So, uhh, UFO Sanae B does actually shoot four frogs straight forward, not just two. In fact, she shoots six frogs in total, making her shotgun attack *insane.* If you pause a gameplay video (or even THIS video), you can actually count all six frogs.
Oh damn, you're right, I always failed to see them amidst the chaos and Sanae's regular shots, but there they are! You'd think I'd have picked it up in editing, but there we are. Cheers for the insight.
this video is such an amazing labor of love for Touhou, like once I saw the first few minutes I knew I was gonna have to sit down and watch the whole vid. I loved how you talked about the games and your opinions and actually explained the shot types in depth with jokes and shit intertwined with the reviews (+ its really helpful since I haven't played most shots after a certain point cuz I started using only marisa in recent games 🙏🙏)
I'm so glad you enjoyed! This was months of work in the evenings after my day job so it's great to see folk like you are getting something out of it. I appreciate you spending a little of your time to watch this vid.
A note about the Phantasmagoria games: Reimu, Rikako and Yumemi in PoDD, as well as Medicine and Aya in PoFV, have EX Attacks that for some reason or another confuse the AI and can cause it to die before it's supposed to (just in case you didn't know, AI opponents have hidden timers telling them when to get hit on purpose). This is generally agreed in the player base to make those characters overpowered in story mode and thus would elevate their tier placements. ❤
I'll admit I was perhaps less than diligent in my efforts with the versus type games than I should have been, heheh. I'm openly preferential to the typical single player arcade style entries of the series.
I always thought cirno winter was the best combination for th16, thats the one that helped me get one of my only 2 lunatic clears. The lasers from winter mean you’ll deal good damage to whatever’s in front of you, making shotgunning less of a necessity but moreso a chance to do even more damage. That combined with the really long release that increases damage means you can completely melt away some boss spells. Ig at that point you could just pick marisa summer but idk, the summer subseason always felt really weird to use in comparison to cirnos main shot. Idk maybe im not one to talk you clearly have more experience with shot types
@real_kel Don't sell yourself short, I ain't even touched HSiFS Lunatic. I'm a Normal kinda guy, it's why this list was written with Normal 1CCs in mind and not an all-difficulties comprehensive analysis (which would have probably extended this video from 1 hour 40 to 70 days). Ultimately this is all just my opinion, if you have a different approach that's perfectly valid.
Ayo really really good video, master spark eosd will always be number 1 in my heart Love when the algorithm blesses me with a channel that clearly deserves more views keep it up, praying for you success bro
i think you might be sleeping on UM Sanae - the only Hard Mode 1CC I've gotten. Her shots are super-powered up by Saki, but I think the biggest thing is what Byakuren's card does to your Bomb. It like triples the duration and power of Sanae's bomb, highly recommend giving it a try. IIrc I usually combined it with Sakuya's Ricochet Knives and Miko's C card.
Oh, I generally sleep on Byakuren's bomb buff, and figured it'd probably be redundant on Sanae, but hey, one of the beautiful things about UM is that it'd take years to do every potential run with every potential item combo. I'll definitely have to give Saki/Byakuren Sanae a go some time.
So, I just 1CC'd Sanae with a run that started with Saki passive, Byaku bombs and Marisa Hakkero. Then I went Magatama, Centipede, Yuyuko Passive, Kanako Snek, and Haniwa Clear, a build I shall christen 'Protecc to Attacc'. The goal is simple; use all the clearing and Sanae's general reliability to go no-hit as long as possible, snowballing Saki's passive and the Hakkero laser with centipede passive. But for when I inevitably face a skill issue, at least the centipede reset will be worth it seeing as... if you bomb just before a spell start with the Byaku-bombs as Sanae, you can basically get a free capture just from the sheer bomb duration. Legitimately nutty. Thanks for the build idea!
I agree with most of your rankings except one big disagreement on DDC Sakuya A. This shot is frankly broken in my opinion, and would be the best in the game if troll Marisa A wasn't also there. Her focused shot has insane power, and you can accelerate the explosion of knives faster by unfocusing. This can easily trivialize most hard stage portions and she casually murder bosses. Also, enemy shoot far less bullets if at least one knife is stuck on them. This may seem minor but is a life saver in Lunatic against some of the hardest spell cards of that game. It's very noticeable against Kagerou, and, to a comical level, Blue Lady Show (Raiko's time spell). Against others it's less visible but still present and you'll definitely feel the difference on Lunatic. Basically she's a homing shot with crazy damage and that makes the game easier. One of the very best shots in the franchise tbh. Easier to use than Reimu A, faaaar better bomb and similar power. Also you're massively underselling her bomb. It's great for survival against bosses and it can milk stages for life pieces, because you can get 1 autocollect + 3 bomb fragments out of it. If you get a life fragment, you're net positive in bombs when you use it. It also lasts fairly long so you can also use it to get 2 autocollects.
Oh man, I didn't know about the bullet reduction thing, probably because I haven't played DDC lunatic and just didn't notice while on Normal. I do think the bomb is good, but yeah, I didn't realise the shot reduction thing. Thanks for the insight!
As someone who also did an all shot ranking (but still hasn't made a video about it), I'd like to put in my two cents. While you did the ranking based on how much you liked the shot, my list is more about how good a shot is to get an easy clear in its respective game. While HRtP doesn't have a traditional shot type, it does have two routes. Makai has easier bosses while Jigoku has easier stages and more opportunities to get lives from score. I still don't know which is easier but I'd say Jigoku. SoEW ReimuB is actually the best shot in the game as her bullets are quite good, the speed is perfect and like you said, Full Power is a beast. She makes the Extra Stage completely trivial if you do a cheese strat of dying 2 times at the start to get 3 bombs and because of homing bullets you only need to spend one before the boss. In the main game (and we're talking Lunatic here) she's also great, as ReimuA is a bit too fast for my liking and Yellow Power has a bad range which doesn't hit anything and ReimuC decimates bosses but suffers on Stage 4 and actually requires a gameplan route. Yumemi is ranked a bit too low as she's capable of really messing with the AI by using her charge attacks making her one of the easier characters to beat the game as. EoSD Marisa suffers from the surprisingly uncontrollable high speed and very narrow spread which makes her difficult to play as and this isn't the case in other games. However I fully agree with the ranking. ReimuB still the best. I'd say IN Marisa was the best of all as she felt the strongest and completely decimated the entire game with her high power. Master Spark was also still a good bomb. In her modern incarnation not only did she lose her piercing lasers but Master Spark really stopped dealing good damage. It is now completely outclassed by every other bomb. The only thing going for it now is it's length. Yukari is also much better than expected, with high damage and usefulness. I accidentaly did a No Miss Hard 1cc with her. If we take the shot out of the game it's in, then LoLK Reimu is the best Reimu. She basically stayed the same from 2015 up until now except with one major difference: since HSiFS all shots have the same hitbox size. Reimu, how she is now, is able to completely destroy stage portions with homing and obliterate bosses with needles while still having an impressive range. She's easy unlike every other shot. With a smaller hitbox it's even easier to dodge all the bullets. While we're talking about LoLK & difficulty, there's a major change in usefulness between Sanae & Reisen. Reisen is more suited for Easy & Normal as there's not that many bullets and her shield makes getting graze easier while Sanae exceeds on Hard & Lunatic where you can just bombspam and earn infinite lives with grazebombing while also having better damage and range. With Reisen you actually have to dodge on higher difficulties while the reverse is true for Sanae. I fully agree that Youmu Wolf is peak. It's the strongest shot ever and it obliterates everything with ease. I never understood the love for Otter. I played Youmu Otter once and it was the worst Otter shot of them all. Your Touhou 19 verdicts might be outdated as you're clearly playing v1.00a when v1.10c came out a while age and solved most of the problems. To quickly summarise: Reimu got nerfed to oblivion, Marisa was and still is one of the strongest with a new C2, Sanae is even better, Ran stayed the same, Aunn is even better, Nazrin is now semi-competent (definitely better), Seiran has better C2, Orin now deals damage, got a new C2 and is actually competent, Tsukasa got her spell fixed, Mamizou is still bad, Yachie is OP, Saki is still useless (should be in the WHY? Tier), Yuuma is even more OP than before, Suika still obliterates everything, Biten got buffed, Enoko stayed almost the same, Chiyari got nerfed but she's still very dangerous, Hisami is the worst shot in the game, can't hit anything and has terrible enemies in the Story and Zanmu is even more OP than she was. All in all, while I don't agree with every placement here, I respect your ranking and the video was entertaining. Mima is still the best shot ever and HRtP Reimu can solo all of them with the touch of a finger.
Yeah, I'll admit I wasn't factoring stuff like scaling with difficulty into account, and didn't realise 19 had a balance patch... that still made Saki suck. Man, feels bad for the Keiga Clan. Thanks for taking the time to watch my video and leave such thoughtful remarks. We clearly differ on a lot of things, but that's what makes touhou great; it's a simple series that encourages many different playstyles and preferences.
@@MattJDave Difficulty doesn't really matter in most cases because if a shot is good on Easy, it will be good on Lunatic. It's just a few distinct cases that really matter. I haven't even really formed an opinion on PoDD's shots except Mima & Yumemi as they all play and feel the same and the game is really RNG with winning ald losing. Sometimes a worse shot forces you to play better in order to just beat the game, leading to a much more high quality run than let's say MoF MarisaB at 3.00 Power.
@BWF6_Official Can certainly vouch for that last point. MoF Marisa B isn't fun because the game just isn't a game any more. But MoF Reimu C, despite not... particularly being good, is very fun because of the unconventional strats you have to pull. Similarly, my only DDC Sakuya B Normal 1CC feels like the most beautiful run I ever pulled despite it being a dreadful shot lol.
I was just about to comment about what a crime it was to rank pofv youmu that low before seeing the rest of the section. Also pofv is peak i wont allow any slander of it in these halls.
You underestimate PoFV Youmu and downplay her slash A LOT. "Decidedly meh" is just straight up wrong. It erases bullets in front of you and is very spammable, making her a great defensive character. The slash does in fact do your taxes.
Don't worry, I had a whole youtuber apology section straight after. Please forgive me, I will endeavour to do better next time and never call out Youmu's election fraud again. (jokes aside, as someone who primarily plays normal I think I just don't put as much stock into bullet erasure as a person playing the harder difficulties tbh. I consider it too slow to be spammable but given it's... bullet erasure, making the charge time any quicker would be broken)
@@MattJDave I 1cc'd PoFV on Normal on my second try ever with Youmu because I was able to just spam the slash to cut bullets and hardly put as much skill into dodging as I would otherwise need to. She makes the game easier somewhat, not nearly as much as the cheese shottypes that glitches the AI but still.
@@Shyguymask Hey that's fair. We're allowed to have different opinions on it, it just never vibed with me in particular. But ye I noticed a few people considered my ranking of PoFV Youmu to be unfair to the point I had to point it out mid-video, lol.
My memories as Easy-Normal player disagree with many statements. In SoEW Reimu-B is best. You are not supposed to collect every item with it. You are supposed to survive longer which makes 1cc much easier than with Reimu-A. MS Yuuka is very nice shot-type just to clear the game. MS is quite balanced overall, no outliers. EoSD Reimu-A saves more lives during stages than any advantage Reimu-B offers. Besides, "Fantasy Seal" is just better bomb. You never need to clear the entire screen, clear where you need and have longer invulnerability time. PCB Reimu-A is mostly same, but better. Sakuya-B though just the hardest to get Normal 1cc. With MoF Reimu-A I got Normal 1cc first try. Can't say the same about other shot-types despite I tried it after that. SA Reimu-C is peak. Marisa-C is decent for survivability, can't say 1cc was any harder than with other shot-types. UFO Marisa-B is probably worst in entire series. It just doesn't work for Normal 1cc unless you are already good enough to play on Hard. But this is different story. TD Sanae is better than Youmu at the very least. The latter shot-type works well only if you are able to get close safely. Because a single loss of life becomes a big deal in TD. In LoLK I managed to get Normal 1cc with all shot-types. However, this game turned me into lunatic and I can't give assessment as normal player for later games. Anyway, Reimu and Sanae are decent, Marisa is the hardest, Reisen is equivalent to Easy Mode.
@@IvanBaAl961 It seems you prioritise simply getting through the game. My ranking is much more based on game feel and general fun (that I have). That's why I consider spread shots to generally be rough; it's just kinda boring to me, and why I consider PCB Sakuya B really fun despite the high skill floor. You seem to have a much more functional outlook to the games than me, but hey, that's fine.
There is no world where TD Sanae is better than TD Youmu for survival and getting through the game. TD Sanae's damage is so low that it actively makes the game more difficult compared to when playing with Youmu, who has comparable horizontal range and drastically higher damage. Her vertical range at 4 power also covers almost the whole screen.
@@Shyguymask Sanae is better shot-type in TD than Youmu. That's what my experience tells and you can't argue with it. Youmu was quite good until Miko, but terrible at final boss fight.
Didnt include all the fangames. Lazy and incomplete! =p. Aeriously though, didnt finish vid yet, just finished pcb so far. That said Christmas tree Marisa is peak marisa for me. Laser marisa just felt so much weaker on bosses from what I recall.
i don't really know if there's a point to making a tier list since it's pretty hard to compare shot types from separate games. for example, lls marisa A in a vacuum would easily be one of the best shots, but because her own game is so easy, there's not much of a gap in the effort required to 1cc between her and reimu B hrtp wasn't included but jigoku is definitely easier than makai. kikuri is the only hard part of jigoku and it's just her opener reimu B is easily the best soew shot cause of her versatility. she's fast enough to macro, her shot is narrower than A's so she doesn't get hit as hard by power loss, and homing deals surprisingly good damage. most importantly she also has the longest lasting bomb. C is awful at macro while A's damage output falls off a cliff from power loss the only worthwhile podd shots are reimu, yumemi and rikako since the ai is pretty bad at dodging their attacks. reimu can easily counter bosses, a spammable charge attack that covers most of the screen and deals a lot to bosses pointblank, and her trance has piercing. yumemi can macro easily, has a powerful charge attack and destroys the ai the fastest. rikako is just yumemi but worse outside of her charge attack and trance but a discount yumemi is still very good marisa doesn't really do anything to the ai and can't even shoot or bomb during her charge attack. she also can't shoot during trance, making it weaker than it should be. she's not as bad as chiyuri though who has the same problems, on top of having to dodge a million snowballs because her boss shoots a ton of those, which the ai can reflect with ease. her rival also happens to be kotohime, an absolute nightmare to face thanks to her micro patterns. chiyuri is so awful that her 1cc is considered the hardest in the series, rivaled only by ddc sakuya B i'm not sure why mima is peak since she has the obvious weakness of having the worst bomb in the series: it only lasts a second and deals nonexistent damage, though she's still the best overall. for some reason the manual states marisa is the strongest at full power, but her damage is only slightly higher than reimu's at a distance and doesn't benefit from pointblanking. her bomb is also only half a second longer than mima's and prevents shooting. i would honestly argue her to be the worst for 1cc yuuka's kinda slept on since her pointblank damage is the same as mima's, and you get many opportunities to pointblank in ms in spite of her speed or lack of, making her the 2nd fastest at killing bosses. she also has the longest lasting bomb which makes pointblanking easier. her only weakness is her slow speed which only matters for lnb as she's pretty bad at yumeko not gonna bother discussing windows since the series peaked with ms
While explaining the joke is unfunny and lame, it's essentially a reference to the weird glitchy things Merlin can do in PCB (her laser can desynchronise and even keep going after being defeated in PCB). This, along with her bizarre playable appearance in PoFV led me to make her the representative of the weird, outlying, or glitchy shots.
All but LoLK Reimu, Marisa, and Sanae (and of course PoFV Merlin and Lunasa don't actually have a story mode to 1CC). Otherwise yes, I've 1CC'd all of them on at least Normal; 121/124 ain't bad. I ain't an exceptional hitless lunatic player but I've played the games for a while.
So, uhh, UFO Sanae B does actually shoot four frogs straight forward, not just two. In fact, she shoots six frogs in total, making her shotgun attack *insane.* If you pause a gameplay video (or even THIS video), you can actually count all six frogs.
Oh damn, you're right, I always failed to see them amidst the chaos and Sanae's regular shots, but there they are! You'd think I'd have picked it up in editing, but there we are. Cheers for the insight.
this video is such an amazing labor of love for Touhou, like once I saw the first few minutes I knew I was gonna have to sit down and watch the whole vid. I loved how you talked about the games and your opinions and actually explained the shot types in depth with jokes and shit intertwined with the reviews (+ its really helpful since I haven't played most shots after a certain point cuz I started using only marisa in recent games 🙏🙏)
I'm so glad you enjoyed! This was months of work in the evenings after my day job so it's great to see folk like you are getting something out of it. I appreciate you spending a little of your time to watch this vid.
A note about the Phantasmagoria games: Reimu, Rikako and Yumemi in PoDD, as well as Medicine and Aya in PoFV, have EX Attacks that for some reason or another confuse the AI and can cause it to die before it's supposed to (just in case you didn't know, AI opponents have hidden timers telling them when to get hit on purpose).
This is generally agreed in the player base to make those characters overpowered in story mode and thus would elevate their tier placements. ❤
I'll admit I was perhaps less than diligent in my efforts with the versus type games than I should have been, heheh. I'm openly preferential to the typical single player arcade style entries of the series.
They don’t have the hidden timers though
Now THIS is dedication! I'm glad to see this one getting more views than usual - you definitely deserve it, Matt!
Holy crap, great to see a comment from you here! As you well know I'm a big fan, so it means a lot.
I always thought cirno winter was the best combination for th16, thats the one that helped me get one of my only 2 lunatic clears. The lasers from winter mean you’ll deal good damage to whatever’s in front of you, making shotgunning less of a necessity but moreso a chance to do even more damage. That combined with the really long release that increases damage means you can completely melt away some boss spells. Ig at that point you could just pick marisa summer but idk, the summer subseason always felt really weird to use in comparison to cirnos main shot. Idk maybe im not one to talk you clearly have more experience with shot types
@real_kel Don't sell yourself short, I ain't even touched HSiFS Lunatic. I'm a Normal kinda guy, it's why this list was written with Normal 1CCs in mind and not an all-difficulties comprehensive analysis (which would have probably extended this video from 1 hour 40 to 70 days).
Ultimately this is all just my opinion, if you have a different approach that's perfectly valid.
Oh wow, I wasnt expecting to get a reply so fast! Thx for the kind words
Ayo really really good video, master spark eosd will always be number 1 in my heart
Love when the algorithm blesses me with a channel that clearly deserves more views keep it up, praying for you success bro
Really means a lot to read this, dude. Thanks for the support!
1:11:03 BASED SUPER DIMENTIO CAMEO, I wish i could subscribe twice
Not homing reimu slander, shes my fav😹
i think you might be sleeping on UM Sanae - the only Hard Mode 1CC I've gotten. Her shots are super-powered up by Saki, but I think the biggest thing is what Byakuren's card does to your Bomb. It like triples the duration and power of Sanae's bomb, highly recommend giving it a try. IIrc I usually combined it with Sakuya's Ricochet Knives and Miko's C card.
Also really enjoyable video :>
Oh, I generally sleep on Byakuren's bomb buff, and figured it'd probably be redundant on Sanae, but hey, one of the beautiful things about UM is that it'd take years to do every potential run with every potential item combo.
I'll definitely have to give Saki/Byakuren Sanae a go some time.
So, I just 1CC'd Sanae with a run that started with Saki passive, Byaku bombs and Marisa Hakkero. Then I went Magatama, Centipede, Yuyuko Passive, Kanako Snek, and Haniwa Clear, a build I shall christen 'Protecc to Attacc'.
The goal is simple; use all the clearing and Sanae's general reliability to go no-hit as long as possible, snowballing Saki's passive and the Hakkero laser with centipede passive. But for when I inevitably face a skill issue, at least the centipede reset will be worth it seeing as... if you bomb just before a spell start with the Byaku-bombs as Sanae, you can basically get a free capture just from the sheer bomb duration.
Legitimately nutty. Thanks for the build idea!
@MattJDave hahaha thanks for giving it a try
I agree with most of your rankings except one big disagreement on DDC Sakuya A. This shot is frankly broken in my opinion, and would be the best in the game if troll Marisa A wasn't also there. Her focused shot has insane power, and you can accelerate the explosion of knives faster by unfocusing. This can easily trivialize most hard stage portions and she casually murder bosses. Also, enemy shoot far less bullets if at least one knife is stuck on them. This may seem minor but is a life saver in Lunatic against some of the hardest spell cards of that game. It's very noticeable against Kagerou, and, to a comical level, Blue Lady Show (Raiko's time spell). Against others it's less visible but still present and you'll definitely feel the difference on Lunatic. Basically she's a homing shot with crazy damage and that makes the game easier. One of the very best shots in the franchise tbh. Easier to use than Reimu A, faaaar better bomb and similar power.
Also you're massively underselling her bomb. It's great for survival against bosses and it can milk stages for life pieces, because you can get 1 autocollect + 3 bomb fragments out of it. If you get a life fragment, you're net positive in bombs when you use it. It also lasts fairly long so you can also use it to get 2 autocollects.
Oh man, I didn't know about the bullet reduction thing, probably because I haven't played DDC lunatic and just didn't notice while on Normal. I do think the bomb is good, but yeah, I didn't realise the shot reduction thing. Thanks for the insight!
I enjoyed the video
As someone who also did an all shot ranking (but still hasn't made a video about it), I'd like to put in my two cents. While you did the ranking based on how much you liked the shot, my list is more about how good a shot is to get an easy clear in its respective game.
While HRtP doesn't have a traditional shot type, it does have two routes. Makai has easier bosses while Jigoku has easier stages and more opportunities to get lives from score. I still don't know which is easier but I'd say Jigoku.
SoEW ReimuB is actually the best shot in the game as her bullets are quite good, the speed is perfect and like you said, Full Power is a beast. She makes the Extra Stage completely trivial if you do a cheese strat of dying 2 times at the start to get 3 bombs and because of homing bullets you only need to spend one before the boss. In the main game (and we're talking Lunatic here) she's also great, as ReimuA is a bit too fast for my liking and Yellow Power has a bad range which doesn't hit anything and ReimuC decimates bosses but suffers on Stage 4 and actually requires a gameplan route.
Yumemi is ranked a bit too low as she's capable of really messing with the AI by using her charge attacks making her one of the easier characters to beat the game as.
EoSD Marisa suffers from the surprisingly uncontrollable high speed and very narrow spread which makes her difficult to play as and this isn't the case in other games. However I fully agree with the ranking. ReimuB still the best.
I'd say IN Marisa was the best of all as she felt the strongest and completely decimated the entire game with her high power. Master Spark was also still a good bomb. In her modern incarnation not only did she lose her piercing lasers but Master Spark really stopped dealing good damage. It is now completely outclassed by every other bomb. The only thing going for it now is it's length. Yukari is also much better than expected, with high damage and usefulness. I accidentaly did a No Miss Hard 1cc with her.
If we take the shot out of the game it's in, then LoLK Reimu is the best Reimu. She basically stayed the same from 2015 up until now except with one major difference: since HSiFS all shots have the same hitbox size. Reimu, how she is now, is able to completely destroy stage portions with homing and obliterate bosses with needles while still having an impressive range. She's easy unlike every other shot. With a smaller hitbox it's even easier to dodge all the bullets.
While we're talking about LoLK & difficulty, there's a major change in usefulness between Sanae & Reisen. Reisen is more suited for Easy & Normal as there's not that many bullets and her shield makes getting graze easier while Sanae exceeds on Hard & Lunatic where you can just bombspam and earn infinite lives with grazebombing while also having better damage and range. With Reisen you actually have to dodge on higher difficulties while the reverse is true for Sanae.
I fully agree that Youmu Wolf is peak. It's the strongest shot ever and it obliterates everything with ease. I never understood the love for Otter. I played Youmu Otter once and it was the worst Otter shot of them all.
Your Touhou 19 verdicts might be outdated as you're clearly playing v1.00a when v1.10c came out a while age and solved most of the problems. To quickly summarise: Reimu got nerfed to oblivion, Marisa was and still is one of the strongest with a new C2, Sanae is even better, Ran stayed the same, Aunn is even better, Nazrin is now semi-competent (definitely better), Seiran has better C2, Orin now deals damage, got a new C2 and is actually competent, Tsukasa got her spell fixed, Mamizou is still bad, Yachie is OP, Saki is still useless (should be in the WHY? Tier), Yuuma is even more OP than before, Suika still obliterates everything, Biten got buffed, Enoko stayed almost the same, Chiyari got nerfed but she's still very dangerous, Hisami is the worst shot in the game, can't hit anything and has terrible enemies in the Story and Zanmu is even more OP than she was.
All in all, while I don't agree with every placement here, I respect your ranking and the video was entertaining. Mima is still the best shot ever and HRtP Reimu can solo all of them with the touch of a finger.
Yeah, I'll admit I wasn't factoring stuff like scaling with difficulty into account, and didn't realise 19 had a balance patch... that still made Saki suck.
Man, feels bad for the Keiga Clan.
Thanks for taking the time to watch my video and leave such thoughtful remarks. We clearly differ on a lot of things, but that's what makes touhou great; it's a simple series that encourages many different playstyles and preferences.
@@MattJDave Difficulty doesn't really matter in most cases because if a shot is good on Easy, it will be good on Lunatic. It's just a few distinct cases that really matter. I haven't even really formed an opinion on PoDD's shots except Mima & Yumemi as they all play and feel the same and the game is really RNG with winning ald losing. Sometimes a worse shot forces you to play better in order to just beat the game, leading to a much more high quality run than let's say MoF MarisaB at 3.00 Power.
@BWF6_Official Can certainly vouch for that last point. MoF Marisa B isn't fun because the game just isn't a game any more. But MoF Reimu C, despite not... particularly being good, is very fun because of the unconventional strats you have to pull.
Similarly, my only DDC Sakuya B Normal 1CC feels like the most beautiful run I ever pulled despite it being a dreadful shot lol.
I was just about to comment about what a crime it was to rank pofv youmu that low before seeing the rest of the section.
Also pofv is peak i wont allow any slander of it in these halls.
He does underestimate PoFV Youmu massively though.
You underestimate PoFV Youmu and downplay her slash A LOT. "Decidedly meh" is just straight up wrong. It erases bullets in front of you and is very spammable, making her a great defensive character. The slash does in fact do your taxes.
Don't worry, I had a whole youtuber apology section straight after. Please forgive me, I will endeavour to do better next time and never call out Youmu's election fraud again.
(jokes aside, as someone who primarily plays normal I think I just don't put as much stock into bullet erasure as a person playing the harder difficulties tbh. I consider it too slow to be spammable but given it's... bullet erasure, making the charge time any quicker would be broken)
@@MattJDave I 1cc'd PoFV on Normal on my second try ever with Youmu because I was able to just spam the slash to cut bullets and hardly put as much skill into dodging as I would otherwise need to. She makes the game easier somewhat, not nearly as much as the cheese shottypes that glitches the AI but still.
@@Shyguymask Hey that's fair. We're allowed to have different opinions on it, it just never vibed with me in particular. But ye I noticed a few people considered my ranking of PoFV Youmu to be unfair to the point I had to point it out mid-video, lol.
@@MattJDave Admittedly I didn't watch the whole PoFV section so I missed the "apology" at the end of it lol.
Absolutely underrated and kino minus PCB sakuya A not getting peak
Ah, I see we have a PCB Sakuya A war crime apologist here :P
Oh you like Touhou? Name every bullet.
My memories as Easy-Normal player disagree with many statements.
In SoEW Reimu-B is best. You are not supposed to collect every item with it. You are supposed to survive longer which makes 1cc much easier than with Reimu-A.
MS Yuuka is very nice shot-type just to clear the game. MS is quite balanced overall, no outliers.
EoSD Reimu-A saves more lives during stages than any advantage Reimu-B offers. Besides, "Fantasy Seal" is just better bomb. You never need to clear the entire screen, clear where you need and have longer invulnerability time.
PCB Reimu-A is mostly same, but better. Sakuya-B though just the hardest to get Normal 1cc.
With MoF Reimu-A I got Normal 1cc first try. Can't say the same about other shot-types despite I tried it after that.
SA Reimu-C is peak. Marisa-C is decent for survivability, can't say 1cc was any harder than with other shot-types.
UFO Marisa-B is probably worst in entire series. It just doesn't work for Normal 1cc unless you are already good enough to play on Hard. But this is different story.
TD Sanae is better than Youmu at the very least. The latter shot-type works well only if you are able to get close safely. Because a single loss of life becomes a big deal in TD.
In LoLK I managed to get Normal 1cc with all shot-types. However, this game turned me into lunatic and I can't give assessment as normal player for later games. Anyway, Reimu and Sanae are decent, Marisa is the hardest, Reisen is equivalent to Easy Mode.
@@IvanBaAl961 It seems you prioritise simply getting through the game. My ranking is much more based on game feel and general fun (that I have). That's why I consider spread shots to generally be rough; it's just kinda boring to me, and why I consider PCB Sakuya B really fun despite the high skill floor. You seem to have a much more functional outlook to the games than me, but hey, that's fine.
@@MattJDave I was interested in plot and endings, so that's right. I also like danmaku as a way of self-expression.
There is no world where TD Sanae is better than TD Youmu for survival and getting through the game. TD Sanae's damage is so low that it actively makes the game more difficult compared to when playing with Youmu, who has comparable horizontal range and drastically higher damage. Her vertical range at 4 power also covers almost the whole screen.
@@Shyguymask Sanae is better shot-type in TD than Youmu. That's what my experience tells and you can't argue with it. Youmu was quite good until Miko, but terrible at final boss fight.
Didnt include all the fangames. Lazy and incomplete! =p.
Aeriously though, didnt finish vid yet, just finished pcb so far. That said Christmas tree Marisa is peak marisa for me. Laser marisa just felt so much weaker on bosses from what I recall.
i don't really know if there's a point to making a tier list since it's pretty hard to compare shot types from separate games. for example, lls marisa A in a vacuum would easily be one of the best shots, but because her own game is so easy, there's not much of a gap in the effort required to 1cc between her and reimu B
hrtp wasn't included but jigoku is definitely easier than makai. kikuri is the only hard part of jigoku and it's just her opener
reimu B is easily the best soew shot cause of her versatility. she's fast enough to macro, her shot is narrower than A's so she doesn't get hit as hard by power loss, and homing deals surprisingly good damage. most importantly she also has the longest lasting bomb. C is awful at macro while A's damage output falls off a cliff from power loss
the only worthwhile podd shots are reimu, yumemi and rikako since the ai is pretty bad at dodging their attacks. reimu can easily counter bosses, a spammable charge attack that covers most of the screen and deals a lot to bosses pointblank, and her trance has piercing. yumemi can macro easily, has a powerful charge attack and destroys the ai the fastest. rikako is just yumemi but worse outside of her charge attack and trance but a discount yumemi is still very good
marisa doesn't really do anything to the ai and can't even shoot or bomb during her charge attack. she also can't shoot during trance, making it weaker than it should be. she's not as bad as chiyuri though who has the same problems, on top of having to dodge a million snowballs because her boss shoots a ton of those, which the ai can reflect with ease. her rival also happens to be kotohime, an absolute nightmare to face thanks to her micro patterns. chiyuri is so awful that her 1cc is considered the hardest in the series, rivaled only by ddc sakuya B
i'm not sure why mima is peak since she has the obvious weakness of having the worst bomb in the series: it only lasts a second and deals nonexistent damage, though she's still the best overall. for some reason the manual states marisa is the strongest at full power, but her damage is only slightly higher than reimu's at a distance and doesn't benefit from pointblanking. her bomb is also only half a second longer than mima's and prevents shooting. i would honestly argue her to be the worst for 1cc
yuuka's kinda slept on since her pointblank damage is the same as mima's, and you get many opportunities to pointblank in ms in spite of her speed or lack of, making her the 2nd fastest at killing bosses. she also has the longest lasting bomb which makes pointblanking easier. her only weakness is her slow speed which only matters for lnb as she's pretty bad at yumeko
not gonna bother discussing windows since the series peaked with ms
Can I go to Reimu Marisa HOUSE💜
I don't get the Merlin joke
While explaining the joke is unfunny and lame, it's essentially a reference to the weird glitchy things Merlin can do in PCB (her laser can desynchronise and even keep going after being defeated in PCB).
This, along with her bizarre playable appearance in PoFV led me to make her the representative of the weird, outlying, or glitchy shots.
you actually 1cc all these shottypes?
All but LoLK Reimu, Marisa, and Sanae (and of course PoFV Merlin and Lunasa don't actually have a story mode to 1CC). Otherwise yes, I've 1CC'd all of them on at least Normal; 121/124 ain't bad. I ain't an exceptional hitless lunatic player but I've played the games for a while.
A hundred minutes? Matt, I'm not watching all that. But, I'm sorry that happened to you. 🫂
Or: ✨ Congratulations ✨
Yeah, you tell him. I never even seen none of these fairies in a Godzilla movie.
@@AwsmChimera Are you talking to yourself (again)?
@@MattJDave I'm bumping up the retention statistics on this video. Get dunked.
@@thegitgudneighborhood The horror.