Avoid this Mistake in Poker
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- Caller in this hand makes the cardinal mistake in live poker, even though the results of the hand say differently.
The hand referred to at 9:10 (Tiger vs Garrett) and Ts 8s vs 76hh and a min raise is here • KK Faces a $140,000 Pr... at 5 min and 35 seconds into the clip.
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Ouch lol. We need to be shoving turn charging all 2p and sets and maybe some turned straights that have to stack off.
Wrong
I'm sure I lose some value but I think I call the river instead of raising. On a paired board I generally like the call
Lol same. And I guess that's why we're not pros...🤣
@@seankiesling2054 I wish that was my only weakness. Lol.
I think at 1-2 and standard 2-5 it is probably more profitable to call
JTd is a straight flush and so is 65d, so given the board distribution and us holding Qd, his smaller flushes are kinda limited. KJd and KTd certainly in there, although they could occasionally raise the flop. But he cant really have a jack high flush without having the stone cold super nuts. Just thought I’d point that out. I agree it’s tough for him to have a set or 2pair on the flop that doesn’t raise. Very interesting hand
Top set and top 2 sometimes won't raise from in position so I'm not surprised that the set villain had was 99 definitely need to shade a lot of the combos though. River is really tough for sure because it feels like there should be a raise there but as you mention they don't have many flushes so you really can't jam and on the click back maybe you are probably slightly +EV if they only call or fold but if they are a bit fearless on their bluffs I don't know.
My first instinct in the hand would be to jam probably because I don’t want to look like a nit 😅. But you’re right. Assuming the guy isn’t crazy loose pre then he has 2 maybe 3 combos of worse flushes. If that’s all you’re getting called by then it should be a check call and deal with the nit shame if they have KJdd.
The hand I was referring to at 9:10 (Tiger vs Garrett) and Ts 8s vs 76hh and a min raise is here th-cam.com/video/Acv1CqunxXc/w-d-xo.html at 5:35 in.
I like the $1000 C/R on river, but do you fold to all in or are you priced in? Folding seems right but not sure because of potential spazz factor. Thoughts?
two of the flushes that hero normally beats with the nut flush, J10 diamonds and 56 diamonds, actually beat hero, as they make straight flushes. Should this be taken into consideration when we think about whether to raise and try to get called by worse flushes?
absolutely.
I play lower stakes but on paired boards..I just don't see what makes it this far other than a lower flush that bets the river..does a straight or lower flush really raise there then call enough to justify a shove/value bet?
I get leaving value on the table the biggest leak of many players but in this case I just call too.
Bart, the title of this video is "Avoid this mistake" what was the mistake that was made in this hand? Is it that he didn't raise the river?
I hate raising in this situation. The most obvious hand from the flop on is a set. I hate when I have a read and then I don't follow it. The most likely hand my opponent has is a full house. Since that is the most likely hand given the situation, I cannot justify raising in this situation.
This is just wrong. You can’t claim his most likely hand is a set
@@nintendolover82 Why is he betting into the hero on the turn and river with an obvious flush on the board. He raised preflop which would indicate a pair or big cards. he calls or bets out with both a straight and flush on the board and then bets the river when the board pairs. In my experience. this is almost always a strong hand, and even if your opponent only had two pairs, it's still most likely that he made his boat on the river given the action. I don't have a problem with the call on the end. I simply wouldn't raise in this situation.
I disagree. The villain's hand does not look like a flopped set to me. Feels like a straight, a smaller flush, or 9x like A9, J9. or 10 9. To me, the most likely hand that beats the nut flush is 98. Even J10dd or 56dd is likely to raise the flop with that much equity. In any case, there are a lot of hands that the villain can comfortably bet for value on the river that don't beat the nut flush. Absent any other information like the villain is a super nit or has given off some obvious live tell, I think this is a mandatory value own check raise spot. You have to value own yourself sometimes. If you're not, it's very likely that you are not a winning player.
too much out there....98 or some type of straight flush ...or maybe I scare to easily but make crying call
yeah I'm surprised he said he would raise 99% of the time, I would definitely make a crying call there in most cases
Bart said we would basically never x/r turn with anything but the nut flush, it got me thinking maybe it would be a good spot to x/r something like AKo or AQo with the Ace, king or queen of diamonds. Opinions?
Seems to me like it's quite a common play
Pretty standard move with say top pair with the A flush blocker in your hand that is still live to a flush draw.
@@williamr4053 in this case we don't have a pair ott. Idk if it's a viable play, actually wondering if it's good
I think it's a good balancing play with the Adk or AKd, depends also your perception of villian and if they can fold 2p/sets/lower flushes etc.
dont know if j10 would call a raise on river or not. but if u discount the combo of 99 or 97 cuz villian did not raise the flop, dont u need to discount the combo of 9x for betting the turn and river(at a elevated size)? small flush... , i mean the guy open pretty much UTG 3x and call 3bet pre, with 24s? 45s? 46s? maybe, but didnt that need to be discounted also?
I HATE the decision to simply check call on the turn here, mainly because there are so many potential river cards that will kill the action if your plan is always to check the river.
Sxactly! Blasting turn is the only proper play here. Better $300 profit then $1000 loss.
Yep Fancy Play Syndrome but trying to disguise it as "balance".
5 combos that are ahead of hero. Realistically. 8 if you count pocket 77. Minclick it back seems good. Just a cooler.
Out of curiosity what is your breakdown of both hands that beat hero and hands that hero gets value from? I have both shaded to 7ish combos maybe slightly heavier on the can get value side.
I see more since IMO 88 gets here this way.
JTdd and 56dd are 2 more combos but whatever’s
@@adamseidel9780 My count has more 88 than any other set because it shouldn't fold preflop and usually won't fold to that small sizing on the flop (though possibly should honestly). 33 should get pretty discounted though between sometimes folding pre and almost always raising flop if it gets there, 77 will still raise flop the majority of the time though not discounted nearly as much as 33.
@@qazzaqstan imo I have more x-raises on flop as villain with 88 than calls. Hero doesn’t have much but flush draws and overpairs and has a shitton of air I can muscle before an over card comes in.
But I don’t think that’s usual, I think most people call 88. I also don’t know if it’s right.
Depends on how thin we believe villain is going for value on this river. TBH there's a million other ways to make money in NLH versus live fish than to overthink this spot. I just call river.
Yes forget "balancing" and "what does my range do in this spot" Just bet big when you get good hands (you can balance with good bluffs).Player here is doing the ole Fancy Play
Yeah… J 10 of diamonds would call.
Even if you played more aggressively he isn't folding a set of 9s. You minimized your losses the way you played it. I would've got rivered and lost alot more lol
good stuff
A key thing I’d like to know about villain is how overall splashy he is. Caller says he’s aggressive when checked to, but as is often discussed at CLP, there’s a big difference between the guy who bets aggressively when checked to, but plays straightforward when facing aggression, and the splashy maniac who over-calls with lots of stuff. If this villain is the former, I hate raising the river, but if he’s the latter I see the validity and then chalking this spot up to a cooler.
Caller, if you’re reading comments, any other insight?
Results aside as I’m not even done with the hand I’m betting this turn 100% of the time. That turn wasn’t a blank by any means. It actually brings in hands that we now lose to even with the a high flush.
I think leading out on turn outs opponent in weird spot when we lead and are likely loading up again on river.
Before I watch the end of these videos I like to think what I would do in these spots. I came to the same conclusion as hero. In a spot like this if villain is just blasting off bluffs what happens when we raise? All the bluffs fold and our hand is very face up because of the check call turn and then all of a sudden raise river. We heavily block flushes that are worse than ours. Sure he shouldn’t be full on the river but again if he’s not is he really dumping chips on such a strong line with 109 or J10 off?
Yea the logic is to get a bluffy player to blast away so what is the point of raising then against his bluffs?If you think it is possible that he will call with many worst value hands then you should have been just value betting all the way.
Dont really get Barts reasoning here.Also are straights really calling a check raise on that board?
Is the Starbucks drink in the thumbnail a misclick a la Game of Thrones?
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Only hand that makes sense is 88, 89s or a straight flush
Especially especially if you could be bluffing
If you checked the turn and got bet to, the only play is a raise or you don't play poker at all.
400 looks like value without considerartion it is painful with that hand
Min raise to 800, then what, hero fold to their jam? 😅😅
Id do it.
Yeah I know I'd definitely just call here. Min raising here just gets hands we beat to fold.
Action scream 77-99
Is the mistake drinking Starbucks?
Well 1000 cap is NOT a stupid rule when you had zero poker then max 4 dollar bet limit poker only then no limit max 500 now max 1000. Some states have zero live poker.
There was no mistake made in this hand. He had bad feeling about the river and it turned out to be correct, good thing he didn’t raise the river. If anything he should’ve raised the turn
Your obsession with Garrett is weird at best.
I hate playing against a fish like the guy on this video...possible straight, flush draw and with a set of 9s he doesn't raise the bet...impossible to read what these fishes are holding.