Here are other options for the same operation - Acorn Audio's (excellent ) 'Acustica' editor ( no relation to the Italian company ) - acondigital.com/products/acoustica-audio-editor/ (try the demo - it's a function called 'remix' within the app and has some additional options - Also this website for pay as you go - www.lalal.ai/ ... Now from what I can see they all use an identical process as i tested RX against Acustica and they near enough identical in output and believe there is a freeware thing knocking around that also does it, but it's terribly tweaky - anyone who knows of this, let me know and I'll add here
Hi James! Absolutely love your tutorials. As a 14 year old electronic musician, your tutorials helped me get started programming drums. Your tutorials continue to inspire me to play every day. Thank you so much, have a great day.
@@F9Audio Thanks for the tip. I downloaded trials of both RX10 and RipX and found RipX superior for separation. I get the impression that RX10 is more of an audio clean-up tool with the stem isolation thrown in as an amazing bonus feature, whereas RipX is a dedicated stem separator and editor. As a bass player, I've always dreamed of sucking the bass out of Tower of Power or other old funk records so I can be the bass player, and RipX did a cleaner job and with less (as in, not any) top-end bleed. I'm also a DJ, so was pleased to hear that drum and vocal stems had less top-end warbling in RipX too. The world of tech you've just introduced me to is completely game-changing - HUGE thank you! Just bought RipX (it's usually an absolute steal at £79 but is on sale until April 11th for just £63. The price is as mind-blowing as the tech).
@@bassfacer1357 I'm so pleased ! .... I know Ripx Have really upped everything in the latest incarnations - I'll go and get it installed this end too and add to my comment on this of the Alt systems - Thank you so much for dropping back in on here and letting us now - it's exactly what the YT community aspect of production should be ... Have a great ( and productive ) rest of your weekend
As ever, this is fantastic knowledge. I saw this shortly after your excellent Kick overview (plan to use that in Logic, Ableton and my SP404 MK2), and I was curious to check this video out, as I've never used RX before. After this, I ended up getting the iZotope subscription. That RX looks mighty useful. Appreciate it, James!
you are a legend mate, i was so confused. i started looking for a "drum remover" itself, as i already had ozone and the music rebalance in that does not actually remove all the drums. thank you so much man, you will contribute to some amazing drum covers haha!
Hi, thanks for this video, its amazing. Izotop RX9 is not cheap so I wanted to know which flavor did you use for this video? I see that there 3 versions to consider, Elements, Standard or Advanced? Which one of these versions did you use to demonstrate on this video? I'm very interested in this software in doing exactly what you demonstrated on this video you posted. Thanks.
I honestly couldn't tell you the model but they are one of the Armani Brands - Very few glasses ever suit me so its always a bit of a bun-fight choosing any and these were ordered just out of lockdown after my 5 year old daughter went to work on the last pair - insurance added to these
Would be interested to see an updated version of this video, showing a) the better stem separation options available and b) a live disco track that isn't perfectly quantized. I say this as an RX9 owner who no longer uses RX9 for separation, as it's fallen way behind other options.
Why not make one Tim ? Always great to others workflow as it adds to the community - Ripx is spectacular now at this I must say .. there’s no major difference in the splitting quality between quantised and un-quantised - if anything unquantized versions of original tracks will be better as the artefacts of the quantise process won’t be so present but it really depends on the source more than timing - splitting from MP3/AAC never an ideal result .. I’d always suggest getting the source in time 1st though as dealing with multiple stems from a grid perspective is tricky depending on your DAW One thing I did find is Melodyne is amazing at getting things in time We don’t use external copyrights in our examples for obvious TH-cam reasons - the majors who have gobbled up huge swathes of Independant historical labels are immensely active on all video sites that share media now
@@regisjin I have to say Ripx is the one I would recommend at the moment - they placed a higher resolution version of the algorithm in the latest versions and it’s frankly amazing
Thank yo Dan - Just an update on this video - a friend told me about the updated mode in RIPX - it now beats every other systm hands down - so few artefacts it's like magic
I do a lot of remixes, for the non official I usually don't have the stems. I currently use RX7 for separation. Is there a lot of difference between that and the RX8/9?
Probably not - I went from RX5 to 8 so I can't really comment - from what I can gather this is an off-the-shelf algo as it's included in lots of other apps and even a web based solution so I reckon unless that gets updated it'll remain the same quality - A bit Like Z-plane's time-stretch
Great video but for those like myself that don't know how to get the original song into my DAW , I would of really benefited from a quick explanation 🙏
Hi Rick - Do you mean getting the track in time in your DAW ? .... Just getting a 2 track into a DAW can nearly always be done with Drag and Drop or using the the DAW's file browser, but timing ( in particular of older releases where tape machines or live playing is involved ) is a whole subject so will def be worth a video ... let me know which DAW you are using
@@F9Audio Thank you so much, I'm using Ableton Live 10. Im new to all this and I'd love to know how to import audio files from utube also if possible. Thanks again love your content 👌👍
@@MrRicksym Ableton's probably the easiest thanks to the warping engine ( and it's ability to auto-detect tempos ) .. I'll see what I can get going next week
@@F9Audio That would be great thank you. I've watched some utube videos on the subject. I need a program that converts video files into MP3 files but they all seem to want to charge me. Any advice would be greatly appreciated. Will look forward to more of your videos 👌👍
@@MrRicksym For working in ableton, you really want WAV or AIF files over MP3 - MP3's are decoded in Ableton so may as well start with the best going in no matter the source ... You can try Davinci resolve - It's a huge app but you can render out the audio of a video to 24 bit WAV in the "fairlight' page and the main render section - it's 100% free but a steep learning curve for even simple stuff as it's a fully featured video app
Ha Ha - funnily enough I've had a number of people email me and ask me what the LUT was as they liked it ! .. everyone see's things differently - that's a view I'm coming to accept in almost every area of life :)
Acon Digitals Acoustica does an even better job separating stems and it's much cheaper. The processing time is very fast compared to RX as well, usually under 10 seconds even for large files. Try the demo and A/B the results with RX, much cleaner
Hey James! Before I shell out on RX ;) how does music rebalance in RX compare with master rebalance in Ozone? I have Ozone 9 advanced already and haven’t yet tried RX, but do you think I can achieve the same results with master rebalance?
@@F9Audio thanks! Just tried Ozone 9 master rebalance and it actually works pretty well! I was maybe a little lazy asking here, but I just moved to the M1 Mac and have spent the last 2 days reinstalling and then fixing Komplete 13 ultimate and all my Kontakt libraries etc, so didn’t want to break anything by opening up Logic or Live while all that was going on 😂 I’ll definitely give RX standard a try as I appear to have a loyalty offer in my account until the 12th. Have a good weekend and thanks again!
Yes - That will fully seperate everything with some quite extreme digital artefacts on every stem - if you dont want everything totally separated, Just balance what you want to keep these to a minimum
the only thing i don't understand is why recommend having the track in time with the metronome? doing this before using RX, assuming one is editing an unquantized 70s disco song, implies actually warping the song first. is it not better to use the best quality possible (ie without time stretching) when using RX and if time stretching is necessary, to warp the track after using RX?
At the front I talk about having the track in time with your DAW first so do the warping with the beats in to get it in time, then all the resulting files will be on the right tempo map - you can drop them back in , put them in a "pro' stretch mode and they will all track tempo changes
@@F9Audio Cubase 12, I don't own or use Melodyne. I use VariAudio but for old tracks, I'll try to get the BPM as close as possible in decimal places first, for each section, then shift the sections accordingly. It depends if the slip in timing is due to musicians drift or a splice edit in the original tapes.
Time the track up perfectly on Logic first and make sure the audio starts exactly at a bar. Now double click on the audio Région and in the sample editor window ( select the ‘file’ tab ) select ‘Save selection as’ - place on the desktop and the process as shown in the video - you can then lace the results in exactly the same place as the original and should be locked
@@JakeLDS Great Question ... Now from what I can gather - all of this kind of processing comes from the same algorithm and it's either a piece of code that's licensable, or it's open-source ... given the number of services now using it ( and how aggressive some of the players like IZtope like to be ) my general feeling is it's the latter - I wouldn't be at all surprised if this was cooked up in some kind of university-based AI incubator and published as a paper ... The UIs for each are different, and the split options are slightly different but they all seem to be based on the same process and I've tested RX against Acorn Audio's Acustica editor and the results were near-on identical for one style of extraction -So basically - whatever floats your boat / suits your workflow and needs
@@F9Audio thanks so much for the detailed answer. I think for me then I'll probably use one of the pay as you go online apps like lalal and if I'm really getting down with the process and want to do lots more it may be worth spending a bit on the RX or similar, if anything just for the ease of use. This seems like a great way to fairly quickly get some ideas down when you're not able to actually play music like myself. It makes me think of the early days of House when people were just putting drum machines over Disco loops. 1984 etc
Here are other options for the same operation - Acorn Audio's (excellent ) 'Acustica' editor ( no relation to the Italian company ) - acondigital.com/products/acoustica-audio-editor/ (try the demo - it's a function called 'remix' within the app and has some additional options - Also this website for pay as you go - www.lalal.ai/ ... Now from what I can see they all use an identical process as i tested RX against Acustica and they near enough identical in output and believe there is a freeware thing knocking around that also does it, but it's terribly tweaky - anyone who knows of this, let me know and I'll add here
Hi James! Absolutely love your tutorials. As a 14 year old electronic musician, your tutorials helped me get started programming drums. Your tutorials continue to inspire me to play every day. Thank you so much, have a great day.
Keep being polite and articulated like this bro and you'll go a looong way!🥳
Great video
You said it perfectly… this is a absolutely a new era of sampling!
I watched this with my mouth hanging open. We are actually living in the future.
Bizarre isn't it ? - This is the 1st incarnation of the technology too .. RIPX are going quite a lot further, but the algo needs refining quite a bit
@@F9Audio Thanks for the tip. I downloaded trials of both RX10 and RipX and found RipX superior for separation. I get the impression that RX10 is more of an audio clean-up tool with the stem isolation thrown in as an amazing bonus feature, whereas RipX is a dedicated stem separator and editor. As a bass player, I've always dreamed of sucking the bass out of Tower of Power or other old funk records so I can be the bass player, and RipX did a cleaner job and with less (as in, not any) top-end bleed. I'm also a DJ, so was pleased to hear that drum and vocal stems had less top-end warbling in RipX too. The world of tech you've just introduced me to is completely game-changing - HUGE thank you! Just bought RipX (it's usually an absolute steal at £79 but is on sale until April 11th for just £63. The price is as mind-blowing as the tech).
@@bassfacer1357 I'm so pleased ! .... I know Ripx Have really upped everything in the latest incarnations - I'll go and get it installed this end too and add to my comment on this of the Alt systems - Thank you so much for dropping back in on here and letting us now - it's exactly what the YT community aspect of production should be ... Have a great ( and productive ) rest of your weekend
Good to see the uploads again F9!
WOW! AMAZING! I rememember sitting with an Atari and a Korg M1 in 1996 :-) We have come a long way:-)
As ever, this is fantastic knowledge. I saw this shortly after your excellent Kick overview (plan to use that in Logic, Ableton and my SP404 MK2), and I was curious to check this video out, as I've never used RX before. After this, I ended up getting the iZotope subscription. That RX looks mighty useful. Appreciate it, James!
Lovely stuff. Great share! Cheers, James :)
Stunning result. Thanks for sharing the method.
Yes Yes James!! Great to see you on YT again!! Tutorial master!! Will message you under my usual self ;)
the GOAT is back
you are a legend mate, i was so confused. i started looking for a "drum remover" itself, as i already had ozone and the music rebalance in that does not actually remove all the drums. thank you so much man, you will contribute to some amazing drum covers haha!
Hi, thanks for this video, its amazing. Izotop RX9 is not cheap so I wanted to know which flavor did you use for this video? I see that there 3 versions to consider, Elements, Standard or Advanced? Which one of these versions did you use to demonstrate on this video? I'm very interested in this software in doing exactly what you demonstrated on this video you posted. Thanks.
Awesome TH-cam clip, thanks!
Thank you !! - do check our comment here for alternatives - it’s even in Serato now I believe !
Disco beats 2 is amazing pack..I bought it tonite,and need more and more .als templates.
Hi James, good hints! A bit of topic but nice to know: what kind of glasses do you wear in the video (Label, model). I want to try them. Thx
I honestly couldn't tell you the model but they are one of the Armani Brands - Very few glasses ever suit me so its always a bit of a bun-fight choosing any and these were ordered just out of lockdown after my 5 year old daughter went to work on the last pair - insurance added to these
This was Amazing!
What!? Another pack!?!? When’s it out?
This week (fingers crossed )
That is pretty damm cool.
Thanks!
Would be interested to see an updated version of this video, showing a) the better stem separation options available and b) a live disco track that isn't perfectly quantized. I say this as an RX9 owner who no longer uses RX9 for separation, as it's fallen way behind other options.
Why not make one Tim ? Always great to others workflow as it adds to the community - Ripx is spectacular now at this I must say .. there’s no major difference in the splitting quality between quantised and un-quantised - if anything unquantized versions of original tracks will be better as the artefacts of the quantise process won’t be so present but it really depends on the source more than timing - splitting from MP3/AAC never an ideal result ..
I’d always suggest getting the source in time 1st though as dealing with multiple stems from a grid perspective is tricky depending on your DAW
One thing I did find is Melodyne is amazing at getting things in time
We don’t use external copyrights in our examples for obvious TH-cam reasons - the majors who have gobbled up huge swathes of Independant historical labels are immensely active on all video sites that share media now
What other options? genuinely interested! thanks ;)
@@regisjin I have to say Ripx is the one I would recommend at the moment - they placed a higher resolution version of the algorithm in the latest versions and it’s frankly amazing
Been wanting ti know how to do this thank you
I've since found that RIPX has the very best version of this algorythm ... The results are amazing - and much cheaper
This is gold !!!!!!!! Thank you so much
Glad you enjoyed it! ... Look out for the full brain dump about modern disco drums
dam good, had to subscribe 🙂
Thank yo Dan - Just an update on this video - a friend told me about the updated mode in RIPX - it now beats every other systm hands down - so few artefacts it's like magic
Amazing
I’ve heard rumours that Serato can do this now too - can anyone confirm ?
Great tutorial and amazing content.
James! Hope all is well, Yet another great nugget of knowledge from your good self. I found lalal to have decent result too, have you tried it yet?
I do a lot of remixes, for the non official I usually don't have the stems. I currently use RX7 for separation. Is there a lot of difference between that and the RX8/9?
Probably not - I went from RX5 to 8 so I can't really comment - from what I can gather this is an off-the-shelf algo as it's included in lots of other apps and even a web based solution so I reckon unless that gets updated it'll remain the same quality - A bit Like Z-plane's time-stretch
Fantastic.
wow, thanks for the videooo!!!!
GOLD
Magician ...Love it
Great video but for those like myself that don't know how to get the original song into my DAW , I would of really benefited from a quick explanation 🙏
Hi Rick - Do you mean getting the track in time in your DAW ? .... Just getting a 2 track into a DAW can nearly always be done with Drag and Drop or using the the DAW's file browser, but timing ( in particular of older releases where tape machines or live playing is involved ) is a whole subject so will def be worth a video ... let me know which DAW you are using
@@F9Audio Thank you so much, I'm using Ableton Live 10. Im new to all this and I'd love to know how to import audio files from utube also if possible. Thanks again love your content 👌👍
@@MrRicksym Ableton's probably the easiest thanks to the warping engine ( and it's ability to auto-detect tempos ) .. I'll see what I can get going next week
@@F9Audio That would be great thank you. I've watched some utube videos on the subject. I need a program that converts video files into MP3 files but they all seem to want to charge me. Any advice would be greatly appreciated. Will look forward to more of your videos 👌👍
@@MrRicksym For working in ableton, you really want WAV or AIF files over MP3 - MP3's are decoded in Ableton so may as well start with the best going in no matter the source ... You can try Davinci resolve - It's a huge app but you can render out the audio of a video to 24 bit WAV in the "fairlight' page and the main render section - it's 100% free but a steep learning curve for even simple stuff as it's a fully featured video app
Love this! PS You may want to reconsider the color correction here... ;-)
Ha Ha - funnily enough I've had a number of people email me and ask me what the LUT was as they liked it ! .. everyone see's things differently - that's a view I'm coming to accept in almost every area of life :)
is the the perc has a lot of reverb tho will it still wok
not as well, but try one of the online versions to see
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Acon Digitals Acoustica does an even better job separating stems and it's much cheaper. The processing time is very fast compared to RX as well, usually under 10 seconds even for large files. Try the demo and A/B the results with RX, much cleaner
I believe the same algo is in use here : www.lalal.ai/
Hey James! Before I shell out on RX ;) how does music rebalance in RX compare with master rebalance in Ozone? I have Ozone 9 advanced already and haven’t yet tried RX, but do you think I can achieve the same results with master rebalance?
You’ll kick yourself when I answer - give it a try - you have the plug-in !
@@F9Audio cheers! :)
@@ohheyitskevinc there’s a demo available for a few days of RX but also Check my comment here about the others
@@F9Audio thanks! Just tried Ozone 9 master rebalance and it actually works pretty well! I was maybe a little lazy asking here, but I just moved to the M1 Mac and have spent the last 2 days reinstalling and then fixing Komplete 13 ultimate and all my Kontakt libraries etc, so didn’t want to break anything by opening up Logic or Live while all that was going on 😂 I’ll definitely give RX standard a try as I appear to have a loyalty offer in my account until the 12th. Have a good weekend and thanks again!
is there a reason you didnt just seperate them all at the same time with the separate button?
Yes - That will fully seperate everything with some quite extreme digital artefacts on every stem - if you dont want everything totally separated, Just balance what you want to keep these to a minimum
Wow that’s a game changer
Was this RX standard or advanced please James ?
It's in Standard and Advanced luckily - Also there's other options ...I'll pin the message to the top here
@@F9Audio thanks for the reply- let’s go chop the shit out of stuff ! Lol 😆
the only thing i don't understand is why recommend having the track in time with the metronome? doing this before using RX, assuming one is editing an unquantized 70s disco song, implies actually warping the song first. is it not better to use the best quality possible (ie without time stretching) when using RX and if time stretching is necessary, to warp the track after using RX?
Harder to automatically warp without the drum beats
At the front I talk about having the track in time with your DAW first so do the warping with the beats in to get it in time, then all the resulting files will be on the right tempo map - you can drop them back in , put them in a "pro' stretch mode and they will all track tempo changes
wow!
My kick drum just got a major hard on ! Awesome
Mad
Bananas isnt it ? - I did a vitory lap of the studio first time I did this
"lets pretend that's a nice original 70's disco track" The hardest part about such is actually syncing them up! Nightmare!!!
Which DAW are you using - and do you own or use Melodyne ?
@@F9Audio Cubase 12, I don't own or use Melodyne. I use VariAudio but for old tracks, I'll try to get the BPM as close as possible in decimal places first, for each section, then shift the sections accordingly. It depends if the slip in timing is due to musicians drift or a splice edit in the original tapes.
Last 1 I started was Eruption - 1 way ticket, Idea being to make it very much like Majestics Rasputin remake, big on the pump!
RX9 costs $399. Looks fun, but I might explore cheaper options like Peel.
All will work as long as they don't alter the file length - this was just the easiest to demonstrate with
@@F9Audio Thanks. Have you tried any of the others?
Ripx ? Similar ?
There’s plenty of systems using a similar AI tech and algo - they will all work as long as you get the file start position and tempo nailed.
@@F9Audio
Thanks James as always brilliant !
Have you tried any of the TC icon plugins ? Tc1210 2290 ! Thoughts ?
Good video I was going to suggest ripx as well it’s done the best job I’ve seen with minimal rendering time. Thanks for the video!
How would I do this in Logic please?
Time the track up perfectly on Logic first and make sure the audio starts exactly at a bar.
Now double click on the audio Région and in the sample editor window ( select the ‘file’ tab ) select ‘Save selection as’ - place on the desktop and the process as shown in the video - you can then lace the results in exactly the same place as the original and should be locked
Than you so much!
Will this work with elements?
No Standard or advanced only
Rip X or LALALAI are way way way more performant than the Rx algo ! Just try it !
Now I wish I had £300 to spare….
Rent to own on splice
Or : www.lalal.ai/
@@F9Audio how well does lalal AI compare to RX8/9/10 or whatever it is now.
@@JakeLDS Great Question ... Now from what I can gather - all of this kind of processing comes from the same algorithm and it's either a piece of code that's licensable, or it's open-source ... given the number of services now using it ( and how aggressive some of the players like IZtope like to be ) my general feeling is it's the latter - I wouldn't be at all surprised if this was cooked up in some kind of university-based AI incubator and published as a paper ... The UIs for each are different, and the split options are slightly different but they all seem to be based on the same process and I've tested RX against Acorn Audio's Acustica editor and the results were near-on identical for one style of extraction -So basically - whatever floats your boat / suits your workflow and needs
@@F9Audio thanks so much for the detailed answer. I think for me then I'll probably use one of the pay as you go online apps like lalal and if I'm really getting down with the process and want to do lots more it may be worth spending a bit on the RX or similar, if anything just for the ease of use. This seems like a great way to fairly quickly get some ideas down when you're not able to actually play music like myself. It makes me think of the early days of House when people were just putting drum machines over Disco loops. 1984 etc