What Happened In The ORIGINAL TIMELINE In Dragon Ball Z?
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- In this video @LSMMIKE explains What Happened In The ORIGINAL TIMELINE In Dragon Ball Z?
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Always found it ironic that the last saiyan left was apart of the royal bloodline. Everyone got wiped out but the royal blood lives on. The last remaining of the low class saiyans basically sacrificed himself to keep the royalty alive
When you put it like that it really is ironic, Vegeta smiling in the after life
It’s like when Neji died for Hinata
@@j3ts287I haven't watched Naruto and I feel triggered by the spoiler
@@ilyas_elouchihi you're years late man, Naruto wins
@@ilyas_elouchihi very late bro
My theory is that Trunks from the original timeline destroyed 17 and 18 by using a shutoff device, and that's why he had the time machine set for so early hen Cell killed him. He was going to give it to Bulma, so they'd be ready and avoid the mess all together.
Oh, that makes sense.
I think Trunks also would have eventually gotten as strong as 17 and 18 and could have beaten them then had the Time Machine Set up to give Goku the heart virus medication way earlier. Cell ambushed him and took him out which enabled him to travel back but a key thing here is that Trunks wouldn't have gotten the Time Chamber training. Which is probably what enabled Cell to overpower him in an ambush.
@@Zeromaru42 Remember (at least in the anime) that Future Trunks told Goku that once his symptoms started to take the medicine. Goku didn't take it anyway, despite his warning, & nearly died of the same illness. If he went back earlier & did that, Goku would have probably forgotten about it or ignored it regardless. I suspect that Future Trunks was going back further to take out all the androids before they were operational, including Cell.
@@Mattsurugii Goku's illness started earlier than expected. Goku fully planned to take the vaccine. No one realized he was having symptoms until it was too late.
@@Mattsurugii what do you mean? Goku did take it lol
I always considered Cell’s Timeline to be the “original” version of Future Trunks timeline. Where events of both timelines are the same up until Trunks’ second return from the past.
Likewise, the Unseen Timeline can be considered the “original” version of the Main Timeline, were events are the same up until the Androids arrival
Yes❤❤❤
You're exactly right. I just made a comment on here that kind of connects to what you said
Not quite. The Cell we know comes from the original timeline. That is the only timeline where someone doesn't come back in time to alter things. So things played out the way they were supposed to. It was Bulma and Trunks from that original timeline that messed things up by making a time machine and going back to alter the 'unseen timeline'. Cell killing Trunks and going back four years or so before Frieza showed up on Earth is what created the main timeline the show follows and the History of Trunks timeline. So it was he that made the timelines split and not Trunks of the History of Trunks timeline.
@andrewvincent7299 Nope. Not how that works.
The ORIGINAL FIRST TIMELINE is the timeline that the Universe 12 time traveler comes from. He's the first to time travel successfully, which resulted in the 2nd timeline being made, which is the one Cell comes from. So the Universe 12 time traveler is indirectly responsible for Perfect Cell.
And we really don’t know things were the same in the cell timeline (and the other one trunks is from) beyond some key details like vegeta comes to earth, namek, SSj and goku kills mecha Frieza. Everything else could be different. Like the movies could happen. Like tree of might, lord slug, etc.
I have so many questions that Toriyama left unanswered: 1- how come no one told Original Gohan and Trunks about the hyperbolic time chamber? 2- did the androids destroy Kami's look out? 3- what happened to the gravity room that Vegeta trained with?
ROSAT wouldn’t help them
Bulma lost her wealth in the apocalypse
Have to consider without enough time, no one truly considered there was a level above SS for Saiyans. They would raise their base but it wouldn't be enough of a multiplier without ascension.
Also Piccolo likely died without fusing with Kami so no one could tell them about it
If piccolo/ kami were killed and the lookout was destroyed after then no one would be aware of the chamber, popo would of probably been searching for a new guardian on namek or he probably died too.
I have always liked the idea of travelling in time to a point where the villain isn't as strong as the one you've originally fought. I can imagine future cell (the one that got killed by trunks) was eager to know what his perfect form looked like, and he didn't even know what his name was at that point.
I remember in DBZ Budakai 1 on PlayStation 2 there was a special Cell saga(what if) where it showed Cell's very existence on Earth the 4 years early that was talked about in the manga and the anime. It confirmed it was around the Namek Saga when he landed in the main timeline. Bulma, Gohan and Krillin was seen aboarding the space ship while Cell in his semi imperfect state watched them from afar.🙂
..source? The clip you might be talking about is when Bulma and Gohan do research with Future Trunks in the main timeline.
@@mrm64 what source? he is literally telling you that budokai 1 had a what if story about main timeline Cell lol
@@xeienar you got a source for budokai 1? like who made it? where did it come from?
Was it created in the unseen timeline where Toriyama was a Video Game Developer?
@@xeienar y'all remember when cell absorbed Krillin 🤣🤣
@@alexander1055What doe toriyama have to do with the video game?
One reason why I love that loney archive video where goku teleports inside frieza's spaceship.
Cell’s timeline was most likely the original. Trunks went to the past and found a way to shut down the androids when he returned to the future. On his way back to the past he was ambushed by Cell. When Cell travelled back he inadvertently created new past and future timelines. There’re four timelines up to that point in the storyline.
Wish there was more backstory on Goku’s fight against Frieza & King Cold. The means of Goku’s arrival on Earth has some conflicting dialogue in the show. Goku tells Trunks that he could’ve used Instant Transmission to make it in time. Yet Trunks says that Goku was due to land 2 hours after Frieza & King Cold. Maybe that’s how it played out in the future timeline, but Trunks’ arrival into the past changes that aspect of the story. The same way Goku catches the heart virus later than expected, as well as how Androids 19 & 20 show up to fight first, instead of 17 & 18.
Agree. Maybe in the 2 hours after Frieza arrived he stayed in his ship while his foot soldiers where picked off by the Z fighters.
@@702jose9 thats what I’m assuming as well. That Frieza originally waits out the 2 hours for Goku to arrive, while his soldiers attack everyone.
I did a video here breaking down what I believe happened during that fight: th-cam.com/video/6dPiuukuuFs/w-d-xo.html
@@LSMMIKE ahh yes perfect!!
The viruses symptoms only happened later than expected because Goku didn't fight with freeza and cold. It's been shown that going super accelerated the heart virus
So the Unseen Universe (UU) never had to deal with Cell, but they never saw their Future Trunks again. The UU probably had a bad ending too. Without Cell to push them to unlock new power ups and transformations they may not have been strong enough when Buu came around.
They wouldn’t even have enough energy to hatch buu
@@crimsonking4151 it would be interesting though, with all of them in SS1 + shin, maybe using fusion to deal with dabura
Even if they did manage to deal with buu, Moro got his magic back when buu died. Moro would eventually make his way to earth and everyone would be fodder
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Fusion was discovered by Goku in the 7 years after he died from Cell. However, since their is no Cell, Goku would’ve never died, which means no fusion. The flip side to this is that since Goku most likely would’ve never died in this timeline, Vegeta would’ve never cared about the fight at the world tournament, because he could fight Goku whenever he wanted. This means Majin Vegeta most likely would never happened, which means Buu wouldn’t have been released because everyone would be completely focused on eliminating the threat of Buu immediately.
@@donovanlarsen7982 ye its why i mentioned dabura only, also, i was thinking potara fusion. but i forgot that without the elder kai, shin has no clue.
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The algorithm took me here after not being interested in Dragon Ball in so long and I’m loving all these videos. Could you do a comparison between Z and Kai? Thank you and keep the great content coming!
Kai is heavily censored. And more manga accurate regarding what the characters say
In the panel at 9:41 Cell said "We could have added Trunks's DNA to the line, but we had enough Saiyan samples." That means from that timeline that Cell came from, Trunks killed Frieza and King Cold and not Goku and so that suggests a timeline before the original timeline. I decided it was easier to call it the Cell timeline. And the timeline before that was the original timeline. This means 3 different future trunks not including the non-canon movies.
Cell Timeline where Cell kills Trunks and he travels back to the past of Goku's Timeline
@@gioharmonwelvidal correct
Crazy to think that the current timeline is actually just a alternative timeline to the timeline where trunks never got a chance to time travel
I’ve always loved that both Trunks are so different from each other. Main timeline Trunks is youthfully confident and even a little entitled like Vegeta. Future Trunks is somber and constantly on guard.
Dudeeee I was just thinking of all this recently. This is such a good video. U gained a fan!
I really love these thumbnails on these kind of videos it’s how Ik it’s your videos
Did time travel in Dragonball create a ripple in all the universes that ended up creating fighters that naturally surpass the Gods of Destruction?
Honesty I think the dark og timeline which cell came from is showing us how lucky are the z fighters plus showing us what could of happned if if they lost they simply lose everything
Its like the " bad dream" version
Cool Vid, LSM! I always get chills when 17 said he wasn't even using half of his power. Anyway to talk in a DM somewhere?
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@@LSMMIKE so cell is from the original time travel timeline after he killed trunks what happened to the z fighters and to broly and paragus and paragus?
IIRC, Cell states that he needed 4 years to develop from a pupa to his adult self. Thus, if he went back to the time to the year of Trunks's first arrival, he would reach adulthood one year after the Androids came, risking him to lose them if they were defeated in the meantime, defeating the purpose of the time travel. Consequently, the only way to guarantee that he would be able to absorb the Androids and reach perfection, is to travel at least four years before the Androids' first arrival.
Therefore, my interperpration is that it was who Cell deliberately set the time machine to one year before Trunks's first coming, not Trunks by accident or mistake.
Here's something I've always wondered. How did the future timeline have enough food for two half-Saiyans to eat? For 17 years. I would think there'd be a massive food shortage...
Same way they magically had the resources to build a whole Time Machine lol.
briefs family greenhouses, if i had to guess
You never seen Goku hunt?
Capsule corp technology, massive storages of canned goods all miniaturized to the size of a cocktail weenie.
Think of all the beans.
To be fair, most of the population was killed anyway so the food could be easier to make and maintain.
It's Bulma though, she solos in inventive technology.
Zamasu didn’t choose the original timeline because Shin is most likely still alive, for whatever reason. Remember, Zamasu looked was looking specifically for a timeline without a God of Destruction, meaning that our Trunks’s timeline was the only one in which Shin died. The others, he either didn’t die or passed his title of Supreme Kai to someone else, before dying.
The Supreme Kai in that timeline sacrificed himself in the fight against Dabura, which became the trigger for Trunks unlocking his Ikari form.
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I wasn’t talking about Trunks’s timeline. I was referring to Cell’s timeline; the one where he killed Trunks and stole his time machine.
yeah agree bro
Glad to see I'm not the only person who has thought of this! Thanks for breaking this down. I feel like this kind of thing needs some kind of graph or chart showing how each timeline played out. I'll spare my fanfic idea I have been thinking about that focuses on all the tertiary characters in this original timeline and share my thoughts regarding canon events and speculation instead.
One thing that always bothered me is how Baba never helped. Like seriously she could have brought back Goku, Piccolo, Vegeta, or anyone at any time to help Gohan and Trunks. My headcanon is there is a lot (in)conveniently involved with her ability to temporarily raise the dead and the cyborgs sacked her residence and broke her crystal ball which would have been her spell focus. Gero did a lot of recon after all and finding out all he could about Goku's allies and subconsciously planting them as targets in the cyborgs' subconscious seems like something he'd do. After all the cyborgs killed Korin which eliminated the senzu availability. So perhaps Baba was killed or she took a leaf from Roshi's book and went into hiding, perhaps fleeing into the Otherworld where she would be safe and then just never was able to help. Perhaps the lack of Kami due to Piccolo's death meant she lost an important intermediary to speak with King Yemma to ask to bring someone back?
The Oracle Fish prediction is definitely a "oh wow whoops" plot hole. However, I like to think it as something the Oracle Fish definitely had a vision of, only Trunks messing with time screwed up its prediction and it had looked into another timeline. I guess by some convoluted logic Trunks' actions caused a "final timeline" (the main story timeline) where The Battle of Gods actually takes place. There is another plot hole in the fact that Beerus wakes up at a point in time in the main story way before Gohan and Trunks are fighting 17 and 18. At the time Trunks is still in his early teens. We certainly don't see Beerus going to Earth and asking Gohan about Super Saiyan Gods. In this timeline I can only imagine it as Beerus waking up and the oracle Fish saying "my prediction must be off, the Super Saiyan God is not appearing yet" so Beerus just decides to go back to bed for a few more years to wait for something to happen, only to never wake up when Shin is killed by Babidi and Dabura. Unless there was something I missed in DBS and Beerus' lack of appearance in Trunks' timeline was explained? Like we know he faded when Trunks' Supreme Kai was killed but was it ever said why Beerus never showed up before then?
OR when Beerus wakes up, Whis says he could only find two pure blooded saiyans left on Vampa (completely disregarding the two relatively weaker half saiyans on a dying Earth). Vegeta proved that god ki can be attained without the ritual so maybe Whis and Beerus just train up Broly for Beerus' destined fight? So Beerus fights Broly, they have a good time, Broly trains with Whis for a while, Beerus goes down for a nap, Earth is completely disregarded, Shin gets himself killed, Beerus and Whis both fade, and Broly and Paragus find themselves stranded and alone again. At least Beerus' island is friendlier than Vampa. Hope there is something to eat there!
The date on the time machine being 4 years off... I like the idea that he was setting it to bring a remote back to create a timeline where nothing crazy happens but dang would the gods be even angrier at him for creating more timelines! I really think other than the idea of him falling on the controls when Cell killed him he just didn't finish setting it yet and that was one of his saved points he or Bulma thought of going back to. Perhaps a few different days were bookmarked like when Cell actually arrived, when Freeza lands, or right when Goku starts suffering from the virus.
Thinking of how exactly Babidi enacts his plans and who tries to stop him could be a fun story in itself. Perhaps some new heroes could arise. Perhaps Videl and Tao arise as the new strong powers on earth after being at odds and then deciding to work together in an unlikely duo. (Tao killed her father's master after all but a revenge plot was never explored. Also I desperately want to see Majin Tao happen.) Or maybe Jaako brings the galactic police to sort it out. Or maybe Arale just wanders over from Penguin Village and just messes up everything and then ends up becoming Buu's best friend, I could absolutely see Toriyama writing that as a joke. (Then things escalate into a storyline like the DBS main story and she befriends the Omni King too! Could you IMAGINE the mayhem?)
Quaaman already did that
When you think about it, Dr.Gero creating Cell don't even make sense. If he knew it was gone take that long to create cell and he planned on the androids killing Goku and everybody else, who was Cell supposed to beat?
dr gero wanted his perfect creation/warrior to explore the universe and demonstrate his abilities
that was the plan until gohan wipes him out
@@blessedxxiii8908 .....for what?
@@anthonywomack2260 well he's evil so he might kill everyone in the universe leaving only himself
nobody can stop him unless beerus wakes up
@BlessedXX if you're referring to Gero, he wasn't even planning on being alive, if you're referring to Cell, he wouldn't have been alive if it weren't for Gero creating him so it still doesn't make any sense
@@anthonywomack2260gero knew the androids would kill him which is why he made cell as a backup plan to continue on his legacy
so once the androids succeeded in killing the z fighters cell would emerge absorb them then do whatever he wants
time travel messed things up cause he was never meant to fight the z fighters that was just a blessing in disguise
I must admit I like what you do with your videos cause you show the manga side. Which is the original timeline I think
I always thought cell has reprogram the time machine to go a year before Frieza arrive
Something I've always wondered, (Since Super retconned this in) How do the oracle Fish's prophesy's work in relationship to time travel.
We know that the main timeline isn't really the original timeline, since it is only in the state that it is in thanks to trunks coming back and helping them out during the Android Saga.
So if Trunks never showed up, Goku would be dead, and that means no Super Saiyan God right?
So what about The oracle Fish's prediction that Beerus would fight a Super Saiyan God? How is this prediction compatible, when you consider that the only way this outcome could come about is if Trunks meddled with the timeline in the first place.
So what about the original Timeline, What happens to the Beerus? Did he just wake up and get mad when there was no Super Saiyan God? (And if you really think about it. Shouldn't he have still visited Earth even in the Original Timeline.)
It just seems like the oracle fish's prediction could only work if you take time travel into account. But then its still weird because The oracle fish made that prediction 39 years ago. Thats farther back in time than even cell went back in time. Meaning that the oracle fish's prediction should exist in all Timeline's. Yet the successful outcome of the prediction is only possible in one timeline.
Thank you for your generosity. If I had to say, prophecy is foresight of events to come, which are dictated by the timeline it's in. It's entirely possible that the Oracle Fish didn't make that prediction in the Original or History of Trunks timelines, or perhaps it did and was simply incorrect, such as with the prediction about an "Idol" coming to live with Beerus that never came to pass.
personally, i think it fits somewhat well even without having enough saiyans to complete the ritual - Vegeta, as far as we know, obtained SSG through training amongst those with god ki, right? well, he could always go to Broly, have him train with Whis, and attain SSG that way! the vagueness of *who* the SSG is in the prophecy makes me think it could have been any of the Saiyans, whether Gokū's alive or not. as long as a single Saiyan exists somewhere, even one as weak as Tarble, a SSG can be made, and a rival honed
@@LSMMIKE Wouldn't the oracle fish give a prophecy justified by the timeline being set since Trunks time machine is more of just advanced space travel?
You a pose a great question. I also pondered a similar question. I imagine that the prophecy still happened because time is not linear. All of time exists (past, present and future) with infinite possibilities being probable.
That said, the prophecies that the oracle fish has had recently such as the ssj god one and strongest mortal ever. Can still happen. For one, broly does exist. 2. Granolah and the heater's events happen independent of earth anyway.
They also couldn't occur if for instance. A meteor or beerus destroyed vampa. Or the cerulean namekian died out of the blue.
The universe has a knack for fixing itself. Androids that plagued trunks are destroyed along with earth because of because of majin buu awakening or beerus blowing earth upî7
Prophesy is something that can happen. Not something that will.
I've been saying that we need a 12 or 24 episode series of these timelines. Gohan growing up in that future all those 13 years worth of story to tell. Of course we know how it ends but the in between would be nice. His struggles through out the years, when he first turned super saiyan. Also if Bulma was so smart, why didn't she get some of Gohan's genetic material to have more saiyans around? How she gets the genetic material I'll leave to your imagination. But seriously she could have other women and herself birth more saiyans or take his blood and go the cloning rout. Dropped the ball there Bulma.
Well Gohan was only 9 when the androids showed up. In order to avoid the age problem Bulma would have to wait so many years that by the time the kids grew up to fighting age then Gohan would be dead. And given that Gohan struggled for so many years to teach trunks ssj, it's likely that trunks would struggle even more with teaching the other kids ssj.
I mainly want this to see how the original Gohan first became SS
@@ojpickle5923 maybe so but struggling is better than not at all.
@@youtubestudiosucks978 all Bulma needed to do was set up a S bank for just Gohan and Trunks and have some ladies volunteer. Gohan was 9 when the androids attacked so to keep it moral she just needed to wait about 4 to 5 years for Gohan to mature enough to ethically collect his genes.
@@ThatGuyThai precisely
Whatever happened to Chichi in this timeline??? I thought it would have been cool if they had shown Chichi in the Goku Black arc
I'm sure bulma or trunks would of mentioned her if she were alive or something.
@@justinarzola4584 she was literally shown in the anime
@@Yamcha291 Sadly it's implied she committed suicide after losing her baby.. she should have had her father left you'd think but he was nowhere to be found and we all know how much chichi worries... sadly I think she was likely mentally crippled and losing Gohan was just too much. Great news is heaven will fix it all
@@jaylt784 Damn it..poor Chichi...she just wanted a family. She lost the love of her life and her pride and joy...reminds me of Mary Todd Lincoln after she lost her son, William Lincoln and then her husband President Abe Lincoln. She was never the same and never opened her window curtains to let the sun in her room until she passed away...
@@mrm64 I didn't know that.. man these women love their men deeply
The only reason I can vie that Bulma didn't use the Namekian DBs is because the space ship may be destroyed by the androids because the threat was so great.
I think it was implied that the “unseen timeline” is sort of the same as cell’s timeline, where cell’s future trunks succeeded in helping the past, came back to his time to defeat the androids, and ambushed future trunks as he was going to the past for whatever reason
Hits wood ..... when you realize the goku we originally watched from dragon ball to the frieza fight died 🤯🤯🤯
A possible way the story could go, the namekians still exist with dragonballs. If Bulma finds out Trunks dies and If theres no threat to stop her from building up the tech anymore I could see her trying to find and go to new namek and wish everyone back at that point. King kai could also possibly help, it's a bit weird he never got involved anyway, especially with Goku being dead and being able to direct his attention there.
Even if bulma revives everyone, they’re all dead anyway. Zeno wipes out the universe because there is no Goku to talk him into the universal tournament.
I would have thought seeing all his friends and family getting killed by the Androids would have caused Future Gohan to unlock SSJ2 at some point. Maybe if he hadn't knocked out Trunks and Trunks had gotten killed in battle instead of him, it would have pushed him over the edge into SSJ2. 🤔
I would think that emotion does allow one to tap into there inner power but most gotten to a prime state through training or physical exertion in order to do so. Vegeta had so much emotional damage done to him on Namek yet couldn't transform. It was only after years of training that he was at a point that he could tap into it through an emotional surge. You just can't jump into it I mean otherwise Goku would have turned into a Super Saiyan during King Piccolo. Although Toriyama retcons this later with Goten and Trunks being able to turn with little effort which to thos day I thought was extremely ridiculous storywise because it just laughs in the face of all the previous heroes who went through hell to get strong and become some of the most powerful fighter in the universe.
In Shin Budokai: Another Road, I'm pretty sure Babidi actually DOES come to Earth to attempt to resurrect Buu.
Beerus was still alive in the OG timeline. Beerus scared off Zamasu.
wasnt he sealed off inside a sword or something?
@@MSCDonkeyKong You're confusing Beerus and the Elder Supreme Kai for some reason...
Pretty much. He should technically be alive in the cell timeline still. That particular timeline has very little left on earth, babidi wouldn’t have enough energy to hatch buu, meaning shin wouldn’t intervene and die in battle.
Am I just now seeing the parallel between Gohan as well as Vegeta knocking out trunks to sacrifice themselves🤯
Instead of constructing a device to deactivate 2 androids Bulma invented freaking time travel! This women really loves it the hard way xD
What if GT is part of the unseen timeline? It picks up after the end of Z but also given what we've seen in Super, doesn't follow the whole Gods of Destruction being introduced, but does have Trunks that looks like original future Trunks and not the one shows in Super.
No. GT is a separate timeline like Super, and isn't the unseen timeline. And the trunks in GT is present kid trunks all grown up, he isn't future trunks, as goten is also there and GT was stated to be a timeskip after Z for five years
Could you imagine goku just sitting back while someone else beats Frieza and he's not even curious about it or scared and bulma didn't tell trunks goku could use instant transmission
I wonder if the original Trunks set up the Time Machine to go back 3 years before to stop Gero from building the Androids. Like Trunks was going to stop Gero from kidnapping Lapis and Lazuli and turning them into 17 and 18.
Nice video, but I've still got unanswered questions on this topic, like for example who created Future Trunks' timeline? Because the original timeline was the one that Cell came from, where he killed that Trunks. But what about the Future Trunks that went out to Super? What event caused that timeline?
It's caused by cell time traveling. This causes the future trunks we know to travel to the main timeline, a timeline with 2 cells. ( the split would officially happen when his time machine technically goes to a different past than the previous trunks.)
This causes his time machine to be "linked" to the 2-cell past instead of the 1-cell past, so when he returns to the past 3 years later the main timeline events happen where he learns about Cell, trained in the RoST, saw Gohan go SS2 and beat him, etc. Now because he knows of Cell and he's prepared for Cell in his own timeline, he doesn't get ambushed and killed, and the timelines diverge further from there.
The question then becomes, why did his time machine go to the main timeline with 2 cells instead of a past with just 1 fetus cell like the previous future trunks... It could just be a quirk of time travel or it's just a paradox and Toriyama didn't think that hard about it.
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Dang, last time i was this early i became a father 👀
It's sad if you think about it the time-line were goku died from the heart virus is the goku we followed since he was a baby. But i don't know if that time-line is still around considering the fact that zeno was planning to erase low leveled universes.
There is a fan made story/manga that tells you what happens if Cell won but from Trunks' timelines point of view called Dragon Ball New Hope, don't think the original timeline events would be too much different
On the original timeline bulma completely has the ability to make a spaceship and go to namek if there is nothing left for her on earth.
I always stuck to the shutdown device idea because whether or not Trunks was surprised by Cell, had he trained in the HTC he'd have been more than a match for base form Cell.
I think after losing his son, Bulma will never let it go like that, she will search for some solution so I think she will come up with the plan to go on new names and get the dragon ball
How different would the history of trunks timeline have been if Goten was there? Toriyama probably didn’t think of him yet but looking at it goten had to have been conceived around 3 months after Frieza’s arrival since he is about a year younger. The only reason why he wouldnt exist is that agony died with 3months after Frieza arriving. More so, the androids won’t appear for another 2 years therefore goten would be 2 and trunks 3 assuming holy didn’t die 3 months after Friezas arrival.
I'd actually always thought the dead Trunks was a mistake in the series. And it's shown again with Super and the Time Rings. There are 3 rings. One for the original timeline, one for the timeline Trunks created, and then one for the timeline that Zamasu created.
So where is the ring for the reality where Trunks died? So there should be a 4th ring for the timeline Cell created after killing his version of Trunks.
I'll argue this even further by saying that there are 3 Trunkses in the series. The one that came back in time, the one in our timeline, and then the dead Trunks.
And then even further proof; Future Trunks goes back to his original timeline and kills cell in that timeline. So there are also 3 cells. The Cell in Gero's lab in our timeline that they kill before it is born, the Cell who killed the 3rd Trunks who came back, became perfect and was defeated by Gohan, and then Future Cell from the same timeline as Future Trunks, who dies in his Imperfect Stage.
In conclusion, there are actually 4 timelines, 3 Trunkses and 3 cells, and Toriyama just never, ever addressed the Dead Trunks/Perfect Cell timeline ever again. It just vanished
The original death of Trunks is pretty straight forward. With no Cell in the past, Trunks helped defeat the androids then went back in time to defeat them in his timeline. Cell then blind sighted him with move lists from the Z warriors he had no idea of. Was probably solar flared and then grabbed by Cell. When Cell went to the past and made a new timeline, Trunks second visit witnessed Cell, then the events of Vegeta and him training and getting stronger and the Cell games, lead to him returning and killing Cell
"i'll do a whole video explaining time travel in the future" laughingstock media confirmed for time traveler??
I've heard people talk about a possible 5th timeline. When cell is recounting the different cells in his makeup he mentions a future trunks from his timeline that managed to beat frieza & KC but they didn't need more saiyan dna from him. This is weird because it should have been goku beating them in cell's timeline and it kinda brings into question how that timeline turned out so bad. It's likely a plothole, but technically it would make this "timeline 5" where this random version of trunks is from the true "original timeline".
DB wiki says that this version of trunks also gave goku the heart virus and then likely fought alongside them against the androids and died or returned back to his own future and died to his androids. Either way, shit's dark
Dude thats a anime plot hole
I'll make a video soon on how it all went down.
One could say the “5th” timeline is where no one ever time travelled ever. Just like the universe 12 has 2 timelines at once, the moment future trunks went off and created a branch timeline in his present, there exists the real og timeline where trunks was most likely killed by the androids and then cell absorbed them making him perfect cell.
So the “5th” timeline or the real original timeline would be where the perfect cell resides.
@shaheer1172 This is a lot so bear with me. After about a month of research, this is what I've learned about the timelines:
I believe the Universe 12 time traveler is responsible for Bulma inventing time travel in the 2nd timeline, because the history of Universe 7 in the first timeline doesn't correlate with the history of the 2nd timeline.
It all started with the original timeline that was introduced in Super, when Gowasu talks about the Universe 12 time traveler who successfully does so for the first time. The U12 time traveler created the 2nd timeline, which is the timeline Cell kills Trunks. I believe you're right in that no one from Universe 7 time travels in this timeline. Otherwise, there would be another time ring in DBS. This implies that the Universe 12 time traveler may have spread the knowledge of time travel throughout the multiverse, and because he's the first to time travel, he doesn't know how the effects of changing history work, so he goes back to the first timeline after spreading the "seeds" of time travel and just chills, I guess. This altering of history may have been enough to prevent himself from inventing time travel in the subsequent timelines, which is why he's only brought up once, because he's only relevant to one timeline's creation.
At any rate, his influence caused Universe 7's history to change. So much so that not only does Bulma create a successful time machine, but Cell also ambushes and kills Trunks after Trunks killed the Androids(how that was done is a whole other discussion). Cell then goes back in time and creates the third timeline, the Future Trunks timeline.
There's some interesting differences between the Future Trunks timeline(3rd) and the second timeline that shouldn't be happening. For example, Android 17 and 18 destroy Dr. Gero and Cell inside of Gero's lab's basement. However, in the second and canon timeline(4th), Gero dies in the upper level of the lab. Something directly affected Gero in such a way that he activated the Androids early. In his death scene in the Future Timeline, he's overworked and veiny in the eyes, so he's obviously motivated by something. I believe that Future Gero was affected by Cell from the second timeline traveling back to the past.
As we know, time travel is shown to change the weather. If Gero's on break in his lab, he's got plenty of space to witness the weather instantly change. This would probably freak him the hell out, and it would show him that there are greater technologies and forces at play, which is enough motivation to work night and day on his ultimate creation. So much so that he even brags about it to 17 and 18 before dying in the lab's basement...
Then, after a while, Future Trunks creates the 4th timeline by going back to the past and confronting Mecha Freeza and Cold. By going to the past, Future Trunks actually duplicated the Cell from the second timeline, because up until we see Future Trunks, we're actually _watching_ the Future Timeline(3rd), therefore Cell from the 2nd timeline has to come to the past around the time everyone left for Namek, because he went back 4 years before the Androids versus Future Trunks who went back 3.
This goes back to be "other discussion" I was talking about. Why does Trunks from the second timeline decide to go back 4 years whereas Future Trunks from the 3rd timeline goes back 3 years??
It's a little headcanon, admittedly, but I believe Mr. Popo fought the Androids and was holding his ground, and second timeline Trunks senses this and flies to the scene. By the time he gets there, Mr. Popo is defeated, but perhaps not dead. He tells Trunks about the Time Chamber, and in a day or two Trunks becomes powerful enough to destroy the Androids.
However, because of the differences between the 2nd and 3rd timeline, it's reasonable to say Future Trunks would prioritize going back in time instead of seeing who's fighting the Androids, considering these are the only Androids who killed Gero _and_ Cell, so their confidence and assholery is way beyond the 2nd and 4th timeline versions.
If I need to clear anything up just let me know.
Wait A minute I completely forgot about cells, timeline why didn’t they send future trunks to that timeline that we never saw instead of the timeline where he was sent and now he’s just a duplicate it would’ve made way more sense to have sent him to a timeline where he had already died.
I think how the kakarot history of trunks dlc also has trunks deal with the dabora and babidi and that stuff is how I choose to think that happens in his timeline. It was a neat little non canon part that I thought really worked.
Apparently, everything in that game is Canon.
I believe cell had human dna from krillin and tien. Krillin and Tien were 2 of the strongest beings on earth with both being stronger than vegeta was when his dna was first gathered (which was the saiyan saga) during the time frieza’s and cold’s dna was gathered. It just strength wise would make more sense. I also think the trunks from the timeline cell is from had a remote and hadn’t trained because if he had trained cell would not have been as dismissive of vegeta grade 2. He would have known this as the power trunks possessed as he could sense and had been watching trunks he killed.
Tenshinhan no doubt as he is the strongest human. Future Gohan & Nappa possibly as Cell mentioned he had enough saiyan DNA. Goku & Vegeta ain't enough.
also keep in mind that cell had their techniques and fighting tactics as well given how cell was able to use solar flare and destructo disc
but the thing is the dragon ball wiki says in the original timeline a trunks from an unknown timeline came and killed frieze not goku but that doesnt make sense then that would mean the original timeline isnt original so the dragon ball wiki is definetly wrong abt tht
Every time someone made a new timeline, Gero added another sub-basement lab to build another set of androids.
The Dragon balls cannot wish anyone back that died over a year beforehand. None of the characters could be wished back, and that is something that's never been retconned by any of the Dragon balls as far as I can remember including the namekian ones.
Original Timeline = Future Timeline
[all of them are gone except Trunks]
Cell's Timeline = Future Timeline
[Androids has been destroyed by Trunks, Trunks has been killed]
Goku's Timeline = Current Timeline
[Everyone's alive and well]
If I'm not mistaken, Cell set the time machine for a few years earlier because he had to revert into an egg to fit inside the time machine, and those years would allow him to evolve back to his full body right around the time where the Androids were created/activated.
The timelines are in fact much easier to explain:
TM1 - Goku dies from the heart disease, the androids kill the Z fighters except for Gohan and Trunks, Gohan eventually dies fighting the androids, future Trunks travels twice to the past, first to give Goku the medicine (in TM3), then to help the Z fighters against the androids (again in TM3), then returns to the future to kill the androids and Cell.
TM2 - Very similar to TM1, except that the androids were killed by Gohan and/or Trunks in this timeline, so Cell killed Trunks so he can use his time machine to travel to the past (in TM3).
TM3 - exactly how we saw in the anime: Trunks arrives from TM1 to give Goku the medicine, and Cell arrives from TM2 a few years earlier to evolve from egg to humanoid, right around the time where the androids were activated.
well cell said all he had to do was press a button
he didn't change anything
the real question is why the hell did trunks wanna go back further? lmao
@@blessedxxiii8908 Definitely a translation error or someone messed up the dates, I'm not exactly sure how this is explained in the original manga. But it's still fixable though: "Dead" Trunks was traveling to a different timeline than "alive" Trunks", so events probably occurred at different dates. Maybe the past timeline that "dead Trunks" visited had cyborgs 4 years earlier than the timeline we watched in the show. Just guessing, as everyone has a different opinion regarding timelines and time travel.
NGL, I actually need a graph explaining how the timelines branch and when do characters go back and so on, becouse I didn't know the time traveling shennanigans had this much complexity.
Db time travel is a bitch.
- Basically cell’s timeline is the original. The trunks of that timeline went to the past to get the remote to deactivate the androids, met the z fighters and warned them about the androids (that becomes the unseen timeline). Trunks travels back to his future, deactivates the androids and gets ready to go back to tell that to the z fighters. Cell ambushes him, kills him, steals the Time Machine and travels to the distant past (further back than trunks originally traveled thus creating a new timeline)
- cell creates the future trunks timeline by doing this. So the trunks of that future comes back and that’s the one that we see, he creates the main timeline. At this point we have four timelines - cell’s (original), unseen (created by trunks when he went back), future trunks (created by cell when he went further back), and present (created by trunks).
Super is where it gets kind of confusing. Basically the main timeline is where zamasu originally steals Goku’s body and kills him, then future trunks travels back again and creates a new main timeline where Goku survives (and the story continues). Then Zeno erases the future timeline, and at the end of the arc Whis takes Mai and trunks to a point in the future timeline before babidi and dabura show up (since Beerus and shin would still be alive), future Beerus deals with zamasu and the future is spared (until Moro shows up or something else happens).
So that leaves us with like what, 6 timelines total with one erased…? It’s a lot lol
Mike you should On ironically cover how the legend of Zelda timeline works in lol.
I swear I already watched this one.
Then you must be from the future because I've never made this video until now.
So uh I remember Super had like 5 or 6 rings for the timelines. So 1: OG timeline, 2: timeline og timeline trunks saved, 3: main timeline and 4: trunks timeline ver 2 which gets erased later, 5: GT timeline? Since this is at a moment when they claimed there was no new time rings that had appeared unless it was still somehow the timeline Zamasu created by stealing Goku's body and travelling to future. So that's like 5 or 6 canon timelines and then there is Trunks timeline version 3 that Whis created. Including that its 6-7 canon timelines. I dun remember if they added a 7th ring to the box or a 6th. If 6th that would mean after all that GT ain't canon whatsoever.
15:50 He Didint Traveled To Cell-TimeLine Because Beerus Was Still Alive, Opposed To Trunks-TimeLine Where Shin Was Died During The Battle Against Babidi And Dabura
7:06
Right here is where I was always lost as a kid lol. I just gave up and started running with it at this point. I still don't FULLY grasp this part of DBZ time travel 7:41
You should do a what if with Majin Androids. With no Z-Fighters left, Babidi would have to control 17 & 18 and use their infinite energy to slowly power Buu's sphere.
I had thought about this at one point but didn't think about it again until I started seeing videos of that "original" timeline. As far as the question of what happened after "original" timeline - Bulma contacting the new planet Namek? Unlikely. That timeline is actually depressing to think about lol. The end of Cell is the spiritual ending for me, so I don't even entertain the other ideas. My only thought is that Bulma just took whoever was alive and rebuilt.
one question, i don't know if you already talk about, but majinbu in the original timeline? we don't have any info about it (leaving the fact that majinbu was created later by toryama))
Babidi wouldn’t have enough people to gather energy from in the original timeline. I’m guessing buu hatches much, much later in that timeline if at all
good analyze there. here is my thoughts..
since the arrival of future Trunks, it's also open up the other timelines, the timelines we never see, like the original timeline of Cell.
how future Trunks able to defeated the Androids? the same way He defeated them as shown in the show after He going back to His timeline after SSJ2 Gohan defeated perfect Cell in the main story.
how Cell able to defeated Trunks in the future if Trunks was much powerful than Cell? life absorbing technique. the same way Android 20 (Dr.Gero) did grabbing and locked Piccolo movements while absorbing Piccolo's life energy even tho' Piccolo is more powerful than Him.
so the future Trunks that being killed by Cell is the same future Trunks that we've been follow throughout the main story.
only this time, Trunks got the story explanation by Piccolo about how Cell killed Him in the future.
the show then show us how Trunks aware (this time, thanks to Piccolo) of Cell lurking behind Him ready to catch His guard.
but that's left a plot hole there...
the future Trunks who got killed by Cell was already set the time machine 1 year before the arrival of future Trunks in the main story.
is it an error writing by Akira? or Akira did it on purpose? if He did it on purpose and full aware then it's like I said in the very beginning. THERE IS ANOTHER TIMELINE. PROBABLY LIMITLESS TIMELINES
Ironically Cell's Timeline is the most peaceful timeline. Frieza is dead. The heroes are dead. Trunks is killed by Cell. Cell leaves to a time before trunks was supposed to give the Z fighters the shut down switch Blueprints. There are no high power levels to check for on Earth to revive Fat Buu. I'm pretty sure the multiverse is safe since there is no reason for Zamasu to start project Zero Mortals. Sure universe 7 at some point or another will probably get wrecked by someone behind the scenes unless Yajirobe and Mai can talk to Bulma to find a way to contact New Namek to use their Dragon Balls. But there is only a slim chance that someone in universe 7 can cause enough problems to get the attention of the Kais in the first place. At least the heroes who died in battle can ask King Kai to check on things by using his powers at least once a week or month for every year. I mean come on don't heroes who die in battle get the privilege to train and speak to King Kai but can also check on the state of Universe 7?
You’re right, to a point. Moro will probably break out at some point and run riot, Earth will just be another planet he absorbs. Also in the manga, Zeno is about to erase all but four universes due to their low rank but doesn’t bc Goku reminds him of the ToP just in time. So even if Moro doesn’t break out, Zeno would probably erase the universe anyway since there is no Goku to suggest the ToP.
Can you do a video since you use the manga as your source more than the anime, of is SSJ2 teen Gohan was actually stronger than super perfect cell.
Lovely
I'm a little confused. I would really like your video explaining all the time lines and all the versions of Cell and Trunks. I've seen others' videos on this subject, but they still weren't very clear. A diagram showing all the versions of both of them would really help to clear this all up once and for all.
Db time travel is a bitch.
- Basically cell’s timeline is the original. The trunks of that timeline went to the past to get the remote to deactivate the androids, met the z fighters and warned them about the androids (that becomes the unseen timeline). Trunks travels back to his future, deactivates the androids and gets ready to go back to tell that to the z fighters. Cell ambushes him, kills him, steals the Time Machine and travels to the distant past (further back than trunks originally traveled thus creating a new timeline)
- cell creates the future trunks timeline by doing this. So the trunks of that future comes back and that’s the one that we see, he creates the main timeline. At this point we have four timelines - cell’s (original), unseen (created by trunks when he went back), future trunks (created by cell when he went further back), and present (created by trunks).
Super is where it gets kind of confusing. Basically the main timeline is where zamasu originally steals Goku’s body and kills him, then future trunks travels back again and creates a new main timeline where Goku survives (and the story continues). Then Zeno erases the future timeline, and at the end of the arc Whis takes Mai and trunks to a point in the future timeline before babidi and dabura show up (since Beerus and shin would still be alive), future Beerus deals with zamasu and the future is spared (until Moro shows up or something else happens).
So that leaves us with like what, 6 timelines total with one erased…? It’s a lot lol
@@ssj6jose that can't be right though. If Cell creates the Future Trunks timeline, then wouldn't he have finished molting around the same time the androids appear without warning and then absorbed them and killed everyone? How would the time machine have been invented? Even if Bulma and Trunks survived all this and the time machine was still invented ultimately, he would have known all about Cell already when he came back to the TV series timeline to warn the Z fighters. There's either a plot hole here or something is missing. Maybe something happened to Cell during the molting process in the Future Trunks timeline and he never came to be?
Base form cell was such a bad ass and intimidating character.
Technically That Isnt The "Original TimeLine" But The One That Gowazu/Zamazu Mentions Since It Predates The Cell TineLine By Almost 1000 Years
I saw a Video in Englisch Idk if it was yours , i noticed that in the american Version people are confused why cell went 1 year early back in time in germany it was not like that if i Remember correctly cell explained that he needed time to re grow back from his small Form, so he himself set the time to one year before Trunks arrived
I really need to know if before Super. Where there just 4 timelines, or 5.
For the longest Time I thought there were just 4 timelines. Main, Cell, Unseen, and trunks. But recently I've seen some people come out with a 5 timeline theory. (I think Plague of Gripes was one of the guys with a 5 timeline theory but I've seen others.) So, which is it. And what's the main difference between 5 timeline theory and 4 timeline theory.
Db time travel is a bitch.
- Basically cell’s timeline is the original. The trunks of that timeline went to the past to get the remote to deactivate the androids, met the z fighters and warned them about the androids (that becomes the unseen timeline). Trunks travels back to his future, deactivates the androids and gets ready to go back to tell that to the z fighters. Cell ambushes him, kills him, steals the Time Machine and travels to the distant past (further back than trunks originally traveled thus creating a new timeline)
- cell creates the future trunks timeline by doing this. So the trunks of that future comes back and that’s the one that we see, he creates the main timeline. At this point we have four timelines - cell’s (original), unseen (created by trunks when he went back), future trunks (created by cell when he went further back), and present (created by trunks).
Super is where it gets kind of confusing. Basically the main timeline is where zamasu originally steals Goku’s body and kills him, then future trunks travels back again and creates a new main timeline where Goku survives (and the story continues). Then Zeno erases the future timeline, and at the end of the arc Whis takes Mai and trunks to a point in the future timeline before babidi and dabura show up (since Beerus and shin would still be alive), future Beerus deals with zamasu and the future is spared (until Moro shows up or something else happens).
So that leaves us with like what, 6 timelines total with one erased…? It’s a lot lol
So to answer your question, in the anime it’s 4 at the start of super. However, in the manga it’s 5 because somebody from universe 12 had a Time Machine and traveled back in time, creating a new timeline. This is a manga only thing
There are 5 timelines in my estimation: (1) the Main (2) Future Cell's(the original) (3)the timeline Future Trunks originated from, (4) the only other timeline where Goku was still alive(the one Zamasu went to in order to steal Goku's body) (5) the timeline Future Trunks and Mai was allowed to go to at the end of the Black Goku Arc.
@@decepticonxhunter4850 there is no need for estimations. The box with the time rings literally has six rings at the end of the arc when gowasu closes it, you forgot the unseen timeline. In the manga and only the manga, there is an additional timeline that was created by universe 12.
i like to believe bulma went to new namek and revived everyone
What happen to the orginal timeline, mrPopo (mr.dumpling) is what happen.
He went to alpha timeline after it's destruction, claimed the empty throne of zeno and established the pecking order. From there mrPopo went back to beguining of the alpha timeline to in force his pecking order. To this end Pecking Order has became the pillers of Dragon ball timelines and multiverse replacing the balance between creation and destruction thus strengthing dragon ball's fabric of space and time.
Sorry for the question, but is there a canonical explanation on why Dr. Gero’s computer created Cell in his imperfect form instead of just creating perfect Cell?
No explanation but my guess is it would probably take the computer much much longer to create perfect cell from scratch.
@@ssj6jose That makes perfect sense (no pun intended)
So Gero built the androids to hunt down Goku. But with Goku dead, Gohan is the next best choice for his revenge. But the Androids went rogue and killed him and wanted to turn Earth into their playground since they were completely free to do whatever they wanted. What if there was a timeline where the Androids killed Trunks? Then Cell Absorbs them? Cell could replace Frieza as Beerus' destroyer candidate since he had Frieza do his job for him while he slept. And if Cell refuses, he gets Hakai'd.
Please make that time travel explained video. Use simple pictures too because I cannot comprehend this with my caveman brain.
Never understood how gero wouldve added trunks' dna to cell when cell comes from the original timeline where trunks never went back
All timelines except the main one are doomed. Either buu awakens and runs riot, or Moro breaks out of prison and goes planet hopping, or Zeno decides there are too many universes like in the manga and wipes out the lower ranked ones.
Or beerus erases them both via hakai and deals with the threat.
The whole concept and overall vibe of time travel is so dark, sad and serious..
This entire arc was easily the best of DBZ
They should have a cell come back from another dimension and finding a doctor to give him upgrades..
Do you think that the unnamed timeline could be the gt timeline with movie goku?
When they defeated cell in the main timeline, when they made the wish for everyone who was killed by cell (original cell) does the original trunks came back as well or does the wish only implies to its own timeline?
The wish only happens in its own timeline.
Own timeline, the earth dragon balls aren’t that powerful lol. Super dragon ball wishes could probably traverse timelines though
Maybe he did come back. Trunks was revived & he was from an alternate reality. Cell being from an alternate reality didn't stop the wish from being granted.
Finally … a lot of confusion about this topic especailly with newer fans
Trunks didn’t go super Sayian until after Gohan died
Cell saga is the epitome of "Dont think about it"
Its actually terribly written but the highs are so high that people give it a pass
I wish there was a cannon part where he dyed his hair purple to help hide his identity instead of it just being an error
Would the other z fighters get the option to train in the after life, goku only got the option because of king kai 🤔
I always considered this an alternate timeline IMO not the original, something like a multiverse
So what happened to the timeline that dead Trunks visited and got the shut down device from?