The Hans Problem
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 3 ก.ค. 2024
- Is the big Hans twist reveal at the end of Frozen a good payoff, or does Hans as a character make no sense?
00:00 Intro
01:59 Recapping Hans
03:10 Hans is Too Good
05:55 Trolls Theory
09:49 Rewrites
11:02 Hans is good, actually
17:31 Non Plot Holes
20:37 Frozen doesn't explain things
22:20 Quick Rewrite
23:49 Conclusion
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Dude. I 100% remember the “oh anna. If only there was someone out there who loves you” scene from 10 years ago. We were watching it on a DVD in grade 8 EMS class. And we were talking among ourselves and then it happened and the whole class went dead quite and one girl went “shoo……”
I think a lot of people are waiting for a good Hans redemption in Frozen three and that would complete the trilogy.
Your explanations are reasonable as you point out there are no visible 'tells' that Hans is a villain other than in the song segment 'love is an open door', that he is number 13 which in some cultures is unlucky, and his sudden proposal and Anna excepting was 'crazy,'
But that being said, Hans behaved like a hero throughout the film, even by telling Anna the truth of his plains of marrying into the royal family either by Elsa or Anna. That's not a crime, that's just an episode of The Bachelor on ABC. (Disney owned)
And while in the library Hans was able to finish Anna's sandwich, I mean sentence '...a true love's kiss...' shows Hans knows how to break spells and he stopped himself just before kissing Anna because 'crazy' love doesn't qualify as true love.
He knew that he would have caught her cold curse and froze to death on the spot.
Look at 'The Princess and the Frog', when Tianna kissed a cursed Prince Naveen. Not love of any kind, only a kiss for 'gain' and that's a sin, hence, she was cursed as well.
Disney confirmed in Frozen 2 when Elsa froze into solid ice, the Olaf 'spell' dissolved, he was never 'alive' on his own. Hans was right. Killing Elsa would have broken her winter spell and saved Anna and all of Arendelle.
Hans was improvising throughout the film and that's why he has a fan base. Smart is the new sexy.
That's actually a pretty good theory as to why Hans refused to even try to kiss Anna. It didn't even cross my mind he could actually catch a curse trying to get rid of one for the wrong reasons.
Also, Olaf dissolving once Elsa "died" doesn't mean that Hans was right and killing Elsa meant that the winter curse on Arendale would have been lifted. Olaf is a living being, sustained by Elsa's magic alone so when she dies it makes sense he dies too. This rule may not apply to curses, which may persist sometimes after death. This reminds me of an manga/anime called Hunter x Hunter, where curses can remain and even grow stronger after the death of the wielder.
Thank you for your comment. I think that In western fairy tales killing the witch always breaks the spell.
Did you noticed that When Olaf flurried away, all that was left was a pile of snow, and the blue crocus flowers that were inside of him...Night Howlers perhaps? Was those flowers responsible for the quick and sudden change in an other wise perfect prince to turn into a maniac ? ..."get the fiancé out of the way..." I think Disney has been creating the "out" for Hans's redemption arc. But if the paying audience doesn't want it ,they won't bother. @@Nopeasaurus
The only reason people were able to predict that Hans would be the villain is because the movie makes a point of letting the audience know that they are actively subverting expectations by cheating. For example, Elsa might be right that you probably shouldn’t marry someone you just met but there’s no in-story reason for her to think that. She’s been locked in a castle her whole life. She’s not wise to the ways of the world or anything like that.
Your whole argument here is that the thematic elements are the foreshadow. The problem with that is that it means the characters are behaving according to the dictates of the story instead of the story growing out of the actions of the characters. That’s bad writing, not good writing.
I didn’t know anything about the source material or the production but was able to figure out that Elsa was the villain in the source material and that Hans being the villain was a last minute rewrite by just watching this movie and noticing how poorly it was handled.
Totally agree. Elsa telling Anna she shouldn't marry a man she just met makes little sense when you consider the setting of the story, which takes place in 18th century Norway. Anna is a princess, princesses marrying men they've never met is literally their job. I get this is a fairytale fantasy but there's only so much you can do to suspend the audience's disbelief until they start demanding answers. You can't expect me to believe that Elsa would disapprove of Anna's marriage to a prince of a neighboring kingdom but approve of Anna making out with a peasant in public and then, in the sequel, proceed to give said peasant highly coveted position of a lord for no other reason than so Anna can date him for the next three years. The lazy writing just astounds me. You've got to have a reason as to why a sheltered young 18th century queen thinks and acts like a 21st century woman. This could easily be solved by giving some in-world explanation but no, let's just take the lazy, self-indulgent way and pretend that nobody had to fight for their rights and everyone was so feminist and enlightened in the 18th century.
What if he is simply... An inconsistent person?
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I really enjoyed this. but do you realize that by suggesting how you would fix some scenes in frozen for Hans, only fortifies what many people view that his character was poorly written as he animated as a hero and there are plot holes?
My suggestion to 'fix' the Hans problem is maybe a 3second added scene in the garden while Hans and Anna are walking and a very good looking man walks past. Hans's attention is drawn to that man as he is momentarily distracted from Anna's conversation. viola! every adult would instantly know that he was gay. He could be the most wonderful, perfect guy in the world, but he would never really love Anna, so asking her to marry him would be a real sht-thing to do.
A bit late to the party here, but i watched this movie way too many times when my daughter was younger. TLDR, one of the worst villains in Disney history.
They hacked together a sudden twist at the 11th hour for two reasons (probably showed to a test audience and execs freaked out).
1. If Hans doesn't flip, then Elsa is the villain of the movie. She would have a redemption arc, but then they wouldn't sell any Elsa dolls (anyone see any maleficent dolls around their kids room?) Now she's just the ice queen that had an 'oopsie' ice age incident.
2. It was the only way to keep from leaving a romance thread dangling. If Hans didn't turn, then either he was going to be betrayed by Ana, or cristoff would be in a weird plutonic friend zone. Both could cause animosity towards Ana, thus less toy sales.
Who knows what actually happened.
What does make the hans twist effective is that gut punch feeling of someone you love and trusted betray you. Its realistic
It's not a convincing nor realistic betrayal because Anna barely knew Hans. She knew him for only a few hours before she accepted his marriage proposal and appointed him as regent of her kingdom. Her love for Hans was superifical and shallow, based on his looks and charm. If you can't marry a man you just met, then how can you trust a man you just met? A betrayal would be if you knew a person really well and then they left you for dead.
Was a pretty weak twist if you ask me. It's lazy writing and feels tacked on. Like they made the decision late in the making of the film.
Yeah, it definitely feels tacked on, which is weird since there’s so much foreshadowing that Hans is evil and yet when its finally revealed he is, i’m left scratching my head. Hans being evil has no place in the film. He’s not even the main villain: its fear. And his character is supposed to teach a lesson to girls not to fall for a man you just met. But 10 minutes later; Anna falls for Kristoff. Oh okay looks like that lesson wasn’t even learned, which means Hans being evil was pointless.
Hans parents and brothers are definitely going not to be very happy heard anything he did in arendelle
I'm ecstatic that someone else finally sees what I've been trying to tell people for years! I always knew something was off with Hans when I first watched Frozen in the theaters. What sealed it was the sandwich line. Later, when he revealed he was evil, I cheered because it confirmed my suspicion of him. The foreshadowing and manipulation was obvious, so I couldn't fathom why people were unable to see it and claimed Hans was a bad twist villain.
I fully agree with your excellent power of deduction for Hans' "plot holes" that people try to discredit his character with. These are the same logics that I've told people as well. However, I'd like to add a little something to it:
1) Being nice to the citizens: He's a foreigner in this land. If he straight up acted evil, no one would be willing to have him stay there or approve him marrying into the throne. While it's true that the royals are in charge of who marries, the citizens wouldn't listen to him if they saw his true colors. As a result, leading to a revolt. By being nice to the citizens, he gets a good reputation from the people, and that makes it easier for people to trust him and believe in him. As the saying goes, "You catch more bees with honey than with vinegar."
2) Standing up for Elsa when the Duke of Weselton was saying to kill her: He's trying to be in good terms with Anna. She loves her sister and wants her to be OK. He has to act the supporting part in order to not draw suspicion. If he agreed to the plan of killing Elsa, then if they investigated or if the people talked, they could point to him as a person of interest. By seemingly being on Anna's side, he doesn't appear to have any bad intentions. Not only that, it wasn't in private, this conversation was out in public. Imagine what the people would say if they hear him agreeing with the plan of killing Elsa despite their thoughts on the matter?
3) Possibly marrying Anna instead of killing her: While it could possibly work due to Anna's nativity, in the long run she'd be a hindrance. Especially how she's shown the lengths she would go to to help Elsa. She would discover his true self, and then she'd try to do everything in her power to stop him or expose him. She's a loose end that he has to tie up.
4) Revealing his plan: He has nothing to gain, but he already set himself up to kill Anna (tying loose ends as discussed previously). So, there's no need to keep quiet about the matter since she's going to die. It also would feel satisfying to rub salt in the wound when your plan is seemingly successful.
5) Looking evil when he's about to kill Elsa: While it's true he did not want to seem evil in the beginning of the movie. At this point, there was no solution to ending winter without killing Elsa (only logical solution for succeeding both his plan to be the sole ruler and stopping winter) and his plan had fallen smoothly (or so he thought). So, after he tells the officials about Anna's death (didn't happen), the marriage vows (lie), and charging Elsa with treason, that means he's at liberty to kill her for essentially putting the kingdom in jeopardy (intentional or not). He thinks he's accomplished his goal, so there's no need to hide. And even though we can see he looks evil, the people may not be able to see well because of how far away they are. Or they simply trust him from all the acts of kindness he's done previously.
I also like the take you said about getting to know someone first before you determine if they're good or bad. I didn't catch that lesson with Kristoff because we saw him as a cute little kid in the beginning of the movie. Also, he gave me a good feeling when he was on screen that I could immediately tell he was the good guy. But you're right, Anna was weary of Kristoff in the beginning and didn't know if she could trust him.
Again, loved your video and happy you pointed out the truth that people are still in denial about. Keep up the great work!