Judging a tool for what it is intended for should be the norm. Expecting a Chevy Volt to win a drag race against a Ferrari is unreasonable, just as expecting a Ferrari to to outperform a 4X4 off road. A $5-$10 Walmart knife for daily tasks is great, expecting it to cut 50 slices at a time (get a box cutter), or batoning wood (Use a fixed blade) seems unreasonable to most. The average person makes a couple cuts a week from an EDC folder from what I have seen and the Ozark Trail is great for those tasks. Spend more or choose a different tool as your milage may vary.
I grew up with my dad taught. Teaching me to use a tool the way this meant to be used. I can break just about anything if you give me the right tool. But when you use the tool, the weight is meant to be used. Good things happen. Why are these so many of these people wanting to break things and see how abusive they can be when they should be teaching people to use things the right way. That's why I will block this guy's videos every time I see one now
If I ever get into a situation where I have to baton with a folder I make sure to unlock it. I have both of these Ozark trails. Good demonstration and assessment of these two knives. To me they're barely more than novelty fidget toys. Cheers and an up vote!
don't tell me you never use any of your tools outside of their designed-use perimeters. people use their folding knives as screw drivers and screwdrivers as pry bars. It happens all the time. It could happen in an emergency. Sometimes it's good to know the limits of things.
Keep up the good work on abusing and breaking the Ozark Trail knife. If enough couch knife warriors see this video they will lose interest in it. Then maybe the people that want and appreciate a good inexpensive knife for light cutting task can find one to purchase and use it as designed! I'm 61 years old and could never figure out why someone would want to treat a pocket knife like a hatchet instead of a pocket knife. Does anyone really think the heat treat of this D2 with a hollow grind is going to be a world class knife for $10.00?
That's one of the things I thought when it happened. If I were him I would make it a complete mod candidate. I would try stripping the black coating, elctro etch a pattern in the blade, give it a new recurve edge, and maybe even try dying the scales. At this point, why not? Broken stuff is a perfect opportunity to try new skills.
The quality of the D2 knife seems to be chance related. I bought 2 and there's no blade play even after use, and they flick open very well. One is very factory sharp, the other not so much. It's the luck of the draw, I guess. I haven't disassembled mine, but I've seen others do it, and apparently the bearings tend to wear into the steel. No idea if mine are like that. Not only does it break under stress, the tip breaks off, too. But I don't use knives hard, so I don't think I'll have that problem.
Useful information, I have both, just got the orange one today. I like the action on a bar lock, good to know it doesn’t fail easily. The blue one’s nice too, back flipper with assisted opening with a safety lock. Good to know the edge retention is good on both.
I have been carrying one of the Ozark Trail orange knives for 3 weeks +. So far it has held up rather well, although I have not batoned it into a chunk of hardwood. That's what axes and hatchets are made for. The D2 steel is harder than regular stainless steel, so logically it will be a bit brittle. As you stated, it was abuse of that knife. The sideward blow against the blade made me wonder why it didn't snap sooner. Good demonstration though.
Cheap D2 knives are notorious for having horrendously poor grain structure. That is most likely what caused the failure here. If you study the edge after *proper* use under a microscope you'll also see the difference between common china D2 and cheap-ass D2.
People get so angry over torture tests. I like them. For $10 dollars, I'm shocked it didn't break sooner. For what it is, a nice stocking stuffer. It's a knife you can break or lose and not really care. Where as if I misplace a $200 knife, every stone will be turned in order to find it. That's the difference.
I was finally able to find 4 in stock at a store near Frederick, MD and got one! You have to tighten the pivot on them a bit or it will come loose while using. I also put some lube on it just to be safe but didn't seem to make any difference with it opening, it did it more for wear protection.
With a decent heat treatment, D2 should be noticeably outperforming something just marked "stainless steel." My guess is it's ( the "stainless" ) something at or below the 8cr13mov range of steel.
I don't care for d2 steel. I remember watching a video from cliff stamp where he pointed out that the marketing wank and public hype of d2 is that it's "tough" or a hard use/wear resistant steel.. and that simply isn't the case. It can have a decently high hrc, but at the cost (for d2) of being more brittle. That's fine for a small pocket knife, but it isn't great for big pocket knives (medford, some pmp knives, midgard messer, boker/etc) or alot of fixed blades. The main thing to say about it, is that it's used by companies as a selling point, because the public sees it as a premium knife steel. Long story short: it's fine, but I'm not impressed by it. The edge chipping and eventually breaking out is sadly to be expected.
I wonder if the D2 knife losing so much blade material might have a lot to do not only with heat treat, but also blade thickness, etc. D2 already has a reputation for being somewhat chippy (I found 1 forum where Ka-bar posted that they heat treat their D2 to 58-59 HRC so that it can withstand more abuse). I don’t say that to prop this $10 knife up by any means, but I think for 99% of people that just cut tape and break down cardboard this will probably do just fine.
@@blackbirdtactics8250 Yeah the combo of it being so thin with a hollow grind and having D2 is most definitely the reason. I saw a video and between three samples the heat treat seems to be around 59-60.
The marketing strategy of fooling people on how great this knife is , was absolutely genius !!! They proved it just takes a few strangers to talk something up and there's enough sheep that will actually believe the lie and we turn a nice profit off a very cheap knife !
Judging a tool for what it is intended for should be the norm. Expecting a Chevy Volt to win a drag race against a Ferrari is unreasonable, just as expecting a Ferrari to to outperform a 4X4 off road. A $5-$10 Walmart knife for daily tasks is great, expecting it to cut 50 slices at a time (get a box cutter), or batoning wood (Use a fixed blade) seems unreasonable to most. The average person makes a couple cuts a week from an EDC folder from what I have seen and the Ozark Trail is great for those tasks. Spend more or choose a different tool as your milage may vary.
I grew up with my dad taught. Teaching me to use a tool the way this meant to be used. I can break just about anything if you give me the right tool. But when you use the tool, the weight is meant to be used. Good things happen. Why are these so many of these people wanting to break things and see how abusive they can be when they should be teaching people to use things the right way. That's why I will block this guy's videos every time I see one now
If I ever get into a situation where I have to baton with a folder I make sure to unlock it. I have both
of these Ozark trails. Good demonstration and assessment of these two knives. To me they're barely more than novelty fidget toys. Cheers and
an up vote!
To be fair, I could break a $500 knife.Use the tool that it was meant to be used for.
don't tell me you never use any of your tools outside of their designed-use perimeters. people use their folding knives as screw drivers and screwdrivers as pry bars. It happens all the time. It could happen in an emergency. Sometimes it's good to know the limits of things.
Keep up the good work on abusing and breaking the Ozark Trail knife. If enough couch knife warriors see this video they will lose interest in it. Then maybe the people that want and appreciate a good inexpensive knife for light cutting task can find one to purchase and use it as designed! I'm 61 years old and could never figure out why someone would want to treat a pocket knife like a hatchet instead of a pocket knife. Does anyone really think the heat treat of this D2 with a hollow grind is going to be a world class knife for $10.00?
You’re welcome.
@@MNWoodland you shouldn’t be doing this to any knife. There’s things called Hatchetts.
These torture videos are so stupid. Its a $10 pocket knife most people will be opening boxes with.
@@seanwhitman4365 Glad you enjoyed it.
With the piece broken out it looks like the beginning of a recurve and or mamba style blade, I’d rework it slowly on a belt sander
That's one of the things I thought when it happened. If I were him I would make it a complete mod candidate. I would try stripping the black coating, elctro etch a pattern in the blade, give it a new recurve edge, and maybe even try dying the scales. At this point, why not? Broken stuff is a perfect opportunity to try new skills.
That’s exactly what I thought too.
A belt sander? That's why it's so brittle. Every knife I buy gets the edge cut off
And put to a good sharpening stone.
The quality of the D2 knife seems to be chance related. I bought 2 and there's no blade play even after use, and they flick open very well. One is very factory sharp, the other not so much. It's the luck of the draw, I guess. I haven't disassembled mine, but I've seen others do it, and apparently the bearings tend to wear into the steel. No idea if mine are like that. Not only does it break under stress, the tip breaks off, too. But I don't use knives hard, so I don't think I'll have that problem.
Useful information, I have both, just got the orange one today. I like the action on a bar lock, good to know it doesn’t fail easily. The blue one’s nice too, back flipper with assisted opening with a safety lock. Good to know the edge retention is good on both.
I have been carrying one of the Ozark Trail orange knives for 3 weeks +. So far it has held up rather well, although I have not batoned it into a chunk of hardwood. That's what axes and hatchets are made for. The D2 steel is harder than regular stainless steel, so logically it will be a bit brittle. As you stated, it was abuse of that knife. The sideward blow against the blade made me wonder why it didn't snap sooner. Good demonstration though.
Cheap D2 knives are notorious for having horrendously poor grain structure. That is most likely what caused the failure here. If you study the edge after *proper* use under a microscope you'll also see the difference between common china D2 and cheap-ass D2.
Great knife for $10. I cut open a water bottle pack and sliced a few open it was so sharp!
Love your Helper Cat! Miss mine.
People get so angry over torture tests. I like them. For $10 dollars, I'm shocked it didn't break sooner. For what it is, a nice stocking stuffer. It's a knife you can break or lose and not really care. Where as if I misplace a $200 knife, every stone will be turned in order to find it. That's the difference.
Well said.
I was finally able to find 4 in stock at a store near Frederick, MD and got one! You have to tighten the pivot on them a bit or it will come loose while using. I also put some lube on it just to be safe but didn't seem to make any difference with it opening, it did it more for wear protection.
You should put in the title of the vid some words like “Viral cheap Ozark D2 destroyed” or something like that, I bet it could reach more ppl 👍🏼
The green 7.5 inch tanto has bearings also I think. Just a bit harder to open.
But takes an edge easy. And pivots with gravity.
I have that one as well. Very smooth. It’s actually pretty nice.
With a decent heat treatment, D2 should be noticeably outperforming something just marked "stainless steel." My guess is it's ( the "stainless" ) something at or below the 8cr13mov range of steel.
I don't care for d2 steel. I remember watching a video from cliff stamp where he pointed out that the marketing wank and public hype of d2 is that it's "tough" or a hard use/wear resistant steel.. and that simply isn't the case. It can have a decently high hrc, but at the cost (for d2) of being more brittle. That's fine for a small pocket knife, but it isn't great for big pocket knives (medford, some pmp knives, midgard messer, boker/etc) or alot of fixed blades. The main thing to say about it, is that it's used by companies as a selling point, because the public sees it as a premium knife steel.
Long story short: it's fine, but I'm not impressed by it. The edge chipping and eventually breaking out is sadly to be expected.
I wonder if the D2 knife losing so much blade material might have a lot to do not only with heat treat, but also blade thickness, etc. D2 already has a reputation for being somewhat chippy (I found 1 forum where Ka-bar posted that they heat treat their D2 to 58-59 HRC so that it can withstand more abuse). I don’t say that to prop this $10 knife up by any means, but I think for 99% of people that just cut tape and break down cardboard this will probably do just fine.
@@blackbirdtactics8250 Yeah the combo of it being so thin with a hollow grind and having D2 is most definitely the reason. I saw a video and between three samples the heat treat seems to be around 59-60.
The marketing strategy of fooling people on how great this knife is , was absolutely genius !!!
They proved it just takes a few strangers to talk something up and there's enough sheep that will actually believe the lie and we turn a nice profit off a very cheap knife !
Good video thanks
Appreciate it.
Good useful vid! I am far from a steel expert, but I luv 440c, and D2. !but
I'm probably an idiot !