Honestly it would have been 10 times better if Hans did kiss Anna, and it didn't work anyways because it isn't true love (because they literally just met). It could still serve the purpose of rejecting the ideas of old Disney movies about love at first sight, while still making more sense. Plus, it would make Anna realize that maybe Elsa knew more about love than she gave her credit for, since she was the one who told her that you can't love someone you just met. And they could have had Weaselton trying to kill Elsa, and Anna sacrificing herself for her and all, so... it really baffles me that they didn't go for this way more logical option.
I think Hans could still try to kill Elsa but in a "Hold on, there's still time! I could still save you." And ye, out of desperation to save a girl he at least cares about by killing her sister cuz maybe Elsa's death would stop Anna's death and the winter Or Weaselton just gaslights and pressures a desperate Hans to help him kill Elsa and while Hans would be against it initially, he ultimately goes along with it to save both Anna and the kingdom
@@henrythef1guy768 In all honesty? Yeah, it would've been close to perfect, or at aleast would've been good. Most of Frozen's writing problems stem from the atrociously written "twist," which didn't even need to happen, but was probably included because the filmmakers prefer shock-value to actual quality storytelling.
I agree! I think I prefer Hans as Anna's love interest more than Kristoff. If anything, I kind of wish Kristoff was a gruff old man who could have acted as a father figure to Anna (since both of her actual parents focused more on Elsa), while Hans was her love interest. Instead of Hans being the villain, it could have ended that both of them realised that they barely know each other and what they felt wasn't "true love", so they agree to go on a date first (or keep in touch if Hans has to go back to his country).
They did Hans dirty. Elsa would have been a great villain and a sympathetic villain at that if they had gone down that road. Hell the Duke of Weaselton would have been a better villain making Hans the villain is the most stupidest thing. Throughout the movie we don't see any sign of him being the villain until Anna returns and he refuses to kiss her turning a 180 out of nowhere.
Yes that would work just as well. Probably better than what they conjured up here. And God forbid she had to choose between two great guys so make one a villain problem solved. Which is probably what they did.
@@aaronanders9368 I don't know. See, the problem I have with Elsa is that the movie portrays her as a misunderstood angel, but she has unintentional sinister undertones leftover from the earlier drafts where she was a villain. These sinister undertones would work in her favor if she was a vengeful villain that developed a second personality because of her repressed feelings. Which would reinforce Anna as the hero of the story since it would be up to her to redeem her.
@@vetarlittorf1807 NO! Can’t we just leave Elsa alone and just have her insecurities be the metaphorical villain instead? You stated in one of your comments I read that Pocahontas doesn’t need a villain and that the Native’s and the European settlers’ bigotry and racism was all the film needed as its conflict. So the same can work with Frozen. There doesn’t need to be a villain.
@@hunterolaughlin Nah. Pocahontas didn't need a villain because the tensions were already high because the settlers and the natives feared each other. But Frozen needs to have some sort of antagonist to increase tension. Otherwise the story has less weight. And having Elsa the villain would have made her more engaging and sympathetic.
I'm conflicted about Hans. On one hand, I totally understand what they were trying to do with this character. He's trying to represent the dangers of trusting strangers. On paper it sounds good. But on execution, it's extremely sloppy. Most of Hans's choices don't make any sense with his goals of taking over. Not to mention, having him named Hans after the original Author sounds very insulting.
I will never get over how they insult the original author by having him named Hans. Also they had Hans, who was nice to Anna and understanding be the bad guy, while Kristoff, who was rather insulting to Anna, be the good guy, who she ends up with. So people want to say the movie teaches young girls that love at first sight doesn't exist, but at the same time teach them to be with the guy who insults you. Okaaay... (And I do like Kristoff, but I don't like him and Anna as a couple.) And speaking of insulting, I didn't like how they insulted all their older movies, that made the company what it is. And I watched those movies as a child. And in movies where there is magic, and fairies, and talking animals, I never thought love at first sight was real, nor did I ever expect it. Let fairy tales be fairy tales with love at first sight and leave the preaching that love at first sight doesn't exist to more realistic stories. Don't insult fairy tales by doing that crap.
@@rosenightingale5611 how did they "insult" the original author? Like yes, Kristoff was kind of a jerk to Anna when they first met, but he changes throughout the movie once he gets to know her. You know, character development??
@@andieallison6792 By naming him Hans, you do know the author's name is Hans, right? I did say I liked Kristoff, didn't I? I liked him and Anna as friends by the end of it. What I was getting at is they were trying to go realistic about love at first sight not being real. And realistically if someone is a jerk to you in real life they don't change to not being one. I was talking about the themes and messages in the story, not denying or talking about character development.
@@rosenightingale5611 Hans, Kristoff, and Anna were all named after the author. First off, expecting a fantasy movie to subscribe to complete and total realism is ridiculous. Second, Kristoff wasn't that much of a jerk to Anna as you're thinking. Yeah he made a few snarky comments to a person who was just a total stranger to him and roped him into going to get Elsa, but that doesn't equate to him being a complete jerk all the time. Finally you can't complain about the "message" of a movie or its characters while disregarding the character development that they all go through.
@@star-boltlover9609 "Gets to know," lol. Yeah, in like, a total of three days? Remind me again, what sort of meaningful connection was there between Anna and Kristoff? Oh, that's right: none. Zero romantic chemistry. The first time I watched the movie, they felt more like strangers to me than she and Hans ever did. I still didn't know why I was supposed to root for them to get together. The relationship is not well developed, most things in this film aren't.
@@AnimaVox_ Literally Kristoff could've just been a friend to Anna, like why in the hell does she need to get with a man anyway? Elsa didn't why should she? It doesn't fit with her free spirit type personality.
@@Anonymous_Gambito do you realize how rabid that would end up? Almost another team Jacob team Edward bullshit. Honestly Disney missed something there. Would have made a lot of free marketing for Frozen just on that point alone 😂 I would have loved to see that. Team Hans all the way if they wouldn’t have butchered his character at the last second.
I like the theory that he was manipulated/spelled to become evil by the trolls or something. His backstory in the book doesn’t fix how random his character changes in the movie, but manipulation by magic _kind of_ makes sense in its context.
Modern Disney logic: Prince Hans, a lonely prince who clearly was never intended to be evil but almost took over a single kingdom in the last 10 minutes: an irredeemable monster who deserves NO sympathy. Namari, a person who literally caused the ENTIRE WORLD to be turned to stone except for a few, refused to help fix it, killed the savior dragon, blamed Raya for it, and never apologized for ANYTHING: a sad sympathetic soul who deserves COMPLETE sympathy and forgiveness at ALL COSTS.
The book Frozen Hearts makes the comparison worse because it goes as far to imply that Hans is depressed and even self harms. Dude should never have been a villain imo- more like a misguided antagonist who is redeemed. Or better yet, just a genuine guy who liked Anna
Here's what I believe they should have done. If they wanted Anna with Kristoff so badly, they should have done this: Hans meets Elsa at the coronation instead of Anna. Having Elsa be reserved and overall antagonistic but her friendship with Hans can teach her that she doesn't have to be so crude. Anna should have been somewhat bitter as well as angry that her own sister and parents are closing her out from their perspective. Maybe in a twist of fate Anna could have run away instead after being secluded for so long and Elsa and Hans have to find her and she met Kristoff in the same time frame. When they encounter one another, Elsa could still be pressured enough and lose control, freezing her heart. Or they could have kept the plot the same and have Elsa run away. If Anna and Hans are romanced, have him go with her to the North Mountain, while Weaselton who could have been the major villain takes over the throne. After the encounter with Anna and Elsa this time around, Kristoff meets Elsa and they become a thing. Honestly, Elsa and Kristoff both have things for ice yet either path could work. Overall, Anna and Elsa's sisterhood should be the main concentration, but Hans and Kristoff both could have worked with a few tweaks and changes in dialogue. Imagine a scene where either men runs for either sisters, and Weaselton stands over Elsa with a dagger about to kill her, only for Anna to do the same action she did in the film. Just give both sisters love interests. A simple solution.
@@RyanTheDark I really like that, and honestly, it probably would’ve made a much better story than what we got. And I think they knew it too, but they just really wanted to have it not be centered around love interests because “wHAT a tWIST!!!1!1” and also because of the bad lazy pop feminist critique of old Disney movies that they attempt to pander to.
And Hans’ being the twist villain gets even worse when you realize his plan was never going to work. Even if he succeeded, he still would never be king because that’s not how monarchies work. If he killed Elsa, Anna would become queen. If he married Queen Anna… he still wouldn’t become a king. He would just be the prince consort to Queen Anna. He can’t become the king of a different kingdom because that kingdom belongs to Anna’s family, not his. And as a prince, Hans should know this, he should know how royal succession works. But apparently he somehow doesn’t. The only way he would ever become king is if he became king of his home kingdom by murdering all his older siblings, thus making himself first in line for the throne. So really, why wasn’t that his plan to become king? The plot of the movie would have made more logical sense if Anna fell in love with Hans… and then later on learned that he’s actually evil cause he had murdered his own siblings to make himself first in line to his kingdom’s throne. Hans could’ve be like a dark reflection of what Anna could’ve become if she had let her heart become filled with resentment towards Elsa for abandoning her out of nowhere when they were kids, like how Hans had grown to hate his older siblings for treating him horribly. Maybe instead of having Hans be a generic villain who wants to be king because reasons, Hans could have been written to want to become king at all costs because his family never loved him, so, fuck em, he’ll kill them off, become king, and then he’ll finally receive love. He’ll become the caring, benevolent king of his kingdom and then he’ll be loved by his kingdom’s people. And when he met Anna, he could have genuinely cared about her and wanted to rush into marrying her because having her as his wife would mean he could have a real family that would truly love him.
Which is funny cause they actually get somethings right about the monarchy, like Anna very much so needing Elsa's permission to marry since she's her sovereign as well as heir.
I think that Weselton should have been the villain while Hans was a neutral character. For example, the kiss doesn’t work because Anna and Hans barely know each other, and Hans, out of desperation to save Anna, tries to kill Elsa, feeling guilty because his kiss didn’t work and angst because he didn’t want to take Anna’s beloved sister away. Hans showed no indication of being evil. It was poorly handled.
VERY poorly-handled. I have no clue how someone could watch this and think it was acceptable. Even M. Night Shyamalan would probably say, "Wow, that was a dumb twist."
My problem with Hans (which has been mentioned a lot) is that there are no subtle hints to his villainy. It's just pulled out of the air. I personally still like Elsa and Anna, but I agree that this movie would have been 10 x better if Hans was not evil and a first crush. It's ok for a story to NOT have a villain. Some stories work better without them. And honestly, the way I see Frozen, Elsa was the true villain and a much better twist villain because her big unique spin is that she is the villain without meaning to be. She is a genuinely good person who doesn't want to hurt anyone hence why she leaves, but winds up hurting people because she addresses her issues the wrong way. Leaving it like that was just fine. Plus, it would have even been more original for Anna and Hans to realize that what they had is a fling and not true love, and that's ok. That's a good lesson to kids within itself. Your first crush rarely is the one.
Feels like Hans was originally supposed to be a simple handsome prince who discovers he isn’t actually in love, but someone had a 3 AM idea of making Hans villainous and went with it without modifying the previous parts to make Hans’s twist work.
Literally the only kind of hint about him being at all sketchy is in "love is an open door" where he like, motions to Arendelle when singing "find my own place". And if the twist hadn't happened that would be completely innocent, like he found home in Arendelle since his own home doesn't feel like it.
I'm suspecting Hans originally meant to be Anna childhood friend and love interest in the first draft where Elsa is still an Evil villainous ice queen. There's a line evil Elsa said in the leaked video which mention Admiral Westergard love Anna. Hans full name in Frozen is Prince Hans Westergard of the Southern Isles. Not to mention Hans was named after the first part of the original writer name, Hans Christian Anderson. I have no evidence so, this is purely my baseless assumption for the plot in the original first draft. Anna is a cheerful princess with a loving parents. One day her parents go outside the kingdom for diplomatic mission or something and died while on a ship due to storm. Anna had to succeed her parents as the queen but it's not easy. Shes is still sad over her parent dead and not confident on herself. Small moment of love between Anna and Admiral Hans but then, Elsa curse Arendelle in eternal winter from her winter castle. To save Arendelle, Anna need to go on a journey to confront Elsa and she leave Admiral Hans Westergard in charge of Arendelle while she gone caused he's her childhood friend and Admiral of Arendelle, so it make sense. (It always weird how Anna leave Hans in charge of Arendelle, don't make any sense even if she's head over heel with him) Hans who worried sick of Anna and couldn't leave her alone go to Elsa Ice Castles with Arendelle soldiers. As for Kristoff ?? Probably a person Anna met on her journey to find the ice castle. A knowledgeable mountain man that guide Anna and gave her advice. In the original tale, Gerda the main characters met a lot of characters to find the Snow Queen Ice Palace. Though admittedly in the original tale, most of them are woman. Hans probably turn into a villain after they change Elsa from evil Snow Queen to a tragic protagonist in the very first Frozen movie. Isn't the name of important character in Frozen with the exception of Olaf and Elsa, was inspired by "Hans Christian Anderson", Hans, Kristoff, Anna and Sven".
The worst thing about this character is the nonsensical set up for the awful shock-twist and his flimsy motivations that fall apart under the slightest scrutiny (like many of the things in Frozen, it has a lot of logical inconsistencies and plot holes). The funniest part about Hans is that he's actually a better leader than Elsa or Anna-and he's legitimately more heroic than both, lol. Part of why he's my favorite character in that mediocre movie. The reason this twist angers a lot of people isn't even because of Hans: it's because the writers betrayed their audience. They set up the Duke as a red herring (sidenote: red herrings are challenging to pull off right) and cheated anyone who _dared_ to invest in their characters in the name of shock-value. The lesson here is to never *ever* cut corners in your writing, and *NEVER* betray your audience's trust. If something doesn't make logical sense, you cannot fool your fans into accepting it.
Unless one of those fans is my mom. I tried to tell her how the twist was forced, and you know what she told me? "It was NOT forced!" Umm...excuuuuuuse me?! I kid you not, the words in quotes were her exact words.
Or how they try to defend the poor execution of the twist by any means necessary. My mom's done that with phrases like "It was NOT forced" and "I thought that was clever." Yes, on paper it is, but in execution? Heck no.
I've always found it absurd that they decided to change the entire course of the movie because of a single song. Elsa's entire motivations are villainous. There is nothing heroic about anything she does that should make her the natural protagonist of a film. She freezes her kingdom, runs away, and when her sister shows up to say, "Hey, everyone's probably gonna die," she won't even *try* to fix it. She just says, "No, I'm staying here." That's *not* a hero. Even if she couldn't have reversed what she'd done, she could have at *least* decided, "I made this mess; I need to clean it up." That's what a hero does (see Hercules when he goes out to battle the Cyclops when the titans have been freed, even though he doesn't have his strength). It's the effort that would have mattered, not if Elsa succeeded. Instead she has to *literally* be dragged back and *still* won't even try to figure out how to reverse the freeze over Arendelle. It's just a bad movie all the way around, with no understanding of how to write either a hero or a villain.
Thank you! I don't even dislike Elsa as a character (she's second to Hans for me), but she's way more self-centered than Hans-which is... not a good look. Anna is also pretty bad in a different way: she's recklessly impulsive, and it really rubs me wrong how this is celebrated as "quirkiness." Plus, she cheated on Hans when she (randomly) started to like Kristoff. It doesn't get talked about often because the dumb twist overshadows it, but if Hans hadn't been vilified out of nowhere, then this would make Anna look worse than she already does. Kristoff is abrasive and comes across as a jerk in about half his screentime; oh, and he and Anna have no romantic chemistry, we're just expected to like them together because the writers tell us to. Olaf wastes script time that could've been better spent on more important things-y'know, like CHARACTER DEVELOPMENT. I don't think I laughed at a single "joke" in this movie, and I'll laugh at almost anything. And I won't even get started on the trolls, or this rant would get longer. I agree, this is just not a good movie and I'd never let any children of mine watch it. It has a lot of skewed principles.
You probably havent seen the movie🥰 Elsa is AFRAID of her powers thats why she abondens everyone, having ice powers doesnt make her evil?? Because of fear controlling her actions she cant go back And this HAS a purpose to demonstrate that she feels trapped and the movie shows opening up and letting go of fears leads to a happy end, just watch the movie😘
@@itsvitoagain I have a 10 year old daughter who, from the age of 4-6 watched this movie on a LOOP. Furthermore, *fear* is not an excuse for inaction when *you've doomed your kingdom to death by hypothermia.* Courage is not being unafraid. It's taking action *despite* being afraid. Elsa is a straight-up *COWARD* and not a character any little girl should be encouraged to emulate. She makes a big mess, then someone else (Anna) cleans it up, and at the end the audience is supposed to go, "So stunning. So brave."
@@AnimaVox_ I agree with literally every word you said. I could rant for a very long time about the not only the trolls, but about how Elsa and Anna's parents (particularly her mother) are *the worst parents* in all of Disney. Seriously, how do you watch your husband terrify your daughter for *YEARS* without once saying, "This isn't working. We're not doing this anymore. We'll figure something else out." I don't care if he's the king. You're the queen AND her mother. You're obligated to put a stop to it!
@@meredithcarroll6209 Completely agree. And Frozen II actually makes Iduna look like an even worse parent, in retrospect, because she knew about magic all along and did NOTHING to help her daughter. Frozen II also *confirms* that the winter would've stopped with Elsa's death since any trace of her powers disappears after she freezes in that iceberg-so if Hans had succeeded, he really would have become a hero. Seriously, wth, Jennifer Lee? She apparently wanted to off Elsa, but I think Iger or someone higher up than her said no and didn't allow it; I think there's concept art somewhere. Instead, Elsa's turned into an immortal goddess or something, because I guess that's relatable now. The female leads have little to no impulse control, yet somehow, they're supposed to serve as role models for kids. In a franchise that tried to use feminine empowerment to market itself, the main female characters are consistently selfish and incompetent while the male character they tried to vilify is a far better leader and is literally shown caring for the people of a kingdom that isn't even his more than they ever did. It's actually kind of hilarious how badly the writers had to screw up to achieve the opposite of what they were going for. That, or they just didn't care and their morals are backwards.
The problem with Prince Hans is that, by scraping the concept of Elsa being the villain in favor of Anna and Elsa being sisters, Frozen's story doesn't need a villain to begin with. Villains like Scar and Hades work because they are the reason the plots in their respective movies exist to begin with. Frozen's plot has almost nothing to do with some creepy guy who wants to take over the kingdom of Arendelle, despite the movie's attempts to convince you otherwise, (such as Anna being naive, Anna's act of true love, etc.). If Hans was written out of the movie and Elsa found out a way to unthaw Anna's Frozen heart herself, nothing would have changed. There are only two ways a villain other than Elsa can work. The first way is the villain has to have a compelling reason for wanting to hurt Anna, giving Elsa an actual incentive to learn to control her powers, which is so she can protect her sister. The other way is for the villain to attack Arendelle itself, giving Elsa another incentive to control her powers, which is so she can protect her kingdom. Other than that, there really isn't a need for Frozen to have a villain if Elsa isn't going to be the villain of the movie.
The more you think about this movie, the less sense the writing makes. My mom keeps saying I should look at this film through the eyes of young girls or some such bull. OK, by that same logic, you could go "Oh, you just need to look at Norm of the North through the eyes of kids, and the issues like the story problems and plot holes won't matter!" Also, some of those kids think fart jokes are funny, and some may want to be creators. Not to mention, the show that became the #1 show for kids some years ago was not a smartly-written show like most of SpongeBob or My Little Pony: Friendship is Magic, but a dumb, poorly-animated, immature show called Breadwinners! So how can we let kids be kids and what-not with stuff like that? Walt Disney was a good man and a hero to children everywhere! And he focused on making movies for kids AND adults. Not just for a bunch of little girls who have never set foot in a castle and have probably never met any real princesses in their life!
It would've been easy to keep Hans and still kept the whole "you can't marry someone you just met" moral. You just let the kiss fail. You could've kept 90% of Hans characterization and not turn him into a 1 dimensional character. I have ideas if anyone cares to know how I'd write it up.
@@ironphantom4912 to Start Hans kisses Ana and it just doesn't work. We go back to Hans living with his brothers and their active bullying makes him believe he's not just up to becoming the next prince of his home kingdom he's not worthy of the better things. Whether it's the choicest piece of food to even a beautiful princess to marry. Hans journey to Arendelle is filled with stories of the Queen to be and he falls in love with the idea of a solitary introvert of the Danish princess but he talks himself out of Elsa ever wanting him. He finds Ana and decides to settle for her but seeing Elsa for the first time can be taken in a new context where he's looking at Elsa like the Ice Queen she is. His failed Kiss can continue to prove how you can't get in bed with the first man you marry and gives Hans more reason to defend Elsa when he doesn't have to. After that I can see the duke of Weaselton and his goons taking the place of Hans after that scene and finally getting punched off the boat by Ana at the end. Admittedly, my Edit turns Hans into a materialistic sad boy but it gives him emotional drama to crash into what I assume the moral of the story is supposed to be saying. Love isn't so simple. And the heel turn doesn't do it well enough.
While I understand what they're TRYING to go for (if that's what they were going for), that still comes off like they're telling young girls to stay away from ALL nice guys. That can also backfire by causing young girls to turn away from nice guys who do what they do for no other reason than just the fact that they ARE nice guys. You can't go through life thinking everyone you meet who's being nice to you is only using you for sinister purposes. That's a very sad way to live.
@@whitewolf1310 Uh sure, but so is trusting every nice-seeming person you meet. Like Anna did. You should still be wary of nice men and women until you actually know them.
@@e.t.2437 I never said to trust every nice-seeming person you meet. I simply said that doing the opposite can backfire just as much as what happened to Anna. And whatever the movie was trying to go for, it still doesn't excuse bad writing. The twist regarding Hans still comes off feeling very lazy and written at the last minute.
I think Kristoff ruins that message. Because then instead of "Even if a stranger seems nice that doesn't mean they have the best intentions" it becomes "Girls are so shallow and dumb for always chosing the nice handsome princes, they should just go for rude smelly guys instead"
This movie didn't need any villain. At all. Hans could gave kissed Anna, it wouldn't have worked, and it could still push him to try to kill Elsa all the same in an attempt to save Anna and end the storm (by killing the witch casting the spell, in his eyes). He could be ashamed of that attempt and leave after that.
Honestly, the movie would have been better if Elsa was the villain as originally intended. In the original Snow Queen, there's a major plot point where Kai is infected by a demonic mirror shard and becomes cold and fiendish. They could have used that.
No. The movie is fine without Elsa being a villain. Just having her insecurities being the conflict is suitable enough for the plot. Enough already with the “Elsa should’ve been the villain bulls***”.
@@hunterolaughlin I think either option could've worked with more competent writers, but I like your suggestion better. I've thought about that before too; there really was no need for a villain in the sort of story it was trying (and failed) to tell.
This reminded me of a theory that was floating around after Frozen came out, about how the trolls might have cast a spell to make Hans evil in order to fulfil their own objectives (getting Ana and Kristoff together). That would have made more sense than whatever the hell is going on here.
The reason Hans suck as a villain is because he have the most weakness reasoning to even become in the first place. His only purpose for being one is that he wants to married into power of another kingdom just so he can rule over it because he have zero chance of ruling his own kingdom back home.
Also, having all the privileges of the prince without any responsibilities of the king sounds nice. Hans has never been shown to be power-hungry until the twist where he did a 180 on his personality.
If you mean he did not have a very strong prominence in his motivation, then yes. Being power hungry is probably the most logical line to draw for a guy who is basically at the bottom rung of getting his family's throne. Man really did not have enough hints to really have a meaningful twist.
Hans could have worked, but his twist just HAD to have not been foreshadowed properly. If he was trying to get on everyone’s good sides why didn’t the movie show us any scenes of him being evil before the big reveal?
The number one thing I hate about Hans is always having to explain why I like him. My reasons are extremely complicated and personal and I'm tired of being judged for it regardless. Disney did me dirty.
I think I know where you're going with that...because same. Is he still wasted as a villain? Oh yeah. I guess I'm attached what he COULD have been as a character.
I feel you. He's easily the most interesting prince character since the Beast. It irks me that we almost had a really good nuanced character and the writers chose to piss all over that instead of developing it in an interesting way. He's a character that really resonates with me too, since I understand the sort of logic that can result in all his actions, writing issues aside. The irony is that he's still more heroic than Elsa and Anna. He did their one job for them and was better at it. It's bizarre how a movie that supposedly promotes 'female empowerment' makes its main female characters look utterly selfish and incompetent, while the male "villain" actually seems to care more about their people and a kingdom that isn't even his.
Honestly I see a lot of people show Hans as Arrogant and self-absorbed and I think it's because of his last minutes of fame where he acts like a classic Disney Villain and saying stuff like " "I've already won" or something like that
Here's what I believe they should have done. If they wanted Anna with Kristoff so badly, they should have done this: Hans meets Elsa at the coronation instead of Anna. Having Elsa be reserved and overall antagonistic but her friendship with Hans can teach her that she doesn't have to be so crude. Anna should have been somewhat bitter as well as angry that her own sister and parents are closing her out from their perspective. Maybe in a twist of fate Anna could have run away instead after being secluded for so long and Elsa and Hans have to find her and she met Kristoff in the same time frame. When they encounter one another, Elsa could still be pressured enough and lose control, freezing her heart. Or they could have kept the plot the same and have Elsa run away. If Anna and Hans are romanced, have him go with her to the North Mountain, while Weaselton who could have been the major villain takes over the throne. After the encounter with Anna and Elsa this time around, Kristoff meets Elsa and they become a thing. Honestly, Elsa and Kristoff both have things for ice yet either path could work. Overall, Anna and Elsa's sisterhood should be the main concentration, but Hans and Kristoff both could have worked with a few tweaks and changes in dialogue. Imagine a scene where either men runs for either sisters, and Weaselton stands over Elsa with a dagger about to kill her, only for Anna to do the same action she did in the film. Just give both sisters love interests. A simple solution.
The twits scene was just _so_ dumb. Like, he could have kept the act up. Tried the kiss, tried a few times as he acted more frantic, "it's not working, why isn't it working!? Did the trolls lie?" Instead he looses 99% of his braincells and tells Ana his whole plan and tells everyone else that Ana died while she's still alive. Like you mentioned, he can't be King. And he can't be any kind of ruler of Arendelle if Ana is dead and there's no heir. Especially not when the "marriage" was like, some secret unofficial vows with no witnesses. If he'd kept manipulating Ana, he could have easily gotten _her_ to like, officially proclaim that if she doesn't survive, she wants Hans to take over, giving him some small form of legitimacy to build on. Especially if he could kill Elsa too to "try to cure" or even actually cure Ana. Cause let's face it, Ana isn't ready to be a ruler, she would depend on him so much he could easily rule from the shadows. And then if he really disliked her he could off her once they had an heir he could be regent to.
Honestly I just want a Hans redemption arc in the 3rd movie. The sloppy way they handled his plot twist was so badly done. They literally make you fall in love with his character just to pull the rug from under you. It isn’t even in a teaching moment sort of way. There is no warning. It actually would give people trust issues because he just became evil all the sudden? Does that mean real people can become evil in a second? That’s messed up.
It was supposed to teach people not to trust strangers right away because they might turn out to be evil people with ulterior motives, however due to how horribly built up Hans was the message just came out poorly.
@@urmom6701right right. Don’t trust someone you just met. Unless it’s this man with a reindeer. Then trust him. Nono he won’t kill you up on that mountain where he has you all alone. Nope. Your good. But definitely don’t trust this prince who understands your loneliness and understands what you have to deal with as royalty. Nope. He’s bad. But in all honesty I get it. But like you said. Terrible execution. -1 star.
Here's what I believe they should have done. If they wanted Anna with Kristoff so badly, they should have done this: Hans meets Elsa at the coronation instead of Anna. Having Elsa be reserved and overall antagonistic but her friendship with Hans can teach her that she doesn't have to be so crude. Anna should have been somewhat bitter as well as angry that her own sister and parents are closing her out from their perspective. Maybe in a twist of fate Anna could have run away instead after being secluded for so long and Elsa and Hans have to find her and she met Kristoff in the same time frame. When they encounter one another, Elsa could still be pressured enough and lose control, freezing her heart. Or they could have kept the plot the same and have Elsa run away. If Anna and Hans are romanced, have him go with her to the North Mountain, while Weaselton who could have been the major villain takes over the throne. After the encounter with Anna and Elsa this time around, Kristoff meets Elsa and they become a thing. Honestly, Elsa and Kristoff both have things for ice yet either path could work. Overall, Anna and Elsa's sisterhood should be the main concentration, but Hans and Kristoff both could have worked with a few tweaks and changes in dialogue. Imagine a scene where either men runs for either sisters, and Weaselton stands over Elsa with a dagger about to kill her, only for Anna to do the same action she did in the film. Just give both sisters love interests. A simple solution.
@urmom6701 Yeah, I mentioned to my mom the other day how the twist was badly-done, and she said she thought the idea was clever. True as that may be, it really needed to be executed better, as you said. Just having a clever idea isn't enough.
Maybe it could have been like this: Elsa is the real main big bad who gets redeemed while Hans is like her goon/underling he seduces Anna but ends up falling in love with her for real Kristoff could be a fun wingman and in the final battle with Elsa he finally confronts his true feelings betraying her that's the plot twist maybe it's too predictable but could be cool he can be a fake villain (idk what the trope is called) like Cedric from Sofia the First and have a sad song like My Evil Dreams
Imagine how cool it would have been if Hans and Anna were just two people who got along well and interpreteted their feelings for each other for true love instead of being just "I like this person they are so nice to me". I mean, he could have kissed her and it didnt work. First they are both confused but after some talking they realized: "Maybe we really were a bit too soon". They both had a reason to marry other than for love. Anna wanted to spare herself of the lonely life she would face after Elsa closes the doors again and she IS a romantic person. She wants to be loved and be in love and thar is nothing bad at all. And Hans wanted to get away from his abusive family and find someone who values him for who he is (all canon in "A Frozen Heart"). Then they would have worked together to save Elsa (perhaps they also realized they had feelings for someone else. Helsa anyone?). Maybe Elsa wanted to kill herself or anything or one of the guards or the Duke (though i admit that would rather look silly). And in the end we all learned that "Hey even if we do not fit well romanticly we can still be good friends". Was it really that hard ?
Or Hans could have just met Elsa at the coronation instead of Anna. They don't have to have an instant romance but a friendship. Having Elsa be reserved and overall antagonistic but her friendship with Hans can teach her that she doesn't have to be so crude. Anna should have been somewhat bitter as well as angry that her own sister and parents are closing her out from their perspective. Maybe Anna could have run away instead after being secluded for so long and Elsa and Hans have to find her and she met Kristoff in the same time frame. When they encounter one another, Elsa could still be pressured enough and lose control, freezing her heart. Or they could have kept the plot the same and have Elsa run away with Hana looking for her under separate terms from Anna while Weaselton takes over the throne. Overall, Anna and Elsa's sisterhood should be the main concentration, but Hans and Kristoff both could have worked with a few tweaks and changes in dialogue. Imagine a scene where Hans runs for Elsa and Kristoff for Anna, and Weaselton stands over Elsa with a dagger about to kill her, only for Anna to do the same action she did in the film. Just give both sisters love interests. A simple solution.
A few weeks ago, I was thinking of a rewrite scenario that would turn Hans from the worst part of the movie to the best part of the movie. Please note that I did not know about the book of frozen hearts or whatever that was. Here are some main points: -Hans and Anna actually kiss but it doesn't work. At first they're both shocked but then Hans is hit with a sudden "oh shit" realization. -Since the cat is (relatively) out of the bag, he comes clear to Anna that maybe the kiss didn't work because he had the ulterior motive of gaining the throne by marrying Anna. -He knew Elsa wasn't the type of girl to get married to anyone anytime soon, and a kingdom needed both a queen and a king so the throne would eventually be transferred to Anna if she married someone. -Hans decides to break up with Anna because a girl as honest as her deserves someone who loves her for who she is, without any ulterior motives. -Anna tells Hans about Kristoff and Hans goes to look for him, but sees Elsa on the way. -When he sees Elsa, he projects all the hatred and contempt he held for his older brothers onto her. "How dare you do something so horrible to your own sister?" , "Why do older siblings always think its okay for them to treat their younger siblings like trash?" And whatnot. Now his attempt at killing Elsa isn't a stupid bid for the throne, but rather just a victim of abuse and neglect lashing out at a well meaning sister just because he sees her as a neglectful abuser of someone else. -Anna tries to stop Hans because no matter what Elsa would do, she didn't mean it and she is still her sister, prompting Hans to remember the oldest of his brothers, the one who always had his back and stood up for him, the one who said Hans didn't deserve any of this because he was still their brother. This moment gives Hans some clarity and the curse will still be lifted by Anna and Elsa's sisterly love.
honestly I think that could work but instead of it just being him lashing out projecting....if maybe what he's upset by is how elsa has handled it? like maybe part of her still want to run away or maybe she still doesnt want to see anna despite him telling her about the affect since elsa didnt know she hit anna like that. if maybe he tried to convince elsa to go to anna and try to do something or at least to go see her. maybe telling elsa about how his love wasnt enough to save anna and maybe elsa getting pissed and trying to blame him. him getting upset at elsa for still trying to run away instead of facing anna would actually help confront the flaw elsa has been running away from this whole movie
I love how the second movie comes out a cements the idea Hans would've been king if he did nothing. He actually wouldn't because he's not descended from the royal family of Arendele, you know what I mean. All he had to do was sit back and help Anna. Someone even said that Elsa, on her song, was giving the crown to Anna because she didn't want to be queen. In every single way you look at it, he would've gotten what he wanted (kind of) if he didn't do the evil stuff.
Thank god i wasnt the only one as a kid who realized that hans didn't give any villain vibes which is why i hated the ending because i loved his character so much and he just had no motivations
Hans is one of my favourite Disney princes for 85% of the movie and then turns into the worst Disney villain ever "written" for the last 15 minutes. Still bitter about it to this day. If they wanted to show how family love is important rather than only romantic love, they should have had him kiss Anna, have it not work because it's not "true love" since they barely know each other, and THEN have him try to kill Elsa in desperation because he can't think of anything else to do for Anna OR the kingdom, and Anna realizes this and has to stop him (and save herself) the same way she did in the movie. They could have parted ways as friends and she could still get with Kristoff. (Also, even if he married Anna last minute, he wouldn't have a claim to the throne before he got a child with her)
yeah i get you...the dude was actually reliable and trying to protect elsa at points through out the movie and wanted to practically talk about reversing the storm or something and not jump to just kill elsa. and seemed genuinely nice and cute around anna...how the hell you gonna give me that and just make him 'i was planning to marry you and MURDER you and your sister for the thrown ferom the begining' bullshit...when no one knows abything about the or their country and if he wanted to beawa from his family just marrying anna would have been enough.
Easy fix: Anna and Hans kiss, and nothing happens. Hans panics because this means she doesn't love him (because Kristoff?) and excuses himself, saying he's going to get something or someone to help. Lock the door, lie to council. Now Hans looks like he was just a shallow man who doesn't want to lose her or the power she gave him, instead of an incompetent planner for regicide.
Does anyone else find it kidn of amazing how this film dropped jusr a year after Wreck it Ralph (which has one of the best twist villains out there) and gave us one of the WORSR twist villains? Like, they did so well with WIR, but they just dropped the flippin ball here!
For all the wasted potential of Hans, Frozen still is the clear 2013 winner of animated films. Aside from The Croods and Epic, the competition of 2013 is pretty weak. Turbo? Cloudy With A Chance Of Meatballs 2? Free Birds?
@Thomasmemoryscentral lol I remember you from the billboard breakdown comments sections also yeah 2013 was a horrible year for animated movies and frozen is the best of them (though it has many problems)
@@Thomasmemoryscentral On top of its poorly-aged textures, Frozen's lack of coherent writing and significant character development does it no favors. The Croods is a far better movie and both it and Epic's animation have aged better than Frozen's. I'd say it was robbed, but the Oscars hold no credibility to me anyway, particularly regarding animation-especially after they chose Toy Story 4 over Klaus.
See, the mirror thing actually would have been an interesting way to work that in, if Hans had any had any sort of theme or connection to mirrors. But so far as I can recall, he doesn't - I mean, it's been a long time since I watched the movie, but still, I can't recall him ever even LOOKING in a mirror, let alone having it be part of his theme. I suppose it might have been a clever twist if the Hans we originally meet actually WAS the nice, goofy guy he appeared to be, but then he got evil-mirrored somehow, and either got his personality changed by it (as in the original story), or we learn that his evil reflection stepped out of the mirror at some point, shoved original-flavor him in a cupboard or something somewhere, and had been masquerading as him ever since - but we didn't get that, so it's moot. And really, the whole 'twist villain' thing only works, only ever HAS worked, when it makes sense in retrospect. That isn't the case with most Disney twisty-villains, but it REALLY isn't with Hans. If he'd had a certain bad-boy swagger to him for most of the film, that had been played up as a sort of endearing flaw, like 'oh, hey, he's like Gaston but good; awesome!', and then all of a sudden we learn that, no; he had a bad-boy swagger because he was a genuine jerk who'd seduced poor innocent Elsa. Or if my evil-reflection thing had been put into play, there could have been subtle hints to that throughout the film, like he started out a lefty and then throughout the rest of the film was right-handed. If you could rewatch the film and see him in a different light, like 'no! No! He's evil! Look at that obvious hint!', that would make it work - but there are no such hints; he just switches characters completely from one moment to the next. He's not a twist villain, he's a twist rewrite.
They could just have Hans kiss Anna and it not working because she doesn't love him actually. Road to El Dorado and Sinbad the Legend of seven seas make their love triangles more interesting, and understandable, and reach healthy resolution better than any other love triangle I've ever seen in any media.
This comment is kind of dumb. There were hardly any "love triangle" conflicts in those DreamWorks movies. This comment screams "DREAMWORKS IS BETTER THAN DISNEY" type of stuff that's tiring.
@@purpleclaws202 There was a sort of love triangle in Sinbad, but there was no real romance between Proteus and Marina-they were just in an arranged betrothal. He lets her go in the end with no hard feelings. But yeah, Idk what OP is talking about with El Dorado, there was never any love triangle there.
@@AnimaVox_ maybe he meant that, though chel frankly fell in love with tulio, Miguel also was interested in her at first. Barely any of the conflict in the movie was related to that though.
@@benwood5659 Did people forget that Miguel walked in on them kissing after Tulio told him that both of them shouldn't get romantically involved with her? Maybe ''love triangle'' isn't the best way to describe it but a good portion of the plot and drama revolves around 3 characters, their relationship and romance.
I like Hans up until the point where he is shown to be a villain. During the parts before, it is seen that he really does have an interest in Anna, as well as an interest in helping people when Elsa runs away. But then, all of the sudden, he's evil and wants to kill Elsa and Anna in order to take the throne of Arendelle? The only thing building up to this twist is the mention of his brothers, and I've basically forgotten that he talked about it until watching this video when I remembered that it was a thing. It's not Chekhov's gun, as I don't think that aspect was ever mentioned again throughout the movie.
Hans is an atrocious villain. Also technically they already had a villain earlier in the film with the Alan Tudyk character. The twist just felt super last minute and he didn’t have that much time to be evil.
They could’ve had the Duke of Weselton be the mastermind behind the plan that Hans is following, so when Hans actually grows to like Anna he is conflicted about betraying her (Heck, the first puss in boots movie did this with kitty softpaws) He can still get his judgement at the end, showing a good point that sympathetic villains still have to own up to their actions. All you need are some subtle glares or prompting from the Duke during the ball, have the Duke introduce him to the sisters, and an argument between the two before the sick Anna scene, then have the kiss not actually work. (Cause they just met, have only platonic feelings, insert any other explanation here) he remorsefully reveals the plan to Anna as an explanation for why the kiss didn’t work. Heck, this could create an interesting reflection of conceal don’t feel where the Duke enforces a belief on Hans of “to get what you want you must set your feelings aside.” Have the Duke try to end Elsa, and Hans realize setting aside feelings doesn’t mean having to forego morals. Anna pleads for him to try and save Elsa, he tries to stop the Duke, but gets trapped by the guard because according to the Duke “Prince Hans was ensorceled by the witch queen!” And bada-bing the rest of that scene goes normally just with Duke in Hans’s place.
Again, why didn't they go that more sensible, logical route? Why the bad writing? Who do they think they are? The people who made Re-Animated or The Legend of the Titanic?
Yeah, the twist was actually one of the 3 or 4 plot holes I noticed upon the first viewing. How my mom could say something like "the twist was NOT forced" is beyond me.
That's why i actually like him: before i just thought he's boring, because as a villain he is, but after rewatching the scenes with him while keeping in mind that the twist was a last-moment addition, i noticed that he's actually a charming, human character who became a victim of bad writing. He seems to be as naive as Anna when it comes to love, and it could've worked perfectly if the kiss did not work because their love is too young yet to be the True Love, and they just feel like it's True Love because they're both lonely inexperienced people. Then Anna could save Elsa as before (from evil mustache man, just redesign him to be big and menacing) and we would have a bittersweet ending with good message about love for kids and teenagers. Anna and Hans would agree that they should spend more time together before marrying, and we would be able to theorize if their love will grow to be a True Love or not. The End.
I think Hans was an interesting concept executed poorly. While I personally enjoy Frozen, I acknowledge that it's flawed, and IMO one of its biggest flaws is that the use of Hans just feels contrived. I think it would have helped if there had actually been a little bit of foreshadowing regarding his intentions. Because there was nothing. In my opinion, it's good foreshadowing when you watch something the first time and don't see a twist coming, but then when you go back and watch it again, you see some of the little hints dropped in a completely different light and everything just clicks. But that doesn't happen with Frozen. While some of his actions COULD be rationalized with a bit of stretching, there are too many things that just don't seem to click. Like Hans smiling at Anna while she's not looking or assuming that Elsa dying will bring back summer when he has no way of knowing that for sure.
They probably won't. Disney has clowned on him hard. Frozen Fever, Once Upon a Studio, Frozen II, hell even some random newspaper bullet board in Disneyland pokes fun at him. Disney hates this character with a misplaced fury that burns greater than the infernos of hell. I would be shocked, absolutely FLABBERGASTED if they even let this character appear in Frozen 3 more than just a 3 second joke. It sucks because I like the potential of him. He's easily fixable, especially if you give him a redemption arc. I've read so much fanfiction that does fleshing him out and explaining his motives than the movie.
I heard a theory that the trolls are the reason Hans turns evil. The trolls turn him evil to keep Anna from marrying him. All of this so that she will end up with kristoff. That is the only reasonable explanation to all his actions.
I still remember being in the theater in 2013 and this "twist" was revealed my audible and very loud "what?!?" jumping out of me. This was by far the dumbest plan all he had to do was play his role, I hated Frozen after that not because of the annoying yet catchy song. But this ONE MOMENT...still burns me 🤬🔥
Why can't we have fantastic, unforgettable villains in a Disney movie again. Scar is one of my favourite Disney villains with an unforgettable presence, with one of the best villan songs to boot. Disney has been so terrified to have villains in their movies in recent years. Please make antagonists like Scar, Jafar and Frollo again. Not every single Disney movie needs a villain, but if they do, make them a good villain
WARNING, its a lot. The more I think of Frozen, the more I realize how terrible the plot is. It hinges on nonsense, and I never found Elsa to be anything good at all. To see her praised everywhere has never made sense to me. The video already explained all of Hans' flaws, so I will just write my solution to this problem. (I am disregarding whatever book had that backstory since nothing correlates with the movie anyway) Hans is the 12th prince of the Kingdom of whatever. Being the youngest, he is very like Anna; naïve, a bit immature, his head in the clouds. He does not think being King is that hard of a job and doesn't understand why his oldest brothers treat the station with such seriousness. His worldview of romance is like in the novels. Having just come of age, the King of whatever decides to send Hans on his first official prince duty: attend the coronation at Arendelle, a diplomatic affair Hans should be able to handle. Hans goes and is delighted by the kingdom, he meets Anna. They are kindred spirits, they understand each other almost instantly. Both believe that this connection they feel is true love. The movie continues the same plot until Anna leaves to search for Elsa. She asks Hans to watch over Arendelle until she comes back with Elsa. Hans (who is visibly nervous) accepts with a promise to do his best. This was not anything he expected to ever have to do: Be a ruler himself. The entire time Anna is gone he tries to help the people, but it is only getting colder, and the people are losing hope. Hans begins to understand what it means to have a kingdom depend on you and how difficult and daunting being a ruler is. He joins the expedition up the mountain to look for the sisters, worried for them both, and things play out like normal. Once Elsa is brought back, he questions her about Anna and stopping the cold. Elsa doesn't know where Anna went and tries to get ahold of the storm but is unsuccessful. Hans returns back to the main part of the castle in time to receive the freezing Anna. They kiss, but as it was only infatuation the two feel, it doesn't work. Devastated, Hans tries a few more times, but still nothing. It's a heartbreaking moment and Hans breaks down under the weight of helplessness, telling Anna that he tried his hardest but it was not enough. Both realize Elsa was right and they jumped the gun completely. One of the guards comes in and tells them Elsa escaped. Anna realizes that true love doesn't mean it has to be romantic and asks Hans to carry her out into the storm to find her. Hans does not believe he can do it or that they can find Elsa. Anna reminds him of all the good he accomplished on his own and that they have a chance to stop the blizzard from destroying Arendelle. Hans thanks her for believing in him and helps her out across the ice. The blizzard is now at it's worst, even Elsa cannot see through it. Elsa gives up running in despair and falls to the ice. Hans is hurt while helping Anna, and he tells her to continue on to her sister. Breaking through to the heart of the storm, Anna's last act before she freezes solid is to throw her arms around Elsa. The reunion scene plays out like the original, Elsa unfreezes the kingdom, Kristoff helps Hans back to the castle. In the aftermath, Hans and Anna break off the engagement, both agreeing they weren't meant to be in a relationship like that but want to remain friends. Hans, having been humbled and realizing just how much growing he has left to do, returns to his home with newfound respect for his father and brothers, intending to be a better prince and brother. I came up with all of that in less than 10 minutes. Instead of a terrible twist from out of left field, it fixes the character and has the message for both boys and girls of the dangers of jumping into relationships on a whim or based entirely on infatuation. Which is far better than what we got. If you read this far I'm proud of you.
Hans is weirdly written because, I WOULD have made sense with a really simple thing: making Hans caring about Anna but with the situation, he changes his point of view at the end for a more selfish decision. IT WOULD BE EASY TO WRITE IT and it would change NOTHING to the plot or the story! I'm so angry at Hans because his twist makes SENSE but how they did it doesn't make sense! Let me explain: At the beginning, Hans arrived at Arrendelle, sent by his not loving family. Finding Anna made the idea grow: he can have a place in the royalty with Anna. He doesn't want to be the spare anymore. Anna is cute and she can be a fine arranged wife -because it's royalty: love is rare in wedding. So, let's prove to everyone he is a good leader. He is helping his future chosen family during the movie. However things changed and became... Complicated. This new family made be a dead end. => exactly like in the movie The change would be when Anna came back: When he saw the situation: Elsa can't fix the blizzard, the kingdom is doomed. PLUS Anna is cursed! She was okay for him but he never really loved her... He can't save her. And AT THAT POINT, he switches! If they died, he will be king as he is wanted. Anna is dying and well... The others rulers will not step forward directly to kill the Queen (because you know, political issues). But if he did it, he thought it would fix everything and he would say that Elsa wanted to end the blizzard and sadden by her sister deaf, she was willing to kill herself/being killed. Elsa & Anna would be martyrs and Hans, a Hero. Happy Hans ending! I think that if they changed his sentences/acting during the fireplace scene, it would fix a lot of things. Disney went to full ugly villain/heartless when they should have gone to the "I'm willing to sacrifice you and your sister to have what I want even if I wasn't willing to in the first place". => deeper character arc, small modifications (less than 10 sentences during this scene), better way to show his twist.
Frozen has traces of a good story but never hit the mark. Hans actions conflict with his motives. The movie lacks a lot of foreshadowing leaving characters like Hans as an afterthought. You would think he would rather gas light Anna and marry her as fast as possible so when she dies he would have a claim to the throne.
Frozen came out one year . . . before the dark times, before the Disney buy out of Star Wars . . . before the woke Disney Empire. Frozen got me chilled figuring out that Hans's 180 turn was the first red flag for Disney going woke.
It's like the writers had to scramble to come up with a villain for this movie at the last minute since they decided not to go with their original plan which was having Elsa be the villain so this is what we got. lol
Ok but..if he killed them I'm sure the townspeople and royal guard would find out. Why didnt this dumbass just marry Anna, she's pretty and was already in love with him. There was no reason for him to hate her he could've just married her and eventually became king with no problems lmaoooo
For real though I would have been fine if they made Hans into a reluctant villain rather than a pure villain. Like you can keep his motivations intact but the twist would have been that it was all a lie just as a way to ease the pain of him (her lover) having the smooth-brained scheme of being the one to kill her sister, in which he actually believed can be the only way to stop the winter and bring back summer. You can say his villainous acts are stemmed from watching his brothers throughout the years of them torturing him.
Even if he is a poorly written character, I can't even hate Hans. But that's just because he was missed potential. And I guess that's a reason I can't enjoy Frozen as a whole. It's just missed/wasted potential. This is my opinion only, but I think the movie could have been much better with Elsa in a antagonistic role. And I'm pretty sure everyone heard this again and again: But Hans and Anna being in this interesting dynamic of what they think is love, but actually was just a craven of companionship that was finally fulfilled (a platonic bond) once they met each other. And if you wanted to throw in the backstory of Hans' abusive family it could have made the dynamic more understandable and impactful, because being shunned by family would be a commonality Hans and Anna would share and bond over. And having "True Loves Kiss" not work because the feelings weren't precisely romantic. And heck if you went with this plotline you could have two interesting outcomes: 1. Where Hans and Anna decided to keep their relationship platonic Or 2. Maybe Hans & Anna actually wanting to explore something romantic, but it would take more time of getting to know each other until certain feelings can blossom. (Also last to add, why does the theory of the trolls being behind and manipulating everything make more sense and even sounds like a better twist for this movie?!)
yeah.....Han's being evil felt odd to me at the time..he clearly felt something for anna at the begining that the horse noticed even before he found out she was the princess...and he did stop the guard from shooting her and it was the duke plannng to strait up kill her. han's seemed to actually want to talk. how is he suppoused to aim for a chandeller and know it wouldnt instantly kill her and just knock her out? and why just strait up say his evil plan like that when if he kept silent he could have probably still convinced anna to marry him..as a act of true love is rather vague. why couldnt they just have them try the kiss and it just...not work? have him genuinely care about her and really upset or confused about it not working. that could then give a opening for anna and hans to reflect because ANNA clung to him because she didnt want to be alone and he was a chance to not be cut off since her sister wanted to close the doors. and hve it so he liked her but that he was motivated for a chance to leave his home away from his family. maybe have him not want to be strait up king but just wanted thechance to leave his home since marrying anna really would have been enough. the idea he was planning on killing them from the begining was stupid and makes no sense. making it so he does care about anna but that there was underlying reasons both got attached so quickly would validate both anna and elsa's stances as elsa was right that it was way too fast while anna while also validating that part of elsa's motives for shutting down the idea entirely was also very strict and about isolation as she didnt give maybe a compromise to at least have them court for a while or something. both maybe realizing the love wasnt exactly pure on either end. andhonestly..they could have used christoff more as well. Anna literally had her mind wiped as a child and was stuff feeling lonely and isolated not knowing why she was shut out and elsa was alone dealing with her powers. Anna was protected but also her parents and elsa hid this from anna when anna could have been more supportive or there for elsa. Anna has been working without context but having context would change alot of how she would feel wouldnt it as its not just elsa finding her a bother. It would also make sense for Christoff to have a part in that hypothetical conversation as he was there and witnessed anna getting her mind wiped and healed and how scared elsa was and teh visoon shown by the trolls. since elsa hadnt actually talked to anna about what had happened in the past and why it had been hidden from her. christoff as a nuetral party could have helped be a wall for anna to bounce off of...as he could help explain how elsa had cared about anna and had been scared and that the parents had been told about it by the trolls. anna never really faced the fact her parents also jept her in the dark about it. CHristoff also had certain aspects that didn''t get explored that coudl had brought up interesting aspects of the two ladys as he was of a practicall mind like elsa about how you can fall fro and marry someone in a day(backing up elsa's view). but he also is a big fan of ice and also knows the freedom of being alone. elsa always saw her powers as a negative... how would she have reacted to christoff being clear in seeing the positive in her creations(that also parallel anna's enthusam for elsa's powers at the begining of the movie). or how would anna have dealt with christoff actually understanding why elsa might want space from people(using the reindeers are better than people aspect of the song he sang). after all elsa ran off for a reason with everyone being scared about her mixed with her view of how she was told to conceal everything. WE know elsa probably deep down wants to be with anna and not be afraid anymore about her powers...but elsa discovered the freedom of being alone where she didnt have to conceal her powers anymore..but she still wanted others to keep away for safty and to not care about their judgment. and elsa was still indenial about that part of her want. christoff could be used to explore some of that aspect as like elsa..he isnt that big of a fan of people. he could get anna someoneto bounce offof to actually see why elsa wanted to be alone now and with th backstory realize the source of why elsaused to shut her out as we know elsa hadnt WANTEDD to shut anna out at the beginning. heck you could even use how christoff doesnthave a family/parents at thebegining to bring a focus to the parents aspect that elsa and anna lost(which resulted in elsa having to be crowned). christoff could parallel the allure of just isolating yourself in the castleso to speak with ice and not caring about others since they are out of mind and that freedom that comes with it and the beauty in her icepowers..andthe understanding other people can suck. but also give a opportuinty to explore what anna bringings(which is acceptance and a positivity and willingness to reach out over and over and over despite being shut out for so long. how anna is so open and not ashamed of wanting a connection and that trying and trying to open communication is important). something we could see in why christoff could get some feelings for anna sincehe could admire some of that positivity and her wanting to keep reaching out. as entertaining as the big fight was in the movie...I kept thinking they forced hans to be that evil because they needed to have elsa attacked so anna could save her and do the act of true love to try to speed run elsahaving her realization momenent...because they couldnt think of a way for elsa to understand the core of elsa's issues. anna and elsa didnt even have a proper conversation about it! elsa basically shut her out eachtime and then realized love after anna saved her while turning into ice. heck, han's helping elsa when he is basically a stranger and someone she had wanted to shove out and even her own people are trying to hurt her...would actually give elsa another person to bounce off of and see why anna might want to be around other people and that elsa had wanted support this whole time. heck it could have given her something to thnk about with comparing family stuff as she MUST have some mixed feelings in regards to her family like han's does..and more since han's is a younger brother...he could strait up give elsa a perspective about how anna must have felt being shut out without the 'i'm gonna dismissive everything anna has to say because she doesnt understand because she had her mind erased' aspect that was hovering in her interactions with anna as the sister who didnt realize she was almost killed by these powers. not gonna lie...i hate the trolls... idon't know how i'd rework them into the into the situation..but first...not them force shipping christoff and anna and ignoring that anna was brought because she was dying!. heck maybe have they buy anna time or something.
He is terribly written, but worst? Nah. That would have to be Edgar from Aristocats. The whole conflict of that movie stemmed from him being too stupid to realize that he would obviously be the keeper of the inheritance since the cats can't use it. I'd also argue that Ratcliffe was one of the worst villains because of how unnecessary he was. Pocahontas didn't really need a villain. It was doing fine with fear of the unknown being the root of the conflict.
Dumb take, Edgar at least is meant to be a goofball not to be taken seriously. Hans is MEANT to be taken seriously, so he IS worse. Also, Bellwether from Zootopia is worse. Her racism is just a facede for her hatred towards the mayor treating her like a doormat, her plan is as convoluted as it's idiotic : why let the mayor capture the feral predators, when if let roam free, they would attack people thus driving her whole point home ? Why is everyone so conveniently stupid to check cameras ?
The twist was stupid. The way the logic behind saving Anna was inconsistent as hell has always bothered me since you can argue her friends simply caring for her counted. Platonic love is very real disney. The logic here is nonsense if it’s considered. Which it’s not for some reason?? No concrete rules.
I haven’t seen Frozen in years. However, My problems with Hans was it came out of nowhere with no kind of foreshadowing or moments with the character showing any villainy traits whatsoever. An example of a plot twist love interest done right was the Disney channel og animated movie based on the Kim Possible series in which the Character Eric was working with the film’s antagonist. It worked since it was hinted earlier on in the film briefly and it was more of a shock when it was revealed Eric was the plot twist villain.
Elsa as a villian would be very interesting to me. I mean, maybe we could see that her ice powers come to her head and she don't want to stop the winter etc. Idk, I'm not a writer, but the idea and the concept of Anna trying to save her sister although everything what was between them and Elsa having realized that the ice powers and freedom in the ice castle don't make her happy but being with her sister, in my opinion, would be way better.
Yeah, like she spent so long being told to control her powers, so when she finally gets a glimpse of pure freedom she never wants to go back, even at the risk of harming others
I was mildly interested in the Hans twist because it was one of the only peices of actual intrigue in the whole movie. I like twists that recontextualize characters, but it's true that you have to do some absolute mental gymnastics to justify this one. Some of the theories I've seen to explain it are genuinly interesting ideas that could have made a good movie on their own. In the end though, they are excuses to cover for Disney's writing, the responsability of which shouldn't have to fall on the fans.
I vividly remember watching this movie in theaters for my 7th birthday and being ACTUALLY as heartbroken and angry as a 7 year old could be about this guy lol
The weasel duke should've secretly had magic powers similar to elsa. And just like her he was forced to hide from and fear his powers. That's why he reacts so harshly to elsa, it's his self loathing being projected; similar to a mutant character in the animated spiderman/xmen crossover. He's basically a...dark mirror to elsa, showing how she could've ended up if she continued down her path and after a climax of him finally setting loose but also losing control elsa convinces him to use his power to heal anna, again going with the mirror theme. But no, instead we have to have the edgy catfisher villain
Honestly I don't think I would've minded Hans having no set up as a villain if he wasn't SO DAMN STUPID, OMFG WHY WOULDN'T YOU LET ELSA BE KILLED, WHY WOULDN'T YOU SIT IN THE ROOM TO MAKE SURE ANNA DIES??
Hans is honestly something that feels pretty stupid in execution as people are realizing how bad of a twist villain he is. He clearly should've remained as a good guy rather then being a bad guy, since the Duke of Westelton is obviously the bad guy from the start wanting the kingdom's resources and secrets uncovered. I presented my idea of how Hans could've been a better character from a video called We've Been Writing Twist Villains Wrong by Pistachios for Everyone. Let me know of what you think of my idea; "Hans clearly at first doesn't feel like a character to be a villain and sure it makes sense given how Anna is way too open minded that she forgets to keep her insecurity in checked. But the Duke of Weselton is clearly the bad guy as he just wants the resources of Arendelle and uncover it's secrets. I think making him not a villain or a Twist Villian rather is a much better course of action, given how it can build on the conflict with Anna's feelings for another man and understanding the curse on Anna as it didn't work in the scene where Hans is about to kiss her. After all, Hans has been more or less trying to do his best to handle things under Anna's command as sister to Queen Elsa. He tries to find Elsa so he can understand what to do about the curse on Anna as it shocks her, the Duke tries to kill her, but Anna stops him from getting the killing blow on Elsa and boom, Hans remains a supporting character. He understands Anna's love for another man and goes home continuing to find his place and remains on good terms with the sisters."
finally someone speaks my word, i am soo tired of the best things in frozen, oh hans the best villain like symbolism or break the trope of love in first sight, girl empowerment etc, i never felt soo pissed for over decades over a dumb movie like frozen
Especially because of all the better-made ones that came out before and after it, and don't get nearly as much attention as this film did. It hurts so much to think about that.
I’ve always wondered whenever I watched he film as a kid why Duke Weasselton wasn’t the one who went after Elsa when it was so clear he was gonna be the villain. He had power too since he was a Duke so he’d probably have men and weaponry. And how Hans was apparently the actual villain and the Duke just disappeared from the plot basically other than just hating on Elsa. It wasn’t just like in big hero six where the guy was so obviously the villain and yet kind of non threatening, Duke Weaselton genuinely made me feel like he was capable and totally would attack Elsa. He honestly kind of intimidated me as a kid. He didn’t make me feel like he wasn’t going to be the villain and was just clickbait. In big hero six, I kind of immediately knew the clickbait villain wasn’t going to be the actual villain of the movie.
Even Kingdom Hearts knows that this guy sucks, They skip his entire “arc” and jump straight to him trying kill to Anna’s sister right in front of everyone before She jumps in the way even then He don’t get a single line.
12:06, in Prince Hans were to try and fail to save Anna with true love’s kiss and then responded by blaming Queen Elsa and trying to kill Queen Elsa then he could have become the villain and the twist wouldn’t have required us to disregard everything we knew about the character
What makes his dumbass plot even worse is killing the only heirs to the throne wouldn't make Hans king. If the monarchy of Arendelle is anything like Britain’s, the spouses of the regnant, male or female, are in no way in line for the throne. If the entire royal house is dead, the crown is given to their closest relatives. An example is when Queen Anne died so it went to her nearest Protestant relative George of Hanover. Even if the Southern Isle’s royal family were the closest relatives, that crown would be given to the oldest child. I don't expect a Disney movie to have a great understanding of how Royal succession works, but at least put in a bit of research!
Yeah, I really do like when Disney turn prince Hans into a villain, I feel like they need to explore his backstory even more because every villain has a tragic backstory! Prince Hans is did appear in ABC Once Upon a Time As the antagonist for Elsa and Anna and Kristoff, and he appeared again in kingdom hearts 3 But in frozen 2 He’s never appeared again!
really there were small hints( in the song Love is an open door) but Hans didn't seem like a villain. it just seems Disney needed a last-minute twist for this film and decided on Hans being a villain. i never really got the whole point of him being a villain, it never seemed to fit into the story well.
When Kristoff was shocked that Ana wanted to marry a man she'd just met, that made think, okay, so, she's probably going to decide in the end that Hans isn't the one for her. I didn't expect that he would be a villain.
Top 10 (much cooler) Villains that can defeat Hans in a deathmatch: 10. Wario 9. Gaston 8. Monokuma 7. Maleficent 6. Smithy 5. Ursula 4. King K. Rool 3. The Grinch 2. King Boo 👑1. Bowser
Let's say if Disney still stuck with Hans as a villain. How would you go about fixing Hans so that he is an actual villain? Would be an interesting video.
I've seen people point to a couple different moments to hint at his villainy. One being that he intentionally shot the arrow at the ice chandelier to break it above Elsa, and one being that he was only keeping Elsa alive to see if she could stop the winter, realizing she was no longer useful after she told him she couldn't. Did he know how to break a chandelier above someone to only knock them out? 😭 A Rube Goldberg master. If only they hinted at his legendary archery skills earlier in the film.
Just today my parents and I talked about plot twists, and when they wondered what a ridiculous one would be, I said, "Easy. The Hans twist from Frozen!" You know what their responses were? My mom said she didn't think the twist was ridiculous, and my dad--one of the smartest people I know--also said he didn't think it was! Are--you--kidding me?! There's nothing about this twist that ISN'T ridiculous!!
I recall that the song "More Than Just a Spare" was removed because it made Anna sound too much like Hans, feeling left in the shadows. I'd have enjoyed it if they gave Hans more screentime to show what loneliness and neglect made him a twisted version of Anna (because looking at Frozen 2, there's NO WAY he could've remained a good guy and had feelinga for Anna).
Anna and Elsa are still sisters Elsa decides to purposely cause the infinite winter because she hates how people have treated her. Hans is the good guy, and he did have feelings for Anna, and he wanted to try and save her and arendelle. Kristoff is an old man who guides the way, and joins in the fam because he doesn't really have anyone. The end
I'm totally agree.Hans never shoud be a villan!He should Maried Anna and Kristoff should married Elsa,For me always the true villan of this story should be this Duke of Whistletown.He is the true villan! And From the begging of create sister bond by Elsa and Anna who I really apperciate and make Elsa a hero,showing that winter is not only cold,danger hell,which kill people but If this duke try to kill Elsa instead of Hans and Hans still try to save Anna and Elsa with Kristoff Sven And Olaf that will be a perfect movie. But in this case is 6/10.
I understand your reasonings but I personally still think Professor Callahan is worse. Whilst he was built up better than Hans, his actions made significantly less sense. Despite being this supposed smart guy, he is just an absolute idiot for not even considering going into the portal himself to find his daughter in case she’s alive. If he did consider that and decided against it because it’s too dangerous or something then he’s just a terrible father. Loving fathers would put risk their lives to save their children yet Callahan never does that so how am I meant to care for him Also, “that was his mistake” is a meme for a reason as it is so dumb. He was shown to care for Tadashi before so why has he stopped doing that all of a sudden
Honestly it would have been 10 times better if Hans did kiss Anna, and it didn't work anyways because it isn't true love (because they literally just met). It could still serve the purpose of rejecting the ideas of old Disney movies about love at first sight, while still making more sense. Plus, it would make Anna realize that maybe Elsa knew more about love than she gave her credit for, since she was the one who told her that you can't love someone you just met. And they could have had Weaselton trying to kill Elsa, and Anna sacrificing herself for her and all, so... it really baffles me that they didn't go for this way more logical option.
If they did Frozen would have probs been a 10/10 movie IMO
I think Hans could still try to kill Elsa but in a "Hold on, there's still time! I could still save you." And ye, out of desperation to save a girl he at least cares about by killing her sister cuz maybe Elsa's death would stop Anna's death and the winter
Or Weaselton just gaslights and pressures a desperate Hans to help him kill Elsa and while Hans would be against it initially, he ultimately goes along with it to save both Anna and the kingdom
@@henrythef1guy768 In all honesty? Yeah, it would've been close to perfect, or at aleast would've been good. Most of Frozen's writing problems stem from the atrociously written "twist," which didn't even need to happen, but was probably included because the filmmakers prefer shock-value to actual quality storytelling.
I think they just wanted to have that wham line so it could gain notoriety
I agree! I think I prefer Hans as Anna's love interest more than Kristoff. If anything, I kind of wish Kristoff was a gruff old man who could have acted as a father figure to Anna (since both of her actual parents focused more on Elsa), while Hans was her love interest. Instead of Hans being the villain, it could have ended that both of them realised that they barely know each other and what they felt wasn't "true love", so they agree to go on a date first (or keep in touch if Hans has to go back to his country).
They did Hans dirty. Elsa would have been a great villain and a sympathetic villain at that if they had gone down that road. Hell the Duke of Weaselton would have been a better villain making Hans the villain is the most stupidest thing. Throughout the movie we don't see any sign of him being the villain until Anna returns and he refuses to kiss her turning a 180 out of nowhere.
How about just having no villains in the film and just having Elsa’s fears over her power being the main threat/obstacle of the story?
Yes that would work just as well. Probably better than what they conjured up here. And God forbid she had to choose between two great guys so make one a villain problem solved. Which is probably what they did.
@@aaronanders9368 I don't know. See, the problem I have with Elsa is that the movie portrays her as a misunderstood angel, but she has unintentional sinister undertones leftover from the earlier drafts where she was a villain. These sinister undertones would work in her favor if she was a vengeful villain that developed a second personality because of her repressed feelings. Which would reinforce Anna as the hero of the story since it would be up to her to redeem her.
@@vetarlittorf1807 NO! Can’t we just leave Elsa alone and just have her insecurities be the metaphorical villain instead? You stated in one of your comments I read that Pocahontas doesn’t need a villain and that the Native’s and the European settlers’ bigotry and racism was all the film needed as its conflict. So the same can work with Frozen. There doesn’t need to be a villain.
@@hunterolaughlin Nah. Pocahontas didn't need a villain because the tensions were already high because the settlers and the natives feared each other. But Frozen needs to have some sort of antagonist to increase tension. Otherwise the story has less weight. And having Elsa the villain would have made her more engaging and sympathetic.
I'm conflicted about Hans. On one hand, I totally understand what they were trying to do with this character. He's trying to represent the dangers of trusting strangers. On paper it sounds good. But on execution, it's extremely sloppy. Most of Hans's choices don't make any sense with his goals of taking over. Not to mention, having him named Hans after the original Author sounds very insulting.
Good ideas are not worth much if you fuck up the execution.
I will never get over how they insult the original author by having him named Hans. Also they had Hans, who was nice to Anna and understanding be the bad guy, while Kristoff, who was rather insulting to Anna, be the good guy, who she ends up with. So people want to say the movie teaches young girls that love at first sight doesn't exist, but at the same time teach them to be with the guy who insults you. Okaaay... (And I do like Kristoff, but I don't like him and Anna as a couple.)
And speaking of insulting, I didn't like how they insulted all their older movies, that made the company what it is. And I watched those movies as a child. And in movies where there is magic, and fairies, and talking animals, I never thought love at first sight was real, nor did I ever expect it. Let fairy tales be fairy tales with love at first sight and leave the preaching that love at first sight doesn't exist to more realistic stories. Don't insult fairy tales by doing that crap.
@@rosenightingale5611 how did they "insult" the original author?
Like yes, Kristoff was kind of a jerk to Anna when they first met, but he changes throughout the movie once he gets to know her. You know, character development??
@@andieallison6792 By naming him Hans, you do know the author's name is Hans, right?
I did say I liked Kristoff, didn't I? I liked him and Anna as friends by the end of it. What I was getting at is they were trying to go realistic about love at first sight not being real. And realistically if someone is a jerk to you in real life they don't change to not being one. I was talking about the themes and messages in the story, not denying or talking about character development.
@@rosenightingale5611 Hans, Kristoff, and Anna were all named after the author.
First off, expecting a fantasy movie to subscribe to complete and total realism is ridiculous. Second, Kristoff wasn't that much of a jerk to Anna as you're thinking. Yeah he made a few snarky comments to a person who was just a total stranger to him and roped him into going to get Elsa, but that doesn't equate to him being a complete jerk all the time. Finally you can't complain about the "message" of a movie or its characters while disregarding the character development that they all go through.
Hans is a weaker version of Gaston
No one as great as Gaston!
yeah Gaston is a better villain than Hans.
@@racheljackson4428 Gaston is a top 5 Disney villain imo.
@@christianknight727 absolutely
@@F.R.E.D.D2986 He’s either 3 or 4 for me.
Elsa says that Anna can't marry a man she just met, but then Anna goes around and marries the second man she met.
But unlike with Hans, she actually gets to know Kristoff
@@star-boltlover9609 "Gets to know," lol. Yeah, in like, a total of three days? Remind me again, what sort of meaningful connection was there between Anna and Kristoff? Oh, that's right: none. Zero romantic chemistry.
The first time I watched the movie, they felt more like strangers to me than she and Hans ever did. I still didn't know why I was supposed to root for them to get together. The relationship is not well developed, most things in this film aren't.
@@AnimaVox_ Literally Kristoff could've just been a friend to Anna, like why in the hell does she need to get with a man anyway? Elsa didn't why should she? It doesn't fit with her free spirit type personality.
@@urmom6701 Anna could've ended up being friends with both Hans and Kristoff so the shippers would just fight each other to the death
@@Anonymous_Gambito do you realize how rabid that would end up? Almost another team Jacob team Edward bullshit. Honestly Disney missed something there. Would have made a lot of free marketing for Frozen just on that point alone 😂 I would have loved to see that. Team Hans all the way if they wouldn’t have butchered his character at the last second.
I like the theory that he was manipulated/spelled to become evil by the trolls or something. His backstory in the book doesn’t fix how random his character changes in the movie, but manipulation by magic _kind of_ makes sense in its context.
The writing was so bad that a fan theory freaking fixes it.
They even discuss getting rid of the fiance during Fixer upper .... Sooo ,yeah ... I always saw the trolls as the true villains
Gotta pay the troll toll.
I like the evil trolls theory. _Those_ sure could be interesting twist villains
@@tarniabook3076Indeed. I have no idea how my parents missed the obvious plot holes.
Modern Disney logic:
Prince Hans, a lonely prince who clearly was never intended to be evil but almost took over a single kingdom in the last 10 minutes: an irredeemable monster who deserves NO sympathy.
Namari, a person who literally caused the ENTIRE WORLD to be turned to stone except for a few, refused to help fix it, killed the savior dragon, blamed Raya for it, and never apologized for ANYTHING: a sad sympathetic soul who deserves COMPLETE sympathy and forgiveness at ALL COSTS.
The book Frozen Hearts makes the comparison worse because it goes as far to imply that Hans is depressed and even self harms.
Dude should never have been a villain imo- more like a misguided antagonist who is redeemed. Or better yet, just a genuine guy who liked Anna
@@hollyshock8400 that’s so depressing to realize what they could’ve done! Maybe I’ll give it a read sometime.
Here's what I believe they should have done. If they wanted Anna with Kristoff so badly, they should have done this: Hans meets Elsa at the coronation instead of Anna. Having Elsa be reserved and overall antagonistic but her friendship with Hans can teach her that she doesn't have to be so crude. Anna should have been somewhat bitter as well as angry that her own sister and parents are closing her out from their perspective. Maybe in a twist of fate Anna could have run away instead after being secluded for so long and Elsa and Hans have to find her and she met Kristoff in the same time frame. When they encounter one another, Elsa could still be pressured enough and lose control, freezing her heart. Or they could have kept the plot the same and have Elsa run away. If Anna and Hans are romanced, have him go with her to the North Mountain, while Weaselton who could have been the major villain takes over the throne. After the encounter with Anna and Elsa this time around, Kristoff meets Elsa and they become a thing. Honestly, Elsa and Kristoff both have things for ice yet either path could work. Overall, Anna and Elsa's sisterhood should be the main concentration, but Hans and Kristoff both could have worked with a few tweaks and changes in dialogue. Imagine a scene where either men runs for either sisters, and Weaselton stands over Elsa with a dagger about to kill her, only for Anna to do the same action she did in the film. Just give both sisters love interests. A simple solution.
@@RyanTheDark I really like that, and honestly, it probably would’ve made a much better story than what we got. And I think they knew it too, but they just really wanted to have it not be centered around love interests because “wHAT a tWIST!!!1!1” and also because of the bad lazy pop feminist critique of old Disney movies that they attempt to pander to.
And Hans’ being the twist villain gets even worse when you realize his plan was never going to work. Even if he succeeded, he still would never be king because that’s not how monarchies work. If he killed Elsa, Anna would become queen. If he married Queen Anna… he still wouldn’t become a king. He would just be the prince consort to Queen Anna. He can’t become the king of a different kingdom because that kingdom belongs to Anna’s family, not his. And as a prince, Hans should know this, he should know how royal succession works. But apparently he somehow doesn’t. The only way he would ever become king is if he became king of his home kingdom by murdering all his older siblings, thus making himself first in line for the throne. So really, why wasn’t that his plan to become king? The plot of the movie would have made more logical sense if Anna fell in love with Hans… and then later on learned that he’s actually evil cause he had murdered his own siblings to make himself first in line to his kingdom’s throne. Hans could’ve be like a dark reflection of what Anna could’ve become if she had let her heart become filled with resentment towards Elsa for abandoning her out of nowhere when they were kids, like how Hans had grown to hate his older siblings for treating him horribly. Maybe instead of having Hans be a generic villain who wants to be king because reasons, Hans could have been written to want to become king at all costs because his family never loved him, so, fuck em, he’ll kill them off, become king, and then he’ll finally receive love. He’ll become the caring, benevolent king of his kingdom and then he’ll be loved by his kingdom’s people. And when he met Anna, he could have genuinely cared about her and wanted to rush into marrying her because having her as his wife would mean he could have a real family that would truly love him.
Ok, that's brilliant.
Sorry, but this is too nuanced and creative for a Jennifer Lee and Chris Buck production.
Dang, I'm actually really digging this version of Hans.
Do we know how that works in Arendelle though? I think like most kingdoms in Disney it works on Disney logic...
Which is funny cause they actually get somethings right about the monarchy, like Anna very much so needing Elsa's permission to marry since she's her sovereign as well as heir.
I think that Weselton should have been the villain while Hans was a neutral character. For example, the kiss doesn’t work because Anna and Hans barely know each other, and Hans, out of desperation to save Anna, tries to kill Elsa, feeling guilty because his kiss didn’t work and angst because he didn’t want to take Anna’s beloved sister away. Hans showed no indication of being evil. It was poorly handled.
VERY poorly-handled. I have no clue how someone could watch this and think it was acceptable. Even M. Night Shyamalan would probably say, "Wow, that was a dumb twist."
My problem with Hans (which has been mentioned a lot) is that there are no subtle hints to his villainy. It's just pulled out of the air. I personally still like Elsa and Anna, but I agree that this movie would have been 10 x better if Hans was not evil and a first crush. It's ok for a story to NOT have a villain. Some stories work better without them. And honestly, the way I see Frozen, Elsa was the true villain and a much better twist villain because her big unique spin is that she is the villain without meaning to be. She is a genuinely good person who doesn't want to hurt anyone hence why she leaves, but winds up hurting people because she addresses her issues the wrong way. Leaving it like that was just fine. Plus, it would have even been more original for Anna and Hans to realize that what they had is a fling and not true love, and that's ok. That's a good lesson to kids within itself. Your first crush rarely is the one.
Feels like Hans was originally supposed to be a simple handsome prince who discovers he isn’t actually in love, but someone had a 3 AM idea of making Hans villainous and went with it without modifying the previous parts to make Hans’s twist work.
Literally the only kind of hint about him being at all sketchy is in "love is an open door" where he like, motions to Arendelle when singing "find my own place".
And if the twist hadn't happened that would be completely innocent, like he found home in Arendelle since his own home doesn't feel like it.
Elsa may have froze the village but Mulan still have killed way more people with ice and snow than her.
My bf tried to gaslight me into thinking Hans is the perfect twist villain. XD no
I'm suspecting Hans originally meant to be Anna childhood friend and love interest in the first draft where Elsa is still an Evil villainous ice queen. There's a line evil Elsa said in the leaked video which mention Admiral Westergard love Anna. Hans full name in Frozen is Prince Hans Westergard of the Southern Isles. Not to mention Hans was named after the first part of the original writer name, Hans Christian Anderson. I have no evidence so, this is purely my baseless assumption for the plot in the original first draft. Anna is a cheerful princess with a loving parents. One day her parents go outside the kingdom for diplomatic mission or something and died while on a ship due to storm. Anna had to succeed her parents as the queen but it's not easy. Shes is still sad over her parent dead and not confident on herself. Small moment of love between Anna and Admiral Hans but then, Elsa curse Arendelle in eternal winter from her winter castle. To save Arendelle, Anna need to go on a journey to confront Elsa and she leave Admiral Hans Westergard in charge of Arendelle while she gone caused he's her childhood friend and Admiral of Arendelle, so it make sense. (It always weird how Anna leave Hans in charge of Arendelle, don't make any sense even if she's head over heel with him) Hans who worried sick of Anna and couldn't leave her alone go to Elsa Ice Castles with Arendelle soldiers. As for Kristoff ?? Probably a person Anna met on her journey to find the ice castle. A knowledgeable mountain man that guide Anna and gave her advice. In the original tale, Gerda the main characters met a lot of characters to find the Snow Queen Ice Palace. Though admittedly in the original tale, most of them are woman. Hans probably turn into a villain after they change Elsa from evil Snow Queen to a tragic protagonist in the very first Frozen movie. Isn't the name of important character in Frozen with the exception of Olaf and Elsa, was inspired by "Hans Christian Anderson", Hans, Kristoff, Anna and Sven".
The worst thing about this character is the nonsensical set up for the awful shock-twist and his flimsy motivations that fall apart under the slightest scrutiny (like many of the things in Frozen, it has a lot of logical inconsistencies and plot holes). The funniest part about Hans is that he's actually a better leader than Elsa or Anna-and he's legitimately more heroic than both, lol. Part of why he's my favorite character in that mediocre movie.
The reason this twist angers a lot of people isn't even because of Hans: it's because the writers betrayed their audience. They set up the Duke as a red herring (sidenote: red herrings are challenging to pull off right) and cheated anyone who _dared_ to invest in their characters in the name of shock-value. The lesson here is to never *ever* cut corners in your writing, and *NEVER* betray your audience's trust. If something doesn't make logical sense, you cannot fool your fans into accepting it.
Unless one of those fans is my mom. I tried to tell her how the twist was forced, and you know what she told me?
"It was NOT forced!"
Umm...excuuuuuuse me?!
I kid you not, the words in quotes were her exact words.
@@artbytesia Maybe you should have her committed.
@@attackerangel2951 Uhh, what do you mean?
It always drives me crazy how people make mental gymnastics to justify Hans as a villain or use the terrible it's more realistic argument.
Or how they try to defend the poor execution of the twist by any means necessary. My mom's done that with phrases like "It was NOT forced" and "I thought that was clever." Yes, on paper it is, but in execution? Heck no.
I've always found it absurd that they decided to change the entire course of the movie because of a single song. Elsa's entire motivations are villainous. There is nothing heroic about anything she does that should make her the natural protagonist of a film. She freezes her kingdom, runs away, and when her sister shows up to say, "Hey, everyone's probably gonna die," she won't even *try* to fix it. She just says, "No, I'm staying here." That's *not* a hero. Even if she couldn't have reversed what she'd done, she could have at *least* decided, "I made this mess; I need to clean it up." That's what a hero does (see Hercules when he goes out to battle the Cyclops when the titans have been freed, even though he doesn't have his strength). It's the effort that would have mattered, not if Elsa succeeded. Instead she has to *literally* be dragged back and *still* won't even try to figure out how to reverse the freeze over Arendelle. It's just a bad movie all the way around, with no understanding of how to write either a hero or a villain.
Thank you! I don't even dislike Elsa as a character (she's second to Hans for me), but she's way more self-centered than Hans-which is... not a good look. Anna is also pretty bad in a different way: she's recklessly impulsive, and it really rubs me wrong how this is celebrated as "quirkiness." Plus, she cheated on Hans when she (randomly) started to like Kristoff. It doesn't get talked about often because the dumb twist overshadows it, but if Hans hadn't been vilified out of nowhere, then this would make Anna look worse than she already does. Kristoff is abrasive and comes across as a jerk in about half his screentime; oh, and he and Anna have no romantic chemistry, we're just expected to like them together because the writers tell us to. Olaf wastes script time that could've been better spent on more important things-y'know, like CHARACTER DEVELOPMENT. I don't think I laughed at a single "joke" in this movie, and I'll laugh at almost anything. And I won't even get started on the trolls, or this rant would get longer.
I agree, this is just not a good movie and I'd never let any children of mine watch it. It has a lot of skewed principles.
You probably havent seen the movie🥰 Elsa is AFRAID of her powers thats why she abondens everyone, having ice powers doesnt make her evil?? Because of fear controlling her actions she cant go back And this HAS a purpose to demonstrate that she feels trapped and the movie shows opening up and letting go of fears leads to a happy end, just watch the movie😘
@@itsvitoagain I have a 10 year old daughter who, from the age of 4-6 watched this movie on a LOOP. Furthermore, *fear* is not an excuse for inaction when *you've doomed your kingdom to death by hypothermia.* Courage is not being unafraid. It's taking action *despite* being afraid. Elsa is a straight-up *COWARD* and not a character any little girl should be encouraged to emulate. She makes a big mess, then someone else (Anna) cleans it up, and at the end the audience is supposed to go, "So stunning. So brave."
@@AnimaVox_ I agree with literally every word you said. I could rant for a very long time about the not only the trolls, but about how Elsa and Anna's parents (particularly her mother) are *the worst parents* in all of Disney. Seriously, how do you watch your husband terrify your daughter for *YEARS* without once saying, "This isn't working. We're not doing this anymore. We'll figure something else out." I don't care if he's the king. You're the queen AND her mother. You're obligated to put a stop to it!
@@meredithcarroll6209 Completely agree. And Frozen II actually makes Iduna look like an even worse parent, in retrospect, because she knew about magic all along and did NOTHING to help her daughter. Frozen II also *confirms* that the winter would've stopped with Elsa's death since any trace of her powers disappears after she freezes in that iceberg-so if Hans had succeeded, he really would have become a hero. Seriously, wth, Jennifer Lee? She apparently wanted to off Elsa, but I think Iger or someone higher up than her said no and didn't allow it; I think there's concept art somewhere. Instead, Elsa's turned into an immortal goddess or something, because I guess that's relatable now.
The female leads have little to no impulse control, yet somehow, they're supposed to serve as role models for kids. In a franchise that tried to use feminine empowerment to market itself, the main female characters are consistently selfish and incompetent while the male character they tried to vilify is a far better leader and is literally shown caring for the people of a kingdom that isn't even his more than they ever did. It's actually kind of hilarious how badly the writers had to screw up to achieve the opposite of what they were going for. That, or they just didn't care and their morals are backwards.
The problem with Prince Hans is that, by scraping the concept of Elsa being the villain in favor of Anna and Elsa being sisters, Frozen's story doesn't need a villain to begin with. Villains like Scar and Hades work because they are the reason the plots in their respective movies exist to begin with. Frozen's plot has almost nothing to do with some creepy guy who wants to take over the kingdom of Arendelle, despite the movie's attempts to convince you otherwise, (such as Anna being naive, Anna's act of true love, etc.). If Hans was written out of the movie and Elsa found out a way to unthaw Anna's Frozen heart herself, nothing would have changed. There are only two ways a villain other than Elsa can work. The first way is the villain has to have a compelling reason for wanting to hurt Anna, giving Elsa an actual incentive to learn to control her powers, which is so she can protect her sister. The other way is for the villain to attack Arendelle itself, giving Elsa another incentive to control her powers, which is so she can protect her kingdom. Other than that, there really isn't a need for Frozen to have a villain if Elsa isn't going to be the villain of the movie.
The more you think about this movie, the less sense the writing makes.
My mom keeps saying I should look at this film through the eyes of young girls or some such bull. OK, by that same logic, you could go "Oh, you just need to look at Norm of the North through the eyes of kids, and the issues like the story problems and plot holes won't matter!" Also, some of those kids think fart jokes are funny, and some may want to be creators. Not to mention, the show that became the #1 show for kids some years ago was not a smartly-written show like most of SpongeBob or My Little Pony: Friendship is Magic, but a dumb, poorly-animated, immature show called Breadwinners!
So how can we let kids be kids and what-not with stuff like that? Walt Disney was a good man and a hero to children everywhere! And he focused on making movies for kids AND adults. Not just for a bunch of little girls who have never set foot in a castle and have probably never met any real princesses in their life!
It would've been easy to keep Hans and still kept the whole "you can't marry someone you just met" moral.
You just let the kiss fail.
You could've kept 90% of Hans characterization and not turn him into a 1 dimensional character. I have ideas if anyone cares to know how I'd write it up.
Go ahead. I'd like to hear your ideas.
@@ironphantom4912 to Start Hans kisses Ana and it just doesn't work. We go back to Hans living with his brothers and their active bullying makes him believe he's not just up to becoming the next prince of his home kingdom he's not worthy of the better things. Whether it's the choicest piece of food to even a beautiful princess to marry. Hans journey to Arendelle is filled with stories of the Queen to be and he falls in love with the idea of a solitary introvert of the Danish princess but he talks himself out of Elsa ever wanting him. He finds Ana and decides to settle for her but seeing Elsa for the first time can be taken in a new context where he's looking at Elsa like the Ice Queen she is. His failed Kiss can continue to prove how you can't get in bed with the first man you marry and gives Hans more reason to defend Elsa when he doesn't have to. After that I can see the duke of Weaselton and his goons taking the place of Hans after that scene and finally getting punched off the boat by Ana at the end.
Admittedly, my Edit turns Hans into a materialistic sad boy but it gives him emotional drama to crash into what I assume the moral of the story is supposed to be saying. Love isn't so simple. And the heel turn doesn't do it well enough.
I remember when this movie at its hype there was a article about how Hans is a great villain because he teaches young girls to " Beware of nice guys".
While it is a good lesson to teach younger children, it needs to be written way better than what we got
While I understand what they're TRYING to go for (if that's what they were going for), that still comes off like they're telling young girls to stay away from ALL nice guys. That can also backfire by causing young girls to turn away from nice guys who do what they do for no other reason than just the fact that they ARE nice guys. You can't go through life thinking everyone you meet who's being nice to you is only using you for sinister purposes. That's a very sad way to live.
@@whitewolf1310 Uh sure, but so is trusting every nice-seeming person you meet. Like Anna did. You should still be wary of nice men and women until you actually know them.
@@e.t.2437 I never said to trust every nice-seeming person you meet. I simply said that doing the opposite can backfire just as much as what happened to Anna. And whatever the movie was trying to go for, it still doesn't excuse bad writing. The twist regarding Hans still comes off feeling very lazy and written at the last minute.
I think Kristoff ruins that message. Because then instead of "Even if a stranger seems nice that doesn't mean they have the best intentions" it becomes "Girls are so shallow and dumb for always chosing the nice handsome princes, they should just go for rude smelly guys instead"
This movie didn't need any villain. At all. Hans could gave kissed Anna, it wouldn't have worked, and it could still push him to try to kill Elsa all the same in an attempt to save Anna and end the storm (by killing the witch casting the spell, in his eyes). He could be ashamed of that attempt and leave after that.
I like that idea so much more.
Yeah, that's a better idea.
Disney wastes their potential so much because of IP brand management.
This is such glass! I love this so much! I would really like to at least read a fanfic with a similar plot.
Honestly, the movie would have been better if Elsa was the villain as originally intended. In the original Snow Queen, there's a major plot point where Kai is infected by a demonic mirror shard and becomes cold and fiendish. They could have used that.
No. The movie is fine without Elsa being a villain. Just having her insecurities being the conflict is suitable enough for the plot. Enough already with the “Elsa should’ve been the villain bulls***”.
@@hunterolaughlin I think either option could've worked with more competent writers, but I like your suggestion better. I've thought about that before too; there really was no need for a villain in the sort of story it was trying (and failed) to tell.
@@hunterolaughlin i mean, theres always the Duke
@@hunterolaughlin She practically was the villain.
This reminded me of a theory that was floating around after Frozen came out, about how the trolls might have cast a spell to make Hans evil in order to fulfil their own objectives (getting Ana and Kristoff together). That would have made more sense than whatever the hell is going on here.
The reason Hans suck as a villain is because he have the most weakness reasoning to even become in the first place.
His only purpose for being one is that he wants to married into power of another kingdom just so he can rule over it because he have zero chance of ruling his own kingdom back home.
Also, having all the privileges of the prince without any responsibilities of the king sounds nice. Hans has never been shown to be power-hungry until the twist where he did a 180 on his personality.
how stupid is that!
If you mean he did not have a very strong prominence in his motivation, then yes. Being power hungry is probably the most logical line to draw for a guy who is basically at the bottom rung of getting his family's throne. Man really did not have enough hints to really have a meaningful twist.
The Actual Origin of How Hans became evil is he got bullied by his brothers and that makes him power hungry.
Also as another comment stated, if Elsa dies, Anna become Queen, and Hans just stays as a royal advisor or whatever.
Hans could have worked, but his twist just HAD to have not been foreshadowed properly. If he was trying to get on everyone’s good sides why didn’t the movie show us any scenes of him being evil before the big reveal?
Because that would require good writing.
The number one thing I hate about Hans is always having to explain why I like him. My reasons are extremely complicated and personal and I'm tired of being judged for it regardless. Disney did me dirty.
I think I know where you're going with that...because same. Is he still wasted as a villain? Oh yeah. I guess I'm attached what he COULD have been as a character.
I feel you. He's easily the most interesting prince character since the Beast. It irks me that we almost had a really good nuanced character and the writers chose to piss all over that instead of developing it in an interesting way. He's a character that really resonates with me too, since I understand the sort of logic that can result in all his actions, writing issues aside.
The irony is that he's still more heroic than Elsa and Anna. He did their one job for them and was better at it. It's bizarre how a movie that supposedly promotes 'female empowerment' makes its main female characters look utterly selfish and incompetent, while the male "villain" actually seems to care more about their people and a kingdom that isn't even his.
Hans has a surprising amount of depth (or potential for it I suppose) I honestly think this stupid twist is character assassination
Honestly I see a lot of people show Hans as Arrogant and self-absorbed and I think it's because of his last minutes of fame where he acts like a classic Disney Villain and saying stuff like " "I've already won" or something like that
Here's what I believe they should have done. If they wanted Anna with Kristoff so badly, they should have done this: Hans meets Elsa at the coronation instead of Anna. Having Elsa be reserved and overall antagonistic but her friendship with Hans can teach her that she doesn't have to be so crude. Anna should have been somewhat bitter as well as angry that her own sister and parents are closing her out from their perspective. Maybe in a twist of fate Anna could have run away instead after being secluded for so long and Elsa and Hans have to find her and she met Kristoff in the same time frame. When they encounter one another, Elsa could still be pressured enough and lose control, freezing her heart. Or they could have kept the plot the same and have Elsa run away. If Anna and Hans are romanced, have him go with her to the North Mountain, while Weaselton who could have been the major villain takes over the throne. After the encounter with Anna and Elsa this time around, Kristoff meets Elsa and they become a thing. Honestly, Elsa and Kristoff both have things for ice yet either path could work. Overall, Anna and Elsa's sisterhood should be the main concentration, but Hans and Kristoff both could have worked with a few tweaks and changes in dialogue. Imagine a scene where either men runs for either sisters, and Weaselton stands over Elsa with a dagger about to kill her, only for Anna to do the same action she did in the film. Just give both sisters love interests. A simple solution.
The twits scene was just _so_ dumb. Like, he could have kept the act up. Tried the kiss, tried a few times as he acted more frantic, "it's not working, why isn't it working!? Did the trolls lie?"
Instead he looses 99% of his braincells and tells Ana his whole plan and tells everyone else that Ana died while she's still alive.
Like you mentioned, he can't be King. And he can't be any kind of ruler of Arendelle if Ana is dead and there's no heir. Especially not when the "marriage" was like, some secret unofficial vows with no witnesses. If he'd kept manipulating Ana, he could have easily gotten _her_ to like, officially proclaim that if she doesn't survive, she wants Hans to take over, giving him some small form of legitimacy to build on. Especially if he could kill Elsa too to "try to cure" or even actually cure Ana. Cause let's face it, Ana isn't ready to be a ruler, she would depend on him so much he could easily rule from the shadows. And then if he really disliked her he could off her once they had an heir he could be regent to.
Honestly I just want a Hans redemption arc in the 3rd movie. The sloppy way they handled his plot twist was so badly done. They literally make you fall in love with his character just to pull the rug from under you. It isn’t even in a teaching moment sort of way. There is no warning. It actually would give people trust issues because he just became evil all the sudden? Does that mean real people can become evil in a second? That’s messed up.
It was supposed to teach people not to trust strangers right away because they might turn out to be evil people with ulterior motives, however due to how horribly built up Hans was the message just came out poorly.
@@urmom6701right right. Don’t trust someone you just met. Unless it’s this man with a reindeer. Then trust him. Nono he won’t kill you up on that mountain where he has you all alone. Nope. Your good. But definitely don’t trust this prince who understands your loneliness and understands what you have to deal with as royalty. Nope. He’s bad.
But in all honesty I get it. But like you said. Terrible execution. -1 star.
Here's what I believe they should have done. If they wanted Anna with Kristoff so badly, they should have done this: Hans meets Elsa at the coronation instead of Anna. Having Elsa be reserved and overall antagonistic but her friendship with Hans can teach her that she doesn't have to be so crude. Anna should have been somewhat bitter as well as angry that her own sister and parents are closing her out from their perspective. Maybe in a twist of fate Anna could have run away instead after being secluded for so long and Elsa and Hans have to find her and she met Kristoff in the same time frame. When they encounter one another, Elsa could still be pressured enough and lose control, freezing her heart. Or they could have kept the plot the same and have Elsa run away. If Anna and Hans are romanced, have him go with her to the North Mountain, while Weaselton who could have been the major villain takes over the throne. After the encounter with Anna and Elsa this time around, Kristoff meets Elsa and they become a thing. Honestly, Elsa and Kristoff both have things for ice yet either path could work. Overall, Anna and Elsa's sisterhood should be the main concentration, but Hans and Kristoff both could have worked with a few tweaks and changes in dialogue. Imagine a scene where either men runs for either sisters, and Weaselton stands over Elsa with a dagger about to kill her, only for Anna to do the same action she did in the film. Just give both sisters love interests. A simple solution.
@urmom6701 Yeah, I mentioned to my mom the other day how the twist was badly-done, and she said she thought the idea was clever. True as that may be, it really needed to be executed better, as you said. Just having a clever idea isn't enough.
Maybe it could have been like this: Elsa is the real main big bad who gets redeemed while Hans is like her goon/underling he seduces Anna but ends up falling in love with her for real Kristoff could be a fun wingman and in the final battle with Elsa he finally confronts his true feelings betraying her that's the plot twist maybe it's too predictable but could be cool he can be a fake villain (idk what the trope is called) like Cedric from Sofia the First and have a sad song like My Evil Dreams
Imagine how cool it would have been if Hans and Anna were just two people who got along well and interpreteted their feelings for each other for true love instead of being just "I like this person they are so nice to me". I mean, he could have kissed her and it didnt work. First they are both confused but after some talking they realized: "Maybe we really were a bit too soon". They both had a reason to marry other than for love. Anna wanted to spare herself of the lonely life she would face after Elsa closes the doors again and she IS a romantic person. She wants to be loved and be in love and thar is nothing bad at all. And Hans wanted to get away from his abusive family and find someone who values him for who he is (all canon in "A Frozen Heart"). Then they would have worked together to save Elsa (perhaps they also realized they had feelings for someone else. Helsa anyone?). Maybe Elsa wanted to kill herself or anything or one of the guards or the Duke (though i admit that would rather look silly). And in the end we all learned that "Hey even if we do not fit well romanticly we can still be good friends".
Was it really that hard ?
YES. I was 100 percent seeing the signs of hans x elsa having some potential
Or Hans could have just met Elsa at the coronation instead of Anna. They don't have to have an instant romance but a friendship. Having Elsa be reserved and overall antagonistic but her friendship with Hans can teach her that she doesn't have to be so crude. Anna should have been somewhat bitter as well as angry that her own sister and parents are closing her out from their perspective. Maybe Anna could have run away instead after being secluded for so long and Elsa and Hans have to find her and she met Kristoff in the same time frame. When they encounter one another, Elsa could still be pressured enough and lose control, freezing her heart. Or they could have kept the plot the same and have Elsa run away with Hana looking for her under separate terms from Anna while Weaselton takes over the throne. Overall, Anna and Elsa's sisterhood should be the main concentration, but Hans and Kristoff both could have worked with a few tweaks and changes in dialogue. Imagine a scene where Hans runs for Elsa and Kristoff for Anna, and Weaselton stands over Elsa with a dagger about to kill her, only for Anna to do the same action she did in the film. Just give both sisters love interests. A simple solution.
A few weeks ago, I was thinking of a rewrite scenario that would turn Hans from the worst part of the movie to the best part of the movie. Please note that I did not know about the book of frozen hearts or whatever that was. Here are some main points:
-Hans and Anna actually kiss but it doesn't work. At first they're both shocked but then Hans is hit with a sudden "oh shit" realization.
-Since the cat is (relatively) out of the bag, he comes clear to Anna that maybe the kiss didn't work because he had the ulterior motive of gaining the throne by marrying Anna.
-He knew Elsa wasn't the type of girl to get married to anyone anytime soon, and a kingdom needed both a queen and a king so the throne would eventually be transferred to Anna if she married someone.
-Hans decides to break up with Anna because a girl as honest as her deserves someone who loves her for who she is, without any ulterior motives.
-Anna tells Hans about Kristoff and Hans goes to look for him, but sees Elsa on the way.
-When he sees Elsa, he projects all the hatred and contempt he held for his older brothers onto her. "How dare you do something so horrible to your own sister?" , "Why do older siblings always think its okay for them to treat their younger siblings like trash?" And whatnot. Now his attempt at killing Elsa isn't a stupid bid for the throne, but rather just a victim of abuse and neglect lashing out at a well meaning sister just because he sees her as a neglectful abuser of someone else.
-Anna tries to stop Hans because no matter what Elsa would do, she didn't mean it and she is still her sister, prompting Hans to remember the oldest of his brothers, the one who always had his back and stood up for him, the one who said Hans didn't deserve any of this because he was still their brother. This moment gives Hans some clarity and the curse will still be lifted by Anna and Elsa's sisterly love.
honestly I think that could work but instead of it just being him lashing out projecting....if maybe what he's upset by is how elsa has handled it? like maybe part of her still want to run away or maybe she still doesnt want to see anna despite him telling her about the affect since elsa didnt know she hit anna like that. if maybe he tried to convince elsa to go to anna and try to do something or at least to go see her. maybe telling elsa about how his love wasnt enough to save anna and maybe elsa getting pissed and trying to blame him. him getting upset at elsa for still trying to run away instead of facing anna would actually help confront the flaw elsa has been running away from this whole movie
I love how the second movie comes out a cements the idea Hans would've been king if he did nothing. He actually wouldn't because he's not descended from the royal family of Arendele, you know what I mean. All he had to do was sit back and help Anna. Someone even said that Elsa, on her song, was giving the crown to Anna because she didn't want to be queen. In every single way you look at it, he would've gotten what he wanted (kind of) if he didn't do the evil stuff.
Thank god i wasnt the only one as a kid who realized that hans didn't give any villain vibes which is why i hated the ending because i loved his character so much and he just had no motivations
Hans is one of my favourite Disney princes for 85% of the movie and then turns into the worst Disney villain ever "written" for the last 15 minutes. Still bitter about it to this day. If they wanted to show how family love is important rather than only romantic love, they should have had him kiss Anna, have it not work because it's not "true love" since they barely know each other, and THEN have him try to kill Elsa in desperation because he can't think of anything else to do for Anna OR the kingdom, and Anna realizes this and has to stop him (and save herself) the same way she did in the movie. They could have parted ways as friends and she could still get with Kristoff.
(Also, even if he married Anna last minute, he wouldn't have a claim to the throne before he got a child with her)
yeah i get you...the dude was actually reliable and trying to protect elsa at points through out the movie and wanted to practically talk about reversing the storm or something and not jump to just kill elsa. and seemed genuinely nice and cute around anna...how the hell you gonna give me that and just make him 'i was planning to marry you and MURDER you and your sister for the thrown ferom the begining' bullshit...when no one knows abything about the or their country and if he wanted to beawa from his family just marrying anna would have been enough.
Easy fix: Anna and Hans kiss, and nothing happens. Hans panics because this means she doesn't love him (because Kristoff?) and excuses himself, saying he's going to get something or someone to help. Lock the door, lie to council. Now Hans looks like he was just a shallow man who doesn't want to lose her or the power she gave him, instead of an incompetent planner for regicide.
Does anyone else find it kidn of amazing how this film dropped jusr a year after Wreck it Ralph (which has one of the best twist villains out there) and gave us one of the WORSR twist villains? Like, they did so well with WIR, but they just dropped the flippin ball here!
For all the wasted potential of Hans, Frozen still is the clear 2013 winner of animated films.
Aside from The Croods and Epic, the competition of 2013 is pretty weak.
Turbo? Cloudy With A Chance Of Meatballs 2? Free Birds?
@Thomasmemoryscentral lol I remember you from the billboard breakdown comments sections
also yeah 2013 was a horrible year for animated movies and frozen is the best of them (though it has many problems)
@@Thomasmemoryscentral On top of its poorly-aged textures, Frozen's lack of coherent writing and significant character development does it no favors. The Croods is a far better movie and both it and Epic's animation have aged better than Frozen's. I'd say it was robbed, but the Oscars hold no credibility to me anyway, particularly regarding animation-especially after they chose Toy Story 4 over Klaus.
@@Thomasmemoryscentral is already proved that Disney pays the people of the Oscars to make them won
I'm glad that this year they didn't
Which is weird, because both movies were written by the same person!
See, the mirror thing actually would have been an interesting way to work that in, if Hans had any had any sort of theme or connection to mirrors. But so far as I can recall, he doesn't - I mean, it's been a long time since I watched the movie, but still, I can't recall him ever even LOOKING in a mirror, let alone having it be part of his theme. I suppose it might have been a clever twist if the Hans we originally meet actually WAS the nice, goofy guy he appeared to be, but then he got evil-mirrored somehow, and either got his personality changed by it (as in the original story), or we learn that his evil reflection stepped out of the mirror at some point, shoved original-flavor him in a cupboard or something somewhere, and had been masquerading as him ever since - but we didn't get that, so it's moot.
And really, the whole 'twist villain' thing only works, only ever HAS worked, when it makes sense in retrospect. That isn't the case with most Disney twisty-villains, but it REALLY isn't with Hans. If he'd had a certain bad-boy swagger to him for most of the film, that had been played up as a sort of endearing flaw, like 'oh, hey, he's like Gaston but good; awesome!', and then all of a sudden we learn that, no; he had a bad-boy swagger because he was a genuine jerk who'd seduced poor innocent Elsa. Or if my evil-reflection thing had been put into play, there could have been subtle hints to that throughout the film, like he started out a lefty and then throughout the rest of the film was right-handed. If you could rewatch the film and see him in a different light, like 'no! No! He's evil! Look at that obvious hint!', that would make it work - but there are no such hints; he just switches characters completely from one moment to the next. He's not a twist villain, he's a twist rewrite.
They could just have Hans kiss Anna and it not working because she doesn't love him actually. Road to El Dorado and Sinbad the Legend of seven seas make their love triangles more interesting, and understandable, and reach healthy resolution better than any other love triangle I've ever seen in any media.
This comment is kind of dumb. There were hardly any "love triangle" conflicts in those DreamWorks movies. This comment screams "DREAMWORKS IS BETTER THAN DISNEY" type of stuff that's tiring.
@@purpleclaws202 There was a sort of love triangle in Sinbad, but there was no real romance between Proteus and Marina-they were just in an arranged betrothal. He lets her go in the end with no hard feelings. But yeah, Idk what OP is talking about with El Dorado, there was never any love triangle there.
@@AnimaVox_ maybe he meant that, though chel frankly fell in love with tulio, Miguel also was interested in her at first. Barely any of the conflict in the movie was related to that though.
Sinbad when Virtuegood walks in
@@benwood5659 Did people forget that Miguel walked in on them kissing after Tulio told him that both of them shouldn't get romantically involved with her? Maybe ''love triangle'' isn't the best way to describe it but a good portion of the plot and drama revolves around 3 characters, their relationship and romance.
I like Hans up until the point where he is shown to be a villain. During the parts before, it is seen that he really does have an interest in Anna, as well as an interest in helping people when Elsa runs away. But then, all of the sudden, he's evil and wants to kill Elsa and Anna in order to take the throne of Arendelle? The only thing building up to this twist is the mention of his brothers, and I've basically forgotten that he talked about it until watching this video when I remembered that it was a thing. It's not Chekhov's gun, as I don't think that aspect was ever mentioned again throughout the movie.
The problem with calling Hans a villain is that he was good up until he wasn’t. He didn’t need to tell Anna he plan.
Hans is an atrocious villain. Also technically they already had a villain earlier in the film with the Alan Tudyk character. The twist just felt super last minute and he didn’t have that much time to be evil.
What is this? The Cartoon Network movie Re-Animated's long-lost cousin in disguise?
They could’ve had the Duke of Weselton be the mastermind behind the plan that Hans is following, so when Hans actually grows to like Anna he is conflicted about betraying her (Heck, the first puss in boots movie did this with kitty softpaws) He can still get his judgement at the end, showing a good point that sympathetic villains still have to own up to their actions.
All you need are some subtle glares or prompting from the Duke during the ball, have the Duke introduce him to the sisters, and an argument between the two before the sick Anna scene, then have the kiss not actually work. (Cause they just met, have only platonic feelings, insert any other explanation here) he remorsefully reveals the plan to Anna as an explanation for why the kiss didn’t work.
Heck, this could create an interesting reflection of conceal don’t feel where the Duke enforces a belief on Hans of “to get what you want you must set your feelings aside.” Have the Duke try to end Elsa, and Hans realize setting aside feelings doesn’t mean having to forego morals. Anna pleads for him to try and save Elsa, he tries to stop the Duke, but gets trapped by the guard because according to the Duke “Prince Hans was ensorceled by the witch queen!” And bada-bing the rest of that scene goes normally just with Duke in Hans’s place.
Again, why didn't they go that more sensible, logical route? Why the bad writing? Who do they think they are? The people who made Re-Animated or The Legend of the Titanic?
You can really feel that Hans wasn't planned to be the villain.
Yeah, the twist was actually one of the 3 or 4 plot holes I noticed upon the first viewing. How my mom could say something like "the twist was NOT forced" is beyond me.
That's why i actually like him: before i just thought he's boring, because as a villain he is, but after rewatching the scenes with him while keeping in mind that the twist was a last-moment addition, i noticed that he's actually a charming, human character who became a victim of bad writing. He seems to be as naive as Anna when it comes to love, and it could've worked perfectly if the kiss did not work because their love is too young yet to be the True Love, and they just feel like it's True Love because they're both lonely inexperienced people. Then Anna could save Elsa as before (from evil mustache man, just redesign him to be big and menacing) and we would have a bittersweet ending with good message about love for kids and teenagers. Anna and Hans would agree that they should spend more time together before marrying, and we would be able to theorize if their love will grow to be a True Love or not. The End.
I actually really love Hans mostly because I’m a character designer and I really like his design
I think Hans was an interesting concept executed poorly. While I personally enjoy Frozen, I acknowledge that it's flawed, and IMO one of its biggest flaws is that the use of Hans just feels contrived. I think it would have helped if there had actually been a little bit of foreshadowing regarding his intentions. Because there was nothing. In my opinion, it's good foreshadowing when you watch something the first time and don't see a twist coming, but then when you go back and watch it again, you see some of the little hints dropped in a completely different light and everything just clicks.
But that doesn't happen with Frozen. While some of his actions COULD be rationalized with a bit of stretching, there are too many things that just don't seem to click. Like Hans smiling at Anna while she's not looking or assuming that Elsa dying will bring back summer when he has no way of knowing that for sure.
*facepalm* Disney, you need to READ through your scripts before animating. THAT IS WHY MOVIE SCRIPTS EXIST.
Creators better fix his character in Frozen III
Redeem thirteen!
They probably won't. Disney has clowned on him hard. Frozen Fever, Once Upon a Studio, Frozen II, hell even some random newspaper bullet board in Disneyland pokes fun at him. Disney hates this character with a misplaced fury that burns greater than the infernos of hell. I would be shocked, absolutely FLABBERGASTED if they even let this character appear in Frozen 3 more than just a 3 second joke.
It sucks because I like the potential of him. He's easily fixable, especially if you give him a redemption arc. I've read so much fanfiction that does fleshing him out and explaining his motives than the movie.
I heard a theory that the trolls are the reason Hans turns evil. The trolls turn him evil to keep Anna from marrying him. All of this so that she will end up with kristoff. That is the only reasonable explanation to all his actions.
It really is.
If they were so bent on turning Elsa good, they should have done it like they did with John Silver in Treasure Planet
Exactly. That definitely would've been the case had Treasure Planet been a huge hit instead of a huge flop.
I still remember being in the theater in 2013 and this "twist" was revealed my audible and very loud "what?!?" jumping out of me.
This was by far the dumbest plan all he had to do was play his role, I hated Frozen after that not because of the annoying yet catchy song. But this ONE MOMENT...still burns me 🤬🔥
Why can't we have fantastic, unforgettable villains in a Disney movie again. Scar is one of my favourite Disney villains with an unforgettable presence, with one of the best villan songs to boot.
Disney has been so terrified to have villains in their movies in recent years. Please make antagonists like Scar, Jafar and Frollo again. Not every single Disney movie needs a villain, but if they do, make them a good villain
WARNING, its a lot.
The more I think of Frozen, the more I realize how terrible the plot is. It hinges on nonsense, and I never found Elsa to be anything good at all. To see her praised everywhere has never made sense to me.
The video already explained all of Hans' flaws, so I will just write my solution to this problem. (I am disregarding whatever book had that backstory since nothing correlates with the movie anyway)
Hans is the 12th prince of the Kingdom of whatever. Being the youngest, he is very like Anna; naïve, a bit immature, his head in the clouds. He does not think being King is that hard of a job and doesn't understand why his oldest brothers treat the station with such seriousness. His worldview of romance is like in the novels. Having just come of age, the King of whatever decides to send Hans on his first official prince duty: attend the coronation at Arendelle, a diplomatic affair Hans should be able to handle. Hans goes and is delighted by the kingdom, he meets Anna. They are kindred spirits, they understand each other almost instantly. Both believe that this connection they feel is true love. The movie continues the same plot until Anna leaves to search for Elsa. She asks Hans to watch over Arendelle until she comes back with Elsa. Hans (who is visibly nervous) accepts with a promise to do his best. This was not anything he expected to ever have to do: Be a ruler himself. The entire time Anna is gone he tries to help the people, but it is only getting colder, and the people are losing hope. Hans begins to understand what it means to have a kingdom depend on you and how difficult and daunting being a ruler is. He joins the expedition up the mountain to look for the sisters, worried for them both, and things play out like normal. Once Elsa is brought back, he questions her about Anna and stopping the cold. Elsa doesn't know where Anna went and tries to get ahold of the storm but is unsuccessful. Hans returns back to the main part of the castle in time to receive the freezing Anna. They kiss, but as it was only infatuation the two feel, it doesn't work. Devastated, Hans tries a few more times, but still nothing. It's a heartbreaking moment and Hans breaks down under the weight of helplessness, telling Anna that he tried his hardest but it was not enough. Both realize Elsa was right and they jumped the gun completely. One of the guards comes in and tells them Elsa escaped. Anna realizes that true love doesn't mean it has to be romantic and asks Hans to carry her out into the storm to find her. Hans does not believe he can do it or that they can find Elsa. Anna reminds him of all the good he accomplished on his own and that they have a chance to stop the blizzard from destroying Arendelle. Hans thanks her for believing in him and helps her out across the ice. The blizzard is now at it's worst, even Elsa cannot see through it. Elsa gives up running in despair and falls to the ice. Hans is hurt while helping Anna, and he tells her to continue on to her sister. Breaking through to the heart of the storm, Anna's last act before she freezes solid is to throw her arms around Elsa. The reunion scene plays out like the original, Elsa unfreezes the kingdom, Kristoff helps Hans back to the castle. In the aftermath, Hans and Anna break off the engagement, both agreeing they weren't meant to be in a relationship like that but want to remain friends. Hans, having been humbled and realizing just how much growing he has left to do, returns to his home with newfound respect for his father and brothers, intending to be a better prince and brother.
I came up with all of that in less than 10 minutes. Instead of a terrible twist from out of left field, it fixes the character and has the message for both boys and girls of the dangers of jumping into relationships on a whim or based entirely on infatuation. Which is far better than what we got.
If you read this far I'm proud of you.
Hans is weirdly written because, I WOULD have made sense with a really simple thing: making Hans caring about Anna but with the situation, he changes his point of view at the end for a more selfish decision. IT WOULD BE EASY TO WRITE IT and it would change NOTHING to the plot or the story! I'm so angry at Hans because his twist makes SENSE but how they did it doesn't make sense!
Let me explain:
At the beginning, Hans arrived at Arrendelle, sent by his not loving family. Finding Anna made the idea grow: he can have a place in the royalty with Anna. He doesn't want to be the spare anymore. Anna is cute and she can be a fine arranged wife -because it's royalty: love is rare in wedding.
So, let's prove to everyone he is a good leader. He is helping his future chosen family during the movie.
However things changed and became... Complicated. This new family made be a dead end.
=> exactly like in the movie
The change would be when Anna came back:
When he saw the situation: Elsa can't fix the blizzard, the kingdom is doomed. PLUS Anna is cursed! She was okay for him but he never really loved her... He can't save her. And AT THAT POINT, he switches! If they died, he will be king as he is wanted. Anna is dying and well... The others rulers will not step forward directly to kill the Queen (because you know, political issues). But if he did it, he thought it would fix everything and he would say that Elsa wanted to end the blizzard and sadden by her sister deaf, she was willing to kill herself/being killed. Elsa & Anna would be martyrs and Hans, a Hero. Happy Hans ending!
I think that if they changed his sentences/acting during the fireplace scene, it would fix a lot of things. Disney went to full ugly villain/heartless when they should have gone to the "I'm willing to sacrifice you and your sister to have what I want even if I wasn't willing to in the first place".
=> deeper character arc, small modifications (less than 10 sentences during this scene), better way to show his twist.
it would be better if he really loved Anna but was obsessed with the idea of killing her sister Elsa for her own “safety
Frozen has traces of a good story but never hit the mark. Hans actions conflict with his motives. The movie lacks a lot of foreshadowing leaving characters like Hans as an afterthought. You would think he would rather gas light Anna and marry her as fast as possible so when she dies he would have a claim to the throne.
Frozen came out one year . . . before the dark times, before the Disney buy out of Star Wars . . . before the woke Disney Empire. Frozen got me chilled figuring out that Hans's 180 turn was the first red flag for Disney going woke.
It's like the writers had to scramble to come up with a villain for this movie at the last minute since they decided not to go with their original plan which was having Elsa be the villain so this is what we got. lol
Actually, that kind of is what happened. You can feel it.
Ok but..if he killed them I'm sure the townspeople and royal guard would find out. Why didnt this dumbass just marry Anna, she's pretty and was already in love with him. There was no reason for him to hate her he could've just married her and eventually became king with no problems lmaoooo
Yes. So he is worst
It's like Disney used up all of their greatness fuel on Turbo and then had none left for Hans and those who follow (with a few exceptions)
For real though I would have been fine if they made Hans into a reluctant villain rather than a pure villain. Like you can keep his motivations intact but the twist would have been that it was all a lie just as a way to ease the pain of him (her lover) having the smooth-brained scheme of being the one to kill her sister, in which he actually believed can be the only way to stop the winter and bring back summer. You can say his villainous acts are stemmed from watching his brothers throughout the years of them torturing him.
In the words of the Nostalgia Critic, "Surprise! I was the villain. and the worst part of the movie." (from NC's The Hunchback of Notre Dame review)
Gaston was one of the best disney villains
The dumbest part of Frozen is that Hans would never become ruler. In most kingdoms if Anna died Hans is a duke. Not a king.
A long time ago, I saw a theory that the trolls were the real villains. It's not canon, but it would have made more sense.
Even if he is a poorly written character, I can't even hate Hans. But that's just because he was missed potential. And I guess that's a reason I can't enjoy Frozen as a whole. It's just missed/wasted potential.
This is my opinion only, but I think the movie could have been much better with Elsa in a antagonistic role. And I'm pretty sure everyone heard this again and again:
But Hans and Anna being in this interesting dynamic of what they think is love, but actually was just a craven of companionship that was finally fulfilled (a platonic bond) once they met each other. And if you wanted to throw in the backstory of Hans' abusive family it could have made the dynamic more understandable and impactful, because being shunned by family would be a commonality Hans and Anna would share and bond over. And having "True Loves Kiss" not work because the feelings weren't precisely romantic. And heck if you went with this plotline you could have two interesting outcomes:
1. Where Hans and Anna decided to keep their relationship platonic
Or 2. Maybe Hans & Anna actually wanting to explore something romantic, but it would take more time of getting to know each other until certain feelings can blossom.
(Also last to add, why does the theory of the trolls being behind and manipulating everything make more sense and even sounds like a better twist for this movie?!)
yeah.....Han's being evil felt odd to me at the time..he clearly felt something for anna at the begining that the horse noticed even before he found out she was the princess...and he did stop the guard from shooting her and it was the duke plannng to strait up kill her. han's seemed to actually want to talk. how is he suppoused to aim for a chandeller and know it wouldnt instantly kill her and just knock her out? and why just strait up say his evil plan like that when if he kept silent he could have probably still convinced anna to marry him..as a act of true love is rather vague.
why couldnt they just have them try the kiss and it just...not work? have him genuinely care about her and really upset or confused about it not working.
that could then give a opening for anna and hans to reflect because ANNA clung to him because she didnt want to be alone and he was a chance to not be cut off since her sister wanted to close the doors. and hve it so he liked her but that he was motivated for a chance to leave his home away from his family. maybe have him not want to be strait up king but just wanted thechance to leave his home since marrying anna really would have been enough.
the idea he was planning on killing them from the begining was stupid and makes no sense.
making it so he does care about anna but that there was underlying reasons both got attached so quickly would validate both anna and elsa's stances as elsa was right that it was way too fast while anna while also validating that part of elsa's motives for shutting down the idea entirely was also very strict and about isolation as she didnt give maybe a compromise to at least have them court for a while or something.
both maybe realizing the love wasnt exactly pure on either end.
andhonestly..they could have used christoff more as well. Anna literally had her mind wiped as a child and was stuff feeling lonely and isolated not knowing why she was shut out and elsa was alone dealing with her powers. Anna was protected but also her parents and elsa hid this from anna when anna could have been more supportive or there for elsa.
Anna has been working without context but having context would change alot of how she would feel wouldnt it as its not just elsa finding her a bother. It would also make sense for Christoff to have a part in that hypothetical conversation as he was there and witnessed anna getting her mind wiped and healed and how scared elsa was and teh visoon shown by the trolls.
since elsa hadnt actually talked to anna about what had happened in the past and why it had been hidden from her. christoff as a nuetral party could have helped be a wall for anna to bounce off of...as he could help explain how elsa had cared about anna and had been scared and that the parents had been told about it by the trolls. anna never really faced the fact her parents also jept her in the dark about it.
CHristoff also had certain aspects that didn''t get explored that coudl had brought up interesting aspects of the two ladys as he was of a practicall mind like elsa about how you can fall fro and marry someone in a day(backing up elsa's view).
but he also is a big fan of ice and also knows the freedom of being alone.
elsa always saw her powers as a negative...
how would she have reacted to christoff being clear in seeing the positive in her creations(that also parallel anna's enthusam for elsa's powers at the begining of the movie).
or how would anna have dealt with christoff actually understanding why elsa might want space from people(using the reindeers are better than people aspect of the song he sang).
after all elsa ran off for a reason with everyone being scared about her mixed with her view of how she was told to conceal everything.
WE know elsa probably deep down wants to be with anna and not be afraid anymore about her powers...but elsa discovered the freedom of being alone where she didnt have to conceal her powers anymore..but she still wanted others to keep away for safty and to not care about their judgment. and elsa was still indenial about that part of her want.
christoff could be used to explore some of that aspect as like elsa..he isnt that big of a fan of people.
he could get anna someoneto bounce offof to actually see why elsa wanted to be alone now and with th backstory realize the source of why elsaused to shut her out as we know elsa hadnt WANTEDD to shut anna out at the beginning.
heck you could even use how christoff doesnthave a family/parents at thebegining to bring a focus to the parents aspect that elsa and anna lost(which resulted in elsa having to be crowned).
christoff could parallel the allure of just isolating yourself in the castleso to speak with ice and not caring about others since they are out of mind and that freedom that comes with it and the beauty in her icepowers..andthe understanding other people can suck.
but also give a opportuinty to explore what anna bringings(which is acceptance and a positivity and willingness to reach out over and over and over despite being shut out for so long. how anna is so open and not ashamed of wanting a connection and that trying and trying to open communication is important). something we could see in why christoff could get some feelings for anna sincehe could admire some of that positivity and her wanting to keep reaching out.
as entertaining as the big fight was in the movie...I kept thinking they forced hans to be that evil because they needed to have elsa attacked so anna could save her and do the act of true love to try to speed run elsahaving her realization momenent...because they couldnt think of a way for elsa to understand the core of elsa's issues. anna and elsa didnt even have a proper conversation about it! elsa basically shut her out eachtime and then realized love after anna saved her while turning into ice.
heck, han's helping elsa when he is basically a stranger and someone she had wanted to shove out and even her own people are trying to hurt her...would actually give elsa another person to bounce off of and see why anna might want to be around other people and that elsa had wanted support this whole time.
heck it could have given her something to thnk about with comparing family stuff as she MUST have some mixed feelings in regards to her family like han's does..and more since han's is a younger brother...he could strait up give elsa a perspective about how anna must have felt being shut out without the 'i'm gonna dismissive everything anna has to say because she doesnt understand because she had her mind erased' aspect that was hovering in her interactions with anna as the sister who didnt realize she was almost killed by these powers.
not gonna lie...i hate the trolls... idon't know how i'd rework them into the into the situation..but first...not them force shipping christoff and anna and ignoring that anna was brought because she was dying!. heck maybe have they buy anna time or something.
He is terribly written, but worst? Nah. That would have to be Edgar from Aristocats. The whole conflict of that movie stemmed from him being too stupid to realize that he would obviously be the keeper of the inheritance since the cats can't use it.
I'd also argue that Ratcliffe was one of the worst villains because of how unnecessary he was. Pocahontas didn't really need a villain. It was doing fine with fear of the unknown being the root of the conflict.
Ahem…The “That was HIS mistake!” Guy from Big Hero Six. 😂
Honestly calahan is still better than the ones listed above, he was dumb with grief for the most part.
At leaste Edgar villainy came earlier and he was shown to be dangerous to the cats
Dumb take, Edgar at least is meant to be a goofball not to be taken seriously. Hans is MEANT to be taken seriously, so he IS worse. Also, Bellwether from Zootopia is worse. Her racism is just a facede for her hatred towards the mayor treating her like a doormat, her plan is as convoluted as it's idiotic : why let the mayor capture the feral predators, when if let roam free, they would attack people thus driving her whole point home ? Why is everyone so conveniently stupid to check cameras ?
@@MrRobot-0 Honestly NO, Callaghan is a worse Mr Freeze rip-off. Without any of the nuance or relatability as him.
The twist was stupid. The way the logic behind saving Anna was inconsistent as hell has always bothered me since you can argue her friends simply caring for her counted. Platonic love is very real disney. The logic here is nonsense if it’s considered. Which it’s not for some reason??
No concrete rules.
I haven’t seen Frozen in years. However, My problems with Hans was it came out of nowhere with no kind of foreshadowing or moments with the character showing any villainy traits whatsoever. An example of a plot twist love interest done right was the Disney channel og animated movie based on the Kim Possible series in which the Character Eric was working with the film’s antagonist. It worked since it was hinted earlier on in the film briefly and it was more of a shock when it was revealed Eric was the plot twist villain.
Elsa as a villian would be very interesting to me. I mean, maybe we could see that her ice powers come to her head and she don't want to stop the winter etc. Idk, I'm not a writer, but the idea and the concept of Anna trying to save her sister although everything what was between them and Elsa having realized that the ice powers and freedom in the ice castle don't make her happy but being with her sister, in my opinion, would be way better.
Yeah, like she spent so long being told to control her powers, so when she finally gets a glimpse of pure freedom she never wants to go back, even at the risk of harming others
I was mildly interested in the Hans twist because it was one of the only peices of actual intrigue in the whole movie. I like twists that recontextualize characters, but it's true that you have to do some absolute mental gymnastics to justify this one. Some of the theories I've seen to explain it are genuinly interesting ideas that could have made a good movie on their own. In the end though, they are excuses to cover for Disney's writing, the responsability of which shouldn't have to fall on the fans.
I vividly remember watching this movie in theaters for my 7th birthday and being ACTUALLY as heartbroken and angry as a 7 year old could be about this guy lol
The weasel duke should've secretly had magic powers similar to elsa. And just like her he was forced to hide from and fear his powers. That's why he reacts so harshly to elsa, it's his self loathing being projected; similar to a mutant character in the animated spiderman/xmen crossover. He's basically a...dark mirror to elsa, showing how she could've ended up if she continued down her path and after a climax of him finally setting loose but also losing control elsa convinces him to use his power to heal anna, again going with the mirror theme. But no, instead we have to have the edgy catfisher villain
Honestly I don't think I would've minded Hans having no set up as a villain if he wasn't SO DAMN STUPID, OMFG WHY WOULDN'T YOU LET ELSA BE KILLED, WHY WOULDN'T YOU SIT IN THE ROOM TO MAKE SURE ANNA DIES??
Hans is honestly something that feels pretty stupid in execution as people are realizing how bad of a twist villain he is. He clearly should've remained as a good guy rather then being a bad guy, since the Duke of Westelton is obviously the bad guy from the start wanting the kingdom's resources and secrets uncovered. I presented my idea of how Hans could've been a better character from a video called We've Been Writing Twist Villains Wrong by Pistachios for Everyone. Let me know of what you think of my idea;
"Hans clearly at first doesn't feel like a character to be a villain and sure it makes sense given how Anna is way too open minded that she forgets to keep her insecurity in checked. But the Duke of Weselton is clearly the bad guy as he just wants the resources of Arendelle and uncover it's secrets. I think making him not a villain or a Twist Villian rather is a much better course of action, given how it can build on the conflict with Anna's feelings for another man and understanding the curse on Anna as it didn't work in the scene where Hans is about to kiss her. After all, Hans has been more or less trying to do his best to handle things under Anna's command as sister to Queen Elsa. He tries to find Elsa so he can understand what to do about the curse on Anna as it shocks her, the Duke tries to kill her, but Anna stops him from getting the killing blow on Elsa and boom, Hans remains a supporting character. He understands Anna's love for another man and goes home continuing to find his place and remains on good terms with the sisters."
I despise this movie the more I think about it. This movie is a true example of the Phantom Menace Effect.
Because he wasn’t supposed to be a villain, lol
He could've let the guards kill Elsa and then married Anna, who was going to kick the bucket anyway.
I don’t even think Hans counts as a villian at all. It’s like they just needed a villain and decided to make him one.
It does feel like that.
I think Calahaan from Big Hero 6 is the worst, simply because his motivations and change into a crazy murderer makes zero sense.
finally someone speaks my word, i am soo tired of the best things in frozen, oh hans the best villain like symbolism or break the trope of love in first sight, girl empowerment etc, i never felt soo pissed for over decades over a dumb movie like frozen
Especially because of all the better-made ones that came out before and after it, and don't get nearly as much attention as this film did. It hurts so much to think about that.
I’ve always wondered whenever I watched he film as a kid why Duke Weasselton wasn’t the one who went after Elsa when it was so clear he was gonna be the villain. He had power too since he was a Duke so he’d probably have men and weaponry. And how Hans was apparently the actual villain and the Duke just disappeared from the plot basically other than just hating on Elsa.
It wasn’t just like in big hero six where the guy was so obviously the villain and yet kind of non threatening, Duke Weaselton genuinely made me feel like he was capable and totally would attack Elsa. He honestly kind of intimidated me as a kid. He didn’t make me feel like he wasn’t going to be the villain and was just clickbait. In big hero six, I kind of immediately knew the clickbait villain wasn’t going to be the actual villain of the movie.
Hans is the worst Disney villain.
In other news, grass is green.
The sky is blue. The snow is white.
I was also 12 when the movie came out (just about 2 months before I turned 13) & it was real shocker seeing this twist, back then anyway.
Even Kingdom Hearts knows that this guy sucks, They skip his entire “arc” and jump straight to him trying kill to Anna’s sister right in front of everyone before She jumps in the way even then He don’t get a single line.
12:06, in Prince Hans were to try and fail to save Anna with true love’s kiss and then responded by blaming Queen Elsa and trying to kill Queen Elsa then he could have become the villain and the twist wouldn’t have required us to disregard everything we knew about the character
What makes his dumbass plot even worse is killing the only heirs to the throne wouldn't make Hans king. If the monarchy of Arendelle is anything like Britain’s, the spouses of the regnant, male or female, are in no way in line for the throne. If the entire royal house is dead, the crown is given to their closest relatives. An example is when Queen Anne died so it went to her nearest Protestant relative George of Hanover. Even if the Southern Isle’s royal family were the closest relatives, that crown would be given to the oldest child. I don't expect a Disney movie to have a great understanding of how Royal succession works, but at least put in a bit of research!
I’m glad everyone is starting to see how bad Frozen is
Yeah
He's essentially a different character in the last parts of the movie. Like the writers didn't know what to do or was just too lazy, maybe both
It would've made more sense if elsa was the villain and she manipulates hans to help her promising anna's hand in marriage
I don’t hate him but I wished his character was a little bit better tbh
He also doesn’t have anything that really stands out for him. I honestly keep forgetting that he exists
Yeah, I really do like when Disney turn prince Hans into a villain, I feel like they need to explore his backstory even more because every villain has a tragic backstory! Prince Hans is did appear in ABC Once Upon a Time As the antagonist for Elsa and Anna and Kristoff, and he appeared again in kingdom hearts 3 But in frozen 2 He’s never appeared again!
10 years later… well… I feel old.
really there were small hints( in the song Love is an open door) but Hans didn't seem like a villain. it just seems Disney needed a last-minute twist for this film and decided on Hans being a villain. i never really got the whole point of him being a villain, it never seemed to fit into the story well.
When Kristoff was shocked that Ana wanted to marry a man she'd just met, that made think, okay, so, she's probably going to decide in the end that Hans isn't the one for her. I didn't expect that he would be a villain.
Top 10 (much cooler) Villains that can defeat Hans in a deathmatch:
10. Wario
9. Gaston
8. Monokuma
7. Maleficent
6. Smithy
5. Ursula
4. King K. Rool
3. The Grinch
2. King Boo
👑1. Bowser
Let's say if Disney still stuck with Hans as a villain. How would you go about fixing Hans so that he is an actual villain? Would be an interesting video.
I've seen people point to a couple different moments to hint at his villainy. One being that he intentionally shot the arrow at the ice chandelier to break it above Elsa, and one being that he was only keeping Elsa alive to see if she could stop the winter, realizing she was no longer useful after she told him she couldn't. Did he know how to break a chandelier above someone to only knock them out? 😭 A Rube Goldberg master. If only they hinted at his legendary archery skills earlier in the film.
If his plan was to kill Elsa, why didn't he do it after she said she couldn't stop the winter? Huh?
Elsa would have been made a better villain. Hans just feels very phoned in because they decided to make Elsa not the villian at the end
Just today my parents and I talked about plot twists, and when they wondered what a ridiculous one would be, I said, "Easy. The Hans twist from Frozen!"
You know what their responses were?
My mom said she didn't think the twist was ridiculous, and my dad--one of the smartest people I know--also said he didn't think it was!
Are--you--kidding me?! There's nothing about this twist that ISN'T ridiculous!!
I recall that the song "More Than Just a Spare" was removed because it made Anna sound too much like Hans, feeling left in the shadows. I'd have enjoyed it if they gave Hans more screentime to show what loneliness and neglect made him a twisted version of Anna (because looking at Frozen 2, there's NO WAY he could've remained a good guy and had feelinga for Anna).
Now that i think of it, ive never see this dude in any of the parks
Anna and Elsa are still sisters
Elsa decides to purposely cause the infinite winter because she hates how people have treated her.
Hans is the good guy, and he did have feelings for Anna, and he wanted to try and save her and arendelle.
Kristoff is an old man who guides the way, and joins in the fam because he doesn't really have anyone.
The end
I'm totally agree.Hans never shoud be a villan!He should Maried Anna and Kristoff should married Elsa,For me always the true villan of this story should be this Duke of Whistletown.He is the true villan! And From the begging of create sister bond by Elsa and Anna who I really apperciate and make Elsa a hero,showing that winter is not only cold,danger hell,which kill people but If this duke try to kill Elsa instead of Hans and Hans still try to save Anna and Elsa with Kristoff Sven And Olaf that will be a perfect movie. But in this case is 6/10.
I understand your reasonings but I personally still think Professor Callahan is worse. Whilst he was built up better than Hans, his actions made significantly less sense. Despite being this supposed smart guy, he is just an absolute idiot for not even considering going into the portal himself to find his daughter in case she’s alive. If he did consider that and decided against it because it’s too dangerous or something then he’s just a terrible father. Loving fathers would put risk their lives to save their children yet Callahan never does that so how am I meant to care for him
Also, “that was his mistake” is a meme for a reason as it is so dumb. He was shown to care for Tadashi before so why has he stopped doing that all of a sudden