Don't Buy The Asus TUF Gaming A15 (2020 Model)
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- UPDATE: Asus say they did not intentionally compromise the product in an attempt to make customers buy higher end systems. We offered our opinion that this might explain their design decisions, however the wording we used was poor. We've removed that section from the video.
Asus also deny the cooling design is flawed, saying that using an open vent design is overall worse for thermal performance. We are looking into independently verifying these claims and will update you when we have tested the laptop further.
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Asus say they did not intentionally compromise the product in an attempt to make customers buy higher end systems. We offered our opinion that this might explain their design decisions, however the wording we used was poor. We've removed that section from the video.
Asus also deny the cooling design is flawed, saying that using an open vent design is overall worse for thermal performance. We are looking into independently verifying these claims and will update you when we have tested the laptop further.
thankyouuu...
It's wierd, it's surprisingly cheap where i live, so I'm still gonna buy it probably. I hope you guys keep doing this kind of videos, i personally would even buy a modded bottom panel. Overall i still believe you bringing up this problem was the right thing to do. As for the screen, i believe it's as bad as the others in the price range, like the GF65 thin, which has a 8% price increase where i live, and it has similar specs, though probably better build.
Thanks for being honest and correcting the mistake. 👍
Solid move! And thanks for getting in touch with asus about it.
Your review is most probably correct and Asus claims are most probably not. I have the same but 2019 model with the Ryzen 7 3750H and RTX 2060 and it is a bucket of heat, noise, and video problems, being the first that the computer shows the video panel attached ONLY to the APU and some games just do not use the GPU whatever you do. You MUST play with headset on or you won't be able to hear the game over the roaring fans. The NVMe is not the fastest, just ok-ish and cheap... I was also surprised by the lack of proper ventilation, and I opened it to install an additional HD for storage. If the heat pipes are not the same they look very similar, so maybe you are dealing with an old thermal design. Now I want to test it without the bottom part, dammit...
"using an open vent design is overall worse for thermal performance." that's some BS when MSI's GL65 performs way better with open vents. For them to deny that their design is flawed = buyer beware alert.
"Let's put a massive air grill down there"
"Good idea!"
"But let's block 90% of it!"
Seriously, theri cooling design is as he said 'atrocious'. I and my friend got the TUF FX series model with i7 gtx 1060, but it heats up like crazy and throttling gets unbearable. The TUF series actually taught me never to get a laptop for gaming, go with a PC
Asus did something similar with their G15 which is an almost identical unit to the M15, but purposely put some plastic strips to block the air intakes for some "inexplicable" reason to make its thermals and performance worse than its Intel counterpart
@@dennisgatere7821 I have the G15, and decided to take off the covers. Temps dropped by 7C on the GPU and 10C on the CPU. What the fuck Asus.
@@a_spire yep, case mod time. Could be fun!
Fake air vents is hilarious, but they need to incorporate more hinges that lifts up the laptop from the table.
Seems like Asus have decided to throw the entirety of their TUF lineup under the bus.
The TUF lineup has many bad products.
Seems like the X570 Gaming Plus was one of the few TUF products that escaped butchery
CheapBastard1988 I gues they are not that TUF anymore
@@NeXMaX Oh, there is still time for cheap condensators to defect.
I've seen enough ASUS boards, it's safe to say that they are all shit.
TUF stands for Thrown Under Fbus
So close yet so far...
Great timing for me to see this video right after I bought one of these.
Lol
@matt Bowen so how's the heating issue?
Yeah any heating issues that we should consider??
@@cinephrase31 Rog strix g go for that
@@bssumukha7663 that's too good of a lap but the price is 90k above.. my budget is just 75k
Had (1660ti version) this for 5 days now. Doing heavy duty things each day for long periods of time. I've only set the NVIDIA options to high performance.
Upgraded from 8gb RAM to 16gb.
Played games like Destiny 2 / Total War: Three Kingdoms / Warzone / XCOM etc. - highest settings
Running architectural / rendering softwares like autocad, revit, enscape, lumion
Overall I'm satisfied. Cooling is fine. It's cooler around where the hand usually is at the AWSD area / number pad & warmer on the middle part but not hot enough to feel uncomfortable.
On turbo mode most of the time and the fan does make some noise, but tolerable, but you don't really notice it when you're in the zone. Unless you're the type that do. If you have headphones on then its not a bother at all.
EDITED: After a little over a month of using this laptop...
Used it daily for work / gaming / and the general shit you do on the internet... sometimes i have even used it around the clock.
It's still running like brand new. lol
EDITED: almost 6months in...still as above.
Played the new AC valhalla (mostly on high graphic settings) and a few hours in on Cyberpunk (mostly ultra settings) and its smooth runnin' so im happy!
48wh battery runs out of juice quick though, when unplugged, so would advise getting 90wh one to last longer.
Maybe 6 months isn't enough time to really see any faults so will probably check in again in months time. Or if i come across any issues.
EDITED: 1 year later...
Usage: as above
Heating: still as above.
Performance: No drop. Still performing well for me. Have not experience any technical difficulties so far.
-Liking the eye care feature under armoury crate. takes the stress off the eyes when active for long periods
-Only downside i found so far is that my 'AWSDF' keys has slightly faded, probably because of usage. But not really a concern for me.
Is it worth what you pay for... YES!
Could you get better ones under same pricetag.. Probably.
This was a year ago when I purchased so not sure what's on the market.
Anyway, hope this gives people a bit of an insight when deciding to buy or not.
Goodluck
bro thanks for your opinions I am gonna buy the same version of yours and I was little nervous about cooling. your comment helps me :)
@@katsu8693 No worries bro. I think the bad reviews only apply to hardcore users and IT experts. But I'm casual and not really tech savvy. I base my opinion on user experience.
Did you care about the ghosting in the screen? Was it really distracting like that?
@@OsmanthusWineZhongli wow ive literally had not noticed until you mentioned it. So to answer your question. No, not distracting at all
@@ronin1040 its just my first time owning... But I can use a monitor for this one right?
If you were interested in the A15, there are lots of other mid to entry-level Ryzen 4000 laptops coming out soon from many OEMs (Acer, Dell, HP, MSI and Lenovo to name a few). We'll be on the lookout for which one is best in the next few months, but it's hard to imagine other OEMs will use such flawed designs
Please do a review of the Eluktronics Matrix Red Pill 15 or 17!!! AMD Ryzen 7 4800H with boosted RTX 2060!! Currently one of the fastest gaming laptops as per notebookcheck.
Tim, you should probably look at some of the older ASUS laptops in a similar price class dating back to 2016. A lot of them shared a similar flawed design and come with it hobbled performance, loud fan noise and potentially questionable reliability down the line. I just happen to also be a disappointed customer of one of those laptops.
When I heard that the A15 has a flawed cooler design, I wasn’t surprised. This was common with lower-tiered ASUS gaming laptops for a while now. The only thing that surprised me was that you guys were the only ones who actually called them out proper on it, with most of the others riding on the Ryzen hype and seemingly brushing off those flaws aside.
To be fair, it shouldn't be a such big reveal. Asus TUF designed to be worse than more expensive devices. TUF is just a marketing gimmick for low tier products line.
Like literally, the engineering team gathered at a whiteboard and gathered flaws on how to make it less attractive in every way possible.
It'll be interesting to see if the 4900H A15 and the intel based F15 models will keep the same bottom panel and GPU power level.
I’m actually looking forward for other laptop review in your channel, please do more like this!
*Please Read this*
I myself bought this laptop looking at the price and specs of it. I was really exited to get it home. When i got it i was really happy with it but then i started looking at the temps which on my Asus A15 were sometimes 105 degrees. I then bought me a cooling pad a big one though it didnt help at all maybe 2-3 degrees difference. Like many others i feel sick to my stomach when i see temps reaching 100 degrees when playing light games.
Now it gets wierd
I decided to open it up and apply new thermal paste on everything (Grizzly thermal). Though it helped i was still seeing it reach over 90 degrees which is better ofcourse but not good enough for me.
Tried to figure out what the problem was.
The problem was AMD control center which has something called a "Virtual supersampling" function. And it was at factory set to on. I turned it off and bam. It freaking fixed my thermals. The AMD intergrated GPU was under such a heavy load from all the extra noncense settings that it reached that high. For me atleast.
The highest temp ive gone so far after my fix is about 80 degrees and thats perfect.
I wanted to write this to maybe help other people who are stuck in this thermal hell.
Idle temps are around 47 doing nothing with turbo fan setting
Idk what are you all talking about these high temperatures. Mine, which has 7 4800h and 1650 ti, in gaming like Nier Automata, GtaV etc gets maximum 75 with cooler
@@corincristian5769 try a benchmark and see what i am talking about
Thanks for this awesome tip
@@marnoa606 Glad it was useful. You can also try performance mode thats what im using atm. My laptop gets abit noisy when im in turbo mode :)
He is saying don't buy this laptop
Meanwhile....he has put his affiliate link to buy this laptop...😂🤣
lol ikr . . .
i have this laptop its good
He gets sponsored. also his bad reviews are reverse physcology .
@@gurvanshsbrar9850 Hi. is it hot when you are gaming?
@@alitalebzadeh9318 Mine is fine gaming, watching TH-cam etc... with no issues 👍
Conspiracy theory: intel paid asus to make a terrible amd laptop
Nah, Asus always is hot garbage.
Given the latest situation, very likely
More like an extreme plot twist🤣
Wouldn't be so far fetched. Intel is losing quite a bit of market to AMD so they have to do something.
I loved Intel, and then my processor was slowed due to a security flaw.
I'll wait to see how things play out before I buy another Intel based laptop.
It seems like they're paying everybody, just like a few years ago. All Ryzen laptops have serious flaws, which the Intel chips don't
"How does ASUS save money?" - Not paying their engineers of course!
Or Intel is paying their engineers to purposely not make Ryzen shine
Do you have any source for that?
@@DAddy-iy9mu the statement is more of a joke "explanation" because it implies that asus didn't pay their engineers so the engineers didn't actually do their jobs.
Asus gets money from Intel to block the vents
DMV written test according to another comment is the intel model also runs hot.
The MSI is 500 bucks more expencive in my country , I'd buy the Asus and drill holes at the bottom of lol .
You can buy a back cover for it on the internet so you have 2 drill holes in 1 and keep the other one normal so you don't have problems with warranty and shit
Agreed bro
I own one you just got to keep the back up to get extra air flow than it's good
lol
That’s my boy I did the same thing bro and it’s works lol 😂
after watching many laptop reviews, I feel like all electronic companies just want to make good laptops with something wrong with them -.-
That's how it works, otherwise nothing could be improved in next versions. There is always a problem to improve in next models.
It's because they want people to buy their most expensive products which have everything so that they can earn more money.
It is to reduce the building cost and price tag to lure more buyers who did not know what exactly they get inside.
FHD 1080 IPS 144HZ is what they advertised and most ppl would be ok with it until they know it is not 100%Srgb...
Yep it's a consumers nightmare ,Manufacturer's knobble the midrange laptops so there high models look better.
Create a problem and sell the solution, the marketing technique of douchebags everywhere.
MSI GL 65 = 1600€
ASUS TUF A15 = 999€
In Germany.
I'd chose the ASUS TUF A15 anytime.
How about the new Lenovo Legion 5/5i?
funny thing. I placed a new batch of thermal paste on my a17 and the temps are no way near thermal throttling. Some how I feel like he is paid by MSI because of how great the tuf is price to performance.
@@theoc007 lol they shit on msi all the time, no way they are paid off
@ps5 is lit Good joke man!
@ps5 is lit Yea, yea ofc console peasant
I can't stop staring at the Technic Lego holding the Ryzen box.
The same
Me too .. 😬
Yea
Ikr!
Title: Don't Buy The Asus TUF Gaming A15
Me: *Buys it anyway*
Title: 👁👄👁
@Toughparth123 It's even better! 3 months in and it still feels like I've just unboxed it yesterday. Sadly I missed out on a recently newer A15 variant with the 2060;90whr version.
@Toughparth123 It handles pretty much any game you throw at it well, temps-wise after a bit of tweaks mine doesn't go beyond 80°c. It's a beast if I must say.
How's the battery life would you recommend it for school
@@oogabooga420 How is video display? I heard the quality isn't so good.
@@hoodhood007-4 I haven't gone into fully testing the battery life yet, as I've always kept mine plugged in ~set to 60% for maximum lifespan.
Though I've recently tried running it without plugging in.
Battery 60%
- Balanced power mode
- Better battery
Browser with 15+ tabs, music playing, lurking on reddit, and qbit seeding from external HDD connected.
It lasted about 2 hours (20% left)
Though if power mode was set to power saver, it could've lasted more I'd say, and that's just at 60%
The 90whr was one of the main reasons I got this for academics, adding to that is the 180w power brick which charges really fast.
15:15
GL65 is 8% faster
Plot twist: it's 8% more expensive
Display tho
has 8% more airflow
More than 25% price
More plot twist: 100% more airflow
@@sumanchhetri1809 yes
As always, Hardware Unboxed is risking their neck to uphold the best interest of the consumers.
Thank you Steve and Tim for the hard work.
I hope AMD finds out about this and penalise ASUS...
This is like a way too weak stock cooler you can't replace.
@@patricktho6546 they ain't gonna do that. Asus make loads of stuff that are AMD based
@@thepolticalone961 I am speaking of a fine, not a ban
@@patricktho6546 has anything like that happened in the industry? I do not really see the point in penalising a partner company for mucking up a product.
I don't know WTF Asus is doing with AMD, last time they screwed over the whole 5700 line they had. Put on the aluminium foil hats and say Intel pays Asus to screw over AMD LOL.
Why OEM these days almost all of them gimping AMD Ryzen 4000??? Either lower Display quality (high refresh rate but huge response time) on it's price compare to their Intel SKU, Low-Mid Tier GPU or design flaw ....
Smh
It has been well-known issue that 'blue' gave OEM incentives for downgrading AMD product's SKUs...
*see rog zephyrus G15 review, its air intake are blocked!*
To make 7nm amd based laptop in parity with 14nm intel when it comes to heat, performance and efficiency? I wonder why asus designed like this?
Think about it. If their budget laptop outperforms, runs cooler, has more battery life AND also has a comparable screen? Their top end products with Intel inside will NOT sell well. They need to gimp this beast or else they'll hurt their own sales. Very very scummy.
@@muhammadhanifkurnaen6689 yep, proves my point.
Him: don’t buy this
Me: is that a challenge, kind sir? *orders*
Is it good?
was it good? does it still work?
Heard about this channel from comments about this laptop in other videos. Quality content. Subbed.
Reviewers: "Asus has designed a laptop with several issues"
Asus: AMD is to blame
Or "Intel payed us to not make AMD look good. "
@@charliecorrea7133 Honestly only thing that makes sense for why they would purposely gimp a laptops thermal performance.
@@balce69
This is How Intel's Influence on Manufacturers CRIPPLE the New AMD Zen 3 Ryzen APUs..
By Combining it with LOWER-SPEC Hardware Components:
- Poor Thermal Solution Performance,
- Poor Display Quality,
- Lack of Modern I/O Ports,
- Weak Batteries,
- Bad Exterior Design,
- Shitty Keyboard Layout,
- etc..
We need to RIOT the Shit out of them in Order to Get Rid of this Systemic Downgrading..
Who's with me??
💪💪💪
@@siredward9568 Easy there Sir Edward, here in America we beat Rioters. Sadly.
@@siredward9568 #zenchipsmatter
Asus got the cooling design from Intel along with a bag of cash.
boycott ASSus!
Sadly previous versions from Asus that sported Intel CPU also have this shitty thermal design. Asus is just bad in these price ranges.
My asus laptop with intel CPU is thermal throttling all time because It doesn't have any heatpipes and it uses only a very tiny heatsink on CPU without any connection to the tiny fan
It's just product segmentation. It's like "Want more holes in laptop? Want better Display? Pay more for the Premium".
Why AMD fanboys loves to blame everything on Intel? This issue is clearly coming from Asus. They botched the cooling on their products especially on their cheap products. If you have zero experience with servicing laptops I got to tell you that there is a lot of Asus laptop model, no matter what the processor it has, having a really shitty Mac Book Air-esque "cooled by magic" cooler design. Even brand as shit as Asus nowadays like Acer never done that as far as my experience servicing their products.
I bought this laptop laptop after watching this video, and even bought 4900H for my friend, no regret whatsoever. These reviews take everything thing to end of the world situation..
What about performance and thermals now? I desperately want to buy 1 which is with 4600h and 1650 .No option in same price with such great configuration .Please relpy
@@mukunddakwe8309 in 6 month i don't have any issue with laptop. Even while playing heavy game i use a cheap ₹170 stand and never experienced thermal throttling.
So will i should go for it
@@mukunddakwe8309 www.amazon.in/Lenovo-IdeaPad-15-6-inch-Graphics-82EY00L4IN/dp/B08PV3DQCW this or tuf a15 whichever you find cheaper in stock. Buy any of two both are good.
edit: legion 5 is available with heavy discounts. That better build laptop.
@@ratneshkumarsingh448 is lenovo trustworthy?
Learned a few new things! Thanks a lot! Keep it up.
Thank you for confirming what I tried to explain in my A15 review 🙏 Some day I’ll have tools to provide response time evidence.
Hopeful Interpretation I think you have the wrong guy. I always talk about wattage, thermals and acoustics. I can’t recall a review where I didn’t.
I guess we have to wait for brands like XMG, Eluktronics, etc to make it right. Though I can no longer wait. Will probably get the Fusion aka Mag for being the overall better package
Just opened a three hexagons under each fan with a dremel. Average temperatures dropped around 8 deg.Celsius for cpu (88->82) and 10 deg.Celsius for gpu (80->70). Measured with HWiNFO during Fortnite game-play.
Cheers
Nice job dude! Warranty be damned!
@@andrewyoung4473 Lol
@@andrewyoung4473 You guys are getting WaRrAnTy?!
u should make tutorial about this and upload video on TH-cam 😁
Please don’t wooosh me but isn’t 88-82 = 6?
I was savin up to buy this. Thanks for the being informative.!
Hi I just came across your channel and this kind of content is really what I'm looking for. I like how unbiased your statements are and you people are willing to help out unaware consumers of the products their going to buy. I have a request and I will be delighted to see your opinions about the Acer Nitro 5 the i5 9300H GTX 1650 variant. This is a pretty old model considering this was launched last year and there are a lot of videos like these on TH-cam however I personally want to hear your own opinions since I really like the way how you broke down the pros and cons of the TUF GAMING A15
asus is messing up their TUF brand. it is like they made it to get people to buy ROG brand.
That would normally be the case, but even some of the RoG products have similar flaws.
The only TUF product I’ve heard any good of is their X570 board... everything else is failure after failure!
TUF has always existed to make the ROG products look good. TUF has never been good. They've always cut every corner while barely matching competitors specs but people buy it because it's Asus.
@@AMDeZani damn, dont scare me like that. does their gpu counted aswell?? i saw 1660S for a good price
ROG isn't any better. I've got a G501JW here - basically same issue - no air intakes and the notebook is melting under load. Performance is getting hammered when you actually game or put stress on cpu+gpu.
4:30 “I dont see this design save Asus in any cost whatsoever....”
Yeah, it save Asus from Intel as far as I see
most likely the case since the old intel Zephyrus lineup has better vents compared to the AMD 3rd gen zephyrus which has blocked vents making it hotter even though they have the same chassis
It is bad by design. It is destined to not compete with any more expensive or future products.
Intel: "Financial horsepower *wink wink*"
Asus: "Gotcha!"
Their own top end product pricing will be questionable if they let Ryzen work at full potential.
would be nice to see a reveiw of the newer models like the ASUS TUF Gaming A15 FA506QR to see if they have improved the design
Update : 2021. The 5800H+3060 Asus Tuf Laptop still hits 95°C. The issues are across products, there are reports of even their higher end laptops and pre-built PCs suffering from the same heating issues. Incompetence at its best.
I just bought one of these laptops, mainly for the MIL-STD-810H capability. I will be traveling with this laptop in various climates, namely construction sites with lots of sawdust and temperature variations. Some of the design considerations look to be specifically made to reduce infiltration, by using smaller openings and filter paper to block foreign material from entering the case. It may not be optimal for cooling the system, but if sand infiltrates into the fans, it would cause more heat issues in the long run. I understand there are things they could have done better, but based on their design decisions it looks like they were thinking of meeting the 810H standard. I just hoped more of these reviews would be more honest about reading the full claims the manufacturer specifies. I would like to know if this ACTUALLY meets the aforementioned MIL-STD-810H. If it meets the standard, I have no problem with the system getting "hot", as long as it "protects" its components by either slowing them down or speeding up the fans. I can find little to no reviews on covering this standard. I have seen on a few websites that it does meet the minimum of the standard, in essence it passes. I researched a variety of companies, but have only found one company that provided an 16+ cores/threads, a "high end" graphics card, and future upgradability. That company was ASUS, and only their TUF series. Other companies that offered 16+ cores/threads processors were either AMD graphics or overly heavy (extra layers added to meet the standard). Lastly, since I will be doing a lot of 3D CAD and SolidWorks designs for altering designs on-site, a "gaming" laptop with multiple processors was highly important. I would have went with a Nvidia Quadro graphics, but it was priced a lot higher, with less payback.
that made sense. but they should only fit it with lower power consuming processor and gpu, which produce lesser heat
@@ahsanihafizhushali Just because I will be working in a "hazardous" work environment does not mean I would want to be stifled with low grade parts. According to documentation, the system has a built in "fan cleaner" and will throttle when necessary, given certain work conditions. For instance, when working on a construction site in the winter, I do not see it throttling as much, but in the summer it may throttle a bit to deal with the excessive environmental heat. It is better to design a system that will spin up in favorable conditions, but save itself in unfavorable ones. That is why I would like to see some testing in various environments to verify the company's claims.
Yes, pretty much this. It's meant to comply with 810H that's why the intake and exhaust ports were designed this way. And as Dupre said, the system will throttle as necessary and won't be damaged by the high temperatures.
I was thinking the same way as you sir.. I work as designer, and need fast and strong machine in various climates and ofcourse with 'budget'friendly too. I think this machine with RTX version is fast enough to help me in constructuon site.. I also don't mind about heat since in the weather in construction site is hot either. Most important thing is no dust came in to the machine, and shock resistance.
I'm about to buy this for 3d CAD, sketch up, lumion and revit.
Would love to see ASUS CEO watching this and see the emails going to his colleagues :D
ASUS CEO: WTF GUYS, HOW DID THIS HAPPEN!
ASUS engineer: hold on, this whole operation was your idea
Asus CEO why, because we won't get processors from the other company if we re-enforce how bad they really are.
Pretty sure they had to gimp Ryzen or else Intel models would never sell hurting the company. These Ryzen chips are just so much better than Intel that they just can't be let lose without messing up the companies' entire product stack.
😂😂😂😂
@@Rhino123freak OEMs rely on Intel's marketing tricks for selling a laptop with higher profit. It is all because of people's mindset that AMD must be cheaper than Intel, no matter how better it is in performance.
My theory:
OEMs aren't ready for a chip of this calibre and they HAVE to intentionally gimp it. Why? Because if this Ryzen chip is allowed to work at its full potential, then their sales of Intel chipset laptops (higher end) will be heavily gimped. Customers will ask why is this expensive laptop performing worse and running hotter? It'll mess up their entire product lines and they won't be able to keep up. By intentionally choking Ryzen chips here allows them to price their products like they do and get that money
Or hear me out, just don’t buy a cheap laptop and expect the world from it. Surprising I know.
@@RustomH ASUS ROG G15 also has blocked air vents. It's not a cheap laptop.
Nah, this is just the typical lower-tier gimping. ASUS has done this for a good long while even on some of their lower-tier Intel laptops.
@@RustomH cheap? you call 1200 bucks cheap? O.o
@@NeXMaX I think we'll see similar intentional design choices in other OEM laptops.
If I remember correctly, even the Dell G5 SE runs terribly hot because of shitty thermal design.
So what do you recommend for the same price range?
And what do you think of the ASUS TUF FX505DT and ASUS TUF FX505DV, which are the earlier models
I bought this laptop(1660ti ver). Mostly playing Monster Hunter World and rainbow six siege. And sometime streaming my PS4 with elgato. Never regret my buying, no issue with thermal throttling what so ever. I think for me, it is a good buy.
Its a good criticism video tbh, showing the flaws bluntly and straight up, but they're minimal for me and the screen is good enough. I mean this lappy will never really leave my table so rarely any outdoor usage. Never had thermal throttling issues whatsoever.
i bought this too but unfortunately this is 60hertz and i missed it who can give me some morale
Hüseyin Umut AYRAN 60hertz? The screen? I got the 144hz model, tbh the gpu cant even push that high, 60hz is just okay. Dont worry to much.
Got my Asus tuf a15 ryzen 5 1660ti laptop yesterday and I'm sending it back due to it being really slow and getting really unstable fps in the few games I've tried so far (won't even play fortnite at epic settings have to use high and even then its not great. Also it overheats. Going to get the legion 5i core I5 rtx 2060 instead. Anyone have one of these?
Have u tried 4k video editing on this. If yes how does it performs ?
They might as well've used Intel inside stickers to block intake airflow lol
You are a legend.
one of the most underrated coments ever
just wait, TUF with Intel Core 10th series. I think Asus will fix most of these problems with that SKU (color, response time, thermal) just to make AMD looks bad.
Send me one of the a15s if you dont need it ❤
Damn😂
thats just sad get a job
MrDucky17 not that easy. Clearly you’re a minor
@@HamzaGamezz well if it isn't that easy then a gaming laptop should be the least of your priorities, just saying
@Michal Lašan where are you from??
for the heating would it be a good idea to drill some holes over the fans?
Fantastic report. I had my heart set in getting an ASUS A17 as opposedto the MSI GF75, partly becauseI like the look. I've been a Hardware Unboxed subscriber for a couple of years and value the content the channel provides. I'll now be looking much closer to the MSI.
Man, I have trusted Asus for years. They have broken my trust now.
How the hell did you do that? Other than motherboards they are one of the most untrustworthy brands out there!
@@makisekurisu4674 Even motherboards, some of their bioses for Zen 2 were straight up borked and untested for months
@@kendokaaa gigabyte all day for motherboards
All OEM's have do that, sell garbage on budget mobile laptop.
@@kendokaaa yeah their B450 ranges are absolute trash!
Throw a Dremel at that back cover. It should improve air flow.
too bad a dremel can't fix the shitty screen tho
the shitty screen still can be removed and replaced by a better one. It's not a easy as drilling holes but it's doable.
@@PainterVierax display connectors and drivers are proprietary they can't be swapped
Erdem With a bit of skills, connectors can be adapted.
Drivers for a display ? LOL since it's standard eDP or LVDS, a driver is completely useless if the new panel provides the same resolution.
@@PainterVierax true. but better screens cost a bit of money. at that point is it worth just buying a different laptop
Very nice and concise video !!! Is it out there another laptop with CPU 4800H and GPU 1660 ? any other recommendation ?
I was skeptical when I watched this review, i'm so thankful i just decided to try it out. (We have 14 days to return a product, no questions asked).
How much did MSI pay for this vid? Why would anyone /w a budget get a MSI when their systems only have intel?
Why do you think. Is intel the only thing that goes into a laptop? 🙄
@Wyatt Friedrich What did you decide? Did u return it? I tried it out at a store yesterday before I even saw this review, and I thought it was the best they had in the price range. Then I got home to check out the reviews and saw this video. I do agree there may be some greasing of palms involved here.... curious to hear what do u think, a month after your post.
@@someguy007 hi. how's ur new laptop? any quick reviews or complaints?
@@mbiason394 so far so great. Only thing that stood out so far is that the speakers are very quiet. Even my terrible hp has better sound. But I can just use headphones/speakers. Other than that I'm loving it so far.
Some guy any ghosting?
The review spends 20 minutes saying that the Asus chose a poor display and did a poor job cooling the circuitry. Cooling matters if you don't want to be heat throttled.and the display matters if you want accurate color and/or non blurring images.
Had you read this comment before watching the video you would know what's in the video and 20 minutes to do something else.
short and easy :)
7 mins in.. good thing i scrolled down, thanks
Thanks
I was reading the comments the whole time
Thank you so much. Can't listen to a robot for 20 mins.
From my experience, the design 'flaw' with the vents has been an issue with 'lower end' laptops across most manufacturers for a long time. Make it look like it has a lot of vents, flash fancy marketing images saying it has amazing ventilation, and people buy it thinking that they just might finally get a laptop that doesn't burn their lap only to be disappointed when it's just more of the same. I'm sure laptop manufacturers are fully capable of making a laptop under $1k that doesn't cook itself and its user, but doing every little thing you can to make them throw it away as soon as possible and buy something new just works too well.
I think I'm just gonna stop paying attention to new laptops entirely. Honestly, it just seems like if you're uwilling (or unable) to drop a couple thousand dollars or more then you may as well just sift through the clearance aisle and hope for the best.
Not saying you're wrong, but as a point of contrast, I bought an entry-level ThinkPad E495 laptop last year for less than USD 500 (converted), and it has absolutely no problem cooling itself. Granted, it only uses 15 W and the fan doesn't even need to turn on unless I run a prolonged workload, but even for a CPU with that TDP, it still has dual heatpipes and more than enough ventilation around both the fan and heatsink, and around the components themselves. Needless to say, at that price point, compromises were made, but nevertheless given the low price, I've nothing but good words about it.
It reminds me exactly of why it is that I got the strange thought in my head of turning an old suitcase-PC into a modernized portable desktop machine.
Because either the hardware is crippled, the cooling is crippled, the display is crippled, the chassis is crippled - or a combination of any of them.
yeah, fuck off i'm not buying
@@chuuni6924 i would be really surprised if a 15 watt cpu was overheating. It does not take much to cool it
gaming laptops should not be on your lap.
That's seem to be just how OEM treat budget gaming laptop, does seem to be the same across all OEM. They either charge more for better cooling or put in lower tier chip for the same price or sacrifices something else. Just gotta pick your poison. Just hope that at least these laptop can still last for at least 4/5 years with decent performance
I have a question, I'm gonna try to buy a spare bottom plate so that I can modify it for more airflow without voiding my ipr, was wondering if maybe you or anyone in the chat here might know the best place to get things like that???
I tried eBay but the laptop is too new to find parts for on there.....
if the asus tuf gaming a15 is bad, then what is your recommended alternative at a similar price point if not cheaper to it?
Didn't they do a similar thing to the ASUS ROG Zephyrus G15? Where the air vents directly over the fans were covered by a plastic sheet?
yeah I had a GA502 with R7 3750h and that had exactly the same problem. Bottom panel was mostly covered and the laptop throttled itself in gaming. I wonder if it's being done on other AMD powered gaming notebooks.. would be good to look into it in more depth.
Harmz Singh It actually is! If you look at the Zephyrus M15, which has an intel CPU, that one has the same back panel but without blocked air vents
Asus likes to botch their AMD laptops, i guess. there's older type of their AMD laptop that also botched compared to the Intel version
@@brendonlim6327 im about to preorder zaph m15, would that be ok? Need a suggestion, ty mate
Damn I've been falling in love with the g15, but this is making me reconsider. Is the plastic sheet removable in any way? I really wanted to go AMD because their CPUs are just better, but the m15 doesn't seem to have this problem so what, I'm not forced to go intel?
Asus keeps messing up
implying this wasn't engineered in on purpose. Asus pocketed a fancy sum for this stunt, i hope AMD cuts them off as they are and have long been scumbags.
The g14 works well. I haven't had any problems with mine yet. Granted it came in in yesterday, but it's been stunning. I am going to be testing things out but so far the g14 is a very competitive option expecally when you account for it being a 14" laptop
I think this was done to meet the military grade toughness requirements
why you did not mentioned the vent on the top of the keyboard?
Hi,
Great review.
So which are other good alternative options in this price range? How ablut Rog Zephyrus g15 Ga502
Wow another Asus AMD product that's got terrible thermals? Who'd have thought. Let me guess they'll blame AMD on this one too.
Yeah... AMD must have given them the wrong torque spec for the bottom cover screws... SMH... 😅
"AMD didn't pay us enough" lol
"AMD made us block the vents!"
Amd did say that this cpu needs less cooling... so we desided to block 90% of air intake... so it is AMDs fault!
"AMD marketed this chip as being very efficient, so we thought there wasn't any need to get proper vents. Apparently, AMD overhyped the efficiency of Zen 2 mobile processors. We apologize for the inconvenient."
Amd made amazing cpu´s that perform way better than the competition with less power and we see companies just sabotaging those products. This is infuriating and evil. AMD needs to star making their own full notebooks... that´s the only way to ensure a good product.
Your right, AMD is providing a great CPU but the end result is a mixed bag due to other OEMs.
yes Amd should come up with a reference design for their laptop like old google nexus series phones and pair with an oem to manufacture it that would teach these oems some lesson.
Intel invidia Cartel.
Can you do a video about ROG Strix G? I wanna know the cons of it
Awesome review. Keep up the good work 💜
I was gonna buy this, too:(
Your profile picture and your comment are relatable
Dodged a bullet with this one. Was just about to order this today too.
Honestly, the display turned me off when I saw the reviews
@@somevisitor1316 damn you.. tom and Jerry all time classic.
@@MrBangijal I could live with bad display, but when I see bad thermal design... Well it looks like Asus doesn't even bother
Rip Asus... Poorly designed GPU’s, now laptops? What’s going on.
@Mina Besali old Asus was good
asus also makes poor quality monitors ,sells at premium price
Apple-like marketing for the ill-informed. Crazy that it works!
Thy fixed their GPU didn't they?
everope Only when people called them out on it, and even then, for the Strix 5700XT, they tried to at least shift part of the blame to AMD for their guidelines, even though other AIBs have the same guidelines but have zero issues with their 5700XTs
The Strix was also overpriced. The Sapphire Nitro+ was less expensive and performed better across the board.
If u like change the refresh rate of the display to 60 or 90, will the response time decrease?
I mean u get a response time of around 20ms in a 60hz display. What will u get at 60hz on a 144hz display?
Wat is your take on the new model with amd Ryzen 7 and rtx 3070?
Thanks for keeping up the great content
Something is fishy here, the AMD based Zephyrus G15 has its fan vents blocked. I think there might be an Intel engineering working at ASUS!
Actually, most of their lower-tiered laptops are designed like that, even Intel powered ones.
My GL502 has the exact same flawed design. I’m baffled that it’s only taken until now for people to take notice.
most likely the same design from their old bottom cover from the ga502du since the air vents is also blocked compared to the intel versions which aren't blocked
But why?
A lower performance part should obviously draw less power and give off less heat. So it should obviously run cooler in the same chassis with the same cooling.
If it doesn't, they botched something.
I think own or disown contacted Asus about the g15, and they claimed thr covered vents are to redirect air across other areas of the motherboard, improving passive cooling there are the cost of gpu and CPU. Even if that's the case, it's obviously a bad solution.
Hell, even my old laptop from ASUS (intel cpu) has its vents blocked. I had to take the whole damn thing apart to unblock it, and "magically" temps improved by 20°C+
I am so glad I stumbled upon this video. I really desperately needed a laptop for my work as my current 6 year old laptop is barely clinging to life, and this laptop looked like an ideal investment on paper. Matter of fact, I was planning on taking out a loan to buy it as I currently don't have the full amount and planned on paying off the installments over the next couple years. I honestly can't thank you enough for saving me a couple years of depression. I guess I'll wait a little more for better Ryzen 4th gen laptops.
Hi, thanks for your honest opinions on the A15. I actually bought an Asus F17 with core i-5 11400H and RTX3050, and I can report that the air intakes are improved (similar to your "cuts") It was very well priced, so I wasn't too picky, but thanks to your video I was able to seal the area around the radiators under the cover, and therefore improved cooling a lot. It's still a HOT laptop (in a bad way...), but at least it doesn't sound like a starting jet. I think Asus chose to keep the temps high to keep the fans as quiet as possible, even in turbo mode.
Please review the Dell g5 15 se that has the all AMD hardware.
OWNorDisown did
@@faisalhaider007 and it seems like that the g5 is not a good option too
In the Dell's case, all Intel's money was spent on uglyfying the design and ultra heavy plastic. They are already selling them, but until now, there're no compelling independent reviews out there. Really looking forward to a review from Tim.
@@saxtremer I saw dave2d's review but since HUB has a more educated take, I want a second opinion. But it seems it might take AMD a generation cycle to get the trust of laptop OEMs.
I was actually interested in the A15 laptop but after this video there is no way i'm buying it, I will just wait for a different Ryzen laptop.
Same. Instead I'm buying the Eluktronics RP-15
Yep, same here.
This.
I am building a PC instead..
@@gurman241 I already built a PC. Hard to find good parts right now at MSRP but you'll love it man! And I'm with all you here.. I was eager to get the A15 and now I'm like nooo about to binge watch GL65 and GP65 reviews!
Wish all reviewers as willing to call out these companies as you.
You've won a new subscriber for that. Keep going!
Have they improved the quality in their 2021 edition? Please share your thoughts.
/tinfoil hat
Paid by intel??? Seriously though, it's absolutely bizarre, I really cannot understand the cooling design at all.
ASUS are gonna milk the Ryzen hype with a trash product. Just consider the A15 as an Apple product, you'll get the idea.
Oh, and intel are definitely helping, the better part of their money should come from laptop chips (as people prefer smaller systems + the fact that every desktop is Ryzen now).
i'm guessing maybe their market research shows them most ppl aren't gonna care about these obvious shortcomings since not everybody buying gaming laptop is a very informed power-user. :shrug:
You should check out apples MacBook air cooling system or lack thereof... I feel like we're about to be fully in the age of intentional design flaws.
Nothing to do with Intel at all. ASUS has been designing their lower-tiered laptops like this for a while now.
Baffling that Hardware Unboxed has been the only one so far to actually bring attention to this, since everyone else is praising it so much.
And the cpu is doing all the cooling by itself because it's more efficient and have 2c4t more it's so sad I tough ASUS is our saver .Imagine that 10750H with that cooling it will chock to death
Asus have fallen from grace in recent times.
Nope, their flagships or higher end Intel gaming laptop is still damn good. They actually purposely choke the cooling for the sales on their Intel laptop.
nah, they've always been anticonsumer scumbags, their low and mid ranged motherboards have long been a study of engineered kneecapping. Asus is as corrupt as a company gets, fitting they would do this to the company not paying them hundreds of millions to hobble competing vendors.
Good news is nvidia will likely be as pissed off about this stunt as amd, they are no friends of the big blue demon.
@@anasevi9456 It's still infinitely better than Apple!
The moment you mentioned australia you got a new sub love it
Damn, I was really keen on this laptop, especially since it seems to have better specs than the G14 or G15.. How does the previous gen compare? The FX505DV? :/
i have that exact laptop its processor cant handle shit ,it goes to 100% while playing pubg and i experience frame drops in it
In India they reduced ram size to 8 gig... Battery 48w...😂😂
You shit in the streets, 8gb is all you need.
Selling this garbage on amazon for 98k... disgusting... :/
In Germany too
@@shauryasingh1624 and no r5 4600h + gtx 1660 ti variant
4800h+1650 ti for 79k
and 4800h+1660ti for 98k
weird af pricing
Take legal action against asus in india😠😠
Why dont laptop makers just put a large open vent with anti-dust mesh covering it?
Many laptop OEMs do this, because it's obvious and makes sense. Or at the very least they put the vent over the fan so it can intake directly. Asus didn't get the memo obviously
Because that'd be sensible. ASUS clearly doesn't know what's sensible.
@@Hardwareunboxed You just don't get it. This design is engineered and tested. It is supposed to be like that as intended, by asus.
I have this laptop for one year now and its great! no heat problems! its really good!
Thanks man, really helpful!
I can't stress enough the importance for us customers of serious, comprehensive tech review channels like you guys or Gamers Nexus. Bad products like this one have to be exposed, so as we don't end making a purchase we later regret (especially in countries like mine where refunds or RMA are difficult and/or expensive).
A few days ago I saw the review of this laptop on another well known "serious" tech channel that mentioned the low quality of the screen, but on the other hand praised the cooler design from ASUS just because "the temperatures were below throttling level" while at the same time complaining on the fan noise... Even then, the bad quality of the screen was not stressed enough, saying it was "ok for gaming" and not good only for content creation.
Keep up the good work guys, your content is amazing not only for the technical reviews and sensible buying guides, but also for entertainment. Cheers from Uruguay!
i spent like a year looking at reviews before i got my laptop, and i still love it 2 years later. one of few 8th gen laptops with 2 m.2 slots, and the 1070mq still runs everything like a champ. the CPU does love running hot as balls though
Very well outlined, thanks.
We need names of that other channel
Name the other channel
Brad Haines are you referring to Digital Foundry? I agree, DF got this one wrong. Tbf I’d rely on DF’s opinion when it comes to graphics, game engines, and gaming performance analysis. I wouldn’t use them for laptop reviews. I don’t blame you however for trusting them since the majority of their content is very detailed and thorough, but they’re not on the same level as Hardware unboxed.
ASUS again 🙄. Makes me confident never to buy any ASUS product again.
Yeah they just half a so much stuff these days. They try to put up some fake premium branding but can't deliver that when it comes to hardware.
I got two zephyrus laptop, no one end well. Spend tons of time dealing with BS customer service. One CS mail came one and a half months after I sent the ticket.
Yea, I wouldn't buy an ASUS product, shows they don't give a hoot about quality.
try zephyrus g14 ;) that is the shit
bruh, you never bought acer if you re this pissed off by asus
I was really planning to get this because of the tempting low price, but you got great points, I'll have to think twice.
BTW can you give me some info about a17? It's also tuf, but bigger
I got the A15 my buddy bought the a17. They both have the same layout pretty much, just at the moment theres no A17's with 2060's. If you don't need ray tracing it really doesn't matter though.... I get about 220 FPS at high settings in CSGO. My temps dont go above 90 when playing it even if I have played it for like 3 hours, and thais is all while using it ontop of the cardboard box it came with. The only reason I bought it over anything else with the ryzen chips is simply because it is the only one with upgradable ram for both slots, none of this solder BS......
Hi wich one would you recomend between the asus, hp pavilion gaming and the acer nitro 5?
Are you gonna make a video of expanding the ventilation holes to its full capacity? I recommended my friend this laptop because it's awesome spec for the price range....
Feels bad now
I want a video of someone trying to fix this with a dremel
giuseppe filippone der8auer? xD
I might do that with my A17
@@homewardboundphotos id suggest buying a 3rd party bottom panel for that
@Zieg usually sites like alibaba or aliexpress. but given how new the laptop is, I'm not entirely sure with the availability
What camera you use ? Top sharp image !!!
does that apply on ASUS TUF A 17 too ?
that some good investigating, thanks for running the tests with the bottom cover off.
When I first saw the bottom of this laptop from youtube reviews, I thought it was just a sample and not the retail product coz someone forgot to cut the holes underneath.
eyomme1 maybe They just indeed did forget it ;)
Concept artis:”This is the consept for the bottom of the laptop.” Geo:”Looks good, just start mass production...”
Hi there,
Appreciate your time and knowledge. Which laptop would you recommend for around $1300? I need it for Music Production and Video Editing.
Thanks a lot!
Asus : made cheap high performance laptop
TH-camr : Don't buy!!!!
Apple : made expensive mac
TH-camr : Take my money!!!!
TUF must stand for The Ultimate Flaw or something similar. otherwise, they shouldn't make product like that.
Still rocking the TUF Z97 Mk1 on my desktop. Zero problems
The Ultimate Fuckery
Go check HB's first TUF lineup of the 5700xt....
The Ultimate Foolish
@@claritoresdiano1021 The Ultimate Foolish Hero
Ahhh remember when I was kiddo, $1300 laptop isn’t “midrange”.. those beautiful days....
funny how 1300 bucks is a budget laptop these days, really if people don't need the mobility desktop is the way to go
a 500 USD laptop is what I call a budget laptop, because its Ryzen 3000 cpus and Vega graphic can do everything that you need, just a little bit slower.
also Desktop is way cheaper, a 500 USD desktop is already an entry-level Gaming PC, and if you compare to laptop, 500 USD is a budget laptop.
welcome to corporate brainwashing. no one is immune.
Man, this video convinced me to buy this laptop
Edit: Thanks for making the review. It really helped in the decision process. I do not care that much about the color gamut. And thermal performance sounds good to me as I will rarely push it as you do in gaming , I’m using it basically to run FDTD simulations. Hopefully, I’ll remember an give an update. Again, thank you!
Update?
So as an update: so far this laptop has performed really well for me. I expanded the RAM to 32 GB (2x16) and added a second 1 TB m.2 drive. The fact that you can do these upgrades easily is very nice. As for simulations, everything has been great running simulations on both CPU and GPU. I have wrote a couple scripts that take advantage of multi cores to make calculations and it has been awesome the Ryzen processor is truly amazing. On both simulations and my own scripts temperatures of CPU and GPU stayed under 70 degrees Celsius . I did run a couple of games on it just to try it out and the thermal performance there could be an issue, running The Witcher 3 at 60 FPS I saw CPU temperatures of 91 degrees Celsius and at 30 FPS I saw temperatures around 75 degrees Celsius. Hopefully this is helpful. Cheers
@@danielgr95 ..thanks brother...
@@danielgr95 is that r7-4800H 3050 4gb?
I was planning on buying this laptop, the Ryzen 9 one, I've only seen negative reviews from this video but should I be worried about purchasing this? I've seen online there are ways to improve the cpu temps
Make a Guide to " modify " the laptop back plate to get 100% of the performance, great work!!!
1. Cut the perimeter of those hexagons with extreme care
2. Install a mesh panel on the inside that covers all the hexagonal openings
3. Profit
@@thelegendaryklobb2879 4. Loose the warranty.
Seriously, I'm thinking about modding my cooling pad so that the laptop fits perfectly and then off we go with the backplate.
Hopefully a tutorial will be posted by someone. Really disappointed by the thermal design. My order will be coming at the end of month and it can't be cancelled anymore geez.
@@ianjasperona3576 download more cooling instead more ram.
@@thelegendaryklobb2879 Just waiting someone do that, create secondary mod cover for ASUS TUF A15 then upload final result.
Did you conduct experiments or did you do cfd simulations to see air flow and heat teansfer characteristics? If not what do heck you know to call it flaw?
Exactly
They're benchmarkers, you idiot. They know what they're talking about. They did test it, see their other video where they improve temperatures by cutting vents into the bottom.
Great Video as Always to informative.😎
I am looking for a laptop around 700 dollars! Any suggestions
Thanks Tim, narrowly avoided having this on my shortlist for a 3060 packing model. (Arris - Techspot).
Can you please do a similar video or a review on the new Dell G5 SE with all AMD components?
I'm not sure if you'll see this but, what if you make more vents for the cooling. Like forcefully open the plastic, would it cause any serious damage (other than the backplate ) or increase the amount of dust entering?
This is a very good and detailed video. Instead of just going through the specs that most videos do, you actually analysed the built of the laptop itself, which is highly appreciated. Great Work!
Right more people need to do this level of good work.
"swing a perspective buyer to something else", i have been swung. with bad cooling system and a bad display, i am out
I hope that one day you would create a video about the coolest laptops or laptops with the most vibrant displays. i think viewers need that kind of information as it is hard to decide which one is better without getting a hands on experience. it is great to have review videos like these. otherwise we would have been faced with bad purchase decisions