes of enemies even when using cryo cannon compared to the crowd clear potential of crspr so bolstering his single target with EPC i find to be just overall better or even just use EPC with TCF to then have single target and crowd clear as a back up with it in case you run low on other options but ya really shouldnt if you play driller well. I do hope in the future though that wave cooker and subata get tweaks to perform better overall with his primaries since they both are kind of subpar and only perform well with crspr, and even then crspr drillers might still want TCF
dude just.. like… try to think no? ot os like… straight-forward bruh… like there are like many obvious options and combinations for some classes like… 😂
kinda late, but just overall tips or for specific classes? driller and gunner have it easier in the ammo department, while engie and scout can struggle more. outside of simply "being more efficient" with aim, aoe, etc. it's always important to try and use your secondary to help out your primary generalist weapons like leadstorm or lok may struggle more with ammo because you can use them for "everything", but you should make use of your secondary when appropiate.
Tempshock + facemelter effin shreds, and also neurotoxin, unmention here can help crowd control builds with sludge since it adds 33 percent damage and infects corroded bois. Also why would you unequip t4??? Overdrive seems fine for chonky bois and wide lens kinda overheats too fast but also kills swarmers with ease.
Another point against cryo: Fire is the only status effect in the game (apart from slow and stun) that all 4 classes have access to. You are going to be constantly competing for heat in a lot of cases.
like, no, never compete in adding status you are a cryo cannon with cold radiance, if you ar eplaying with casuals who dont care about resupping for just 1 grenade you would never have a problem with that unless you are the stupid one to actually use cryo to freeze but not to tempshock ignited by your team
I had similar thoughts long ago, frozen is such a valuable status that I realized I don't want to remove it. CWC damage also gets tripled by it like any direct damage. Boiler ray is also nice for killing packs of swarmers or jellyfish. So it was a no-brainer for me.
@@CubeBizz nope, general builds are the best builds, having prepared against dreadnought means you prepared for any EDD situation even against dreadnought swarm
i really wonder, does it even possible to complete a "hard" mission type on H5A (what the heck "A" even stands for?) with 4 people? like, i cant even see a way to defeat 1 swarm there
Hazard 5+ All modifiers, some people call it Haz 5 2222, some just Haz 5+ all Honestly, first time I hear that abbreviation as well, but I'm almost certian it is what it meant
I can't think of any other examples of this in the game but it is worth noting in this case that tier 2 A and C on the wavecooker have the same icon, so briefly showing the pause menu loadout technically doesn't show the whole loadout. Of course, there's the fact that slower heat buildup is usually always better than faster recovery, and it can probably be assumed that A will always be used instead of C in that tier, but sometimes it's fun to be a little pedantic.
@@justsomejerseydevilwithint4606 worst idea on scout is to take status effect no damage primary, there is no good secondary to actually dead damage to anything
@@D3lpDelight IDK man, Imbedded dets Zhukovs has consistently held up on Haz 5 for me. I'm not one to run support scout, sure, but a guy used the new drak overclock on the EDD with me as pure freeze icegun, and it was VERY effective. As I said, it stunlocked dreadnaughts.
@@justsomejerseydevilwithint4606 used and got lucky to run from danger ≠ as kill your threats, scout has very little options that are strong against anything but embedded are situational, they are good but as somgle target but actually cryo minelets is like a trade for speed of kill to the time goven to kill but damage is the same becuase you kill frozen praetorians
Unrelated, but is the perk where loot bugs get one shot in a certain radius if you useful? Can you use them as bootleg c4s that require you to get near them or is it a joke? (Sorry, I don’t have perk points cause I’m new and I don’t want to spend it on it until I know that it does something)
It just pop them like shooting them would, so no bootleg C4. It's just a silly perk made for fun, if you want to use your perk points on something useful, I'd recommend dash, iron will and field medic for actives (heightened senses if you play a lot of solo), and ressuplier, born ready and vampire for passives
@@EnableTheGame I already use born ready dash and field medic with resupply, but I don’t think vampirism is as good as the 15 max mineral one (side note I only play engi)
@@KaihanFidaiy deep pockets is a fine perk, I like it for the quality of life. However, I usually use vampire because it can help clutch with iron will, since regaining health during the last stand will make it so you don't get downed again after it's over. There are other good passive perks if you don't want to run vampire or born ready, like unstoppable, elemental insulation, the red sugar one, deep pockets and probably some other I'm forgetting
i'd argue its actively harmful in many cases, and not just because of the missing opportunity cost. getting up in melee range of a lootbug means all its loot is ejected out directly into your inventory; while shooting from a distance causes it to explode and scatter all over the cave. IABT basically guarantees you will always have to run around picking up little scraps all the time which can be especially detrimental in complex, wide-open rooms.
It's A Bug Thing is certainly useful. However it will never truly be "META" because it diminishes in value the more players have it equipped. A single player using IABT can increase the mineral gathering efficiency of a team quite a bit, especially over the course of a long mission. However, bear in mind that loot bugs do not spawn in Escort Duty missions. Other than that, it's pretty good if you're undecided on your final passive perk. Don't take out something you depend on for IABT, but if you've got a free slot throw it on. Worst case you unequip it after a few missions if you don't like it.
I get where you're coming from I guess, but when it comes to praetorians, why not just refreeze them when using temp shock? This doesn't work nearly as well with oppressors, but still, I feel like it's a question worth asking.
bad name i used haz5+max totally understandible, dissagree plus there are markings like haz5+2/2/2/2 for different options and haz5 plus all modifiers, clrealy haz5A this A oart means all but it would be more ubderstandable to call it haz5AM means its time to stop and go to sleep gg see you on Hoxxes
Ay the one I voted for, got a video before the others excluding platform. Which means a lot of people voted for this, nice. I thank the voters, I think, hopefully.
Temp shock with exothermic reactor decimates enemies faster and keeps the ones around them frozen. Boiler ray hampers that ability to deal with pretorians better, and oppressors don't like being frozen long, so imo i still prefer temp overrall.
Im gonna have to disagree with boiler ray being better on cryo then temperture shock, the real beauty of temperature shock cooker is with temperature amplifier not only killing the frozen enemy but quickly spreading the temperature to other enemies, making ideal for swarms of grunts and if a pretorian or other similarly healthy enemy so happens to be caught in the swarm they can get constantly frozen and temp shocked with just the cooker alone, sure you can do the same with the flamethrower but i think cryo is better since enemies stay alive longer in cryo compared to fire giving more room to spread temperature to others. Sure it isnt the best against single target but if thats the case driller have even more tools in his kit to deal with that aswell whether it be axes c4 or even drills.
@@kismet4918 people say this because you with temp shock, reapplying the status to the tanky enemies gives you multiple opportunities to deal the temp shock damage. It's not just about the spread.
Not disagreeing with the sentiment expressed, but I have to comment that boiler ray is just so slow compared to temp shock. In practice it doesn't really matter because they are frozen anyways, but slowly chipping down a frozen enemy with the cooker's pitiful dps(even when tripled by cryo) and have it sometimes blow up everything around it just feels an order of magnitude worse than instantly obliterating everything on screen with temp shock.
for grunts the ttk is almost identical (which you'll most often end up blowing up) and swarmers of course way better since temp shock can't interact with them, otherwise it can be a bit slower in some cases
@@Jormmg with the new sticky ice overclock it's especially easy, since stuff passively is getting frozen and any slight amount of temperature being spread by temp amp in tier 3 will freeze most things pretty fast to set up for killing with cooker
Theres a mod that gets rid of all particle effects. Sadly there's not one that just removes particles when you're using the drills... I like the eye candy just not when im drilling
I replied earlier but I can't seem to see it, maybe it got filtered because I put a link. It's possible waste is using double-binding, where both Grenade and Laser Pointer/Pickaxe are bound to the same key, which makes it very consistent, even as a client. Technical DRG's github site (should be the second or third link, ends in "io") has a Tips n Tricks section dedicated to this. It could also just be really good execution, since that's possible if your fingers are fast enough.
Weapon wave cooker -Fully frozen patrol bots react the same way a pill bug would -Frozen Patrol bot received 22.5 damage -Unfrozen 7.5 -Temp shocking insta kills
Your feeling is right. Most direct damage is tripled (there's some weirdness with certain weapons where part of the damage is "radial" damage), but AoE damage isn't.
Im sorry but this absolutely does not convince me. How are you dealing with~80 damage to enemies with the wave cooker before temp shock procs. In practice it procs nearly instantly, and spreads cold, which lets you chain react, letting you easily clear huge waves of grunts with barely any ammo from either weapon. Boiler ray can do the same, but takes way more ammo to do it since you need to fully kill the enemy before getting the effect. I agree on HST’s in a co-op enviroment, but for grunts/general crowd clear temp shock is a clear winner
That math makes no sense on paper and also doesnt work in practice. Again, it procs nearly instantly and you dont even get CLOSE to dealing 80 damage before it procs
Apparently you didnt watch the video. He explains the math. To FROZEN enemies, they take 3x by any source. Wavecooker dealing 7 damage per tick, at a 25% chance for tempshock is about 4 ticks. It does feel like it procs fast but its still almost always 4 ticks. 7x3x4=84. Tempshock isnt the mod spreading cold to other enemies either, the t3 mod is. Tempshock gets rid of the cold status effect for 200 damage. His only argument is that Boiler ray can be better on cryo just because faster swarm clear with grunts on top of allowing the frozen status effect to remain on higher health targets for your team. Rather than u trying to freeze, tempshock, freeze, tempshock, freeze tempshock just to kill a Praetorian
@@VoxAstra-qk4jz The wide line barely increases the size of the shot, the ingame reticle is lying to you. The increase is tiny, not worth the overheating.
bro are you so damn stupid not to understand insignificance of tier 4 upgrade? ill tell you what, just go there yourself, take same cwc with you and press R button thats where the difference is bro, still cant believe R&D let them have it, can you do a popcorn with it actually? and its overheating stuff, seems like its still warm
"200 hp isn't much." says the person who brags about the EPC that deals 240 hp, a difference of 40 dmg points. the 25% means nothing with the wavecooker since it not only is an AOE based weapon, but largely a faster firing weapon over the other two choices, furthermore, boiler ray requires TERMINATION of the horde making the overall system terribly inefficient (unless blistering necrosis or the super focused lens is used), and does not give power to fight praetoreans and oppressors at all, unless enough members of a horde are around the glyphid, which is not a guaranteed. anyone who carries a cryocannon with cold radiance places more weight on the secondary to do all of the work. so, unless someone is carrying blistering necrosis all the time it is ok, but with any other overclock for the wavecooker it is terrible to go this way. i never use cold radiance anyway, but instead fragile (especially with this overclock as it is redundant to have two freeze mods) because it allows me to take more freeze, or more ammo without compromising the cryocannons power against the horde, and saving freeze for the bigger glyphids, thermal shock is most important. also, over kill means nothing with the wave cooker since the ammo count is much greater than the m1k, for example, where it does matter.
2:55 I think Waste was comparing the potential damage a frozen target could be taking at that part. And I agree with waste there, I usually just leave big frozen enemies for my team to kill rather than unfreezing them to deal 200 damage
@@kelpree frozen targets don't last long in frozen state, especially oppressors. if you have chew through a praetorean that is frozen, to get value out of boiler ray, then you will have to refreeze them anyway, this doesn't even include possible wave cooker cooldown, or other options that reduce the time to bring down a praetorean or oppressor. also, what happens when you are in a position where no team mates are? and why are you making them wase resources on something you can do yourself?
@@commonsense-og1gz Praetorians stay frozen for about 8 seconds. Additionally, we're supposed to have a competent teammate with us, that's the point of the "300 damage isn't much compared to what your team can do" argument is making. For the opressor. It's not uncommon to find a build that can deal more than 300 damage to a frozen enemy in one second. And I make sure everyone's focusing the darn thing before freezing it Shooting a frozen high priority target benefits both parties, since it saves ammo and time. And the faster that target is no longer a problem. The faster you get back on thinning the swarm for them But yeah, I prefer to use the temp shock whenever I'm playing solo or playing in lobbies I'm not sure about
the difference is that TCF is an unconditional (aside from hitting your shot) 240 damage in a large area with zero falloff which deals fire damage, which makes it incredibly strong for targets weak to fire, the raw damage number is not at all comparable because TCF's fire damage is doubled against targets like mactera or spitballers temp shock cooker with cryo requires you to spend primary ammo freezing a target, then removing the debuff just to deal a flat amount of damage as opposed to just tossing axes quickly at the frozen target which is in almost every scenario better than temp shock
@@gagooooooooooooooo while i will acknowledge that the wave cookers thermal shock does cancel the status effect, none of this matters, since the dmg is not about just about a thermal shock, it is about the total dmg of everything involved. you make the argument that the primary being involved is a problem, but the primary is always better than secondary for horde control, for both dmg and elemental status and thus will be used first anyway. by the way, the wave cooker uses fire and possibly rad dmg for standard shots. in short, the wave cooker is always doing dmg to the object regardless of shock, and it still does a great bit, 49 fire dmg per second with nothing selected for overclocks or tier selections. you will typically need roughly 1 second anyway to get a second TCF orb off, since charging is required.
@@Zachary910 no it's not. It's a modular customizable difficulty you can fine tune genius. you can't fine tune balancing issues like volatile bullets or neurotoxin payload, but you can haz5+. People like you just feel entitled to being able to complete the highest difficulty. Keep your ego in check maybe instead of trying to ruin people's fun.
@@thiccum2668 it certainly is, it’s an opt in feature that’s poorly balanced. Specific weapons are opt in as there is a variety of them. I haven’t suggested a specific change, so the accusation of ruining people’s fun is unfounded. The modding community has demonstrated that you can balance the game better for both higher difficulty and weapon balance. You have no experience in such things.
@@Zachary910 you missed the point entirely. it's not the fact it's opt in, it's that it is fine tuned to YOUR liking, and hazard 5+ is exactly the way YOU wanted. That is unless you forget that entirely just to go all modifiers and act like the devs did something wrong because of a choice YOU made. obviously all modifiers is going to be absurd and unbalanced... you put ALL of them on genius. my favorite way to play is just with both vulnerability modifiers because it challenges me to not get hit. but I guess you just like not being challenged and want the game's most... ahem... challenging option to fit your anti-challenge playstyle.
@@thiccum2668 the majority of features in this game are opt in. Whether in be the difficulty options, weapons, perks, or overclocks. This is the basis of choice and the analogous to tuning to your choosing how you play. That doesn’t mean features shouldn’t be adjusted because you can choose not to use them. Say that we follow the lines of “theyre ridiculous on purpose”, how is this better than a more challenging modular system that’s challenging in the right ways? If people largely conclude half of the options are stupid and other features are missing how is this a desirable end state? The majority of players don’t use vulnerability modifiers and neither do the modded hazard players but those difficulties are harder than maxed haz 5. This is a signal that the feature itself was poorly implemented because players who are better than either of us and the general public dislike it. I have beaten the game multiple times on max difficulty. You haven’t observed how I play so your claims about wanting to play in an anti challenging way are unfounded.
What a stupid author. Temp shock istakills all frozen enemies that are smaller than praetorian, instafreezes all bugs around the killed ones (and can freeze all the big bugs (I even managed to freeze goobombers with temp shock alone). And guess what, you don't have to temp shock the big bugs. But you still kill praetorians in two temp shocks.
I run crispr on driller most of the time and the combo with temp shock wave cooker is my favorite weapon combo in the game, feels the most synergistic across primary/secondary/and grenade when used with axes. Great waveclear with good answers to medium threat targets and passable performance on big boys like oppressors/spawners/detonators. Fantastic at its role and can jack of all trades decently
I'd like to argue the most synergistic build is ice lance cryo cannon and heavy hitter EPC with the mod burning nightmare.
It has an answer for anything. Big targets too dangerous upclose? Ice lance, spam EPC shots until overheat, rinse and repeat.
Opressors/praetorians/voidspawns/stingtail: freeze and impact axe.
Hordes get frozen upclose with cryo cannon. Barbed drills vampire makes it a nice frozen health smoothy.
Ceiling bugs get 2 taps from the EPC and burn to death
Swarmers and nanocytes get the cryo cannon
Mactera get the cryo cannon treatment
@@ValkryNLwhat are the builds on your weapons for this?
I’ve also found that t3b temperature amplifier actually gets some use with boiler ray; it’s good for keeping single targets and groups frozen as you focus on them, and lets you freeze spare enemies walking past the bug(s) you were whittling down, instead of needing to swap back to cryo cannon to deal with them.
That's some fun timing lol, I just posted a 7x2 EDD run a friend and I did where I took cryo cannon + max width boiler ray Wavecooker so this topic is very fresh on my mind. The usefulness of boiler ray is vastly better compared to temp shock for so many reasons. Some of them you mentioned like just doing more damage and not messing up your strong, harder to apply cryo effect, but another interesting thing about cryo that makes temp shock less appealing with it is that some enemies will "save" where they are in their attack animations. For example, if a spitballer is frozen immediately before it attacks and then unfreezes, it wont restart its attack animation, it will just immediately shoot. I havent had a chance to test with barrage infectors yet but I'm sure they're similar. This means if you accidentally temp shock one of these at a bad time you can instantly lose a large chunk of your hp just because you shot a bit of wavecooker in the wrong direction and it clipped a frozen spitballer/infector. This accidentally 'clipping' of targets you dont want to shoot is extremely easy with wavecooker unless you run minimum width. Therefore, you essentially cut off directions where you can shoot at because temp-shocking large, non-oneshottable targets out of freeze is detrimental to you and your team and actually anti-synergistic with cryo. Boiler ray avoids this issue while also allowing you to oneshot large groups of frozen enemies the same way you'd want to with temp shock.
Another benefit of boiler ray is that its just better on its own. With boiler ray, you can very very easily oneshot entire waves of swarmers/naedocytes while using maybe 2-10 ammo depending on how clumped they are. This has a lot of great usecases, for example you can spend 2 ammo and instantly clear all swarmers off a teammate, or spend 5-10 ammo and instantly clear a room of naedocytes after a breeder spent its sweet time in there. Its also quite good vs mactera if they clump up, as the explosion can lead to a chain reaction that kills entire waves of mactera. Good if you dont want to or cant get close to freeze/c4 them. All in all, it allows wavecooker to be a weapon of its own rather than simply an accessory to cryo cannon, while also letting you delete groups of frozen grunts the way temp shock does.
Also fun fact, boiler ray is actually extremely strong with blistering necrosis because boiler ray explosion gets procced when you kill the blisters with it. Can lead to some huge burst damage and potentially even one-shots depending on your luck with placing boils.
Boiler ray procing on blisters is big, I need to try this ty
What builds do you use on the weapons?
I personally enjoy Cryo w Temp Shock, but mainly for ammo economy. Love being able to freeze a couple grunt-sized enemies in the middle of a crowd and use their explosions to freeze the rest, especially since enemies tend to walk through their frozen comrades. Makes it easier to lean into cold instead of ammo for the CC's upgrades as well. Agree that it's not worthwhile on larger enemies, but axes exist so not really a downside for me. Will give Boiler Ray a try though
can you please continue the overclock tierlist with lazymaybe?
Peak content if it happens
Fr I would love to see them do the the tier list of the new OC's
YES, PLEASE! And ordering the first tier for extra spice
The big difference between the two is that temp shock, when it procs, kills immediately. When using boiler ray you have to wait for your enemy to die first before it's ever useful, and by the time it does anything, everything around your target is already low HP or dead. That's not even accounting for the post-partum effect of tempshock.
It works especially better with CWC's wide lens mod where you have a whole bunch of enemies grouped together, which each have its own chance to roll temp shock.
Main benefit of Boiler Ray imo is mixed swarms, especially consisting of swarmers. If there's a weak bug in the AoE with Boiler Ray, then that weak bug will be the downfall of the entire swarm, where fire or cryo shock generally just spreads fire/freeze and doesn't do anything else.
It also pairs handily with the Blistering Necrosis OC, since it's quite literally the same random proc mechanic as Temp Shock, without the overkill as you mentioned in the video.
Overall Boiler Ray just turns CWC into an alternative flamethrower-like weapon, in my opinion. Or something of its own unique class, ish.
I find your commentated gameplay more interesting then normal gameplay videos. I find them informative
a real eye-opener wow. I consider myself a very good player (can do haz 5 and EDD solo on all classes + can hard carry in multiplayer) yet i didn’t realize what is seemingly an obvious mistake. And this vid is perfect too because my go-to build for driller is ice spear cryo cannon + mega power supply wave cooker. Thanks a lot!! Really helpful content as usual.
(i’d also appreciate it if you can point me towards where i can possibly get more info like this to optimize my builds even further)
never felt like you were wasting ammo? i hate cyro cannon for this exact problem
Check out LazyMaybe. He doesn't really give out build advice but he has good information
theres a spreadsheat in waste's discord with optimal builds
@@loafofbread9400 not really. Although the flamethrower and sludge pump have way better ammo economy, cryo cannon isn't too bad. Just take temperature amplifier on tier 3 on the wave cooker. If you freeze a couple of enemies, hitting them with the wave cooker will "spread" cold on other enemies, freezing them as well. Check out Drilling In the Name Of's video titled "Wave Cooker Synergy Builds!". There's a good demonstration at 8 mins 05 secs into the vid. I too hated the cryo cannon at first but the safety it provides really cannot be beat. If you find yourself surrounded, just hold left click for a few secs and all the enemies are frozen (not to mention you can vampire back all your health since your drills would also deal increased damage to enemies). Also remember to utilize cold radiance on the cryo cannon, that's gonna help out a ton in conserving ammo.
Also thank you for y'all's suggestions!
@@BenisMannn is it a google spreadsheet? any chance you can link it?
yapping again i see
SNOOPINGAS USUAL, I SEE.
I ll watch this fella yappin any time, i love this kind of content
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The main reason I run tempshock with cryo is how damn satisfying it is when you immediately sizzle a bunch of grunts and it freezes the surrounding grunts allowing for this sadistic chain reaction. As for the fire I should probably give it another chance, but it didn't feel as noticeable both in terms of effectiveness because fire is mostly enough or in terms of enjoyment because the bugs get incinerated anyway
I'll preface this by saying Driller is by FAR my least favorite/played class so I don't put the same amount of effort/thought into thinking about his builds as the other classes so I've always used Exothermic Reactor since it seemed like an obvious, easy combo. I did note that it was a bit of a liability against larger targets but, with my relative disinterest in the class, never gave it more thought. This video took less than half of it's short runtime to convince me to use Boiler Ray instead and I'm a little disappointed in myself that I didn't think of doing it myself sooner seeing as I usually spend a lot of time in the lab lol. Thanks, dude!
I feel you, I neglected Boiler Ray for a long time for temp shock builds and I've honestly been missing out a lot, and I play plenty of Driller.
@@veryheavyalan I have since tried Boiler Ray as a Cryo Driller and I can officially say it works very well! Killing bigger targets feels better and I barely notice a difference in clearing crowds. I have a friend who plays a lot of Cryo Driller so I'll have to make sure he knows about this too next time we play!
Great video. Definitely going to change up my cooker build with cryo. Temp shock has it's fun moments, but breaking frozen on big stuff, then swapping back to frozen, and again, always felt inefficient and wasteful. Glad to find a better option. Rock and stone!
Loving the yap, loving the background gameplay. Thoughts on crystal nucleation? Good OC?
Why does he skip over all the fossils and nitra? Is this a speedrun?
@@queasc0220 When you're doing higher hazards (like 7x2, etc) you look to get the mission done and that's it, because if you faff around for secondaries or other stuff you're gonna die. 5a probably isn't hard enough that you can't get other stuff, but if going quick is the way you like to play...
@@w1q2e3r4t5 k. What does 7x2 mean?
@@queasc0220 it's a no resupply no downing maximum difficulty. neither nitra nor secondary objective is necessary for that
it's sticky flame but cryo, it's indeed good
it's very ammo efficient at freezing enemies too
Given that we have now a couple of new OCs (plus one reworked and one u forgot about last time), is there a chance for an update to the OC tier list?
I get your point on not wanting to temp shock larger targets. My counter point is that you want to surround bigger targets with grunts and try to chain proc the mist around the bigger target. Constantly refreezing it whilst conserving primary ammo. Unless i am incorrect but can you not just repeatdely cause temp shock to large targets his way, if you circle a large group of enemies procing the mist
I mean yeah waste mentions in the video that it’s a viable thing, it’s just that you should be running flamethrower over cryo for tempshock builds because it relights stuff way easier than cryo refreezes. Also I’d have to check this but my suspicion is that most relevant enemies have lower ignite thresholds than freeze ones so the critical density where tempshock properly chains might be lower for fire than cryo
Yeah your logic is sound except refreezing praetorians is a slog, as opposed to reigniting them with heat spread. Which is why temp shock is good with flamer and boiler with cryo. Also helps that swarmers and naedocytes are much more annoying for cryo, and boiler ray helps with that.
@@primcrane8736 fair enough. I am going to have to try it out and see. I had never considered sticky flames re proccing temp shock
temp amp in tier 3 has the same effect while letting you blow up grunts and stuff near the praetorian and also dealing boosted direct damage to the praet
Burning nightmare EPC can also temp shock. Take heavy hitter as OC. I like temp shock as a way to consume fire Damage over Time to burst damage. So set them on fire from afar using EPC. When they get close, temp shock using cryo cannon. Very good synergy especially with cryo cannon tier 5 mod giving 60 freezing power from 4 meter
Heya Waste! Very doubtful you'll ever see this comment; but if you do: THANK YOU! You have summed up my thoughts on this subject perfectly! Amazing!
Hey Waste, I know this is off topic compared to this video, but I would love to hear your opinion on Rotary Overdrive, and how you feel it fits in and compares to LS's other OC's. Thanks again!
Rotary Overdrive is quite cool and well balanced relative to the other minigun OCs. It's uniquely positioned to abuse AV spam while maintaining high minigun uptime, which makes it great in solo, but I probably wouldn't use it over BrH in teams. Still, great overclock and a solid addition to minigun''s already solid lineup.
@@pvewaste Thanks for the reply; I appreciate your insight. I've been an avid Hellfire and LSLS user for a long time now, but I have found myself enjoying Rotary Overdrive quite a lot.
tempshock+facemelter is certified funny
It is funny to see balancing vision around Colette and Subata. No specialized choice for cryo combo, and the best choices for cryo are the mods that considered to be more on generalist side, yet specialized one - Penetration for Subata and Boiler Ray for Colette.
Anyway, it's not that bad as it might be, these choices might be great, I will try out Boiler Ray and any other build for each class without forcing myself for cryo temp shock.
P.S. Funnier is that EPC has two options to play without triggering cryo temp shock, compared with other two weapons.
When I first tried this combo out I wasn't sure the Boiler Ray wasn't being cancelled by the frozen status effect, as most frozen targets don't trigger normal on-death reactions. The visual effect was so faint I didn't notice it was working at all in my first test run. (This was before the video came out, I will try it again now that I know it works.)
Oooo will try it next time I play! Definitely been on the temp shock train all these time.
If you freeze big and small enemies together, proc temp shock on a big enemy for instant dmg, then proc temp shock on a small enemy, you can immediately re-freeze the big enemy due to status effect spread of temp shock. Thoughts on using this multiple times to quickly kill large enemies on haz5 and 5a?
will you ever do a ranking/best build video on the 12 new overclocks?
Yes
Generally I just dont run wave cooker with cryo cannon at all since imo its the weakest option to run with it since you dont really need to bolster crowd clear more as opposed to having more sustained tools to take down big or priority targets you freeze. Driller already has amazing options for taking on hordes of enemies even when using cryo cannon compared to the crowd clear potential of crspr so bolstering his single target with EPC i find to be just overall better or even just use EPC with TCF to then have single target and crowd clear as a back up with it in case you run low on other options but ya really shouldnt if you play driller well. I do hope in the future though that wave cooker and subata get tweaks to perform better overall with his primaries since they both are kind of subpar and only perform well with crspr, and even then crspr drillers might still want TCF
Is that t2a or t2c on the wave cooker? For some reason they decided to use the same symbol for both
T2a
@@pvewaste thanks!
hey waste, a pretty informative video, thank you. could i also ask how to get better at ammo economy? i tend to almost run out after one haz5 swarm
dude just.. like… try to think no? ot os like… straight-forward bruh… like there are like many obvious options and combinations for some classes like… 😂
@@D3lpDelight try to use your vocabulary more
kinda late, but just overall tips or for specific classes? driller and gunner have it easier in the ammo department, while engie and scout can struggle more.
outside of simply "being more efficient" with aim, aoe, etc. it's always important to try and use your secondary to help out your primary
generalist weapons like leadstorm or lok may struggle more with ammo because you can use them for "everything", but you should make use of your secondary when appropiate.
why you dont pick t4 upgrades for wave cooker? they only have drawbacks if you activate them
the tier has the drawback of disabling wave cooker inspect animations
@@pvewaste lol
At long last, I finally got Shield Battery Booster.
I can finally say Goodbye to Overturned Particle Accelerator.
Tempshock + facemelter effin shreds, and also neurotoxin, unmention here can help crowd control builds with sludge since it adds 33 percent damage and infects corroded bois. Also why would you unequip t4??? Overdrive seems fine for chonky bois and wide lens kinda overheats too fast but also kills swarmers with ease.
Another point against cryo: Fire is the only status effect in the game (apart from slow and stun) that all 4 classes have access to. You are going to be constantly competing for heat in a lot of cases.
like, no, never compete in adding status you are a cryo cannon with cold radiance, if you ar eplaying with casuals who dont care about resupping for just 1 grenade you would never have a problem with that unless you are the stupid one to actually use cryo to freeze but not to tempshock ignited by your team
I love your voice :3 also this is a really good point great video :D
What do you think of tuned cooler because it got buffed
I had similar thoughts long ago, frozen is such a valuable status that I realized I don't want to remove it. CWC damage also gets tripled by it like any direct damage. Boiler ray is also nice for killing packs of swarmers or jellyfish. So it was a no-brainer for me.
nobrainer to take no single target class? yes, you are clearly talking about this
@@D3lpDelight What are you yapping about, you have axes and drills
@@CubeBizz tell this to the dreadnought single target axes and drills
@@D3lpDelight Dreadnought is just one mission type my brother for which you bring specific builds anyway
@@CubeBizz nope, general builds are the best builds, having prepared against dreadnought means you prepared for any EDD situation even against dreadnought swarm
i really wonder, does it even possible to complete a "hard" mission type on H5A (what the heck "A" even stands for?) with 4 people? like, i cant even see a way to defeat 1 swarm there
Hazard 5+ All modifiers, some people call it Haz 5 2222, some just Haz 5+ all
Honestly, first time I hear that abbreviation as well, but I'm almost certian it is what it meant
@@MrProboina well, its obvious what it means , but the question is (even though i worded it incorrectly) how he came up with it
@@D-N-0 H5A - Hazard 5 All
Yeah, I think it's on average actually easier than 6x2, you just have to play quite differently
@@pvewaste wait, THERE WAS "6" BEFORE "2"!? Ya'll straight up insane playing that 0-0
New weapon tierlist when?
I love video game science
For the future, could you show the loadout for the guns in the begining of the video? like i want to try this out but i have no idea what mods u use
They did. See 0:05
you can see the loadout when I pause in the beginning, but just for reference it's 32132 Crystal Nucleation + 31202 Boiler Ray
@@pvewaste Im sorry, father waste, for my simple mistake. Please forgive me in the name of Karl.
@@semm_kok2283 i guess you could say, you've "waste-ed" his time with this comment 😎
I can't think of any other examples of this in the game but it is worth noting in this case that tier 2 A and C on the wavecooker have the same icon, so briefly showing the pause menu loadout technically doesn't show the whole loadout.
Of course, there's the fact that slower heat buildup is usually always better than faster recovery, and it can probably be assumed that A will always be used instead of C in that tier, but sometimes it's fun to be a little pedantic.
What are your thoughts on the new scorching tide oc? Figured I would ask here since it’s your most recent post
It's fine. Good in solo, but probably not dethroning FSD/sticky or the other strong solo builds. Iffy in teams. Fun gimmick though.
@@pvewaste fair enough
Icegun is a REALLY powerful support tool, so I run overtuned cooler.
support tool to become the utility of some randoms… so true and so altruistic!
@@D3lpDelight There's also a new Plasma rifle overclock that makes it proc EVEN FASTER, which allows you to basically stunlock dreadnaughts
@@justsomejerseydevilwithint4606 worst idea on scout is to take status effect no damage primary, there is no good secondary to actually dead damage to anything
@@D3lpDelight IDK man, Imbedded dets Zhukovs has consistently held up on Haz 5 for me. I'm not one to run support scout, sure, but a guy used the new drak overclock on the EDD with me as pure freeze icegun, and it was VERY effective. As I said, it stunlocked dreadnaughts.
@@justsomejerseydevilwithint4606 used and got lucky to run from danger ≠ as kill your threats, scout has very little options that are strong against anything but embedded are situational, they are good but as somgle target but actually cryo minelets is like a trade for speed of kill to the time goven to kill but damage is the same becuase you kill frozen praetorians
Unrelated, but is the perk where loot bugs get one shot in a certain radius if you useful? Can you use them as bootleg c4s that require you to get near them or is it a joke? (Sorry, I don’t have perk points cause I’m new and I don’t want to spend it on it until I know that it does something)
It just pop them like shooting them would, so no bootleg C4. It's just a silly perk made for fun, if you want to use your perk points on something useful, I'd recommend dash, iron will and field medic for actives (heightened senses if you play a lot of solo), and ressuplier, born ready and vampire for passives
@@EnableTheGame I already use born ready dash and field medic with resupply, but I don’t think vampirism is as good as the 15 max mineral one (side note I only play engi)
@@KaihanFidaiy deep pockets is a fine perk, I like it for the quality of life. However, I usually use vampire because it can help clutch with iron will, since regaining health during the last stand will make it so you don't get downed again after it's over. There are other good passive perks if you don't want to run vampire or born ready, like unstoppable, elemental insulation, the red sugar one, deep pockets and probably some other I'm forgetting
i'd argue its actively harmful in many cases, and not just because of the missing opportunity cost. getting up in melee range of a lootbug means all its loot is ejected out directly into your inventory; while shooting from a distance causes it to explode and scatter all over the cave. IABT basically guarantees you will always have to run around picking up little scraps all the time which can be especially detrimental in complex, wide-open rooms.
It's A Bug Thing is certainly useful. However it will never truly be "META" because it diminishes in value the more players have it equipped.
A single player using IABT can increase the mineral gathering efficiency of a team quite a bit, especially over the course of a long mission. However, bear in mind that loot bugs do not spawn in Escort Duty missions. Other than that, it's pretty good if you're undecided on your final passive perk.
Don't take out something you depend on for IABT, but if you've got a free slot throw it on. Worst case you unequip it after a few missions if you don't like it.
cool that makes sense
Dude wtf I was looking for a video like this a few hours ago lmao
Any particular reason for taking the lootbug while leaving the other minerals?
I get where you're coming from I guess, but when it comes to praetorians, why not just refreeze them when using temp shock? This doesn't work nearly as well with oppressors, but still, I feel like it's a question worth asking.
use slidge blast to deal with tanks bro and there would be no questions with no damage against dreadought and 0,0001 second freeze time of oppressors
What does "Hazard 5 A" mean? Is it another name for Hazard 5+2222?
Yes
bad name i used haz5+max totally understandible, dissagree plus there are markings like haz5+2/2/2/2 for different options and haz5 plus all modifiers, clrealy haz5A this A oart means all but it would be more ubderstandable to call it haz5AM means its time to stop and go to sleep gg see you on Hoxxes
Can you provide an overclock tierlist again for the new Season? Pleaseeseeeeeeee
Ay the one I voted for, got a video before the others excluding platform. Which means a lot of people voted for this, nice. I thank the voters, I think, hopefully.
Hmm can I know how you make your game brighter?
Temp shock with exothermic reactor decimates enemies faster and keeps the ones around them frozen. Boiler ray hampers that ability to deal with pretorians better, and oppressors don't like being frozen long, so imo i still prefer temp overrall.
It's impressive how you foght back cave leach with melee
Im gonna have to disagree with boiler ray being better on cryo then temperture shock, the real beauty of temperature shock cooker is with temperature amplifier not only killing the frozen enemy but quickly spreading the temperature to other enemies, making ideal for swarms of grunts and if a pretorian or other similarly healthy enemy so happens to be caught in the swarm they can get constantly frozen and temp shocked with just the cooker alone, sure you can do the same with the flamethrower but i think cryo is better since enemies stay alive longer in cryo compared to fire giving more room to spread temperature to others. Sure it isnt the best against single target but if thats the case driller have even more tools in his kit to deal with that aswell whether it be axes c4 or even drills.
Idk why ppl say this so much, temp amp is a t3 mod that you’d take regardless of using temp shock or boiler.
@@kismet4918 people say this because you with temp shock, reapplying the status to the tanky enemies gives you multiple opportunities to deal the temp shock damage. It's not just about the spread.
c4 absolutely isn't good single target damage. It's hardly okay aoe damage
XD other songle target options :
axes, c4
😂😂😂 TELL THIS TO DREADNOUGHT DRILLA
@@D3lpDelight lmao you can use ice spear, and relying on your secondary for crowds lets you use it pretty generously
What's the mod to see the build at the escape menu as on 00:05?
it's part of the base game.
Btw could you show us in the next video or reply to this comment if you use "hold to sprint" and your gameplay settings?
I don't
what kind of MANIAC LEAVES A CARGO CRATE UNTOUCHED!?
ive bee thinking about this for some time, especially against swarmers. your utility is shrank so much just by going temp shock.
Not disagreeing with the sentiment expressed, but I have to comment that boiler ray is just so slow compared to temp shock. In practice it doesn't really matter because they are frozen anyways, but slowly chipping down a frozen enemy with the cooker's pitiful dps(even when tripled by cryo) and have it sometimes blow up everything around it just feels an order of magnitude worse than instantly obliterating everything on screen with temp shock.
This is the main reason why I run temp shock on both crispr and cryo, I got hard addicted to that spreading of ice and completely wiping out waves
for grunts the ttk is almost identical (which you'll most often end up blowing up) and swarmers of course way better since temp shock can't interact with them, otherwise it can be a bit slower in some cases
@@gagooooooooooooooo Hmm alright I'll try i out
@@Jormmg with the new sticky ice overclock it's especially easy, since stuff passively is getting frozen and any slight amount of temperature being spread by temp amp in tier 3 will freeze most things pretty fast to set up for killing with cooker
How do you get it so that when you're drilling you can see where you're going? Is that in the vanilla settings or is there a mod for that?
There is mod that removes effects
@@bullet3417 thanks
Theres a mod that gets rid of all particle effects. Sadly there's not one that just removes particles when you're using the drills... I like the eye candy just not when im drilling
How do you axe cancel so quickly? It looks inhumanely fast, way faster than I can cancel. Do you use a mod?
I replied earlier but I can't seem to see it, maybe it got filtered because I put a link.
It's possible waste is using double-binding, where both Grenade and Laser Pointer/Pickaxe are bound to the same key, which makes it very consistent, even as a client. Technical DRG's github site (should be the second or third link, ends in "io") has a Tips n Tricks section dedicated to this. It could also just be really good execution, since that's possible if your fingers are fast enough.
Please, do driller guide
Yo I also don't put upgrades into wave cooker tier 4 xD
Waste by this rate you are going to beat ME in yaplympics, I'm impressed.
We need build videos for the new OCs!!!!!! 😘
How does cryo work on rivals? I forget.
Weapon wave cooker
-Fully frozen patrol bots react the same way a pill bug would
-Frozen Patrol bot received 22.5 damage
-Unfrozen 7.5
-Temp shocking insta kills
Anyone know if boiler ray explosion damage is tripled by the frozen effect? I saw someone claim it was but that feels wrong to me
Only direct damage is boosted by the frozen status effect. AoE is not boosted.
Your feeling is right. Most direct damage is tripled (there's some weirdness with certain weapons where part of the damage is "radial" damage), but AoE damage isn't.
Sound, thanks for the answers!
Im sorry but this absolutely does not convince me. How are you dealing with~80 damage to enemies with the wave cooker before temp shock procs. In practice it procs nearly instantly, and spreads cold, which lets you chain react, letting you easily clear huge waves of grunts with barely any ammo from either weapon. Boiler ray can do the same, but takes way more ammo to do it since you need to fully kill the enemy before getting the effect. I agree on HST’s in a co-op enviroment, but for grunts/general crowd clear temp shock is a clear winner
Temp shock has a 25% chance to proc. Wave cooker does 7 damage. 7*3*4=84 expected damage before temp shock procs.
That math makes no sense on paper and also doesnt work in practice. Again, it procs nearly instantly and you dont even get CLOSE to dealing 80 damage before it procs
Apparently you didnt watch the video. He explains the math. To FROZEN enemies, they take 3x by any source. Wavecooker dealing 7 damage per tick, at a 25% chance for tempshock is about 4 ticks. It does feel like it procs fast but its still almost always 4 ticks. 7x3x4=84. Tempshock isnt the mod spreading cold to other enemies either, the t3 mod is. Tempshock gets rid of the cold status effect for 200 damage. His only argument is that Boiler ray can be better on cryo just because faster swarm clear with grunts on top of allowing the frozen status effect to remain on higher health targets for your team. Rather than u trying to freeze, tempshock, freeze, tempshock, freeze tempshock just to kill a Praetorian
Hazard 5 A? Do you mean Hazard 5+?
Hazard5A = Hazard5 All (all + modifiers) iirc
@BelaBartok, but player invulnerability sucks. Why would someone enable it?
@@dinosaurkin5093 to make harder
I just wanna say that you forgot to rank roll control in your tier list
Added it in the release list at equal to base, but it would be outdated there anyways. Nowadays Roll Control is an S tier overclock.
brech cutter so strong omg
Why don't he take tier 4 mod for the wave cooker ?
Neither of the t4 mods do anything worthwhile and both lock you out of the fidget animation on the wave cooker, so some people like to skip them.
Both make the gun worse when they are active.
@@xxANBUxxThe wide lense has a small use case of deleating whole swarms of natocytes in one or two shots.
@@VoxAstra-qk4jz The wide line barely increases the size of the shot, the ingame reticle is lying to you. The increase is tiny, not worth the overheating.
bro are you so damn stupid not to understand insignificance of tier 4 upgrade? ill tell you what, just go there yourself, take same cwc with you and press R button thats where the difference is bro, still cant believe R&D let them have it, can you do a popcorn with it actually? and its overheating stuff, seems like its still warm
Is this gameplay on like haz 3, there are barely any enemies spawning
no this is just what haz 5 (and h5+) looks like in solo if you pace fast and kill enemies
Just admit it that you're struggling with haz 5+. And its okay, a lot of us vets are.
Why?
Someone say bro that Qmining was fixed/nerfed 3 years ago💀
He's right
"200 hp isn't much." says the person who brags about the EPC that deals 240 hp, a difference of 40 dmg points. the 25% means nothing with the wavecooker since it not only is an AOE based weapon, but largely a faster firing weapon over the other two choices, furthermore, boiler ray requires TERMINATION of the horde making the overall system terribly inefficient (unless blistering necrosis or the super focused lens is used), and does not give power to fight praetoreans and oppressors at all, unless enough members of a horde are around the glyphid, which is not a guaranteed.
anyone who carries a cryocannon with cold radiance places more weight on the secondary to do all of the work. so, unless someone is carrying blistering necrosis all the time it is ok, but with any other overclock for the wavecooker it is terrible to go this way. i never use cold radiance anyway, but instead fragile (especially with this overclock as it is redundant to have two freeze mods) because it allows me to take more freeze, or more ammo without compromising the cryocannons power against the horde, and saving freeze for the bigger glyphids, thermal shock is most important.
also, over kill means nothing with the wave cooker since the ammo count is much greater than the m1k, for example, where it does matter.
2:55 I think Waste was comparing the potential damage a frozen target could be taking at that part. And I agree with waste there, I usually just leave big frozen enemies for my team to kill rather than unfreezing them to deal 200 damage
@@kelpree frozen targets don't last long in frozen state, especially oppressors. if you have chew through a praetorean that is frozen, to get value out of boiler ray, then you will have to refreeze them anyway, this doesn't even include possible wave cooker cooldown, or other options that reduce the time to bring down a praetorean or oppressor.
also, what happens when you are in a position where no team mates are? and why are you making them wase resources on something you can do yourself?
@@commonsense-og1gz Praetorians stay frozen for about 8 seconds. Additionally, we're supposed to have a competent teammate with us, that's the point of the "300 damage isn't much compared to what your team can do" argument is making.
For the opressor. It's not uncommon to find a build that can deal more than 300 damage to a frozen enemy in one second. And I make sure everyone's focusing the darn thing before freezing it
Shooting a frozen high priority target benefits both parties, since it saves ammo and time. And the faster that target is no longer a problem. The faster you get back on thinning the swarm for them
But yeah, I prefer to use the temp shock whenever I'm playing solo or playing in lobbies I'm not sure about
the difference is that TCF is an unconditional (aside from hitting your shot) 240 damage in a large area with zero falloff which deals fire damage, which makes it incredibly strong for targets weak to fire, the raw damage number is not at all comparable because TCF's fire damage is doubled against targets like mactera or spitballers
temp shock cooker with cryo requires you to spend primary ammo freezing a target, then removing the debuff just to deal a flat amount of damage as opposed to just tossing axes quickly at the frozen target which is in almost every scenario better than temp shock
@@gagooooooooooooooo while i will acknowledge that the wave cookers thermal shock does cancel the status effect, none of this matters, since the dmg is not about just about a thermal shock, it is about the total dmg of everything involved. you make the argument that the primary being involved is a problem, but the primary is always better than secondary for horde control, for both dmg and elemental status and thus will be used first anyway.
by the way, the wave cooker uses fire and possibly rad dmg for standard shots. in short, the wave cooker is always doing dmg to the object regardless of shock, and it still does a great bit, 49 fire dmg per second with nothing selected for overclocks or tier selections. you will typically need roughly 1 second anyway to get a second TCF orb off, since charging is required.
Why would they nerf player vulnerability when you can just… turn it off? Laughably dogwater take
Same logic as why fix any balance issue, just ignore it.
@@Zachary910 no it's not. It's a modular customizable difficulty you can fine tune genius. you can't fine tune balancing issues like volatile bullets or neurotoxin payload, but you can haz5+. People like you just feel entitled to being able to complete the highest difficulty. Keep your ego in check maybe instead of trying to ruin people's fun.
@@thiccum2668 it certainly is, it’s an opt in feature that’s poorly balanced. Specific weapons are opt in as there is a variety of them.
I haven’t suggested a specific change, so the accusation of ruining people’s fun is unfounded.
The modding community has demonstrated that you can balance the game better for both higher difficulty and weapon balance. You have no experience in such things.
@@Zachary910 you missed the point entirely. it's not the fact it's opt in, it's that it is fine tuned to YOUR liking, and hazard 5+ is exactly the way YOU wanted. That is unless you forget that entirely just to go all modifiers and act like the devs did something wrong because of a choice YOU made. obviously all modifiers is going to be absurd and unbalanced... you put ALL of them on genius. my favorite way to play is just with both vulnerability modifiers because it challenges me to not get hit. but I guess you just like not being challenged and want the game's most... ahem... challenging option to fit your anti-challenge playstyle.
@@thiccum2668 the majority of features in this game are opt in. Whether in be the difficulty options, weapons, perks, or overclocks. This is the basis of choice and the analogous to tuning to your choosing how you play. That doesn’t mean features shouldn’t be adjusted because you can choose not to use them.
Say that we follow the lines of “theyre ridiculous on purpose”, how is this better than a more challenging modular system that’s challenging in the right ways? If people largely conclude half of the options are stupid and other features are missing how is this a desirable end state?
The majority of players don’t use vulnerability modifiers and neither do the modded hazard players but those difficulties are harder than maxed haz 5. This is a signal that the feature itself was poorly implemented because players who are better than either of us and the general public dislike it.
I have beaten the game multiple times on max difficulty. You haven’t observed how I play so your claims about wanting to play in an anti challenging way are unfounded.
What a stupid author.
Temp shock istakills all frozen enemies that are smaller than praetorian, instafreezes all bugs around the killed ones (and can freeze all the big bugs (I even managed to freeze goobombers with temp shock alone). And guess what, you don't have to temp shock the big bugs. But you still kill praetorians in two temp shocks.