UNCUT vs CENSORED - Batman Beyond: Return of the Joker
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The original "uncut" and alternate "censored" versions of "Batman Beyond: Return of the Joker" go head-to-head: what's the difference?
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2. The censored cut was the only available version of the film for a couple of years. The original version was re-edited because the Columbine massacre happened and it was studio mandated. The censored cut was released in 2000, the “original, uncut version” in 2002.
3. Yes, there is a THIRD version that combines these cuts, that seems to have aired in some countries outside the U.S. If anyone has a copy of this version, please let us know!
Lot of people like myself are going down you tube rabbit holes lately. Awesome vid by the way. Wonder why they changed Harley's appearance in the censored version? Did she look to much like granny from Looney Tunes?
TH-cam algorithms at it again!
@@JaredLS10
Holy shit yeah! She does! 😂
the algorithm has spoken!!
Jared Shaw I honestly liked the censored version better because it looked like her old costume. Black and red
I love the logic, "The death is too brutal... we want you to censor it."
"Well, we could have Robin causing the joker to be electrocuted to death off screen."
"That's fine, that's not too gruesome."
Would have loved to have been the fly on that wall during that conversation.
It's not about gruesome. One has a kid killing someone with a gun on camera, the other is an accidental death off camera. Gun violence is much more "real life" on top of having a child pulling the trigger.
@@pazuzu66613 But accidental tripping wouldn't have happened had Robin not pushed Joker.
I get the reasoning behind it, but the fact that they cut to a silhouette of his reaction to being electrocuted despite it being "off screen" made me terrified to watch that scene again for the longest time and I was 14 then. I don't think the censors quite understand that kid's are capable of extrapolating what's going on pretty well from watching a silhouette of a person that is being electrocuted. And for the record, I saw the scene again in director's cut two years after it came out... and I wasn't as scared... shut the original scene off due to being way too fucking scared to see it play it out fully.
I reckon I'm not the only one who feels that way too.
It wasn’t purely about “gruesomeness”. The death scene was changed out of respect of the recent columbine massacre... also, im calling cap that you were 14 and couldn’t handle an off-screen death of a cartoon supervillain. Cap cap cap
One version makes Tim straight up kill him the other makes it seem like it was accidental but yeah it was brutal
I don’t think the electrocution was accidental. Tim was still in JJ, and he wanted to end Joker. He knew what he was doing, and that Joker would slip. After what that monster did, that boy wanted him to have a taste of his own medicine.
You forgot one:
Uncut: "She was able to help Tim back to sanity."
Censored: "She was able to help Tim back to himself."
Confusing dialogue
God forbid kids hear the word "sanity" 😱😱😱😱😱
@@you-5-iver804 I think it was more about the idea of a young kid being driven to madness being disturbing for younger viewers.
I owned the censored version on VHS and watched it dozens of times as a kid. Needless to say I was confused as hell when I watched it on HBO Max last year. At first I thought I was imagining the changes until it got to the Joker death scene. Thought I was losing my mind lol
Dawg, same
So HBO Max uses the uncensored version? Good to know.
@@anueutsuho7425 The censored version is pretty much impossible to find unless you have a VHS of it. Ever since it released the only version WB ever rereleases is the uncut version.
Either way, Tim's transition from laughing to crying will forever be truly haunting.
BUT the gun in still in the censored edition LMAO
Never really noticed how, during the censored version of Joker's death, Batman smiles when Tim drops the gun and Joker frowns/gnashes his teeth as Tim points at them and laughs. I'm pretty sure it's one of the only times Batman smiles in the entire movie.
Batman never smiles.
Confirmed: Censored version is not canon.
Come at me.
@@Smeginator Tell that to the Static Shock crossovers
That smile was a sign of relief to know that Tim is still himself fighting the brainwashing. A big character moment for Batman.
Batman who laugh
"one of" yeah wow one of the only times he smiles in this short movie wow
This was hella interesting to see. So many little details I never noticed.
This was very interesting to see. So many little notes I never noticed.
*Hella and Details replaced.*
omg wow its lythero. the funny youtuber who makes mainly the best dbfz content.
Well hey there
LEE?
That's right and details that have been omitted
Honestly, having gang members say "Ice" instead of "kill" adds more personality to them
It feels like cyberpunk lingo, like saying iron instead of gun. It adds some personality to the world
@@rexthewolf3149 A big iron on his hip?
@@rexthewolf3149bruh... Iron has been a term since like the 20s, the fuck do you think guns were made of?
@@nataliealphonse4634 Iron dipshit, I was playing Cyberpunk at the time and that’s I commented that.
Better than the spiderman show from the 90s that had to say destroy insread of kill.
I’ll always remember the way joker and Batman had blood trickling out their mouths in this movie; just made it more serious and compelling to watch as a kid. Had no idea there was a censored version
Same, I remember watching the uncensored version on Cartoon Network as a kid.
@@robin1016 yes bro anytime I seen that shit on the guide it was an instant watch
Wow, they actually animated two different deaths for the Joker. Thats some dedication right there.
They had to. It was a mandate
"C'mon, deliver the punchline.." WHY WOULD U REMOVE THAT AMAZING LINEEEE
Because, when he says 'deliver the punchline', he's giving Tim the go ahead to shoot batman as the final joke, batman being killed by his own adopted son.
By saying instead 'make him one of us' it's verging away from suggesting to the audience joker wanting batman dead and instead just to jokerize him, which the censors deemed more kid friendly.
@@MrOrcshamanBut "deliver the punchline" can mean anything in that situation, not just kill, and he's the joker, that's the perfect thing for him to say.
@@TheDaxter11 look at the scene, it's been reviewed countless times, and almost everyone agrees the joker wanted to end it there. The punchline is the jokers sadistic way of delivering the ultimate twisted joke, that is wasn't him who killed batman, but Batman's own adopted son. That was the punchline, joker was prepared to end it and wanted the final joke to be his.
@@MrOrcshaman I honestly find jokerizing MORE traumatic. Especially the joker venom formulas that make you laugh to death. Still no clue why censors think somebody laughing until they either suffocate, break their ribs and pierce their lungs, or til their heart stops is LESS gruesome than a quick death
Censored joker's death is way more gruesome IMO.
its also has less impact.
Totally.
yes when the censored death happened I was shoked more than him getting shot with a "bang!" dart that was crazy.
You think so? Perhaps. But it's less poetic. There's no split second tension with it, and Tim didn't directly kill him.
And man, you miss those just beautiful last words.
"That's not funny... that's.. not..."
Oh man, it's perfect. The cables and slipping seem like an incredible cop-out to me.
I would have liked to see it in the uncut version and watch actually him get electrocuted. I love the joker, but I think it would have been cool to see him cry out in fear and agony, similar to how many of his victims spent their final moments. And you would see that realization in his eyes until life left him.
Possibly sanity/remorse returning to him too late.
Idk something I've pondered after seeing both versions.
While I hate censors in general (especially since the un-cut violence is already rather tame all things considered) It really humors me when they actually make the scene...more horrifying. Joker shooting Bonk and instantly killing him is way more humane then letting him choke in laughter from joker-gas.
Yeah, and which is more gruesome?
Getting shocked or getting shot
To be fair though Robin laughing as he breaks down and shoots Joker is way more disturbing than him just running at him
Agreed the censored version just made things more horrifying while the original feels more simple
Historically Joker toxin has been non-lethal in the series. They completely removed the body disposal scene, so he isn't explicitly dead in the censored version.
Pretty sure Joker Toxin is what killed Salvator Valestra in Mask Of The Phantasm, although he was old and had problems breathing so laughing uncontrollably would probably be deadly for him
I think the funny part is that people dont seem to realize all the parts where the Bat symbol shows up in the Censored version is technically supposed to be a jumpcut to where the next part starts.
Yep, for the video purposes, that's what that is.
Seatbelts added
Yeah at first I was like "I do not remember seeing just the signal for 5 seconds when I watched this on tv as a kid"
Ya I realized that because theirs no point in just putting a symbol in the middle of the fight
It's to add run time so they can add more ads obviously
1:42 is SIGNIFICANTLY more terrifying in the censored version, being Joker venomed into laughing to death? jesus.
Agreed. Like, how did the people who worked on this agree that would be tame enough for the censored version.
Agreed. It also feels like one of the more Joker like moments for the character using his trade marked laughing gas. (Yes I know the spear guy is also from the comics but the gas just has more panache).
I agree but on the other hand, killing a coworker/ colleague without hesitation and in cold blood could also be seen as “brutal” since bonk was Ann asset to the team
For those thinking "A Gun shot is way less horrifying than electrocution" you kinda missed the idea of the scene, this was Robin taking a Gun and killing the Joker in cold blood before breaking down crying. Robin had thrown him back to try and defend Batman but the Joker accidentally killed himself, that wasn't a cold blooded murder, it was an accident. Seldom do we see a Hero, a child nonetheless, murder the villain in cold blood to defend someone else. This wasn't to make the Joker's death less horrifying, it was to make the lengths Tim was willing to go to clear if it meant protecting Bruce, even against Joker's Reprogramming
It’s hard to argue cold blood when Joker was attacking Batman.
Yes I agree. In the censored version, Robin didn't really kill Joker, Joker killed himself by accidentally grabbing the wrong lever. In the uncut version, Robin intentionally aimed the shot.
I like the uncensored version better because it’s more in line with what someone would do if they were tortured and drugged for days before being made to murder their adoptive father figure by their tormentor. Robin sees that in that moment the only way out is to end it. joker gave him the gun, Bruce can’t save him because he’s been stabbed and cut up. So robin breaks Batman’s one rule to save himself and Batman, and then he breaks down because killing someone is traumatic unless you’re a sociopath.
They are both A threat at the same level of horror
No
Bonk's demise in the censored version seems more like Joker letting his victims die with a smile 😄
As long as he had parachutes and his arm grows back in the next dimension.
renji90998 Well this isn't the same Joker. Joker is more darker in this.
lol DBZ.
More like making them die with a smile.
Hence the phrase "going out with a smile".
Joker's death on the censored version is cooler, but the uncut is more important to the story
How is the uncut more important?
@@capitatecab6049
Because Tim is the one to pull the trigger and thus kill Joker.
While in the censored one the death was an accident.
Even tho I personally like both versions
Exactly
Gotta agree with the Nostalgia Critic, I think Joker in the Censored version would almost be *proud* that he went out in the equivalent of slipping on a banana peel, just for the comedy of it.
@@Blazieth A killing joke
Kudos to the artists for not it just editing the original concept but to redraw new scene, that’s commitment.
Joker's death in the censored version is much more shocking.
Haha I see what you did there
The uncensored one was more heartbreaking though
@@paolopasaol9700 ayyy
Like Electrocutioner boss fight
@@paolopasaol9700 🤨🤨🤨🤨🤦
One thing I'll say about the censored version: in the home movie we see the Joker's surgical tools, and then it cuts to Batman looking horrified. The electrocution in the uncut version was pretty bad, but in the censored version, my imagination really ran free as to what was horrifying Batman.
That's exactly the problem with jokers censored death too
Your mind imagines the worst possible thing to go with what your hearing
The electric fusion was in the censored version and the uncut version he was shot
I remember watching a version with all the uncut stuff but Bonk gets shot by the Joker with the laughing gas in the version I remember. Is it just me who remembers this or nah? When Terry goes to the Batcave I remember it being purple too. I also forgot just how fucking heartbreaking and earth shattering the whole Batman rescuing Robin scene is. This movie was so dark and it was awesome
JigglyChocolateman I was thinking the and thing, I was like I swear I watched the uncut version cause of the way the joker died, and I'd honesty never seen the joker get electrocuted in this movie. But I also remember Bonk dying the way he did in the censored one lol
i think that's how the vhs was cut, if you watched it through that
On TV it was censored, I never saw the uncut version
JigglyChocolateman It seems to me you saw both versions and it’s just your mind mixing the two together since both movies are very similar regardless of the censorship.
SAME
As much as the uncut version is the best, I honestly have to commend them for working extra hard to create a censored version. Honestly the seat belt scene should have been in the uncut. Who drives without a seat belt lol. I don't even remember ever seeing the censored version when I was little. I always remember being so shocked to see blood as well as seeing joker die in what was once a kids WB show. Great memories. This show as well as its predecessors was the reason why I loved batman. Nowadays, I never see a reason to keep up with everything. These shows always kept it nice and neat. :)
"Who drives without a seatbelt?"
People who need to quickly drop out of their flying car like a paratrooper at a moment's notice.
Thalanox
But shouldn't they have an auto-release seatbelt mechanic for when they exit? Better than crashing because you get knocked around everywhere
What if "auto-release" would fail? Those are goddamn heroes, not a typical citizen people who should mandatory use them. Nonetheless, they out them nicely.
HowSplendid8 Bruh it’s the future seatbelts are such a thing of past. Get with the times kid lmao
Might I add this takes place in the future. I'm sure the cars have some sort of tech that functions the same way as a seat belt that phased out the need for them.
The differences between Joker's uncut and censored death, are arguably one of the biggest and most interesting differences between the two versions.
It's like watching two separate realities of what happened. With the uncut version being were the Joker technically won. He torture and brainwashed Tim Drake so badly, that he was left a broken, crying mess after taking the Joker's life.
In the censored version, however, Tim's will proved stronger as he resisted and then fought back against the Joker.
I personally prefer the original. It just hits so much harder and has a better parallel
@@bestaround3323yeah I can see that. Personally, I prefer the censored. Getting shot in the chest sucks, but being electrocuted? Holy moly is that hell. The brain doesn't process it the way we see it. To him, he fried for years and years. I think Tim intentionally did it which really shows he fell.
@@MerlinTheCommenterit doesn't feel like years, what are you talking about?
Also the Joker is no stranger to pain, wouldn't bother him
Censored version is so haunting specially joker’s agonizing scream
Oh my lord, did they really just censor the word “Fart”? That’s like replacing the word toilet with “can”
"Remember kids: when you're saving Gotham, always wear a seatbelt."
6:30 The uncontrollable laughing to uncontrolled crying is so sad :(
Censorship: You need to make the deaths more appropriate for kid viewers.
Batman Beyond Creators: Fuck you, I’ll just make them darker.
I just came here from Dorkly's video on censorship in Batman.
ADP1998 same but I have seen this before I am just rewatching it
the coloring change was interesting for the harley scene. I wonder why? maybe the original version test screenings fans were not clear on who it was.
+Steelbreeze420 The only written information I could find for that particular change just stated it was to make the Harley identity more obvious. I personally prefer the ambiguity until Dee Dee says "Nana Harley."
Yeah that's weird and also the girls from that corner, I think it still looks like prostitution, even if it's a guy and girl haha
+qwe6348 Actually it doesn't. I You notice how much more clothes the girl is wearing. (Really they went all out with the redress. Just looks like some people on the corner in my mind.
God bless everyone.
they clearly think kids would be too stupid to realize that nana harley is an old geezer version of harley quinn.
@@dcauwatchtower I wondered about the color change. We have an explanation.
Batman Beyond: Return of the Joker "Uncut" is awesome and dark.
-Just like how a Batman story should be.
MrFedoraFilm Yea but then there’s BvS and that’s just as shit movie
The Gas kill and Harley with a red sweter is a cool thing
There’s still a place for campy and comedic Batman stories imo
Nice video. Loved the layout of the vid and the music. Superb job.
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Love the videos, keep it up, especially the intro and outro music.
I wish they wouldn't censor things out to such levels, old cartoons used to have blood and death but now that is reserved for uncut versions and adult cartoons. sad.
Wow didn’t know the differences between the uncut and censored versions were this comprehensive. Thought it was mainly just Joker’s death.
This is a really well put together video!
I'll always remember the night at Walmart in 2004 when I saw the Uncut DVD on sale, having no knowledge of the cuts made.
That first watch of the Uncut version was a breath taking experience (considering I probably watched the VHS version about 50 times) and I'm glad they put it out.
the only thing that makes any sense in the censored version is Nana Harley's color change, it's a nice visual allusion. there also allot of irony in censoring "fart", with how so many cartoons that came out during and after the time had fart jokes out the metaphorical wazoo...
I think the color change is spelling it out way too much. Not to mention, there's no reason she would always need to wear red and black. I don't know. Silly.
They did it to make it more obvious to younger viewers which is In my opinion very insulting. Seriously the moment the dee dee twins called her nana Harley was more than enough to give away that it was harley quinn. Not to mention the voice of young harley and nana harley were only different by the later sounding like an older version of the younger.
I think the seatbelts make sense too...
I think the seatbelts make sense too...
@@mistresskixen6142 so I've seen a bunch of comments like yours. I've also seen a lot of people saying that even with the color change they still didn't get that it was Harley Quinn. Sooo I don't think it was meant to be insulting just something to try and make it more clear.
Cutting out the less impactful initial punches but keeping the overall sequences is pretty damn genius.
No, it doesn’t , all it just shows is how studio executives are censoring out the action and violence of fighting cause kids are watching .
@@rivermoore6179 I think what they were saying is that admits studio mandates and censorship, the animators were able to find creative ways of maintaining the intensity of the fight scenes while having to cut out some of the punches.
idk death by electrocution seams worse than just a simple gun shot to the chest
More painful but less realistic
The scream joker let out in electrocution was bone chilling
The gun shot was more graphic while the electrocution death was more speculative. (whether the Joker died or not as they omit anything related to death in the censored version)
You wish it was just a simple gunshot and I can guarantee you haven't had something sizeable partially lodged into your body because it is unfathomably painful. Especially if it's piercing, and potentially shattering, your sternum.
It's not how horrific the death is; the censors didn't want a kid pulling the trigger on that gun to kill the Joker. Whereas the electrocution is an accident. Robin gets him covered in water and tangled in the wires, but the actual electrocution is due to The Joker slipping in the water and reaching out for something to catch himself on, and grabbing the lever.
People who prefer the censored Joker death are insane!
1. It happens off screen, while the uncut death happens on screen
2. Uncut death clearly shows that Joker is dead, so it makes Joker being alive in the future even more miraculous.
3. Joker viciously slashes Batman across the chest, so it is way more believable Batman is on the ground incapacitated. In the censored version he just fell off some bricks and he hasn't taken any other damage up to that point. Seeing the censored version, I was like "why is Batman just laying on the ground at the Joker's mercy, is his spine broken?"
4. Uncut has blood coming off both Batman and Joker, a testament to how brutal their fight has been up to this point.
5. "Deliver the punch-line' is a much better line and straight to the point. Joker wants Batman's death to be an elaborate joke. Batman being impaled by his own ward as the "punch-line" to not only the joke, but Batman's entire career, is super effective writing! "Make him one of us" doesn't make sense, the gas would make Batman into a mind controlled zombie just like Robin? Obviously not, that took weeks of peeling back the layers of the boys mind. So what is Joker saying,? That if Batman dies by laughing gas that is the same thing as being the Joker or JJ? Make him one of us is really vague and not nearly as effective.
6.. Tim having to make a snap decision, breaking his programming for just a second, and shooting the Joker makes his struggle much more dramatic. Throwing the gun aside, and consciously rushing the joker and pushing him (because punching would be too violent) makes it seem like the programming was not that strong and he could just do whatever. The physical immensity of his transformation is much weightier in the uncut.
7. In the censored Robin is just, i don't know, trying to delay the Joker until Batman can recover? In the uncut he has to decide, kill Bruce or kill Joker. That is the only reason he is able to break his programming, because the Joker is trying to make him do the impossible. Much more impacful.
8. Killing Joker outright would mess Tim up way more than than pushing him into a puddle and electrocuting by accident. Makes Tim's ordeal he suffers even more harrowing and the guilt he feels in the future even more real.
9. Most importantly, "That's not funny! That's not....." *dead*
PERFECT line for the Joker to go out on! Like there is no better last word from the Joker. It's all a laugh riot when inflicting pain on others, but when it's time for his ticket to get punched, all of a sudden the laughing stops! Not so funny when he is the one to suffer. Forget the 8 other points above, this null and void makes the uncut death 10x better than just an off camera scream.
Completely agree.
One line: That actually is... pretty... funny.
If you know where that's from, kudos.
tcrpgfan Which fits that situation perfectly
@@iReiGNxx Exactly. On top of that it portrays the idea that Joker, while he was a monster, had a deeply personal and complex relationship with his Batman. Not a good one, but dammit it earns the somber ending it had. Compared to here where their relationship is a bit more simplified.
@The Swarm Actually, for Harley, you could have put 'Victim in an abusive relationship.' While still in the relationship, she doesn't see the flaws, but when she gets out, she has to acknowledge that there were flaws from both parties.
I didn't get the building reference until I realized the lights were off on the censored version
I’m confused explain?
@@тонкийчлен since these were kids cartoons, the edited versions made sure the buildings destroyed were empty thus no lights. If lights were on, people were killed. You have to slow it down to catch it.
@@ruKUSS_.117 ohh ty for explaining
Damn. I knew the major stuff like the knife and the blood but never knew there was that much edited. The seat belts cracked me up though.
I actually still own the censored dvd of the film. Man I’ll never forget the amount awesomeness I felt watching this all those years ago. Uncut or censored, this film got me hooked on Batman Beyond.
That background TV dialogue in the uncut version.... i feel it on a spiritual level
I kinda wanna see a revamp cut where they keep most of the cut sequences of the og with the added fixes in the censored version but the major change i really wanna see is a spliced version of the flashback where we keep the joker's original monolog for the brainwashing tim electrocuting scene but with the censored cut's electrocution death for the joker as it would tie all three instances of electrical energy together into one thread of cause and effect. Like poetry, it rhymes: Joker shocks tim, tim causes Joker to shock himself, and terry shocks the joker out of Tim's body. It all fits together in one bug sequence and wraps it up in a nice big bow, so im keeping that cut as my heart canon for how the moment truly went in the dcau. Thank you for coming to my tedtalk
Check out our much more recent video all about the production of this movie as well! 😁
Glad to be able to say I've always watched the uncut version.
Damn, Harley Quinn's granddaughters are really hot.
They're probably like 15
Na there probably 16 or 17 which wouldn't matter in the UK haha and oh yeah there animated anyway.
"Damn, Harley Quinn's granddaughters are really hot."
Totally agree.
Harley Quinn is really hot.
agreed
I have copies of both versions, but your video really highlighted things I overlooked. Awesome job!!
Awsome job bro! The uncut version is better in every way, cept for the damn seat belts... That actually bothered me. Do people in the future like not wear Seat Belts??? Found out that in Terry's time I'm like 40... Damn I'll be old as fuck! Haha, but then that would mean Batman (Assuming he's around his late 80's) would be like 50 - 60 right now as of 2016.
Right. 2019 is when Bruce hangs up the cowl and quits being Batman, in this timeline. So we're not too far off...
It would be cool if in 2030 - 2040, they have a live action Batman Beyond movie. That would do Batman so much Justice and respect!
The fact that they added seatbelt were funny XD
Nah, This Universe always made an amalgamation of time eras, they never had specified ages or time.
Hmmm 1992 huh? One of the writers once said Batman during the animated was aged around 32, which doesn't give us a definitive age, but we'll just say he's 32 for the sake of this thing, this would make Batman 79 in Batman Beyond, possibly 80 on his birthday. Which means Bruce retired at age 59, possibly 60. In 2049 when Terry is older and takes complete responsibility and accepts Bruce as his real biological father, Bruce would be around 90 years old, which makes sense looking the way he did, however it kind of contradicts Static's quote "60 being the new 40". In 2079, batman would be 120, which is possible, but we're gana go ahead n say... He's dead. Supposedly Superman is 3 years older than Batman, despite his younger looking appearance. But it makes sense because in 2039, Superman seems to have aged very little and looks around the age of a man in his late 40's. So assuming he keeps that up, there is no doubt Superman is still alive in 2079, and is barely that of a man in his late 50's or early 60's. N knowing Superman, even at that age, he may not be in his prime but he is more than likely not retired and can still kick ass. I would assume by that time, Terry is either retired as Batman Beyond or is like Satic says barely in his 60's which is the new 40's and still fighting crime. The only character that I can honestly think of that outlasts everybody and has probably not aged a bit, is Martian Manhunter, who I remember someone saying he was over like 3,000 years old or something like that idk, his kind lives a long ass time. So ya... Ha in 2021, Terry is born... "Sigh" I'm so old.
Holy shit James, how have I not seen this video on this channel at any point in the past six years since you posted it? This deserves to be an extra on the freakin' blu-ray! And henceforth it shall be an extra listed in my media server with the movie.
Hey thanks!
I'm glad I grew up watching the uncut version. I can understand those who like the censored but to me the uncut is just so amazing epecially Joker's monologue reveling he knows Batman's secret identify. That's just classic right there.
I grew up watching the censored version (I'm 26 and was about 11 when I saw it for the first time) but now I prefer the uncut one
Gee, it's so hard for my tender childhood mind to conceive that THE JOKER could do something terrible to a person working against him; so it's a good thing they omitted the fact they used shocks and serums on him. I don't think my fra-gee-lay heart could take it!
Also, does anyone else thing the obvious electrocution the Joker suffered in the censored version would probably have hurt him a lot more than that quick dart thing to the chest? Sure, it was off screen, but you still heard him scream and sizzle. Way to go censors.
Interesting results. Things don't always happen as we want them. Lol.
I would argue that the censored version of the Joker's death is far more brutal then then uncut one.
Yes, they don't show him being electrocuted, but I find the implication of it and the distant screams of the Joker dying to be far more terrifying...
+Crewe on the Sofa Agreed. It is much more haunting. I grew up watching the censored version not knowing there was a different version, and when I finally found and watched it, I was disappointed by the death scene change. I think both versions of his death are impactful and gasp-worthy in their own ways. The shooting of the Joker was replaced due to a mass shooting that took place mere months before the release of the film, hence the alteration.
I find the uncut version to be more logical however. Also, one huge difference between them is Tim Drake kills the Joker, or the Joker's own clumsiness kills him. Though, I do think the censored one was a little more chilling.
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Yeah, it's definitely an significant story element.
No it’s not , all it just shows is how the studios are trying to make it more kid friendly , are you a kid ?
When i first saw that movie it was the censored edition, years later i wanted to see it again and didn't realize it was the uncut edition until i saw the joker die with a bang, i had no idea there was so much censorship until then.
I like the uncut version but for me the censored death of the joker is the best one, that's the scene i always remember from the movie. Great video by the way ;)
There's so many things make me say "Why?". Like the cloth color on grandma Harley and the seatbelts.
In my opinion, I think that censored joker is much scarier than uncensored joker. being vague in his threats and calling what he did to robin a makover... it just seems like what the joker would do.
Never relised all the changes, always just thought it was joker amd bonks deaths. Gotta say I like all the additional scenes, but I like the edited versions of the deaths better, the jokers edited one mirrors how he dies to terry. and bonks laughing Gass death I just like more, doesn't make sense him dying by impalement but smilling like that. Such a great film tho, I think it may actually be my favorite batman movie.
It impaled his heart
This nigga special
Dom Longo I prefer the censored version of jokers death cuz its alot creepier and darker
Dom Longo yeah the laughing gas for bonk makes alot more sense. but i like jokers censored death, but i see your point as well
I find some of these changes interesting. I suppose I like the uncut for the extra violence and souped up fight scenes, but I also enjoyed some of the censored. Such as I didn't enjoy the entire censored death of joker, but the fact that batman smiled because Tim had the courage to throw a gun away I found pretty neat. The harley color change I found fine as well and probably cause I'm a Texas guy but click it or ticket lol XD
The problem I had with the censored version was that it made Terri look like he was almost the perfect fighter (not taking too many hits from the villains, and looking like he's doing all the work, which is what the censored version did by editing out footage), but in the uncut version, it shows him getting hit a lot more, showing he still has a lot to learn and it just seems more natural for someone who hasn't done this as long as Wayne has.
Zeph_1000 yea definitely agree, forgot about that.
the uncut harley color made it more like she had completely left her old life behind but the final cut she was wearing her old colors
I think the reason that they kept Harley's colors in the censored version, is because it was meant for kids, rather than teenagers/adults like the uncensored version. Teenagers/adults would have no problem picking up who the grandmother is, (Harley Quinn), but for childern, a visual clue might be helpful, if only to confirm to them what they think...
JJskywalker / The League of Idiotic Gamers I'm still scratching this scene at 3:32...this scene...doesn't make sense at all...
I chuckled at the censored version where they added in seat belts when Terry was driving the car. Safety first, Batman!
My goodness! the effort to detail what's probably every single difference between the uncut and censored is fantastic. You, my good sir or ma'am, have earned my like.
I have to hand it to them, they didn't skimp on the censored death scene. They could have just cut to Batgirl hearing a shot and that be the end of it. The animation of Joker slamming into the tanks and getting doused was really (pardon the pun) fluid, and that's a lot for an added scene.
Why did they change the old lady's color?
The old lady is Harley Quinn. There is no officially specified reason for the color change, but it can be speculated that this was to make it more obvious to younger viewers who the character is.
I know people who still didn't get it even with the color change.
Harley isn't Dead?
It's just kind of funny they do that even though the twins say "Ah shut up, Nanna Harley!"
To not make it as obvious it's harley and to maje it clear that after joker died she went normal
Okay yeah... I know the plot changes are the more important part but I personally think the twin attack sequence at 0:55 is dope as hell and a shame to cut.
2:29 Why aren't the characters from the uncut version wearing seat belts? Safety is not just for kids XD
One of the best "Behind-the'Scenes" trivia of all the shows/movies of the Timm-Dini animated Batman era was since they couldn't show death outright on screen, the creative team made sure what they could show was even more unsettling than simply being shot or stabbed to death.
Jesus I had no idea there was so much cut content. I’ve just never seen the censored version I guess because the amount of punches they omitted didn’t leave much of the scene to even tell the story.
Stay tuned for our next video, coming very soon, all about WHY the changes were made!
I'm from Latin American, from Paraguay to be precise, and from what I see, the uncut version dubbed into Latin Spanish was broadcast here.
Aun asi, por Tooncast y Latele creo que pasaron la version censurada.
The seat belts. Changes the entire dynamic.
No, really.
Bruce is too paranoid to wear them, and Terry is too immature. Shows real development as people If they are willing to work past their egos for their own betterment.
Especially when half the vehicles are flying at unholy speeds around buildings and other flying cars. How are Terry and ace not Salsa while untethered in the Batplane?
It reminds me of the lego batman movie and the classic 66 batman where it was a problem for the studio not to have seat belts for the Batmobile
I'm glad they redesigned Joker for the movie. That weird beady-eyed mime face would've made it hard to take him seriously.
I really like the alternate Joker death scene. Shooting him was too easy. There needed to be a struggle between Tim and The Joker. No matter how he brain washed him, he still was Robin deep down and The Joker killing himself in his own blind anger.
The whole censored version just remind me to How it’s for made for kids and people like you have a mind of child .
@@rivermoore6179 excuse you?
Joker in BTAS: mostly harmless lunatic
Joker in ROTJ: psycho and killer
Safe to say the best thing the censored version has over the uncut is the fact that Harley gets her distinct coloration for her clothes when she grabs Dee and Dee.
I agree with the seatbelts. They should always be worn in a moving vehicle.
Especially a flying one that regularly gets blasted at, slammed into, and carries mutated passengers
@ 8:33 gave me a laugh, must have those seat-belts on.
Yea
lol "gotta avoid those surprise lawsuits"
Must also have a chair to sit on
Does anyone else think that the Joker's censored death is way more gruesome than the original uncut version?
More gruesome yes...
But such a dumb way for them to die
@@PatternLand poetic...actually... and it kinda reflects the irony of how he gets killed again later...Ben Franklin's gift to the world!!
Not to mention the ole banana peel slip prank ....Joker probably laughed his way to hell on that one. the gunshot? " Well that wasn't supposed to happen..."
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Man, this movie must have been a nightmare to re-edit!
It's crazy how even the littlest things were changed.
Holyshit. That censorship is insane
Everyone who says the censored death of Joker is superior: You are plain wrong. He slips and kills himself out of clumsiness. How is that a fitting end? In the original ending he dies by his own creation. Tim is driven to insanity and horrifyingly, he seems to be aware of what happened to him. Which is why he kills Joker. He crosses the one line Batman never did, because he realizes that what Joker did to him can never be erased. The censored ending redeems Tim and suggests that everything will be alright, the uncensored ending shows that the kid is too far gone and he won´t be alright. Joker won.
His death from his own foolishness is more ironic which is strangely fitting for the joker
Yeah, Joker would appreciate a death by the equivalent of slipping on a Banana Peel, if only for the comedy of it, but Tim being the one to directly pull the trigger is *way* more important to the story.
Him slipping was also caused indirectly by Tim creating the mess he slips in to begin with. Tim is still responsible for his death in the censored version, just indirectly.
@@BlazeIgnitus That's still only indirect. The uncut version has Tim personally, directly pulling the trigger. Tim shot Joker dead in the uncut, and that level of personal responsibility hits a lot harder, and is important.
Even if Tim caused the mess by pushing Joker into the glass and breaking it to spill the water, it's still the Joker who slipped, and reached out for the lever. Tim didn't pull the trigger, he just handed the Joker the gun.
@@Blazieth the uncut death just seems too fast and it doesnt feel like he should be traumatized for years about it, the censored one felt like his own rage led to his death, and accidental deaths that happen like that affect heroes more than a direct killing tbh he felt responsible for it and it haunted him for years.
Wow the uncensored is a completely different they really had to make a lot of new animations I'm surprised by the amount of work that went in normally it's a simple cut. This are actually adding new frames
One of the few things that actually makes sense here is the addition of seat belts, seriously they are not only to keep you from becoming a meat crayon but especially in a plane or vehicles that go really fast they keep you attached to your seat so you stay in position in sharp turns etc. I mean race drivers use something closer to a harness than a regular seatbelt partly for this reason.
At about 7:15 wasn't there also an altered line about "Robin getting his sanity back" versus "Robin coming back to himself" or something like that? Amazing job as usual, Watchtower.
3:32 those were the same street walkers from the Ultimate Thrill (the Roxy Rocket episode) the blonde one looks like Black Canary.
I noticed that too. When I first saw it, I made a joke and said, "damn, thank goodness she met Green Arrow."
"ok, so we'll have a scene where a kid gets tortured beyond recognition and many people die from a death beam, but I'm not sure about showing so many punches and Terry not wearing a seat belt, people might get the wrong idea"
The uncut version shows people getting killed. The busy cinema in the uncut version is just an empty storefront in the censored version. The busy plaza wasn't shown in the censored version, and the last building had lights on in the uncut version.
Wow. I've had no idea so much was cut. The uncut version is superior, with the exception of Bonk's death, red to purple graffiti and POSSIBLY Joker's death. Oh, and seatbelts. Can't forget about the seatbelts.
Okay the seat belts aren't bad and the change of old Harley's clothes were a nice touch
Can we agree that it is amazing how they went out of their way to animate a new scene for cencored version of jokers death. Never seen a studio making a new scene instead of editing some stuff.
I like the censored version of Bonk's death better than the uncut. Waaay creepier.
From the look of it the censored version was trying to make it look like he either didn't die at all or died in a sort of more peaceful way, as we see him still alive on the table for a bit. It'll be because anything involving guns in cartoons has become controversial for obvious reasons
As far as The Joker's death goes, I prefer the censored version. Notice how Tim doesn't kill Joker. It really shows how well Tim regains his sanity and remembers what Batman taught him, which to me is an awesome characteristic for a sidekick of Batman to have. Batman also shows a relieved smirk when he drops the gun, which is a sign that he's proud of Tim for not going down that path. Tim fighting off the Joker, and throwing him into a water tank makes more sense in the case that he's just trying to kick his ass instead of murdering him, which something Batman wouldn't wan't him doing. Not only that, but The Joker's death is much more brutal and impactful. That scream is just... pure chills. But I'm completely fine with how the uncensored version went down.
Other than that, everything about the censored version practically sucks, and even if the whole point of it was to show a more friendlier version of the film, they could have at least edited it better than they did.
How Bout No Couldn't have said it better
I think it shows how far Tim was pushed when he literally shoots him.
We Remotely Low yeah Robin killing the joker works as no matter how many wins batman had over the joker joker had this one over batman in that he broke tim so much he broke his and batman's code and Bruce could never forget that
How Bout No
I feel the same way, but I have to admit that seeing Tim visibly struggling to not shoot Batman in the uncensored version is really unsettling. It shows just how broken he is, where he's nearly so close from slipping off the edge that he can't make sense of what to do. It makes it look visibly PAINFUL for him to do the right thing. Tim at this moment is the literal definition of someone with Stockholm's syndrome, and it shows with his reluctancy to kill the Joker. He literally has to fight himself to stop from pulling the trigger on Batman. In the subtle movements of his face, as twisted as it is, you can see fear, anxiety, pain, then when he finally shoots the Joker, you can almost feel the weight lifted off his shoulders as he sinks to the ground and starts crying with Barbara just holding him there.
The whole point of that scene is to show Tim directly killing the joker. Otherwise the jokers death is irrelevant story wise
Some of these alterations are completely pointless. Like seriously, they changed "Old Bat Fart" to "Old Bat Coot"...why?
And what was the point of changing the color of old lady Harley Quinn's clothes? It's still technically the same outfit. Why not just leave it the colors that match her old costume? That was actually pretty clever.
Christ, I hate censorship. Destroying art since its conception.
I don't really see much of a point in all of the censorship in children-related media nowadays. Especially when we now have 8 year olds playing Call Of Duty while swearing thier asses off on a mic.
"And what was the point of changing the color of old lady Harley Quinn's clothes?"
To make it obvious to children that it's supposed to be an older Harley Quinn.
Censorship of animation in a nutshell unfortunately, and without meaning to be offensive it's kind of even worse in America because from what I've seen in studying it, American culture for a long while contained so much fear/anger over anything remotely inappropriate that it's a wonder such potentially violent cartoons were shown on TV at all. As I said in a comment above it's a ridiculous combination of people not realising that animation can be for adults/teens/older kids, and then looking at said animation and demanding it be made appropriate for younger audiences because omg a superhero cartoon couldn't possibly be for anyone other than children. Even if this movie was aimed at children after all, as I don't know for sure, they really don't give kids a lot of credit for how much they can really handle.
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Harley twins: Accessories to murder and attempted murder, plenty of gang violence to pin on them.... better let them out 'cause their granny's here to lecture them a bit.
3:16 what's funny about this is that the audio is taken from the looney tunes short hare ribbin, which itself was censored upon its release and has 2 different endings
I love that trivia!
Joker's censored death carried so much more meaning.
Tim throws away the gun because batman hates guns. Joker dies because he slipped on some water, like a banana peel, the oldest form of slapstick comedy (plus electricity).
3:17 Both the Uncut and Edited versions are playing the Bugs Bunny cartoon, "Hare Ribbin'". They have the dialogue from the Russian-accented dog that thought that he had deliberately killed Bugs by eating him in a giant sandwich and the dog felt remorseful for his deed.
And besides that, in the movie, the cartoon must be around its centennial age since its release in 204X.
I never understood why they had a Bugs Bunny short in a Batman film until I remembered that Warner Bros. has owned DC since 1967.
I think death scenes are more impactful when they don't show them directly, but frame them. Playing it out in the theater of the mind is just as powerful.
Thank you for this. I always wondered what the difference was. Moral of the story WEAR YOUR SEATBELTS. 😂
Absolutely one of my favorite movies of all time. And the flashback scene still raises it to a whole other level. Put Timm and Dini in charge of the DCEU!
Check out our much more recent video all about the production of the film!
Thanks for the video :) was extremly interesting to watch
I am so glad to have seen this movie in uncut version first; they censured some of my favorite scenes like Dee Dee beating Batman up at the very beginning, the "you're with me" scene or of course Joker's death.
For that scene with Batgirl, is that...Dina? Like Black Canary Dina? Why'd they change that?
RemixerUltimate It's a prostitute used in TNBA that resembles her. When it came time to design Black Canary for JLU, the creative team returned to and updated this design.
Watchtower Database oh. I was not aware of that, thank you!
yet again another genius video
The only thing this made me realize was that the animation on this looks SO GOOOOOOOOOOOOD!
It really does!
Literally joker getting electrocuted to death is top 3 the most haunting screams I’ve ever heard and scared me to death at night
Some of the "censoring" actually makes the movie better. The laughing gas death, and Harley in her classic colors are just so much more fitting.