We tried High School of the Dead drinking game. Take a drink for everytime they refer to the zombies as 'them', every blood splat, every panty/bra shot, every zombie and human death. We were hammered by the time the opening started in the first episode.
I think Trunks still thought he could change the past instead of creating a parallel universe, so he thought "Let me go back earlier to give them more time"
But that’s the problem, when trunks traveled to the timeline (the one goku survives his heart disease) he was confused when he saw android 16, a new android he never saw in other timelines. Which he really screwed up by not learning enough of time travel. Edit: trunks also in one episode of DBZ saw gero but didn’t recognized him, which is strange because gero was the one who created the androids.
@@jonathanruiz9062 it's not as strange if you consider that Gero was killed when 17 and 18 were activated. Trunks wouldn't have any idea what he would even look like.
No wonder Supreme Kai of Time punished him with maintaining time. She couldn't deal with his and cell's bullshit anymore of handling time. Same with Goku black and zamasu trying to kill trunks😂
It does make sense for the original trunks to come back a year before Frieza arrived. He specifically told goku, if he knew where the lab was, he’d be there instead.
@@QaamansLand Yes, just like bulma wanted. However the original trunks would not have known about the bunker underneath the lab without piccolo telling him.
@@QaamansLand yo thx for the explanation of the most sophisticated shit in dragon ball 🤦😅...bro even after explaining all of that I still find it harder to at least memorize 😂
@@QaamansLand Thanks much respect, your the first to explain the unseen timeline so conveniently. Since piccolo from the unseen timeline never battled cell, he never passed that info to the original trunk. So cell from the unseen timeline must still be alive. I could be wrong tho lol
The true explanation on why Trunks had the time machine set for a year earlier is that Toriyama just wasn't paying attention to his writing. But of course that's no fun to think about, lol. I'm surprised no one has made any fan manga depicting the unseen timeline, I would love to read any if it exists. Anyways, great video! Been a subscriber since 2015. Always look forward to your stuff!
No I don't think so. There's no evidence of that. And it seems deliberate that Toriyama uses diverging timelines instead of altering. And that he made cell create a divergent one. It's all in the text that acknowledges all this. And even acknowledges that Cell doesn't know why ect. It's definitely convenient for Toriyama but it's also on purpose.
The MULTIVERSE theory. I have always believed that the world that CELL and Trunks come from are actually other versions of Earth that exist in the MULTIVERSE, and that there really are more than 18 Universes. That the Earth of Trunks was the main one but when traveling to the past, I create a new Earth, I also believe that the Earth of CELL is a simple variation of the Earth of Trunks,Possibly that version of Trunks discovered the controls of the androids and destroyed them, in a nutshell he was a little smarter After destroying them, he decided to go to the past to a date that will not alter the timeline too much... a date in which there was no one and following his mother's original idea Kill the androids while they were disabled...
Think of it this way…. A teenage trunks grows up in a reality where goku died from the heart virus and watches his friends die from androids. After about 20 years of this he decides “hey I’ll go back in time and give goku heart medication” he creates “fixed timeline1” once he’s done that, he then goes back to his home timeline to disable androids 17&18 with a remote. After he kills them he plans to return to the “fixed timeline1” but is instead then killed by cell. (Original cell from bad timeline 1)..Then cell says “I’m gonna travel back in time but I’m gonna go back 1 extra year than when trunks traveled to”. When he does this however he creates 2 whole new timelines (because he didn’t go back to the exact same reality trunks went to). He makes 1 new “original/bad timeline” and 1 New “fixed timeline” (this is a result of him making a whole new future trunks who would travel to our timeline to give our goku heart medication) Once he arrived at his destination (the main timeline/our timeline) he buries himself underground for 4 years to let things play out (let future trunks show up/ let androids 17&18 awaken) when all of these events take place he wakes up from his hibernation and becomes the main villain of the “cell saga” of our timeline that we all know and love…… in summary there are 4 total timelines involved… the “bad timeline 1”, “fixed timeline 1” … as well as “bad timeline 2” and “fixed timeline 2”(the 2 timelines cell created) …. Pause your screen on 1:26 … look at the way he has the timelines drawn out and then read back the story in this comment. I hope this was a good explanation
Also I want to explain to you why he’s talking about an “unseen timeline” in short as you now know from my explanation, one of the 4 timelines looked exactly like ours. (Where goku gets medication and fights androids. Only in that reality there was no cell.) the “unseen timeline” is where the android 13 movie takes place. And the trunks you see in that movie is the same trunks that gets killed by cell
I always liked to consider DBZ movie 7 "Super Android 13" was set in the "UNSEEN" timeline after Trunks helped that time's Z Warriors defeat the Androids, before he goes back to his future to defeat his own time's 17 and 18 prior to that future's Cell eventually killing him.
@@91Definite Trunks probably killed Cell unknowingly while he was in his chamber in the unseen timeline. Trunks had to go there to get the blueprints to build the shutdown device. Trunks would have just blown up the lab as he did in the dbz anime with Krillen. I assume the Z fighters were able to defeat Android 17 and 18 with the shutdown device or maybe a combination of fighting as well. That's why we don't see 17 and 18 in the movie but the characters are not surprised to see Androids. Gohan also looks very young and can't transform into a super Saiyan that's because he never went into a hyperbolic time chamber because, in the unseen timeline, they don't have to deal with Cell.
I think the best way to explain the plot hole is that Trunks accidentally put in the wrong date in the time machine, and before he could correct himself, Cell killed him.
I don't know which timeline is darker. The unseen one or the history of trunks one. Everybody died in the unseen timeline, but I imagine they reunited in the afterlife. But the history of trunks timeline was erased entirely so even those who were already dead cease to exist.
@@josh-kg1rb babidi wouldnt come since there’s no one left on earth really with a super saiyan level above power level to feed off of if all of the z fighters are dead and so is trunks . All that’s left is Roshi and Potentially Yajirobe depending on media material .
To be honest, if Trunks decided to go back early, possibly to assassinate, then it is possible that the Unseen Timeline had a bad outcome. And it is possible this outcome was related to Android 16. Even if 18 and 17 got shut down, he might have killed Goku and maybe the other Z-fighters who stood in his way.
@@codesm96 Of course 16 was there. We do not know why 16 was not activated in the original timeline, but he is certainly there. Whether he is activated or not remains a mystery. His activation would have made him the greatest threat in the unseen timeline. So if the unseen timeline ended badly, 16 is likely the reason.
I am so glad that there's someone out there educating people about the different timelines of trunks. Ever since they showed the scene where cell takes trunks's time machine, there's been a lot of confusion. And your videos perfectly sums up everything. 👍
@@paraic9163 your not wrong. I'm with you on that. But in his video he made some good points and pointed out some good facts. I think his explanation helps.
I love how krillin found love in android 18. She doesn’t have much to say in episodes after this, but what she does say, it’s evident she loves being a mother.
5:55 I feel like a way to explain this plot hole is maybe with how Trunks's machine works with him selecting the timeline to go to with the controls with an upmaybe he was going like "Age 759, Age 760, Age 761, Age 762, Age 763..." then Cell shows up before he can get any further and killed him. Idk just my thoughts lol. Great video as always!
I just figure he was killed before he could set the time machine. His stated intention doesn't mean he was set and ready to go. It might have been the destination in his last trip.
This is the best logical explanation as in why Trunks would go back a year earlier after he used the device to destroy both androids. Remember when Dr Gero pointed the device to attempt to destroy 17 but end up failing. Here's how the story would go. A whole struggle would have to occur just to press the button on the device. Trunks appear again in front of the androids, he points the device to 17 and presses the button thus destroying him instantly. 18 sees this decides to attack trunks to get the device off of his hands. A whole struggle happens here just to get control of the device, finally trunks is able to gain control over the device and press the button immediately to end 18. Trunks realized he was lucky to press the button to defeat the androids. After being traumatized from this incident, he rather go back in time a year before to destroy the androids 17 and 18 before activating.
this even possible someone died like her mother, or grand parents, or just someone that dears to him or his family was hurt badly, that Trunks decided a redo one more time i also have this theory that time travel is punishable by death, by fate, like Trunks travelled back to the past and got killed by Cell, then this Cell goes back in time too and managed to be perfect but still dies, then the Trunks from future that helped in the tournament almost dies as well
OK so my head cannon has always been that Cell said "I just pressed a button, the machine did the rest" he has no idea what he did, he doesn't understand the time machine, there's no reason Trunks would go back a further year knowing it'd just create another timeline where things could 'go right" or "go wrong", so I think he didn't. I think Cell just pressed a bunch of buttons and it happened to bring him back a year earlier, its a better explanation than I've heard so far
So many timelines😵💫, All I know is there were 3 cells that get destroyed (perfect cell, fetus cell, imperfect cell) with a possibility of a 4th one being in future Trunk's timeline who we never saw going after the future androids, so it's safe to assume that cell is also dead.
True. We can only assume that Trunks created various time paradoxes by messing around with past events. That 4th Cell you mentioned might have been killed off in it's by fetus stage by another Trunks, therefore he never time traveled to Future Trunk's timeline.
@@Mahlak_Mriuani_Anatman thank you. Cuz I was just thinking that with this video, and another one I was watching. There has to be one cell running around out there unchallenged. A world where cell never goes back in time. So he's running around in imperfect form. With trunks and the Androids already gone. And maybe I'm thinking way too wide now, but these universes are always built upon so having the idea to go back in time to absorb androids. Or trunks and Bulma making the time machine before they are killed. Correct me if I'm wrong but those two things seem to be in almost every timeline. Which is cool I'm just thinking here. Is there, could wood or should there be, a universe where they never even think of a time machine, and the Androids finish off trunks, then cell absorbs them? What does trunks always find the shutdown device??
I'm confused, how was the History of trunks timeline created? was it always separate, and unconnected to both Original, and unseen and it's cause of plot they are the similar, or was history of trunks timeline also created via time travel
It’s because when Cell went back before trunks, trunks basically still did what he did, but bc cell went back before, the “changes” is what diverged the timelines to create the history of trunks bc a new timeline was still bound to be created from trunks but would be separate bc of cell
Original timeline Trunks was the only one who travelled back to the unseen timeline, Cell did not travel back because he went further behind in time and created the main and history of Trunks timelines instead. The reason Trunks travelled back to unseen timeline was because Z-fighters were murdered by the androids in the OG timeline, same as History of Trunks timeline. Trunks likely blew up the lab killing fetus Cell in the unseen timeline as with the main timeline without knowing what Cell actually was, but seeing him develop in the lab was a risk too big to take to leave alone, main timeline they knew what that fetus was because they already encountered Cell who gave Piccolo all the info needed. Because Cell had finally matured by the time Trunks had arrived back from the unseen timeline to the OG timeline, in his very first appearance to any of the Z fighters he murdered Trunks and went back even further to the main timeline. Main timeline BOTH Trunks and Cell have travelled back, Cell split off a new timeline going back further but it did not change and only repeated Trunks going back at the same time he did in the unseen timeline, the only new addition was Cell, that 2nd Trunks that went back to Main timeline exactly like he did in unseen timeline IS the History of Trunks timeline being created along with main timeline. If it wasn't for cell arriving back to the main timeline from the original timeline by going one year further back, there would be NO History of Trunks timeline as well as the main timeline, both are intertwined, one could not be created without the other if that makes sense.
Not to sure if it's been explained in the video but the discrepancy I find confusing is that Trunks in the unseen timeline initially set out a point in time which could be either similar time frame to when HoT-Trunks arrived in our timeline or it could have been the one year before. Then Cell uses the time machine but for some reason, he branches off from the unseen timeline; past timeline and ends up in ours? So if the unseen timeline is the original one? Then Trunks creates another timeline going back (which we never see as far as we are concerned), which would mean there's 2. Then Cell goes back from the unseen and creates another timeline, which ends up being ours. But in ours, there exist a future timeline, a branch of ours; where by History of Trunks; Trunks comes in at any point after his original point in time. So it seems like if you go back 300 years or any point in time, you create a separate timeline but if you go back beyond THAT first point in time, you create an additional timeline? Atleast with the time machine, right? Qaaman do a video on if Cell remained in his imperfect state going from the unseen to ours. He cuts half of his torso to fit in the machine. He arrives in out timeline in-tack and then finds Gero at his lab. Gero mentions that 17/18 are complete but their programming requires more work but since Cell is here, he allows him to absorb the androids right here and now (let's say even in their cryo-condition, Cell can attain and ultilize them the same if they were awake etc... How fare would the Zfighters be?
I'm trying to make sense of what you're saying. Cell never once went back to the Unseen timeline. Only Trunks did. That was set 3 years before the arrival of the androids in the Unseen timeline. When Trunks tried going back the machine was programmed to return even earlier, 4 years before the arrival of the androids, which is when Cell found Trunks, killed him and used the time machine to travel 4 years before the androids arrived. As the Time machine has been set further back before Trunks first visit to the past (unseen timeline 3 years before androids arrival), a new timeline was created. This new timeline is the Main timeline that we watched DBZ in because it is the only one where Cell returned back even further into the past (4 years instead of 3 years before androids arrival), that Cell ends up absorbing the androids. The reason why the unseen timeline is called unseen is because we never see a single thing that happens in this timeline at all but it definitely the one Trunks came back from and was going back to before Cell killed him, for some mistaken reason the time machine was set a year before the set date Trunks wanted to return to which ended up creating the Main timeline that Cell went back to. Hope we are on the same page...I think
@@zhadowblade I figured, but I always liked the idea because they never specified which victims, and both that version of cell and trunks are from the same timeline, but obviously at that point shenron probably couldn’t bring people from other timelines back
No wonder Future Gohan was upset with Future Trunks with his behavior of traveling back and forth through Time multiple times and messing around with time and ending up destroying the dragon balls 😭🤧
Technically speaking, this should mean that Bad Timeline 2 should have 2 Cells, though I supposed Trunks could've just killed one of the Cells off screen, which I find more likely than one Cell absorbing the other Cell
@@QaamansLand If Cell went back to the time LONG BEFORE Goku was affected by the Heart Virus, which is around when History was truly changed, then there'd be a 2nd Cell hiding not just in the Main Timeline, but also Trunks' since the Main Timeline was branched out from the point when Trunks first appeared from the Future.
The unseen timeline is very interesting if tarble came to earth found out about the z fighters and vegetas death and then remember about broly and find him wouldve been so cool seeing that pair
I love your channel. I never seen someone that’s as much of dragon ball lore nut as me 😂 I’ve yet to see you say anything that isn’t str8 facts. Keep up the amazing work, bro ❤
Only 2 timelines, Trunks timeline and Goku timeline, and they are like different dimensions. Timelines don't affect eachother but can be changed by time travel within themselves. - Trunks travel from Timelime 1 to Timeline 2, saves goku and goes back to T1 -Trunks returns to T2 to help fight the androids -Goku and his group defeats the androids. Trunks gets stronger -Trunks return to T1 and kills the androids -Cell kills Trunks -Cell travel to the past of T2 (first instance of time travel within a timeline) -Cell mere presence change the events of the T2 to the ones we see on the show -Wouldn't that change Trunks story and in turn Cell's? No Timelines can't affect eachother, only time travel can change them. -Trunks arrives in T2 (as he should because T1 past remains unchanged) -Cells is eventually defeated -Trunks goes back to T1 (second instance of time travel within a timeline. The events of his previous return, including his dead, are erased) -he kills the androids and later Cell -Wouldn't that mean that Cell didn't travel to T2 so changing the events? No, because timelines don't affect eachother, only time travel within themselves can change them
This was a dope video, I was always curious as to what would happen in the "unseen timeline". My personal take on it would be due to the androids being defeated by a device, cell and android 16 not being present, as well as the Z Fighters not going into "The room of spirit and time". In theory this would be the timeline where super android 13 takes place.
I always figured Cell changed the date to be a year earlier so that he had time to regain his power in secret before the cyborgs appeared. Also if in the unseen timeline Trunks trained with his father like in the one we saw, he probably was strong enough to defeat the cyborgs on his own without a shutdown remote and lost to Cell because he was caught off guard.
I hear you but Qaaman was right to address this plothole. Cell specifically said the time machine was pre-programmed to go back into the past at a certain date and all he had to do was push the button. He never chose the time, if it was in error, only Trunks could have made that mistake and tbh there is absolutely no reason for Trunks to travel that far back since he already travelled to the past before in the Unseen timeline to warn of the androids. The only plausible explanation is either Trunks programmed the return date incorrectly and was going to adjust it when he went into the time machine or that Toriyama simply forgot this detail. If Cell never explicitly said that the time was pre-programmed and that he only needed to push the button to go to that time, what you said may be a plausible explanation. Also, there is no way in at all that Trunks could have EVER been killed by Cell EVEN if he was caught off guard if he trained in the Hyperbolic Time Chamber. That simply is not possible, even if he didn't know a damn thing about Cell he would have sensed him out as best as he could. Cell was not powerful enough to kill Trunks after training in the Hyperbolic Time Chamber. The power gap between 1st form Cell and Trunks after training is unbelievable, that is why Trunks was more than powerful enough to disintegrate every single last cell of Cell when he destroyed him when he returned to the future in H.O.T timeline. The only plausible explanation for Trunks being killed the way he was in the Original timeline is the fact that they must have used a shutdown device on the Androids or it must have been someone else who directly fought the Androids and won before Trunks managed to obtain a shutdown device that would work in his own time, therefore Trunks never trained in the Hyperbolic Time Chamber. It makes absolutely no sense how Trunks who is powerful enough to at least go toe to toe with Perfect Cell at least in terms of raw power could ever be killed by Imperfect Cell who could barely absorb any humans in the post apocalyptic world in the Original timeline, that Cell was even weak enough for Piccolo fused with Kami to beat and the androids together could beat Cell in that state. Cell got a lot stronger when he evaded Piccolo, Trunks and Krillin the entire time to absorb as many humans as possible, even that Cell who literally wrecked both Piccolo and 17 single handedly after absorbing so many people would have been killed by Trunks because the power difference is still too much.
@@codesm96 Power levels can be hidden and as a great man once said, "Power levels are bullshit!" In one of the movies we even see Goku in Super Saiyan Blue get shot in the chest with one of those wrist mounted energy blasters Freiza's men use; if that isn't proof of an amazingly weaker fighter managing to land a killing blow on an astronomically stronger enemy with a sneak attack, I don't know what is. Also while Trunks was stronger than Imperfect Cell, that was only in his Super Saiyan form; base Trunks would be far weaker and has no knowledge of Cell's abilities (he also never goes SS during their fight). For all we know Cell hit him with the Solar Flare and broke his neck, not flashy but effective.
@@DarkcIoud1111. You are using head canon. It's not in anyway possible for Cell to kill Trunks if he trained in the HTC, not even remotely. Not even if Trunks didn't transform yet because he would have immediately and his base power is considerably higher as well after extensive training, not just his Super Saiyan form. Don't EVER use Super logic to explain events in Z because Super has far too many plotholes and retcons. Trunks after training in the HTC was powerful enough to fight Perfect Cell and rival his strength, even if he couldn't do jack with it due to his form limiting his movement and reducing his speed. Trunks was too powerful to be killed even off guard but Cell couldn't increase his power without Trunks sensing him and Trunks is so much faster and stronger than him and his other counterpart. Only a weaker fighter could be killed or if Cell was only slightly stronger. Trunks was FAR stronger than Cell it wasn't even funny. He could transform immediately and end it like he did in Trunks timeline (not Cells). It's a piss poor explanation and don't give me the 'power levels are BS' crap because there is no way Trunks could be killed by Imperfect Cell if he was strong enough to face him in his Perfect form. Go ask any DBZ scholar and they would agree with me. They used a remote to deactivate the androids in Cell's timeline. It's the only plausible explanation.
@@codesm96 Just using DBZ logic, it still works. Cell after escaping from Piccolo's group the first time manages to drink a bunch of people and show up directly next to Piccolo while he is fighting 17. None of the androids give off power readings and Cell has managed to hide himself despite being as powerful as he is. It isn't a leap to think he can mask his power level in his first form similar to how 17/18 don't give off any readings. Also the only reason Vegeta and Goku decide to use the HTC was a result of Cell's appearance; without him they may not of trained in that room or if they did maybe not for a full year as any one person could beat them after a year of training. Plus if Trunks is correct when he says the Androids from his timeline are weaker, it would make sense for him to be able to beat them on his own while Goku, Vegeta, and him (plus maybe Piccolo) could of teamed up to beat them in this unseen timeline with limited HTC use. I don't think they would of used the shutoff switch just because Vegeta and Goku prefer to fight; Vegeta even fights Trunks to allow Cell to find 18. The Trunks we do see is a lot stronger as he goes in the HTC twice (once to prevent Cell from becoming perfect and once to prepare for the Cell games). If unseen timeline Trunks only used the HTC once for a shorter time period or maybe not at all if Goku went first and killed the androids once he was out, he would be a lot weaker when Cell kills him. By the time the Cell Games ends, future Cell would have no chance of killing him. The issue is without knowing exactly how Trunks defeated his version of the Androids in the future (either remote or training in the HTC just long enough to beat the androids with the others in the past), we can't say how strong he actually is when Cell kills him.
@@Black_Knight_-BK- I thought so too but he (whis) doesn’t actually confirm that it is and we seen trunks die to cell in his timeline and I do think another timeline was created but that was by either cell or zamasu
I've said this before and I'll say it again... While Cell did help create the current timeline because he was the 1st to go there before Trunks did... if he would've kept his ass in the original timeline, he possibly would still be alive. He killed Trunks, the other Z fighters are dead, he could just soak up people in general to slowly get stronger and not bother going after the Androids. Don't know who's cells made him go back in time to reach perfection. Whether it's Vegeta's "I want to be stronger", Gokou's "This will be fun to experience", Freeza's "I refuse to have the outcome not be how I want it", or whichever.
My guess is the androids killed everyone in the unseen timeline. Trunks basically wanted a chance to fix his mistake by purposefully creating a new timeline. Or cell pressed a bunch of buttons. He didn't know what he was doing.
@@QaamansLand Yea, as a possibility. Could be he stopped them but everyone else still died, like during the road battle. Depending on the Androids, or in some other scenario. It depends on whether changes happen because of specific things, or they're just possibly different. I think the general fandom idea is usually the androids were less evil based on gero switching from Goku to world conquering (making them more evil). But it depends on how much events are the same, how much gero messed with their minds ECT. Or what happened if they ever try to fight them again.
@@QaamansLandyeah i agree with him i believe the androids plus 16 succeeded in killing goku and the z warriors 16 was specifically designed to kill goku and guaranteed he did should make a video about one day that be sweet🔥💯
@@QaamansLandif it wasn't for piccolo arriving at master roshis house in the main timeline goku would've got killed in his sleep maybe that's how they kill goku in unseen timeline....
@@QaamansLand Ofc it was not fixed thats the whole point. If it was fixed there was no reason to go back to the past and get killed by Cell. Trunks wanted to go to the past to help Z fighters deactivate the androids before they killed everyone.
please do What if Future Gohan lived and went back in time alongside Trunks. I think you did a similar video a long long time ago but its in need of a remake
its weird how WEAK they make future gohan. ...in contrast to his main timeline version. there is no logical reason for that. especially once goku died and he had to take over his dads hero of the earth duty. also in a world where androids eventually took over and having to fight near death battles everyday. zenaki boosts? pent up anger? after years of that struggle. makes no sense he never hit ss2... unless in this timeline half breed saiyans are weaklings for some reason.
To fully understand how and why the hidden timeline exists, one has to re-imagine the android saga without Cell. From the arrival of 19 and 20 to the point where Piccolo tries to fuse with Kami. What would be the outcome of that? Did Kami and Piccolo merge? How were androids defeated? What resulted in Trunks setting his time machine to travel back one year earlier before the androids arrived?
It's not just unseen...it was unheard of too since Cell was the only person who actually knew what happened in the original timeline where he killed Trunks before he could either make it back to the unseen timeline or go further back, we never knew any real details about the murdered Trunks and what he encountered in the unseen timeline when he first went
Remembering Bulma created a device to kill 17 and 18. In the main timeline cell was there and krillin had a crush on 18 so the outcome would have been different
kami and piccolo only merge because kami could sense cells presence which makes them want to fuse even tho they didn't really want fuse they had to in order to save the world but since cell is not present at all means they most likely didn't fuse which leads to piccolos death to the androids plus 16 in the picture remember their original goal was to hunt down goku then wreck the world like in the original only this time 16 is their with them..... which would explain why trunks wanted to go back a year further it's a possible outcome
This is simple. Trunks went back and helped the z fighters deal with his version of the androids, which caused the timeline to split. Trunks gets home and solos the androids before being killed by Cell. Trunks' first interference causes events to change (stronger androids, Cell). Once the new androids and Cell are dealt with, Trunks goes back to his future. Since the original Trunks was killed by cell, this 2nd Trunks' survival creates a third timeline.
I like the to think the original timeline just morphed into the unseen timeline and the original just doesn’t go forward after that point. But it’s all confusing, of course time traveling would be considering we haven’t seen it done.
??? The original timeline will always continue now that it was created. Nobody survives, maybe Bulma and a few others but it's pretty bleak. Unseen timeline, nobody knows what happened there. Not only did we not see it, there is NOBODY tell us what actually happened. The only we even know an Unseen timeline existed was because Cell said Trunks was planning to use the time machine to go back and that the androids were defeated in the Original timeline which he came to the conclusion of after searching the planet for them yet never finding them and then stumbling upon Capsule Corp and Trunks, which is exactly why Cell needed to go back and killed Trunks. Original timeline Trunks is dead, he can't tell us what he saw or what they did to defeat the androids sadly.
It’s good to know there is in fact a plot hole. That being said it is a great trove for fan theories. I look forward to watching your video surrounding that.
Original timeline: Goku dies, androids take over, Trunks goes back in time. Cell kills Trunks and goes back in time Unseen timeline: Trunks goes back in time, nani nani happens, Z-fighters and Trunks find a way to defeat the Androids and returns to the future Main timeline: Cell creates this timeline, Trunks from the original timeline somehow travels here too and creates the main story, goes back to the original timeline and kills the androids and Cell This is all the info we get from the manga. Fact is, there is a huge plothole that cannot be explained using the given information. In the future, Trunks both gets killed by Cell and kills Cell. Sure, you can invent more timelines to try to explain it away, but it’s simply copium at that point. It was not part of Toriyama’s original vision to have 4 or 5 timelines. He wrote it as he went and made a mistake. Simple as.
I wonder if the original idea was for trunks to die when he went back to the future thus creating the paradox that would create cell but then toriyama not wanting to kill trunks at the end of the cell saga decided not to leaving us with that plot hole
Weird, I didn't know Trunks had straight up defeated the androids in the unseen timeline. I always thought the androids were still wrecking stuff, but since they had killed so many humans, Cell had no way of getting strong enough to absorb them
Longtime Qaaman fans hearing "Unseen Timeline" aw shit here we go again. you were the first theory TH-camr I found for anime, and the Hot/Unseen timeline videos are the first thing I think about with this channel, got me nostalgic.
bro i heard “ the unseen timeline is the timeline that the timeline of the original trunks came back to that timeline of future trunks”😂 after finishing the video i understood there was like 3 different timelines that beginning just had me bamboozled😂
I think Trunks probably dialed the time back a bit by mistake similar to when you channel surf and accidentally go over the channel you wanted to get at 😂. I know it’s a underwhelming explanation but makes sense
So here's the thing. Daizenshuu 7 (think it was 7) said the Unseen TL was a Cell Games without Trunks. I know they sort of tried to retcon it later but.... I believe the Unseen TL and the Main TL diverge when Trunks makes the decision to leave instead of train. But because the original history was Trunks dying, Cells goes back in time to before it diverges from the Main TL. Divergence happens at the moment of Paradox, which happens when Trunks decides to train not when Cell arives. So there are 2 identical Cells, one in each TL both originating in the same TL.
There's still a missing Cell in the FoT tho. Future Timeline 1 Cell kills Trunks and travels to the past, 1 year before Frieza and Trunks show up, thus creating the FoT timeline, and then Trunks travels to the main tineline which is pretty much identical up to his arrival, including Cell which is the one we see become perfect. Trunks goes back to the FoT timeline, kills 17, 18 and lab Cell, but Timeline 1 Cell should still be lurking around
Plot hole with the original timeline. In the anime where piccolo is questioning imperfect cell. Cell explains how he got Frieza and king colds cells from when future trunks killed them. The original timeline should have played out with Goku using instant transmission to get back to earth and defeating them both. Like in the HOT timeline. Which suggests that the original timeline, even though they prepared for the Androids would have been different in how things played out leading up to Cell killing Trunks. Perhaps Goku didn't survive the heart virus and Piccolo wasn't strong enough to kill the Androids after merging with Kame. Or when they found 17 and 18 they were all killed. Those Androids could have also been evil as the HOT timeline Androids but as strong as the main timeline Androids. I think the original timeline is noticeably different from the HOT timeline and not just from trunks traveling to the unseen timeline. The Z fighters still die in the original timeline because they weren't strong enough even though they prepared. This also suggests that there was infact more timelines revolving around this arc than the 4 you mentioned. Not including super android 13. I can think of 5 timelines. I'll break it down as simple as I can. We'll call the original timeline the "cell timeline". Then we'll add one more timeline before that and call that the original so it makes sense. 1. Original timeline is almost identical to HOT timeline and plays out the same with trunks going to the past. 2. The past is the cell timeline. He kills Frieza and king cold like in the main and unforseen timelines. But in the cell timeline they still all die and the Androids reek havoc on the world until that trunks grows up and travels to unseen timeline. 3. Unseen timeline they all survive and trunks gets a deactivation device and goes back to cell timeline. After destroying 17 and 18 in cell timeline trunks is killed by cell. 4. Cell going back in time intersecting with trunks changes the main timeline making it fork in a new direction from the unseen timeline. This actually leaves 2 cells who exist in alternate timelines. The original timeline cell exists and is able to become perfect because that trunks never returned to destroy 17 and 18. Cell also exists in unseen universe because he wasn't known about, and he cannot absorb 17 and 18 to become perfect.
@@QaamansLand but 3 different Future Trunks to support the 5th timeline. The one Cell discussed to Piccolo who killed Frieza and King Cold. The one Cell killed and took his time machine. And the HOT Trunks. Your video of one Cell that survived in the unseen only shows the 4 timelines. Unless you eliminate the unseen timeline where in the Cell timeline Trunks never traveled to the past, who managed to get a shutdown device and was going to take it to the past to destroy the Androids. Can you verify if that Trunks ever traveled to the past before Cell killed him? If there are only 4 timelines. That would mean that 2 different Trunks only time traveled in 2 of them and Cell time traveled in one of them. And so the Future Trunks that killed Frieza from Cells timeline would be considered both the original and unseen timeline.
Maybe an extra year back was to find out where New Namek is so they can use the Nemakian Dragon Balls to res some people or get a new green god? It would be easier to achieve that closer to the time the Namekians left and had New Namek made
5:23 I dont think it was a plot hole in regarding why the time machine was set to return to an earlier time before Goku's arrival back to Earth from Yardraft. In the manga, after Piccolo asks Cell about the mystery of why Cell had traveled to an earlier timeline, in which Cell responded that he simply pressed a button, Piccolo then deduced that Future Trunks intention of going back in time was to inform the Z warriors of the unknown timeline about his victory over the andriods, which is what the alternate future trunks does, after killing the andriods of his future in the alternate future timeline, thus confirming Piccolo's theory. The only reason Cell traveled to an earlier timeline was because he killed the original Future Trunks before Trunks could set the proper coordinates for his time machine to travel to the unknown timeline to meet back with the Z warriors. Based on Cell's story, he appeared before Future Trunks after finding out about the time machine and killed Trunks before he could do anything to properly set the right coordinates to go back to meet the Z warriors he had already encountered. Because Cell saw the time machine as an opportunity, he wasted no time allowing Trunks to board the time machine, and basically killed Trunks right after Trunks had activated the machine, which is explains why the time machine was practically set on an auto coordinate, not the one Trunks intended.
I've thought about this subject countless times. Yet how I micromanaged the plot holes was that Trunks went back the first time to warn them. Then decided that he never had to defeat Frieza or talk to the guys at all and just head straight to Dr. Gero's lab. So instead of staying in the past like he does in the shows timeline. He goes back to the future after getting the Android plans because Cell never arrived in that alternate show timeline. He figured that future was saved because they have the deactivation remotes. Then after returning to his time, he used the remote to deactivate the Androids and take them out. As the future started to rebuild, he also had to wait 3 years in order to use the time machine again due to the futures limited fuel. His plan was to go back a year before meeting the guys and killing Frieza in order to prevent having to and just going to Dr. Gero directly in order to prevent as much change as possible. That's when Cell gets the jump on Trunks after over hearing his plans. We call this original timeline Cells timeline more or less. Then you got Trunks timeline which is basically the Trunks we know from the show (and movie) and then the shows actual timeline. Another theory is that instead of having a remote. He somehow manages to kill the Androids of his timeline via a fluke because we learn that when the timeline changes, the power of the Androids get stronger. Its possible that the original Androids of Cells timeline were weaker than the Trunks and the shows timeline (The fact that we don't know much about that timeline could also mean that the Z warriors were weaker when they were killed. Maybe Vegeta and Gohan never turned Super Saiyan) but with each change, each timeline got stronger versions. Thus instead of Trunks being able to win on a fluke, he was defeated before accepting his fate and using the time machine. This would only give us the three timelines. Cell's, Trunks, and Shows.
Some heavy string theory timeline stuff. This also explains why Goku Black is so pissed off and mentions Trunks messing with time lines instead of time line
Is it safe to assume Androids 19 and 20 weren’t the first androids the Z fighters would come across in the unseen timeline since there wasn’t a cell buried underground to mess with that timeline?
Hmm that means there's a time line where the events played out where trunks didn't go back and cell gets released either goku kills 17 and 18 and imperfect cell roams around piccolo fuses with kami...
I think what might've happened is, and about as fast as it did in the show, not shown widely, but widely known Android #19 and Gero did attack a city, Z-fighters showed up to stop them. Vegeta could go Super Saiyan unknown to Gero, and he kills #19 after Goku falls ill, causing Gero to flee, and they send Gohan to take him home similar to mainline minus future trunks. Gero flees to his lab to free #17 & #18 to help, but like in Super Android #13 they kill him, but Gero never gets to indicate about the remote, or blueprints, they just kill him. Then the two go and wreck havoc and find the Z-fighters in short time as they were hot on Gero, but didnt know about his base as they lacked Bulma's knowledge since they didn't know about the initial attack for her to show up or hang around like she does in mainline. Z-fighters are defeated quickly by #17 and #18, leaving Gohan and Trunks at their respective homes. Goku died naturally and has no otherworld physical form, piccolo died so no dragon balls. Time proceeds normal for a bit, and with the Androids widely broadcast Bulma recognizes the logo on their clothes and realizes Gero might've been (and was) involved, and probably had failsafes or something that could aid them. They cautiously look for Gero's base and stumble upon it, and conveniently a remote, or plans for one. They see cell's tube but not knowing much don't bother, or dont pay enough mind. Alternatively they only find the lair after cell has broken out (but not tracked the androids yet) already and therefor dont even know, in this case likely Future Gohan found it, or older Trunks if Gohan were to have died from Cell or the Androids (in the confusion and destruction who did it wouldnt be very well known). Trunks (or Gohan) grab the remote and return safely to Bulma and ensure they are destroyed. For some reason or another there is no more Gohan. Trunks sets the machine to go make a better future, Cell kills Trunks and hijacks the Time Machine. No one questions a missing Trunks as who knows how long or short his trip could be, and after awhile would be an assumed failure and Bulma never makes another/"better" working Time Machine lacking suitable Guinea Pigs with everyone she knew and loved gone including her offspring.
Frieza might've shown up and in rage Vegeta would've gotten his Super Saiyan form similar to how in training he gets it in mainline from jealousy. But against Frieza+Jealousy it's almost a guarantee he gets it, not without a fight though, but has time to recover between Frieza's visit and Gero appearing. Alternatively Frieza didn't find anyone to kill in time before Goku returns, sees him, and kills him having learned how to control his transformation on Yardrat. Vegeta gets his form the same way as mainline in this case.
I think Super kind of gave it away regarding trunks time travel shenanigans, What I think it was, Trunks and Bulma future must of had issues in finding ways in defeating the androids, he went into the past, met past Bulma and maybe a couple of folks to tell them the chaos that ensured, Past Bulma told him there's got to be a way in turning them off, hence why the controller was made in the past and in which case he turned them off in the unseen timeline, went into the future in his own timeline and turned them off in his own timeline. My guess is it is at THIS point where Cell captures him as he was looking to return to tell past Bulma he had done it and stopped the androids.
Gee,I had no idea up until now that all this in writing made a paradox in some ways. ASSUMPTION: This may have made problems with the unseen defeat of Freezer and King Cold by Goku when he arrives from Yardrat. THEORY: Each time Trunks unseen timeline gets talked about it will be often regarded az a convoluted time paradox.
3:18 Ok so, original timeline is bad; this forces OG Trunks to use time machine to change things and this makes the main timeline. OG Trunks goes back to the: 0:02 Unseen Timeline?! gets killed by Cell... Why does he end up there instead of back in his time? OG Cell then uses the time machine... and doesn't make a new timeline like trunks... but end up in the main one?! How is the History of Trunks Timeline made? 7:34 wait so cell created the main timeline? So did OG Trunk create the Unseen Timeline? Then go back to the OG timeline. Then cell killed him; used the machine, which created the Main Timeline. Then how does The History Of Trunks Timeline fit in?
The original timeline is more than likely doomed. Babidi would get the sealed Buu & eventually have him revived as Shin with Kabito die in vain by Dabura.
Once the physical manifestation of evil awaken, Babidi will convince him of destroying many planets until the mortal level is low enough for Zeno to erase Universe 7. If they ever teleported to the solar system Vampa is at, Buu would destroy it from space as Canonical Broly doesn't have a ki shield for protection. Or would react fast enough to prevent it.
@@QaamansLand Can't tell if you're making a joke or not. I've never had strangely. Thanks for liking my comment on your what if. Rare videos like that are my precious.
So I get that Original Timeline Trunks going back to the past created the Unseen Timeline, and HoT Timeline Trunks going back created the Main Timeline, but where did the HoT Timeline come from? And how did Original Timeline Cell get to the Main Timeline, which was a modified version of another timeline entirely?
The HoT timeline is an alternate version of the Original Trunk's Timeline (A.k.a Cell's Timeline). The HoT Timeline is the result of Future Trunks returning to his timeline after learning about the existence of Cell and the time machine. This knowledge causes the HoT Timeline to diverge from Cell's timeline. Future Trunks is now aware of Cell's ambush plan to steal his time machine and, equipped with the training he received in the Main Timeline, is able to defeat Cell in his own world. Both of these factors enable Trunks to prevent the grim fate originally destined for his future. That is how the HoT timeline is created.
Most people miss the fact that the first alteration Trunks makes in the timeline is to kill Freeza in the past. This event is the thing that screws up the timeline of the androids first interaction with the cast.
In hindsight, it would’ve made way more sense for Goku Black to go to the future with the dead Trunks.
Or not because he thinks trunks is the biggest sinner
How would he have known about that particular timeline? oO.
@@otherhalf228
He knew Beerus was dead in the other timeline so it’s not impossible.
u mean the arc that was the biggest waste of time?
@@fastng my man saying that like the Buu saga has a right to exist
Take a shot everytime he says timeline, take 2 shots everytime he says "unseen timeline", take a trio shot everytime he says "future timeline"
Oh god
Itbf wash soi eassdddyh
We tried High School of the Dead drinking game. Take a drink for everytime they refer to the zombies as 'them', every blood splat, every panty/bra shot, every zombie and human death. We were hammered by the time the opening started in the first episode.
Light weight
I became a ghost
Barely halfway thru the video & I’m confused as hell 💀
Explanation?
TIMELINE
Bro all I hear is timeline timeline timeline timeline im like …. Wut?
same
@@samhrrr2377 🤣🤣🤣🤣😭😭😭brooo sameee
I think Trunks still thought he could change the past instead of creating a parallel universe, so he thought "Let me go back earlier to give them more time"
But that’s the problem, when trunks traveled to the timeline (the one goku survives his heart disease) he was confused when he saw android 16, a new android he never saw in other timelines. Which he really screwed up by not learning enough of time travel.
Edit: trunks also in one episode of DBZ saw gero but didn’t recognized him, which is strange because gero was the one who created the androids.
it's still a plothole lol
makes zero sense for him to go back further unless something bad happend in the unseen timeline
@@jonathanruiz9062 it's not as strange if you consider that Gero was killed when 17 and 18 were activated. Trunks wouldn't have any idea what he would even look like.
No wonder Supreme Kai of Time punished him with maintaining time. She couldn't deal with his and cell's bullshit anymore of handling time. Same with Goku black and zamasu trying to kill trunks😂
this subject is one of the most interesting concepts of DBall, time travel in fiction has insane potential
It does make sense for the original trunks to come back a year before Frieza arrived. He specifically told goku, if he knew where the lab was, he’d be there instead.
Yes. Do you don't agree then with the Secret Mission to kill Gero. It only doesn't make sense when using the story's context
@@QaamansLand Yes, just like bulma wanted. However the original trunks would not have known about the bunker underneath the lab without piccolo telling him.
@@jessepelaez874 Wait, what did Piccolo have to do with the Lab? I'm going to check the manga and anime after your comment
@@QaamansLand yo thx for the explanation of the most sophisticated shit in dragon ball 🤦😅...bro even after explaining all of that I still find it harder to at least memorize 😂
@@QaamansLand Thanks much respect, your the first to explain the unseen timeline so conveniently.
Since piccolo from the unseen timeline never battled cell, he never passed that info to the original trunk. So cell from the unseen timeline must still be alive. I could be wrong tho lol
The true explanation on why Trunks had the time machine set for a year earlier is that Toriyama just wasn't paying attention to his writing. But of course that's no fun to think about, lol.
I'm surprised no one has made any fan manga depicting the unseen timeline, I would love to read any if it exists. Anyways, great video! Been a subscriber since 2015. Always look forward to your stuff!
Wherever cell comes from, it was a time where the androids were dead, deactivated.
No I don't think so. There's no evidence of that. And it seems deliberate that Toriyama uses diverging timelines instead of altering. And that he made cell create a divergent one.
It's all in the text that acknowledges all this. And even acknowledges that Cell doesn't know why ect.
It's definitely convenient for Toriyama but it's also on purpose.
The MULTIVERSE theory.
I have always believed that the world that CELL and Trunks come from are actually other versions of Earth that exist in the MULTIVERSE, and that there really are more than 18 Universes.
That the Earth of Trunks was the main one but when traveling to the past, I create a new Earth, I also believe that the Earth of CELL is a simple variation of the Earth of Trunks,Possibly that version of Trunks discovered the controls of the androids and destroyed them, in a nutshell he was a little smarter After destroying them, he decided to go to the past to a date that will not alter the timeline too much... a date in which there was no one and following his mother's original idea Kill the androids while they were disabled...
@@Ivan-fg8foi like this Theoy
at the end of the day if it wasn't for bad writing we wouldn't have cell🙌
Im more confused after watching this
Think of it this way…. A teenage trunks grows up in a reality where goku died from the heart virus and watches his friends die from androids. After about 20 years of this he decides “hey I’ll go back in time and give goku heart medication” he creates “fixed timeline1” once he’s done that, he then goes back to his home timeline to disable androids 17&18 with a remote. After he kills them he plans to return to the “fixed timeline1” but is instead then killed by cell. (Original cell from bad timeline 1)..Then cell says “I’m gonna travel back in time but I’m gonna go back 1 extra year than when trunks traveled to”. When he does this however he creates 2 whole new timelines (because he didn’t go back to the exact same reality trunks went to). He makes 1 new “original/bad timeline” and 1 New “fixed timeline” (this is a result of him making a whole new future trunks who would travel to our timeline to give our goku heart medication) Once he arrived at his destination (the main timeline/our timeline) he buries himself underground for 4 years to let things play out (let future trunks show up/ let androids 17&18 awaken) when all of these events take place he wakes up from his hibernation and becomes the main villain of the “cell saga” of our timeline that we all know and love…… in summary there are 4 total timelines involved… the “bad timeline 1”, “fixed timeline 1” … as well as “bad timeline 2” and “fixed timeline 2”(the 2 timelines cell created) ….
Pause your screen on 1:26 … look at the way he has the timelines drawn out and then read back the story in this comment. I hope this was a good explanation
Also I want to explain to you why he’s talking about an “unseen timeline” in short as you now know from my explanation, one of the 4 timelines looked exactly like ours. (Where goku gets medication and fights androids. Only in that reality there was no cell.) the “unseen timeline” is where the android 13 movie takes place. And the trunks you see in that movie is the same trunks that gets killed by cell
By your logic there are infinite possible timelines anyway, so I’m just gonna go with 3. I counted 3 Cells, so that makes 3 official timelines.
@@ottohumpmachine8958 sure man, I’m cool with that
@@ottohumpmachine8958yeah but something has to create the first cell
I always liked to consider DBZ movie 7 "Super Android 13" was set in the "UNSEEN" timeline after Trunks helped that time's Z Warriors defeat the Androids, before he goes back to his future to defeat his own time's 17 and 18 prior to that future's Cell eventually killing him.
This would make sense
That's a good theory.
I love that so much I’m adding to my own head canon
You might be correct cuz i checked the wiki and it said that the movie takes place in another dimension.
Didn't those android come before cell or after?
Should of made a timeline where cell upsorbs android 13 14 15 and look different but similar
Android 13 movie takes place in the unseen timeline. It fit's so well.
So that was before Cell??
Some of the Movies could happen there too and Andriod 13 happening in that Timeline helps too
@@91Definite Trunks probably killed Cell unknowingly while he was in his chamber in the unseen timeline. Trunks had to go there to get the blueprints to build the shutdown device. Trunks would have just blown up the lab as he did in the dbz anime with Krillen. I assume the Z fighters were able to defeat Android 17 and 18 with the shutdown device or maybe a combination of fighting as well. That's why we don't see 17 and 18 in the movie but the characters are not surprised to see Androids. Gohan also looks very young and can't transform into a super Saiyan that's because he never went into a hyperbolic time chamber because, in the unseen timeline, they don't have to deal with Cell.
Even though the makers never confirmed such a thing.
Yes, it is in alternate timeline, but the makers never said it was that particular timeline.
It really does even the art style
I think the best way to explain the plot hole is that Trunks accidentally put in the wrong date in the time machine, and before he could correct himself, Cell killed him.
Very plausible
That seems like the most plasuable explaination to me for all of this.
A simple mistake left uncorrected having a massive effect.
In my head it was when Cell was shrinking down to egg he bumped the date since hes got to activate the machine then go larva.
@ItzkinglondoOnly one version of future trunks(ours) was stronger than imperfect cell. Every other version of him is weaker.
Honestly that’s a good way to explain it I’ll take this as my headcanon
Cell indirectly saved Goku by going back and ironically killed him self lol
I don't know which timeline is darker. The unseen one or the history of trunks one. Everybody died in the unseen timeline, but I imagine they reunited in the afterlife. But the history of trunks timeline was erased entirely so even those who were already dead cease to exist.
No, the Unseen timeline has an unknown outcome.
But wouldn't they all die due to babidi
@@josh-kg1rb babidi wouldnt come since there’s no one left on earth really with a super saiyan level above power level to feed off of if all of the z fighters are dead and so is trunks . All that’s left is Roshi and Potentially Yajirobe depending on media material .
@@meetthemoo225 Babidi would come eventually, because Boo is sealed on Earth.
@@meetthemoo225Not in the Unseen timeline. The Z fighters survive, but we don't know how strong they get, or what happens in the future.
**cell drains Piccolo’s arm**
Cell: Oh God, you’re even starting to look like Kami.
To be honest, if Trunks decided to go back early, possibly to assassinate, then it is possible that the Unseen Timeline had a bad outcome. And it is possible this outcome was related to Android 16. Even if 18 and 17 got shut down, he might have killed Goku and maybe the other Z-fighters who stood in his way.
Only issue is we don't know if 16 was there or not or ready to be activated in the unseen timeline. That was still up for debate
@@codesm96 Of course 16 was there.
We do not know why 16 was not activated in the original timeline, but he is certainly there. Whether he is activated or not remains a mystery.
His activation would have made him the greatest threat in the unseen timeline. So if the unseen timeline ended badly, 16 is likely the reason.
true 16 at best is imperfect cell level
reckon the androids plus 16 would've most likely killed the z fighters since cell wasn't in the picture.....
@@codesm96pretty much the unseen timeline is the same as the main timeline except cell isn't present at all
I am so glad that there's someone out there educating people about the different timelines of trunks. Ever since they showed the scene where cell takes trunks's time machine, there's been a lot of confusion. And your videos perfectly sums up everything. 👍
Perfectly sums up? It was all over the place. Impossible to follow.
@@paraic9163 your not wrong. I'm with you on that. But in his video he made some good points and pointed out some good facts. I think his explanation helps.
I love how krillin found love in android 18. She doesn’t have much to say in episodes after this, but what she does say, it’s evident she loves being a mother.
Trunks was clearly planning on time-traveling to meet a younger Mai
5:55 I feel like a way to explain this plot hole is maybe with how Trunks's machine works with him selecting the timeline to go to with the controls with an upmaybe he was going like "Age 759, Age 760, Age 761, Age 762, Age 763..." then Cell shows up before he can get any further and killed him. Idk just my thoughts lol.
Great video as always!
I just figure he was killed before he could set the time machine. His stated intention doesn't mean he was set and ready to go. It might have been the destination in his last trip.
This is the best logical explanation as in why Trunks would go back a year earlier after he used the device to destroy both androids. Remember when Dr Gero pointed the device to attempt to destroy 17 but end up failing. Here's how the story would go. A whole struggle would have to occur just to press the button on the device. Trunks appear again in front of the androids, he points the device to 17 and presses the button thus destroying him instantly. 18 sees this decides to attack trunks to get the device off of his hands. A whole struggle happens here just to get control of the device, finally trunks is able to gain control over the device and press the button immediately to end 18. Trunks realized he was lucky to press the button to defeat the androids. After being traumatized from this incident, he rather go back in time a year before to destroy the androids 17 and 18 before activating.
this
even possible someone died like her mother, or grand parents, or just someone that dears to him or his family was hurt badly, that Trunks decided a redo one more time
i also have this theory that time travel is punishable by death, by fate, like Trunks travelled back to the past and got killed by Cell, then this Cell goes back in time too and managed to be perfect but still dies, then the Trunks from future that helped in the tournament almost dies as well
OK so my head cannon has always been that Cell said "I just pressed a button, the machine did the rest"
he has no idea what he did, he doesn't understand the time machine, there's no reason Trunks would go back a further year knowing it'd just create another timeline where things could 'go right" or "go wrong", so I think he didn't. I think Cell just pressed a bunch of buttons and it happened to bring him back a year earlier, its a better explanation than I've heard so far
So many timelines😵💫, All I know is there were 3 cells that get destroyed (perfect cell, fetus cell, imperfect cell) with a possibility of a 4th one being in future Trunk's timeline who we never saw going after the future androids, so it's safe to assume that cell is also dead.
True. We can only assume that Trunks created various time paradoxes by messing around with past events. That 4th Cell you mentioned might have been killed off in it's by fetus stage by another Trunks, therefore he never time traveled to Future Trunk's timeline.
Or he's still alive somewhere
@@Mahlak_Mriuani_Anatman thank you. Cuz I was just thinking that with this video, and another one I was watching.
There has to be one cell running around out there unchallenged. A world where cell never goes back in time. So he's running around in imperfect form. With trunks and the Androids already gone.
And maybe I'm thinking way too wide now, but these universes are always built upon so having the idea to go back in time to absorb androids. Or trunks and Bulma making the time machine before they are killed. Correct me if I'm wrong but those two things seem to be in almost every timeline. Which is cool I'm just thinking here.
Is there, could wood or should there be, a universe where they never even think of a time machine, and the Androids finish off trunks, then cell absorbs them? What does trunks always find the shutdown device??
I'm confused, how was the History of trunks timeline created? was it always separate, and unconnected to both Original, and unseen and it's cause of plot they are the similar, or was history of trunks timeline also created via time travel
That is a very complicated answer. Stay tuned for a future video
It’s because when Cell went back before trunks, trunks basically still did what he did, but bc cell went back before, the “changes” is what diverged the timelines to create the history of trunks bc a new timeline was still bound to be created from trunks but would be separate bc of cell
Original timeline Trunks was the only one who travelled back to the unseen timeline, Cell did not travel back because he went further behind in time and created the main and history of Trunks timelines instead. The reason Trunks travelled back to unseen timeline was because Z-fighters were murdered by the androids in the OG timeline, same as History of Trunks timeline. Trunks likely blew up the lab killing fetus Cell in the unseen timeline as with the main timeline without knowing what Cell actually was, but seeing him develop in the lab was a risk too big to take to leave alone, main timeline they knew what that fetus was because they already encountered Cell who gave Piccolo all the info needed. Because Cell had finally matured by the time Trunks had arrived back from the unseen timeline to the OG timeline, in his very first appearance to any of the Z fighters he murdered Trunks and went back even further to the main timeline. Main timeline BOTH Trunks and Cell have travelled back, Cell split off a new timeline going back further but it did not change and only repeated Trunks going back at the same time he did in the unseen timeline, the only new addition was Cell, that 2nd Trunks that went back to Main timeline exactly like he did in unseen timeline IS the History of Trunks timeline being created along with main timeline. If it wasn't for cell arriving back to the main timeline from the original timeline by going one year further back, there would be NO History of Trunks timeline as well as the main timeline, both are intertwined, one could not be created without the other if that makes sense.
Not to sure if it's been explained in the video but the discrepancy I find confusing is that Trunks in the unseen timeline initially set out a point in time which could be either similar time frame to when HoT-Trunks arrived in our timeline or it could have been the one year before.
Then Cell uses the time machine but for some reason, he branches off from the unseen timeline; past timeline and ends up in ours?
So if the unseen timeline is the original one? Then Trunks creates another timeline going back (which we never see as far as we are concerned), which would mean there's 2. Then Cell goes back from the unseen and creates another timeline, which ends up being ours. But in ours, there exist a future timeline, a branch of ours; where by History of Trunks; Trunks comes in at any point after his original point in time.
So it seems like if you go back 300 years or any point in time, you create a separate timeline but if you go back beyond THAT first point in time, you create an additional timeline? Atleast with the time machine, right?
Qaaman do a video on if Cell remained in his imperfect state going from the unseen to ours. He cuts half of his torso to fit in the machine. He arrives in out timeline in-tack and then finds Gero at his lab. Gero mentions that 17/18 are complete but their programming requires more work but since Cell is here, he allows him to absorb the androids right here and now (let's say even in their cryo-condition, Cell can attain and ultilize them the same if they were awake etc... How fare would the Zfighters be?
I'm trying to make sense of what you're saying. Cell never once went back to the Unseen timeline. Only Trunks did. That was set 3 years before the arrival of the androids in the Unseen timeline. When Trunks tried going back the machine was programmed to return even earlier, 4 years before the arrival of the androids, which is when Cell found Trunks, killed him and used the time machine to travel 4 years before the androids arrived. As the Time machine has been set further back before Trunks first visit to the past (unseen timeline 3 years before androids arrival), a new timeline was created. This new timeline is the Main timeline that we watched DBZ in because it is the only one where Cell returned back even further into the past (4 years instead of 3 years before androids arrival), that Cell ends up absorbing the androids. The reason why the unseen timeline is called unseen is because we never see a single thing that happens in this timeline at all but it definitely the one Trunks came back from and was going back to before Cell killed him, for some mistaken reason the time machine was set a year before the set date Trunks wanted to return to which ended up creating the Main timeline that Cell went back to. Hope we are on the same page...I think
When the Z Fighters wished back all of Cell’s victims I wondered if that included the Trunks he killed also?
I doubt it, Cell killed the other Trunks in a different time-line
@@zhadowblade I figured, but I always liked the idea because they never specified which victims, and both that version of cell and trunks are from the same timeline, but obviously at that point shenron probably couldn’t bring people from other timelines back
@@zhadowblade Would make an interesting What If Scenario
@@NiqueStar Now making that wish on the Super Dragon Balls....
No wonder Future Gohan was upset with Future Trunks with his behavior of traveling back and forth through Time multiple times and messing around with time and ending up destroying the dragon balls 😭🤧
will always love your timeline theory video you made back in the day. i think ive watched that over 10 times lol
I was excited for this video. Thought you might go over the time rings and how they relate to these timelines.
That is another topic. This was solely the Unseen Timeline
Technically speaking, this should mean that Bad Timeline 2 should have 2 Cells, though I supposed Trunks could've just killed one of the Cells off screen, which I find more likely than one Cell absorbing the other Cell
How?
@@QaamansLand If Cell went back to the time LONG BEFORE Goku was affected by the Heart Virus, which is around when History was truly changed, then there'd be a 2nd Cell hiding not just in the Main Timeline, but also Trunks' since the Main Timeline was branched out from the point when Trunks first appeared from the Future.
Your comment just made me get a video idea. Stay tuned.
Yay! I inspired a video!
@@detectivenuthead7869do remember that if there was a 2nd Cell in the Future Timeline that got destroyed by Zeno Cell more than likely got obliterated
The unseen timeline is very interesting if tarble came to earth found out about the z fighters and vegetas death and then remember about broly and find him wouldve been so cool seeing that pair
I love your channel. I never seen someone that’s as much of dragon ball lore nut as me 😂
I’ve yet to see you say anything that isn’t str8 facts. Keep up the amazing work, bro ❤
Only 2 timelines, Trunks timeline and Goku timeline, and they are like different dimensions. Timelines don't affect eachother but can be changed by time travel within themselves.
- Trunks travel from Timelime 1 to Timeline 2, saves goku and goes back to T1
-Trunks returns to T2 to help fight the androids
-Goku and his group defeats the androids. Trunks gets stronger
-Trunks return to T1 and kills the androids
-Cell kills Trunks
-Cell travel to the past of T2 (first instance of time travel within a timeline)
-Cell mere presence change the events of the T2 to the ones we see on the show
-Wouldn't that change Trunks story and in turn Cell's? No Timelines can't affect eachother, only time travel can change them.
-Trunks arrives in T2 (as he should because T1 past remains unchanged)
-Cells is eventually defeated
-Trunks goes back to T1 (second instance of time travel within a timeline. The events of his previous return, including his dead, are erased)
-he kills the androids and later Cell
-Wouldn't that mean that Cell didn't travel to T2 so changing the events? No, because timelines don't affect eachother, only time travel within themselves can change them
This was a dope video, I was always curious as to what would happen in the "unseen timeline". My personal take on it would be due to the androids being defeated by a device, cell and android 16 not being present, as well as the Z Fighters not going into "The room of spirit and time". In theory this would be the timeline where super android 13 takes place.
I really need to watch these videos by making it into a drinking game. Take a drink everytime you hear the word timeline. Good stuff.
I always figured Cell changed the date to be a year earlier so that he had time to regain his power in secret before the cyborgs appeared. Also if in the unseen timeline Trunks trained with his father like in the one we saw, he probably was strong enough to defeat the cyborgs on his own without a shutdown remote and lost to Cell because he was caught off guard.
I hear you but Qaaman was right to address this plothole. Cell specifically said the time machine was pre-programmed to go back into the past at a certain date and all he had to do was push the button. He never chose the time, if it was in error, only Trunks could have made that mistake and tbh there is absolutely no reason for Trunks to travel that far back since he already travelled to the past before in the Unseen timeline to warn of the androids. The only plausible explanation is either Trunks programmed the return date incorrectly and was going to adjust it when he went into the time machine or that Toriyama simply forgot this detail. If Cell never explicitly said that the time was pre-programmed and that he only needed to push the button to go to that time, what you said may be a plausible explanation. Also, there is no way in at all that Trunks could have EVER been killed by Cell EVEN if he was caught off guard if he trained in the Hyperbolic Time Chamber. That simply is not possible, even if he didn't know a damn thing about Cell he would have sensed him out as best as he could. Cell was not powerful enough to kill Trunks after training in the Hyperbolic Time Chamber. The power gap between 1st form Cell and Trunks after training is unbelievable, that is why Trunks was more than powerful enough to disintegrate every single last cell of Cell when he destroyed him when he returned to the future in H.O.T timeline. The only plausible explanation for Trunks being killed the way he was in the Original timeline is the fact that they must have used a shutdown device on the Androids or it must have been someone else who directly fought the Androids and won before Trunks managed to obtain a shutdown device that would work in his own time, therefore Trunks never trained in the Hyperbolic Time Chamber. It makes absolutely no sense how Trunks who is powerful enough to at least go toe to toe with Perfect Cell at least in terms of raw power could ever be killed by Imperfect Cell who could barely absorb any humans in the post apocalyptic world in the Original timeline, that Cell was even weak enough for Piccolo fused with Kami to beat and the androids together could beat Cell in that state. Cell got a lot stronger when he evaded Piccolo, Trunks and Krillin the entire time to absorb as many humans as possible, even that Cell who literally wrecked both Piccolo and 17 single handedly after absorbing so many people would have been killed by Trunks because the power difference is still too much.
@@codesm96 Power levels can be hidden and as a great man once said, "Power levels are bullshit!" In one of the movies we even see Goku in Super Saiyan Blue get shot in the chest with one of those wrist mounted energy blasters Freiza's men use; if that isn't proof of an amazingly weaker fighter managing to land a killing blow on an astronomically stronger enemy with a sneak attack, I don't know what is. Also while Trunks was stronger than Imperfect Cell, that was only in his Super Saiyan form; base Trunks would be far weaker and has no knowledge of Cell's abilities (he also never goes SS during their fight). For all we know Cell hit him with the Solar Flare and broke his neck, not flashy but effective.
@@DarkcIoud1111. You are using head canon. It's not in anyway possible for Cell to kill Trunks if he trained in the HTC, not even remotely. Not even if Trunks didn't transform yet because he would have immediately and his base power is considerably higher as well after extensive training, not just his Super Saiyan form. Don't EVER use Super logic to explain events in Z because Super has far too many plotholes and retcons. Trunks after training in the HTC was powerful enough to fight Perfect Cell and rival his strength, even if he couldn't do jack with it due to his form limiting his movement and reducing his speed. Trunks was too powerful to be killed even off guard but Cell couldn't increase his power without Trunks sensing him and Trunks is so much faster and stronger than him and his other counterpart. Only a weaker fighter could be killed or if Cell was only slightly stronger. Trunks was FAR stronger than Cell it wasn't even funny. He could transform immediately and end it like he did in Trunks timeline (not Cells). It's a piss poor explanation and don't give me the 'power levels are BS' crap because there is no way Trunks could be killed by Imperfect Cell if he was strong enough to face him in his Perfect form. Go ask any DBZ scholar and they would agree with me. They used a remote to deactivate the androids in Cell's timeline. It's the only plausible explanation.
@@codesm96 Just using DBZ logic, it still works. Cell after escaping from Piccolo's group the first time manages to drink a bunch of people and show up directly next to Piccolo while he is fighting 17. None of the androids give off power readings and Cell has managed to hide himself despite being as powerful as he is. It isn't a leap to think he can mask his power level in his first form similar to how 17/18 don't give off any readings.
Also the only reason Vegeta and Goku decide to use the HTC was a result of Cell's appearance; without him they may not of trained in that room or if they did maybe not for a full year as any one person could beat them after a year of training. Plus if Trunks is correct when he says the Androids from his timeline are weaker, it would make sense for him to be able to beat them on his own while Goku, Vegeta, and him (plus maybe Piccolo) could of teamed up to beat them in this unseen timeline with limited HTC use. I don't think they would of used the shutoff switch just because Vegeta and Goku prefer to fight; Vegeta even fights Trunks to allow Cell to find 18. The Trunks we do see is a lot stronger as he goes in the HTC twice (once to prevent Cell from becoming perfect and once to prepare for the Cell games). If unseen timeline Trunks only used the HTC once for a shorter time period or maybe not at all if Goku went first and killed the androids once he was out, he would be a lot weaker when Cell kills him. By the time the Cell Games ends, future Cell would have no chance of killing him. The issue is without knowing exactly how Trunks defeated his version of the Androids in the future (either remote or training in the HTC just long enough to beat the androids with the others in the past), we can't say how strong he actually is when Cell kills him.
I actually had a theory that the timeline in which whis sent future trunks and Mai to in DBs is actually cells timeline
And another theory that the 13 theory took place in the unseen timeline the only plot hole being the existence of 17&18
@@khavontemobley7306 Didnt Whis say there would be another Trunks and Mai? Shouldnt that be like a 5th timeline or something?
@@Black_Knight_-BK- I thought so too but he (whis) doesn’t actually confirm that it is and we seen trunks die to cell in his timeline and I do think another timeline was created but that was by either cell or zamasu
..I still don't understand any of it.
I tried.
Don’t worry I watched this shit as a kid as it aired. The only thing we cared about was how cool trunks intro was.
It's nice to see Qaaman still doing videos. And quality of them is top notch.
I've said this before and I'll say it again...
While Cell did help create the current timeline because he was the 1st to go there before Trunks did... if he would've kept his ass in the original timeline, he possibly would still be alive.
He killed Trunks, the other Z fighters are dead, he could just soak up people in general to slowly get stronger and not bother going after the Androids.
Don't know who's cells made him go back in time to reach perfection. Whether it's Vegeta's "I want to be stronger", Gokou's "This will be fun to experience", Freeza's "I refuse to have the outcome not be how I want it", or whichever.
Huh?
@Qaaman he's referring to all of the cells that is within Cell's mainframe
Will his cell's mightve played into his decision. Ultimately, he was programmed to absorb 17 and 18, so he was doing what his purpose was
A timeline with a possibly happy ending
My guess is the androids killed everyone in the unseen timeline. Trunks basically wanted a chance to fix his mistake by purposefully creating a new timeline.
Or cell pressed a bunch of buttons. He didn't know what he was doing.
You have a brilliant comment. So you suggest the Unseen timeline was not fixed?
@@QaamansLand Yea, as a possibility. Could be he stopped them but everyone else still died, like during the road battle. Depending on the Androids, or in some other scenario.
It depends on whether changes happen because of specific things, or they're just possibly different.
I think the general fandom idea is usually the androids were less evil based on gero switching from Goku to world conquering (making them more evil). But it depends on how much events are the same, how much gero messed with their minds ECT.
Or what happened if they ever try to fight them again.
@@QaamansLandyeah i agree with him
i believe the androids plus 16 succeeded in killing goku and the z warriors
16 was specifically designed to kill goku and guaranteed he did
should make a video about one day that be sweet🔥💯
@@QaamansLandif it wasn't for piccolo arriving at master roshis house in the main timeline goku would've got killed in his sleep
maybe that's how they kill goku in unseen timeline....
@@QaamansLand Ofc it was not fixed thats the whole point. If it was fixed there was no reason to go back to the past and get killed by Cell. Trunks wanted to go to the past to help Z fighters deactivate the androids before they killed everyone.
please do What if Future Gohan lived and went back in time alongside Trunks. I think you did a similar video a long long time ago but its in need of a remake
Link?
its weird how WEAK they make future gohan. ...in contrast to his main timeline version. there is no logical reason for that.
especially once goku died and he had to take over his dads hero of the earth duty. also in a world where androids eventually
took over and having to fight near death battles everyday. zenaki boosts? pent up anger? after years of that struggle. makes
no sense he never hit ss2...
unless in this timeline half breed saiyans are weaklings for some reason.
@@ssppeeaarr fr don't make sense how Gohan didn't hit ssj2
To fully understand how and why the hidden timeline exists, one has to re-imagine the android saga without Cell. From the arrival of 19 and 20 to the point where Piccolo tries to fuse with Kami.
What would be the outcome of that? Did Kami and Piccolo merge? How were androids defeated? What resulted in Trunks setting his time machine to travel back one year earlier before the androids arrived?
It's not just unseen...it was unheard of too since Cell was the only person who actually knew what happened in the original timeline where he killed Trunks before he could either make it back to the unseen timeline or go further back, we never knew any real details about the murdered Trunks and what he encountered in the unseen timeline when he first went
Remembering Bulma created a device to kill 17 and 18. In the main timeline cell was there and krillin had a crush on 18 so the outcome would have been different
kami and piccolo only merge because kami could sense cells presence which makes them want to fuse
even tho they didn't really want fuse they had to in order to save the world
but since cell is not present at all means they most likely didn't fuse which leads to piccolos death to the androids plus 16 in the picture
remember their original goal was to hunt down goku then wreck the world like in the original only this time 16 is their with them.....
which would explain why trunks wanted to go back a year further
it's a possible outcome
Time travel never fails to create some of the most confusing logic ever
For anybody who thinks toriyama can’t write, I dare you to find somebody who wrote a more complex and confusing future timelines than him
Dr. Who. That is all.
Whoever wrote Chrono Trigger & Chrono Cross 🤷🏾♂️😂
@@zhadowblade you got me there. I have no idea what that is
@@timgod87 Chrono Trigger is an old SNES game. I never played it, but I have heard of it.
@@timgod87 Old video game series that Toriyama did the art and character design for.
Qaaman still makes videos? That's aweomse!
This is simple. Trunks went back and helped the z fighters deal with his version of the androids, which caused the timeline to split. Trunks gets home and solos the androids before being killed by Cell. Trunks' first interference causes events to change (stronger androids, Cell). Once the new androids and Cell are dealt with, Trunks goes back to his future. Since the original Trunks was killed by cell, this 2nd Trunks' survival creates a third timeline.
Nope. This is incorrect. I've made countless videos already explaining why.
I like the to think the original timeline just morphed into the unseen timeline and the original just doesn’t go forward after that point.
But it’s all confusing, of course time traveling would be considering we haven’t seen it done.
??? The original timeline will always continue now that it was created. Nobody survives, maybe Bulma and a few others but it's pretty bleak. Unseen timeline, nobody knows what happened there. Not only did we not see it, there is NOBODY tell us what actually happened. The only we even know an Unseen timeline existed was because Cell said Trunks was planning to use the time machine to go back and that the androids were defeated in the Original timeline which he came to the conclusion of after searching the planet for them yet never finding them and then stumbling upon Capsule Corp and Trunks, which is exactly why Cell needed to go back and killed Trunks. Original timeline Trunks is dead, he can't tell us what he saw or what they did to defeat the androids sadly.
It’s good to know there is in fact a plot hole. That being said it is a great trove for fan theories. I look forward to watching your video surrounding that.
Original timeline: Goku dies, androids take over, Trunks goes back in time. Cell kills Trunks and goes back in time
Unseen timeline: Trunks goes back in time, nani nani happens, Z-fighters and Trunks find a way to defeat the Androids and returns to the future
Main timeline: Cell creates this timeline, Trunks from the original timeline somehow travels here too and creates the main story, goes back to the original timeline and kills the androids and Cell
This is all the info we get from the manga. Fact is, there is a huge plothole that cannot be explained using the given information. In the future, Trunks both gets killed by Cell and kills Cell. Sure, you can invent more timelines to try to explain it away, but it’s simply copium at that point. It was not part of Toriyama’s original vision to have 4 or 5 timelines. He wrote it as he went and made a mistake. Simple as.
No. There HAS TO BE 4 based on the two different Trunks'.
I wonder if the original idea was for trunks to die when he went back to the future thus creating the paradox that would create cell but then toriyama not wanting to kill trunks at the end of the cell saga decided not to leaving us with that plot hole
Weird, I didn't know Trunks had straight up defeated the androids in the unseen timeline. I always thought the androids were still wrecking stuff, but since they had killed so many humans, Cell had no way of getting strong enough to absorb them
Longtime Qaaman fans hearing "Unseen Timeline" aw shit here we go again. you were the first theory TH-camr I found for anime, and the Hot/Unseen timeline videos are the first thing I think about with this channel, got me nostalgic.
wow .1 seconds in and i’m already confused affff had to restart the beginning so many times
How so?
bro i heard “ the unseen timeline is the timeline that the timeline of the original trunks came back to that timeline of future trunks”😂 after finishing the video i understood there was like 3 different timelines that beginning just had me bamboozled😂
I think Trunks probably dialed the time back a bit by mistake similar to when you channel surf and accidentally go over the channel you wanted to get at 😂.
I know it’s a underwhelming explanation but makes sense
Makes a video.
Blows your freaking mind.
Then leaves.
-Qaaman
In a good way or bad way?
@@QaamansLand in a good way! I thought i had heard all there was to hear about the timelines! But here I am in 2023 still getting blown away lol
So here's the thing. Daizenshuu 7 (think it was 7) said the Unseen TL was a Cell Games without Trunks. I know they sort of tried to retcon it later but....
I believe the Unseen TL and the Main TL diverge when Trunks makes the decision to leave instead of train. But because the original history was Trunks dying, Cells goes back in time to before it diverges from the Main TL. Divergence happens at the moment of Paradox, which happens when Trunks decides to train not when Cell arives.
So there are 2 identical Cells, one in each TL both originating in the same TL.
Quaman is the man to put it into perspective.
I’d say this is harder to math that calculus
Whenever you do a video of this topic I always get reminded of your "Unofficial" Timeline Video. I always enjoy that video.
The explanation i used to explain why Trunks went back in time in the unseen timeline was to warn them of Broly or some new threat
There's still a missing Cell in the FoT tho. Future Timeline 1 Cell kills Trunks and travels to the past, 1 year before Frieza and Trunks show up, thus creating the FoT timeline, and then Trunks travels to the main tineline which is pretty much identical up to his arrival, including Cell which is the one we see become perfect. Trunks goes back to the FoT timeline, kills 17, 18 and lab Cell, but Timeline 1 Cell should still be lurking around
FoT?
@@QaamansLand Future of Trunks
Plot hole with the original timeline. In the anime where piccolo is questioning imperfect cell. Cell explains how he got Frieza and king colds cells from when future trunks killed them. The original timeline should have played out with Goku using instant transmission to get back to earth and defeating them both. Like in the HOT timeline. Which suggests that the original timeline, even though they prepared for the Androids would have been different in how things played out leading up to Cell killing Trunks. Perhaps Goku didn't survive the heart virus and Piccolo wasn't strong enough to kill the Androids after merging with Kame. Or when they found 17 and 18 they were all killed. Those Androids could have also been evil as the HOT timeline Androids but as strong as the main timeline Androids.
I think the original timeline is noticeably different from the HOT timeline and not just from trunks traveling to the unseen timeline. The Z fighters still die in the original timeline because they weren't strong enough even though they prepared.
This also suggests that there was infact more timelines revolving around this arc than the 4 you mentioned. Not including super android 13.
I can think of 5 timelines. I'll break it down as simple as I can. We'll call the original timeline the "cell timeline". Then we'll add one more timeline before that and call that the original so it makes sense.
1. Original timeline is almost identical to HOT timeline and plays out the same with trunks going to the past.
2. The past is the cell timeline. He kills Frieza and king cold like in the main and unforseen timelines. But in the cell timeline they still all die and the Androids reek havoc on the world until that trunks grows up and travels to unseen timeline.
3. Unseen timeline they all survive and trunks gets a deactivation device and goes back to cell timeline. After destroying 17 and 18 in cell timeline trunks is killed by cell.
4. Cell going back in time intersecting with trunks changes the main timeline making it fork in a new direction from the unseen timeline.
This actually leaves 2 cells who exist in alternate timelines. The original timeline cell exists and is able to become perfect because that trunks never returned to destroy 17 and 18.
Cell also exists in unseen universe because he wasn't known about, and he cannot absorb 17 and 18 to become perfect.
I did a video discussing everything you typed
@@QaamansLand but 3 different Future Trunks to support the 5th timeline. The one Cell discussed to Piccolo who killed Frieza and King Cold. The one Cell killed and took his time machine. And the HOT Trunks.
Your video of one Cell that survived in the unseen only shows the 4 timelines. Unless you eliminate the unseen timeline where in the Cell timeline Trunks never traveled to the past, who managed to get a shutdown device and was going to take it to the past to destroy the Androids. Can you verify if that Trunks ever traveled to the past before Cell killed him?
If there are only 4 timelines. That would mean that 2 different Trunks only time traveled in 2 of them and Cell time traveled in one of them. And so the Future Trunks that killed Frieza from Cells timeline would be considered both the original and unseen timeline.
I'll respond via video. It's too much to text on here.
Fun fact: OG' Future Trunks stills alive in DBZ Shin Budokai 1(Chapter 4 to 5-4). No jokes
Unseen TL should be where the original movies and GT take place, a good way to make those things “Cannon”
God the attempt to make sense of Cell became a mess
And even now in the Manga a third version of Trunks is fighting a third version of Cell.
I just had a stroke
Ya know that scene at the end of Billy Madison where the guy tears into his answer about the puppy? Thats how I feel about this video.
Link?
Maybe an extra year back was to find out where New Namek is so they can use the Nemakian Dragon Balls to res some people or get a new green god?
It would be easier to achieve that closer to the time the Namekians left and had New Namek made
5:23 I dont think it was a plot hole in regarding why the time machine was set to return to an earlier time before Goku's arrival back to Earth from Yardraft. In the manga, after Piccolo asks Cell about the mystery of why Cell had traveled to an earlier timeline, in which Cell responded that he simply pressed a button, Piccolo then deduced that Future Trunks intention of going back in time was to inform the Z warriors of the unknown timeline about his victory over the andriods, which is what the alternate future trunks does, after killing the andriods of his future in the alternate future timeline, thus confirming Piccolo's theory.
The only reason Cell traveled to an earlier timeline was because he killed the original Future Trunks before Trunks could set the proper coordinates for his time machine to travel to the unknown timeline to meet back with the Z warriors. Based on Cell's story, he appeared before Future Trunks after finding out about the time machine and killed Trunks before he could do anything to properly set the right coordinates to go back to meet the Z warriors he had already encountered. Because Cell saw the time machine as an opportunity, he wasted no time allowing Trunks to board the time machine, and basically killed Trunks right after Trunks had activated the machine, which is explains why the time machine was practically set on an auto coordinate, not the one Trunks intended.
I've thought about this subject countless times. Yet how I micromanaged the plot holes was that Trunks went back the first time to warn them. Then decided that he never had to defeat Frieza or talk to the guys at all and just head straight to Dr. Gero's lab. So instead of staying in the past like he does in the shows timeline. He goes back to the future after getting the Android plans because Cell never arrived in that alternate show timeline. He figured that future was saved because they have the deactivation remotes. Then after returning to his time, he used the remote to deactivate the Androids and take them out. As the future started to rebuild, he also had to wait 3 years in order to use the time machine again due to the futures limited fuel. His plan was to go back a year before meeting the guys and killing Frieza in order to prevent having to and just going to Dr. Gero directly in order to prevent as much change as possible. That's when Cell gets the jump on Trunks after over hearing his plans. We call this original timeline Cells timeline more or less. Then you got Trunks timeline which is basically the Trunks we know from the show (and movie) and then the shows actual timeline.
Another theory is that instead of having a remote. He somehow manages to kill the Androids of his timeline via a fluke because we learn that when the timeline changes, the power of the Androids get stronger. Its possible that the original Androids of Cells timeline were weaker than the Trunks and the shows timeline (The fact that we don't know much about that timeline could also mean that the Z warriors were weaker when they were killed. Maybe Vegeta and Gohan never turned Super Saiyan) but with each change, each timeline got stronger versions. Thus instead of Trunks being able to win on a fluke, he was defeated before accepting his fate and using the time machine. This would only give us the three timelines. Cell's, Trunks, and Shows.
Some heavy string theory timeline stuff. This also explains why Goku Black is so pissed off and mentions Trunks messing with time lines instead of time line
Imagine There's A timeline Where Cell Obsrorbs The Androids And Trains And Becomes The Strongest
I always thought cell only went back an extra year because it takes time for his larva state to regrow
Is it safe to assume Androids 19 and 20 weren’t the first androids the Z fighters would come across in the unseen timeline since there wasn’t a cell buried underground to mess with that timeline?
Hmm that means there's a time line where the events played out where trunks didn't go back and cell gets released either goku kills 17 and 18 and imperfect cell roams around piccolo fuses with kami...
I think what might've happened is, and about as fast as it did in the show, not shown widely, but widely known Android #19 and Gero did attack a city, Z-fighters showed up to stop them.
Vegeta could go Super Saiyan unknown to Gero, and he kills #19 after Goku falls ill, causing Gero to flee, and they send Gohan to take him home similar to mainline minus future trunks.
Gero flees to his lab to free #17 & #18 to help, but like in Super Android #13 they kill him, but Gero never gets to indicate about the remote, or blueprints, they just kill him.
Then the two go and wreck havoc and find the Z-fighters in short time as they were hot on Gero, but didnt know about his base as they lacked Bulma's knowledge since they didn't know about the initial attack for her to show up or hang around like she does in mainline.
Z-fighters are defeated quickly by #17 and #18, leaving Gohan and Trunks at their respective homes.
Goku died naturally and has no otherworld physical form, piccolo died so no dragon balls.
Time proceeds normal for a bit, and with the Androids widely broadcast Bulma recognizes the logo on their clothes and realizes Gero might've been (and was) involved, and probably had failsafes or something that could aid them.
They cautiously look for Gero's base and stumble upon it, and conveniently a remote, or plans for one. They see cell's tube but not knowing much don't bother, or dont pay enough mind.
Alternatively they only find the lair after cell has broken out (but not tracked the androids yet) already and therefor dont even know, in this case likely Future Gohan found it, or older Trunks if Gohan were to have died from Cell or the Androids (in the confusion and destruction who did it wouldnt be very well known).
Trunks (or Gohan) grab the remote and return safely to Bulma and ensure they are destroyed.
For some reason or another there is no more Gohan.
Trunks sets the machine to go make a better future, Cell kills Trunks and hijacks the Time Machine.
No one questions a missing Trunks as who knows how long or short his trip could be, and after awhile would be an assumed failure and Bulma never makes another/"better" working Time Machine lacking suitable Guinea Pigs with everyone she knew and loved gone including her offspring.
Frieza might've shown up and in rage Vegeta would've gotten his Super Saiyan form similar to how in training he gets it in mainline from jealousy. But against Frieza+Jealousy it's almost a guarantee he gets it, not without a fight though, but has time to recover between Frieza's visit and Gero appearing.
Alternatively Frieza didn't find anyone to kill in time before Goku returns, sees him, and kills him having learned how to control his transformation on Yardrat. Vegeta gets his form the same way as mainline in this case.
I always assumed the version that killed trunks took the time machine in a timeline where Trunks never got to visit the past.
Facts about the timelines though.
@OfficialQaaman____ 😊👍
I think Super kind of gave it away regarding trunks time travel shenanigans, What I think it was, Trunks and Bulma future must of had issues in finding ways in defeating the androids, he went into the past, met past Bulma and maybe a couple of folks to tell them the chaos that ensured, Past Bulma told him there's got to be a way in turning them off, hence why the controller was made in the past and in which case he turned them off in the unseen timeline, went into the future in his own timeline and turned them off in his own timeline. My guess is it is at THIS point where Cell captures him as he was looking to return to tell past Bulma he had done it and stopped the androids.
The crazy thing is that in the unseen timeline majin buu was resurrected and there was no one to stop Babidi
the timeline lore was always so confusing, specially after dbs and the goku black arc came
I like your unseen timeline video 😎
my day gets better when we get timeline explanations😮💨
Gee,I had no idea up until now that all this in writing made a paradox in some ways.
ASSUMPTION: This may have made problems with the unseen defeat of Freezer and King Cold by Goku when he arrives from Yardrat.
THEORY: Each time Trunks unseen timeline gets talked about it will be often regarded az a convoluted time paradox.
Trunks and cell killing each other twice is fucking hilarious. I never even though about it. Can’t believe TFS didn’t play that up.
3:18 Ok so, original timeline is bad; this forces OG Trunks to use time machine to change things and this makes the main timeline.
OG Trunks goes back to the: 0:02 Unseen Timeline?! gets killed by Cell... Why does he end up there instead of back in his time?
OG Cell then uses the time machine... and doesn't make a new timeline like trunks... but end up in the main one?!
How is the History of Trunks Timeline made?
7:34 wait so cell created the main timeline?
So did OG Trunk create the Unseen Timeline?
Then go back to the OG timeline. Then cell killed him; used the machine, which created the Main Timeline.
Then how does The History Of Trunks Timeline fit in?
That's another explanation for another day
This video is a nice example of how I HATE timeline/time travel bs in stories. I can't take this serious.
The original timeline is more than likely doomed. Babidi would get the sealed Buu & eventually have him revived as Shin with Kabito die in vain by Dabura.
Once the physical manifestation of evil awaken, Babidi will convince him of destroying many planets until the mortal level is low enough for Zeno to erase Universe 7. If they ever teleported to the solar system Vampa is at, Buu would destroy it from space as Canonical Broly doesn't have a ki shield for protection. Or would react fast enough to prevent it.
Are you talking about the wrong timeline? I'm discussing the Unseen Timeline.
@@QaamansLand Can't tell if you're making a joke or not. I've never had strangely. Thanks for liking my comment on your what if. Rare videos like that are my precious.
Did you delete your other comment about going to bed?
So I get that Original Timeline Trunks going back to the past created the Unseen Timeline, and HoT Timeline Trunks going back created the Main Timeline, but where did the HoT Timeline come from? And how did Original Timeline Cell get to the Main Timeline, which was a modified version of another timeline entirely?
I have to do a whole separate video on this. There is a reason why I didn't explain it in this video.
The HoT timeline is an alternate version of the Original Trunk's Timeline (A.k.a Cell's Timeline).
The HoT Timeline is the result of Future Trunks returning to his timeline after learning about the existence of Cell and the time machine. This knowledge causes the HoT Timeline to diverge from Cell's timeline. Future Trunks is now aware of Cell's ambush plan to steal his time machine and, equipped with the training he received in the Main Timeline, is able to defeat Cell in his own world. Both of these factors enable Trunks to prevent the grim fate originally destined for his future. That is how the HoT timeline is created.
Most people miss the fact that the first alteration Trunks makes in the timeline is to kill Freeza in the past.
This event is the thing that screws up the timeline of the androids first interaction with the cast.
The unseen timeline ended with majinbu destroying the whole planet.
I’ve watched 10+ videos on dbz timelines/time travel and I still don’t get it lol
After 20yrs someone explains it understandably
Gosh, I get the timelines are a little confusing, but this video managed to make it 10x more confusing haha
It just makes me think of how powerful the cell we know and love would have been if he absorbed the androids from his timeline
What about Goku black in the unseen time line?
Doesn't exist
Toriyama really wrote himself into a corner with this. Thank God he don't care 😅😅😅