How many miles can the $3,800 Chinese Electric Scooter Go?
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Today we test the full range on the koppla gator electric chinese scooter! Super fun moped/scooter to ride and good as a city commuter!
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70 Kmh converted is 43 miles, you got 33 because you floored it on highest settings. This is average for a 3000-5000w peak.
Yes, given that this is designed to be driven mostly around town(residential areas), you will probably only drive it at around 20-30 mph. This would increase the range quite a bit. But it is good that it has some headroom to go faster and you are not constantly pinning the throttle like on a 50cc scooter or equivalent electric scooter.
so that is a motorbike in europe.
since scooters are limited to 45kmh and are 50cc often nowdays 4 stroke, i have seen one electric quad Hytrack MP4 that also fell into the 45kmh category.
i also see sur-ron for sale but nobody knows what those are listed as they are not road legal for sure, but they dont classify as a bycycle but i would guy more like a dirt bike?
sometimes americans are lucky that they can drive anything anywhere (depending on the state afcors)
@@reggiexp69 There is a road legal version of Su Rons for Europe that is limited to 45 km/h. It just uses a different software so it is easy to change it to unrestricted mode(for off-road use only of course 😉).
But there are also other road legal electric motorcycles that can be registered in the 125cc class(A1 license).
@@marcelpursche5339 ah didnt know that afcors its easy to change the software or even the hole controller like them americans do amdn make it go 70MPH lol. ah also 125 cc licence bikes didnt know, im waiting for a good Electric quad, someday might be fun. not that i see that happening anytime soon...
We all EV users pretty much know that in the most of EVs specially this small ones you get about half to 60% of the range when hammering all the time so I think this one is pretty good
True! But as a commuter you kinda have to max it for street use if you want to keep up with traffic!
damn, so ill never make it to your mom's house on this thing? lol jk
@@TheInja my delfast 3.0 goes way faster than that and go twice as long in the range. I got 150 miles with just the throttle. Do a another review about the delfast because you left out of alot of stuff about this ebike.
unless you look at lacroix boards, every one that i know that has one has gotten the advertised range or better surprisingly, and yes i own one myself and get advertised range and i mostly smash it full throttle.
They seem to be worth less than half what they cost.
Yep, as already stated, 50-60% of advertised range is common practice if you're floorin' it all the time. Even in a Tesla this is normal. So I'd say that their 70 mile advertised range is pretty normal for what they're selling people.
It sorta grew on me since the last video also. I'm sorta diggin' it. Not enough to fork out that much dough on one, but hey, maybe if that's your thing, then who am I to judge.
No electric vehicle will make the manufacturer’s claimed full range on top speed, even the Teslas can’t do that. You have to ask the manufacturer or refer to the manual to find out at what speed it can do 70miles. If the manufacturer told you this machine could do 70miles at full speed on a single charge then you have a point, if not then it’s probably a bad review.
Actually alot of the high end scooters do. These cheap ones are tested in eco mode.
@@PassiveLearner365 $3800 is a cheap scooter?
th-cam.com/video/beLqFC-pKgY/w-d-xo.html we agree this is a poor way to test range on an electric vehicle we tested ours at real-world speeds to get a fair number on the bike to be fair in our test I'm a larger rider and I know the bike would go even further with a lighter person
They lie to get you to buy.
@@MistaSCARY not sure its a lie I think with a lighter rider riding on mode one it would make the advertised mileage but who is going to drive like that no one. but 40 miles is still pretty dang good we were pleased with the results
If you go full throttle all the time, the max milage will be cut to around 60% of its maximum due to the efficiency of the battery and engine. Next time you can try 30mph. One other thing needs to be taken into consideration, lithium battery doesn't discharge well when the environment temperature is low.
not retally correct, at full speed the motor is drawing more current from the battery NOTHING TO DO WITH IN-EFFICIENCIES, its purely the faster you go the more current you draw, and lithium ion batterys have more issues charging when cold than discharging when cold, and drawing 1200-1400 Whr from the battery that battery WONT be cold!
I totally started watching 3 ebike youtubers last summer, and your telling it how it arrives in the box was very informative. So when I was ready to strart making ebikes. I made sure I had tools available when opening the box. And just a few things were off. Thanks for showing it how it is.👍
Great review. The battery "sagged" under full throttle. Battery: 60V, 40Ah Removable Lithium Battery - Are the cells name brand? The website does not say. One good thing is that extra batteries are available, and in stock on the website. I would consider getting one
that is what we did but the range test we did was more real world th-cam.com/video/beLqFC-pKgY/w-d-xo.html
30miles range sounds about right considering always going full-throttle,
will likely do 30-40miles if used in slower speed zones/city areas.
th-cam.com/video/beLqFC-pKgY/w-d-xo.html we did a real world range test it did very well in my opinion
@@ParkHopTillWeDrop Don't spam your trash on another channel.
It's a 3kw motor on a 2kw(40ah) battery. Driving at 23 mph would draw 750w per hour for 3 hours(2kw usage) equals 70 miles range. It's easy to figure out range of electric vehicles by speed. 750w per hour gets you 23mph.... 1500 watts per hour gets you 32 mph..... 3000w per hour gets you 45 mph etc as long as vehicle weighs between 100-200lbs. every 2x of power draw gets you 35 percent faster speed. Anyone interested in a cheap and capable electric bike should wait for next year's Metacycle for 5k. it can get 80 miles range at 45mph with a top speed of 70-75mph. If you got money to burn you can achieve same basic specs as Metacycle 4kw(200 lbs) with Zero FXS 7.2kw(300lbs) for 12k. Except Zero can hit between 85-100 mph top speed with custom settings.
th-cam.com/video/beLqFC-pKgY/w-d-xo.html we did a more realistic test our numbers were more inline
What do you think about the Eahora M1ps
I am in the UK & I have owned a City coco M8 Electric bike (similar to this one) for 2 years now and still loving it.
I bought it specially to carry it with me on the back of my Motorhome (RV).
I usually get out of bed around 6:30am each morning and like to go exploring the area on my bike. With it being electric, it does not disturb other campers.
We have to register these bikes in the UK and have a driving licence & insurance just like a proper motorbike.
I agree that around 30 miles is the range, but that's ok for what I use it for.
I have been stopped a couple of times by the cops but only because they have never seen one of these before and were interested what it was. One of these cops has since bought one like mine and has told me he loves it too.
My wife I both own two different models. The 3000 watt and the 2000 watt.
Both bikes do well on sandy roads blacktop roads and concrete roads.
I have over 200 miles on both bikes. Had no issues other than regular maintenance with keeping the bolts tight. Mine the 3000 watt is pretty fast and keeps up with city traffic. Battery last a long time and does not slow the bike down as you use up the power cell, steady flow of power. Mine rides two people just fine. I am 200 pound my with is 125 pounds. Bike still cruises along at 38 to 41 mph. The 3000 watt with my body weight will cruises at 38mph without taxing all the power 🔋 41 to 45 with open throttle. Climbs small hills with no effort.
Great bike for small trips to the store or to work. But I like cruising the local state parks. Fits in a bike lane even with the luggage compartments I added
Good video, but please show another range test using the same bike and same rider, driving with less aggressive acceleration at 15 mph max and see how much further you go. You might be surprised.
Yea he could but no one’s gonna be going 15 mph for the whole 70 miles u may aswel get the bus
th-cam.com/video/beLqFC-pKgY/w-d-xo.html thats how we did our range test
Who the hell wants to go 15 miles an hour I can run that fast
@@fraomedinaii2095 no you can’t
At 15 mph, you just need a bike then, not an electric one ! 😲
I never purchase anything over $50 bucks without watching as many reviews that I have time to watch. Why not? Your reviews on Nireeka helped me pull the trigger. It's almost pointless to advertise on cable anymore. It's awsome watching this market open up to ppl doing this kinda stuff. Whether it stays TH-cam or not this is the future of marketing. I'm dying to figure out my niche or partner with someone else for sure
Keep up the good work man been watching your channel for a long time now!
Glad to have you!
$3800 for that?? You could get a good used Kawasaki Meanstreak for that. Insane. 🤪🤣
Your the only one who'd pay $4000 for that thing.
Wow that is one cool looking machine ! ❤
Happy Thanksgiving Inja...🦃🦃
Thank you for your video. I had the money stacked up and ready to call them Monday 3 days from now. But if it only gets 30 miles that would leave me at the grocery store with no way to get home. Just isn't going to work for me I'll need to wait for the technology to get a little better. Thank you again.
Thanks for video on electric bikes! I am always researching on differant motorbikes!!
I think it looks really cool and could always upgrade it to get 50+mph. It's a lot better looking than some of the E-Mopeds currently on sale here in the UK
how does ur bars go to one then back up to 4?
I have an electric scooter for about a year now. On the way home, the train became stuck. I had my scooter but it only made it about 5 or 6 miles before it melted to one bar of battery and reduced me to 6mph and eventually died. Making me think twice about electric. 25 mile range means I can only really go 10 or 12 miles so I have enough juice to get back home.
Yea, that's basic math my son is in grade school and his test questions look just like that
@@16driver16 boy, what a tough school
@@grazz7865 you did it the tough way you had to walk home he just did math on a paper
Wait, the train got stuck? Like… a part on the scooter, or the local mass transit train?
Which scooter do you have?
@@evshrug I had the hurdle motorgear scooter 🛴 350 watts. It was an “ok” scooter. Since then, I upgraded to the evercross scooter. Much better. If I had the evercross on the day the train crapped out, I probably would’ve made it all the way home.
Cool video Dude love the Scoot.
What app were you using for the GPS speed check please? all the app's that i have tried are the pit's.
Thanks in advance.
Quick question
What app does he use to track the speed and distance ?
Currently costs £2,211.27 GBP for the UK, but it is not been defined what it is as what it is legally, whether it is classified as an Ebike or moped will make a hell of a difference in its up take.
Loved this scooter. Do you have the Super Soco range of bikes over there?
There are actually something called "hills" where a lot of people live. That would be a very important part of the over-all test.
Nice looking scooter except that seat, I’m sure they probably have different color options. I’m always curious about how these electric bikes do on long hill inclines. Anyways, that was a fair review. Happy thanksgiving 🍽
Having owned 2 ebikes, I've learned that mfr claims about max range are based on people who would be thin for China, traveling on perfectly smooth roads with no wind and no stop lights/signs (anorexic teen on a treadmill). Claimed 70 miles on a charge? Take your 30 miles real world and shaddap. It is what it is. Thanks for your always unbiased reviews.
much appreciated!
I'm looking at importing some from China to Australia and the rated range is 70km per battery but when I visited the factory they looked at me (6" 90kg) and were like yeah 40km tops haha
Love your honest reviews bro ❤ 👌
much appreciated!
@@TheInja review the Soversky M8 Chopper Electric Scooter
Street legality is an issue commonly ignored by people reviewing these evehicles. The majority of theses things (over 15mph) require full insurance, licence, lights, etc.
Hey how does it handle now after 7 months? Already bought one and waiting on delivery, but now thinking how realistic it is this thing will last years down the line which I would like it to.
Still seems like a nice commuter for around town in nice weather, but it's expensive. Replaceable battery packs are a big plus too. If you keep it might be fun to see if you can upgrade the pack for more range and speed like you do. 30 miles pushing it hard isn't that bad and it's fast enough to keep up with city traffic easily.
If the price drops with time I bet they'll sell a bunch of them.
yeah at 3k this one would be a nice offer.
@@NineDiamontA year later and I've found it for 2,999$. Am buying but not until summer 2024. Perhaps even a few more 100$ less by then
What's the liquid by the mirror base?
In California bikes need to be 50cc or more to be classified as a vehicle that will require Registration and plates with a tag, does not matter what sort of power generation is used.so if your going 43 mph you are under the radar.😉
I like the design of this scooter. Thank you for sharing.
‘I am not a valve guy, i am not a valve specialist, I don’t fix valves full time.’ Did he say all of that? Goodness me! I don’t know with how much cringe people heard those lines.
What gps app do you use
If you notice that "tool" is also a valve stem cap, and usually has a rubber cap over the tip, so you always have one or two with you srewed onto your valve stems.
Whats the tool called?
A nice looking mobility scooter..has appeal & seams the quality build is based on a motorcycle..simple & efficient without all the b.s..removable battery is cool..thanks for the review
I always liked that kind of e-scooters that are like a cruiser and I'm really digging that design.
Ever since I saw these scooters in my vacation in Vietnam 5 years ago I kinda wanted one.
If it was 3k it would be a more appealing offer.
They're on sale for $2700 sometimes
hi good video enjoyed it! i will order one, do u think this scooter is capable of motor upgrade like a qs motor ? cheers
Is it reliable though? And what about maintenance?
30 real world miles kinda equates to 70 tester miles. I mean if you consider it's likely meant to be driven at 20 or 30 in residential neighborhoods with the ability to jump it up to 45 in an emergency it's possible in the right conditions. As long as you make the destinction that you're hammering it the entire time I think it's a fair review. As for the legality I'm guessing it really depends on the state. Some places are a bit more lenient than others so it pays to check local laws one power ratings and speeds for unlicensed vehicles, as well as Electric ones for that matter. Does it have a VIN?
Was that a piece of the tail light tha fell off when you was backing it out of the garage?
Shout out to the only real Ebike reviewer!
🤔
@@DavidBrandNew lol
Its just cuz inja dont care if they are garbage or not, he tells us. Thats all
@@LifeWithStiel interesting
@@DavidBrandNew dont be mad at me 😯
You were probably having such a good ride that you forgot how machines work.
You don't get the same miles per gallon of gas on the drag track as on the highway. Your phone battery won't hold a charge for the same time off in your pocket as while in constant use. there's more than one way to use a watt.
looks like a ginning’ ear to ear fun time! I‘d ride one.
I mention that in my videos all the time. But when will I be cruising at 15mph in the city on this thing? It tops out at normal city speeds and you have to use it to keep up.
Is there anyway you could modify your e bikes to ride inside Walmart or in a hospital?
I think you did a great review on the Gator. And it had to be a pain in the butt dealing with the rear tire stem. I originally wanted the Harley Version of the scooter but got talked into Gator. I ordered it to use in campgrounds back in June but did not receive it until October. (Stuck on a ship in the Harbor). They want me to do a review but all the campgrounds are closed for the winter. I was able to register it as a moped because the Vin number is compliant with DOT. My total range has been around 50 miles and my top speed has averaged around 46 MPH. I like the Gator but I'm not a fan of the over weight steering and turning can be a little tricky.It also weights alot so transporting has to be done much like a motorcycle and not a EBike. I will try and do a review as soon as the campgrounds reopen but for now it's in storage until our temps in PA comes out of the 30's. Thanks for sharing. I would like to see a follow up and how it's holding up and maybe by then Koppla will change their minds about Green only as I have seen other colors.
Hey, I’m in PA too! Is the scooter treating you well?
@@evshrug Hello, Yes, I like the scooter and I have had people stop me to talk about it.. So far, so good.. I have taken it to a few parks and it preformed well. Good Luck it you are getting one, They are nice to ride but has one down fall.. You have no place to put item that you may pick up from the store.. It needs some sort of storage..
even if I like real MCs a bit more I must say I found this one super cool like a mini-cruiser with a bobber touch :) just awesome
How was you able to ride it on an open road without a vehicle plate on it ?
🤣🤣🤣 I rewinded it 8x to see you beat the challenger off the line, lolol I must be missing it! Nice review, loving the tan and green. I wonder how fast it'll go when it's speed is unlocked. M1p videos so far I've seen were at 48mph when unlocked and their top speeds when locked are about 37-39mph. But I wonder if that unlocking trick is only for that particular brand? I have my eye on the M8, saw it in person a few weeks ago I'm in love, lol been doing research everyday since and boy this rabbit hole is deep! lol I don't even know how I got here to an M2 video, glad I did 🤣🤣🤣🔥
I was REALLY thinking about getting one of these and I'm glad I didn't... It's just too big for what I had planned but now I have a Razor Mx650 and I'm planning on doing the electro-brap 6000w kit, getting a full lights/turn signals and alarm to get it street legal as a moped/small displacement engine bike.
Edit: I'm not a professional tire valve repair man but I have 3 of them for my BMX and anything w/ tubes... They're only a few bucks and are very helpful to have in your toolbox.
if you drove it conservatively and tried not to stop and limited the top speed you could have made the range. User error
I love the design but the battery life concerns me. I have an NIU UQI GT Pro. Got it a year ago. It's an electric moped, Chinese brand. I have to say I love mines. It is the equivalent of a 50cc moped so only does a max 30 mph, and 40 miles on 1 charge. It gets me to work and back and is true to it's claims. Also my EV was around the same price but here in the UK I got a massive discount by the government for going green. So in the end I paid just over 2k.
that Citycoco scooter usually comes 2 battery pack. one from under the seat and the other is under ur footrest.
Check the valve core for leaking with a gob of spit. If it leaks the spit bill bubble.
Liked the video, Keep up the good work. BTW you turn the valve core tool right to tighten, left to loosen and remove /replace the core. I thought you were a biker!
i appreciate you man.
How do i reset my controller
Excited to see the results
It looks to be a pretty solidly built moped and I like the beefiness of it. I think I'd get one, even though stylistically it's kinda' not really cool looking. But I think with some modding it could resemble Shotaro Kaneda's bike from Akira. I really love your videos, I appreciate all the hard work that goes into them. You are a good egg, I think you are the only REAL AND HONEST ebike reviewer around. I hope you have a very happy, safe, and blessed Thanksgiving!
I found this video because I was searching for an Eahora Etwister M2 scooter… I’ve gotta say, looks extremely similar (tho I think the battery comes out the side, not under the seat). And if Eahora has a “low rider chopper” style scooter (they do), then Koppa probably does too (or, if not, and you want that style, you could always look at Eahora).
Personally, I prefer this style. Feels like it’s not pretending to be something it’s not. Plus the step-through design is easier to sit on (especially if you strap luggage onto the back, otherwise you would have to swing your leg up and over groceries) and it just seems practical.
With that said, Kaneda’s bike is iconic and totally awesome, and it would be sweet to see an eBike/moped that looks like that! If you put a lightweight shroud like that over the more low-rider style moped, you might even reduce drag! GL HF
$4k is a lot... 45 miles maybe it can go up to 60 miles?
what the weight limit to sit on those?
i would buy it if it cheaper..
not sure i can ride this in nyc..
Can you please review Suru cycles, are they still in business?
Your videos are so good, I watch them all the time, we have similar obsessions lol.
setting the gas handle stand down a little bit, more like hayley motor, feel more better when u drive. right? it look too high when your hand on it. just my feeling on it, make it more fun to drive.
Love the videos! Review the Honda Navi please
I’m seriously looking at one of these on Amazon for 3k, my only concern is how it handles hills.
Anyone have any experience or knowledge about that?
they have a valve-core removal tool, available from any a/c supply company, that allows you to replace the valve-core, without having to deflate the whole tire.
Cannot believe anyone from a "Sports Bikes" background could not figure out the valve stem was loose or leaking.
Pennsylvania -illegal over 742w - needs pedals as well to be considered and electrically assisted bicycle .. I hate my state but I found the loop hole 8years ago
A lot of valve stems caps actually have a core tool built into the back side of them. I'm surprised this doesnt.
My CSC Monterey (~$2100 or so when I bought it) has one on each valve. Though those are tubes.
Also I'm surprised it's not capable of being registered -- the CSC Monterey is though in my state it's considered a full electric motorcycle and not a motor-driven cycle... LOL
I guess it doesn't have a VIN?
All greenslime also comes with a plastic one.
That really is good, still would consider a Sur Ron, but that’s just me, I love the freedom
How does off the cell fone holder please sound.
高速转弯好转吗？
Price please
It grew on me big time. Pretty nice looking Machine. I'd get one. Thank you
We're you referring to Bikes and Beards (about the sur ron)?
Hmmm, just had a customer buy a 5kw E-Enduro with upgrades and tax is less than $3800. And that will get you, 50+mph top speed with a 72v pack. Range at top speed will be about 30-40miles, with reasonable riding getting you over 60miles range. I test the setups IRL, not just the math on the page. Got two Kollters in my garage and about to do an endurance test on the Street model.
Link please ☺️
On my 2010 Honda Insight, i actually found that someone cut two valve stems on the wheels that were opposite of view from my home windows. I noticed hat when I went to go shopping in the very snowy winter, and I live 10 miles from the nearest grocery store.
I'm performing something of an investigation on the matter, even though I don't have video or fingerprints to show as proof. They appeared to have sliced the side of the valve stems using an angle that suggests they used their footwear to bend the valve stems and cut them accordingly.
I wish I had video evidence of that.. 🤔
Anyhow, your showing that valve core adjustment tool reminded me of what happened a few winters ago in the rural place that I moved from the city to.
I think I know who did it, based on evidence they've left previously doing other nefarious things, such as when they left "Cry" fingersmudged on my TV screen in my kitchen while I was 4 hours away down the highway visiting where I previously used to reside back in Toronto with my 40 guitars and no guns.
Please be safe, glad your able to have freedom of mobility rights and freedom of speech rights intact, as I notice mine are often being stolen away from me due to the nature of my standing up for human rights concerns on this repairable planet.
Keep on rocking as you roll chief. You have a groovy TH-cam channel, you are good people.
Here's a tune that helps explain what it's like over here at present till I sell my home and book it back to more hometown big city familiar territory.
Max Webster - Here Among The Cats
Please be safe, please be tomorrow.
#MeToo 🗽
#TheDigitalLifeguardProject-_-
It looks like the handlebars are bending slightly am I wrong
What a strange bike, I like the color . Great video Inja.
Thanks dude!
going max speed on any electric vehicle drains the battery super fast, just like my E-Bike if I got max speed it only gets maybe 7 miles but if I do like pedaling most of the way I can get like 50 miles or more
Cool Man. What app are you using to clock the speed?.
"Speedometer" app (that's what it's called)
Hey I just saw a scooter called the extreme bull 5k to be so small it this thing is supposed to do 50 mph and has a 100 mile distance. I like the way you try things out because you tend to tell the truth about the item you test.
Yeah, it's like $5 for the valve core tool but I still managed to mess up my repair lol. But even being such a small problem, it's a small problem that should not have been there... Tires are arguably the most important safety aspect of a vehicle and this is such a basic issue that I can't believe they missed this through basic quality control.
They didn't miss anything in quality control, valve stems can just come loose from the temperature changes. It's a pretty common occurrence in places that have winters. Temperatures fluctuate like crazy on cargo ships.
Looks cool, I want one for an daily driver to and back from work
That price is def too high, even for a year ago. I was about to buy one for $2k locally in socal around the same time. I ended up with the older model for $1,400 (looks like a mini chopper). The biggest difference is the battery size.
You check out the m1ps?
You must get them Titled and Registered. I'm dealing with mine as we speak. The first step is to get what's called an Enhanced inspection. Pre-Titled inspection, reason. "(Road worthiness)". If passed. The vehicle can then be Titled. Further, the certificate these vehicles come with can be lacking important data. I had to email Eahora and have them update the certificate to display Make, Model, Hp, Color, Style, date of manufacturer. All that data should be added to the certificate that has the Vin number on it. Technically, in most states a MCO is required, or Manufacturer Certificate of Origin.... This is why these vehicles are so hard to title. Cheers, hope this helps.
Future reference, bottles of smaller tire fix a flat has that tool in the cap.
i’ve had one of these there so much fun
Cool scooter!
Just watched your Mercedes videos. Very impressive!
Looking good (for a step thru e-scooter) Pretty prime geography for test reviews. FLAT... Where are you, Florida? 33mi @ 45mph makes this a good in town commuter, for sure! I'm guessing, slower starts and 35/40 speeds this would get more like 40mi, maybe?
I bought TWO fat-tyred Chinese 'scooters' with a similar build and components, plus spare wheels, controller, and motor DIRECT from China for *2,400 USD TOTAL.* They have the same range, etc.
They work out the "max range" by testing it on a flat surface in eco mode, never trust the max range.
As with any battery type, you will get voltage lag as you are driver alone. But at stops the voltage will return to what is in the battery. Also when companies do a rang est. they are only going 20mph and as long as they can. So 70 miles at 20mph with no hills maybe. I have a 72v 30Ahr bike that can do 55mph. And at 35mph it only goes about 35 miles. hope this helps
35 miles at 35mph is pretty shit mileage for that size battery pack. Sounds like you got a trash bike.
The Inja: *has a phone holder on the handle bar*
Also The Inja: *puts phone in his pocket*
Magnificent !
Try to put a alternator on the battery should prevent it from going dead when you're too far from home to charge it.