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Can you make a video on the difference between black ceramic and white ceramic blades, apparently black ceramic goes through a extra processing step that makes it extra strong. A black (HIP) blade is made out of black zirconium oxide and offers extra durability. This type of blade goes through an extra firing process called a "hot-isostatic press," creating a tighter weave between the ceramic molecules, thus creating a tougher blade.
I just realized I have what Walmart calls their "Ozark Trail Tan Flip Opening knife". I paid $10 for this years ago after seeing a video from the channel 8541 Tactical here on TH-cam. It looks like he has pulled the video down as I don't see it anymore. But I can ship this one to you for testing if you want? It has been opened from the package but I don't believe I have ever sharpened it and I've only used it for opening the tape of delivery boxes. Which hasn't been many... Funny thing is I just started carrying it the other day but the sharp edges and bulk of it make it uncomfortable for pocket carry. Just last night I was thinking about taking a file and softening the edges to make it more comfortable but I haven't done this yet. You're more than welcome to try it out?
The great thing about knife steel claims is that so few people have access to an Optical Emission Spectrometer so claims can almost never be looked into.
@@F1083 same thing with the answers on your search engine about Mount Everest. Is being able to sniff BS; for example I would believe this man over anybody's wife.
I got another brand new one in package, I’ll send it to you just so you can make a follow up video. Free of course. Love your channel, keep up the great work!
Without even touching on the topic at hand here I just have to say WOW your videos have gotten so good! The sound design, the pacing, the macro shots, the visual humor, the storytelling... been watching for years now and I really admire how you've pushed yourself to improve over time. Respect.
So this is WEIRD. I did my edge retention testing on 3 of them. The first one on the factory edge took 7 hours of cutting cardboard to reach total devastation. It wasn't tearing and rolling the cardboard until the end of that run. Putting a new 18° per side if I remember right pushed it out to 8 hours. The second factory edge took 6 hours. On a 15° per side edge it took a bit over 4 hours. The reviews and results of these things have been all over the place. The live streams where I did the testing are all up, there are receipts. We DID count about 30 minutes worth of cuts at about 900 cuts averaged to 6 inches. I DO go to absolute devastation where it hits 550+ on the edge tester.
Took a brief look at the stream and realized its cutting along the grain of single wall cardboard which is the equivalent of cutting 2mm thick paper. Not impressed and not a point of data in my opinion. One cannot compare results unless equal tests are performed. Try cutting against the grain of single or double wall cardboard with the ozark trail and then report back please.
@@knivesiguesslet me rephrase my initial statement and I apologize for how it sounded. I checked out your stream and really liked the style and setup! I was enjoying the cutting, the table, the lights, and the content. Once I broke the enjoyable hypnosis I focused on the test itself. I would be interested to see a cut test where you go “against the grain” of the cardboard rather than alone. Not saying what you did is invalid. Just looking to compare similar data points.
I have personally Rockwell tested mine and I was getting a range between 60-64HRC following ASTM E18, I was shocked. Those hardness measurements were done through out the blade, not just in one spot either.
I bought a $20 Camillus folding knife with D2 steel that I use for fishing. After four years of use, cutting fishing line, sometimes steel wire for rigs, I haven't had to sharpen it yet.
I must have gotten lucky. I bought one of the first ones out. And have really enjoyed it. I strapped it after every use. Just like I do with all of my knives. And it's been doing just fine
Mine seemed to do pretty good holding an edge in cardboard. But I actually had a failure of the little plastic "bearing cage" washer, which ended up splitting, and loosening up the action. I did tighten the pivot screw up just enough to take out the little bit of blade play shortly after I got the knife though.
Mine was pretty good, I bought it in the first batch when it first hit. Mine only dulled to a working edge because I tried to cut a fiberglass pole with it lol.. it's still worked great for hacking down small branches and cutting a few things here or there... Possible the next batch had some issues, not sure.
I've bought several knives off Amazon, none of them very expensive. I am an old fart cake eater that never spent a minute in the woods for work. I like knives. I buy knives because of a specific feature on that particular knife. I've learned how to sharpen them to a hair shaving tolerance but nothing more. My last knife purchase was the DAOFENG EDC Black Lightweight Folding Pocket Knife. As I said cake eater. I bought this knife as an EDC. It came razor sharp and stayed that way for most of the cake eating things I needed AND it weighed 1.4 oz!!! An old man with 4-6 oz of steel in his pants is going to be picking his pants up off the floor multiple times a day. So specific knives for specific purposes. Works for me.
I truly love how you are able to make these videos entertaining, the creativity is blooming, really shows you are passionate about this stuff. Great video, love it!
Well, it's interesting that you've gotten bad results with it. I've had the exact opposite experience. Right out of the packaging super sharp, held an edge longer than my 14c raccoon (by a lot), sharpens easily, and still keeps a good edge after plenty of abuse and sharpening. I liked it so much I bought a bunch more and gave them to all my friends. They have had similar experiences. So over 12 individual knives, I haven't found a stinker.
I bought one the first week they were released. The blade was sharp and decent. The pivot was a POS. And the steel liners were very flexible. The pivot showed wear after a week of limited use (yes, I took it apart and looked at the worn pivot. The blade had side to side play due to that crap pivot, the overly large pivot hole in the blade, and those flexing liners. The only good thing I can say about this knife is that I sold it for 2.5 times what I paid for it! I used that money to buy the Civivi Zizzle for $25 from WM. The Wugout was an okay knife for $10. The Zizzle is just a really good knife!
So glad you got one to test properly. Now I will not even bother with it. 👍😁 In the making of this video, it appears that you are feeling better. I sure hope your situation is progressing ti the possitive. Always in my prayers. 🙏❤👍😁
Yea some large personalities have blindly echoed about how great this knife is (including “gear testing” websites). Even when it failed in their own tests against other more expensive knives, they would still conclude it was the superior. I’m glad you drew the parallel between the ozark trail and a pry bar. Lots of people think that their knife is fine if it fails basic cutting tasks but can survive a pry test.
12:14 im actually looking for a ~10$ knife that can kinda handle that type of abuse. Of course I'm not expecting it to stay sharp. I'm fine with resharpening I just want something that can be easily replaced after I abused it too much and it had a catastrophic failure or I lost it or something. Would just be nice if it was at least at the quality level of the 9$ Amazon knife you showed and stayed at that price.
None of them would complain with the 11" 17cr OT fixed blade with g10 and micarta or whatever it is. Gen 2 one. Its a beast and enough blade to get it as sharp as u want. Been finding them back in stock for holidays at only $19. BTW I probably wouldn't buy ANY folding knife in off brand I don't even trust the nice ones.
Your videos are surely becoming more entertaining though I feel like the production standard is so much higher than it used to be :D wich is a good thing :D
At the end of the day, it's an amazing fidget toy for me. The action is really loose and smooth and I can flick it back and forth constantly. It's got a better action, in my humble opinion, than a bunch of the more expensive ones I got. This knife got me obsessed with axis locks, don't ask how many I've bought since I picked up the OT-D2. XD
I can send you one if you would like, it also seems they restock on the website in the mornings and I have grabbed a few this way lol. It would be interesting to see the white knife compared as well, since its mystery stainless steel 🤣.
i paid 25$ for my Kershaw about 7 years ago. I've sharpened it 3 times and use it almost every day at work. ill pay a little more for better edge retention any day.
How much time does a video like this take to make from start to finish? Thanks for putting so much effort into making such great quality videos, even for a $10 dollar knife.
I learned long ago that the same Chinese factory can produce amazing products or disposable ones. It depends on the contract if you are going to have wonderful consistency or a toss-up
I would like to give my opinion if I may. I trust this man. I like his style very much who wouldn't. He's giving us a lot of valuable information. I'm very grateful that he does so. I have acquired more skill and knowledge because of him and I pass it on. What I've learned from him has helped me help others or sharpen their knives. I should not say this but last year and part of this year I was fighting a DUI and I won. It took time and I lost my commercial license for a little while, I was homeless and I almost lost everything. One thing that kept me above water, made me welcome in people's homes, put money in my pocket during that hard time was that I was paid to sharpen knives or people would give me food and a place to stay if I sharpened all of their knives. Or they would take me out to lunch at expensive restaurants where I met more of their friends and more people. So the proof about this man is in the results and how he helps us and teaches us. Sometimes in the midst of worry it feels good to have a nice hobby and like I said above I trust this guy, and that's hard to find man.
If you know anyone (metal recycler facility manager?) that must be able to identify alloys, they may have access to an X-ray fluorescence gauge. That will at least give you some chemistry data. As far as determining the heat treatment, a polished and etched sample viewed on a metallograph, along with hardness testing, is about all I know.
So I've never seen your channel before but if you were sent me this video and this is incredible. I also tried to get one of these because I didn't believe the hype. Was not able to. Glad to see it exposed. Great great video
I tried to recreate your test with my same knife. The differences were: I did not resharpen it completely, I put a 25 degree micro edge on it with ceramic, then stropped with 4 micron diamond paste. I was easily able to cut more cardboard than you were able to, and the edge still cuts paper just fine. I agree it seems like a gamble as to whether the heat treat was done well or not. But I seem to have gotten one that was done right.
I wouldn't go so far as to say a completely different edge geometry. A slightly more obtuse triangle of an apex, but still a triangle. But it is different. And apples and oranges can be compared 😁
@@al-bal Yeah, but changing two variables at a time isn't how experiments are typically conducted. A more scientific test would be to do the same test with the same geometry and then you can record the exact differences in the steel. Once you do that you can change the second variable which is geometry and see how that changes your result.
I've had one in my pocket, everyday for the last three months. I love axis locks, and the action on these are like buttah. The blade, if I'm being honest, is ok, but not as bad as Alex's. I have 3 of them, if Alex wants another one, I'd be willing to donate. Would changing the sharpening angle help?
Based on steel type, the ozark trails knife should have significantly outperformed the Vosteed, assuming it actually has D2 AND it was heat-treated properly. It sure doesn’t act like D2.
You can find civivi knives for about 20 bucks, so I think I'd rather just buy those, maybe when I was in the trades and didn't know much about knives I would have bought it but once you start using something from a reputable brand it's hard to go back to mystery steel, loose screws, crappy lock and alignment knives
I mean ... its prob pretty bad if you review it with any kind of quality standard in mind BUT thats also its good aspect. its cheap, the steel is soft and therefore easily sharpened, you dont mind if you lose it and you can go to town with it without the worry of breaking a 300$ knife. The negative is kinda the positive. The overall knife is good "enough" too.
Its just a random shitty tool you can get at some big market. It does what it needs to do and goes into the bin if it doesnt do that. + the heat treatment on this D2 is probably like gambling during the Wild West, you never know what you get. Like he said ... opinions are split.
I have the same $9 Amazon knife! Actually a couple in different motorcycle riding pants. And I bought a few as a disposable EDC for friends. ..as for the Ozark Trail 99% it's not D2. Send it to nerd or somebody else for testing.
Nothing more common than a Chinese steel maker selling you chinesium rather than what you ordered! Asking a foreign company with no legal risk to not deliver the right product is asking to get scammed. The point isn't that they don't know it's probably not D2, it's that they can say it's D2 and argue that's what they really thought on the micro chance that they sued for it. Anyways just saying Trump is going to tariff the hell out of these knives so you'll probably stop seeing them. I wouldn't make another run of these before he goes into office.
Newer sub here. Here for sharping.... But it would be awesome if you did a best of EDC's $10-20, $20-30, $30-40, $50+. Breaking down performance, blade material, ergonomics etc..
Sometimes you get what you pay for. The good thing is you didn't pay anything , so you are ahead of the game. Some people have all the luck. BTW- nice video. 🤓
I've seen people get much better results so most definitely it's just a roll of dice when buying this knife, when they're producing it this cheap there's definitely no room for any QC. I mean maxlvledc got 10 of them and 3 had warped blades lol.
Best knife channel that I've ever watched, and trust me I watch a lot of knife videos... Huge rrspect ftom the UK Alex 💪🇬🇧, while we're still allowed to own knives anyhoo... 🙄😊
That is so weird. If it is DR and it 60 RC you would think it would do at least average for the steel. Im seeing a lot of D2 knives coming from China and I think they are using D2 ad the selling point for their junk heat treats. I mean Bos heat treated 420 and made it a pretty good steel for Buck
The hardness measurement was taken on the flat portion not near the apex. Its realistic to assume that the hardest could be way different at the cutting edge and in the middle of the blade. Hardness only tell of a small amount about overall blade health.
@@OUTDOORS55 Im sure. There is a lot of science to the heat treating and creating a crystal structure, carbides etc etc. Im knife nut but only know enough about steel to pretend lol!
@SuperSteelSteve he used to be the Whetstone King. That's why I started watching him. Extremely talented. Now, he uses a machine that every Tom Dick and Harry without any experience can use. No Talent there.
@alexolivarez732 So because he changed his sharpening style he's a sell out?? 🤣🤣 Bro, you can't be serious. People's preferences change. Maybe he doesn't feel like spending the mental concentration to sharpen every single time. Maybe the fixed angle system is just faster for him. His value as a youtuber creator, and as a human doesn't hinge on how often he uses whetstones. Hes definitely no sell out. My first car was a stick shift, but I buy automatics now because it suits my lifestyle now. Same idea man.
For me? Nothing, I wouldn't have a use for it. For other people it may have some value depending on what you use it for. It would be a great first knife for young people 👍
I disliked everything about this knife. It was terrible to sharpen. Didn’t hold an edge. Felt like it would snap under pressure. Materials that would just fall apart. I prefer quality even in a beater. I gave away all the ones I had. Didn’t make content on it because I would not recommend it.
Yes, that's exactly the problem. I don't know. This was the worst knife i ever tested for edge retention. However, testing the $1 knife with wood is more of an apex stability test, not really an edge retention test. So we are testing and comparing two different things. So comparing the $1 knife apex stability test to this d2 cardboard test isn't apples to apple. That being said, this was the worst knife, I've ever tested for edge retention.
To be fair, you did compare d2 to 14c.. Which in my opinion is the best budget steel. I know d2 On paper is supposed to outperform sanvik but In every real world test 14c28n Is the budget magnacut
Got to be - " THE GUY " ..... Wish I could get my hands on one ! Cos of all the ? reviews . GRIT ! make a more gritty edge .. A lot of ?? steel respond to more grit !
Maybe it is Pakistani D2. Americans will buy just about anything. Enjoyed the review! Maybe you could leave it laying on a filling station sink so someone else can enjoy it. LOL
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Can you make a video on the difference between black ceramic and white ceramic blades, apparently black ceramic goes through a extra processing step that makes it extra strong.
A black (HIP) blade is made out of black zirconium oxide and offers extra durability. This type of blade goes through an extra firing process called a "hot-isostatic press," creating a tighter weave between the ceramic molecules, thus creating a tougher blade.
I just realized I have what Walmart calls their "Ozark Trail Tan Flip Opening knife". I paid $10 for this years ago after seeing a video from the channel 8541 Tactical here on TH-cam. It looks like he has pulled the video down as I don't see it anymore. But I can ship this one to you for testing if you want?
It has been opened from the package but I don't believe I have ever sharpened it and I've only used it for opening the tape of delivery boxes. Which hasn't been many...
Funny thing is I just started carrying it the other day but the sharp edges and bulk of it make it uncomfortable for pocket carry. Just last night I was thinking about taking a file and softening the edges to make it more comfortable but I haven't done this yet.
You're more than welcome to try it out?
*carrying it again. That is...
IDK if its just me but all the affiliate links are messed up...
EDIT: Oh, the crowbar, Its a joke?
@@OUTDOORS55 - just bought one because of this video! Can’t wait to see how it outperforms the Walmart knife!!
The great thing about knife steel claims is that so few people have access to an Optical Emission Spectrometer so claims can almost never be looked into.
@@F1083 same thing with the answers on your search engine about Mount Everest. Is being able to sniff BS; for example I would believe this man over anybody's wife.
I got another brand new one in package, I’ll send it to you just so you can make a follow up video. Free of course. Love your channel, keep up the great work!
Do this!!!! Please!!!! The collab we need!
Watching Alex always makes me feel a little less crazy about my edge obsession 😅
Without even touching on the topic at hand here I just have to say WOW your videos have gotten so good! The sound design, the pacing, the macro shots, the visual humor, the storytelling... been watching for years now and I really admire how you've pushed yourself to improve over time. Respect.
Thanks my friend 🙏👊
So this is WEIRD. I did my edge retention testing on 3 of them. The first one on the factory edge took 7 hours of cutting cardboard to reach total devastation. It wasn't tearing and rolling the cardboard until the end of that run. Putting a new 18° per side if I remember right pushed it out to 8 hours. The second factory edge took 6 hours. On a 15° per side edge it took a bit over 4 hours. The reviews and results of these things have been all over the place. The live streams where I did the testing are all up, there are receipts. We DID count about 30 minutes worth of cuts at about 900 cuts averaged to 6 inches. I DO go to absolute devastation where it hits 550+ on the edge tester.
I was there I watched him do it! (on stream) You were on stream begging for the insanity to end!
Took a brief look at the stream and realized its cutting along the grain of single wall cardboard which is the equivalent of cutting 2mm thick paper. Not impressed and not a point of data in my opinion. One cannot compare results unless equal tests are performed. Try cutting against the grain of single or double wall cardboard with the ozark trail and then report back please.
I'll take a look at that, actually
One unanswered question though is how it went double the normal time of all of my other D2 knives making the same cuts. Just weird.
@@knivesiguesslet me rephrase my initial statement and I apologize for how it sounded.
I checked out your stream and really liked the style and setup! I was enjoying the cutting, the table, the lights, and the content. Once I broke the enjoyable hypnosis I focused on the test itself. I would be interested to see a cut test where you go “against the grain” of the cardboard rather than alone. Not saying what you did is invalid. Just looking to compare similar data points.
Lmfao the “burnt edge” subliminal message voice 😂😂😂
I have personally Rockwell tested mine and I was getting a range between 60-64HRC following ASTM E18, I was shocked. Those hardness measurements were done through out the blade, not just in one spot either.
I didn't include this in the video since it would just complicate things but i did get a handful of random 55hrc readings. 🙂
This is like some Sherlock Holmes level of investigation. Awesome 😊
This is why i LOVE your videos...the creative imagination you bring to the big screen is LEGENDARY 😂
I bought a $20 Camillus folding knife with D2 steel that I use for fishing. After four years of use, cutting fishing line, sometimes steel wire for rigs, I haven't had to sharpen it yet.
Yeah... but does it cut PAPER ?
@Cyber_Kriss
Goes through bait like butter...
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You have no idea what a sharp knife feels like then
@Nick-te3nv
You make assumptions you shouldn't...
I know its not a folder however a €15 Mora Companion out of the box holds up alot better then that thing.
For €17 there is also a stainless version.
I agree a mora os a better buy. However it is a fixed blade, but still a better buy imo🙂
I must have gotten lucky. I bought one of the first ones out. And have really enjoyed it. I strapped it after every use. Just like I do with all of my knives. And it's been doing just fine
Mine seemed to do pretty good holding an edge in cardboard. But I actually had a failure of the little plastic "bearing cage" washer, which ended up splitting, and loosening up the action. I did tighten the pivot screw up just enough to take out the little bit of blade play shortly after I got the knife though.
Mine was pretty good, I bought it in the first batch when it first hit. Mine only dulled to a working edge because I tried to cut a fiberglass pole with it lol.. it's still worked great for hacking down small branches and cutting a few things here or there... Possible the next batch had some issues, not sure.
Glad you made this. Walmart has been sold out and I was feeling left out.
I've bought several knives off Amazon, none of them very expensive. I am an old fart cake eater that never spent a minute in the woods for work. I like knives. I buy knives because of a specific feature on that particular knife. I've learned how to sharpen them to a hair shaving tolerance but nothing more. My last knife purchase was the DAOFENG EDC Black Lightweight Folding Pocket Knife. As I said cake eater. I bought this knife as an EDC. It came razor sharp and stayed that way for most of the cake eating things I needed AND it weighed 1.4 oz!!! An old man with 4-6 oz of steel in his pants is going to be picking his pants up off the floor multiple times a day. So specific knives for specific purposes. Works for me.
I've been burned on an Ozark knife about 5years ago best lesson ever,I experienced exactly what you did..
I truly love how you are able to make these videos entertaining, the creativity is blooming, really shows you are passionate about this stuff. Great video, love it!
Well, it's interesting that you've gotten bad results with it. I've had the exact opposite experience. Right out of the packaging super sharp, held an edge longer than my 14c raccoon (by a lot), sharpens easily, and still keeps a good edge after plenty of abuse and sharpening. I liked it so much I bought a bunch more and gave them to all my friends. They have had similar experiences. So over 12 individual knives, I haven't found a stinker.
@@TranceMechanic7 great knife. This guy's career is knifes and couldn't find more than 1
Probably the best video and editing I’ve ever seen you do…and that’s saying something. Awesome job bud
I bought one the first week they were released. The blade was sharp and decent. The pivot was a POS. And the steel liners were very flexible. The pivot showed wear after a week of limited use (yes, I took it apart and looked at the worn pivot. The blade had side to side play due to that crap pivot, the overly large pivot hole in the blade, and those flexing liners. The only good thing I can say about this knife is that I sold it for 2.5 times what I paid for it! I used that money to buy the Civivi Zizzle for $25 from WM. The Wugout was an okay knife for $10. The Zizzle is just a really good knife!
So glad you got one to test properly. Now I will not even bother with it. 👍😁
In the making of this video, it appears that you are feeling better. I sure hope your situation is progressing ti the possitive. Always in my prayers. 🙏❤👍😁
Yea some large personalities have blindly echoed about how great this knife is (including “gear testing” websites). Even when it failed in their own tests against other more expensive knives, they would still conclude it was the superior. I’m glad you drew the parallel between the ozark trail and a pry bar. Lots of people think that their knife is fine if it fails basic cutting tasks but can survive a pry test.
12:14 im actually looking for a ~10$ knife that can kinda handle that type of abuse. Of course I'm not expecting it to stay sharp. I'm fine with resharpening I just want something that can be easily replaced after I abused it too much and it had a catastrophic failure or I lost it or something. Would just be nice if it was at least at the quality level of the 9$ Amazon knife you showed and stayed at that price.
morakniv or hultafors
It's unrelated, but I got a Manix 2 XL. I'm very happy that I have something that doesn't feel too small but also not comically big.
None of them would complain with the 11" 17cr OT fixed blade with g10 and micarta or whatever it is. Gen 2 one. Its a beast and enough blade to get it as sharp as u want. Been finding them back in stock for holidays at only $19. BTW I probably wouldn't buy ANY folding knife in off brand I don't even trust the nice ones.
Your videos are surely becoming more entertaining though I feel like the production standard is so much higher than it used to be :D wich is a good thing :D
At the end of the day, it's an amazing fidget toy for me. The action is really loose and smooth and I can flick it back and forth constantly. It's got a better action, in my humble opinion, than a bunch of the more expensive ones I got.
This knife got me obsessed with axis locks, don't ask how many I've bought since I picked up the OT-D2. XD
I can send you one if you would like, it also seems they restock on the website in the mornings and I have grabbed a few this way lol. It would be interesting to see the white knife compared as well, since its mystery stainless steel 🤣.
I've got some flissa Knives in d-2. I'm honestly impressed. They were cheap
This reminds me of the drop bear in s35vn? You reviewed that wasn’t heat treated to optimal ranges but it still cut very well.
"If its too good to be true, it most likely is" remains as true as ever
i paid 25$ for my Kershaw about 7 years ago. I've sharpened it 3 times and use it almost every day at work. ill pay a little more for better edge retention any day.
How much time does a video like this take to make from start to finish? Thanks for putting so much effort into making such great quality videos, even for a $10 dollar knife.
I learned long ago that the same Chinese factory can produce amazing products or disposable ones. It depends on the contract if you are going to have wonderful consistency or a toss-up
I was able to nab three of these. They're good for a 10 dollar Walmart knife. One will live in the tackle box.
My go to in box store knives used to be those polymer handled Bucks with no pocket clips
Can you take it apart and heat treat it and see if it is any better?
I would like to give my opinion if I may. I trust this man. I like his style very much who wouldn't. He's giving us a lot of valuable information. I'm very grateful that he does so. I have acquired more skill and knowledge because of him and I pass it on. What I've learned from him has helped me help others or sharpen their knives. I should not say this but last year and part of this year I was fighting a DUI and I won. It took time and I lost my commercial license for a little while, I was homeless and I almost lost everything. One thing that kept me above water, made me welcome in people's homes, put money in my pocket during that hard time was that I was paid to sharpen knives or people would give me food and a place to stay if I sharpened all of their knives. Or they would take me out to lunch at expensive restaurants where I met more of their friends and more people. So the proof about this man is in the results and how he helps us and teaches us. Sometimes in the midst of worry it feels good to have a nice hobby and like I said above I trust this guy, and that's hard to find man.
Awesome video, man!
If you know anyone (metal recycler facility manager?) that must be able to identify alloys, they may have access to an X-ray fluorescence gauge. That will at least give you some chemistry data. As far as determining the heat treatment, a polished and etched sample viewed on a metallograph, along with hardness testing, is about all I know.
So I've never seen your channel before but if you were sent me this video and this is incredible. I also tried to get one of these because I didn't believe the hype. Was not able to. Glad to see it exposed. Great great video
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I tried to recreate your test with my same knife. The differences were: I did not resharpen it completely, I put a 25 degree micro edge on it with ceramic, then stropped with 4 micron diamond paste. I was easily able to cut more cardboard than you were able to, and the edge still cuts paper just fine. I agree it seems like a gamble as to whether the heat treat was done well or not. But I seem to have gotten one that was done right.
Sometimes you get lucky 🍀 👍
You put a completely different type of edge geometry on your knife so it's an apples to oranges comparison.
I wouldn't go so far as to say a completely different edge geometry. A slightly more obtuse triangle of an apex, but still a triangle. But it is different. And apples and oranges can be compared 😁
@@al-bal Yeah, but changing two variables at a time isn't how experiments are typically conducted.
A more scientific test would be to do the same test with the same geometry and then you can record the exact differences in the steel.
Once you do that you can change the second variable which is geometry and see how that changes your result.
Could redoing the heat treat help?
Why would anybody do that? Just buy a better, more expensive knife.
Good to know!
I've had one in my pocket, everyday for the last three months. I love axis locks, and the action on these are like buttah. The blade, if I'm being honest, is ok, but not as bad as Alex's. I have 3 of them, if Alex wants another one, I'd be willing to donate.
Would changing the sharpening angle help?
Looks like I'm lucky my 2 attempts to buy failed! My $10 went to a $20 D2 knife (on sale) from Sitivien.
I sharpened my crowbar too 😆 its very very sharp. With a 14 dps it push cuts 😎
Love it when the Chipmunk voice comes out❣️
The coating and finish in the close ups looks like all the 420A steel knifes.
Based on steel type, the ozark trails knife should have significantly outperformed the Vosteed, assuming it actually has D2 AND it was heat-treated properly. It sure doesn’t act like D2.
They have a white version in a diff package for less than 10 bucks looks the same. At Walmart
My cjrb pyrite lite is the same. Cut like 10 ft of cardboard and the edge is trashed. I'd send it in for the same test if I could.
Well I haven't used mine much yet , but if mine dulls fast. I'll just try heat treating it agin .
You get what you pay for! D2 is supposed to cut almost twice as much as 14c28n when properly heat treated lol
Knife of year!
Enjoying your descent into madness
Dang good video mad respect
I think a standard Victorinox knife may cut more before dull.
You can find civivi knives for about 20 bucks, so I think I'd rather just buy those, maybe when I was in the trades and didn't know much about knives I would have bought it but once you start using something from a reputable brand it's hard to go back to mystery steel, loose screws, crappy lock and alignment knives
I mean ... its prob pretty bad if you review it with any kind of quality standard in mind BUT thats also its good aspect. its cheap, the steel is soft and therefore easily sharpened, you dont mind if you lose it and you can go to town with it without the worry of breaking a 300$ knife.
The negative is kinda the positive.
The overall knife is good "enough" too.
True thoouughh.. the other 10$ knife blew it out of the water, so that would also go against the argument that "it's 10$ so it being bad is ok"
Its just a random shitty tool you can get at some big market. It does what it needs to do and goes into the bin if it doesnt do that.
+ the heat treatment on this D2 is probably like gambling during the Wild West, you never know what you get.
Like he said ... opinions are split.
I have the same $9 Amazon knife! Actually a couple in different motorcycle riding pants. And I bought a few as a disposable EDC for friends.
..as for the Ozark Trail 99% it's not D2. Send it to nerd or somebody else for testing.
Nothing more common than a Chinese steel maker selling you chinesium rather than what you ordered! Asking a foreign company with no legal risk to not deliver the right product is asking to get scammed. The point isn't that they don't know it's probably not D2, it's that they can say it's D2 and argue that's what they really thought on the micro chance that they sued for it.
Anyways just saying Trump is going to tariff the hell out of these knives so you'll probably stop seeing them. I wouldn't make another run of these before he goes into office.
How much did you pay for it?
Newer sub here. Here for sharping.... But it would be awesome if you did a best of EDC's $10-20, $20-30, $30-40, $50+. Breaking down performance, blade material, ergonomics etc..
Thanks for the sub! Appreciate it👊
thinking about getting into knife making buying a forge soon
Nailed it! 👍
Sometimes you get what you pay for.
The good thing is you didn't pay anything , so you are ahead of the game.
Some people have all the luck.
BTW- nice video. 🤓
Be that guy... BE THAT FUCKIN GUY!
Cpm. D2 and regular D2 are different I'm sure they required different heat treats
Well........ I guess the next step is breaking it to see the grain structure?
- it's just 9.99!
me: yeah, I do remember "127 Hours" (2010) 😏
Crocodile Dundee at the end 😂
I've seen people get much better results so most definitely it's just a roll of dice when buying this knife, when they're producing it this cheap there's definitely no room for any QC. I mean maxlvledc got 10 of them and 3 had warped blades lol.
I think if you have to buy 3 to get a good one its a $30 knife at that point 😉😂
Pls do a review of the cold steel kudu lite and pls compare it to this knife
Best knife channel that I've ever watched, and trust me I watch a lot of knife videos...
Huge rrspect ftom the UK Alex 💪🇬🇧, while we're still allowed to own knives anyhoo... 🙄😊
Glad to hear that! 🙏👊
oh man!!!!! i love you soooo much!!!!!
Sharpal has ceramic knock off Kuro’s 1000/6000 2 pack for 19.99!!!!
That is so weird. If it is DR and it 60 RC you would think it would do at least average for the steel. Im seeing a lot of D2 knives coming from China and I think they are using D2 ad the selling point for their junk heat treats. I mean Bos heat treated 420 and made it a pretty good steel for Buck
The hardness measurement was taken on the flat portion not near the apex. Its realistic to assume that the hardest could be way different at the cutting edge and in the middle of the blade. Hardness only tell of a small amount about overall blade health.
@@OUTDOORS55 Im sure. There is a lot of science to the heat treating and creating a crystal structure, carbides etc etc. Im knife nut but only know enough about steel to pretend lol!
Hardness, toughness and edge retention are three different things.
Of course
Was that an Eastwing pry bar?
Yes 👍
Hilarious to me that a $10 knife cutting cardboard has worse edge retention than a $1 kitchen knife chopping wood
To be fair, wood is more of an apex stability test, not really an edge retention test. Testing two different things.🙂
OZARK GRAIL! 😂🙌
Damn, didn't know this channel also reviewed hammers
Based on this information, my $700 Medford should cut 1400’ of cardboard on one sharpening… cool😂
It's the Stanley tumbler of knives
I can't believe you sold out to a sharpening machine.
What?😂😂
@SuperSteelSteve he used to be the Whetstone King. That's why I started watching him. Extremely talented. Now, he uses a machine that every Tom Dick and Harry without any experience can use. No Talent there.
@alexolivarez732
So because he changed his sharpening style he's a sell out?? 🤣🤣
Bro, you can't be serious.
People's preferences change. Maybe he doesn't feel like spending the mental concentration to sharpen every single time. Maybe the fixed angle system is just faster for him.
His value as a youtuber creator, and as a human doesn't hinge on how often he uses whetstones.
Hes definitely no sell out. My first car was a stick shift, but I buy automatics now because it suits my lifestyle now.
Same idea man.
Haha, it was so i can put an exact 20 degree edge on everything tested 🙂
@@OUTDOORS55 An exact 20 degree angle? How could youuuuuuuu🙀
To me the best knife is the one that's the most durable.
in your opinion,.....what is it worth?
For me? Nothing, I wouldn't have a use for it. For other people it may have some value depending on what you use it for. It would be a great first knife for young people 👍
I disliked everything about this knife. It was terrible to sharpen. Didn’t hold an edge. Felt like it would snap under pressure. Materials that would just fall apart. I prefer quality even in a beater. I gave away all the ones I had. Didn’t make content on it because I would not recommend it.
As the Old saying goes, You Get What You Pay For
Division 2 D2
Didn't you show in one of your vids that even a 1$ knife will cut very long when fully deburred? So what gives?
Yes, that's exactly the problem. I don't know. This was the worst knife i ever tested for edge retention. However, testing the $1 knife with wood is more of an apex stability test, not really an edge retention test. So we are testing and comparing two different things. So comparing the $1 knife apex stability test to this d2 cardboard test isn't apples to apple. That being said, this was the worst knife, I've ever tested for edge retention.
@@OUTDOORS55 The damascus knife from pakistan was worse if you consider that a knife and not just a knife shaped object.
I forgot about the pakistan Damascus 😂 It might be a tie😆
To be fair, you did compare d2 to 14c.. Which in my opinion is the best budget steel. I know d2 On paper is supposed to outperform sanvik but In every real world test 14c28n Is the budget magnacut
I know, i didnt plan that. I literally grabbed it because it's about $40, the same color, and axis lock. I guess the stars aligned 😂
Got to be - " THE GUY " ..... Wish I could get my hands on one ! Cos of all the ? reviews . GRIT ! make a more gritty edge .. A lot of ?? steel respond to more grit !
Dream killer...
Of course you can give a $10 knife a bad review, you get what you pay for.
Maybe it is Pakistani D2. Americans will buy just about anything. Enjoyed the review! Maybe you could leave it laying on a filling station sink so someone else can enjoy it. LOL
This Knife is already $45-60 on Amazon
Which one?
Umm. No I won't pay 40 to open French fry bags.
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂. Thank you.