BEN AFFLECK THE MOST DIVISIVE BATMAN
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 28 ก.ย. 2024
- Ben Affleck is set to make his return to the role for the upcoming Flash film.
In preparing ourselves for what's to come, let's take a look back at his time in the cape and cowl thus far.
Today we pay tribute to the Batman of the DCEU.
Covering his full tenure (Sans Flash)
Batman V Superman
Suicide Squad
Justice League
Zack Snyder's Justice League
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Loved the idea of a “broken” Batman. One who lost his way as alluded to by Alfred a few times. We’re led to believe that he didn’t always kill, and wasn’t always such a loose cannon, but 20 years of broken promises, losses, and betrayals made him into the Batman we saw in BvS.
I agree it was the material that let Ben down, but the biggest issue is he didn’t get a solo movie before BvS. Imagine seeing a solo film where Robin is alive and is Batman’s last thread to his moral codes. We see Robin killed by the Joker in the climax and Batman looses it. Then in the post credits scene we see the opening of BvS with Bruce running through the Metropolis wreckage. That would have set the audience up for a better understanding of where this Batman is at come BvS , and would give characters like Gordon more screen time.
I'd have the murder of Robin be like the cold open of bens solo batman movie I'd have it take place after man of steel but before BVS have deathstroke as the villain etc but I'd have it be more a character study of a broken batman then the post credit I'd have him watching footage of Superman
@@ryankeefe2102 Some people would have been mad, but Robin getting killed by Deathstroke would have set the tone and also made his death and Bruce's head space make a bit more sense. Because why would this Batman not have killed the Joker after he killed Dick Grayson, when he has zero problems with killing. In BvS he stops himself from killing Superman with the intention being that he was realizing that he was becoming just like Joe Chill by breaking his no kill rule. Yet minutes afterwards he kills at least half of the people in that warehouse.
It's not that I can't accept that you have a Batman who doesn't have the no kill rule, The Batman is actually the first live-action version in modern times that establishes that he never goes that far. The problem however is, it makes no sense why he would let the Joker live in this universe. Or why was it okay to kill a bunch of Lex's thugs, but not Lex himself? I know Snyder's argument is he won't go out of his way to kill people, it's more that he accepts that collateral damage during a fight including death is part of the job, a sort of cop or solider mentality to being in a combat scenario. Yet he's got a guy nailed to a wall at the end of the fight and it's implied he kills him for stabbing him. Then instead of shooting KBG's hands like what happens in the dark knight returns, he shoots the tank and blows up the room.
And I am saying all this as a huge Batfleck fan who while I really do love The Batman, the biggest disappointment is that we are never going to get the Batman VS Deathstroke movie. When written at his best, he's the closest we have gotten to Bat-god, the man who you understand why even though he's not the leader of the Justice League, everyone looks for him to strategize in battle. Often to find out he has given himself one of the hardest jobs in secret. Still holding out hope that one day DC decides to let them do it as an animated movie, maybe even finish out the original plans for the Justice League. The normal budget for the movies they are making now is about 5 million from what I've heard, give it 10 million and there are enough Snyderverse fans to make a small profit from doing it.
Gunn is making the same mistake. His Batman already has a son. His Superman will have an established universe with his characters already.
@@DanielTorres-pw8il Are you seriously suggesting that people need an origin movie for Batman and Superman? Even people who haven't seen the movies, shows or even read the comics knows the basic origin.
People barley want origin movies for characters that they know nothing about because the formula became too repetitive. So they have started to find clever ways of starting their stories in the second act of their life. With some origin sprinkles to get you caught up.
The DCU is going to have to eat crow no matter what for it's first phase in terms of box office. It won't be until they show that they can release quality movies and shows in a row for the first part of the Gods and Monsters act that they will actually start to hit the respectable 700-800 million dollar range maybe by the end of it. Brave and Bold might hit 700 dollars but that is just because it's Batman.
And I say this as a hardcore DC fanboy who have enjoyed a lot of what DC has done in the last 10 years. But recognize that they fumbled the ball in a way I didn't think could be possible considering all they had to do was slam dunk inside a hoop that was the same height as a toddler.
@@dcworld4349 Not for me. But casuals cried about that and applaud Gunn when he does it.
I think whenever people say they don't like Ben Affleck's Batman they are talking about the writing rather than Ben Affleck himself, it's kinda like Henry Cavill as Superman they don't dislike Cavill they just hate the writing.
They got the look right but everything else was so garbage that who cares if they got the looks right look at everything else I hate Zack Snyder take on DC he was the wrong choice
@inyourelilsistersass5554 I agree Zack Snyder was a terrible choice for DC, he has come out and said that he hates superhero comics only liking stuff like Watchmen and The Dark Knight Returns. But Ben Affleck and Henry Cavill weren't bad choices they were clearly trying to make this godawful material work, I'm hoping in the near future they can come back and play Batman and Superman again with better material.
@@tylerbertram7065 it is why I worried about rebel moon story Zack Snyder is visionar he needs a something like David Goyer to cooperate
@@tylerbertram7065 I really loved JL Snyder Cutm MoS and BvS UE. Snyder tells his stories visually and he likes to show iconic comic book pages come to life. The thing is the external editing and cutting of these movies. They got dumped down. BvS especially. Major scenes for the plot got cut.
The casting Batman, Superman and Wonder Woman was great.
I, for real, appreciate the directions those characters had. Much different from what we got before and pushed the boundaries.
I also felt that the Bruce/Barry relationship felt very reminiscent of Tony and Peter
It’s so sad that we never got Ben’s Batman movie. From everything that came out about that movie, it sounds like it would have been phenomenal.
Yeah definitely agreed he's the most divisive.. I personally loved him & am glad Affleck was able to say goodbye to the character properly.
I think if he had his own movie, he would have really shined. The warehouse scene made me truly believe that. If he had his own movie, he could have really poured in the best Dark Knight.
The DCEU can be summed up as "great casting, bad writing."
Jason Momoa as Aquaman was maybe the best of them all. It made Aquaman not lame
For film, yes. But Aquaman was already made pretty cool in the New 52 comics run. Highly recommend it. Also, the Justice League cartoon made him pretty cool as well.
I loved having Ben Affleck play Batman. I just wish we got a solo Batman film before BVS to show him before he was unhinged . Also a Wonder Woman cameo/ teaser in the end credits would've of helped . The DCEU had so much potential . I'm just grateful for what we got and can't wait to see The Flash this weekend .
I love Affleck as batman I just wish he was given a good script and a solo movie
I believe the confusion that befell on Batfleck is the fact that the character starts out an an antagonist in BVS, then in Justice League starts the path of redemption. A very different take on the character.
No redemption for this version of Batman in either version of Justice League. As the so called nightmare future is entirely his fault. Because he is a duchebag that has to be right. By appearance perfection by actual character a total disaster.
@@matthewrosenthal753 well that is another point. Batfleck's arc is incomplete - after all we never got to see Affleck's The Batman or Justice League 2 & 3, which would've shown more development. Sadly, it awkward situation for this incarnation of Batman with no end or resolution.
The Bruce/ Diana dynamic, to me, is of two who had given up on the world, but needed to come out of their self imposed exile to save the world.
It’s all about the script - that’s why Ben needed to write his own Batman
He just got bad material
This is a dumb narrative it's not bad you just don't agree with what was written
@Shinobi Toby, how they written Batman was objectively bad.
@@shinobitoby
Yeah, it’s bad lol. He’s not gonna say ‘in my opinion’ constantly. I’m sure you’re smart enough to know he’s talk g about his opinion and most people would agree with him.
I agree
And the good ones had good material lmao
I loved him as Batman
I love Ben as Batman. Best Batman right beside Michael Keaton
I think the way batman changes isnt the first time he has faught with compassion, and more like this is how he was for years, but up intil recently, with death if robin, and superman arrival he turned into what we see in bvs, and in justice league its a return to form
I think Affleck as Batman/Wayne was excellent casting and all the potential was wasted on subpar material. He was never the problem with those movies. In fact he was often the best part of those complete messes of cinema.
no matter what you think of ben affleck batman he has one of the best live action batman fight scene.
Ben Affleck was the best Batman. The swagger, intensity, fighting style, the only thing holding him back is bad writing and the boner he had for killing people.
His Physique, His face, the way he acts, the way he fight, the way he crafted all of those gears, and his detective side. He's literally Batman
He was an awesome Batman
His suit was the best we've seen! His Bruce was good, and his batman was good. He we've been the best if he got used correctly, and got some solo movies.
I’ve always loved Ben’s Batman, partially because of how he looks. But also because he feels so different to any other version of the character. I view him as an alternate universe Batman, and it really works
It feels like a tragedy because he seems to have the brutal terrifying Batman down to a T and is one of the best portrayals of the character but the writing was so bad that it fooled everyone into thinking that he was bad for the role.
Really wish we had gotten a batfleck solo, maybe even a trilogy that showed what happened to Jason's robin
I feel like the only scene where Batman using a gun could have worked is the Knightmare sequence. It could have added a sort of shock value and showed how much of a dire situation the Justice League was facing where all bets were off.
The BEST BATMAN
Nice video, IMHO Batfleck deserved a solo movie, even if I adored Battinson's "The Batman" I still wish get had gotten at least one Batfleck... the Deathstroke story was promising, and Slade looked badass.
It could have also given Joker a chance to have a more flattering DCEU legacy than a butchered, messy cut of poor Ayer's Suicide Squad, and _one_ good scene in JL Snyder's cut.
Based on that scene, I wish we could have seen more of Leto's Joker; just get rid of the face tattoos, he can keep the others but just like in his last scene in JL, just remove the ones on his face and I'm actually good with his design. Somewhat.
Anyway, just a nitpick, but about Aquaman using Bruce's name in public...
Hasn't it been established in the tavern scene that most of them don't understand English? Which is weird IRL, since almost everyone speaks English in Iceland, but well, it's a very remote village full of old timers, so it's believable that they don't interact with strangers often, and wouldn't have the need to speak English to do business or to welcome tourists, and it's the Earth from DC where countries like Kahndag and Vlatava exist, so other countries are slightly different.
Plus, they're past the age of learning English via shitposting on 4chan, and binging a bunch of HBO shows
(And sure, the name "Bruce Wayne" sounds the same no matter where you're from, but it's much harder to catch names when you're tuning your brain to "gibberish" instead of hearing it in a context that makes sense)
And JK Simmons as Jim Gordon is in my top 3 reasons why I'm still bitter about *Batgirl* being cancelled. He is probably in a bunch of scenes, since his daughter is in the name of the movie...
(and sure, Brendan Fraser as Firefly probably kicks ass... and reason 3, Killer Moth makes his second live action appearance in that film, and we can't watch it... dang it. It will eventually leak I suppose, but meanwhile I shall complain )
Keep up the good work, Vee!
In terms of looks, I think he's the best one
Both in the suit and as Bruce
I wish we got a batman stand alone movie with him
Ben is my favorite Batman. I would have liked to have seen a stand alone movie of an old Batman..a rated R movie.
That’s very true!!
The problem to me was what Snyder tried to do with Batman, his age and part of the story were "The Dark Knight Returns" while the rest is a combination of "Worlds Finest" and "Death of Superman"; if it was just an adaptation of "DKR" could have been fine, but with the other ideas, doesn't work too well. If Affleck was younger when doing this and no DKR it could have been better.
Batfleck will forever be nr1
I enjoyed Affleck a lot more than i expected to, but i dont really like him overall. I used to be a Bale guy, but Pattinson really won me over as my number 1 by a slight margin. Moatly bc hes the only 1 who doesnt pull the "high class playboy" role and just sulks in the material like a much more realistic version of a man who would become a real lofe Batman
I love Ben Afflecks costume in the Flash movie and I love ur videos Vee and I am a huge Batman fan just like you
He did the best he could honestly I think he would’ve been better had his Batman not killed and didn’t get turned into a comedian in Justice League I liked how brutal his Batman was with the punches, gadgets, and slams you felt that pain he had the best suit and look imo
I like how aquaman says Bruce Wayne is batman in front of the whole Village and nothing happens
Also batfleck being a more dark batman isnt because hes always been that way, but because the repercussions of joker and harley killing Robin. So in turn he became ruthless or as andrew garfield spiderman says became bitter and stopped pulling his punches. But ofc after he forms the league he goes back to not killing
Ben Affleck is the best live action Batman ever
Not saying you're wrong bout Bats being forward of his identity but how many people kno his identity in the comics where he's been pretty forward. Batman used a gun to kill Darkseid!
In defense of him saying “Alfred” out in public a lot …. So did Arkhamverse Bats, and he was typically neck deep in chaos (granted when he’s not talking to Oracle)
I get the vibe that Zach Snyder wanted to have these characters BECOME who they're supposed to be. Wonder woman is a hermit, Flash is too jittery (but underconfident), Superman is brooding and untruthful of humans and... Batman kills and has lost hope in humanity. That's why I really liked the Snyder Cut, we finally got to see then mostly become who they're supposed to be.
He just always looked so awkwardly beefy in his costumes. I couldn't take him seriously, especially since he dwarfed Superman in height and width. He was just so goofily massive.
He’s the best live action Batman of all time. The hate comes from his association with Snyder. Some people can’t see beyond their noses.
Ben Affleck was the most comic accurate Batman I have ever seen, and thats coming from a dude thats been reading Batman since the 70s. If we would've got a solo movie Batflecks status as the best Batman would've be solidified. Yes he kills but that came after the death of Robin and he was on a redemption arc.
While I agree with the first part of this video, I will argue about people having complains that Batfleck uses guns and does things a Batman never should do. I would say it is not a bug, but a feature. I always felt that Batman in BvS was supposed to be anti-thesis of Batman. There is famous quote from Nietzsche "Beware that, when fighting monsters, you yourself do not become a monster... for when you gaze long into the abyss. The abyss gazes also into you." and Batman in BvS is the monster (hence I always assumed that capture of Deadshot happened before BvS). I always felt that either Snyder or Warner Bros. chicken out and it should be Batman to do the killing blow on Superman, just for dying Sups, on his last breath try to save Batman/Wonder Woman/Louis/Martha/humanity/Earth etc.
There was another video on TH-cam, I don't remember the author, who said that in BvS Batman is not Batman anymore, while Superman is not Superman yet. Just imagine that before BvS there was a movie with already broken, but still functioning Batman, where Robin urges Batman to kill the villains, so the problem will be solved once and for all, and Batman clinging with his fingertips onto his morality refuses, and eventually Robin is brutally murdered by someone that Batman had opportunity to kill at the beginning of movie and Robin urged Batman to do so. And then the movie could end with the opening scene of BvS where Bruce sees the City destroyed by Superman.
God, I didn't realize how fucked up the whole Deadshot thing was until you pointed it out. If that wasn't intentional, then goddamn. But if it _was_ intentional, then.... goddamn!
What an amazing and balanced video! Well done!!
If he had a solo movie (hell even trilogy) his Batman would have gone down as the golden standard of comparison for decades
You’re right
Flash rain, flash wind, flash lightning
Ben Affleck looks like Batman if he had been going to Dunkin’ Donuts a bunch
Batfleck!!!❤
Love your channel
In my opinion the best Batman actor was Clark Bartman in Batman Dead End.
He was the first Batman I feel I could not beat up in a street fight
Ben Affleck is my favorite Batman and he’s the one who made me like Batman as a hero and you don’t understand why Batman kills in BvS
Bens the GOAT eod!
Batman Ben Affleck aging being consumed by fear and anger where the death of his parents still haunts him.
Slowly crosses the line without realizing that it is becoming those who have in view to stop.
And at the end of the movie, Batman V Superman recovers his hope.
Through Superman, and becomes the hero he once was.
I get the feeling that I'm the only one who hasn't seen BVS
Why not?
I think Ben Affleck nailed the dark Knight returns version of Batman. Especially the fight scene between him, and Superman. The Batman side of BVS, Was great. The superman side? Not so much. would love to see ben in a live adaptation of the dark, Knight returns part one. Him versus the mutants, would be awesome. But it’s never gonna happen.
He’s the best. Batman is an angry person and distrusts many people. He got it right
Best Batman imo. He wasn’t in the best movies… at all. But as far as his performance as the caped crusader… I think he did the best job.
I liked his performance and presentation. Especially after watching Justice League the extended cut. He’s awesome. Just unlucky with the material he was given. Christian Bale, as pretty decent as his material is, never felt like my Batman. I never liked his voice, although acted well he overall bored TF out of me. And even tho I know it’s not his department, hate that suit too
Goatfleck: martha wont die tonight🫡
Honestly, I wish we got an Affleck directed Batman movie rather than a starring one...
Politely requesting that you invest in a proper studio mic for voiceovers. It sounds like you are using camera audio or are half way across the room.
I am using a blue yeti microphone.
@@VI_V2 so an entry level USB mic. that would explain the quality.
@@kcmedia83 what would you suggest ?
@@VI_V2 I have personally have had little success with USB and will always tout analog XLR. I’m sure there’s great USB options and maybe someone has suggestions but you’re almost better with an SM58 than what you have now. But I would suggest a Shure SM7B if it were up to me.
there are LOADS of times batman has used guns, even in recent adaptations of the character. Albeit he seemingly wouldnt aim a gun at people unless they were impervious to bullets, or used the guns in other fashions/safe ammunition. In batman no.259 bruce reveals to the SHADOW (which batman was based off of originally in the detective comics) why Bruce is scared of gun fire. Shortly before his parents were murdered, he witnessed when the Shadow prevented a robbery, and Bruce was traumatized by the gunfire from BOTH incidents. int his issue shadow attempts to give batman a gun multiple times but bruce refuses. It wasnt until issue no.457 (198 comics later) that they fully fleshed out the backstory about tom and martha, and was also the issue they added Laslie Thompkins, who was pretty much erased from batman history by the Post-crisis/new earth continuity.
This might be a hot take. Ben affleck, is a good actor, very good actor, the town was one of his best. Him as batman is good on paper, the looks, the bruce Wayne. But where it falls short is zach Snyders misunderstanding of the 4 comics he read for the movie. If he didnt completely butcher batman, he wouldve been one of the best, but if zach would've been smart and leaned into "this batman is different" this batman kills, he is completely different than comic book batman, or if he was blatantly a "different" batman, i think it would've been better and taken better by the fans. Zach Butchered the character whilst trying to play him off as the comic bruce, if he wouldve been clear about this batman being different than it would have been swallowed alot better.
Is this a Batman who DISCOVERED empathy and compassion late in the game, or a Batman who HAD those things earlier on but lost them when he lost Robin and rediscovers them here?
Also: I kinda get Batman's sense of humor in these films. YOU get introduced to the concept of world-ending aliens, then suddenly discover that your theories about metahumans is correct and suddenly meet a superhumanly-fast speedster, a real live merman without the fins, a literal Greek war goddess, and a young Terminator-wannabe mere days after not only coming to terms with the concept of alien life being real (and looking/acting just like us), but watching the first known alien lifeform dying right in front of you.
Eventually, part of your mind is going to shrug it all off and go, "F*ck it, whatever. I'm snarking my way through all this."
Además tienes un raro sueño del ser más poderoso del mundo destruyendo el planeta y parece estar siendo controlado por alguien mucho peor que el joker
You know showing Batfleck scenes from JL2017 is just like showing Ronaldo clips from a commercial, right??
Ben Affleck gave an amazing performance as the character and so far is the only one to actually match the actual physique of Batman for the big screen but the writing surrounding him was pretty terrible overall.
Have you done a Titans Bruce Wayne analysis yet?
idk how you could think hes good or the worst, hes like middle of the pack, right next to kilmer
Flash Rain, Flash Lightning
I thought Ben Affleck was visually perfect as Wayne and Batman. He had a distinguished "fatherly" look like Adam West, which made him seem more powerful and suave. But he also had the right height and build to be an intimidating Batman too. Probably the most physically imposing on screen Batman, ever. I think he was just cast in mediocre DC films which robbed him of the opportunity to truly shine in the role. Ben could've been the greatest onscreen Batman
best
The honestly perfect bruce Wayne
But wrong incarnation of Batman
He's never had his own movie. There's a reason for that.
He's neither the best or worst batman. Ithink he did a pretty good job with what he was given. Like him and Henry Cavill were the only reason BvS wasn't a walk out for me when I saw it in theatres.
Ben Affleck is aesthetically the best Batman ever put on screen, in and out of costume.
He physically looks the part more than any other actor who’s ever took on the role, and on top of that, he’s a damn good actor. He has moments of brilliance in otherwise awful movies. With better material, he’s easily the best live action Batman.
he is perfect Batman casting! it doesnt get any more comic accurate! Absolutely in a league of his own!
best
*Ben Affleck is a pretty damn good actor. His performance as the cape crusader was fine for the most part, but the problem that his character was so horribly written. It also didn’t help the fact that Warner Bros. completely rushed him in the DCEU universe without taking the time to properly tell his story.*
You nailed it. He was perfect for the role in terms of his acting ability and his look, both as Bruce Wayne and in the bat suit, its just a shame that none of that mattered if the script wasn't up to par, and the ones he was given rarely were.
What if instead he played Thomas flash point batman although I think Jeffrey dean Morgan would be awesome as Thomas Wayne
He’s good but he’s not on par w Keaton and bale, they have far more presence and personality.
What part of batman wasn't well written🤔?
Asking politely😐
@@moonknight4053 I used to think bale's batman was badass and scary before seeing batfleck. After recent rewatches he looks weak and goofy. His voice was terrebile especially in dark knight when he was speaking to joker after joker's plan failed.
And for keaton his movies focused more on the villans and he didn't have much time to act but he did great in the times he had. He is my 2nd fav batman.
Ben Affleck is the most comics-accueatw Batman as far as visually, and he had a very layered and interesting take. Frank Miller 's Batman on screen. I LOVED it. And personally, I consider him to be the best live-action Batman. (And so did Kevin Conroy.)
Kevin Conroy said Michael Keaton on the I Hear Voices Podcast (with Will Friedle) when asked who his favorite Batman was that wasn’t him or Will, when did he say Ben Affleck?
You’re just literally wrong on everything you just said holy shit. They should require people do mental health checks before their allowed to comment online
You feel better?? I hope yelling at strangers on TH-cam has made your weekend. And that you're able to tell all your friends how bad you got me. I've clearly been outclassed here... Oh, wait. This whole thing is over a matter of opinion, and personality attacking people you don't even know, just for thinking differently is dumb
I was serious about having a good weekend though. Cheers.
Totally agree! As teenager back in the seventies my favourite Batman in comics was drawn by legend Neal Adams. And what did we get in Movie? Tiny and stiff Michael Keaton! Frank Miller's Dark Knight! We get Val Kilmer and George Clooney! C'mon!!! And then: Nolan trilogy with great Chris Bale. But the best was yet to come: Batfleck. Best Batman incarnation on the big screen, we old fans have ever seen. But that's all my personal opinion - of course :)
@@josefhorndl3469 Neal was the MASTER! I actually got to meet him at a convention before he passed. And I got a commission of Batman and Robin from "The Dark Knight Returns". He couldn't have been nicer. Great, once in a lifetime experience!
He was the most intimidating Caped Crusader
Affleck fits the character perfectly. He exudes both Batman and Bruce Wayne. Unlike the other actors who looks good as Batman but is a misfit for Bruce or vice-versa. Kinda like Reeves for Superman/Clark, but I must say Henry does a good job too...
Love his Bruce Wayne
well henry was a good superman but as per clark kent he wasnt even trying to hide his superman presense even while wearing glass
@@anjan17 I agree with this. His Clark Kent was really obviously Superman, but I think that one's on the costume and makeup department. They should've changed his hairstyle and dressed him in more loose fitting outfits. Some contouring to make his facial structure appear a but different would've helped too
@@randot6675 not only that but they should have let him act as clark kent as well , he is more clark kent in his regular days than he was in this 3 movie
He is easily top 3 with Bale and Keaton. He is the most comic book-accurate Batman, brooding, intimidating, violent, dark and an excellent Bruce Wayne. What else is he supposed to do, crack jokes? Go campy? ZSJL and BvS are great dark movies. I don't get how anyone can be on the fence regarding Affleck as Batman. He nailed it.
Hey thats YOUR opinion and your entitled to it!People will disagree with you that's just how it is with everything in life.....
@@nihongochopsocky808 nobody said that disagreement was not allowed regarding someone's opinion
@fielalmanga When you say "You don't get how anyone can be on the fence about Affleck being Batman.He nailed it!"That's YOUR opinion he nailed it.But theres alot of people who don't think he did.We all got our favorites and I respect that.But imo Affleck and Pattinson didn't.There are things I do like about Afflecks version, I liked his portrayal in the Flash.
I don't like how he looks,too bulky, giant forehead, tiny ears,giant bat symbol
Snyder gave him a very shallow portrayal. I usually don't like referring to other videos, but The Closer Look gave by far the most comprehensive break down on what was wrong with Snyder's Batman: he doesn't exude enough of Batman's best characteristics to justify the character as Batman, appearance not withstanding. His compassion and intellect (like holy shit how do you fuck this up) just didn't receive enough justice, even though they're such integral parts ti his character. Then of course, Snyder's complete disregard for his moral code. Look, you can make your own version of grimdark edgelord Batman and have it work, but you need a damn good fucking reason beyond "muh realism muh edgy tone". Frank Miller's Batman stories worked because he handled this aspect of the Bat with the gravitas and respect it deserved: if you're going to make Batman kill someone, make it fucking matter. Don't just say "dude he went through sone shit bro" and have him mow down droves of petty criminals just to look cool, you need show the audience the justification for getting him to that point. Literally one of the most important rules to good fiction is "show, don't tell".
Batman Ben Affleck became more violent after his partner Robin's death.
Every batman in movies killed.
Also, Batman (Ben Affleck) stopped killing at the end of Batman V Superman.
The message of his arc is he becoming a hero again due to Superman's sacrifice.
"I failed him in his life. I will not fail him in his death." It was the fact that an alien was willing to sacrifice his life to save the world that reminds Bruce why he started doing this in the first place. It's why he makes the comment to Alfred that, for the first time in his life, he is going on faith. This shows comment was really meant to cement the fact he was not the same Bruce we saw through most of BvS.
I will agree that Josstice league handled his change poorly, but you cannot put any on that on Ben. It's clear when you watch both versions that he really enjoyed being Zack's Batman. Joss... not so much.
Bruh how many times are you gonna leave this comment? 💀.
When I first saw Ben Affleck as batman I loved it I loved how older her was he wasn't trying to be Micheal Keaton or Val Kilmer he was doing what he does best despite being old. His version was a much older Batman who has seen some bad things I picture him taking on Bane or Killer Kroc.
Yeah he's been through a lot in those 20 years
The fact that batman doesn't have a solo movie in the dceu will never make sense to me, like this is batman where talking about
Warner Bros Pictures new plan are woke garbage now no Cavill no Affleck but retared Ezra has his job 😂
@RobertK1993 they literally axed their highly anticipated Batwoman movie to pretend to save a buck. Just because you're dumb enough to fall for the propaganda, doesn't mean you should just announce that to strangers
It didn't happen because Ben Affleck had personal demons at the time and was adviced to not work on the movie further for his health. So he withdrew from the project. They later got Matt Reeves as the director who changed the original story and replaced Ben Affleck with Robert Pattinson.
He's my favorite Batman i don't care
I'm glad you pointed out how he is. The most accurate portrayal visually. The biggest issue for me is so much of what the character was as well as his supporting cast needed their own movie outside of the Justice League.
I think he did a great job overall
He’s my second favorite, and before Pattinson was my favorite live action Batman, I’ve always heard negatives about how he was written and never about his actual performance as Batman. Imo he did a phenomenal job, especially with what he was given, just the writing held his version back a little. Still love him as Batman, wish we could’ve gotten more with him
Hell, I'd put him near the top. His brutality in the warehouse takedown left a 'Dark Knight' taste in my mouth. He did a damn jood job.
The scene were Bruce(Batman) is looking at the costume of Robin. There’s something I never knew what I was looking at. I thought it was sadness but it was regret.
Yep. That scene is underrated. It’s part of why he’s so brutal now. Would have been a cool story arc to watch play out
Funny nowadays you can't seem to have your own favorite or your own opinion if you didn't like Batfleck or The Batman, people will call you names or want to argue!😂
I thought we as human beings can and should have our own tastes or opinions right!?!Sorry Batfleck never did it for me!My Batman will always be Micheal Keaton!I grew up at a time when Batman was so family friend thanks to Adam West and Hanna Barbera.Then in 1986, Frank Millers The Dark Knight Returns came out and 3 years later Tim Burtons Batman 89, then the 92 Batman Returns and Kevin Conroy in Batman the Animated Series! This changed everything and set up the Batman weve seen on screen since!It was the dark, goth badass Batman that wore the black armor!This was my Batman!
Zack Snyder wanted to tell the story of a Batman unlike everyone else before him.
A Batman who fell so low after 20 years in Gotham that became cruel and relentless.
The whole story of Batman is a hero again for the sacrifice of Superman.
Exactly! People seem to forget that very quickly. His story is 20 years down the road and killing for a reason. Don't get why that seems to go over people's heads or just want to ignore that fact and complain about killing or a bad script.
Batman does not kill people, I don't care how low he got. I don't care if the Joker sliced Robin's throat in front of him. He does NOT kill, period. Unless Snyder wanted to tell an Elseworlds story. The same with Superman. If he acknowledges that these aren't the canon version of the characters and he's making his own interpretations, then it's okay. That's why Injustice works so well. People know that's not canon, just another alternate timeline. Have as much fun as you want to tell these stories, no problem.
@@ventsislavstefanov9590 Plus, he has so much off screen development and we're expected to accept and care about this version of him without even getting to know him. Since he's late in his time as Batman.
How come people are so anal about Ben killing when every other fucking Batman has killed besides Bale and the new one and its inherently not canon to the no killing Batman from the comics because it's a movie not everything has to be comic accurate
@@ventsislavstefanov9590Batman shot one of the mutant gang members who was holding the kid threatening to kill them. In The Dark Knight Returns issue 2 page 11
Now that you mention it. He actually might be my favorite. But I also love the snyderverse. Which I know some people don't.
For me, it's Affleck. His Batman was a great blend of Frank Miller's Dark Knight Returns Batman, and the New Earth Batman post Killing Joke and Death In The Family.