A few corrections/add-ons I’d like to make: -Peter got his powers back because he injected himself with the power-giving serum. I totally missed that on a rewatch, my bad. -I didn’t mean to imply that streaming existed in 2006. What I was trying to point out was that this was a transition period between old school cable and streaming. Entire shows were easier to watch in order through things like video on demand, dvr, dvd box sets, and buying episodes on itunes. This is one reason why more serialized shows were successful at this time. -Tim Kring announced a revival series in April called Heroes Eclipsed. The video was already done by the time I heard about it, otherwise I would have mentioned it.
Why do you keep saying old school cable? This was on NBC. NBC is a broadcast television channel. Even to this day you can just put an antenna up and watch it.
I’m starting to realize that I don’t know the difference between network and cable tv. Growing up, I had a ‘cable box’ and I referred to anything I watched on it as ‘cable tv.’ I’ve also always heard ‘streaming’ and ‘cable’ described as the two opposing ways to watch tv in the modern day. I never knew that ‘network’ tv was its own distinct thing before all these comments started correcting me.
"heroes reborn? there was a reboot of heroes? How did I never hear about this?" > The first thing it does is kill off claire offscreen "oh. Nevermind."
You didn't miss much, it wasn't good. A few of the original actors came back but it felt like they pretty much came back for a paycheck (especially considering others left for better things like Claire and Sylar's actors). Most of the new characters were meh and the overall story was grasping for straws.
It does more then that, it makes her a central character so it feels like a giant piece is missing. If they couldn't get the actress back they should have given the role to some other character.
Showing my gen z roomate the vlassic 2000s tv shows. Dexter, heros etc and she asked me why they have a 1 minute recap of the story at the start of every episode and i said we werent uaed to continuous stories yet. 😂
Not true - maybe not for the first season but you could watch heroes episodes online iirc, and definitely through dvr and next day on demand through a cable box.
that was the original plan for the HEROES show as each season(Volume) was supposed to be self-contained but connected to the overall world of HEROES, but the season 1(Volume 1) cast became really popular and NBC didn't think that introducing a new cast every season(Volume) would be good for the show.
@@ShadowSonic2 its not very easy. "American Horror Story" was a different genre. Heroes was an international superhit with characters/actors from around the world. It gained a massive fan following. also season 2 heroes did introduce some new characters but they were all flop.
When Heroes first came out I downloaded 6 min long pieces of new episodes (8 videos per episode) at my work computer with a high speed Internet. Put them into a USB go home and watch it with my GF. When Hiro's timeline was revealed, I thought it was the coolest scene I have ever seen. I was 23. Great video! Thanks for putting it together! That does not change the fact that we are all idiots to watch the entire series at least twice over :))
I'm pretty sure Peter took the serum in order to get abilities again. So that would explain a difference in powers but it always confused me that he just got a watered down version of what he already had.
I like to believe that he had his ability for years before he realized it, so his ability was able to evolve to what it was. Eventually it would evolve back. Not canon I know but I like to believe it.
It's really weird why Peter got a watered down version of his ability because the "Formula" was presented as a perfect well, formula to give abilities because Mohinder got it wrong and started to have a hideous mutation as a result but when he took the perfect formula it got rid of the mutation but he still had his enhanced Strength, agility and durability.
@@spyderbite8723 Yeah, that could make some sense considering that he seemed to have absorbed the dream walking version of telepathy from Charles Deveaux without realising. Though he didn't get his mother's powers until later in the show.
The eclipse was annoying because when it took the powers away, they strongly implied that the eclipse in the first episode was what gave them powers. Except they seemingly forgot that the first season had an episode set months before the first episode where they already had powers anyway.
I know it gets so dumb near the end but it's still one of my favorite tv shows. I used to have the collectors editions of each season on dvd back in the day.
Watched whole show on air. It's so strange how awesome it is and how much it lacks. It's like it trails you along, making you think it's going to get better... the atmosphere tricks you the entire time. I enjoyed it. And I wanted more. I was very said when *spoiler* dies and how they went into final season, but I loved it.
One huge mistake they made with Heroes was to reverse direction on not having sacred characters. When the show began no character was safe from being killed off, but unfortunately Hayden, Milo, and Zachary became so popular they reversed course. This was a huge mistake. There was no suspense knowing the show was no longer willing to truly kill off a character. The network chose to appease the type of fan who can't live without their favorites at the expense of the show.
The motto 'Save the cheerleader , save the world' was cool. 1st 4 episodes 3xplored who was super powered and were good. Biggest mistake was focusing on Silar. Loved Hiro and his buddy.
He means Sylar was better as lurking big bad/boogieman style villain. The show gave you too much of him down the line, making him less interesting . @chad63
Note: A huge plot hole with the eclipses is that in the show, they're visible and darken the sky all over the world. That's not how real solar eclipses work; they cover a relatively tiny area of the planet with shadow very briefly. No solar eclipse on modern Earth would darken the entire planet.
I saw this when it aired and I watched it all, even the reboot fiasco. One thing they did that was fun was an interactive element. During each episode premiere, you would go to the site on your phone and it would have polls, behind the scenes information, plot hints, character backstories, stuff like that. Sometimes it would ask the audience to guess what would happen next and you'd get to see whether or not everyone was right. TV shows using the internet to get the audience to participate were so innovative during this time period. Lost was another one that really tried to be multimedia before social media was really a thing.
I’m sorry, to everyone who is reading this comment, and who may read it in the future… I still, unironically, unashamedly, unabashedly and unconditionally *LOVE* both _'Heroes'_ and _'Heroes: Reborn'._ 🤷🏻♀️
I'm a completionist, when i start watching something, I have to watch it to the end. Heroes, by the end of the first season proved that it had no direction or plan. Everything about it was pointless. It was so bad, that it managed to break my completionist instincts. I was never able to finish this. I had such high hopes and it would be easy to make it an amazing show by better planning and interweaving the plots but no, it was like each episode writer was just told to continue the previous episode, with no other direction
Thank you for this video. Heroes is my all time favorite TV show because it felt like our story as opposed to X-Men with "mutations" like Beast or Toad...Heroes made it personal and relatable to anyone who ever felt like an outcast. None the less, it's my favorite for the way it made me feel about my real life. Thank you again for this guide; executed perfectly.
They wrote themselves into a corner it happens way more often than you would think and kills probably over fifty percent of franchises movies and tv shows
FYI NBC was broadcast tv and not cable. My friends and I loved the first season so much we would have monday night watch parties every week (not something I'd never done before or since).
I stopped watching Heroes because of Silar. He was a great villain, until he became a heroe...then a long lost brother, then NOT a long lost brother, and back to a villain. Also, fuck Peter for leaving Caitlin in the future and forgetting about her like the next episode.
Caitlin being forgotten was the exact reason I stopped watching the show when it was originally airing. It made no sense that Peter would do that and showed to me I was wasting my time trying to keep track of plot threads.
Ali Larter being a triplet was my red flag that the show has jumped the shark. And this isn't some "Hindsight is 20/20" thing, even back then when I really loved the show, the triplet thing had me concerned if the writers really had a plan.
I watched the whole thing. I was obsessed, watched all the commentary, extra stuff online, got the comics. To this day, I only have seasons 1 and 2 on DVD. Everything else was worthless. Fun fact, in the huge DVD wall in Leave the World Behind, they also only have the first two seasons of Heroes.
I owned this on dvd, i was... 17 in college, and i loved the show. I watched it all, i wasnt a critical tv consumer... ive never rewatched it, never will... but it has a special place in my heart
Having thoroughly enjoyed season 1, I bounced after the mess that was season 2, and have heard nothing of the following seasons (other than they weren't good) till I watched your video. I 100% made the correct decision.
Love the video, but there is one thing to address; Peter had his original empathic mimicry powers taken away by his dad (because it was wayyy too op), and he got them back when taking one of the last remaining vials of the serum before Arthur’s building blew up. That’s why his new powers are slightly different. Edit: Hiro got his powers back because of Parkman jr. Which means that Arthur is taking the powers away, but since they’re genetic, if an outside force can kickstart the gene again, you’re all good.
I loved the show when it first started, and watched until like half-way through the season with the carnival. Then I tried rewatching years later, and stopped watching on the exact same episode. I have actually been meaning to rewatch it lately since I found the spin-off comics I bought a couple years ago.
Great analysis of this show! If you really want a challenge try to make sense of Twin Peaks. I rewatch once a year and I still can't figure it out. Not only do I not understand some of the things that literally happen, I don't even understand what the metaphorical intent is behind it. Like literally what is David Lynch trying to say artistically? And I know I'm not the only person confused on that one. Heroes, at least you can figure out most of it if you pay attention. But I never noticed how much unexplained stuff they did ,how many plotlines just get dropped until I saw your work. Great job!
I binged the whole show on Netflix years ago. Season 4 was really hard for me to get through. Season 1 is still amazing. I only saw 1 episode of Heroes Reborn and that was it. I've seen videos of what happened in Reborn and I am glad I gave up on it.
I watched the whole thing live. A major complaint at the time was that it always blew its budget early in a season and left nothing for season climaxes.
The Nathan and Peter goodbye seen got me the worst. When they are hanging of the building and Nathan is about to be lost to Syler taking his body and mind back. Their relationship reminded me of my brother and I balled like a baby. 😂😂
The saying save the cheer leader save the world is so iconic yet vague, that it can even be connected to heroes reborn if you think about it.. Cause Claire did give birth to those 2 kids that later saved the entire world 😂
I never got into the expanded universe, but after the summary of everything, I realize I really *did* watch all of the show, even Reborn! I had my timeline meeega messed up, though. For some reason, I thought that the circus guy storyline in season five happened in the middle of the show (and due to my family watching a lot of medical serials, I thought that the soundsight lady was also somehow part of House or maybe Grey’s Anatomy but with hallucinations as some sort of crossover/Easter egg. Ah, the mind of a child and the bullshit it’ll make up), and I thought Sylar remembered his identity and took his anger out on everyone/went back to being a villain. Honestly, that probably would’ve made more sense. If I were Sylar, I would be absolutely PISSSED! Thank you for cataloguing the whole lovely mess that is this show! It’s so awesome to see my scattered memories be threaded together again, and it’s even cooler to learn about stuff like the ARG that I’d never known existed
I am enjoying your various mystery box show recaps, thank you for all the effort and care you put into them. I'd love to see you cover Detionaire, another animated mystery box show.
FINALLY a video talking about the lore of the show! Every time I look up vids on Heroes ppl ALWAYS talk about "how it got bad. Why it got bad. What happened to the show? There was so much missed potential" etc.
This is the worst thing that can happen to show, worse than cancellation. When a good show gets cancelled, fans can fill in the gaps. This just turned into melted ice cream.
You're serious? It would likely be just as contrived with a bunch of shoe-horned narratives of "the message" and garbage avengers style tension breaking humor, just to get canceled after season one. Besides, people are tired of super hero crap. Just my opinion of course. Cheers!
I watched all the way through volume 5, when they did the impossible, Claire dying, I dropped it. You got Nikki wrong but other than that pretty spot on.
I actually got the complete series box set years ago. I loved the first season but I definitely felt the decline and it was definitely a fun ride until that very last season. I actually forgot that heroes reborn came out. I definitely kind of want to watch it even though it sounds bad.
Great analysis! Yeah, I loved season one of Heroes. Season two started OK, but I didn't like that it started a storyline and then stopped it without resolution.
I still think season 2 is the last season to the show. It had enough closure for me at the end of season 2 and enough play that I could imagine what I think could happen next.
This show had so much potential. The original no name superhero property that was popular in TV or Movies. Before Invincible, the Boys, Guardians of the Galaxy we had Heroes and the first season was awesome! Second was good and then it lost it's powers and fell off a cliff never to be good again.
The times were different. The most advanced thing about tv was Tivo. we used to have to wait a full week to watch it made the show last longer than streaming. I loved and still love Heros.
I watched the show when it came out and followed all the way to the end and it really ended in a fart. There was lots of potential from this show but as the seasons went on, the steam really came to a screeching halt between seasons 2-3 and by the ending where they stop a massive earthquake powered guy from destroying everything and all of them being outed as powered people.
Funny how Hero Academia more or less took plots/characters from this show. As soon as you said Arthur was trying to make it so he could take and give powers, I immediately thought of the villain from Academia.
Idk if it was just the phase I was in at the time but Heroes Reborn reminded me so much of the Assassins Creed Isu lore. Also I first watched back when Netflix still had different seasons under different search results
Not sure if I finished the sequel series, I might have dropped off fairly shortly into it, but I guess I did watch all the OG and enjoyed it, but it doesn’t feel like it was complete. Great video covering the story
this was the X-Men TVseries we could only dream of, and sometimes it felt even better than X-Men. Now I just role my eyes everytime I see a new show about what if mutants were real
36:25 Okay there’s an explanation for this. The power absorption is only one power at a time. The reason Arthur could absorb multiple is because Peter had multiple powers you see that in the pulses that are released. Tommy says he lost healing for time travel. The reason his time travel at first appeared different was because of mental blocks it’s why later he learned to not just mimic Hiros abilities but additionally may two different time phantom’s of himself. 37:41 We don’t need to infer she learns to do it in season 2
I watched the first season when it came out (in my middle school years??) and loved it so much! It left such an impression that every time I see an actor from that show I do the Leo DiCaprio point and am willing to watch more Even tho I only watched the first season 😅
I’m pretty sure Peter got his powers back in volume 3 because he took the formula as the Pinehearst building was going up in flames in order to absorb Nathan’s powers and escape with him. The formula returned his powers though nerfed because the writers wrote Peter into a corner
The first season was the best, but I think people forget that during the first season there was a writer's strike that happened so the second season had like half the episodes.. They had new writers so it went off the rails during season 3 and 4. What's funny about this video is that they are announcing another Heroes show, and I'm not sure if I want to watch it due to how much of a fumble this show was. But no lie when this did come out people got really hooked into it.. I was one of them, and definitely had watch parties and read the comics. Man this show had so much potential smmfh.
Tbh this show has exactly the kind of plot points that happen in actual comics. I think people disliked it because most people aren’t into comics. I loved all the goofy outlandish plot points because it’s pretty run of the mill stuff when you have a world of super heroes and have to keep that world going but also somehow keep changing things up
That's a truly brilliant observation. For instance, imagine if DC Comics was a TV or movie series and then Identity Crisis or Heroes in Crisis happens... the masses would (rightfully) revolt while us comic nerds *do* get irritated but know with patience they'll undo the dumb stories and pretend they never happened.
That's why I love this show. It's literally like a comic🤟🏻Does the writing get weak? I've heard that. I'm on Season 1 still going through the show. But I love it already😂😂.
Linderman failed to realize that tragedy alone doesn't unite people, but a person to blame the tragedy on. Hell, if you have a good bogeyman, then you don't even need a tragedy because their hype will make people want to prevent anything from happening. Cool that there's a story where the villain tries uniting the world and just makes things worse, since the only examples I can think of imply the villains get exactly what they aimed for. I remember trying this show back in the day but failing to keep up with it. After hearing this video, I lament that and wonder if this show can still be found anywhere. Each season being a different storyline without forgetting the past is a novel idea these days and sounds cool.
That first season was one of the greatest superhero epics of all time, especially given that it wasn't based on a comic or any other preexisting material. It was also one of the last network series to get truly massive ratings, averaging over 14 million viewers per episode. And then things slowly went off the rails. They weren't prepared for the show to become a phenomenon and made poor decisions while trying to adapt to the situation. The writer's strike wasn't the fatal blow but it was certainly a contributing factor. I did indeed watch the show till the end, even when it seemed that they were just making stuff up(like Mohinder's bad ripoff of The Fly)with no plan at all. Even as it went downhill it still had its moments though. Btw Heroes is in the process of being rebooted yet again with Kring at the helm so let's see how that goes
I always found Sylar's power acquisition the most interesting thing about the show. Since we know that abilities deal with the brain, since Sylar always had to open someone's head and any immortal's healing stops when the brain is punctured or even when Claire didn't start healing until after Sylar put the top of her skull back on, I always saw Sylar's ability as rewiring his own brain to gain the power he learned. Another reason I think this is because when Sylar learned how to passively copy abilities, like Peter, he didn't have the control that he'd normally have, like when Peter couldn't control the nuking power but we see Sylar playing with it right after he killed Ted. If I'm not mistaken, I think Sylar said something about him and Claire being the only people left after a while, knowing Peter had similar powers to his. Might have just been during the time he wanted to kill Peter though, so it might not have meant that he knew that the specific immortality they had was different. Rene, who blocks people's powers, began to get a nose bleed when trying to hold back Arthur, who was way stronger and trying to force his abilities to work, so I'm guessing even power negation just affects the brain.
I remember hearing about this show back when it first aired on tv. I always wanted to get into it, but ten minutes into the video and I'm sooo confused. Turns out I didn't miss anything.
Unfortunately, Doomsday Clock would later say Ozy WAS right and since Linderman probably had some access to the future, he may have seen that story too and considered it a no-brainer.
Maybe another interesting tidbit: Tim Kring announced a sequel show Heroes: Eclipsed (which he announced during the eclipse.) Its going to be very interesting imo to see how it will handle the whole superhero thing given that we now live in a pots MCU era. The original show played it mostly straight. "We have to save the world!" Without a hint of irony or quibs. Now it seems that there cant be a live action superhero thing without irony and quibs. Dont get me wrong, I like the MCU. But all those quibs and sarcastic comments from the characters do get annoying at some point. Especially since its seeping into other movies and shows as well. I found Heroes surpisingly refreshing in that regard when I first watched it a few months ago. So I'm interested to see if the new show leans more into the ironic side or still plays it straight.
I would like to say that the plot line of the woman putting the hit out on Nathan was settled. She did it because; she probably suspected he had something to do with it all those years and she finally got confirmation, and wanted revenge.
I don't remember if my wife and I and her sister watched every season but we did watch what we could and loved it we even had the first 2 seasons on DVD or maybe just season 1
Peter lost his powers when his dad took them. He gets a version of them when he took the serum to save Nathan when the building was blowing up in the end of season 2
A few corrections/add-ons I’d like to make:
-Peter got his powers back because he injected himself with the power-giving serum. I totally missed that on a rewatch, my bad.
-I didn’t mean to imply that streaming existed in 2006. What I was trying to point out was that this was a transition period between old school cable and streaming. Entire shows were easier to watch in order through things like video on demand, dvr, dvd box sets, and buying episodes on itunes. This is one reason why more serialized shows were successful at this time.
-Tim Kring announced a revival series in April called Heroes Eclipsed. The video was already done by the time I heard about it, otherwise I would have mentioned it.
Also i think you might’ve missed the heroes video game
Why do you keep saying old school cable? This was on NBC. NBC is a broadcast television channel. Even to this day you can just put an antenna up and watch it.
I’m starting to realize that I don’t know the difference between network and cable tv. Growing up, I had a ‘cable box’ and I referred to anything I watched on it as ‘cable tv.’ I’ve also always heard ‘streaming’ and ‘cable’ described as the two opposing ways to watch tv in the modern day. I never knew that ‘network’ tv was its own distinct thing before all these comments started correcting me.
"On demand" was a thing that Comcast offered back then where you could rewatch tv and movies.
@@MahkyVmedia1 Yep as a backlog cable package
"heroes reborn? there was a reboot of heroes? How did I never hear about this?"
> The first thing it does is kill off claire offscreen
"oh. Nevermind."
You didn't miss much, it wasn't good. A few of the original actors came back but it felt like they pretty much came back for a paycheck (especially considering others left for better things like Claire and Sylar's actors). Most of the new characters were meh and the overall story was grasping for straws.
@@tedturtle5032Exactly why I stopped, got a few episodes into the sequel and just couldn't tango with what I was given.
The webisodes leading up to its release were better than the actual show.
That's the best decision it could make though lol.
It does more then that, it makes her a central character so it feels like a giant piece is missing. If they couldn't get the actress back they should have given the role to some other character.
Nobody knew what streaming was when this show came out. My roommate and I got DVDs through Netflix through the mail.
that's how my family did it, and Lost
rip dvd netflix
Showing my gen z roomate the vlassic 2000s tv shows. Dexter, heros etc and she asked me why they have a 1 minute recap of the story at the start of every episode and i said we werent uaed to continuous stories yet. 😂
Not true - maybe not for the first season but you could watch heroes episodes online iirc, and definitely through dvr and next day on demand through a cable box.
@@matthewhowell7335 They didn’t call that streaming they called it “on demand.” That’s not streaming and that term wasn’t even used yet.
that was the original plan for the HEROES show as each season(Volume) was supposed to be self-contained but connected to the overall world of HEROES, but the season 1(Volume 1) cast became really popular and NBC didn't think that introducing a new cast every season(Volume) would be good for the show.
It's funny how Ryan Murphy was able to do that with American Horror Story and it worked
@@ShadowSonic2 it wasn't that the Showrunner couldn't do it I think that it was mostly NBC/Universal not having faith in the showrunner to do it
to be fair its really hard to pull off correctly. Look at how badly Altered Carbon flopped during its second season.
@@ShadowSonic2 its not very easy. "American Horror Story" was a different genre. Heroes was an international superhit with characters/actors from around the world. It gained a massive fan following.
also season 2 heroes did introduce some new characters but they were all flop.
When Heroes first came out I downloaded 6 min long pieces of new episodes (8 videos per episode) at my work computer with a high speed Internet. Put them into a USB go home and watch it with my GF. When Hiro's timeline was revealed, I thought it was the coolest scene I have ever seen. I was 23. Great video! Thanks for putting it together!
That does not change the fact that we are all idiots to watch the entire series at least twice over :))
I'm pretty sure Peter took the serum in order to get abilities again. So that would explain a difference in powers but it always confused me that he just got a watered down version of what he already had.
Damn dude I’m sorry I couldn’t even finish watching ur recap video 😅
I like to believe that he had his ability for years before he realized it, so his ability was able to evolve to what it was. Eventually it would evolve back. Not canon I know but I like to believe it.
It's really weird why Peter got a watered down version of his ability because the "Formula" was presented as a perfect well, formula to give abilities because Mohinder got it wrong and started to have a hideous mutation as a result but when he took the perfect formula it got rid of the mutation but he still had his enhanced Strength, agility and durability.
@@fastvalkary725 i agree completely. I feel like he either should have gotten back the same power or another completely different one.
@@spyderbite8723 Yeah, that could make some sense considering that he seemed to have absorbed the dream walking version of telepathy from Charles Deveaux without realising. Though he didn't get his mother's powers until later in the show.
The eclipse was annoying because when it took the powers away, they strongly implied that the eclipse in the first episode was what gave them powers. Except they seemingly forgot that the first season had an episode set months before the first episode where they already had powers anyway.
I know it gets so dumb near the end but it's still one of my favorite tv shows. I used to have the collectors editions of each season on dvd back in the day.
Watched whole show on air.
It's so strange how awesome it is and how much it lacks. It's like it trails you along, making you think it's going to get better... the atmosphere tricks you the entire time.
I enjoyed it. And I wanted more. I was very said when *spoiler* dies and how they went into final season, but I loved it.
One huge mistake they made with Heroes was to reverse direction on not having sacred characters. When the show began no character was safe from being killed off, but unfortunately Hayden, Milo, and Zachary became so popular they reversed course. This was a huge mistake. There was no suspense knowing the show was no longer willing to truly kill off a character. The network chose to appease the type of fan who can't live without their favorites at the expense of the show.
The motto 'Save the cheerleader , save the world' was cool. 1st 4 episodes 3xplored who was super powered and were good. Biggest mistake was focusing on Silar. Loved Hiro and his buddy.
what you mean? sylar made the show good. defo one of the menacing villains in tv
He means Sylar was better as lurking big bad/boogieman style villain. The show gave you too much of him down the line, making him less interesting . @chad63
Definitely wasn't cool. It was corny af
Correct. The show got HIGHLY ANNOYING once they focused on him too much. He should have been a 2 season character max
Zachary Quinto was awesome though
Note: A huge plot hole with the eclipses is that in the show, they're visible and darken the sky all over the world. That's not how real solar eclipses work; they cover a relatively tiny area of the planet with shadow very briefly. No solar eclipse on modern Earth would darken the entire planet.
I saw this when it aired and I watched it all, even the reboot fiasco. One thing they did that was fun was an interactive element. During each episode premiere, you would go to the site on your phone and it would have polls, behind the scenes information, plot hints, character backstories, stuff like that. Sometimes it would ask the audience to guess what would happen next and you'd get to see whether or not everyone was right. TV shows using the internet to get the audience to participate were so innovative during this time period. Lost was another one that really tried to be multimedia before social media was really a thing.
I’m sorry, to everyone who is reading this comment, and who may read it in the future…
I still, unironically, unashamedly, unabashedly and unconditionally *LOVE* both _'Heroes'_ and _'Heroes: Reborn'._ 🤷🏻♀️
I have seen the whole series and the reboot series multiple times... I loved it despite the clear setbacks
I'm a completionist, when i start watching something, I have to watch it to the end. Heroes, by the end of the first season proved that it had no direction or plan. Everything about it was pointless. It was so bad, that it managed to break my completionist instincts. I was never able to finish this. I had such high hopes and it would be easy to make it an amazing show by better planning and interweaving the plots but no, it was like each episode writer was just told to continue the previous episode, with no other direction
Thank you for this video. Heroes is my all time favorite TV show because it felt like our story as opposed to X-Men with "mutations" like Beast or Toad...Heroes made it personal and relatable to anyone who ever felt like an outcast. None the less, it's my favorite for the way it made me feel about my real life. Thank you again for this guide; executed perfectly.
Peter gained his “new” power when he takes the formula at the end of that season. It gives him a muted version of his original power.
love how your tangential format kinda matches the chaos of the show's plot progression
The writing got worse with each season.
The writing got worse each episode.
They wrote themselves into a corner it happens way more often than you would think and kills probably over fifty percent of franchises movies and tv shows
Agree
After season 3 everything went side ways but I stuck with it because of the character arcs
It pissed 8-13 years old with me off with every season. Until i eventually gave up on the show.
Great retrospective. I’m not sure I even made it to season 3 when it aired live, so I appreciate your summarizing
I used to be obsessed with this show
FYI NBC was broadcast tv and not cable. My friends and I loved the first season so much we would have monday night watch parties every week (not something I'd never done before or since).
I stopped watching Heroes because of Silar. He was a great villain, until he became a heroe...then a long lost brother, then NOT a long lost brother, and back to a villain.
Also, fuck Peter for leaving Caitlin in the future and forgetting about her like the next episode.
Agreed IDIOTIC writing
Caitlin being forgotten was the exact reason I stopped watching the show when it was originally airing. It made no sense that Peter would do that and showed to me I was wasting my time trying to keep track of plot threads.
Ali Larter being a triplet was my red flag that the show has jumped the shark. And this isn't some "Hindsight is 20/20" thing, even back then when I really loved the show, the triplet thing had me concerned if the writers really had a plan.
I watched the whole thing. I was obsessed, watched all the commentary, extra stuff online, got the comics.
To this day, I only have seasons 1 and 2 on DVD. Everything else was worthless.
Fun fact, in the huge DVD wall in Leave the World Behind, they also only have the first two seasons of Heroes.
I watched Heroes to the end! i loved it!!!!
You deserve a lot more views for this quality of content! Keep pushing man you are going to blow up.
1st season is masterpiece
I owned this on dvd, i was... 17 in college, and i loved the show. I watched it all, i wasnt a critical tv consumer... ive never rewatched it, never will... but it has a special place in my heart
Having thoroughly enjoyed season 1, I bounced after the mess that was season 2, and have heard nothing of the following seasons (other than they weren't good) till I watched your video.
I 100% made the correct decision.
Just because!!! great work at putting this together… thank you so much
Wow. This was incredibly thorough. Good work.
Love the video, but there is one thing to address; Peter had his original empathic mimicry powers taken away by his dad (because it was wayyy too op), and he got them back when taking one of the last remaining vials of the serum before Arthur’s building blew up. That’s why his new powers are slightly different.
Edit: Hiro got his powers back because of Parkman jr. Which means that Arthur is taking the powers away, but since they’re genetic, if an outside force can kickstart the gene again, you’re all good.
I saw the whole show, and I was bummed out when it ended without tying up loose ends.
I loved the show when it first started, and watched until like half-way through the season with the carnival. Then I tried rewatching years later, and stopped watching on the exact same episode. I have actually been meaning to rewatch it lately since I found the spin-off comics I bought a couple years ago.
Great analysis of this show! If you really want a challenge try to make sense of Twin Peaks. I rewatch once a year and I still can't figure it out. Not only do I not understand some of the things that literally happen, I don't even understand what the metaphorical intent is behind it. Like literally what is David Lynch trying to say artistically? And I know I'm not the only person confused on that one. Heroes, at least you can figure out most of it if you pay attention. But I never noticed how much unexplained stuff they did ,how many plotlines just get dropped until I saw your work. Great job!
Season 1 is a great season of television watching weekly.
Love the video🔥 as soon as you started talking about season three my mind went out the window. I was so lost😭😭😭😭
I binged the whole show on Netflix years ago. Season 4 was really hard for me to get through. Season 1 is still amazing. I only saw 1 episode of Heroes Reborn and that was it. I've seen videos of what happened in Reborn and I am glad I gave up on it.
I watched the whole thing live. A major complaint at the time was that it always blew its budget early in a season and left nothing for season climaxes.
The Nathan and Peter goodbye seen got me the worst. When they are hanging of the building and Nathan is about to be lost to Syler taking his body and mind back. Their relationship reminded me of my brother and I balled like a baby. 😂😂
The saying save the cheer leader save the world is so iconic yet vague, that it can even be connected to heroes reborn if you think about it.. Cause Claire did give birth to those 2 kids that later saved the entire world 😂
I never got into the expanded universe, but after the summary of everything, I realize I really *did* watch all of the show, even Reborn! I had my timeline meeega messed up, though. For some reason, I thought that the circus guy storyline in season five happened in the middle of the show (and due to my family watching a lot of medical serials, I thought that the soundsight lady was also somehow part of House or maybe Grey’s Anatomy but with hallucinations as some sort of crossover/Easter egg. Ah, the mind of a child and the bullshit it’ll make up), and I thought Sylar remembered his identity and took his anger out on everyone/went back to being a villain. Honestly, that probably would’ve made more sense. If I were Sylar, I would be absolutely PISSSED!
Thank you for cataloguing the whole lovely mess that is this show! It’s so awesome to see my scattered memories be threaded together again, and it’s even cooler to learn about stuff like the ARG that I’d never known existed
I've stopped watching o half of season three.
Just got fed up.
Good to see your work saved me time.
Good I made the right decision back than
Man i really needed this 8 years ago😂
😂😂 same..
I watched it all as a tween. I had garbage taste to begin with. And Hayden P was the only reason I cared. And Syler.
I watched the ENTIRE series run❤
I watched the whole show and was disappointed it never finished
I am enjoying your various mystery box show recaps, thank you for all the effort and care you put into them. I'd love to see you cover Detionaire, another animated mystery box show.
FINALLY a video talking about the lore of the show! Every time I look up vids on Heroes ppl ALWAYS talk about "how it got bad. Why it got bad. What happened to the show? There was so much missed potential" etc.
Saw the whole show... and sure, it went off the rails but I STILL enjoyed it!
This is the worst thing that can happen to show, worse than cancellation. When a good show gets cancelled, fans can fill in the gaps. This just turned into melted ice cream.
I think we can reboot this series with the great writers we have now.
You're serious? It would likely be just as contrived with a bunch of shoe-horned narratives of "the message" and garbage avengers style tension breaking humor, just to get canceled after season one.
Besides, people are tired of super hero crap.
Just my opinion of course. Cheers!
I'd love to see Jonathan Majors come back as a character in a Heroes reboot.
I watched every episode live desperately hoping it would go back to its former glory
I watched all the way through volume 5, when they did the impossible, Claire dying, I dropped it. You got Nikki wrong but other than that pretty spot on.
Hana Gittlemans story is fully fleshed out in the comics. The comics are basically what was happening behind the scenes and in-between episodes.
I actually got the complete series box set years ago. I loved the first season but I definitely felt the decline and it was definitely a fun ride until that very last season.
I actually forgot that heroes reborn came out. I definitely kind of want to watch it even though it sounds bad.
Great analysis! Yeah, I loved season one of Heroes. Season two started OK, but I didn't like that it started a storyline and then stopped it without resolution.
I still think season 2 is the last season to the show. It had enough closure for me at the end of season 2 and enough play that I could imagine what I think could happen next.
I watched the whole show start to finish. You're right season one was the best.
This show had so much potential. The original no name superhero property that was popular in TV or Movies. Before Invincible, the Boys, Guardians of the Galaxy we had Heroes and the first season was awesome! Second was good and then it lost it's powers and fell off a cliff never to be good again.
The times were different. The most advanced thing about tv was Tivo. we used to have to wait a full week to watch it made the show last longer than streaming. I loved and still love Heros.
Thank you for this.
I watched the whole series plus the Heroes Reborn that came out a few years later. I had hoped it would continue because i actually enjoyed it.
Heroes had one season and that was it.
(I watched all of it, saw the webisodes ,did the arg, and read the comics)
One of the best shows ever and one of the most mishandled ever as well...
I've seen all seasons. But I barely remember anything after the first season. 😅 -"Save the cheerleader! Save the world!" ❤
I watched the show when it came out and followed all the way to the end and it really ended in a fart. There was lots of potential from this show but as the seasons went on, the steam really came to a screeching halt between seasons 2-3 and by the ending where they stop a massive earthquake powered guy from destroying everything and all of them being outed as powered people.
Funny how Hero Academia more or less took plots/characters from this show. As soon as you said Arthur was trying to make it so he could take and give powers, I immediately thought of the villain from Academia.
Idk if it was just the phase I was in at the time but Heroes Reborn reminded me so much of the Assassins Creed Isu lore. Also I first watched back when Netflix still had different seasons under different search results
Not sure if I finished the sequel series, I might have dropped off fairly shortly into it, but I guess I did watch all the OG and enjoyed it, but it doesn’t feel like it was complete. Great video covering the story
this was the X-Men TVseries we could only dream of, and sometimes it felt even better than X-Men. Now I just role my eyes everytime I see a new show about what if mutants were real
36:25 Okay there’s an explanation for this. The power absorption is only one power at a time. The reason Arthur could absorb multiple is because Peter had multiple powers you see that in the pulses that are released. Tommy says he lost healing for time travel. The reason his time travel at first appeared different was because of mental blocks it’s why later he learned to not just mimic Hiros abilities but additionally may two different time phantom’s of himself. 37:41 We don’t need to infer she learns to do it in season 2
I watched the first season when it came out (in my middle school years??) and loved it so much! It left such an impression that every time I see an actor from that show I do the Leo DiCaprio point and am willing to watch more
Even tho I only watched the first season 😅
I love heroes and watched every episode since day one including the one offs and the re release.
I was so hype for evil Claire only for them to completely undo it after 1 episode
I’m pretty sure Peter got his powers back in volume 3 because he took the formula as the Pinehearst building was going up in flames in order to absorb Nathan’s powers and escape with him. The formula returned his powers though nerfed because the writers wrote Peter into a corner
The first season was the best, but I think people forget that during the first season there was a writer's strike that happened so the second season had like half the episodes.. They had new writers so it went off the rails during season 3 and 4. What's funny about this video is that they are announcing another Heroes show, and I'm not sure if I want to watch it due to how much of a fumble this show was.
But no lie when this did come out people got really hooked into it.. I was one of them, and definitely had watch parties and read the comics. Man this show had so much potential smmfh.
Tbh this show has exactly the kind of plot points that happen in actual comics. I think people disliked it because most people aren’t into comics.
I loved all the goofy outlandish plot points because it’s pretty run of the mill stuff when you have a world of super heroes and have to keep that world going but also somehow keep changing things up
That's a truly brilliant observation. For instance, imagine if DC Comics was a TV or movie series and then Identity Crisis or Heroes in Crisis happens... the masses would (rightfully) revolt while us comic nerds *do* get irritated but know with patience they'll undo the dumb stories and pretend they never happened.
That's why I love this show. It's literally like a comic🤟🏻Does the writing get weak? I've heard that. I'm on Season 1 still going through the show. But I love it already😂😂.
Linderman failed to realize that tragedy alone doesn't unite people, but a person to blame the tragedy on. Hell, if you have a good bogeyman, then you don't even need a tragedy because their hype will make people want to prevent anything from happening. Cool that there's a story where the villain tries uniting the world and just makes things worse, since the only examples I can think of imply the villains get exactly what they aimed for.
I remember trying this show back in the day but failing to keep up with it. After hearing this video, I lament that and wonder if this show can still be found anywhere. Each season being a different storyline without forgetting the past is a novel idea these days and sounds cool.
That first season was one of the greatest superhero epics of all time, especially given that it wasn't based on a comic or any other preexisting material. It was also one of the last network series to get truly massive ratings, averaging over 14 million viewers per episode. And then things slowly went off the rails. They weren't prepared for the show to become a phenomenon and made poor decisions while trying to adapt to the situation. The writer's strike wasn't the fatal blow but it was certainly a contributing factor. I did indeed watch the show till the end, even when it seemed that they were just making stuff up(like Mohinder's bad ripoff of The Fly)with no plan at all. Even as it went downhill it still had its moments though. Btw Heroes is in the process of being rebooted yet again with Kring at the helm so let's see how that goes
I was COMMITTED to this show. When this went off the air I stopped watching network tv shows as a primary entertainment option
I always found Sylar's power acquisition the most interesting thing about the show. Since we know that abilities deal with the brain, since Sylar always had to open someone's head and any immortal's healing stops when the brain is punctured or even when Claire didn't start healing until after Sylar put the top of her skull back on, I always saw Sylar's ability as rewiring his own brain to gain the power he learned. Another reason I think this is because when Sylar learned how to passively copy abilities, like Peter, he didn't have the control that he'd normally have, like when Peter couldn't control the nuking power but we see Sylar playing with it right after he killed Ted. If I'm not mistaken, I think Sylar said something about him and Claire being the only people left after a while, knowing Peter had similar powers to his. Might have just been during the time he wanted to kill Peter though, so it might not have meant that he knew that the specific immortality they had was different. Rene, who blocks people's powers, began to get a nose bleed when trying to hold back Arthur, who was way stronger and trying to force his abilities to work, so I'm guessing even power negation just affects the brain.
I remember hearing about this show back when it first aired on tv. I always wanted to get into it, but ten minutes into the video and I'm sooo confused. Turns out I didn't miss anything.
Lindermen clearly read The Watchmen and thought Ozimandius was right lol
Unfortunately, Doomsday Clock would later say Ozy WAS right and since Linderman probably had some access to the future, he may have seen that story too and considered it a no-brainer.
Loved the first season, but then after that it went downhill. Didn't feel like they had a real direction after season 1.
Watched the whole original and reboot smh so much potential
Maybe another interesting tidbit: Tim Kring announced a sequel show Heroes: Eclipsed (which he announced during the eclipse.)
Its going to be very interesting imo to see how it will handle the whole superhero thing given that we now live in a pots MCU era.
The original show played it mostly straight. "We have to save the world!" Without a hint of irony or quibs. Now it seems that there cant be a live action superhero thing without irony and quibs. Dont get me wrong, I like the MCU. But all those quibs and sarcastic comments from the characters do get annoying at some point. Especially since its seeping into other movies and shows as well. I found Heroes surpisingly refreshing in that regard when I first watched it a few months ago. So I'm interested to see if the new show leans more into the ironic side or still plays it straight.
Save the cheerleader, save the world
That’s literally all I remember lol OH and the dude named Hero. He was dope!
Watched every episode, have it all on dvd and also watched the spinoff series. Loved every second
I watched it all the way through as it aired
If you can't tell, my pen name/online name was based on this show. Great times.
I'm not going to lie mate. I was lost the moment he started explaining the body switches LOL. And how many times x character died then came back.
I love this show so much man 😭
I would like to say that the plot line of the woman putting the hit out on Nathan was settled. She did it because; she probably suspected he had something to do with it all those years and she finally got confirmation, and wanted revenge.
Good Luck with your supernatural episode 👍
This nearly prepared me for the ultimate betrayal that was Game of Thrones
I don't remember if my wife and I and her sister watched every season but we did watch what we could and loved it we even had the first 2 seasons on DVD or maybe just season 1
You either die a Heroes Season One or live long enough to see yourself become the Heroes Season Four
Peter lost his powers when his dad took them. He gets a version of them when he took the serum to save Nathan when the building was blowing up in the end of season 2