Batman: "I'll have a number nine large. A number six with extra dip. Two number forty fives. One with cheese. And a large soda. And make it quick, I am the night."
Stephen Grunge cool music video. At one point, Warner Brothers had Seal appear and sing in music videos for songs for their movies. And the songs were great. The visuals were awesome that matched his vocals. For reference, I am talking about both “Kiss From A Rose” from Batman Forever (1995) and “Fly Like An Eagle” from Space Jam (1996).
After finding out that Joel Schumacher passed away I had to come back here to watch someone give this movie its due. The man managed to combined 90's edge with Adam West level ham and cheese and somehow make those elements enhance each other. B&R went off the rails trying but Forever hits that balance far more than it misses. Kilmer manages to strike a perfect balance between serious and campy in a way that feels totally in character the whole time, serious but more than able to crack a joke without it feeling out of character. Very much like Bruce Timm's version of the character in that regard. The darkness is there but so is the humanity and you can see the struggle the character lives with every day, without the movie needing to go into melodrama to sell it. His neon soaked Gotham is likewise something that doesn't work on paper but came out iconic. Different movie but his send off to Michael Gough as Alfred in B&R is legitimately moving and far better than a serious plot in such a campy movie has any right to be. Hats off you Vee for giving this movie some much deserved praise at the risk of pissing off the internet.
@Lord Of Vengeance no shit? At best it will be bland, which makes me miss the old Sonic design to laugh and gawk at. Now it will just be bland instead of laughably bad.
I gotta disagree. Clooney is a great actor in the right role, but this is not the right role for him. He can do a decent Bruce Wayne, but he's not Batman. Even if the script was good his demeanor and delivery just don't work for Batman. I mean sure, maybe he could have surprised us all and really nailed it, but I don't think so. He was just the shits in the role.
Reminds me of all the people blaming Arnold for Mr Freeze, and I’m like “no one can make those line works! Bit heck he sure give his all and seem to be one of the few people on set to have fun”
I actually agree Forever still had Tim Burton in production, which kept the movie... Kinda dark, but still family friendly. So we have a bunch of directing mistakes, but a lot of good things going for the characters. Batman and Robin... It just doesn't get the characters and it REALLY goes all out with the campiness... I still think it's better than BvS, togh. At least Clooney doesn't fuckin KILL people
I was a kid when first saw it, but knew right away it was a giant step down in quality from Burton's films. Even though I was I kid, I never wanted "silly" and "cartoony" in my batman movie. The animated series was 10 x as dark as Schumacher's. He really dumbed things down and insulted the audiences intelligence.
Superman Returns should have had the character being killed by Dooms Day instead of having him being just in space. Lex should have found a way to imprison doomsday and without Superman metropolis would slowly becoming like Gotham. Corrupt cops and the citizens losing hope. Then have Superman revived and try to fix everything. He pushes Luther so hard he has to release a controlled Doomsday on him. Superman eventually overpowers Doomsday and kills him out of desperation. Then we have a brainiac cameo in the end.
Both movies that got the character right. I like how people say Man of Steel was better because they like Cavil's hardened tragic Clark better. People, SNYDER JUST TURNED THE GUY INTO FUCKING BATMAN Yes, superman returns had a boring boyscout of a hero. Guess what? THAT'S WHAT SUPERMAN IS
I agree it might have been received better at the time because didn't have Burton's Batman to live up to. It was still a big hit at the box office, just a few disappointed fans / critics (like me). But regardless of when it came out, it's hard not to see the flaws in this film today. They definitely sold more toys! Which was the goal.
Good lord Tommy Lee’s Opening “are you gonna kill me?” monologue is AMAZEBALLS 😳 Could’ve been an absolute masterpiece with that kind of approach / tone. Whoo! Gave me chills. Jim is so funny too - that “game-show-organ-dance” bit is Heelarious! 😂 I remember watching this in the theaters on opening night with my big brother the entire crowd cheered for every single actors name that appeared during the opening credits. Every single one! What a Time to be a kid and alive.
Opps spelling mistake lol... McDonald's were connected to the movies through Merch in their restaurants and were active in having Tim Burton removed due to the dark nature of the films and wanted a happier light hearted approach to the next movies to compliment their image...
I’ve always thought Kilmer’s Batman was underrated. He makes for a great Bruce Wayne, not my favorite Batman but his voice is up there with Keaton’s when it comes to live action movies (because the #1 is obviously Conroy). My thoughts are still the same on the movie, because it’s really the “average tier” Batman movie, in a sense that it’s not even a bad movie but it’s not up there with Batman 1989 or the Dark Knight trilogy. It’s only one of the worst by default because many other Batman movies are just so great.
5:30 Couldn't agree more. It is my favorite look, and I love how instead of just being good vs evil, it's order vs chaos, that is something that i really think is incredibly intelligent and inspired. The non-scarred side looks bland, like something a normal person would wear, while the scarred side looks incredibly outlandish and over the top. The order side blends in while the chaos side stands out. Perfect symbolism and a design I want to see more of in the future.
This movie really isn’t that bad, Batman and Robin is so bad it’s entertaining now...these movies have the tone they do because Batman Returns. In Batman Returns you only see Batman for like 20-25 minutes of the whole film and I think McDonald’s was pissed because they had to make happy meals out of that movie. The studio and parents were upset that the Penguins whole plan in Batman Returns was to murder the first born children of Gotham, and as a kid being the first born in my family i remember it freaked me out a little that I would be the one who gets taken, although Batman saving me would have been worth it.
You are absolutely right about McDonalds and the need to sell toys. They certainly accomplished that. But I was 12 when this movie came out and knew it was not for me. They dumbed it down for kids too much. I understand why, but I was not pleased with the execution. I'll take Penguin stealing gothams first born children over that goofy TV / mind reading nonsense. It was just painful to watch.
I think jesse eisenburg used a mix of modern lex, modern tech people and the old mad scientist lex from the reeves era. I have a new respect for eisenberg's luthor now
@@bmschneider30 Huh? No, him and Nicholson. Nicholson's more mysterious and even plays the character that way-- Carrey's a funny actor playing riddles as if they were jokes. Seeing the old Riddler I kinda get it now, but then THAT choice becomes it's OWN problem!
Loved this movie. Hype was unreal in 95. Jim Carrey was at his peak here. Val Kilmer was so underrated like you said. Wish they never cut out the deleted scenes.
I completely agree that Val Kilmer as Batman is super underrated. I think he’s similar to Andrew Garfield as Spider-Man in the sense that it would be pitch perfect if the writers and directors knew from the get-go how to write the character and what to do with him
Not a huge fan of Andrew Garfield as Spider-Man, honestly. He captured the suited hero Spider-Man pretty well (in spite of the questionable character decisions by the writers), but I just couldnt really buy him as Peter Parker. Peter was always supposed to be something of an dork before he became Spider-Man (and often remains an endearing dork to some extent afterwards when out of suit, though this varies from version to version) while Garfield's Peter Parker comes off as a bit too alpha and confident from the get-go
I saw it in theaters twice with my little cousin when we were kids and we fell in love. Just good memories. Jim Carey was our favorite actor too but I adore Tommy Lee Jones as 2 Face, I can tell he was having a great time doing it 😆 And those Mcdonalds glasses were the BEST. Wish I still had them. Also, the colors in that movie were wonderful.
The scene with Bruce and Dick in the Batcave when he’s quitting Batman and telling Dick not to go after Two-Face or else revenge will become his whole life is one of the GOAT scenes in Bat cinema.
They do also refer to Robin as “Dick Grayson, college student.” So they were not trying to make you think he was younger than 18. And we all know college kids broke and would mind staying with a billionaire that will reward you with a motorcycle if you fix up all of them lol
Here's a plot twist idea what if Jim Carey is actually the same character as The Cable Guy. And he makes a new name but yet still works in the entertainment business. 🤔🤔
This one was alright. I honestly liked it (Returns being a personal favorite), as I think it was a good mix of goofy and serious. Well as much as it could be "serious"
Didn't you hear? Everyone began hating this one as soon as Clooney won an Oscar. Not to say he didn't earn it, but it just sucks how people became so blindly following whatever was in and popular. As if that somehow makes Batman and Robin watchable...
@@PrincessofPower84 that's krazy! I did know about all that. I had always seen the series criticized as: Batman: Good! Returns: scary Forever: good & robin: no I like them all. Even the "bad" ones.
nobody? That's not true at all. I was 12 and knew what I was watching was made for younger kids. I wasn't laughing at Jim Carrey, I hated the tone. I can only imagine how painful it was to watch for adults. I now this movie has plenty of supporters, but not accurate to say nobody hated this movie. most kids like anything, but I knew plenty of kids who were not impressed with version of Batman. It was for very young kids.
@@faz6877 you have a good point. I've just never seen or heard anyone who hated this one. Mainly because there was so much hate for batman and robin. But they had to "kid" up the last 2 movies since so many parents complained about batman returns.
@@Y2Jerms : Completely agree with you. And I'm not trying to change anyone's opinion. I respect if someone enjoyed this movie. Something just felt off to me. I think Batman and Robin is a different animal lol. Sometimes I lump the two Schumacher movies together, which isn't fair because B&R has a giant drop in quality from even Forever lol. And Forever was a big hit, both at the box office and toys. So I think WB would absolutely declare a success. They just went too far down that road for B&R and were forced to blow the whole thing up.
The Jim Carrey performance was solid. The writing just needed to tighten up his deviousness a bit and lean more into the superiority complex to seperate him from Joker. Tommy Lee Jones on the other hand..
Yeah, didn't know what they were trying to do. Also, the casting of Jones, I mean come on.... Maybe Jones could have pulled Two-Face of if Batman was made in the early 80s. But in 1995, I wouldn't see him in the role, because people seem to forget how Bruce and him are very close friends. I believe there was one comic where they met in college. And casting a 49-year old Jones with a 36-year old Kilmer would make no sense. A 2-6 year difference feels more reasonable. In my opinion, some good alternates for Harvey/Two-Face can be, Kyle MacLachlan (look no further than Blue Velvet and Twin Peaks), Alec Baldwin (Hunt For Red October and Glengarry Glen Ross), or Dennis Quaid (watch him in The Big Easy). Were those guys unavailable?
i miss the little things about the 90s tht made it cool as a kid the Batman happy meals and little toys and cereal boxes...it really helped with the marketing too...thts the problem wit movies now the lack of marketing
The best family friendly Batman movie ever made!!! It was the first Batman movie I ever saw as a kid!! Man, I have such good memories with this film due to the fact I was a massive Jim Carey fan!!! Also it has one of the BEST MOVIE SOUNDTRACKS IN HISTORY!!! Hold Me, Thrill Me, Kiss Me, Kill Me By U2. WHAT A TUNE!!! Also Kiss From a Rose By Seal was it solidified it as an All Time Top Ten Movie Soundtrack. You could argue that it was one of those things in which the soundtrack is better than the movie!!! July 1995!!! As it was released later over here in the UK. Man this movie so HYPED!! Fond Childhood Memories!!! 😄👏🏾👌🏾👍🏾💯
I don't hate fans of this movie, just the movie itself because it took what Tim Burton and Michael Keaton achieved by making Batman relevant as a serious character in the public's conscious after the camp tv show (which I loved as a kid) only to abandon that progress and end up killing the character until Nolan reintroduced Batman again with a respectful serious take. If not for the success of Blade in 1998, comic book films might still be a dead genre and if you were to track down the moment that nearly caused that film genre to go the way of the Dodo, it all traces back to Batman Forever.
Perfectly said here! I liked this movie as a kid (and it holds a special place in my heart since I saw it with my mom and Grandmom), but it has not aged well and did do damage to the superhero film genre
Its still the best Batman film for kids Why can we have the Brave and the Bold show, but not a kid friendly Batman film? Back when I was a kid this was my favorite Batman film
Following up the Burton Batman movies with something so over the top probably would've been better received if done as a TV special though it was very faithful to the source
I grew up with this movie and loved it, Val Kilmer did a great job. Honestly Chris O Donnell was great as Robin. I always thought it was a separate thing as well. One of my favorite parts is when Batman comes through the roof and riddler was like "your entrance was good his was better"
I loved this movie as a kid, and still love it. Yes, it's not amazing in any means but you gotta go into this movie not expecting some very serious movie.
When it comes to Batman movies, Joel Schumacher's are probably the best ones to show kids who are getting into Batman for the first time. Tim Burton's films are extremely graphic, especially when you see Batman brutality killing Joker and Penguin's goons throughout the first two films. Christopher Nolan's films are just incredibly real, like could you imagine showing a kid the scarecrow or joker tape segments in the first two Dark Knight films? I absolutely love all of the live action films. But every single one of them has something different and unique to that version of Batman.
Best Batman portrayal. Dark Knight was amazing, best DC film ever. Top 5 all time superhero film. But thats because of everything around Batman. In Dark Knight, Batman himself was meh. Val Kilmer was by far the best Batman and Bruce Wayne portrayal.
Young me: I’m here for Bat-Hey!!!!Nicole Kidman!!! Me Now: I’m here for the deep psychological layers cleverly written in the scri-Hey!!! Nicole Kidman!!!
Alright, we've had someone tear into "Batman & Robin", we've had someone defend "Batman Forever", no we just need to hear someone talk about the unfinished third Schumacher Batman flick.
I have this thing about Batman actors: many have played a good Batman, many have played a good Bruce Wayne, very few have done both (referring to live-action adaptations). I've always put Val Kilmer into the "good Bruce Wayne, bad Batman" category, but watching these clips have changed my mind a bit. I love both sides, especially his Batman voice, successfully unrecognizable but it sounds like it could be someone's naturally speaking tone. I think if he had gotten more than one movie, we would regard it a lot higher now than we usually do. It's like he was just good enough that we don't need to talk about him (opposed to Clooney, who was infamously bad)
For real. It's like... Val is the perfect Batman as far as I can tell, yet somehow is regarded as one of the worst? He checks off all my boxes too! *Val Kilmer's Batman Stats* • No-Kill Rule? Yes. • Compassion? Yes. • Combat Skill? Yes. • Batvoice? Yes. • Detective Skills? Yes. • Tactician Skills? Yes. • Duality (Batman, Real Bruce Wayne, Public Bruce Wayne)? Yes. • Engineering Skills? Yes.
If the villains hadn’t tried to out-joker The Joker the movie would’ve been much better, but I still think it’s good. Val Kilmer really had the perfect mix between camp and seriousness
Good point about the soundtrack. I’m a big fan of the U2 song (Hold Me, Thrill Me..Kiss Me) that appears on the soundtrack. Great video too. Music video that is. Vee Infuso did great too of course.
Finally I watched this movie and man... Val Kilmer was great. I think maybe he is the best live action Batman for me now, he acted exactly like Kevin Conroy Batman in Animated Series and Troy Baker Batman in Telltale Games (two best versions of Batman for me) and... With his first suit in the movie, he looks perfect for me. Not like commando type Bale or big bulky Affleck. One little think that scratch my head... Why Val don't dye hair black? Seriously It's a shame that he don't have more movies with him as a Batman, he act exactly like Bruce and Bats should do taking example from the comics. And with scene I see was deleted with Man Bat... Brilliant. #ReleasetheSchumacherCut
Im a BM the animated series snob, and want all movies to be modelled after that, but this is my favorite batman movie. I love how they did all the characters. Robin always sucks but i like him older at least like you said. So they even pulled him off right which is a task. 2 face was awesome, riddler was one of jim carreys best roles, and yes kilmer is the most underated batmen ever.
I can agree. I do think that Riddler and Two-Face should have been portrayed and acted different than how they were generally. Just take out all the unnecessary grunts, laughs, and weird designs. Harvey I feel should have been less... flashy
This has always been my second favorite Batman film. The Batman is my first, then this. Thats the best Jim Carrey could've done with what they were asking for, and Val Kilmer nailed the bravado and depth required to be Bruce, but his portrayal of Batman was the most solid I've ever seen. Tommy Lee Jones was a great two-face and he hit the notes perfectly. This is truly underrated.
I have a question; how many people thought Dr. Chase was actually supposed to be a Harley Quinn? I never checked out the film until a week ago and I was so sure she was secretly a nutcase!!!
Great video, and I’m so glad to see someone talk about the positives of this movie! As a young kid this was my favorite Batman movie... even now I’d probably rank it as my 4th favorite live action version of bats I love it so much. I think a big part of my enjoyment has always come from looking at this as its own thing rather than a sequel, so I really enjoyed hearing you discuss that as well. Stink from Batman and Robin definitely holds this movie back in mainstream opinion
You're one of the few people that share my opinions on this movie. And I thank you greatly for that. Mostly for sharing my opinion on Two-Face. Yes he isn't accurate to his comic portrayal and yes Tommy Lee Jones would have worked greatly based on his other roles; but damn If I don't love him for seeing TLJ break character. He also feels like the Two-Face we'd have gotten in the 60s with how over-the-top his gimmick is here. And works well with Riddler who is very much inspired by Gorshwin as you point out.
Damn I still love this movie. Value is definitely the most underrated batman, contrasting his older seasoned still unsure bruce with the confident batman, that speech to riddler at the end! And I'm 27 years old now and I think I'd still fist pump the air the moment dick saves batman!
Duuuuuude batman & robin and then batman forever are my favorites. Mr freeze looks awesome and has awesome lines LOL. It could be because i was a kid when they came out and it's just nostalgia, but i love them.
I highly recommend people check out "superhero things you should know's" series deep diving into this movie. Turns out, had they just made the original screenplay as it was originally written, it would have been the best Batman movie of the series by FAR... There's even supposedly an early cut of the film that includes almost 20 minutes of additional scenes that ended up on the cutting room floor that shore up all the plot holes, clarify the motivations of Ed Nygma, two face, even Chase Meridian, AND even gives Bruce/Batman an arc! What a concept! #ReleaseTheSchumakerCut
It's more than 20 minutes actually. 38 - 40 Minutes were cut from Batman Forever. We've seen how 31 minutes can change a film with Batman v Superman, now let's see what that extra 40 can do for Batman Forever! *#ReleaseTheSchumacherCut*
Finally, someone defends this movie! People forget that before the Bat Credit Card, Schumacher made The Lost Boys and Falling Down. I saw this movie opening night at 5 years old and it still holds a place in my heart, don't even get me started on the soundtrack. It doesn't beat Prince, but I still like it. Great video!
Now talk about how the deleted scenes infinitely improve the movie and them being taken out is an absolute crime. They explain a lot and further delve into Bruce’s psyche
I actually like this movie. Now in terms of this and B & R I have a certain viewpoint. Val Kilmer makes a better Batman and George Clooney make a halfway decent Bruce Wayne. To me George is Bruce in real life.
True. Though Bob Kane still was the other creator of Batman, so his words do hold a value. I would very much like to know what Bill Finger might think of the live action Batmen
Now I know why I personally enjoy this movie.This one was my first. I watched this movie way before I watched the Tim Burton films. I wore the VHS tape out! lol
This movie holds a special place in my heart, I love it. Was the first batman movie I saw in cinemas and also my granddad took me to see it and I definitely think it's better that people gave it credit for!!
I was 5 at the time and this movie fucking slapped. I know how these movies (Batman Forever and Batman & Robin) would be seriously disappointing to teen/adult fans at the time. I think everyone definitely liked the Burton films more. But i was just super excited to see BF and B&R. I had worn out my VHS copies of Batman (1989) and Batman Returns. And was ready for any new Batman live action movie. If you look at these movies through the lens of a 5 year old you can see exactly how awesome these films are
The film stinks overall but has a handful of beautiful Batman moments. The true MVP of Batman Forever is Elliot Goldenthal. The madman turned in an absolute rip-roaring motion picture score that surpasses the nonsense we see on screen. The Expanded Score is especially fantastic.
Agreed. People took it way too serious after that Tim Burton's Batman and thought that it would be as dark as that was. I liked this movie as a kid and in my opinion it's still awesome. So I have to agree with you dude, just this time!
Batman's most iconic quote: "I'll get drive thru"
@Cognitive Chaos What?
It's .. " I'll get drive thru"
I think you're forgetting... "...Women."
I thought it was chicks dig the car.
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Batman: "I'll have a number nine large. A number six with extra dip. Two number forty fives. One with cheese. And a large soda. And make it quick, I am the night."
The Glasses that you got from MacDonals were cool though
Bat Smoke
"You ate my food!"
"It was getting cold!"
With a Batman Happy Meal on the side
All you had to do was follow the damn batmobile CJ!
I guess Batman didn't want the two number nines and the number seven.
The "Kiss From a Rose" video by Seal will forever be etched in my brain.
Great song indeed!
And in my heart
Baaaaaayby!
Stephen Grunge cool music video. At one point, Warner Brothers had Seal appear and sing in music videos for songs for their movies. And the songs were great. The visuals were awesome that matched his vocals. For reference, I am talking about both “Kiss From A Rose” from Batman Forever (1995) and “Fly Like An Eagle” from Space Jam (1996).
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After finding out that Joel Schumacher passed away I had to come back here to watch someone give this movie its due.
The man managed to combined 90's edge with Adam West level ham and cheese and somehow make those elements enhance each other. B&R went off the rails trying but Forever hits that balance far more than it misses.
Kilmer manages to strike a perfect balance between serious and campy in a way that feels totally in character the whole time, serious but more than able to crack a joke without it feeling out of character. Very much like Bruce Timm's version of the character in that regard. The darkness is there but so is the humanity and you can see the struggle the character lives with every day, without the movie needing to go into melodrama to sell it.
His neon soaked Gotham is likewise something that doesn't work on paper but came out iconic.
Different movie but his send off to Michael Gough as Alfred in B&R is legitimately moving and far better than a serious plot in such a campy movie has any right to be.
Hats off you Vee for giving this movie some much deserved praise at the risk of pissing off the internet.
Let’s not forget that incredible soundtrack
The best part of Batman forever is knowing that Tommy Lee Jones and the guy playing Riddler didn't get along. Makes the scenes all the funnier.
@Cognitive Chaos Thank you. I forget his name for some reason and almost always end up putting Tim Curry....another great actor.
Tommy Lee Jones to Jim Carry "I cannot sanction your buffoonery"
@@Retrostar619 my favorite quote involved with this film.
@Lord Of Vengeance no shit? At best it will be bland, which makes me miss the old Sonic design to laugh and gawk at. Now it will just be bland instead of laughably bad.
@Lord Of Vengeance I come from the future, with knowledge that it's decent. A feel good kinda kid's film
When The Riddler said " If Knowledge is power then a God am I " one of my favorite lines in any movie !
Ok. I’ll admit that’s a good line.
I don't even think George Clooney was a bad choice either, it was a bad script.
Geroge was a bad choice
Stop
I gotta disagree. Clooney is a great actor in the right role, but this is not the right role for him. He can do a decent Bruce Wayne, but he's not Batman. Even if the script was good his demeanor and delivery just don't work for Batman. I mean sure, maybe he could have surprised us all and really nailed it, but I don't think so. He was just the shits in the role.
hey yo well if the script was better I could defiantly see Clooney playing a pretty good Adam West-esq batman
Reminds me of all the people blaming Arnold for Mr Freeze, and I’m like “no one can make those line works! Bit heck he sure give his all and seem to be one of the few people on set to have fun”
I actually agree
Forever still had Tim Burton in production, which kept the movie... Kinda dark, but still family friendly. So we have a bunch of directing mistakes, but a lot of good things going for the characters.
Batman and Robin... It just doesn't get the characters and it REALLY goes all out with the campiness... I still think it's better than BvS, togh. At least Clooney doesn't fuckin KILL people
I think I might know where my attraction to red-lipstick on blondes came from. Nicole Kidman was SMOKIN in that movie.
She doesn't age, She still looks the same today
Amen
Nicole Kidman in this, Cameron Diaz in The Mask. What is it with famous blondes looking their absolute best in Jim Carrey movies?
@@JoePants ...You just gave me a great reason to rewatch the mask. Thanks for the reminder. But yea...Jim has had some luck with the blondes lol.
😂🤣😆 I thought she was Harleen Quinnzel when I saw her
I loved it when I was a kid. It's easier for TH-camrs to shit on it with hindsight. But I think it pleased a lot of kid back in the day.
Well I can go back and watch this one, batman and Robin is a serious no for me, dawg. Unwatchable
Numa 2K i absolutely agree. This film was made for kids and to sell toys. They made it cheesy for a reason. I still love the movie just on nostalgia.
I was a kid when first saw it, but knew right away it was a giant step down in quality from Burton's films. Even though I was I kid, I never wanted "silly" and "cartoony" in my batman movie. The animated series was 10 x as dark as Schumacher's. He really dumbed things down and insulted the audiences intelligence.
@@BboyDJFLIP : You are absolutely right about selling toys. That's what it was all about.
I had a great time watching this in theaters.
It was my favourite Batman movie when I was a kid. Now I think the Burton movies crush it though, but it works as a more family friendly movie.
@Raychronic420 Man as an adult I don't know how you can't go with Ernest Goes to Camp!
Batman Forever and Superman Returns are the most underrated DC movies
Superman Returns was boring. Like they were trying to give respect to the first two Superman but I think you came out a bit of a mess
Superman Returns should have had the character being killed by Dooms Day instead of having him being just in space. Lex should have found a way to imprison doomsday and without Superman metropolis would slowly becoming like Gotham. Corrupt cops and the citizens losing hope. Then have Superman revived and try to fix everything. He pushes Luther so hard he has to release a controlled Doomsday on him. Superman eventually overpowers Doomsday and kills him out of desperation. Then we have a brainiac cameo in the end.
Metal overload That’s basically the cancelled Tim Burton movie Superman Lives. Except, like in the comics, Superman and doomsday both die in the fight
Superstalker returns
Both movies that got the character right.
I like how people say Man of Steel was better because they like Cavil's hardened tragic Clark better.
People, SNYDER JUST TURNED THE GUY INTO FUCKING BATMAN
Yes, superman returns had a boring boyscout of a hero. Guess what? THAT'S WHAT SUPERMAN IS
Ngl as a kid this was my favorite movie , the fact that it had a robin “origin” story was so dope
If this movie came out before Tim Burtons Batman, people would not of complained as much. This movie is great anyway.
I agree it might have been received better at the time because didn't have Burton's Batman to live up to. It was still a big hit at the box office, just a few disappointed fans / critics (like me). But regardless of when it came out, it's hard not to see the flaws in this film today. They definitely sold more toys! Which was the goal.
Good lord Tommy Lee’s Opening “are you gonna kill me?” monologue is AMAZEBALLS 😳 Could’ve been an absolute masterpiece with that kind of approach / tone. Whoo! Gave me chills. Jim is so funny too - that “game-show-organ-dance” bit is Heelarious! 😂
I remember watching this in the theaters on opening night with my big brother the entire crowd cheered for every single actors name that appeared during the opening credits. Every single one! What a Time to be a kid and alive.
I still hold a grudge against McDonalds for being part of the reason for the Keating batman era ending
Marc Piotrowski what did McDonald’s do? I’m genuinely curious
Do you mean Keaton 🤔
Opps spelling mistake lol... McDonald's were connected to the movies through Merch in their restaurants and were active in having Tim Burton removed due to the dark nature of the films and wanted a happier light hearted approach to the next movies to compliment their image...
The Duke correction. The franchise got ONE shitty movie
@@nickw3132 Two
I’ve always thought Kilmer’s Batman was underrated. He makes for a great Bruce Wayne, not my favorite Batman but his voice is up there with Keaton’s when it comes to live action movies (because the #1 is obviously Conroy). My thoughts are still the same on the movie, because it’s really the “average tier” Batman movie, in a sense that it’s not even a bad movie but it’s not up there with Batman 1989 or the Dark Knight trilogy. It’s only one of the worst by default because many other Batman movies are just so great.
5:30 Couldn't agree more. It is my favorite look, and I love how instead of just being good vs evil, it's order vs chaos, that is something that i really think is incredibly intelligent and inspired. The non-scarred side looks bland, like something a normal person would wear, while the scarred side looks incredibly outlandish and over the top. The order side blends in while the chaos side stands out. Perfect symbolism and a design I want to see more of in the future.
This movie really isn’t that bad, Batman and Robin is so bad it’s entertaining now...these movies have the tone they do because Batman Returns. In Batman Returns you only see Batman for like 20-25 minutes of the whole film and I think McDonald’s was pissed because they had to make happy meals out of that movie. The studio and parents were upset that the Penguins whole plan in Batman Returns was to murder the first born children of Gotham, and as a kid being the first born in my family i remember it freaked me out a little that I would be the one who gets taken, although Batman saving me would have been worth it.
You are absolutely right about McDonalds and the need to sell toys. They certainly accomplished that. But I was 12 when this movie came out and knew it was not for me. They dumbed it down for kids too much. I understand why, but I was not pleased with the execution.
I'll take Penguin stealing gothams first born children over that goofy TV / mind reading nonsense. It was just painful to watch.
I loved Jim Carrey’s Riddler
I think Jesse Eisenberg's Lex Luther was inspired by Jim Carrey's Riddler.
I think jesse eisenburg used a mix of modern lex, modern tech people and the old mad scientist lex from the reeves era. I have a new respect for eisenberg's luthor now
@@leafyishereisdumbnameakath4259 I wouldn't. He's embarrassing to watch. That last scene with him was hilarious.
@@jcore0981 😂😆🤣
Nah. Superman: Birthright. Apparently Jesse was originally supposed to be Jimmy Olsen though
I've always said that him and Nicholson should've had opposite roles.
So we could have gotten an old ass batman ?
@@bmschneider30 Huh? No, him and Nicholson. Nicholson's more mysterious and even plays the character that way-- Carrey's a funny actor playing riddles as if they were jokes. Seeing the old Riddler I kinda get it now, but then THAT choice becomes it's OWN problem!
Loved this movie. Hype was unreal in 95. Jim Carrey was at his peak here. Val Kilmer was so underrated like you said. Wish they never cut out the deleted scenes.
I completely agree that Val Kilmer as Batman is super underrated. I think he’s similar to Andrew Garfield as Spider-Man in the sense that it would be pitch perfect if the writers and directors knew from the get-go how to write the character and what to do with him
Not a huge fan of Andrew Garfield as Spider-Man, honestly. He captured the suited hero Spider-Man pretty well (in spite of the questionable character decisions by the writers), but I just couldnt really buy him as Peter Parker. Peter was always supposed to be something of an dork before he became Spider-Man (and often remains an endearing dork to some extent afterwards when out of suit, though this varies from version to version) while Garfield's Peter Parker comes off as a bit too alpha and confident from the get-go
Personally for me this is the second most underrated Batman film.
Batman returns is number one, and to me it is generally a better film.
His smile in the Batsuit is iconic tbh
Remind s me of the Kevin Conroy animated smile. Lol.
I saw it in theaters twice with my little cousin when we were kids and we fell in love. Just good memories. Jim Carey was our favorite actor too but I adore Tommy Lee Jones as 2 Face, I can tell he was having a great time doing it 😆 And those Mcdonalds glasses were the BEST. Wish I still had them. Also, the colors in that movie were wonderful.
You fell in loved with your cousin?
@@paulmajano they mean with the film 😂😂
The scene with Bruce and Dick in the Batcave when he’s quitting Batman and telling Dick not to go after Two-Face or else revenge will become his whole life is one of the GOAT scenes in Bat cinema.
I was only 12 or so when it came out however I enjoyed it and watched it several times. Also at least this one didn't have the bat credit card sh*t
Never leave the cave without it
They do also refer to Robin as “Dick Grayson, college student.” So they were not trying to make you think he was younger than 18. And we all know college kids broke and would mind staying with a billionaire that will reward you with a motorcycle if you fix up all of them lol
Here's a plot twist idea what if Jim Carey is actually the same character as The Cable Guy. And he makes a new name but yet still works in the entertainment business. 🤔🤔
This one was alright. I honestly liked it (Returns being a personal favorite), as I think it was a good mix of goofy and serious.
Well as much as it could be "serious"
I think it is good as its the only campy one that isnt absolute shit. Its good to see something that relates mostly to the comics
"Val Kilmer, is by far the most underrated Batman of all time" - Vee Infuso
Finally someone says it ! 🦇
Nobody hated this one. They hated batman and robin.
Didn't you hear? Everyone began hating this one as soon as Clooney won an Oscar. Not to say he didn't earn it, but it just sucks how people became so blindly following whatever was in and popular. As if that somehow makes Batman and Robin watchable...
@@PrincessofPower84 that's krazy! I did know about all that. I had always seen the series criticized as:
Batman: Good!
Returns: scary
Forever: good
& robin: no
I like them all. Even the "bad" ones.
nobody? That's not true at all. I was 12 and knew what I was watching was made for younger kids. I wasn't laughing at Jim Carrey, I hated the tone. I can only imagine how painful it was to watch for adults. I now this movie has plenty of supporters, but not accurate to say nobody hated this movie. most kids like anything, but I knew plenty of kids who were not impressed with version of Batman. It was for very young kids.
@@faz6877 you have a good point. I've just never seen or heard anyone who hated this one. Mainly because there was so much hate for batman and robin. But they had to "kid" up the last 2 movies since so many parents complained about batman returns.
@@Y2Jerms : Completely agree with you. And I'm not trying to change anyone's opinion. I respect if someone enjoyed this movie. Something just felt off to me.
I think Batman and Robin is a different animal lol. Sometimes I lump the two Schumacher movies together, which isn't fair because B&R has a giant drop in quality from even Forever lol.
And Forever was a big hit, both at the box office and toys. So I think WB would absolutely declare a success. They just went too far down that road for B&R and were forced to blow the whole thing up.
Joker "You remind me of Batman....forever."
The scene where twoface teaches riddler how to punch a guy is still hilarious!
The Jim Carrey performance was solid. The writing just needed to tighten up his deviousness a bit and lean more into the superiority complex to seperate him from Joker. Tommy Lee Jones on the other hand..
Yeah, didn't know what they were trying to do. Also, the casting of Jones, I mean come on....
Maybe Jones could have pulled Two-Face of if Batman was made in the early 80s. But in 1995, I wouldn't see him in the role, because people seem to forget how Bruce and him are very close friends. I believe there was one comic where they met in college. And casting a 49-year old Jones with a 36-year old Kilmer would make no sense. A 2-6 year difference feels more reasonable. In my opinion, some good alternates for Harvey/Two-Face can be, Kyle MacLachlan (look no further than Blue Velvet and Twin Peaks), Alec Baldwin (Hunt For Red October and Glengarry Glen Ross), or Dennis Quaid (watch him in The Big Easy). Were those guys unavailable?
i miss the little things about the 90s tht made it cool as a kid the Batman happy meals and little toys and cereal boxes...it really helped with the marketing too...thts the problem wit movies now the lack of marketing
The best family friendly Batman movie ever made!!! It was the first Batman movie I ever saw as a kid!! Man, I have such good memories with this film due to the fact I was a massive Jim Carey fan!!! Also it has one of the BEST MOVIE SOUNDTRACKS IN HISTORY!!! Hold Me, Thrill Me, Kiss Me, Kill Me By U2. WHAT A TUNE!!! Also Kiss From a Rose By Seal was it solidified it as an All Time Top Ten Movie Soundtrack. You could argue that it was one of those things in which the soundtrack is better than the movie!!! July 1995!!! As it was released later over here in the UK. Man this movie so HYPED!! Fond Childhood Memories!!! 😄👏🏾👌🏾👍🏾💯
I don't hate fans of this movie, just the movie itself because it took what Tim Burton and Michael Keaton achieved by making Batman relevant as a serious character in the public's conscious after the camp tv show (which I loved as a kid) only to abandon that progress and end up killing the character until Nolan reintroduced Batman again with a respectful serious take. If not for the success of Blade in 1998, comic book films might still be a dead genre and if you were to track down the moment that nearly caused that film genre to go the way of the Dodo, it all traces back to Batman Forever.
Perfectly said here! I liked this movie as a kid (and it holds a special place in my heart since I saw it with my mom and Grandmom), but it has not aged well and did do damage to the superhero film genre
Its still the best Batman film for kids
Why can we have the Brave and the Bold show, but not a kid friendly Batman film?
Back when I was a kid this was my favorite Batman film
Following up the Burton Batman movies with something so over the top probably would've been better received if done as a TV special though it was very faithful to the source
Thank you! Someone else actually appreciates this totally underated film.
I’ll give the movie this, it’s the only one of the four that actually goes into Bruce Wayne’s psyche and analyzes his drive to be Batman.
I grew up with this movie and loved it, Val Kilmer did a great job. Honestly Chris O Donnell was great as Robin. I always thought it was a separate thing as well. One of my favorite parts is when Batman comes through the roof and riddler was like "your entrance was good his was better"
I loved this movie as a kid, and still love it. Yes, it's not amazing in any means but you gotta go into this movie not expecting some very serious movie.
When it comes to Batman movies, Joel Schumacher's are probably the best ones to show kids who are getting into Batman for the first time. Tim Burton's films are extremely graphic, especially when you see Batman brutality killing Joker and Penguin's goons throughout the first two films. Christopher Nolan's films are just incredibly real, like could you imagine showing a kid the scarecrow or joker tape segments in the first two Dark Knight films? I absolutely love all of the live action films. But every single one of them has something different and unique to that version of Batman.
Best Batman portrayal. Dark Knight was amazing, best DC film ever. Top 5 all time superhero film. But thats because of everything around Batman. In Dark Knight, Batman himself was meh. Val Kilmer was by far the best Batman and Bruce Wayne portrayal.
Thank you for saying this! Val Kilmer is easily in the top 3 for live action Batman portrayals
Young me: I’m here for Bat-Hey!!!!Nicole Kidman!!!
Me Now: I’m here for the deep psychological layers cleverly written in the scri-Hey!!! Nicole Kidman!!!
Alright, we've had someone tear into "Batman & Robin", we've had someone defend "Batman Forever", no we just need to hear someone talk about the unfinished third Schumacher Batman flick.
I have this thing about Batman actors: many have played a good Batman, many have played a good Bruce Wayne, very few have done both (referring to live-action adaptations). I've always put Val Kilmer into the "good Bruce Wayne, bad Batman" category, but watching these clips have changed my mind a bit. I love both sides, especially his Batman voice, successfully unrecognizable but it sounds like it could be someone's naturally speaking tone. I think if he had gotten more than one movie, we would regard it a lot higher now than we usually do. It's like he was just good enough that we don't need to talk about him (opposed to Clooney, who was infamously bad)
For real. It's like... Val is the perfect Batman as far as I can tell, yet somehow is regarded as one of the worst? He checks off all my boxes too!
*Val Kilmer's Batman Stats*
• No-Kill Rule? Yes.
• Compassion? Yes.
• Combat Skill? Yes.
• Batvoice? Yes.
• Detective Skills? Yes.
• Tactician Skills? Yes.
• Duality (Batman, Real Bruce Wayne, Public Bruce Wayne)? Yes.
• Engineering Skills? Yes.
Seeing the car from this movie in person is the most amazing thing I have ever seen
If the villains hadn’t tried to out-joker The Joker the movie would’ve been much better, but I still think it’s good. Val Kilmer really had the perfect mix between camp and seriousness
Best thing about this movie is the soundtrack. I mean if you don't sing "kiss from a rose" in the shower too then your fake news
Don't forget the "In your dreams" one. That was excellent.
Good point about the soundtrack. I’m a big fan of the U2 song (Hold Me, Thrill Me..Kiss Me) that appears on the soundtrack. Great video too. Music video that is. Vee Infuso did great too of course.
Batman Forever next to The Animated Series introduced me to the character..I will always hold a special place for this film.
The Forever suits were awesome. Also, Kilmer was AWESOME.
Finally I watched this movie and man... Val Kilmer was great. I think maybe he is the best live action Batman for me now, he acted exactly like Kevin Conroy Batman in Animated Series and Troy Baker Batman in Telltale Games (two best versions of Batman for me) and... With his first suit in the movie, he looks perfect for me. Not like commando type Bale or big bulky Affleck. One little think that scratch my head... Why Val don't dye hair black?
Seriously It's a shame that he don't have more movies with him as a Batman, he act exactly like Bruce and Bats should do taking example from the comics. And with scene I see was deleted with Man Bat... Brilliant.
#ReleasetheSchumacherCut
I binge watched your videos all night I love them
Im a BM the animated series snob, and want all movies to be modelled after that, but this is my favorite batman movie. I love how they did all the characters. Robin always sucks but i like him older at least like you said. So they even pulled him off right which is a task. 2 face was awesome, riddler was one of jim carreys best roles, and yes kilmer is the most underated batmen ever.
I can agree. I do think that Riddler and Two-Face should have been portrayed and acted different than how they were generally. Just take out all the unnecessary grunts, laughs, and weird designs. Harvey I feel should have been less... flashy
I love this movie. I wouldnt mind Chase having a come back, like Vikki Vale in the Arkham games
As a nutcase perhaps, I am sorry if I am insulting the character but, she kinda talks like she’s gonna go classic Harley Quinn mode in a minute!
This has always been my second favorite Batman film. The Batman is my first, then this. Thats the best Jim Carrey could've done with what they were asking for, and Val Kilmer nailed the bravado and depth required to be Bruce, but his portrayal of Batman was the most solid I've ever seen. Tommy Lee Jones was a great two-face and he hit the notes perfectly. This is truly underrated.
Wait... you've seen The Batman?
"Put it on his tombstone" didn't age well 😔
Outside of the Nolan trilogy, it is my favorite Batman film! Also Val Kilmer is my favorite Batman!
I stand firmly behind you on this vee
I have to say that i think Val Kilmer made a great Bruce Wayne. Maybe not the best Batman though.
I always loved forever it was good would've been better if they didn't cut out key scenes
I agree. That why's they need to #ReleaseTheSchumacherCut
My dad and me loves this for the motorcycles from Robin's Norton to Bruce Wayne's Vincent collection
I have a question; how many people thought Dr. Chase was actually supposed to be a Harley Quinn? I never checked out the film until a week ago and I was so sure she was secretly a nutcase!!!
That would actually be a cool plot twist. In this universe, Harley never met The Joker
Great video, and I’m so glad to see someone talk about the positives of this movie! As a young kid this was my favorite Batman movie... even now I’d probably rank it as my 4th favorite live action version of bats I love it so much. I think a big part of my enjoyment has always come from looking at this as its own thing rather than a sequel, so I really enjoyed hearing you discuss that as well. Stink from Batman and Robin definitely holds this movie back in mainstream opinion
You're one of the few people that share my opinions on this movie. And I thank you greatly for that.
Mostly for sharing my opinion on Two-Face. Yes he isn't accurate to his comic portrayal and yes Tommy Lee Jones would have worked greatly based on his other roles; but damn If I don't love him for seeing TLJ break character. He also feels like the Two-Face we'd have gotten in the 60s with how over-the-top his gimmick is here. And works well with Riddler who is very much inspired by Gorshwin as you point out.
It’s to bad we didn’t get to see Billy Dee Williams as Two Face, unless we count The Lego Batman Movie
Damn I still love this movie. Value is definitely the most underrated batman, contrasting his older seasoned still unsure bruce with the confident batman, that speech to riddler at the end! And I'm 27 years old now and I think I'd still fist pump the air the moment dick saves batman!
5:30 ,,...one of my all time favorite Actors at the time " wtf hahaha.
Anyways , cool Video.
I have so many fond memories of watching these movies with my dad through my childhood I loved them
Duuuuuude batman & robin and then batman forever are my favorites. Mr freeze looks awesome and has awesome lines LOL. It could be because i was a kid when they came out and it's just nostalgia, but i love them.
Yeah they really are amazing lol
I highly recommend people check out "superhero things you should know's" series deep diving into this movie. Turns out, had they just made the original screenplay as it was originally written, it would have been the best Batman movie of the series by FAR... There's even supposedly an early cut of the film that includes almost 20 minutes of additional scenes that ended up on the cutting room floor that shore up all the plot holes, clarify the motivations of Ed Nygma, two face, even Chase Meridian, AND even gives Bruce/Batman an arc! What a concept! #ReleaseTheSchumakerCut
It's more than 20 minutes actually. 38 - 40 Minutes were cut from Batman Forever. We've seen how 31 minutes can change a film with Batman v Superman, now let's see what that extra 40 can do for Batman Forever!
*#ReleaseTheSchumacherCut*
Is it on TH-cam by chance?
Finally, someone defends this movie! People forget that before the Bat Credit Card, Schumacher made The Lost Boys and Falling Down. I saw this movie opening night at 5 years old and it still holds a place in my heart, don't even get me started on the soundtrack. It doesn't beat Prince, but I still like it. Great video!
Finally some said Val Kilmer is and underrated Batman. I knew I was the only one. Also great video, man.
“Youuuuuuu became the light on the dark side of meeeee”
I agree. Batman forever is a very slept on movie !
I loved this movie back in 2006. I remember my mom brought the dvd home after coming hime from work. Still Batman 2022s personally my favorite batman
Now talk about how the deleted scenes infinitely improve the movie and them being taken out is an absolute crime. They explain a lot and further delve into Bruce’s psyche
Good movie SIJW you right. I should watch it again I was so caught up on the dark night but the forever movie was good as well.
I actually like this movie. Now in terms of this and B & R I have a certain viewpoint. Val Kilmer makes a better Batman and George Clooney make a halfway decent Bruce Wayne. To me George is Bruce in real life.
Vee Your channel & videos are amazing!! I hate my job & your reviews on everything DC & Marvel are the only thing that gets me through my shift :)
Bob Kane? NO Bill finger was the Real genius behind the Bat
True. Though Bob Kane still was the other creator of Batman, so his words do hold a value. I would very much like to know what Bill Finger might think of the live action Batmen
Your comedy is spot on mate 👏🏻😂
Ok when you said “YOU’RE A GROWN ASS MAN CHRIS O’DONNELL NO ONE IS GONNA ADOPT YOU!” I died laughing
Now I know why I personally enjoy this movie.This one was my first. I watched this movie way before I watched the Tim Burton films. I wore the VHS tape out! lol
The best thing about this film, aside from Jim Carey, is that it's not Batman & Robin.
This movie holds a special place in my heart, I love it. Was the first batman movie I saw in cinemas and also my granddad took me to see it and I definitely think it's better that people gave it credit for!!
Got all 4 movies sealed on vhs recently and the mugs. Good shit. Even batman and Robin is a good watch
I was 5 at the time and this movie fucking slapped. I know how these movies (Batman Forever and Batman & Robin) would be seriously disappointing to teen/adult fans at the time. I think everyone definitely liked the Burton films more. But i was just super excited to see BF and B&R. I had worn out my VHS copies of Batman (1989) and Batman Returns. And was ready for any new Batman live action movie. If you look at these movies through the lens of a 5 year old you can see exactly how awesome these films are
Good job dude 👍 and I agree with your assessment
The film stinks overall but has a handful of beautiful Batman moments. The true MVP of Batman Forever is Elliot Goldenthal. The madman turned in an absolute rip-roaring motion picture score that surpasses the nonsense we see on screen. The Expanded Score is especially fantastic.
Thank God i'm not the only one who likes this movie! I had it on VHS when I was a kid and I loved it.
If you watch the old Batman series.. It makes perfect sense that these villains need to be in an insane asylum
Agreed. People took it way too serious after that Tim Burton's Batman and thought that it would be as dark as that was. I liked this movie as a kid and in my opinion it's still awesome. So I have to agree with you dude, just this time!
I don't mind Forever, it's kinda cool, and enjoyable.
Batman and Robin, tho, I couldn't finish the damn thing.
I’m sorry, but I cannot sanction this movie’s buffoonery
lmaooo clever
"Come take a ride in my love machine baby" is probably the line that I quote the most from this film