So what is the consensus here...is the Villain a button clicker or a genius? Do you find his bet to be as bizarre as I do? Also looking back at this I DEFINITELY like a bet on the turn with specifically the As coming completing the front-door and being in this vs UTG open configuration. Bart
Button clicker if he's telling the truth about value bet at the end. Hard to fold tho for the hero when he goes nuts like that when the board pairs at the end.
I don't find villain's story believable. He's way more likely to have a flush and the river shove is trying to get a straight or big ace to call. It was a correct lay down by the hero. Is anyone floating, a check raise, on the flop with bottom pair on such a wet board? not really. his (Villain) line isn't so bizarre if he had the flush.
13:04 "I turned over my hand before deciding... I wasn't angling for a reaction. I just kinda turned it over and was gonna see what he did." I didn't eat your sandwich. I just kinda put it in my mouth, chewed on it and swallowed.
I thought same thing. Is it unethical, or considered an angle, to turn over your hand to see their reaction? I honestly don't know. I don't see a problem with it, but I won't do it it's faux paw.
I like how Bart says that when someone speaks during a hand it’s almost always the truth and every time the caller spoke it was the truth. Probably best to just keep quiet if you’re not a speech play expert
I will often tell the truth when playing live (Though, I'm only playing 1/2 and 2/5). People never believe me. I'm not exactly grinding daily, but I play consistently enough and people never believe it.
Villian was trolling. He was bluffing. He bet less than half pot on turn when you could call with a flush or straight draw and then 2x bet when he gets counterfeit on a board with straights, flushes and full houses. On the river he was button clicking. He just wanted to win the hand. Logic makes no sense.
@Alex F It is possible he had AA but I think very unlikely. Villian couldn't have the A of spades which means Villan could think Hero could have a A high flush draw on the flop and some percentage of the time Villain will go to war on the flop to protect against draws (before hero told him he didn't have spades.) When Hero check raises and then tells him he doesn't have spades I would most likely fold but I could see a recreational player calling with AA. On the turn, I would think Villian would want to protect more with a bigger bet if he hit gin with top set. There are lots of action killing cards that could come on the river to make a 4 card straight or flush. If villian thought hero had a set or two then he would want to get more money in on the turn. By the river, Hero looks very reluctant to putting more money in the hand so why would Villain bet so large unless he wanted to assure a fold from hero. Remember Villain is a recreational player and won't be balanced in this spot. If somehow Villian had AA then he had less then 5% equity on the flop.
Stopped at 10:00. Bet larger on the Flop, if they call $80 they will call $120. I may lose a stack here, but I'm calling the river shove. Foe's line doesn't make much sense. AA isn't jamming the river. Too often foe will have AxKs here, and think his two pair is stronger than it is, or A5 suited. Without some other live read, I'd say at least 75% of the time foe has an A and not a flush or boat, and the only A combo that beats you is A6, which would be odd from UTG. If we remove flushes from his hand, then you only lose to boats, and only AA makes sense as played, and he thinks you are lying about being on a spade draw and thinks you have a flush. When the only logical hand is that uncommon, AA and it also requires that foe put you on a specific hand, a flush of some kind or 98 or 54 (plus here believes you are lying about the spade draw), I tend to call. I think foe has an A and is turning it into a bluff with the river jam, especially if he can reduce the chances of you having a flush. Even the boats you have can be beaten. You have more boat combinations, but outside of 66, foe has the Nut boat advantage. By shoving, he puts tons of pressure on two pairs and straights. I think calling the River is more profitable than folding, but you need to be willing to lose your stack as well.
I also thought A?Ks is a good bluff hand in the river, but IDK if it makes any sense for it to get here on this line. It has to float call the flop xraise and then when the ace pairs and hero checks, villain has to decide to turn top-top into a two street bluff for stacks? Not very likely, I’d expect a ton of check-throughs with top-top and a draw to the nuts and then a lot of river checks as well after hero has seemingly shut down turn and river. So I don’t know if I buy much AK making it.
In my experience, the speech play "I don't have x" where x is strong to have is almost always indicative of the speaker being strong and with something else. For example the flop comes 889, Turn Q, Player A starts grumbling "omg did you hit the straight" and Player B exclaims "I don't have the straight" Player B always has a Full House here. I think this happens because people get an impulsive fear they will lose value due to their opponent's misread and want to correct their opponent's 'error' in thinking. It feels internally like a great lie because you are technically telling the truth while also being deceptive. In reality I find this very transparent. I def did this myself when I was new to poker.
button clicker bet $55 when I rivered middle straight, I raised to $225, he snap jamed for $650. I tank called and he showed a rivered two pair. clickers gonna click, man
Great hand Bart! Seems like the group of guys I play with...myself included 😂😂😂...nah I'm not that bad. Hard to hero call on that river bet tho for real! Thanks for what you do Bart, you add such value to my game, and it's def appreciated! Prayers for you and your family brother! Have a great day!
Sweet, I guessed the correct check raise size ($120) before he made it, and as played, am calling the river. What a strangely played hand by both players.
I really wish I had watched this one before my last cash session lmao. Guy 3b jam from big blind over my small blind squeeze and says "i got a big pair, you gonna have to suck out if you call!" and I thought the exact opposite, that he wouldn't be telling the truth lmao. He did in fact have aces whoops
One of the things that I believe caused hero to fold is the human tendency to think Villain knows our hand. If he KNEW that we flopped a straight then jamming looks unbelievably strong. But you have a very disguised and under repped hand. That flop raise could just be top pair or an OESD. When villain jams he doesn't think he has to beat a straight. I think that should tip the scales to a call. Think of it this way if you had jammed on the flop would the runout concern you? For me, it would a little but not that much. Flushes and boats are kind of rare. Yes he jammed but it's a little bluffy given the fact that you checked the turn and river. Is he hoping some random single pair will just called a 2x pot shove?
Bart you caught yourself contradicting yourself a bit at the end there 😉. Saying villain is calling the flop raise light b/c it was small, but earlier you said anything that calls 80 would call 120. I actually agree with you at the end more. I think something like AK, AQ, even KQ is likely to float the raise to 80 whereas they very well might fold to 120.
Word. Two overcards with a single spade might peel flop for 50 more. For 90 more, those hands probably fold. I even think some players fold a hand like A6/A5 or even 7x to a 4x raise, but never to a weenie raise.
I saw the turn bet as a blocker bet, from an ace if the guy is terrible but more likely from two-pair with an ace which is what villain had. There’s no way he’s not putting 150 on the turn with AA. So in the end I’d prob fold considering the sizing on the river, giving credit to A6 or a strange flopped set I think villain turned his counterfeit hand into a bluff but it’s a bad play since you have more boats in your range
I think the best bluff hand would be 57. I don't open that hand utg though. So if opponent was playing not maniac ranges then a5 turns into the best bluff hand. I think utg could call flop 2bet with 55,66,77, AA. 56,67. I don't really like the 55 jam, but everything else could jam. I have to start getting creative for bluff hands though. Maybe like a 5x or 7x of hearts. A6ss is impossible. Maybe k6ss seems like an overplay. KK 1 spade?
If vill hit his flush OTT I think he would have bet around 75%. When hero x/r OTF, he's repping two-pair, sets, top-pair open ended, or a flopped straight. Vill can get way more value from that range than $70. So the river is house or air. However, I don't see enough bluffs to call river. A5s, 87s, 75s, idk? And even if you buy that, most players at low stakes aren't turning a two-pair into a jam bluff OTR.
A6cc is a hand that makes sense (maybe aces), other than that all bluffs. I'd still fold though when recreationals bet 2x pot as it's almost never a bluff
That guy has no idea what's going on. Thinking he can push you off trips, or a flush? He only beats missed draws. Losing to any better Ace. Button clicker for sure.
“Thinking he can push you off trips…” Well he pushed the guy off a straight so clearly he’d have pushed him off trips. Although the only credible trips hand is 86cc. 86ss is a flush and the other playable 6x hands are boats.
Funny result, but villain's actions make sense to me with almost any boats, so I'd be folding river for sure. I wouldn't rule out any of villain's 2pair/sets from flop and the ace on the turn gives him a few more 2 pairs like A6 or A5. Hero said he didn't have spades then checks turn, so all of those hands might bet 1/3 pot to see where they're at. On the river once villain perhaps boats up, he nonchalantly shoves river. Funny result, but I believe villain when he says he thinks he's shoving for value. It's a lot more likely he's button clicking vs turning top pair into a 2x overbet boat-blocking bluff...
To me he had like....ATo+ with spade KK with Ks Sometimes Aces Rarely has a flush but wants to use spade as bluff after speech-play. Such a weird hand, hard to call in the moment and it's easy when you're not there, but that felt like being afraid of monsters in the closet. Ace of spades is pretty key in calling that.
This move river tells: I have AA in my hand.... or some shitty misdraws without value. After seeing the hand... yes, definitely, A5 is kind of suicidal... he has no idea of what he's just done.
Villain flopped set, presumed behind after getting raised because he can't fathom otherwise (he's probably correct 99% in this game vs this opponent). Never folding turn (exploitable). Lied after the hand because he's annoyed hero folded a flopped monster (laments money left on the table). Thinks he's creative but actually he's transparent and mechanical. His overbet at the end is a new toy, and he's not using it as a bluff (yet). Thinks straddling loudly makes him table captain. Just smart enough to win sometimes vs passive regs. Not uncommon profile of a certain type of ego driven low limit player. Would get dismantled at most 5/5 games.
He was bluffing. I saw a player do a play similar to this many years ago in a limped pot when a 3 flush was on board and he had like a 5 high flush in his hand. Guy went all in for like 4x pot and showed his opponent his hand . Commented he was trying to get higher flush to fold
I would of put him on a higher POcket Pair possibly and called. It's super tough tho of course being in his shoes. This is LITERALLY a coin flip. You are literally suppose to flip a coin in this spot. It's gross.
Why check turn? Even after the speech play. Seems like the play should be cr flop vbet vbet. If you run into resistance reevaluate. Which you probably won't have a problem with getting raised on the turn with his entire range. If raised on river - he's safely nutted. At least at this level..the river spot is under bluffed with the cr vb vb line. Hero has all value while villain only has top nutted hands: AA and part of Broadway flushes. Vb river also can serve as a blocker bet to villains Broadway flushes. Good chance villain won't raise river even with nut flush as played. Seems like the speech play would of worked great with a cr vb vb line. Would of got hero payed maxed.
How is he safely nutted on the river when he raises when we see here that he bluffs a counterfeit hand. Don't make assumptions that he will act in a way like he is a student of the game when clearly he is not. After the speech I would definitely not bet the turn. You told him you don't have a flush draw and then bet when a flush completes. Even if you say you would lie. Most people don't and I would assume villian would believe what I told him. If on the turn a spade comes that doesn't impove his hand (like J spades.) He could raise on the turn as a bluff especially since you told him you didn't have a flush draw. If what you say is true that you don't have a flush draw on the flop and still call after checking the turn when a flush completes, then you are weighted to having sets and two pairs. When he jams on the river when you are likely to have a full house it makes no sense and you should call with your straight. Normally I wouldn't think a recreational player would bluff a counterfeit hand on the river but you could still beat an overvalued hand like 68 with a spade that might think it's the nuts if you don't have a flush.
@@AT-bw4cm When he raises? He only raises preflop. So he has the nutted hands. Checking the turn is a big mistake. If hero goes bet bet turn and river - it would be an absolute ballsy play to jam river without AA. Hero shows top strength using the cr bet bet line. Villain can't jam river without the nuts for fear that hero is going to call because hero is saying he is at the top of his range. As the villain said he thought he was value betting. The check oop by hero on turn is incredibly weak and allows the villain to blow hero off marginal made hands on that specific board. That's not difficult to decipher and ended up happening as played.
@@MichaelShinosky You said "If raised on river - he's safely nutted." In this hand villain bluffed the river when it made no sense, so you can't say, he is the type to always be nutted on a river shove. In this case hero told villain he didn't have a flush. But even if he didn't, a check raise on the flop means hero has a monster. Sets, straight, or two pair. I would say a hand like AJ spades also but the A spades comes on the turn. In this spot the A spades is a bad card for the hero, a villian could deduce hero almost never has a flush on the turn and raise. When a bad card comes for your range, it is a good idea to check. The odds of the board pairing on the river is about 20% so the vast majority of the time villain could bluff again on the river repping a flush. Yes the check by hero on turn is weak, but 1) he told villain he doesn't have a flush 2) he is out of position and 3) that doesn't mean he will give up on the hand, by calling a big chunk of his range should be draws to beat a flush. In this spot, villain does something illogical and jams the river when he should be wary of a full house.
@@AT-bw4cm Villian made the GTO play on river. Whether accidentally or not - he made the correct play. He can't be beat in this spot. Why allow him to be able to make this play to begin with? Cr bet bet is the line. Nevermind the speech play. It's inconsequential really and if anything only helps hero taking the cr bet bet line. Villain probably snaps a good vb on river.
@@MichaelShinosky Poker is a game of limited information. The more information you can use the bigger your edge. The speech play is there so ignoring it is -ev.
Especially in a rec game when you say you don’t have spades (and lets say it was believable) I don’t see this being a fold, he had to have at least had a good idea you were fairly weak so why would he so confidently jam like that with a better hand knowing it could push u out of a call
I think the villain just got confused and meant that he had A6. Now his tank on the flop makes sense (for a bad player) as does betting the turn when the ace comes and jamming the river for value.
Villain has to be joking when he says he thinks he has the best hand. What is he even trying to get called by? 7x? He literally chops with wheel Aces and loses to all other Ax. Obviously a terrible jam for value but it is a good bluff. Just annoying when players make illogical moves and think they're good when it works. A5 is a bluff here in live poker. It might be different in like a high stakes online game with pros I don't know. By the way, a 2x pot sized bet lays 3:2 odds for the caller so he has to be right 2/(2+3) or 2/5 times or 40%, not 33%. For those of you who think I am wrong, double check yourself. When you lose 2 pot sized bets at 60% frequency and win 3 pots at 40% frequency: -2*(3/5) + 3(2/5) = 0. There is your break even point. At 60% : 40%, or 3:2.
damn if only you made aces full after announcing that you don't have spades and then stacked the guy for like 40k instead of $820 and he was mike mcdermott and you were teddy kgb. How sick would that have been
Rarely see low stakes 2x potting for value because when they have a good hand they want you to call them right? why put 2x pot to scare them away? Most of the time it's a bluff unless you shown a lot of strength and they think you won't fold
Before listening to the ending, I'm almost certain Villian thinks you have a set and are being honest about being scared of the flush. He jams river because he's praying you have 55, 77, 56, or 57 and wants to get paid.
So what is the consensus here...is the Villain a button clicker or a genius? Do you find his bet to be as bizarre as I do? Also looking back at this I DEFINITELY like a bet on the turn with specifically the As coming completing the front-door and being in this vs UTG open configuration. Bart
clicking buttons, but I agree it's hard to call there
Certainly a button clicker
Button clicker if he's telling the truth about value bet at the end. Hard to fold tho for the hero when he goes nuts like that when the board pairs at the end.
I don't find villain's story believable. He's way more likely to have a flush and the river shove is trying to get a straight or big ace to call. It was a correct lay down by the hero. Is anyone floating, a check raise, on the flop with bottom pair on such a wet board? not really. his (Villain) line isn't so bizarre if he had the flush.
Is AK with Ks considered a bluff here by villian ?
"I wasn't angling for a reaction, I just turned my hand over to see how he reacted." - this is the very definition of angling for a reaction. Lol.
Not an angle. Totally acceptable part of the game.
Thats not an angle.....
13:04
"I turned over my hand before deciding... I wasn't angling for a reaction. I just kinda turned it over and was gonna see what he did."
I didn't eat your sandwich. I just kinda put it in my mouth, chewed on it and swallowed.
lol yeah i also noticed this and was surprised Bart didn't call it out.
Love the timestamp comments.
I thought same thing. Is it unethical, or considered an angle, to turn over your hand to see their reaction? I honestly don't know. I don't see a problem with it, but I won't do it it's faux paw.
I thought for sure he had aces. Accidentally GTO 😂
Hahhahhahh
I like how Bart says that when someone speaks during a hand it’s almost always the truth and every time the caller spoke it was the truth. Probably best to just keep quiet if you’re not a speech play expert
I will often tell the truth when playing live (Though, I'm only playing 1/2 and 2/5). People never believe me. I'm not exactly grinding daily, but I play consistently enough and people never believe it.
Villian was trolling. He was bluffing. He bet less than half pot on turn when you could call with a flush or straight draw and then 2x bet when he gets counterfeit on a board with straights, flushes and full houses. On the river he was button clicking. He just wanted to win the hand. Logic makes no sense.
@Alex F It is possible he had AA but I think very unlikely. Villian couldn't have the A of spades which means Villan could think Hero could have a A high flush draw on the flop and some percentage of the time Villain will go to war on the flop to protect against draws (before hero told him he didn't have spades.) When Hero check raises and then tells him he doesn't have spades I would most likely fold but I could see a recreational player calling with AA. On the turn, I would think Villian would want to protect more with a bigger bet if he hit gin with top set. There are lots of action killing cards that could come on the river to make a 4 card straight or flush. If villian thought hero had a set or two then he would want to get more money in on the turn. By the river, Hero looks very reluctant to putting more money in the hand so why would Villain bet so large unless he wanted to assure a fold from hero. Remember Villain is a recreational player and won't be balanced in this spot. If somehow Villian had AA then he had less then 5% equity on the flop.
@Alex F he turned it over, that's not just what he said he had. Caller saw his hand
Stopped at 10:00. Bet larger on the Flop, if they call $80 they will call $120.
I may lose a stack here, but I'm calling the river shove. Foe's line doesn't make much sense. AA isn't jamming the river. Too often foe will have AxKs here, and think his two pair is stronger than it is, or A5 suited. Without some other live read, I'd say at least 75% of the time foe has an A and not a flush or boat, and the only A combo that beats you is A6, which would be odd from UTG. If we remove flushes from his hand, then you only lose to boats, and only AA makes sense as played, and he thinks you are lying about being on a spade draw and thinks you have a flush. When the only logical hand is that uncommon, AA and it also requires that foe put you on a specific hand, a flush of some kind or 98 or 54 (plus here believes you are lying about the spade draw), I tend to call. I think foe has an A and is turning it into a bluff with the river jam, especially if he can reduce the chances of you having a flush. Even the boats you have can be beaten. You have more boat combinations, but outside of 66, foe has the Nut boat advantage. By shoving, he puts tons of pressure on two pairs and straights. I think calling the River is more profitable than folding, but you need to be willing to lose your stack as well.
Friend or foe.
I also thought A?Ks is a good bluff hand in the river, but IDK if it makes any sense for it to get here on this line. It has to float call the flop xraise and then when the ace pairs and hero checks, villain has to decide to turn top-top into a two street bluff for stacks? Not very likely, I’d expect a ton of check-throughs with top-top and a draw to the nuts and then a lot of river checks as well after hero has seemingly shut down turn and river. So I don’t know if I buy much AK making it.
He's got the three pair! Auto-shove.
I’ve seen a LOT of recreational players over value flushes here in these situations on a paired board.
@@vasilgeorgiev4165 A person who plays poker for fun. Sometimes it's used as an insult.
In my experience, the speech play "I don't have x" where x is strong to have is almost always indicative of the speaker being strong and with something else. For example the flop comes 889, Turn Q, Player A starts grumbling "omg did you hit the straight" and Player B exclaims "I don't have the straight" Player B always has a Full House here. I think this happens because people get an impulsive fear they will lose value due to their opponent's misread and want to correct their opponent's 'error' in thinking. It feels internally like a great lie because you are technically telling the truth while also being deceptive. In reality I find this very transparent. I def did this myself when I was new to poker.
It’s also the lie used in the movie rounders.
“You are correct. I don’t hyave spaides.”
*turns over full house*
This is an underrated comment. This is very very true.
Double blocking boats; villain watches Andy the Goat. Andy loves to jam bluff with boat blockers
that was just a great play by him. Plus the speech play after, it was all brilliant
button clicker bet $55 when I rivered middle straight, I raised to $225, he snap jamed for $650. I tank called and he showed a rivered two pair. clickers gonna click, man
Great hand Bart! Seems like the group of guys I play with...myself included 😂😂😂...nah I'm not that bad. Hard to hero call on that river bet tho for real! Thanks for what you do Bart, you add such value to my game, and it's def appreciated! Prayers for you and your family brother! Have a great day!
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Sweet, I guessed the correct check raise size ($120) before he made it, and as played, am calling the river. What a strangely played hand by both players.
The river sizing is actually correct in theory, should be very polarized, but A5 is 100% check back with enough equity to beat some hands
I really wish I had watched this one before my last cash session lmao. Guy 3b jam from big blind over my small blind squeeze and says "i got a big pair, you gonna have to suck out if you call!" and I thought the exact opposite, that he wouldn't be telling the truth lmao. He did in fact have aces whoops
Hey I Have a question/scenario I want to run by you if that’s okay. I need ur help to solve this hand to see if I made right decision. Please lmk!
One of the things that I believe caused hero to fold is the human tendency to think Villain knows our hand. If he KNEW that we flopped a straight then jamming looks unbelievably strong. But you have a very disguised and under repped hand. That flop raise could just be top pair or an OESD.
When villain jams he doesn't think he has to beat a straight. I think that should tip the scales to a call. Think of it this way if you had jammed on the flop would the runout concern you? For me, it would a little but not that much. Flushes and boats are kind of rare. Yes he jammed but it's a little bluffy given the fact that you checked the turn and river. Is he hoping some random single pair will just called a 2x pot shove?
Bart you caught yourself contradicting yourself a bit at the end there 😉. Saying villain is calling the flop raise light b/c it was small, but earlier you said anything that calls 80 would call 120.
I actually agree with you at the end more. I think something like AK, AQ, even KQ is likely to float the raise to 80 whereas they very well might fold to 120.
Word. Two overcards with a single spade might peel flop for 50 more. For 90 more, those hands probably fold. I even think some players fold a hand like A6/A5 or even 7x to a 4x raise, but never to a weenie raise.
I saw the turn bet as a blocker bet, from an ace if the guy is terrible but more likely from two-pair with an ace which is what villain had. There’s no way he’s not putting 150 on the turn with AA. So in the end I’d prob fold considering the sizing on the river, giving credit to A6 or a strange flopped set
I think villain turned his counterfeit hand into a bluff but it’s a bad play since you have more boats in your range
I think the best bluff hand would be 57. I don't open that hand utg though. So if opponent was playing not maniac ranges then a5 turns into the best bluff hand. I think utg could call flop 2bet with 55,66,77, AA. 56,67. I don't really like the 55 jam, but everything else could jam. I have to start getting creative for bluff hands though. Maybe like a 5x or 7x of hearts. A6ss is impossible. Maybe k6ss seems like an overplay. KK 1 spade?
What's funny is how the hero (and many players) always BELIEVE 100% what the villian tells them lol .
"I jammed river for value" lol, right ...
Yeah this is a very well picked hand for a bluff on the river, and he has convinced his opponent that he is a recreational
@@Tapewars he’s definitely a rec and I’m about 99% sure he thought it was for value but we’ll never know for sure…
If vill hit his flush OTT I think he would have bet around 75%. When hero x/r OTF, he's repping two-pair, sets, top-pair open ended, or a flopped straight. Vill can get way more value from that range than $70. So the river is house or air. However, I don't see enough bluffs to call river. A5s, 87s, 75s, idk?
And even if you buy that, most players at low stakes aren't turning a two-pair into a jam bluff OTR.
counterfeit 2P might be a super genius bluff?; I mean he needs some bluffs if he is over-bettering jamming his full-houses right?
I thought the guy might of had AK with k of ♠️ do to the small reraise on the flop
accidental genius shove
A6cc is a hand that makes sense (maybe aces), other than that all bluffs. I'd still fold though when recreationals bet 2x pot as it's almost never a bluff
That guy has no idea what's going on. Thinking he can push you off trips, or a flush? He only beats missed draws. Losing to any better Ace. Button clicker for sure.
“Thinking he can push you off trips…”
Well he pushed the guy off a straight so clearly he’d have pushed him off trips. Although the only credible trips hand is 86cc. 86ss is a flush and the other playable 6x hands are boats.
Funny result, but villain's actions make sense to me with almost any boats, so I'd be folding river for sure. I wouldn't rule out any of villain's 2pair/sets from flop and the ace on the turn gives him a few more 2 pairs like A6 or A5. Hero said he didn't have spades then checks turn, so all of those hands might bet 1/3 pot to see where they're at. On the river once villain perhaps boats up, he nonchalantly shoves river. Funny result, but I believe villain when he says he thinks he's shoving for value. It's a lot more likely he's button clicking vs turning top pair into a 2x overbet boat-blocking bluff...
AK w K spades?
Winner straddle is a great format. Better than regular straddle or button straddle. I would rather see more ante games, however.
Its hard to say if I'd call or fold because my perspective of the villain is going to make up too large of my décision to say here.
To me he had like....ATo+ with spade
KK with Ks
Sometimes Aces
Rarely has a flush but wants to use spade as bluff after speech-play.
Such a weird hand, hard to call in the moment and it's easy when you're not there, but that felt like being afraid of monsters in the closet.
Ace of spades is pretty key in calling that.
I guess I'm just a big old fish. Seems like a snap to me.
If this was Guess the ELO this player would be a solid 450-600 fr. This is why poker players need an ELO.
A5 is a decent candidate for bluffs but at lower stakes people would just call with a flush so I think villain is just getting too fancy
Exactly
I think I would have called there…but maybe I’m the button clicker.
“Are you on a draw?”
Just say no. He wasn’t, technically.
It's the Addamo effect.
This move river tells: I have AA in my hand.... or some shitty misdraws without value.
After seeing the hand... yes, definitely, A5 is kind of suicidal... he has no idea of what he's just done.
Villain flopped set, presumed behind after getting raised because he can't fathom otherwise (he's probably correct 99% in this game vs this opponent). Never folding turn (exploitable). Lied after the hand because he's annoyed hero folded a flopped monster (laments money left on the table). Thinks he's creative but actually he's transparent and mechanical. His overbet at the end is a new toy, and he's not using it as a bluff (yet). Thinks straddling loudly makes him table captain. Just smart enough to win sometimes vs passive regs. Not uncommon profile of a certain type of ego driven low limit player. Would get dismantled at most 5/5 games.
He was bluffing. I saw a player do a play similar to this many years ago in a limped pot when a 3 flush was on board and he had like a 5 high flush in his hand. Guy went all in for like 4x pot and showed his opponent his hand . Commented he was trying to get higher flush to fold
I would have called and if he had aces, gg.
Why couldn’t this guy have AK w/ king of spades?
It's bad to turn an A into a bluff here when hero has so many stronger hands which can call this bet and weaker hands which will insta fold.
He said scary Ace of spades, but that's a great card because it removes his nut flush draw, maybe can put him on Ace X fwiw
You’re rrrriiigghhhttt…I don’t have spades (Teddy KGB voice)
When playing for money why would anyone give out honest info on what cards they had or didn’t have? That was mistake #1.
I would of put him on a higher POcket Pair possibly and called. It's super tough tho of course being in his shoes. This is LITERALLY a coin flip. You are literally suppose to flip a coin in this spot. It's gross.
High pocket pair is the answer i think...
He has quads
Why check turn? Even after the speech play. Seems like the play should be cr flop vbet vbet. If you run into resistance reevaluate. Which you probably won't have a problem with getting raised on the turn with his entire range. If raised on river - he's safely nutted. At least at this level..the river spot is under bluffed with the cr vb vb line. Hero has all value while villain only has top nutted hands: AA and part of Broadway flushes. Vb river also can serve as a blocker bet to villains Broadway flushes. Good chance villain won't raise river even with nut flush as played. Seems like the speech play would of worked great with a cr vb vb line. Would of got hero payed maxed.
How is he safely nutted on the river when he raises when we see here that he bluffs a counterfeit hand. Don't make assumptions that he will act in a way like he is a student of the game when clearly he is not. After the speech I would definitely not bet the turn. You told him you don't have a flush draw and then bet when a flush completes. Even if you say you would lie. Most people don't and I would assume villian would believe what I told him. If on the turn a spade comes that doesn't impove his hand (like J spades.) He could raise on the turn as a bluff especially since you told him you didn't have a flush draw. If what you say is true that you don't have a flush draw on the flop and still call after checking the turn when a flush completes, then you are weighted to having sets and two pairs. When he jams on the river when you are likely to have a full house it makes no sense and you should call with your straight. Normally I wouldn't think a recreational player would bluff a counterfeit hand on the river but you could still beat an overvalued hand like 68 with a spade that might think it's the nuts if you don't have a flush.
@@AT-bw4cm When he raises? He only raises preflop. So he has the nutted hands. Checking the turn is a big mistake. If hero goes bet bet turn and river - it would be an absolute ballsy play to jam river without AA. Hero shows top strength using the cr bet bet line. Villain can't jam river without the nuts for fear that hero is going to call because hero is saying he is at the top of his range. As the villain said he thought he was value betting. The check oop by hero on turn is incredibly weak and allows the villain to blow hero off marginal made hands on that specific board. That's not difficult to decipher and ended up happening as played.
@@MichaelShinosky You said "If raised on river - he's safely nutted." In this hand villain bluffed the river when it made no sense, so you can't say, he is the type to always be nutted on a river shove.
In this case hero told villain he didn't have a flush. But even if he didn't, a check raise on the flop means hero has a monster. Sets, straight, or two pair. I would say a hand like AJ spades also but the A spades comes on the turn. In this spot the A spades is a bad card for the hero, a villian could deduce hero almost never has a flush on the turn and raise. When a bad card comes for your range, it is a good idea to check. The odds of the board pairing on the river is about 20% so the vast majority of the time villain could bluff again on the river repping a flush. Yes the check by hero on turn is weak, but 1) he told villain he doesn't have a flush 2) he is out of position and 3) that doesn't mean he will give up on the hand, by calling a big chunk of his range should be draws to beat a flush. In this spot, villain does something illogical and jams the river when he should be wary of a full house.
@@AT-bw4cm Villian made the GTO play on river. Whether accidentally or not - he made the correct play. He can't be beat in this spot. Why allow him to be able to make this play to begin with? Cr bet bet is the line. Nevermind the speech play. It's inconsequential really and if anything only helps hero taking the cr bet bet line. Villain probably snaps a good vb on river.
@@MichaelShinosky Poker is a game of limited information. The more information you can use the bigger your edge. The speech play is there so ignoring it is -ev.
Or if anyone can help me solve this hand it’s messing with my head lol.
Especially in a rec game when you say you don’t have spades (and lets say it was believable) I don’t see this being a fold, he had to have at least had a good idea you were fairly weak so why would he so confidently jam like that with a better hand knowing it could push u out of a call
I think the villain just got confused and meant that he had A6. Now his tank on the flop makes sense (for a bad player) as does betting the turn when the ace comes and jamming the river for value.
Whoever tried to spell "Genius" is not a genius.
That was me! Nice catch
Secret genius
Caller got Durred
Villain has to be joking when he says he thinks he has the best hand. What is he even trying to get called by? 7x? He literally chops with wheel Aces and loses to all other Ax. Obviously a terrible jam for value but it is a good bluff. Just annoying when players make illogical moves and think they're good when it works. A5 is a bluff here in live poker. It might be different in like a high stakes online game with pros I don't know.
By the way, a 2x pot sized bet lays 3:2 odds for the caller so he has to be right 2/(2+3) or 2/5 times or 40%, not 33%. For those of you who think I am wrong, double check yourself. When you lose 2 pot sized bets at 60% frequency and win 3 pots at 40% frequency: -2*(3/5) + 3(2/5) = 0. There is your break even point. At 60% : 40%, or 3:2.
I feel like if you had a little more history it would’ve been easier to call
A5 for value? 5 doesn’t play….1/2/5 baby!
Guy was bluffing you and lying to you.
Genius idiot moves! See it everyday! People equate luck to good moves!
Accidentally on purpose
damn if only you made aces full after announcing that you don't have spades and then stacked the guy for like 40k instead of $820 and he was mike mcdermott and you were teddy kgb. How sick would that have been
Rarely see low stakes 2x potting for value because when they have a good hand they want you to call them right? why put 2x pot to scare them away? Most of the time it's a bluff unless you shown a lot of strength and they think you won't fold
Pretty obvious bluff as played. Put him on AK with king of spades.
Genius*
It's spelled genius
You may be the only one who noticed.
God damn
Can’t stand live poker. Online is easier in my opinion. Last time I played live had people blasting all in with 1 pair.
hey I made it
Rake in poker is way too greedy ? Why don't players revolt ? Not many winners at yrs end.
Before listening to the ending, I'm almost certain Villian thinks you have a set and are being honest about being scared of the flush. He jams river because he's praying you have 55, 77, 56, or 57 and wants to get paid.
All of those hands beat a flush?
what are you smoking, 55, 56 and 77 all make a boat on the river and the villian would have lost
@@2108naruto he said “before listening to the ending”. He didn’t know the board would pair on the river when he made this comment.
@@blakefredrickson6506 “he jams river” that means he’s referring to the last card unless you’re telling me the river means the 4th card?
@@2108naruto I believe he’s saying he’s predicting villain will jam river before he watched it
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