The reason downshifts in corsa mode are so soft is simply because, on track, you want downshifts to be this way in order to avoid lockup in corners. It's not meant to be pretty, but practical.
@@ianjenkins4641 These "X milliseconds" shift times quoted by manufacturers are generally meaningless. They are at most a "best case scenario" of the fastest the gearbox can possibly shift in very ideal conditions (ie only at very specific speeds/load/rpm/gear in the fastest mode when the gearbox oil is at perfect temperature and Saturn is ascending). Anyone who has ever driven any car with these kind of gearboxes knows that most of the time they don't shift that fast, even dual clutch boxes often don't shift that fast - 60 milliseconds is faster than a blink and no matter how smoothly they might try to make the engagement of the clutches it would inevitably result in a hell of a jolt in a decently powerful car at a generous throttle opening. I'm pretty sure these times also refer from the moment the TCU receives the input to shift to the moment the gear is actually engaged and the clutch released, which is not what the driver experiences - as the driver what you care about is how quickly it's all done from the moment you *select* the gear, which is very different because from you pulling the paddle to the signal being processed by the ECU, all the calculations done in regards to whether the shift is allowed at that RPM, whether the traction control will step in etc and the final confirmation being sent to the TCU there is a hell of a lot more than 60ms - this is why cars with these gearboxes often shift noticeably slower with the traction control on. In short it's all marketing BS. Unfortunately there are no figures that can tell you how good a gearbox is to use, the only way to know is to actually test drive it. And many (most?) of these robotized automatic gearboxes which supposedly shift very quickly are really quite rubbish in the real world. The most infamous example is probably BMWs SMG, great on paper and they also quoted something like 60-100ms shift time, absolutely terrible and jerky gearbox in practice that just about ruins perfectly good cars like the E6x M5/M6.
@@ianjenkins4641 but it is ONLY in Corsa mode, above 6000rpm, with fair throttle that you get the fast upshift. Never in Sport. Never in Street. That's not right. What's the point of building a gearbox so fast if it so rarely is?
@@ianjenkins4641 If I get into a car with the "world's fastest gearshift" and I put it into sport mode and give it the big one and change up at 8000rpm I expect it to do a better job than a 20 year old Ferrari 360. 6k is too high a cut off, and limiting it to Corsa mode is daft.
The Aventador in general will always be iconic, I have a deep connection with Lamborghini as a family member worked at Lamborghini London from when it started, I remember when I was 7 going to London crawling all over the cars and starting an Aventador 700-4 roadster that memory will stay with me forever and although all the aventadors have there flaws and quirks they will always for me be the ultimate expression of a V12 and my ultimate supercar!
I have seen a fair few Aventador/Huracan/Gallardo/Murciélagos getting about the Adelaide Hills. I rarely see Ferrari's out there though. But I always give them the thumbs up when I go past in my 987.2 Cayman or NA/NC3 MX5s.
@@ForgetfulFoot It's probably Sam Shahin rotating his collection 😆 Last time I drove the Adel Hills region all the speed limits have been dropped to 80 and 60 with continuous solid white centerlines that go on forever. 😵 Then came across a speed camera on top of The Gorge in the ONLY place one could overtake for the last forever miles. 🤬 SA isn't the best place for a supercar but at least you've seen them!
@@AnyoneSeenMikeHunt Yeah, you may as well give up if you want a fun drive in the hills on the weekend. But if you have a day off during the week you can still have a relatively good time.
@@AnyoneSeenMikeHunt and of course you do realise the only reason that they dropped the speed limit was to raise more revenue. Those roads are perfectly safe at 80k,s
@@allomony4010 Perfectly safe for those that can drive maybe. My experience driving around Adelaide and environs is very few can actually drive. The driving ability of the general motorist there is abysmally poor. The average pleb is dangerous at 60, culpable at 80 and deadly at 100 so I can see why the authorities lowered everything to reflect the limit of user capabilities.
People need to get this “if it ain’t dual clutch it ain’t no good” mentality out of their heads many smg boxes are actually really decent as is Porsches tiptronic and the zf boxes
I think what Jay is saying is that when in cross the upshifts give you that Aventador thump but the downshifts are non-existent. Then when the downshifts are giving the character the upshifts aren’t. I agree that you would want to whole experience when you’re driving an Aventador not one or the other
Good to see you keeping the spirit of the Aventador alive, James. This video maintained your high quality production and informative delivery. As a current Aventador S owner, who previously owned a 2013 Aventador and a manual Murcielago, for me the Aventador S is the best car and best Lamborghini I have ever driven so I don’t think this review is truly representative of what the Aventador S is about. And as an owner who owned an Aston Martin Rapide simultaneously with my 2013 Aventador - I would always take the Aventador for my long trips over those GT cars. I think James, you missed an important point - a Lambo v12 isn’t designed to fit the driving style of anyone who is brave enough to pilot one. The driver must adapt their driving style to it. The Aventador S is so different to the original car that there is no way that driving each car for such a short period of time could highlight that. Is the Aventador S worth £100k more? I thought so and wouldn’t go back to owning a 2013 car. The Aventador S is the rarest of rhe Aventadors apart from the “one offs” and “few offs”. I think you can only really tell what a car is like when you’ve owned it and lived with it for a few years. The Aventador S is the equivalent of the manual LP640 for this generation - overlooked at conception but sought after by connoisseurs. Anyway - keep up the good work.
As much as I agree with the sentiment some cars only reveal their true personality over an extended period of time, the fact is that I rarely have the luxury of that amount of time. Even on many a press launch, you'd be lucky to get more than a few hours with these cars. Of course if you want to leave your S with me for a few weeks I'll happily do a more in depth piece on it :)
@@JayEmmOnCars thanks , James. It’s good you reviewed it. You make a good point about press launches - maybe that’s why owners are the best reviewers! Haha. It’s keeping my car alive in the world of TH-cam and that can’t be a bad thing. Hey, James, you asking to borrow my Aventador S is like Robert Redford asking for Demi Moore in “Indecent Proposal”….but without the mega cash offer! I’ll stay monogamous to my beloved Aventador S. Keep up the great content.
I was always confused about the Corsa downshifts and I took my car in to the dealer to get it checked, thinking it was some sort of a software bug. But as some are pointing out, it’s to prevent upsetting the balance of the car when going at it in the track. I don’t think I’ve ever used Corsa though, always in sport mode
@@keithjackson4985 absolutely, wouldn’t trade it for anything. Not a very usable car of course and I’ve done about 1000 miles (~2000km) in over 3 years of ownership now. But when you’re in the mood, nothing fulfills that craving as well as an Aventador imo. Total drama and theatre. Doesn’t fit anywhere so you have to plan your route and parking at the destination. But the journey there is full of smiles. I previously had a 991.2 Turbo which was a much better “car” in every sense and I drove that about 26000km in 2 years, but it will never amount to the Aventador experience. I’d always strive to have more supercars that I can actually use in the garage, but the Aventador experience is simply unparalleled and irreplaceable.
@@SGFourFiftyR Thank you. I like supercars, I just don't have much desire to own one. I bent the wheel on a 458 loaner years ago, that was expensive. A friend suggested I buy a 911 next, since I really enjoy vehicle connection and feel. I will see? Enjoy that car and stay alert. I appreciate the information.
I drove the Ultimae Roadster for a few days through Italy last week, which was my first proper Aventador experience. I've always loved it dearly (especially looks-wise) but couldn't help feel a bit of a "never meet your heroes" vibe. I hate to admit it, but the STO puts a much bigger smile on my face. That being said: I still think the original LP700-4 looks absolutely amazing.
Thanks mate.... When I hear the words "Lamborghini, pick up speed and lethargic" in the same sentence, it makes me feel pleased, grateful and more appreciative of my M3 and tuned N54 powered Bm.
Corsa is a performance mode. Upshifts are fast, downshifts are smooth. As you want on a track. Sport mode is more of a “Fun” mode. Upshifts are sensible enough to cruise with, downshifts are entertaining.
@@JayEmmOnCars I have an Aventador Svj and my wife HATES the Corsa Upshifts. Sport mode allows us the best of both worlds. Sounds good and it doesn’t feel like she’s being kicked in the head when we are cruising around. It feels great as a driver, but not everyone enjoys it.
@@tomi-auto but if you don't want full bore upshifts in the car even in Corsa, you just lift a bit - or change up below 6000rpm, it's easy enough to avoid it!
@@JayEmmOnCars but in that sense, it’s easy enough to just slap it into Corsa for a few moments and then back again! 🤣 I know what you mean though. I have often thought “I wish ego mode allowed you to pick gearbox settings”. We should get you in my SVJ if you are interested?
The reason many of these cars are black, grey or white is because its owners have a very perticular taste: an often changing one. So they buy it and wrap it in whatever color they find attractive for perticular season. If you do that on a black or white car everything is fine. But if you try to wrap a car that is yellow, red, orange, blue, green etc. you'll often end up with a paint colour breaking thru a foil and ruining the effect.
Knowing someone who owns several Lambo’s he still thinks the Murcielago SV is the best car of theirs just as Audi took over but he has a Diablo too which he says is awesome but unfortunately unreliable. The best Lambo he has is a bright orange Gallardo which I believe is from 2005 or so - he used that his daily. Not seen him in a while so I don’t know what he’s got now but his black Murcielago SV is my personal favourite. Great video and I wish I had the money to own anything by these guys.
Just in time, I have just finished doing a detailed look on Aventador Ultimae, and my neck and shoulder will never recover from being snapped after I tried wedging myself behind the wheel.
I find it a little amusing that I spent five years driving a vehicle with a single clutch automatic transmission and can identify with some of the gear change issues. It was a Vauxhall Vivaro van!🤣
Quality content as always Sir,that machine is greater than the sum of its parts,it has a soul I feel will never be replaced by the EV generation.......ICE among it's greatest iterations,enjoy while still possible.
Ya I've seen a number of people say the same. The SV is right on the money, but I still feel the 2014 anniversario versions are the classiest. I just love the earlier examples.
Nope, definitely not. The SV has an older clutch than the S so even if it would make a difference it would go in favor of the S. The seats are also more comfortable in the S which probably makes a difference to him since he's complaining about a car having personality.
Shifts on single clutch tend to be most influenced by throttle input. So foot to the metal = more aggressive (usually by dint, faster) shifts I find single clutches to be extremely rewarding at maximum application (from early 360s onward). You baby them at other times - but those rewards are worth it.
JM. You’ve made a few comments now about don’t use them in Auto mode. Id be quite keen to watch exactly what happens when you do. Especially the old Ferrari boxes!
On the topic of bold colours, worth mentioning that black is the best base colour if you want to wrap a car, as then when you open doors/boot etc you don't have some other bright colour peeking out.
I would rent this car but for less money I go for the Porsche for a purchase because nobody would take pictures and follow you or ask you questions about your car 😊
Of course I've never been inside of one, but - ...but I think they had a good point at Throttle House about the gear changes.. "it's reloading the Howitzer" Seems supercar-y to me
@@JayEmmOnCars Well, thank you! Your objective yet passioned review of the "fridge cool" DB9 made me pull the trigger to finally buy my verry own and therefore changing my life. Been the best car related channel back in 2016 and ever since! Kind regards from Wilhelmshaven, Germany!
Good timing coming home to this after seeing you at Beaulieu today James. Great to see your Ferrari in action! I spotted you and was about to come and say hello but you had to move your car.
Put a dress on it, charge 2 million for it and you have the new countach The last lambo I liked the look of was the diablo, everything since then has gone all "atomic insect" looking as jay leno would say
Great videos, just recently got into your channel. As a Huracan owner, I really do think it is the better car. I track mine quite aggressively, and it really comes to life on a racetrack. Much easier to live with (I drive mine almost every day during the summer) and the transmission is far better. If you could squeeze the V12 into the Huracan, that would have been the ultimate package
Lamborghini, definitely cool! Loud, gorgeous bodies and somewhat obnoxious styling? Which I love. I can't do Aventador problems though. I like their cars but, with my current location being Michigan with terrible roads, it's just not worth it for me to own something like this. I drive a Supra, and it does just fine. I can beat on it, and not worry about it setting my neighbors hedges afire. Good luck to anyone who owns one. If the Huracans replacement gains a touch more headroom, maybe then I can take a serious look?
I “know” a guy that have a lot of experience with cars, as you do, and have driven all aventadors, even the SVJ. He said that the SV is the best one, but he didn’t explained the reason, it was more an emotional connection. So, I ask you to review an SV next and check if this is accurate
I've a 4C. That also has a carbon fibre tub. Unfortunately, Alfa blew the budget on that. So much they could have done better. Don't really care tho' - it's always a blast to drive
I really wanted a Lamborghini, but at 6’4” they are all undrivable, as are Ferrari 430 and anything earlier. In the end I bought the 599, and it’s brilliant - I love the drive and I can fit in it with plenty of room to spare 👍
My mate had one of these that I had a play in. I agree very underwhelming. His was breathed on as well. Sounded phenomenal. Handling wasn’t great nor were the brakes. Gearbox was awful and not really great even in the corsa modes. They’re not a drivers car. They’re for revving up outside of Harrods. As weird as it sounds, it didn’t exactly feel ‘fast’ either. But I’ve found that with many of the lambos I’ve driven. Disappointing I think is the word.
If an Aventador…any Aventador doesn’t put a smile on your face I don’t know what will… It’s called “car reviewer disease”…all of them eventually catch it All the best to everyone
Shame they never upgraded to DCT. Really sad to hear these were in batman spec, really terrible in the dark lines you cannot see all the lines and curves. Awesome video. Keep up the good work.
If any car makes sense with that transmission it's a Lamborghini. But now that more advanced transmission tuning and technologies are out, they could probably make a pretty similar DCT.
well maybe in 2011 that was true but the aventador has been out for ages now and should have gotten a DCT years ago. especially cars like the svj that are literally for the track
DCT was to big and heavy for the aventador; in the v12 it sits in the midtunnel, between the passengers (same layout since the countach)... they would have had to re-engineer and redesign the whole cockpit. The v10 got the gearbox behind the engine, and could fit it I
I live in London where they are a fairly common sight. They are always covered in an outrageous rap. I think it's the car of choice if you have more money than taste. There is a small stretch of bars and restaurants where you will often find one parked on double yellows causing major issues with the traffic. The SUV has become more common in the last year and seems to be the vehicle of choice for the said tossers. Maybe with age the Aventador will be bought by a different type of person. Till then it is the only car I make a negative judgement on the owners without knowing them.
Fantastic looking car! Loved the engine noise, but the pops & crackles did get annoying. Strange with Audi ownership, so little interior space. Oh to own one! Thanks J! 🙏
…and Sir Jay’s word of the day today isssss????? …”Inexplicably!” Ive counted 7 times? Just bustin balls brother. Greetings from the US! Its bright and early, birds chirpin, 27 degree Miami morning and im starting my day off with your vid! Hey, not sure if you’re at all interested, i actually may be possibly the only one requesting a review like this LoL… but it would be cool to see a vid of my current BMW, the F01/02 750 M-sport. It was a massive departure from its predecessor for sure! The 1st gen Rolls Royce Ghost was based on the F02 which is cool.. well in some aspects. My front bumper was flapping and i lost the side “bumper camera”..$585.00 USD! Why? Because its the same one as the RR! LoL But seriously, theyre brutal monsters actually! 400-450HP, 0-60 in low 4’s, theres also a ECU mod out there that gives it an extra 100hp! Its also basically the same 4.4.L M5 engine just slightly detuned. But that whole time frame is now considered an “ERA”…introduction of “Hot V” engines, styling that has evolved into today, the 7 series, MB S550, XJ, A8, etc. It’s a time in history where all the German MFRS’ came out of a very tough run in the early 2000’s!! …the Bangle Butt 7, the W220, …the point where they were all at their lowest point. Well, what came after was a significant departure from all the Big Saloon MFR’s. But would love to see the F01/02 or a LineUp Comparison? Anyway, im blabbing incoherently because its way too early for me. ❤️ you’ve got a fan in Florida! ☀️
Hanmond said the 2011 one was too safe and apparently they let the bull loose in the future evolutions. But IMO the biggest issue with the car was dumping big money on one then getting beaten by a 12C on the straights. It kinda exposed the V12 Lamborghini as a vanity product rather than a performance tool.
I, for once, don't mind about that. Even though I know a GT2 RS, 650S, and 488 Pista will make a mincemeat out of an Aventador S, every single time I saw one I still went head over heels.
I don't get it, surely Lamborghini could have developed a dual clutch transmission for this (and solved the problems you mentioned) - their parent company was after all putting dual clutch transmissions in even their most humble offerings (Polo, Fabia etc) so surely cost shouldn't have been an issue? Maybe I'm missing something? Enjoy your video's, always honest, keep up the great work. Cheers!
I feel it is a little bit too fast to enjoy on British B-road. I am not saying it can't be judged on such road when you comparing it like for like with other cars, but I think it would come back to it's own on Riviera motorway, or some Italian road where police will stop you for driving too slow.
Same amazing sounding V12, same absolutely TERRIBLE gearbox, no matter how good you make that engine the Aventador-based cars will always fall short thanks to the use of one of the worst gearbox + clutch setups imaginable on such a prestigious class of car. Volkswagen (Lamborghini) really need to get the Gearbox, Clutch, &, Low-Speed Electric-Only Drive absolutely PERFECT with the Aventador replacement that is due to be introduced very soon because if they manage to screw it up again I don't think that it is going to work out for their potential customers in the long-run, particularly when many of the ICE-H & Fully EV alternatives just offer a much smoother experience when it comes to being drivable. And to think that Lamborghini got it so wrong with the Aventador and yet they sourced & used an incredible Paddle-Shift Gearbox on the late model Murcielago GT1 cars.... Seriously Volkswagen/Lamborghini pull yourselves together, you are coming up against stiffer competition in a rapidly changing market and going fully EV-Only is not going to work with your prospective customer base who will no doubt take their money elsewhere if you don't deliver the goods. Amazing video by the way Jay, thanks for covering this tainted but still incredible machine, it is just great to see these cars being driven rather than being stored as "Garage Queen's" where nobody gets to see them or enjoy them. A lot of the experience of owning a Lamborghini is not how you feel, but, it is the reaction's that other people have too such a car and how they feel when they see it & hear it, because being realistic here, most people will NEVER own such a machine but being able to savoir just a few seconds or minutes of enjoyment out of one that someone else owns makes the ownership experience all the more worth it because you get to interact with people who adore these works of art and may sometimes know more about the cars than the actual owner does, dedication to a passion. Take care, and all the best Jay!
I'm a N/A guy, big time, for fun cars. I should love the current Lambo lineup (excluding the VAG Urus obviously), but most of them simply don't speak to me. Far too much of the poser's cars, and the Aventador - to me - is the king of the poser's cars. ..but i do agree with you. Looking at pictures of the original Aventador now, it does it for me lookswise. With all the different versions of Aventador, to me always overshadowed by a gearbox i find embarrassing and a sad interior..but mostly that gearbox, i've forgotten that the original Aventador spoke to me in the looks department. Absolutely solid piece of design. I love that lambo exists, and are out there. But the current lineup isn't for me.
@@cafe405 You should look up what high maintenance means. We're talking taste in cars, not whether I'm high maintenance or not. ..and another help with your comprehension: "but MOST of them simply don't speak to me". "Most" isn't "all" now is it? Nuances are important. If I one day got so stinking wealthy that I could afford an extra car only used for an hour or two, a few times a year, I would consider a STO for that position. ..but only then. Up until that level of rich I would need a car with a broader usability.
"that one of my cameras is going to go WEEEEEEEEEEE straight past me" LMAO that caught me off gaurd i'd love to see reviews on the sv and svj as well. you did a great job on this and explained some of the technical bits way better than I've ever seen!
why would u want a lamborghini to be better? u want it to be crazier. Get a v10 if you want to get in and drive. All aventadors need fire spitting straight pipes and ridiculous bodykits, oetherwise go back to a murcie. The S is too quiet, good basis to start all the modifications
@@JayEmmOnCars I agree. The double clutch seems to be the seperator. But there's something special about a mid engine. That's why I went for a 458. Although f12 and Aventador were tempting, for a bit more money.
Mate, love your videos. But sometimes the hyperbole gets a bit much. To say that the (original) Aventador doesn’t put a smile on your face, Is so hard to believe. Even the most mundane people that have absolutely zero interest in cars, I’ve seen them smile cheek to cheek at the sight of one. Again, great videos. However, a little less cynicism would be appreciated.
Isn’t wanting to have a Lamborghini like wanting to a an astronaut… you dream about it as a child then when you become an adult you realise it would be terrible in reality… but the child inside you still longs for it 🤓
I noticed a fer cars lately in really tasty lush colours and it made the whole car park look dull & grey. Now if you are in England anyway dull & grey is available most of the time - so why get your car that colour? But in a lovely Lambo it seems crazy to do so.
2:43 "You mention Aventador, and people are quick to point out that it used what Lamborghini called an Independent Shifting Rod gearbox, in other words....." .....a stupid flappy-paddle gearbox. =D
The reason downshifts in corsa mode are so soft is simply because, on track, you want downshifts to be this way in order to avoid lockup in corners. It's not meant to be pretty, but practical.
I figured that was part of it, but it does not explain the slow upshift in sport
@@ianjenkins4641 These "X milliseconds" shift times quoted by manufacturers are generally meaningless. They are at most a "best case scenario" of the fastest the gearbox can possibly shift in very ideal conditions (ie only at very specific speeds/load/rpm/gear in the fastest mode when the gearbox oil is at perfect temperature and Saturn is ascending). Anyone who has ever driven any car with these kind of gearboxes knows that most of the time they don't shift that fast, even dual clutch boxes often don't shift that fast - 60 milliseconds is faster than a blink and no matter how smoothly they might try to make the engagement of the clutches it would inevitably result in a hell of a jolt in a decently powerful car at a generous throttle opening.
I'm pretty sure these times also refer from the moment the TCU receives the input to shift to the moment the gear is actually engaged and the clutch released, which is not what the driver experiences - as the driver what you care about is how quickly it's all done from the moment you *select* the gear, which is very different because from you pulling the paddle to the signal being processed by the ECU, all the calculations done in regards to whether the shift is allowed at that RPM, whether the traction control will step in etc and the final confirmation being sent to the TCU there is a hell of a lot more than 60ms - this is why cars with these gearboxes often shift noticeably slower with the traction control on.
In short it's all marketing BS. Unfortunately there are no figures that can tell you how good a gearbox is to use, the only way to know is to actually test drive it. And many (most?) of these robotized automatic gearboxes which supposedly shift very quickly are really quite rubbish in the real world. The most infamous example is probably BMWs SMG, great on paper and they also quoted something like 60-100ms shift time, absolutely terrible and jerky gearbox in practice that just about ruins perfectly good cars like the E6x M5/M6.
@@ianjenkins4641 but it is ONLY in Corsa mode, above 6000rpm, with fair throttle that you get the fast upshift.
Never in Sport. Never in Street. That's not right. What's the point of building a gearbox so fast if it so rarely is?
@@ianjenkins4641 If I get into a car with the "world's fastest gearshift" and I put it into sport mode and give it the big one and change up at 8000rpm I expect it to do a better job than a 20 year old Ferrari 360.
6k is too high a cut off, and limiting it to Corsa mode is daft.
@markyes Well, most Lambo owners after the advent of the Murcielago.
The Aventador in general will always be iconic, I have a deep connection with Lamborghini as a family member worked at Lamborghini London from when it started, I remember when I was 7 going to London crawling all over the cars and starting an Aventador 700-4 roadster that memory will stay with me forever and although all the aventadors have there flaws and quirks they will always for me be the ultimate expression of a V12 and my ultimate supercar!
Nice to see one being driven around in the countryside.
Here in Au I only ever see these type supercars doing 40kph in High St.
I have seen a fair few Aventador/Huracan/Gallardo/Murciélagos getting about the Adelaide Hills.
I rarely see Ferrari's out there though.
But I always give them the thumbs up when I go past in my 987.2 Cayman or NA/NC3 MX5s.
@@ForgetfulFoot It's probably Sam Shahin rotating his collection 😆
Last time I drove the Adel Hills region all the speed limits have been dropped to 80 and 60 with continuous solid white centerlines that go on forever. 😵
Then came across a speed camera on top of The Gorge in the ONLY place one could overtake for the last forever miles. 🤬
SA isn't the best place for a supercar but at least you've seen them!
@@AnyoneSeenMikeHunt Yeah, you may as well give up if you want a fun drive in the hills on the weekend. But if you have a day off during the week you can still have a relatively good time.
@@AnyoneSeenMikeHunt and of course you do realise the only reason that they dropped the speed limit was to raise more revenue. Those roads are perfectly safe at 80k,s
@@allomony4010 Perfectly safe for those that can drive maybe. My experience driving around Adelaide and environs is very few can actually drive. The driving ability of the general motorist there is abysmally poor. The average pleb is dangerous at 60, culpable at 80 and deadly at 100 so I can see why the authorities lowered everything to reflect the limit of user capabilities.
That v12 sound is glorious
The ultimate car for Knightsbridge 🤣
People need to get this “if it ain’t dual clutch it ain’t no good” mentality out of their heads many smg boxes are actually really decent as is Porsches tiptronic and the zf boxes
Also the gearbox choice was deliberate on Lamborghini’s part. The car supposed to shift as rough as it looks and I love that
You must be the first person in history to complement a Porsche Tip. Terrible boxes experience.
It ain't good. Some time you just want to put in D and get from A to B, and it terrible for that.
I think what Jay is saying is that when in cross the upshifts give you that Aventador thump but the downshifts are non-existent. Then when the downshifts are giving the character the upshifts aren’t. I agree that you would want to whole experience when you’re driving an Aventador not one or the other
ZFs are okay. Tiptronics are good for cruising in big Audi. Definitely not for a 911, same for SMGs
Good to see you keeping the spirit of the Aventador alive, James. This video maintained your high quality production and informative delivery.
As a current Aventador S owner, who previously owned a 2013 Aventador and a manual Murcielago, for me the Aventador S is the best car and best Lamborghini I have ever driven so I don’t think this review is truly representative of what the Aventador S is about.
And as an owner who owned an Aston Martin Rapide simultaneously with my 2013 Aventador - I would always take the Aventador for my long trips over those GT cars.
I think James, you missed an important point - a Lambo v12 isn’t designed to fit the driving style of anyone who is brave enough to pilot one. The driver must adapt their driving style to it.
The Aventador S is so different to the original car that there is no way that driving each car for such a short period of time could highlight that.
Is the Aventador S worth £100k more? I thought so and wouldn’t go back to owning a 2013 car. The Aventador S is the rarest of rhe Aventadors apart from the “one offs” and “few offs”.
I think you can only really tell what a car is like when you’ve owned it and lived with it for a few years.
The Aventador S is the equivalent of the manual LP640 for this generation - overlooked at conception but sought after by connoisseurs.
Anyway - keep up the good work.
As much as I agree with the sentiment some cars only reveal their true personality over an extended period of time, the fact is that I rarely have the luxury of that amount of time. Even on many a press launch, you'd be lucky to get more than a few hours with these cars.
Of course if you want to leave your S with me for a few weeks I'll happily do a more in depth piece on it :)
@@JayEmmOnCars thanks , James.
It’s good you reviewed it.
You make a good point about press launches - maybe that’s why owners are the best reviewers! Haha.
It’s keeping my car alive in the world of TH-cam and that can’t be a bad thing.
Hey, James, you asking to borrow my Aventador S is like Robert Redford asking for Demi Moore in “Indecent Proposal”….but without the mega cash offer! I’ll stay monogamous to my beloved Aventador S.
Keep up the great content.
I feel you James, I didn't like the gearbox in my Aventador as well so I just said f%^k it and bought a Bugatti Chiron instead.
I bought 16.
Reasonable decision.
I bought all the versions of Chiron. I use the base model for shopping.
I was always confused about the Corsa downshifts and I took my car in to the dealer to get it checked, thinking it was some sort of a software bug. But as some are pointing out, it’s to prevent upsetting the balance of the car when going at it in the track. I don’t think I’ve ever used Corsa though, always in sport mode
You like the ownership experience?
@@keithjackson4985 absolutely, wouldn’t trade it for anything. Not a very usable car of course and I’ve done about 1000 miles (~2000km) in over 3 years of ownership now. But when you’re in the mood, nothing fulfills that craving as well as an Aventador imo. Total drama and theatre. Doesn’t fit anywhere so you have to plan your route and parking at the destination. But the journey there is full of smiles. I previously had a 991.2 Turbo which was a much better “car” in every sense and I drove that about 26000km in 2 years, but it will never amount to the Aventador experience. I’d always strive to have more supercars that I can actually use in the garage, but the Aventador experience is simply unparalleled and irreplaceable.
@@SGFourFiftyR Thank you. I like supercars, I just don't have much desire to own one. I bent the wheel on a 458 loaner years ago, that was expensive. A friend suggested I buy a 911 next, since I really enjoy vehicle connection and feel. I will see? Enjoy that car and stay alert. I appreciate the information.
@@keithjackson4985 thanks man. Ultimately do what puts a smile on your face, best of luck.
I drove the Ultimae Roadster for a few days through Italy last week, which was my first proper Aventador experience. I've always loved it dearly (especially looks-wise) but couldn't help feel a bit of a "never meet your heroes" vibe. I hate to admit it, but the STO puts a much bigger smile on my face. That being said: I still think the original LP700-4 looks absolutely amazing.
Thanks mate.... When I hear the words "Lamborghini, pick up speed and lethargic" in the same sentence, it makes me feel pleased, grateful and more appreciative of my M3 and tuned N54 powered Bm.
Corsa is a performance mode. Upshifts are fast, downshifts are smooth. As you want on a track.
Sport mode is more of a “Fun” mode. Upshifts are sensible enough to cruise with, downshifts are entertaining.
I don't buy that, I get the smoothing it out on track, but no reason not to allow those shifts in sport
@@JayEmmOnCars I have an Aventador Svj and my wife HATES the Corsa Upshifts. Sport mode allows us the best of both worlds. Sounds good and it doesn’t feel like she’s being kicked in the head when we are cruising around. It feels great as a driver, but not everyone enjoys it.
@@tomi-auto but if you don't want full bore upshifts in the car even in Corsa, you just lift a bit - or change up below 6000rpm, it's easy enough to avoid it!
@@JayEmmOnCars but in that sense, it’s easy enough to just slap it into Corsa for a few moments and then back again! 🤣 I know what you mean though. I have often thought “I wish ego mode allowed you to pick gearbox settings”. We should get you in my SVJ if you are interested?
@@tomi-auto I'd be mad to say no! My email is talk@jayemm.com
The reason many of these cars are black, grey or white is because its owners have a very perticular taste: an often changing one. So they buy it and wrap it in whatever color they find attractive for perticular season. If you do that on a black or white car everything is fine. But if you try to wrap a car that is yellow, red, orange, blue, green etc. you'll often end up with a paint colour breaking thru a foil and ruining the effect.
Yeah I’ve never seen one in red, purple, blue, orange or yellow 😳
Knowing someone who owns several Lambo’s he still thinks the Murcielago SV is the best car of theirs just as Audi took over but he has a Diablo too which he says is awesome but unfortunately unreliable. The best Lambo he has is a bright orange Gallardo which I believe is from 2005 or so - he used that his daily. Not seen him in a while so I don’t know what he’s got now but his black Murcielago SV is my personal favourite. Great video and I wish I had the money to own anything by these guys.
Still, it’s a V12 Lamborghini and what we all want and lust after🤩
Now you must redo the same run in an SVJ, then in an Ultimae plz🙏🏻
Just in time, I have just finished doing a detailed look on Aventador Ultimae, and my neck and shoulder will never recover from being snapped after I tried wedging myself behind the wheel.
I find it a little amusing that I spent five years driving a vehicle with a single clutch automatic transmission and can identify with some of the gear change issues. It was a Vauxhall Vivaro van!🤣
Quality content as always Sir,that machine is greater than the sum of its parts,it has a soul I feel will never be replaced by the EV generation.......ICE among it's greatest iterations,enjoy while still possible.
If I remember correctly, the SV was the one MotorTrend’s Jonny Lieberman falls in love with. The SV is probably the sweet spot
Ya I've seen a number of people say the same. The SV is right on the money, but I still feel the 2014 anniversario versions are the classiest. I just love the earlier examples.
Nope, definitely not. The SV has an older clutch than the S so even if it would make a difference it would go in favor of the S. The seats are also more comfortable in the S which probably makes a difference to him since he's complaining about a car having personality.
I love Lamborghini ❤thank you for this video. Great intro with awesome sound!
If an Aventador can't put a smile on your face... Then there is something probably wrong with your face....
I’d like to thank you for taking the time to speak to me today at Beaulieu. I look forward to cars you mentioned that you will soon be reviewing
Shifts on single clutch tend to be most influenced by throttle input. So foot to the metal = more aggressive (usually by dint, faster) shifts
I find single clutches to be extremely rewarding at maximum application (from early 360s onward). You baby them at other times - but those rewards are worth it.
Dramatic shifts with the F1 aka ISR. Cant imagine muted shifts like in a Huracan for the Aventador.
JM. You’ve made a few comments now about don’t use them in Auto mode. Id be quite keen to watch exactly what happens when you do. Especially the old Ferrari boxes!
Only someone like jayemmm can not be massively blown away by a car like this because he sees past power
Always loved the look of the Aventador SV. Would never own one. Think the Aventador is way to wide.
On the topic of bold colours, worth mentioning that black is the best base colour if you want to wrap a car, as then when you open doors/boot etc you don't have some other bright colour peeking out.
I prefer the looks of the early Aventadors personally.
Sum up of today's episode:
JayEmm terrorizes sleepy villages with a big orange Lamborghini
And failed at reviewing it.
I would rent this car but for less money I go for the Porsche for a purchase because nobody would take pictures and follow you or ask you questions about your car 😊
Of course I've never been inside of one, but -
...but I think they had a good point at Throttle House about the gear changes.. "it's reloading the Howitzer"
Seems supercar-y to me
I am with you on every word. Especially in terms of the subjectivly better looks of the LP-700/4.
Thanks!
@@JayEmmOnCars Well, thank you! Your objective yet passioned review of the "fridge cool" DB9 made me pull the trigger to finally buy my verry own and therefore changing my life. Been the best car related channel back in 2016 and ever since! Kind regards from Wilhelmshaven, Germany!
Danke :)
I also believe the early cars are the best looking design, same as the R8 👍
Good timing coming home to this after seeing you at Beaulieu today James. Great to see your Ferrari in action! I spotted you and was about to come and say hello but you had to move your car.
Put a dress on it, charge 2 million for it and you have the new countach
The last lambo I liked the look of was the diablo, everything since then has gone all "atomic insect" looking as jay leno would say
You see why Jay Kay loves them in music videos
cringe
Great videos, just recently got into your channel. As a Huracan owner, I really do think it is the better car. I track mine quite aggressively, and it really comes to life on a racetrack. Much easier to live with (I drive mine almost every day during the summer) and the transmission is far better. If you could squeeze the V12 into the Huracan, that would have been the ultimate package
In a supercar garage, there has to be a Gintani SV(J)!! Just has to. For looks and sound. Only alternative is a manual lp640 with a fabspeed exhaust.
The two best colors for this one are orange and green 👍. Any chance of reviewing the new Diablo? 🔥
Lamborghini, definitely cool! Loud, gorgeous bodies and somewhat obnoxious styling? Which I love. I can't do Aventador problems though. I like their cars but, with my current location being Michigan with terrible roads, it's just not worth it for me to own something like this. I drive a Supra, and it does just fine. I can beat on it, and not worry about it setting my neighbors hedges afire. Good luck to anyone who owns one. If the Huracans replacement gains a touch more headroom, maybe then I can take a serious look?
I “know” a guy that have a lot of experience with cars, as you do, and have driven all aventadors, even the SVJ. He said that the SV is the best one, but he didn’t explained the reason, it was more an emotional connection. So, I ask you to review an SV next and check if this is accurate
I've a 4C. That also has a carbon fibre tub. Unfortunately, Alfa blew the budget on that. So much they could have done better. Don't really care tho' - it's always a blast to drive
I really wanted a Lamborghini, but at 6’4” they are all undrivable, as are Ferrari 430 and anything earlier. In the end I bought the 599, and it’s brilliant - I love the drive and I can fit in it with plenty of room to spare 👍
At 6ft 5" tall,it almost makes me glad I can only afford my fiesta and not miss out on a lambo☹️
Even though I only ever hear bad things about driving aventadors, a SV roadster is still my all time dream car 😂😂
And that's what it is all about
Amazing machine! I enjoy watching your reviews. Thank you Jay! 🙏🏼
My mate had one of these that I had a play in. I agree very underwhelming. His was breathed on as well. Sounded phenomenal. Handling wasn’t great nor were the brakes. Gearbox was awful and not really great even in the corsa modes.
They’re not a drivers car. They’re for revving up outside of Harrods.
As weird as it sounds, it didn’t exactly feel ‘fast’ either. But I’ve found that with many of the lambos I’ve driven. Disappointing I think is the word.
Seriously like your New Hair Cut and Dry Hair Styling. Now to the video, great as usual. You never disappoint...
Es hat soviel Spaß gemacht, das Auto zu fahren, aber nicht, weil es schnell ist sondern weil es schön ist ❤❤
If an Aventador…any Aventador doesn’t put a smile on your face I don’t know what will…
It’s called “car reviewer disease”…all of them eventually catch it
All the best to everyone
Hope you do the Lambo 4x4 soon. Allegedly, Mason Mount's egg yolk yellow Lambo in Cobham, Surrey today was amazing to look at. But is it any good?
Engine, gearbox and chassis of a Cayenne or RS Q8. What more do you need to hear ?
Shame they never upgraded to DCT. Really sad to hear these were in batman spec, really terrible in the dark lines you cannot see all the lines and curves. Awesome video. Keep up the good work.
I think the main reason they never put a DCT in it is because it simply had no space for it 😅
If any car makes sense with that transmission it's a Lamborghini. But now that more advanced transmission tuning and technologies are out, they could probably make a pretty similar DCT.
I thought it was because there wasn’t a DCT available at the time that could handle the torque
well maybe in 2011 that was true but the aventador has been out for ages now and should have gotten a DCT years ago. especially cars like the svj that are literally for the track
DCT was to big and heavy for the aventador; in the v12 it sits in the midtunnel, between the passengers (same layout since the countach)... they would have had to re-engineer and redesign the whole cockpit. The v10 got the gearbox behind the engine, and could fit it I
I live in London where they are a fairly common sight. They are always covered in an outrageous rap. I think it's the car of choice if you have more money than taste. There is a small stretch of bars and restaurants where you will often find one parked on double yellows causing major issues with the traffic. The SUV has become more common in the last year and seems to be the vehicle of choice for the said tossers. Maybe with age the Aventador will be bought by a different type of person. Till then it is the only car I make a negative judgement on the owners without knowing them.
It’s mostly bought by people who want to be seen and want to be heard. If you like that and you really like driving you get a Ferrari
Love those cars, they’ve got character and the epitome of the Aventador lineup is definitely the SVJ
My absolute favourite car of all time!
Hey Jay !!! Love the S!.. But a very special Car you should get your hands On Should be a Lotus Esprit Sport 300. If it’s even Possible!!
Fantastic looking car! Loved the engine noise, but the pops & crackles did get annoying. Strange with Audi ownership, so little interior space. Oh to own one!
Thanks J! 🙏
Crackles are avoidable, its how u use throttle and drive
Also different modes have different amounts
…and Sir Jay’s word of the day today isssss?????
…”Inexplicably!”
Ive counted 7 times?
Just bustin balls brother. Greetings from the US! Its bright and early, birds chirpin, 27 degree Miami morning and im starting my day off with your vid! Hey, not sure if you’re at all interested, i actually may be possibly the only one requesting a review like this LoL… but it would be cool to see a vid of my current BMW, the F01/02 750 M-sport. It was a massive departure from its predecessor for sure! The 1st gen Rolls Royce Ghost was based on the F02 which is cool.. well in some aspects. My front bumper was flapping and i lost the side “bumper camera”..$585.00 USD! Why? Because its the same one as the RR! LoL But seriously, theyre brutal monsters actually! 400-450HP, 0-60 in low 4’s, theres also a ECU mod out there that gives it an extra 100hp! Its also basically the same 4.4.L M5 engine just slightly detuned. But that whole time frame is now considered an “ERA”…introduction of “Hot V” engines, styling that has evolved into today, the 7 series, MB S550, XJ, A8, etc. It’s a time in history where all the German MFRS’ came out of a very tough run in the early 2000’s!! …the Bangle Butt 7, the W220, …the point where they were all at their lowest point. Well, what came after was a significant departure from all the Big Saloon MFR’s. But would love to see the F01/02 or a LineUp Comparison? Anyway, im blabbing incoherently because its way too early for me.
❤️ you’ve got a fan in Florida! ☀️
What gets me is that Porsche and Lamborghini are owned by the same company, Audi, so why didn’t they use the Porsche PDK here which seems much better?
Is the camera angle or is the engine not symmetrically mounted in the bay?...or the strut braces?
Aventadors have the engine 2cm to the left to make room for the prop shaft for the AWD system.
@@Aron-ru5zk ah thank you!
Can't please everyone.
Hanmond said the 2011 one was too safe and apparently they let the bull loose in the future evolutions.
But IMO the biggest issue with the car was dumping big money on one then getting beaten by a 12C on the straights. It kinda exposed the V12 Lamborghini as a vanity product rather than a performance tool.
I, for once, don't mind about that. Even though I know a GT2 RS, 650S, and 488 Pista will make a mincemeat out of an Aventador S, every single time I saw one I still went head over heels.
Great review 👍😃
You wouldn't think a car like that would need contrived pops and cracks from the exhaust
That front number plate couldn’t be much more illegal.
The cars alright but north Essex is looking great.
The accelerator pedal is from a Mk 5-6 Golf.
For all her faults (any variant) I would still love to have one, especially the SVJ.
The looks and sounds are quite agreeable.
I don't get it, surely Lamborghini could have developed a dual clutch transmission for this (and solved the problems you mentioned) - their parent company was after all putting dual clutch transmissions in even their most humble offerings (Polo, Fabia etc) so surely cost shouldn't have been an issue? Maybe I'm missing something? Enjoy your video's, always honest, keep up the great work. Cheers!
Boy, if a person does not get the "feel" for this car in this video, they are def, dumb and blind. Gorgeous car, tad out of my price range. Thanks.
Who cares about the faults!! It’s a lambo V12 in orange it’s stunning
currently have a 5008 GT diesel auto, sounds smoother than that up or down on the paddles
Countach is timeless, looks like a spaceship still. The aventodor looks nice, but it is no spaceship
I feel it is a little bit too fast to enjoy on British B-road. I am not saying it can't be judged on such road when you comparing it like for like with other cars, but I think it would come back to it's own on Riviera motorway, or some Italian road where police will stop you for driving too slow.
They should've fitted it with a modified version of the veyron's gearbox
An aventador in person has such a presence
A very impractical car
I sometimes daily my ferrari its pretty comfortable
A lambo perhaps not lol
My dream car , maybe youre just not a happy brit 😮😊, u have to much , u dont appreciate it . Can i drive it please ?
I wonder if it s possible to "reverse" the Aventador gearbox into a manual one as done on BMW E46 M3 SMG
Unlikely as no manual Aventador ever existed, so putting in the shift lever etc would be almost impossible
Love your shirts!
Thankyou!
Same amazing sounding V12, same absolutely TERRIBLE gearbox, no matter how good you make that engine the Aventador-based cars will always fall short thanks to the use of one of the worst gearbox + clutch setups imaginable on such a prestigious class of car.
Volkswagen (Lamborghini) really need to get the Gearbox, Clutch, &, Low-Speed Electric-Only Drive absolutely PERFECT with the Aventador replacement that is due to be introduced very soon because if they manage to screw it up again I don't think that it is going to work out for their potential customers in the long-run, particularly when many of the ICE-H & Fully EV alternatives just offer a much smoother experience when it comes to being drivable.
And to think that Lamborghini got it so wrong with the Aventador and yet they sourced & used an incredible Paddle-Shift Gearbox on the late model Murcielago GT1 cars....
Seriously Volkswagen/Lamborghini pull yourselves together, you are coming up against stiffer competition in a rapidly changing market and going fully EV-Only is not going to work with your prospective customer base who will no doubt take their money elsewhere if you don't deliver the goods.
Amazing video by the way Jay, thanks for covering this tainted but still incredible machine, it is just great to see these cars being driven rather than being stored as "Garage Queen's" where nobody gets to see them or enjoy them.
A lot of the experience of owning a Lamborghini is not how you feel, but, it is the reaction's that other people have too such a car and how they feel when they see it & hear it, because being realistic here, most people will NEVER own such a machine but being able to savoir just a few seconds or minutes of enjoyment out of one that someone else owns makes the ownership experience all the more worth it because you get to interact with people who adore these works of art and may sometimes know more about the cars than the actual owner does, dedication to a passion.
Take care, and all the best Jay!
It's amazing the reality of these lambos but we value them so much and they make so much money from a sub-standard product.
If 5 & 7-Series BMWs can have Carbon core than Aventador and similar supercars must have it.
I'm a N/A guy, big time, for fun cars. I should love the current Lambo lineup (excluding the VAG Urus obviously), but most of them simply don't speak to me. Far too much of the poser's cars, and the Aventador - to me - is the king of the poser's cars. ..but i do agree with you. Looking at pictures of the original Aventador now, it does it for me lookswise. With all the different versions of Aventador, to me always overshadowed by a gearbox i find embarrassing and a sad interior..but mostly that gearbox, i've forgotten that the original Aventador spoke to me in the looks department. Absolutely solid piece of design.
I love that lambo exists, and are out there. But the current lineup isn't for me.
The performante and sto versions of the huracan don't do it for you? High maintenance much?!
@@cafe405 You should look up what high maintenance means. We're talking taste in cars, not whether I'm high maintenance or not.
..and another help with your comprehension: "but MOST of them simply don't speak to me". "Most" isn't "all" now is it? Nuances are important.
If I one day got so stinking wealthy that I could afford an extra car only used for an hour or two, a few times a year, I would consider a STO for that position. ..but only then. Up until that level of rich I would need a car with a broader usability.
"that one of my cameras is going to go WEEEEEEEEEEE straight past me" LMAO that caught me off gaurd
i'd love to see reviews on the sv and svj as well. you did a great job on this and explained some of the technical bits way better than I've ever seen!
The Diablo SV is better
Slower
More awkward (especially when you're 6ft 6)
But somehow its ... well .. better!
Aventador owners are not aloud an opinion unless their car is fully straight piped.
Lp700 and SV should have been the only Aventador. The others are trash but svj sounds good straight piped and the gearbox bangs
why would u want a lamborghini to be better? u want it to be crazier. Get a v10 if you want to get in and drive. All aventadors need fire spitting straight pipes and ridiculous bodykits, oetherwise go back to a murcie. The S is too quiet, good basis to start all the modifications
Perhaps it's imperfect perfection.
I'd like to see a vid on a SV, SVJ, Ultimae
Never realised 10k was a small number let alone rare!!!
That oven tandoor is cooking!!
Most negative opinion on aventador/s I've seen. Maybe as an F12 owner, his standards are a lot higher than most.
That is the car the Aventador needs to beat. It's similar power, similar money
@@JayEmmOnCars I agree. The double clutch seems to be the seperator.
But there's something special about a mid engine. That's why I went for a 458. Although f12 and Aventador were tempting, for a bit more money.
Nothing wrong with a well executed single clutch - it's a highlight of the 430 and Lambo can obviously get it right, they just somehow didnt
Mate, love your videos. But sometimes the hyperbole gets a bit much.
To say that the (original) Aventador doesn’t put a smile on your face, Is so hard to believe. Even the most mundane people that have absolutely zero interest in cars, I’ve seen them smile cheek to cheek at the sight of one.
Again, great videos. However, a little less cynicism would be appreciated.
But I drove it, and it didn't put a smile on my face - so what do you want me to do, lie?
Truthsayer !!!! Burn the witch .......
Isn’t wanting to have a Lamborghini like wanting to a an astronaut… you dream about it as a child then when you become an adult you realise it would be terrible in reality… but the child inside you still longs for it 🤓
I noticed a fer cars lately in really tasty lush colours and it made the whole car park look dull & grey. Now if you are in England anyway dull & grey is available most of the time - so why get your car that colour? But in a lovely Lambo it seems crazy to do so.
They made too many. 11465 To be exact.
And i'm just waiting for the price to drop like a rock. Those cars are not rare.
Now the S ? If you test every Single aventador version this series will be 100 episodes 😂😂
Oooh 😮 SV next
2:43 "You mention Aventador, and people are quick to point out that it used what Lamborghini called an Independent Shifting Rod gearbox, in other words....."
.....a stupid flappy-paddle gearbox. =D