+Ralek Kelar He's just trying to make a point about why he think's it's illogical to be more scared of magic than any other methods of killing people. Of course, anyone who played DAO as a mage knows why. Magic is OP, blood magic is even more OP. Blood magic + Arcane Warrior breaks the game entirely even on nightmare + mods that make the game even more difficult. Mages can tank and CC at the same time. It makes perfect sense, until you play DA2, where magic has been considerably nerfed, and blood magic even more so, to the point where you have to wonder exactly as Zev does, as to why anyone should be paranoid about magic at all.
+zopiclone199 Magic was nerfed even more in Inquisition. It doesn't even have Blood mage. I really had no idea how OP magic was in Origins until I went Blood Mage + Spirit Healer. Infinite magic supply with that combo.
Zevran is actually a very moral person and he always objects to pointless killing or hurting others. He's pro-mage, doesn't want to harm the Dalish, can very easily persuaded the anvil is evil by pointing out it requires souls, is a friend to children, etc. It's why I never got how people get him to betray them during the Taliesen encounter. It's very difficult to piss him off imo if you play even a half decent character and +27 approval is very easy to get.
@@heiveldboy Actually, the first time that I played this game I choose a team and played with it the entire game ignoring the other members. Obviously, without befriending Zevran, he turns on you, so I had to kill him. Sad, no?
Vargoroth I actually do really like Zevran. And he’s fully aware of when he’s in over his head. Even in DA2 he says he doesn’t understand why so many people think they can defeat people like Hawke or the Warden.
Alejandro Yañez I didn’t ignore Zevran the whole game, but for most of it, and at the end he didn’t turn on me, he just didn’t fight at all and simply left until after
It wasn't greg ellis in origins, I believe it was the same VA as Anders. After everything that's happened, hopefully greg will get help and eventually see the error of his ways..
I mean, for some countries and ESPECIALLY under the Qun, you're right, but the Fereldan Circle was, by all other comparisons, a good place to live. We've seen what untrained mages do to themselves and others. Do you think Connor would be HAPPY about what he did under a demon's influence? If he even survives, of course. In the Fereldan circle, mages taught and looked after their own. Yes, there was the unfortunate reality of the Harrowing and the Tranquil... But is that unfortunate reality really so terrible compared to the atrocities people like Uldred commit? It took ONE mage who was only a child to completely wipe out an entire Arlington. I agree some templars take it too far, but mages can't go without some manner of oversight or restriction. I dont think Cullen's LITERAL torture and seeing all of his friends being tortured to death can be equated to what life was like in the Fereldan Circle. (And honestly, that could have been conveyed better with a voice performance with more weight behind it.) Perhaps it is comparable to the life of apostates.
I sided with the mages, but I fucked up during the boss fight and the first enchanter died, so it was a templar victory. Since my Warden was a former mage from the circle and these people were the closest thing he had to a family, he was devastated. Morrigan was happy about it, though. As in, it raised her approval rating high enough to sleep with him by the time we all made it back to camp. I guess my Warden was in need of some comfort at that point.
@@lupinelp9226 that's what I always do, save Irving and the Mages, say we don't know if they aren't possessed, Irving even agrees with this point and submits himself to the Templars. This is what I think makes the most sense for a Warden to decide, the mages don't deserve to die based off of what might happen, but likewise they shouldn't be given full immunity as it still *might* happen
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Magic can kill. Knives can kill. Even small children launched at great speeds can kill.
..wait what?
Well if you put a child in a howitzer...
Ma'jhad MoonSugar In a world where magic is a thing don't think they'll need that lol
+Ralek Kelar He's just trying to make a point about why he think's it's illogical to be more scared of magic than any other methods of killing people. Of course, anyone who played DAO as a mage knows why. Magic is OP, blood magic is even more OP. Blood magic + Arcane Warrior breaks the game entirely even on nightmare + mods that make the game even more difficult. Mages can tank and CC at the same time. It makes perfect sense, until you play DA2, where magic has been considerably nerfed, and blood magic even more so, to the point where you have to wonder exactly as Zev does, as to why anyone should be paranoid about magic at all.
+zopiclone199 Magic was nerfed even more in Inquisition. It doesn't even have Blood mage. I really had no idea how OP magic was in Origins until I went Blood Mage + Spirit Healer. Infinite magic supply with that combo.
+zopiclone199 How good is blood magic never use it out of principles?
I wasn't expecting Zevran of all people to be pro-mage. That's actually really sweet.
Zevran is actually a very moral person and he always objects to pointless killing or hurting others. He's pro-mage, doesn't want to harm the Dalish, can very easily persuaded the anvil is evil by pointing out it requires souls, is a friend to children, etc. It's why I never got how people get him to betray them during the Taliesen encounter. It's very difficult to piss him off imo if you play even a half decent character and +27 approval is very easy to get.
@@heiveldboy Actually, the first time that I played this game I choose a team and played with it the entire game ignoring the other members. Obviously, without befriending Zevran, he turns on you, so I had to kill him. Sad, no?
Vargoroth I actually do really like Zevran. And he’s fully aware of when he’s in over his head. Even in DA2 he says he doesn’t understand why so many people think they can defeat people like Hawke or the Warden.
Alejandro Yañez I didn’t ignore Zevran the whole game, but for most of it, and at the end he didn’t turn on me, he just didn’t fight at all and simply left until after
I don't know if I'd call him pro mage. Just sees no point in needless death. If it was Templars, he'd be opposed to killing them too.
oh wow.. was I the only one moved by the things Zevran had to say? because damn
Thanks, Zevran! Now I have to try launching a small child at people to confirm that it can kill... For science, of course.
You could find a dead one in the morgue. No need to be distasteful here.
Cullen's voice actor greatly refined his act since this game
Greg Ellis. He's a legend ❤️
It wasn't greg ellis in origins, I believe it was the same VA as Anders. After everything that's happened, hopefully greg will get help and eventually see the error of his ways..
@@ShoppingAttic lmao he voiced both Anders and Cullen in Origins you halfwhit
@@hajde8128 LOL getting that upset, how pathetic.
@@ShoppingAttic upset where boo, dont try to save face after looking dumb cus you got impaired hearing
2:03 - 4:16
the length of time Morrigan had to listen to Zevran talk XD
Now I am shushed
fine
IM CRYING x'D
"Oh so now im sushed, Fine" lol zevran
Zevran's objection is rather surprising.
"Even small children launched at great speed CAN KILL"
Oh my this got me bad xD xD xD
The conversation between Cullen and a female mage warden is particularly awkward.
Due largely to the fact that Cullen admits to an attraction to the female mage character, despite his Templar status
OMG Zevran! You look beautiful. Maybe he's perfect. Maybe it's Maybelline
well now he understands how many mages feel. caged and broken
Hmmm...yes, but guess what, before this he thought Templars were unnecessarily harsh on mages, so he was proven "wrong".
I mean, for some countries and ESPECIALLY under the Qun, you're right, but the Fereldan Circle was, by all other comparisons, a good place to live.
We've seen what untrained mages do to themselves and others. Do you think Connor would be HAPPY about what he did under a demon's influence? If he even survives, of course.
In the Fereldan circle, mages taught and looked after their own. Yes, there was the unfortunate reality of the Harrowing and the Tranquil... But is that unfortunate reality really so terrible compared to the atrocities people like Uldred commit?
It took ONE mage who was only a child to completely wipe out an entire Arlington. I agree some templars take it too far, but mages can't go without some manner of oversight or restriction.
I dont think Cullen's LITERAL torture and seeing all of his friends being tortured to death can be equated to what life was like in the Fereldan Circle. (And honestly, that could have been conveyed better with a voice performance with more weight behind it.) Perhaps it is comparable to the life of apostates.
@@dmsviola1 untrained mages are pretty dangerous but there’s a difference between sending people to school and putting them in fantasy interment camps
@@spaghettidoodle3611But we see what happens when mages don't live in those camps
I sided with the mages, but I fucked up during the boss fight and the first enchanter died, so it was a templar victory. Since my Warden was a former mage from the circle and these people were the closest thing he had to a family, he was devastated. Morrigan was happy about it, though. As in, it raised her approval rating high enough to sleep with him by the time we all made it back to camp. I guess my Warden was in need of some comfort at that point.
Thagomizer, even if you save the first enchanter, you can still side with the Templars.
@@lupinelp9226 that's what I always do, save Irving and the Mages, say we don't know if they aren't possessed, Irving even agrees with this point and submits himself to the Templars. This is what I think makes the most sense for a Warden to decide, the mages don't deserve to die based off of what might happen, but likewise they shouldn't be given full immunity as it still *might* happen
Alistair: "Well that escalated quickly"
7:48
once again Ogren never ceases to make me laugh
Children launched at great speed... lol Zevran.
Dang! Cullen has some righteous anger. lol
At least I looked my victims in the face
OH SHIT SON
Always did the Circle first, nice to see Oghren's and Zev's comments here
Zev is really nice. For a Crow. :-)
What mods did you use for Zevran's clothes and face?
But how can you kill someone by launching a small child at great speed?
how did you get that morrigan outfit is it a mod?
The party members look sooo much better, especially Leliana and Morrigan
Actually Cullen, you can tell malificarum by sight. They are labeled in this game lol
Oh? Now I'm shushed. Fine. HAHAHAHAHAHA Zev
Why is Zevran wearing Geralts amulet and assassin of kings armour? Has he killed for it?
Mod.
so im guessing this is for pc, there is so much more then in the console version
What armor is your warden wearing? Is it a mod? :)
oh now i am shushed...fine.
rofl :)
personal expiriance?
Is your main character Allistair???
Anyone who would choose to kill every mage in the tower is nothing but a monster themselves .
Why does Shale sound like Joker?
Hmm I love the idea of launching children at great speed :D
Hmm... Shale's argument was not surprising, though it was funny enough to almost make me kill 'em. XD
No dislike, good
Okay, now, this was a good game, and watching this video makes me realise how much Inquisition sucks
Why're you so quick to condemn this mages? Just shut up Zev!!