@Drake ICN tbf, Bhelen is the better choice even though I'm forever spited for what he did to his siblings. But a lot of characters are quite the hypocrite in DA. Wynne prattles on (I do like Wynne) about the importance of the last two Grey Wardens defeating the Blight but happily tries to kill you and Alistair (if present) for destroying the ashes. As does Leliana.
@@Hawaiian_Pizza_Enjoyer that's true, I guess one could argue she was doing it for "survival" (I don't think that's an answer considering what she is) but Leliana and Wynne are doing it more for principle. At least have the decency to avenge your beloved dead prophet after the impending doom of the present is solved lmao.
Richella River But didn’t Flemeth do it out of principle too? She wanted Morrigan to „earn“ what she sought. She said something about „I wouldn’t have it any other way“ before she transformed into her dragon form. She could’ve just vanished or something but nooo
@@mithrandirsilvertongue1406 it's not just elves, he defends the mages in the circle the same way. Though they probably are disproportionately elves, come to think of it.
Zev’s first comment here to my main grey warden always bothered me. I play her as a moral person who wants to help everyone. She spared his life, freed sten, recused the mages in the tower, ended the werewolf curse. Does he really think that she consider to let people get sold into slavery? Especially when she’s an city elf who’s dad is in one of the cages.
Morrigan is truly the darkest one in the group. xD Yes, murder all the elves for a tiny bit of power... It isn't worth it in my opinion anyway. I never accept his offer. I always kill him. I hate slavers.
merdziiikaa Please keep in mind who raised her to believe that. Flemeth taught her that the only thing in life that matters is power. Morrigan was never taught to love anything beyond herself or to care about friends and family.
In this instance, I'd actually say Wynne takes the cake because of her reaction. In every other instance of DAO, any time you are caught using blood magic during cutscenes and she is in the party, it always ends up with her fighting against you. But for this scene, she only gives a -40 disapproval. I mean, this would be a massive blood ritual involving lots of people but she doesn't really seem to care because they're all a bunch of elvesinstead of humans.
Man...it's so funny that he makes that offer AFTER you kick his ass. Like, if we weren't willing to accept the deal he made, why would we accept an even MORE evil choice? Dude's not too smart at all.
fjlsfljsalfkjasdflka The thing is, a fight starts if you try and fail to intimidate him into a better deal for your side too. So usually you were trying to deal, and now he's realizing his mistake and trying to sweeten the deal to walk out alive.
RIGHT?! It's like: Let me take these elves and sell them into slavery? No? Then I'll do one better, I'll KILL all these elves to do a Blood Magic ritual for you! He should have worked on his sales pitch.
It worked however. I took him up on his offer. Actually, I wasn't fighting him for the slaves' rights in the first place, it was just that I found his initial offer and the way he delivered it disrespectful to my great persona.
Mary Sith City Elf female is the best choice in the game imo. Female because of the origin stuff in the beginning: wedding, group who gets captured etc. Also, through out the game being female has some fun elements on its own. So all that and simply returning to an enslaved Alienage as a jacked up heroine god n rippin em a new one is freakin righteous. Satisfaction level 100.
@@Bubbles99718 Lets be honest though. Most people played human origin and I think Human noble destroys elf in any way (city + dalish) in popularity contest.
Autumn Carter I occasionally bargain with demons, but I don’t bargain with slavers, maybe that’s backwards, but my first character made a deal with the desire demon inside Connor to learn blood magic, and so yeah that was pretty evil, but I was an elf mage, so I couldn’t leave the elves as slaves, dark wizard with some conscience?
WOW! I have to say, part of me had always been curious as to what would happen if I made my Warden choose all the really obnoxious dialogue choices, but thanks to your vids I don't actually have to replay anything. It's certainly been enlightening! LOL
What I always disliked was that he can ask 100g from you, but no matter your persuade or stats, you can never demand 100g from him, even when he's defeated.
I use a elf so,I never need to hear this garbage. My elf would kill a shem just as easy as he would a genlock if they cross him or endanger his people, family friends or his love.
@@TheStrongNerd it is but people who dont fight for themselves have no right to choice and are subhuman for sten. Also the qun protects only people under the qun. The warriors are really the radical arm of the qun. Send a priest If you need compassion.
@@Siegberg91 I mean same goes kinda for Morrigan - anyone deserves what they got and if these idiotic elves got themselves into the alienage, they already proven that they like being slaves so them being escorted to another slavery in Tevinter aint all that different AND they make profit from it.
I mean, he's done so much bad, but he's also done plenty good, so instead of killing him for his crimes, why not force him to spend the rest of his life in service to those he wronged?
In his own words. "Is it worse to live with hope to escape of to die at the hands of the darkspawn?" Logain was selling the elves to pay his armies whilst evacuating the least defended part of the city. Its fucked up but I can see the cold logic there.
@@samreddig8819 Cold logic of a person who is a hypocrite. Wanted a free Ferelden but not free elves. Didn't even let the elves to choose between killed by Darkspawn or sold into slavery.
Morrigan is so damn cute. I love how she's so misanthropic. I took the persuade counter offer bribe during my most recent Evil Blood Mage playthrough, but no one contested my decision because I came with Shale, Sten & Morrigan.
I mean boost health, and potential boost to our coffers, are offers that are always nice and tempting; yet it's making a deal with slavers, and that in itself feels a bit dirty.
It should have been stated how much and the numbers way bigger - 1 constitution WONT convince anyone. 10 constitution on the other hand though. Its like if I told you "if you let this terrorist act unpunished, you get a dollar." then you would report the crime and get a bigger thank you ffrom the authorities for this act. 1 constitution is simply not enough.
What I never understood is why the whole dilemma? Strike the deal, get the letter, behead the bastard and free the slaves. If he is actually smart enough to take some precautions to prevent you from doing that, just remove step one and two, behead the bastard and free the slaves. Same thing with the city elf origin. Get the key, loot his treasure, then go back in there and eviscerate that filthy shemlin.
I was doing an evil rp and romancing Zevran. When I was considering the bargain he saying "my friend" gave me the red flag and my Warden became an elf saviour.
@TheVolourn Yes, Sten always came across as one of the more ruthless companions, but he did at least express shame and remorse for the people he killed before the game started, and those killings were more of a crime of passion, whereas sacrificing the elves is very cold-blooded. This scene makes me reconsider which of the companions is the most evil.
Its shockes me how great this game was with all its different scenes. I mean the game always ends the same way but how it ends can easily be different every play threw. I love DA-origins. its for sure the best of the series. Other two are OK in comparison the fact you have different choices has always been this games strong suit. Too bad that There is no Turely different endings of the main plot.
HALP! How the fuck do you get the "Slave trade not stopped" in the epilouge?! Cause even if you make deal with the slave trader he leaves with the elves. So how do you not shut it down? :s
funny how Wynne says ITS BLOOD MAGIC NOOOO!, when she herself is one... download the missing diolog mod where it puts in all the stuff that was cut out for one reason or another diolog wise
the developers took out a bunch of diolog from the game, a friendly neighbour hood modder took this and made it into a mod. releasing all the lore and infomation and funny talks that were not released. its quite good, but as it turns out that when you gain full favor with Wynne she confesses her using blood magic to sustain herself for a small time that allows a spirit into her to help her live.
Sten is using a mod called "Sten Armor". The Wardens are using "Grey Wardens of Ferelden" armor mod with optional tint. edit: zevran is using armor mod from witcher series, and morrigan is using a mod called "concept morrigan".
On a side-note, if for some reason the Warden's failed the elves would be a good distance from the Blight, seeing as how the Alienage was hit pretty hard during the invasion. XD
I'm conflicted; on the one hand since Mass Effect anything that says slaver on it gets shot repeatedly or in the case of Dragon Age stabbed in the face ..... on the other they're elves and I've always hated the self righteous basterds.
The Dalish aren't even really all that self-righteous? Their second homeland, given to them by Drakon, was ripped from them by Drakon's son calling for an Exalted March on them, despite how instrumental they were to the Chantry's foundation to begin with.
@@BlazeIgnitus I can definitely see where the dalish are coming from wanting to worship the gods they known. Then again the chantry saw it as a betrayal for them not to fully uphold the prophet andraste, or the maker, as it was she who led the armies and died so that they may be free
If i am not an elf here, i usually take morrigan, shale and ohgren here with me, i let that mage do his thing, once i have defeated him, since i play these kind of games with rpg-style, no human would care if few elf-animals would survive, and dwarves, don't care..
Many humans care, in fact! Even at the landsmeet, one of the evidences that make the nobles vote against Loghain is the proof he was selling elves! You're just a psycho, dude!
Even Zevran agrees the elves are pathetic. They have a chance to serve the greater entity, to be part of something bigger than they are. To be part of Me! They should be honoured and grateful for the opportunity.
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It's absolutely hilarious how you can shut Zevran up every time just by saying "You're an assassin"
The "hypocrite" argument is so pathetic yet effective. Two wrongs make a "who cares"
@Drake ICN tbf, Bhelen is the better choice even though I'm forever spited for what he did to his siblings. But a lot of characters are quite the hypocrite in DA. Wynne prattles on (I do like Wynne) about the importance of the last two Grey Wardens defeating the Blight but happily tries to kill you and Alistair (if present) for destroying the ashes. As does Leliana.
Richella River
As does Flemeth, which is really ironic.
I know you have to force the confrontation, but still
@@Hawaiian_Pizza_Enjoyer that's true, I guess one could argue she was doing it for "survival" (I don't think that's an answer considering what she is) but Leliana and Wynne are doing it more for principle. At least have the decency to avenge your beloved dead prophet after the impending doom of the present is solved lmao.
Richella River
But didn’t Flemeth do it out of principle too? She wanted Morrigan to „earn“ what she sought. She said something about „I wouldn’t have it any other way“ before she transformed into her dragon form. She could’ve just vanished or something but nooo
This quest really shows Zevran's moral core.
Nitzan G yeah, and the Dalish quest if you consider siding with the werewolves, he has a soft spot for elves I think...
@@mithrandirsilvertongue1406 it's not just elves, he defends the mages in the circle the same way. Though they probably are disproportionately elves, come to think of it.
More like hypocrisy.
Says the guy who murders people for a living. Even if he doesn't have much of a choice on the matter, it's still murder. So yeah, hypocrisy.
Zev’s first comment here to my main grey warden always bothered me. I play her as a moral person who wants to help everyone. She spared his life, freed sten, recused the mages in the tower, ended the werewolf curse. Does he really think that she consider to let people get sold into slavery? Especially when she’s an city elf who’s dad is in one of the cages.
"Dinner is usually customary prior to being thrown over a barrel and ravished like that." - Zevran
OH MY GOSH I NEARLY DIED.
Morrigan is truly the darkest one in the group. xD Yes, murder all the elves for a tiny bit of power... It isn't worth it in my opinion anyway. I never accept his offer. I always kill him. I hate slavers.
Not only that, but she disapproves if you just kill the Slaver instead of taking him up on his offers.
Kia Maria She is a fucking bitch
merdziiikaa Please keep in mind who raised her to believe that. Flemeth taught her that the only thing in life that matters is power. Morrigan was never taught to love anything beyond herself or to care about friends and family.
She becomes nicer when she has a child.
In this instance, I'd actually say Wynne takes the cake because of her reaction. In every other instance of DAO, any time you are caught using blood magic during cutscenes and she is in the party, it always ends up with her fighting against you. But for this scene, she only gives a -40 disapproval. I mean, this would be a massive blood ritual involving lots of people but she doesn't really seem to care because they're all a bunch of elvesinstead of humans.
I'm surprised how ok Sten is with making a deal with Tevinters
First playthrough I was a city elf. Performed a little "blood magic" ritual of my own called "disembowel every slaver in sight." Ah. Such fun.
Man...it's so funny that he makes that offer AFTER you kick his ass. Like, if we weren't willing to accept the deal he made, why would we accept an even MORE evil choice?
Dude's not too smart at all.
fjlsfljsalfkjasdflka The thing is, a fight starts if you try and fail to intimidate him into a better deal for your side too. So usually you were trying to deal, and now he's realizing his mistake and trying to sweeten the deal to walk out alive.
RIGHT?! It's like: Let me take these elves and sell them into slavery? No? Then I'll do one better, I'll KILL all these elves to do a Blood Magic ritual for you! He should have worked on his sales pitch.
fjlsfljsalfkjasdflka well it's blood magic so......
something impressive is gained
It worked however. I took him up on his offer. Actually, I wasn't fighting him for the slaves' rights in the first place, it was just that I found his initial offer and the way he delivered it disrespectful to my great persona.
@@miloradowicz Bruh! Your Warden is worse than Loghain...Much worse lol
Wow. I knew Morrigan was bad, but jesus
It’s ironic that the slaver’s voice actor is in fact Loghain
Then, if you played as a City Elf, crap was going to go DOWN!
This quest is personal when you're playing with a City Elf U.U
Mary Sith City Elf female is the best choice in the game imo. Female because of the origin stuff in the beginning: wedding, group who gets captured etc. Also, through out the game being female has some fun elements on its own. So all that and simply returning to an enslaved Alienage as a jacked up heroine god n rippin em a new one is freakin righteous. Satisfaction level 100.
@@Bubbles99718 . No it isn't.
@@SeventhheavenDK I've racked up a mighty 12 thumbs up over 2 years. Let's see if you can do the same.
Consider the gauntlet thrown down
@@Bubbles99718 MAKE IT 17. City Elf Bad Bitch Kaillan reporting in.
@@Bubbles99718 Lets be honest though. Most people played human origin and I think Human noble destroys elf in any way (city + dalish) in popularity contest.
Sell the elves into slavery?
*"Why not? What do I care?"*
I love the speech options that Origins provides.
I never bargain with demons, and I never bargain with slavers.
Autumn Carter I occasionally bargain with demons, but I don’t bargain with slavers, maybe that’s backwards, but my first character made a deal with the desire demon inside Connor to learn blood magic, and so yeah that was pretty evil, but I was an elf mage, so I couldn’t leave the elves as slaves, dark wizard with some conscience?
This person Anakins
@@mithrandirsilvertongue1406 wo never knew u can make a deal with it, I always send Morrigan and she is not to kin on making deals.
@TheVolourn I sde
WOW! I have to say, part of me had always been curious as to what would happen if I made my Warden choose all the really obnoxious dialogue choices, but thanks to your vids I don't actually have to replay anything. It's certainly been enlightening! LOL
What I always disliked was that he can ask 100g from you, but no matter your persuade or stats, you can never demand 100g from him, even when he's defeated.
I use a elf so,I never need to hear this garbage.
My elf would kill a shem just as easy as he would a genlock if they cross him or endanger his people, family friends or his love.
The voice acting thru out this game really makes it.
you look like Jowan
‘As you like’ has never been uttered so maliciously
I like how sten is just like “f##k it sell em” good decision 😂😂🤦🏾♂️
Sten Has No Filter
Is it any surprise why Morrigan gushes over him the way she does 😂
I feel like slavery is against the qun code, tho
@@TheStrongNerd it is but people who dont fight for themselves have no right to choice and are subhuman for sten. Also the qun protects only people under the qun. The warriors are really the radical arm of the qun. Send a priest If you need compassion.
@@Siegberg91 I mean same goes kinda for Morrigan - anyone deserves what they got and if these idiotic elves got themselves into the alienage, they already proven that they like being slaves so them being escorted to another slavery in Tevinter aint all that different AND they make profit from it.
Zevran dislike this video.
These Tevinter slavers are Loghain's allies. And those apologist think that he should be left alive just because he WAS good?
I mean, he's done so much bad, but he's also done plenty good, so instead of killing him for his crimes, why not force him to spend the rest of his life in service to those he wronged?
In his own words. "Is it worse to live with hope to escape of to die at the hands of the darkspawn?"
Logain was selling the elves to pay his armies whilst evacuating the least defended part of the city.
Its fucked up but I can see the cold logic there.
@@samreddig8819
Cold logic of a person who is a hypocrite. Wanted a free Ferelden but not free elves. Didn't even let the elves to choose between killed by Darkspawn or sold into slavery.
lol Sten 2:21
Love how I can recognize who is voiced by Simon Templeman.
Morrigan is so damn cute. I love how she's so misanthropic. I took the persuade counter offer bribe during my most recent Evil Blood Mage playthrough, but no one contested my decision because I came with Shale, Sten & Morrigan.
Zevran really is a bit of a hypocrit, ain't he? The moment the taking of someone's life doesnt get him paid he suddenly cares.
He has a fine line on murder, sure he will kill to get coin, but slavery hits to close to home for him
Zevran only really cares when it's elves you're killing
He never had a choice he was bought as a slave
What happen if as an alienage elf you accept the offer? There's any special dialogue?
4:12 pffffft zev lost his accent there for a sec 🤣
I mean boost health, and potential boost to our coffers, are offers that are always nice and tempting; yet it's making a deal with slavers, and that in itself feels a bit dirty.
It should have been stated how much and the numbers way bigger - 1 constitution WONT convince anyone. 10 constitution on the other hand though. Its like if I told you "if you let this terrorist act unpunished, you get a dollar." then you would report the crime and get a bigger thank you ffrom the authorities for this act. 1 constitution is simply not enough.
What I never understood is why the whole dilemma? Strike the deal, get the letter, behead the bastard and free the slaves.
If he is actually smart enough to take some precautions to prevent you from doing that, just remove step one and two, behead the bastard and free the slaves.
Same thing with the city elf origin. Get the key, loot his treasure, then go back in there and eviscerate that filthy shemlin.
Probably because you can do just that by fighting him. Kill him, loot the letter of his corpse and free the slaves
I was doing an evil rp and romancing Zevran. When I was considering the bargain he saying "my friend" gave me the red flag and my Warden became an elf saviour.
Sten is way more evil than I remember.
@TheVolourn Yes, Sten always came across as one of the more ruthless companions, but he did at least express shame and remorse for the people he killed before the game started, and those killings were more of a crime of passion, whereas sacrificing the elves is very cold-blooded. This scene makes me reconsider which of the companions is the most evil.
Which is an "obnoxious dialogue choice" for you?
how did you make that Warden? He looks amazing
Ughh... a comedian
Its shockes me how great this game was with all its different scenes. I mean the game always ends the same way but how it ends can easily be different every play threw. I love DA-origins. its for sure the best of the series. Other two are OK in comparison the fact you have different choices has always been this games strong suit. Too bad that There is no Turely different endings of the main plot.
i know this is a bit late but can you list the mods you used for the armor and such?
HALP!
How the fuck do you get the "Slave trade not stopped" in the epilouge?! Cause even if you make deal with the slave trader he leaves with the elves. So how do you not shut it down? :s
funny how Wynne says ITS BLOOD MAGIC NOOOO!, when she herself is one... download the missing diolog mod where it puts in all the stuff that was cut out for one reason or another diolog wise
Wait, since when is Wynne a blood mage?
the developers took out a bunch of diolog from the game, a friendly neighbour hood modder took this and made it into a mod. releasing all the lore and infomation and funny talks that were not released. its quite good, but as it turns out that when you gain full favor with Wynne she confesses her using blood magic to sustain herself for a small time that allows a spirit into her to help her live.
ace123123654 Oh thanks, glad it wasn't just that all mages can be made into 'blood mages' when levelling up.
She isn't, if it was cut, it doesn't count.
I apologize for asking this tired question but that armour, is that a mod?
Sten is using a mod called "Sten Armor". The Wardens are using "Grey Wardens of Ferelden" armor mod with optional tint.
edit: zevran is using armor mod from witcher series, and morrigan is using a mod called "concept morrigan".
thank you!!
What mods are these for armor?
wait... Sten supports blood magic?
No, he supports the advantage of bargain.
No matter what zeveran and wyyne just sit there and let you do whatever you want.
what armour is this???
Can you name the armor, face mods for the companions and hairs mods used? Your link simply takes me to the categories in nexus.
You can. You just have to fight him into submission first.
How did you get the armor for you and alistar?
+TheFrew It is a mod, as is the armor Sten was wearing. Dragon Age nexus Mod.
yes
love that armor. bad. ass.
How did you get that face for your warden =x I can fuck with it for an hour and not get a nice looking face
I think mods
I enjoy resorting to barbarism!
On a side-note, if for some reason the Warden's failed the elves would be a good distance from the Blight, seeing as how the Alienage was hit pretty hard during the invasion. XD
At this point you don't know that though.
When I did this part of the game, I was hoping to save the elves AND get the letter off of him...too bad
Yeah, I mean he offers you it, he might as well have it on him.
well, you can always kill him and loot the letter from his corpse.
you're wyne looks fabulous
YOUR CHARACTER LOOKS LIKE JOWAN??? LMAO
No matter what zeveran just sits right there and let's you do whatever you want, grow some balls zeveran.
Well then spend 2 h creating your character maybe then your results wouldn't be as poor as they are.
I'm conflicted; on the one hand since Mass Effect anything that says slaver on it gets shot repeatedly or in the case of Dragon Age stabbed in the face ..... on the other they're elves and I've always hated the self righteous basterds.
Ah, the Fenris solution, only replace racism with fear of mages.
It's not all elves that are self-righteous pricks, it's specifically the Dalish.
Not these elves, they aren't the Dalish.
The Dalish aren't even really all that self-righteous? Their second homeland, given to them by Drakon, was ripped from them by Drakon's son calling for an Exalted March on them, despite how instrumental they were to the Chantry's foundation to begin with.
@@BlazeIgnitus
I can definitely see where the dalish are coming from wanting to worship the gods they known. Then again the chantry saw it as a betrayal for them not to fully uphold the prophet andraste, or the maker, as it was she who led the armies and died so that they may be free
I always let him take the slaves. It's probably better than living in the alienage.
Fenris, blood magic. They die either way.
Okay, we get it, Zevran, slaving is bad.
If i am not an elf here, i usually take morrigan, shale and ohgren here with me, i let that mage do his thing, once i have defeated him, since i play these kind of games with rpg-style, no human would care if few elf-animals would survive, and dwarves, don't care..
Many humans care, in fact! Even at the landsmeet, one of the evidences that make the nobles vote against Loghain is the proof he was selling elves! You're just a psycho, dude!
@@user-kq2gt6yy3o . Totally agree what you say, especially the last part.
Even Zevran agrees the elves are pathetic. They have a chance to serve the greater entity, to be part of something bigger than they are. To be part of Me! They should be honoured and grateful for the opportunity.
Wish the sacrifice gave you more health. Like at least 5 constitution.