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@@darthtrip7188 true. and he never wanted to kill her in the first place, this was the first time he almost did it and in that brief moment when Ben was almost completely gone Leia called to him and Rey „killed Kylo“. underrated scene
No, if the corporations weren't constantly scared of interracial relationships and trying to normalize emo millennial culture then Rey would be with Finn and would've killed Kylo. Rey was and is more powerful than Kylo. She outmatched him in telepathy, she can generate force lightning, and her telekinesis is stronger.
@@JJ_LL when it comes to the force, they are both the same. Kylo actually trained her without realizing- for example the prisoner scene at TFA. whenever he challenged her, she had to use the force and learned from it. it explains a lot. and Finn was a good character that was stupidly muted but I still prefer Rey saving Ben and Finn being her first apprentice after TROS
okay that force jump was pretty awesome. What was more impressive was that Kylo landed even further than Rey showing that he'd always been her superior, due to being better trained.
It could be him having more training, but actually I think it's because Rey is weaker due to healing the snake. Rey and Kylo are a Dyad in the Force with equal power, as we see when they split the lightsaber in two in TLJ. But when Rey heals the snake she loses some of that power.
Because usually when you stop something that's rolling on the ground you do it with your feet and not with your hands, and if anyone was in that room with Rey it would've been a for e sensitive person so if they were to pick something up with their hands it would be more logical to do it using the force rather than bending down and grabbing it physically with their hands
Yes, that was exactly the point. For almost the entire duel Kylo is in a defensive style, he barely strikes at Rey. I guess it proves that Rey is filled with rage but Kylo doesn't want to hurt her and tries to deal with it.
Agreed, Rey lost that fight before she ever started it-and Kylo Ren knew it from the start. What he wanted was for her to give in to the Dark Side and be his...well, other half? Queen? Partner? The thing is, when Rey duels Dark Side Rey briefly, who looks a lot like Kylo Ren? Rey looses that fight too. I have a feeling Dark Side Rey would have slaughtered Kylo Ren-and no, not just because she's a Palpatine. Remember Luke's reaction when Rey reaches out to the Dark Side in the previous film, because it offers answers? Because Rey is drawn to it, while Kylo is drawn to the Light, but refuses it because of what he see's as his family betraying him, starting with Luke when he was a boy? Rey is a creature of the Dark Side who turns away from it because she met the right people at the right time. Lack of training notwithstanding, she's as powerful as Kylo Ren, easily. But both deny the truth of their natures so cannot be all they could be. If Rey had been in Kylo Ren's position? She'd have been unstoppable, she never had the family ties he did that stopped him from ever becoming truly evil. Plus, she'd likely have killed Palpatine. If Kylo Ren had been in her position? With family and friends and his Uncle Luke backing him up? He might just have been the one thing who could even possibly stopped Dark Side Rey. But the sequel trilogy took the easy out of having Rey be a good Soul and never giving into the Dark Side, while Leia's ultimate sacrifice saved her son. If they'd flipped the two in 8? The outcome would have been a lot more interesting...
Music makes the movie. Lee Majors said that without the music of the black man, Oliver Nelson, his 1973 hit tv series, The Six Million Dollar Man, would have just been a white guy running around in slow motion. The truth!
This trilogy had so much potential, unfortunately, it was ruined by multiple issues from the real world. They should've just focused on telling a great story
I love how this entire duel is the battle between the legacies of Anakin and Vader and in the end Anakin’s wins while Vader’s legacy ends when Kylo throws away the saber. All at the Death Star, where Anakin had his own inner battle in Return of the Jedi before choosing to save his son and return to the light.
This duel is also a reversed version of the Anakin v Obi Wan fight: it takes place on a water world instead of lava, and the light side user is on the aggressive while the dark side user is the one trying to resolve everything passively
I love how this contrasts with their first duel on Starkiller Base. There, Kylo was wounded, unbalanced and losing it from killing his father, which was the only reason Rey walked out of there alive. Here, Rey is the one that is unbalanced and losing it from learning that she is a Palpatine while Kylo is the one focused and in control to the point he is practically toying with her throughout most of the fight.
Et là, les rôles sont inversés. La Palpatine est la gentille, et le Skywalker le "méchant". Et Miss Palpatine (pas Sidious 😉), est bien plus une Skywalker dans son attitude que le véritable Mr Skywalker.
Exactly. That's what I love about how JJ crafted this duel. Vader burning in lava cemented his turn to the dark side, and Ben speaking with the memory of his father in a water world is what redeemed him.
I know a lot of people hate on Rey’s character, but I personally think Daisy Ridley did an amazing job portraying her nonetheless, especially right here. You can see how she’s fighting herself while she’s fighting Ben. You can see how distracted she is just by her sloppiness. Ben saw it too in this scene. Everyone knows Rey can fight SO much better than how she did right here--she was just too distracted and angry with herself to even really try. Ben didn’t even take advantage of that because he loved her. GREAT ACTING in my opinion.
I love this analysis bro, that’s really cool how you picked up on that. I also agree that Daisy did a phenomenal job. No better actress could have portrayed the granddaughter of Palpatine with nobody parents, lost and finding her place. Daisy is freaking great
Actually i think rey was doing her best. Maybe too much cause she got tired real quick. And on the other hand, kylo was finally in perfect conditions both mentally and physically, compared to their first duel where he was losing blood and emotionally compromised. Even if she wasn't so angry, she wouldn't have stand a chance against the real kylo ren...
3:29 - Notice that Rey can only hold Kylo’s lightsaber at bay with the force for like a second and her face indicates immense struggle for even just that second she’s holding it there… 3:35 - While Kylo holds hers with ease for awhile not even looking at it, with such power that it’s literally distorting and bending the plasma of the blade. If you look at Rey, she moves her eyes from the saber to him and then back at the distorting saber almost in awe as she’s realising that he’s not even breaking a sweat here, showing how superior he actually is in the force, being a Skywalker. 3:44 - Rey realising she’s completely outmatched in every way possible and there’s no hope for her to win this fight on her own. When you factor in the fact that he’s so obviously not even in second gear for this whole entire fight, how he didn’t even need to jump the massive waves because they didn’t pose a real threat to him, how he jumped after Rey and landed ahead of her, how he side stepped her ever swing in the beginning 1:08 without even igniting his lightsaber. I think it’s clear as day that Kylo could’ve killed Rey at any given moment in this trilogy if he actually wanted to, this fight literally wouldn’t have even left the Death Star throne room if he was there to kill her.
@@robertdevito5001 .... Rey loses so its not in the air. He had Rey completely beat at the end and was about to finish her off. He only gets defeated because Leia passes.
This is probably my favorite scene, mostly because it's an exact mirror to how their first fight went. In this one, Kylo proves to be her superior, perhaps not in raw power but in skill and finesse.
In raw power,he will be far better than ray,but he is confused be light side and dark side.If he is fully commited to dark side,rey will be dead in starkiller base lol
If seen a couple of these "Duel of Fates" mixes with this fight... This one is the best by far! There's no noticeable fade ins and outs. All of the marks/ beats match with the music... Literally the best one I've ever seen! Amazing job!
I love the prequel duels as much as everyone, but I don't think this duel is as bad as people say. I like that the lightsabers feel more like medieval swords, heavy and dangerous. Their strikes and footwork may not be quick and flashy, but they feel threatening. They actually look like two people going at each other rather than dancing.
Its bad because kylo ren should have being the ultimate badass, and could have being greater if he fought another dude or atleaste a woman like shin hati. Instead we got the goddess of mary sues.
It's not dancing, it's people who know how to fight, some move looks like they were doing dancing. Rey Vs kylo in IX wasnt that bad. But it could have been much better
After watching this again I see that if Kylo wanted to hurt her, he would. He was just toying with her. At first he didn't even attack and just dodged Rey's attacks. And later when Rey turned to push Finn he was just standing behind her, like: "I'll wait". If he wanted he just could slash her in half.
Wow you’re right, dude! :O That shows there might be some good in him somewhere. Just like in his grandpa. Though toying with someone isn’t a good thing obviously but still
@@jase276 he didn’t clap him. Read the lore or watch the scene without a bias. Palp was holding back so he could turn anakin. It was obvious. He’s always at the ready with the lighting if windu tried anything. Palp made work of yoda😂and yoda is my fucking dude but palp was jus on another level only prime anakin could defeat him.
I Think she was consumed by darkerness in this fight due to the dark relic & death star that is why she is the one who started & escalated the fight & stabbed him at the end
LOL 🤣 Btw, hi Mace! Or Mr. Windu if you want me to call you that! You must be from an alternate universe, cause the Mace we know fell out of a window and died.
I just realized something: This track would of been very fitting because it was the soundtrack to the very first duel in the saga - also being the soundtrack to the very last duel.
@@dex9789 Hello fellow TH-camr. I could understand what you're saying. But at the same time though, it could be argued that wasn't the OFFICIAL Duel "so to speak" in a way. It was more like a revealing confrontation. But still, I see what you're saying.
Supposedly, George Lucas himself had some input on this movie, and if that’s true it definitely shows in this fight with how much it rhymes with the Anakin vs Obi-Wan duel in RotS. • Water planet instead of lava. • The Skywalker is calm and being pulled to the Light vs being angry and falling to the Dark. • The Jedi is temperamental and on the offensive instead of calm and on the defensive. “It’s like poetry, it rhymes.”
Every person to ever hold a lightsaber could beat these 2 including the padawan that tried to escape the temple during order 66. & all the sith & most of the jedi we knew could do it 2v1. But i guess thats what u get when the only experienced duelist either of these 2 ever met was luke.... who didnt even spar once & had 2 fights with a record of 1-1 vs a 50 year old with no limbs & half a lung!
Very emotional fight. An epic battle between love and hate. Both never intentionally want to destroy each other. When Rey turns her back to Kylo to push back Finn with her kinestetic power, she actually know Kylo will never hurt her from the back. A masterpiece scene...
As a Star Wars Fan, Lightsabers with Nightstick-Handles & Both Twin-Bladed Lightsaber (Darth Maul) & Knightsword-Lightsaber (Kylo-Ren) are in Different Colours. I’ll Introduce a “Katana-Lightsaber”. The Lightsaber is Shaped Exactly like a Katana. The Lightsaber-handle Is an actual Katana-handle, too.
Such an epic moment: "Duel of the Fates" begins, and at this moment Kylo's hand appears. Kylo Ren my favourite Star Wars sequels character now. But his anger is funny
I think this was the PERFECT edit. It wouldn't have saved the film, but by reusing the music it adds a lot to the scene and helps you draw parallels to the other duels, making it feel cyclical. It's like poetry it rhymes.
People are always hating on Rey and Kylos duels but Kylo Ren is the only person on Star Wars I’ve seen that fought in a duel and had his saber facing behind him towards the end of the scene, I thought that was pretty epic as well. And Kylos outfit and saber looks sick
Not many people know this..but this is so far into the future light saber “duels” are obsolete considering it’s an actual martial art whereas the user uses the force as well as using a saber for combat so now it looks like they’re just swinging at each other..and back in the clone wars you had actual Jedi masters and Sith Lords who practiced the saber arts ..in terms of continuity it’s on the money
The lightsaber fights in this trilogy seem so lazy in comparison to the other movies. This is by far the best one in the new 3 and it’s not even that good. Adam Driver was the only good thing about these movies
I liked the duel in TFA a lot. It was more realistic, with every move they tried to kill each other not jump throwing flips as if they were in a circus. This one is trying to be more exciting but ends up being less, I give you that.
@@csbanki That wasn’t a duel. That was the stupidest interaction of lightsabers in all of the Star Wars world. Absolutely stupid, first time rey picks up a lightsaber she manages to beat Ren?, completely ridiculous
Wtf? People like these duels, they say it looks realistic because the lightsabers feel heavy even tho lightsabers are like not even that heavy compared to steel swords, also these are wizards with crazy amount of stamina, strength, and durability AND the force too. They should be able to pull off such a tricks like in the prequels. Idk why people are so dumb and like the sequels duels even tho they are like unrealistic to Star Wars.
@@CD-R828 A lightsabre that is completely weightless would look terrible, injecting a feeling of weight gives the impression of pwoer which makes them more impressive, thats basic visual psychology. Also those props were hollow plastic tubes, i suspect they weighed less than the prequel carbon rods or the OT aluminium rods. But they move in a way that feels like it would do some damage. If you make something look too unbelievable, it stops looking believable. And for the record, lightsabres beign weighty was the original conception and one of(several) reasons why the ANH fight is so slow (it was way TOO slow, which is why they sped it up a bit after.)
I truly believe this fight could have been 1 million times better with a better much more experienced choreographer. Single blade wielding should have had a lot more maneuverability. Especially when it comes to the concept of the lightsaber. The blade's weight is supposed to be virtually non-existent outside of it's hilt, yet their swinging and handling it like their wielding European long swords.
Notice how Kylo been trained has killed all most the other jedi students he was trained with, was most skilled student out of Luke's new school. Was emesly strong having been part of Skywalker bloodline. Defeated the past leader of knight of Ren in lighsaber combat. Took down a Zillo beast which is a giant monster with lightsaber resistant skin. But he still somehow continued to fail nearly every time against a girl who had less training and less experience. Wow Disney great writing.
The Music really fits this fight scene and honestly it ought to have been in the movie. And I like the way you switched to Battle of the Heroes later on when clearly both characters are close to the dark side because of the impulse to give in to anger.
Can you imagine if Kylo had no connection to Rey at all…she would’ve died in this throne room right when she missed her first swing…he had a million openings in the first 3 seconds and didn’t do anything because he doesn’t want to kill or injure her severely. I genuinely don’t know how people say *”Kylo is weak he can’t even beat Rey”* it’s like are we even watching the same movies…it couldn’t be more obvious that Kylo is leagues more skilled than Rey in every possible way. Even Palpatine knew Kylo was up to something because Rey wasn’t dead yet *”The Jedi apprentice still lives…perhaps you have betrayed me…do not make me turn my fleet against you”* in other words *”If she’s not dead yet, it’s because you are letting her live”* Palpatine knows Kylo could demolish Rey with ease if his mind was on that task…
3 Things. 1) You did amazing with this edit! 2) At 2:55 I love the music kind of calming down so you hear the sound of the sabers clashing, and that aggressive sound Kylo's saber gives off is amazing 3) I love how this whole time Kylo is just toying with Rey. Like at 3:30 when she uses the force to block Kylo's saber strike, and then a few seconds later he's like "That's cute, I can do that too" lol
To be honest, Kylo was the best thing about the sequels. Well... besides Palp's massive Force Lightning which was just an eye candy :p Kylo's character actually had depth and motivation, even if he was more of an anti-hero than a villain. I also like his form when fighting. It's like he lacks proper training, in the Dark Side anyway, and just uses raw power and instinct. Funny, while he is the Dark Side user, he was always more in control of himself than Rey, imo.
In a literary sense, this is the converse of Obi-Wan vs. Anakin: Mustafar's fire envelops them = death (in this case of Anakin) Kef Bir's water envelops Kylo and Rey = rebirth (in this case of Kylo)
@@Carlos-ui5dx that's the reason there are people who like it. It's not as flashy as the prequels, yet it's more fast and energised then the ot, and has more "realistic" feel to it, with it being more dirty amd less claasy and clean. Like a middle ground between the ot and the prequels. Personally, I prefer the prequels and cartoons as fights, but in the specific era the sequels take place, their fighting style makes sense narrative wise in my opinion. But hey, to each is own
@@Carlos-ui5dx it happens all the time during the prequels 😂 They only aim to the swords and not to the person. Even in the original, all choreography have defaults, because the first purpose is to be entertaining not perfectly realistic. And it’s only one detail in the all choreography btw.
Congratulations for actually editing and incorporating the music into the scene rather than just dubbing it over the top of the footage, like so many people seem to think is enough.
Man, the sequels have many problems, but one thing they got right were the lightsaber fights. They feel so much more visceral. Every swing could be a killing blow, it never feels like they're just whiffing air. I love this fight, even with the Leia Ex Machina.
Is this a joke? The sequel fight scenes were the worst of all star wars movies. Big, slow, clunky as strikes and all they do is aim for each others lightsabers. Look at Rey fighting here, the amount of wild swings she was throwing and I was thinking to myself the amount of times Kylo could have just swiped her while she’s flailing around. These fights are pathetic
@@Synpathetix meh I'll excuse it. Since episode 6 the lightsaber fights became less and less over the top and more raw and visceral in-universe. Makes sense for me to continue this trend in the sequels.
@@Synpathetix rather have this than freaking epilepsy on episode 3 anakin vs obi wan while i like the freaking light effect of the lightsaber makes my eyes water but in the sequel the sabers are much more better while i respect the original saber thw newss saber is kinda bad ass cause the noise it makes and how it moves like a fire
@@markz_editz2280 The problem is that they break lightsaber lore. In almost every fight in the trilogy, the blades bounce off each other. Now physically speaking this is accurate. Ionized plasma would do this. However, the lightsaber lore is that the energy given off by the kyber crystal, imbued with the force, will bring the blades closer together and attract them. Depending on who has the more powerful swing or momentum will determine if a person gets staggered or if physical force is met with physical force. Thats why Vader completely bodies Luke in Empire while Luke can match Vaders physical prowess in Jedi. Here however, its as if the character are using physical staffs instead of energized kyber crystals.
4:19 A nice Easter egg here is that this end to the fight mirrors that of return of the jedi, when luke defeated vader. When palpatine states " strike him down and take your father's place at my side ", the same can be said here. Kylo could have just killed her and took a slot at sidious' side like his grandfather, allowing the darkside to take a hold of him yet again, which he does for a moment. But then in the end he chose the light side and fought against the emperor. Then in the actual final battle, ren gets blasted away by sidious and rey defeats him. The one who kylo defeated was the one to help him defeat the emperor. Just like luke and vader.
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Can we all agree.....Duel of Fates is just such an epically orchestrated symphony 🥰
Only if you can tell me when and point me to the person that has ever contested that fact. ;)
Same song in the fight Obi-Wan i Qui-gon-Jin vs Darth maul
It actually makes this sightly more bearable to watch 😅
It is just incredible.
Shame that they used it in this crap.
If this movie was darker, Kylo would’ve win instantly
he never wanted to win tho?
He did win though. The duel was already over when Rey stabbed him with the lightsaber.
@@darthtrip7188 true. and he never wanted to kill her in the first place, this was the first time he almost did it and in that brief moment when Ben was almost completely gone Leia called to him and Rey „killed Kylo“. underrated scene
No, if the corporations weren't constantly scared of interracial relationships and trying to normalize emo millennial culture then Rey would be with Finn and would've killed Kylo. Rey was and is more powerful than Kylo. She outmatched him in telepathy, she can generate force lightning, and her telekinesis is stronger.
@@JJ_LL when it comes to the force, they are both the same. Kylo actually trained her without realizing- for example the prisoner scene at TFA. whenever he challenged her, she had to use the force and learned from it. it explains a lot. and Finn was a good character that was stupidly muted but I still prefer Rey saving Ben and Finn being her first apprentice after TROS
okay that force jump was pretty awesome. What was more impressive was that Kylo landed even further than Rey showing that he'd always been her superior, due to being better trained.
It could be him having more training, but actually I think it's because Rey is weaker due to healing the snake. Rey and Kylo are a Dyad in the Force with equal power, as we see when they split the lightsaber in two in TLJ. But when Rey heals the snake she loses some of that power.
Or it could be because he is the son of someone who’s parent was the strongest force user in the galaxy and Rey is just givin force because plot armor
Due to being *trained (not better)
kylo wanted to kill rey been kill her
He also held her lightsaber in place longer than she could
why does it always seem like kylo grabs the cube with his toes 0:01
Lol yeah, I always thought he was doing a soccer move 😂
Because usually when you stop something that's rolling on the ground you do it with your feet and not with your hands, and if anyone was in that room with Rey it would've been a for e sensitive person so if they were to pick something up with their hands it would be more logical to do it using the force rather than bending down and grabbing it physically with their hands
Exactly i noticed that too
Initially it has a vaguely foot shape.
Only if it's underwear or socks. Lol
Kylo:*Standing over Rey prepared to kill her*
Me:Dew it
😂😂
"Good, Kylo ren, Good. Kill her. Kill her now."
You can tell Kylo is easily toying with Rey this whole fight, if he wanted he could have killed her at any point
Yes, that was exactly the point. For almost the entire duel Kylo is in a defensive style, he barely strikes at Rey.
I guess it proves that Rey is filled with rage but Kylo doesn't want to hurt her and tries to deal with it.
I like kylos brutal and heavy fight styl. As Rey realise she can't beat Him, she try's to copy his styl
you can see her getting tired, he waits it out - i love this fight, and the backdrop and music is intense
Agreed, Rey lost that fight before she ever started it-and Kylo Ren knew it from the start. What he wanted was for her to give in to the Dark Side and be his...well, other half? Queen? Partner?
The thing is, when Rey duels Dark Side Rey briefly, who looks a lot like Kylo Ren? Rey looses that fight too. I have a feeling Dark Side Rey would have slaughtered Kylo Ren-and no, not just because she's a Palpatine. Remember Luke's reaction when Rey reaches out to the Dark Side in the previous film, because it offers answers? Because Rey is drawn to it, while Kylo is drawn to the Light, but refuses it because of what he see's as his family betraying him, starting with Luke when he was a boy?
Rey is a creature of the Dark Side who turns away from it because she met the right people at the right time. Lack of training notwithstanding, she's as powerful as Kylo Ren, easily. But both deny the truth of their natures so cannot be all they could be.
If Rey had been in Kylo Ren's position? She'd have been unstoppable, she never had the family ties he did that stopped him from ever becoming truly evil. Plus, she'd likely have killed Palpatine. If Kylo Ren had been in her position? With family and friends and his Uncle Luke backing him up? He might just have been the one thing who could even possibly stopped Dark Side Rey.
But the sequel trilogy took the easy out of having Rey be a good Soul and never giving into the Dark Side, while Leia's ultimate sacrifice saved her son. If they'd flipped the two in 8? The outcome would have been a lot more interesting...
Doubtful...shes an all powerful mary sue.🙄
Holy hell. This truly proves how much music impacts a scene in a movie. And how important it is.
Music makes the movie. Lee Majors said that without the music of the black man, Oliver Nelson, his 1973 hit tv series, The Six Million Dollar Man, would have just been a white guy running around in slow motion. The truth!
This trilogy had so much potential, unfortunately, it was ruined by multiple issues from the real world. They should've just focused on telling a great story
Issues for the real world 🙄🙄🙄
Facts ruined my childhood 😪
That saga was trash with all do respect
They did
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"Fear leads to anger, anger leads to hate, hate leads to suffering, suffering leads to the dark side"
Rey looks really angry and Kylo looks calm.
Rey is trying with everything she’s got, and Kyle is calm since he outmatches her. He’s playing defensively, while she’s aggressive.
@The_Christian_Kirbo I agree 100 percent. That was the irony of this fight.
I love how this entire duel is the battle between the legacies of Anakin and Vader and in the end Anakin’s wins while Vader’s legacy ends when Kylo throws away the saber. All at the Death Star, where Anakin had his own inner battle in Return of the Jedi before choosing to save his son and return to the light.
Okay that's beautiful
This duel is also a reversed version of the Anakin v Obi Wan fight: it takes place on a water world instead of lava, and the light side user is on the aggressive while the dark side user is the one trying to resolve everything passively
It's poetic. I just wish they didn't fvck up so badly.
@@FirestoneAnimation well I don’t think they did… otherwise the poetry wouldn’t really be there or old any value
@@captainfilip7188 I meant the movies themselves. The duel was relatively solid but the rest was just blegh
I love how this contrasts with their first duel on Starkiller Base. There, Kylo was wounded, unbalanced and losing it from killing his father, which was the only reason Rey walked out of there alive.
Here, Rey is the one that is unbalanced and losing it from learning that she is a Palpatine while Kylo is the one focused and in control to the point he is practically toying with her throughout most of the fight.
i dont care what yall say. an Palpatine fighting a skywalker on the remains of the deathstar is badass
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It sucked as do both the characters.
Et là, les rôles sont inversés. La Palpatine est la gentille, et le Skywalker le "méchant". Et Miss Palpatine (pas Sidious 😉), est bien plus une Skywalker dans son attitude que le véritable Mr Skywalker.
The exact opposite of a lava world….a water world
Exactly. That's what I love about how JJ crafted this duel. Vader burning in lava cemented his turn to the dark side, and Ben speaking with the memory of his father in a water world is what redeemed him.
@@bensherstinskymusic bad duel, bad trilogy, bad director.
Anybody see Kevin Costner around? Lmao
@@STRIPESrt yes…. But he died, braver than most
It's definitely got some good stuff on it's own, but certain moves just don't feel like the star wars I'm use to.
Never seen a Jedi and a Sith mirror each other so perfectly and yet be so different.
The music definitely improves this fight
The way Kylo Ren emerges from the mist is just as creepy as Darth Vader emerging from the shadows.
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Lol, the way she gets up is hilarious.
I know a lot of people hate on Rey’s character, but I personally think Daisy Ridley did an amazing job portraying her nonetheless, especially right here. You can see how she’s fighting herself while she’s fighting Ben. You can see how distracted she is just by her sloppiness. Ben saw it too in this scene. Everyone knows Rey can fight SO much better than how she did right here--she was just too distracted and angry with herself to even really try. Ben didn’t even take advantage of that because he loved her. GREAT ACTING in my opinion.
I love this analysis bro, that’s really cool how you picked up on that. I also agree that Daisy did a phenomenal job. No better actress could have portrayed the granddaughter of Palpatine with nobody parents, lost and finding her place. Daisy is freaking great
Actually i think rey was doing her best. Maybe too much cause she got tired real quick. And on the other hand, kylo was finally in perfect conditions both mentally and physically, compared to their first duel where he was losing blood and emotionally compromised. Even if she wasn't so angry, she wouldn't have stand a chance against the real kylo ren...
Bruh as one of the biggest sw fan ever
Rey is a legend with poor writing to back her.
Daisy was great, too bad all of the rest of the character just simp for her
3:29 - Notice that Rey can only hold Kylo’s lightsaber at bay with the force for like a second and her face indicates immense struggle for even just that second she’s holding it there…
3:35 - While Kylo holds hers with ease for awhile not even looking at it, with such power that it’s literally distorting and bending the plasma of the blade. If you look at Rey, she moves her eyes from the saber to him and then back at the distorting saber almost in awe as she’s realising that he’s not even breaking a sweat here, showing how superior he actually is in the force, being a Skywalker.
3:44 - Rey realising she’s completely outmatched in every way possible and there’s no hope for her to win this fight on her own.
When you factor in the fact that he’s so obviously not even in second gear for this whole entire fight, how he didn’t even need to jump the massive waves because they didn’t pose a real threat to him, how he jumped after Rey and landed ahead of her, how he side stepped her ever swing in the beginning 1:08 without even igniting his lightsaber. I think it’s clear as day that Kylo could’ve killed Rey at any given moment in this trilogy if he actually wanted to, this fight literally wouldn’t have even left the Death Star throne room if he was there to kill her.
Yup, he was just toying with her.
Skywalkers are naturally 2-2,5 times stronger than Palpatines
1:08
He dodges the wrong way, frankly it's in the air of who'd lose the fight, they both seem incompetent.
@@robertdevito5001 i agree lmao
@@robertdevito5001 .... Rey loses so its not in the air. He had Rey completely beat at the end and was about to finish her off. He only gets defeated because Leia passes.
This is probably my favorite scene, mostly because it's an exact mirror to how their first fight went. In this one, Kylo proves to be her superior, perhaps not in raw power but in skill and finesse.
In raw power,he will be far better than ray,but he is confused be light side and dark side.If he is fully commited to dark side,rey will be dead in starkiller base lol
first movie did him an injustice imo, but in this one he was definitely too strong and powerful for rey to seriously fight.
If seen a couple of these "Duel of Fates" mixes with this fight... This one is the best by far! There's no noticeable fade ins and outs. All of the marks/ beats match with the music... Literally the best one I've ever seen! Amazing job!
Thank you so much!
I love this duel, the other characters should never have been that close. This is between Kylo and Rey only.
I love the prequel duels as much as everyone, but I don't think this duel is as bad as people say. I like that the lightsabers feel more like medieval swords, heavy and dangerous. Their strikes and footwork may not be quick and flashy, but they feel threatening. They actually look like two people going at each other rather than dancing.
Yessss
I don't think Ep. IX is a good movie, but i like this duel, and it shows that Kylo Ren is stronger than Rey
Its bad because kylo ren should have being the ultimate badass, and could have being greater if he fought another dude or atleaste a woman like shin hati. Instead we got the goddess of mary sues.
Lightsabers shouldn't feel like they're heavy
It's not dancing, it's people who know how to fight, some move looks like they were doing dancing. Rey Vs kylo in IX wasnt that bad. But it could have been much better
After watching this again I see that if Kylo wanted to hurt her, he would. He was just toying with her. At first he didn't even attack and just dodged Rey's attacks. And later when Rey turned to push Finn he was just standing behind her, like: "I'll wait". If he wanted he just could slash her in half.
Wow you’re right, dude! :O
That shows there might be some good in him somewhere. Just like in his grandpa. Though toying with someone isn’t a good thing obviously but still
Choosing 2:02, and 3:28 onwards to sync each score was genius. Hollywood couldn't've done it better. Masterful.
This is one of the most one-sided duels I've seen in a good long time.
Maybe since vader vs luke in episode 5 ?
@@stormbringer2840 nah dooku vs anakin and obi wan. Dude would’ve killed both of them with ease of yoda didn’t save them
@@zampy8706
Good point , Anakin did offer a little challenge at first tho , until dooku decided to end it .
@@zampy8706 Idk, Windu clapped Palpatine pretty hard and easily in Episode 3. Dude almost ended the entire series right then and there
@@jase276 he didn’t clap him. Read the lore or watch the scene without a bias. Palp was holding back so he could turn anakin. It was obvious. He’s always at the ready with the lighting if windu tried anything. Palp made work of yoda😂and yoda is my fucking dude but palp was jus on another level only prime anakin could defeat him.
Wait…wait a minute. So a music edit and some scene cutting actually turned this scene into an epic Star Wars moment for me? You sir are a genius.
Duel of the Fates really can make everything better
Kylo looks more like a Jedi than Rey lol
The fact that Kylo tanks a tidal wave of over 20 ft and just walks out like nothing happened. Jesus baby vader chill!
I like how kylo looks more like a Jedi fighting than rey he looked calm and relaxed while rey is grunting and looking mad as hell
I Think she was consumed by darkerness in this fight due to the dark relic & death star that is why she is the one who started & escalated the fight & stabbed him at the end
Tbf, Rey always fought like this. She's always yelling and letting her emotions run wild during fights
*Duel of the Fates Starts playing*
Kylo and Rey: Wait that's the wrong music
Maul: *Appears*
Kylo and Rey: Oh shi-
LOL 🤣
Btw, hi Mace! Or Mr. Windu if you want me to call you that!
You must be from an alternate universe, cause the Mace we know fell out of a window and died.
I just realized something: This track would of been very fitting because it was the soundtrack to the very first duel in the saga - also being the soundtrack to the very last duel.
sitll dk why they don't use this music, only to sell new ones...
The first Duel was Qui Gon and Darth Maul on Tatooine. Duel of Fates was not played.
@@dex9789 Hello fellow TH-camr. I could understand what you're saying. But at the same time though, it could be argued that wasn't the OFFICIAL Duel "so to speak" in a way. It was more like a revealing confrontation. But still, I see what you're saying.
Supposedly, George Lucas himself had some input on this movie, and if that’s true it definitely shows in this fight with how much it rhymes with the Anakin vs Obi-Wan duel in RotS.
• Water planet instead of lava.
• The Skywalker is calm and being pulled to the Light vs being angry and falling to the Dark.
• The Jedi is temperamental and on the offensive instead of calm and on the defensive.
“It’s like poetry, it rhymes.”
First time I’ve watched this scene since the movie was released and theaters and it just angers me how much better it could have been.
It angers me how much better whole trilogy could've been.
Every person to ever hold a lightsaber could beat these 2 including the padawan that tried to escape the temple during order 66. & all the sith & most of the jedi we knew could do it 2v1.
But i guess thats what u get when the only experienced duelist either of these 2 ever met was luke.... who didnt even spar once & had 2 fights with a record of 1-1 vs a 50 year old with no limbs & half a lung!
I can’t believe Adam Driver can even still walk after carrying the sequel trilogy in his back like that.
Loved it. Especially the part when they see the first wave coming and the music rises with the voices crescendo. It's a good mix. Thank you.
And yes this score made this fight truly epic. The music gave it the gravitas it needed in the movie. Thanks for the edit.
3:28 the timing with the music and the sabers was perfect
Literally just shows how music can impact a scene, something Disney has never understood about duels in the sequels.
Wow. When “Battle of the Heroes” came in, it was just incredible. So well done.
Very emotional fight. An epic battle between love and hate. Both never intentionally want to destroy each other. When Rey turns her back to Kylo to push back Finn with her kinestetic power, she actually know Kylo will never hurt her from the back. A masterpiece scene...
Kylo Ren was like, "Is that all you got"
As a Star Wars Fan,
Lightsabers with Nightstick-Handles & Both Twin-Bladed Lightsaber (Darth Maul) & Knightsword-Lightsaber (Kylo-Ren) are in Different Colours.
I’ll Introduce a “Katana-Lightsaber”.
The Lightsaber is Shaped Exactly like a Katana. The Lightsaber-handle Is an actual Katana-handle, too.
This is the best edit I've seen. The way you incorporated duel of the fates and battle of the heroes. Very well done.
3:15 When your parents say to get out of the pool because it’s time to go home.
That was funny.
@@bensherstinskymusic thanks Brotha 🤣
0:02 if this was in the theater the audience would literally scream
Such an epic moment: "Duel of the Fates" begins, and at this moment Kylo's hand appears. Kylo Ren my favourite Star Wars sequels character now. But his anger is funny
Disney how hard was this bro. Makes this fight 10x better
I think this was the PERFECT edit. It wouldn't have saved the film, but by reusing the music it adds a lot to the scene and helps you draw parallels to the other duels, making it feel cyclical.
It's like poetry it rhymes.
Best part is seeing Kylo disappearing behind the wave chasing Rey.
2:25 the timing of the chorus as we see the huge wave approaching gave me goosebumps. Great editing work!
People are always hating on Rey and Kylos duels but Kylo Ren is the only person on Star Wars I’ve seen that fought in a duel and had his saber facing behind him towards the end of the scene, I thought that was pretty epic as well. And Kylos outfit and saber looks sick
Hell yeah. APPRECIATING Star Wars as it should be. Epic comment
Hes the best character of the sequels and a fitting descendant of the skywalkers
@@Kinyr fs
@@Kinyr Fitting descendant ahhahaha
This is the best/ most believable part of the whole movie.
The fight , the visual effects of the high waves and the music all come together perfectly
3:28 the blade collision suits the rythm
This fits so well with how you’ve edited it. Absolutely incredible!
And all of sudden , this fight feels and looks so much better.
OH MAN! The "Battle of Heroes" section's sync with the lightsaber attacks was flawless!
I'm sorry but the lightsaber duels in this trilogy is trash
No giggities?
I agree. The stunt coordinator should've been destroyed by either the Sith or the Jedi.
It sucked.
Where is Ray Parks when u need him?
straight dumpster fire.
Not many people know this..but this is so far into the future light saber “duels” are obsolete considering it’s an actual martial art whereas the user uses the force as well as using a saber for combat so now it looks like they’re just swinging at each other..and back in the clone wars you had actual Jedi masters and Sith Lords who practiced the saber arts ..in terms of continuity it’s on the money
giggity giggity goo😂
Best edit I’ve seen. Love how seamless the music transitions are!
Thanks!
The lightsaber fights in this trilogy seem so lazy in comparison to the other movies. This is by far the best one in the new 3 and it’s not even that good. Adam Driver was the only good thing about these movies
I liked the duel in TFA a lot. It was more realistic, with every move they tried to kill each other not jump throwing flips as if they were in a circus.
This one is trying to be more exciting but ends up being less, I give you that.
@@csbanki That wasn’t a duel. That was the stupidest interaction of lightsabers in all of the Star Wars world. Absolutely stupid, first time rey picks up a lightsaber she manages to beat Ren?, completely ridiculous
Wtf? People like these duels, they say it looks realistic because the lightsabers feel heavy even tho lightsabers are like not even that heavy compared to steel swords, also these are wizards with crazy amount of stamina, strength, and durability AND the force too. They should be able to pull off such a tricks like in the prequels. Idk why people are so dumb and like the sequels duels even tho they are like unrealistic to Star Wars.
@@CD-R828 A lightsabre that is completely weightless would look terrible, injecting a feeling of weight gives the impression of pwoer which makes them more impressive, thats basic visual psychology. Also those props were hollow plastic tubes, i suspect they weighed less than the prequel carbon rods or the OT aluminium rods. But they move in a way that feels like it would do some damage.
If you make something look too unbelievable, it stops looking believable.
And for the record, lightsabres beign weighty was the original conception and one of(several) reasons why the ANH fight is so slow (it was way TOO slow, which is why they sped it up a bit after.)
@@Wirrn do I care? It’s Star Wars not real life 💀.
I want to see something that’s unbelievable anyways, that’s the whole point of Star Wars lmao 😂.
I truly believe this fight could have been 1 million times better with a better much more experienced choreographer. Single blade wielding should have had a lot more maneuverability. Especially when it comes to the concept of the lightsaber. The blade's weight is supposed to be virtually non-existent outside of it's hilt, yet their swinging and handling it like their wielding European long swords.
This soundtrack is awesome and works great with the scene.
I forgot how good this battle was, highly underrated
Notice how Kylo been trained has killed all most the other jedi students he was trained with, was most skilled student out of Luke's new school. Was emesly strong having been part of Skywalker bloodline. Defeated the past leader of knight of Ren in lighsaber combat. Took down a Zillo beast which is a giant monster with lightsaber resistant skin. But he still somehow continued to fail nearly every time against a girl who had less training and less experience. Wow Disney great writing.
The Music really fits this fight scene and honestly it ought to have been in the movie. And I like the way you switched to Battle of the Heroes later on when clearly both characters are close to the dark side because of the impulse to give in to anger.
Can you imagine if Kylo had no connection to Rey at all…she would’ve died in this throne room right when she missed her first swing…he had a million openings in the first 3 seconds and didn’t do anything because he doesn’t want to kill or injure her severely.
I genuinely don’t know how people say *”Kylo is weak he can’t even beat Rey”* it’s like are we even watching the same movies…it couldn’t be more obvious that Kylo is leagues more skilled than Rey in every possible way.
Even Palpatine knew Kylo was up to something because Rey wasn’t dead yet *”The Jedi apprentice still lives…perhaps you have betrayed me…do not make me turn my fleet against you”* in other words *”If she’s not dead yet, it’s because you are letting her live”* Palpatine knows Kylo could demolish Rey with ease if his mind was on that task…
It’s just bad choreography.
@@youmode562 it's really not
3 Things.
1) You did amazing with this edit!
2) At 2:55 I love the music kind of calming down so you hear the sound of the sabers clashing, and that aggressive sound Kylo's saber gives off is amazing
3) I love how this whole time Kylo is just toying with Rey. Like at 3:30 when she uses the force to block Kylo's saber strike, and then a few seconds later he's like "That's cute, I can do that too" lol
To be honest, Kylo was the best thing about the sequels. Well... besides Palp's massive Force Lightning which was just an eye candy :p Kylo's character actually had depth and motivation, even if he was more of an anti-hero than a villain. I also like his form when fighting. It's like he lacks proper training, in the Dark Side anyway, and just uses raw power and instinct. Funny, while he is the Dark Side user, he was always more in control of himself than Rey, imo.
In a literary sense, this is the converse of Obi-Wan vs. Anakin:
Mustafar's fire envelops them = death (in this case of Anakin)
Kef Bir's water envelops Kylo and Rey = rebirth (in this case of Kylo)
This is seriously underrated
Works really well with the new music! Nice job!
The music makes this fight scene so much better!
Love your editing,the sound of the raging waters added the intense moment.❤️
Thank you :)))
Thank you for adding actual emotional significance to this fight scene!
Very good edit… you sincronized perfectly the music with the scene
Duel of the Fates made this 100x more epic
“So anyway, I started composin”
You sir, deserve a pin.
I think this fight is really amazing and this music just makes it even better. Thanks for it!
1:13 sword trusting and moving it to the side aiming at nothing lol, for me it looks like they're trying to hit a piñata, but it's just my opinion.
@@Carlos-ui5dx that's the reason there are people who like it. It's not as flashy as the prequels, yet it's more fast and energised then the ot, and has more "realistic" feel to it, with it being more dirty amd less claasy and clean. Like a middle ground between the ot and the prequels. Personally, I prefer the prequels and cartoons as fights, but in the specific era the sequels take place, their fighting style makes sense narrative wise in my opinion. But hey, to each is own
@@Carlos-ui5dx it happens all the time during the prequels 😂 They only aim to the swords and not to the person. Even in the original, all choreography have defaults, because the first purpose is to be entertaining not perfectly realistic. And it’s only one detail in the all choreography btw.
still not as good as anakin vs obi wan
the fight is shit
That was actually really cool. Nice job!!
That was Awesome 🔥🙏
Congratulations for actually editing and incorporating the music into the scene rather than just dubbing it over the top of the footage, like so many people seem to think is enough.
Thanks!!
The last moment of this scene pretty much showed the truth, *Rey never had the high ground.*
Yaaaas. YAAASS FINALLY! Finally someone did it! It fits soo well!
I love how this fight gets trashed on until someone puts Duel of the Fates in the background and everyone in the comment section is praising it
Man, the sequels have many problems, but one thing they got right were the lightsaber fights. They feel so much more visceral. Every swing could be a killing blow, it never feels like they're just whiffing air.
I love this fight, even with the Leia Ex Machina.
Is this a joke? The sequel fight scenes were the worst of all star wars movies. Big, slow, clunky as strikes and all they do is aim for each others lightsabers. Look at Rey fighting here, the amount of wild swings she was throwing and I was thinking to myself the amount of times Kylo could have just swiped her while she’s flailing around. These fights are pathetic
@@Synpathetix Reys fighting style makes sense for her character
@@Synpathetix meh I'll excuse it. Since episode 6 the lightsaber fights became less and less over the top and more raw and visceral in-universe. Makes sense for me to continue this trend in the sequels.
@@Synpathetix rather have this than freaking epilepsy on episode 3 anakin vs obi wan while i like the freaking light effect of the lightsaber makes my eyes water but in the sequel the sabers are much more better while i respect the original saber thw newss saber is kinda bad ass cause the noise it makes and how it moves like a fire
@@markz_editz2280 The problem is that they break lightsaber lore. In almost every fight in the trilogy, the blades bounce off each other. Now physically speaking this is accurate. Ionized plasma would do this. However, the lightsaber lore is that the energy given off by the kyber crystal, imbued with the force, will bring the blades closer together and attract them. Depending on who has the more powerful swing or momentum will determine if a person gets staggered or if physical force is met with physical force. Thats why Vader completely bodies Luke in Empire while Luke can match Vaders physical prowess in Jedi. Here however, its as if the character are using physical staffs instead of energized kyber crystals.
Oh, this is perfect!
This was actually amazing
Klyo: u were once the trainer now I am the master
i got chills with the battle of the heroes
4:19 A nice Easter egg here is that this end to the fight mirrors that of return of the jedi, when luke defeated vader.
When palpatine states " strike him down and take your father's place at my side ", the same can be said here. Kylo could have just killed her and took a slot at sidious' side like his grandfather, allowing the darkside to take a hold of him yet again, which he does for a moment. But then in the end he chose the light side and fought against the emperor.
Then in the actual final battle, ren gets blasted away by sidious and rey defeats him. The one who kylo defeated was the one to help him defeat the emperor. Just like luke and vader.
Wow, I never noticed that. That’s really cool!
i loved the moment right after this scene where harrison ford was like, “f yeah, money”
This really is more intense then the original rise of skywalker film
Kylo was such a better character than Rey
I like Rey and have a crush on her even though she’s waaaay older than me, but I agree! Kylo is much better! And one of the best characters imo!
damn its amazing what a good score can change a scene
This made this fight enjoyable. Really wish they used this track now
You know Rey is a Bad Duelist, when Kylo isn't even fighting and he is still in advantage
As someone who actually doesn’t hate the sequels, I’ll say this is the exact type of edit that this scene needed to become great.
If only Rey could have been wearing her new outfit from TLJ in this movie. She truly looked like a Jedi
This works amazingly fair play !