There's A Pretty Big Efficiency Difference With Lucid Air Rolling On 19" vs 21" Wheels
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 8 ต.ค. 2022
- Kyle just threw on a set of 21" wheels on the Lucid Air Grand Touring we're testing for some upcoming performance tests and set up this little efficiency comparison of the 19" wheels vs the 21" upgraded set.
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How much of the efficiency difference is due to tire type (LRR all-season vs summer UHP) rather than wheel size?
Quite a bit, we imagine. We are just comparing the factory wheel / tire package not separating out the tire from the wheel
@@OutofSpecReviews Thank you for the video, well done as usual!
Interesting point
@@OutofSpecReviews since the P Zeros were factory fresh tread, would that help explain the lower than expected efficiency?
Got my Lucid with 19s and can't understand why anyone thinks bigger wheels and tires look better? I've seen cars side by side with different tires and struggle to see any relevant differences. I dropped my MX90D to squared 19s and everything improved (ride, range, tire life etc). My EQS has 20" and I'm glad it didn't come with 21s or 22s. Thanks for the reviews, but I'll take range and ride comfort every time.
In a state with bad roads (PA) 22's are a great way to have a series of flat tires for the life of the car.
I completely agree! I love the 19s and they’re so easy to clean as well. Huge wheels is like having a Diamond encrusted Rolex, just give me a regular submariner please.
Mine is on order with the 19” wheels. Ride comfort and efficiency all the way.
Lucid and EQS… 😳 I'm glad somebody could afford both. I test drove both and even though tech spec might be better in Lucid, the interior of EQS is just way too nicer.
it's less that the 21 inches look better because it's bigger and more because the 21s fills in the gap way better which makes it look planted and less like its tiptoeing.
Personally I think the 19s look fine and the difference in range/efficiency and ride quality is more important to me. I’m not a big wheel fan because it mainly just leads to more expensive tire replacement, more likely to damage a wheel/tire if you hit a pot hole, worse ride quality, worse efficiency, etc. I think the sweet spot here would be sticking with a 19” wheel but maybe going for something a little more stylish, or even making the aero wheels with a removable aero cover (like Tesla).
Ordered mine with 19. I'm sticking to those 19s.
There's always (the same) trade-off of mileage and performance when you change wheel and tire sizes. Among other things, everything else aside, low profile tires will ride harsher, give better performance, and need expensive wheel replacement when you hit potholes that a higher profile tire would safely pass over.
The limited choices in tires and wheels apply to most cars. Same way that an M+S rated genuine snow tire will always be different from summer slicks, wet or dry, rain or snow.
I have to say if I could afford the car, I would not get the 21". I actually like how the 19" ones look.
Main disadvantage of the 19s is traction when pushed hard. The main disadvantage of the 21s is "Summer Performance" tires that will have poor winter grip. More aftermarket wheel and tire options are likely to become available in future years.
If you can afford one of those cars, having 2 sets of wheels should be nothing to worry about.
Unless you "couldn't" but have enough for loan payments and are okay to eat instant noodles for the rest of the year.
@@privettoli Like the people who sell their house to buy a Tesla and live in it? lol I've seen that.
Why would you buy two sets of wheels? If it's not for different seasons, like summer and winter
370 miles without a break would be way too much for me. However for those charger deserts that range could come in handy. Nice work.
We have gone for over 600 miles without stopping before. 370 is nothing. I can go for about 700+ miles with my F-150.
@@jackylsmith8138 That can't be safe. That means you were behind the wheel for 8-10 hours straight?
@@jackylsmith8138 How do you go that long without going to the bathroom?
I'd choose the 19's every time over the 21's. I honestly don't mind the look of the 19" wheels, they look fine to me, but the range increase plus ride comfort is substantial enough to IMHO make them the absolute best choice here.
My Lucid Air arrives in a month and it has 19” wheels for range and comfort. I’ll take the compromise on style to improve these factors.
I chose 19” on a new Tesla model S for a better ride & range because several owners said 21’s were awful.
I also chose 19’s on Lucid because EV naysayers always ask how short is my range. 19’s allow me to boast longer range than their ice vehicle.
Excellent test. Well controlled and scientifically done.
Range is still king and in our situation we need max range. With the 21’s you’re basically removing the buffer when charging to 80%. In other words with the 19’s you could still reach far destinations at 80% SOC but will have to charge to 100% with the 21’s going the same distance. It’s a big deal. The range is what sold us if not we would have just went with a Model S long range and saved $35k.
I miss 18 in and smaller wheels on cars, my 1964 el camino has 14's/15's so smooth.
Would love to see a comparison on the model 3 18s vs 19s.
6:25 Time Stamp. The 19" look just fine:
Please figure out a way to run this test on the Fisker Ocean One for their 20" and 22" wheels!
Curious about the 20’s as well.
Also curious as to what you would purchase in my scenario. I have a 152mi one-way trip to work, where the car will seat for 3-4 days outside, before coming back and driving back home 152 miles. I currently have a LR model 3 that I have to charge on the way back. I have an order for the Touring Air on 20’s.
I’m also considering model S/X,
And Rivian R1S.
I like the convenience of charging in the Tesla and am familiar with their products, but curious in my scenario what you would pick. Thanks!
What’s this thing (obsession) you have with wheels? Don’t you remember from kindergarten that the “Wheels on the bus [or car] go ‘round and ‘round”? That’s all they need to do! Who is to say that one style looks better than another? To me, if one style gets me 60 miles more per charge, that is a beautiful wheel!
Getting my Lucid GT by the end of this month and I kind of regret and not regret getting the 21” at the same time because it kills my range, but it looks much nicer than the 19”. If the 19” had a better design, I probably would’ve chosen that
Kyle, for you 50% efficiency test I do think you can improve the technique a bit by taking tips from Chris in Germany with the Battery Life channel. He also does a similar test if you return the charge is the car back to 50% again to get the killer reported by the chargers, deals with possible inaccuracies in with the car reports. Of course he de-rates the value by I believe 8% for charging losses. He has this data on numerous vehicles in a Google sheet.
@out of Spec Reviews nice job as always. When are you reviewing the Cadillac Lyriq? Looking forward to your review, even though you are not a fan of GM in general. Viewers would love to see your unbiased review. Cheers.
Lightspeed wheels makes monoblock forged magnesium 19X8.5” that weigh 14.0lbs. That’s 12lbs per wheel lighter than the stock aero 19”. Should see 40-50 more miles of range but they cost $11.5k for 4 19” wheels.
Can you use a decibel meter to measure difference in noise between the wheels?
I think maybe best to find a pair of 19's that are very light and that you like the look of.. and go with those. For me.. Pot hole damage and rough ride are a big issue against huge wheels..
what would a set of moon caps do for efficiency? Is the lower number down to the design of the rim or the fatter width?
When is the chevy bolt euv hogback challenge video coming? Also, what about reviewing a Cadillac Lyriq?
Your the guy that knows all about different electric vehicles out there? I’m paralyzed T6-T7 so I can drive from my power chair. My current vehicle is Yukon the conversion kit is AT Conversion. I’m wanting a electric vehicle here in the near future. You know of a vehicle that would be able convert so I could drive?
What was the weight difference between the two sets of tires?
Will you test the 20” wheels?
I like the look of the 20" wheels much better than these 21" ones. I wonder if it makes a difference in performance or ride.
Can you try eco vs sport mode for range testing ?
Could only imagine what the range would be if you have the 21 inch Taycan tires with 305mm in rear 😮
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I really don't think the 19s look bad, if anything the 21s look too big on that car, guess it comes down to personal preference
Those 21's would be destroyed on the potholes we have around here.
Indeed, i much prefer the 19s, both in looks and practicality. 21s are noisier, less comfortable and more maintenance.
The 19” are over a full 0.1 off the quarter mile ET and 2 mph more trap speed on the plaid. I’d imagine similar performance increase with the 19”s on the Lucid.
i wonder how far can it go with carbon fiber 19" wheels?
Wow TH-cam! A commercial every three minutes? Not cool. Kyle, great video though!
I did a 25 mile loop around the 440 beltway in Raleigh NC with my 2022 Tesla Model 3 Performance. I started and stopped in the same place and I had a GPS measured 60 mph average speed.
With the 20” Uberturbine wheels I did 247 Wh/mi and with 18” wheels I did 223 Wh/mi. That is a 10% reduction in range.
I ordered mine with 21s. I figured if I needed the range, I can buy the 19s separately for less than I could buy the 21s separately.
That’s exactly what I did.
I hope you are ready for some serious software nightmare.
Me too. got mine in March. Happy as a clam.
@@Miata822 how do you cope with the Software issues?
@@whynotstartusingyourbrain8726 The software fundamental to the operation of the car (motor calibration, suspension, traction control, stability control, ABS) has been faultless. BMS/Charging is great.
The adaptive cruise is a joy to use, especially in stop and go. Cross traffic and automatic emergency braking (yes, I tested it in a controlled environment) works well. The lane assist is functional but clunky but that should go away with lane centering update.
Several nav updates, including satellite view, are much improved and actually useful. Audio works well on Bluetooth, radio, and Tidal is great. Auto wipers work well. I never use auto-High Beam. The app is pretty basic but functions well.
The lock/unlock with the key/remote can be quirky when the battery gets low, which it does too quickly. Sometimes the center screens are still slow to boot up, but that is less common than when I got the car in March. In any case the car can be driven immediately w/o waiting for the infotainment screens.
So, in general I don't have a problem with the software. It is still clearly a work in progress, but I have seen progress since I got the car just over 6 months ago. I love driving and love to travel, often travel to good roads just to drive them. I'm in the DFW area and have been to Colorado and the Ozarks, heading back to the Ozarks tomorrow. Almost got the Taycan but the Air is far more comfortable and doesn't give up that much in cornering.
There is no model S that has a range anywhere near what that would be.
I assume that few EV drivers aside from Kyle, Tom [insert Cake "Going the Distance" soundtrack] drive for 5+hours w/o stopping for a bio-break and grabbing a little charge while they're at it. Once a car can reliably break the 300 mile barrier and make the run from Amarillo to Trinidad or other long lonely stretches between chargers, travelling all comes down to charging speed and how pleasant the car is to be in.
For me, I chose the Air GT. I just like its vibe and love its overall performance. Heading from DFW to Little Rock tomorrow to spend the week in the Ozarks. Fun roads and a car able to enjoy them. Will also have a motorcycle there because, well, you have to.
I will take my tablet along to see Kyle's canyon run. I took my Lucid up Poudre a month ago but traffic and construction were pretty awful, then it started to rain. Will be interesting to see how he does.
Hey Kyle, yeh those 21 inch wheels get you "all weak in the thighs" for their eye candy appeal but have you even for a minute moment in time evaluated the durability of those 21'inchers on somewhat marginally maintained roads? How do they fair on roads with potholes & similar defects that are quite challenging to tires with smaller sidewall profiles when compared to 18 or 19 inch wheels with taller sidewall profiles? Some erudite folks might consider the 21 inch wheels compleat with their skinny sidewall tires to be BUTT UGLY especially when their DURABILITY is very questionable.
Maybe I just don't care that much about what other people think, but I'm having trouble seeing why I'd buy bigger tires with worse range and worse ride quality just to have better looks. Large diameter wheels are great for people who are really doing performance driving. But let's be honest, very few of us do that. It's mostly just an aesthetic choice.
Thank goodness 99% of the buyers are not going to be like these car reviewers. 99% of buyers of EV don’t care about the size of tires, they care about range. Range range range. The company with the best range will rule in the long run.
big diff with plaid as well (your range 19" aero vs insideev range 21")
I don't see a difference in appearance.
Perhaps the best solution, if you can't live with the 19" wheels is to go middle of the road and use 20" rather than 21" wheels.
Tom got over 500 miles in his 70 MPH loop test while Kyle got 435 miles on one test with 19 inch wheels (4.0 miles/kWh), perhaps 450 in a second test on 19 inch wheels (between 4.1 and 4.2 miles/kWh) and now 392 miles of range on 21 inch wheels (3.6 miles/kWh). These variations in results are a bit nuts, on the same route in very similar weather. The 21 inch wheels might offer a bit more air resistance, but in general I associate differences in tire range with differences in rolling resistance. And, if I plug the Lucid Air into a calculator measuring air and rolling resistance, I can easily account for these different results with relatively modest differences in the rolling resistance coefficient. Which leads me to suspect that much of the Lucid Air’s remarkable range is based on VERY low rolling resistance 19 inch tires.
It looks like my dad's Buick! How many of these cars are made and what's the quality of the build before they actually get it right?Every other manufacturer has to build a lot of cars before they work out all the bugs? What is the cost of this car and where do you bring it when you have problems? Your comments are always appreciated! Thank you!
Use the internet.
The Lucid is a unique vehicle with unique characteristics. You get it or you don't. It was never an attempt to appeal to, or sell to, everyone. Be thankful we have such a growing diversity of EVs to choose from.
lol I was thinking the same thing... it looks like a old Buick Electra 225.
I would get the 19" wheels.
Very little difference in the appearance of the larger versus the smaller wheels. Rather, having experience the larger wheels on my Tesla model three which has yielded increase danger of grinding the wheels into curbs, bottoming out on potholes, increased noise, reduced range and reduce riding comfort, I see no reason to have these larger wheels and low profile tires which simply say stupid and impractical. There is no way that you’re going to get anywhere near the full cornering potential of these vehicles if you drive extremely fast. You would only see a difference with the larger wheels if you were at a point where the vehicle was near its traction limit which would probably be extremely dangerous if not illegal in those use cases.
I have chosen the 20s. Hopefully they will be available soon.
Kyle Conner got clout
Before you even mentioned the noise I could clearly hear it as you where getting on the highway. Sounds more then just minor.
Differences in filming perhaps. I have both, and it really is very minor.
I have the 21s. It's an extremely quiet and smooth car to be in. Recording equipment level control loves to mess with background sounds.
Are they the wheels, or just wheel covers? If they’re covers, you could just find better looking aftermarket covers.
OK. .This would be an "optimal" test only in the case if you would have the same tires in both sizes .. And then do the testing as I don´t think that the shape and size of the wheel would do so much...
Lol butt ugly range wheels as Kyle said upgrade to the 20 s . but reminds me of a futuristic Buick as far as exterior style . What do you guys think ?
The width is also different. You don't know if the diameter or the width is the efficiency difference
The 19's look better anyway. Can't stand the look of rubber band tires.
The bigger rims look like the 2017 Honda Accord Hybrid wheels. Ha ha ha.
Another way to think about it is on a trip you might spend as much as 15% more time at charging stations.
The 19" wheels look fine to me.
Most drivers charge their cars overnight at home almost exclusively so the amount of time sitting in a charging station would be virtually irrelevant.
People priorities. Making it harder to shift to a sustainable life on earth wasting energy because of looks. Especially as 19 inch is already much larger than cars had 30 years ago.
Instead. Contact the car brands telling them to make good looking cars for 19 inch wheels. Or just prioritise easier to reach sustainable life on earth.
First, cool info.
you could hear the increase in noise for sure. that range hit was disappointing.
leaving the charging station at 50% is not the best thing to do for an efficiency test. The battery will be hot and energy is being wasted to cool it down after disconnecting.
I really enjoy your reviews, your obsession with duplicating your tests. Do I have a gripe? While you endeavor to fill in all the geeky details, brevity of language would be greatly appreciated.
So you do marketing for all the car manufacturers and work hand in hand with them?
I have the 19" wheels on my dual motor polestar 2 and i have averaged 30.8kWh/100mi over 5,000 miles which is 3.25mi/kWh (thats mixed highway/city). On the freeway only, I'll get 27.8kWh/100mi which is 3.6mi/kWh (same as the lucid with 21" wheels). Of course, I can use the $60k I saved by not buying a lucid, to short TSLA and triple my money :-)
All good but maybe buy and hold rivn instead. Shorting anything - even massively overvalued tsla - is just too risky in the crazy world we're living in.
I have performance version PS2 20 inch wheels averaging around 33kwh/100mi, rode around 1000 miles.
@@HenryBabcock I think shorting tsla is a safer bet because betting on an individual stock is risky, but if I short tesla I am actually betting on all EV makers (besides tsla) gowing and decimating teslas sales.
@@homomorphic I guess but that's not usually how the market works. Typically if EVs are up they all go up, down they all go down..
But I do wish you good luck with your trade!
@@HenryBabcock it's true that all ships generally rise, but now it's a fight of who can get supply and the big well established automakers know how to play that game better than tesla and no parts, no sales.
Have to remember the 70mph speed on major highways is purposed toward time efficiency not energy efficiency
Where I live and drive 55 is really the highest speed limit which would lead to dramatically less energy needed, from my calculations it takes 38% less energy to drop to 55 from 70 and would take 62% more energy to make the lucid air go up from 55 to 70
Now this would be awesome to see a test just to see how much energy you would save on your loop going 55 but I know that highway it wouldn't be safe going that slow compared to traffic
Why stop and 21 inches. The bigger is better go to 22s 🤣
The 14% difference in inefficiency is tolerable if one wants better dynamic capability on warm roads and the bling factor of the 21'" wheels. Warm weather performance surely is much better wtih either the 21 ore 20" Lucid wheels. They are dangerous on cold roads, much less slippery ones. Of course, appearance is subjective, but is it necessary to denigrate the apperance of the 19' wheels? To me the 21'" wheels are too flashy as well as having dubious durability given the low aspect ratio tires even on perfectly flat surfaces with extreme cornering where they have been seen to disintegrate. I have 19" wheels on my AGT in part because the 20" are not available now and because no winter compound tires are avaiable for the 21 or 20" wheels. I will order 20" wheels for the warm weather in March through Nov. in NE. By next year I believe that winter compound tires for the AGT should be avaiable for 20" (staggered) wheels that are fitted with Michelin summeor compound tires.
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0:33 What the fuck. That’s not “transparency” that’s just opinion and it’s stupid crude and rude.
Kyle's obsession with big wheels is a big disappointment, in someone that has otherwise produced well-made videos. The idea that one would make real sacrifices in range or energy cost - not for something useful like more passenger or cargo space, but for a teeny tiny cosmetic change that 99% of passerby would not even notice... - sorry, it just leaves me with the impression that Kyle is a very shallow person.
If the vehicle's range is indeed so good that losing 15% of it is simply irrelevant, this means that Lucid made the battery too big, making the car too expensive, and that they should have simply shrunk the battery and lowered the price.
Weird comment and a bit judgemental. Its a test for people that like different options and who cares what someone else likes it's their car.
Can you check out the real battery capacity?