Superbon vs Marat Grigorian 3
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superbon has left knee injury since round 1 that should explain his changed game plan, but a close fight indeed
I thought the decision was ok. I would rather take the punches superbon received than all those knees and kick. That being said, if Marat would of got the decision i wouldn't have been upset in the slightest. Superbon look so overtrained recently though. Even in the second Marat fight he looked tired quickly.
Overtrained or undertrained?
@@user-pd9ju5dk5s absolutely overtrained. His routine is crazy and Thais in general train the old ways.
He received it to the guard (the kicks and knees) but those punches that superbon received koed him. So I can’t really make sense of what you’re saying
@@Deimian676 oh blah blah blah this guy is the biggest excuser for Armenian fighters, always an excuse
@@user-pd9ju5dk5s oh blah blah blah, and I guess when allazov koed superbon what were you saying ? Oh that’s right crying
I would say 1-2 Superbon, 3-4 Marat. And for the 5th my insight isn’t good enough to judge who was better. So Im good with the decision, but Marat winning would be fine too.
In KB scoring criteria, kicks to the arms don't score and neither do strikes that don't affect your opponent. I thought Matat edged out 5 with punches that snapped Bon's head back, plus leg kicks that buckled him. Bon's strikes didn't look powerful at all with his obvious fatigue, nor did they seem to affect Marat in the slightest. Not to mention it's generally accepted that a fighter who is clearly, visibly fatigued in a round doesnt win that round unless they get a knockdown or the opponent is even more fatigue. Marat didn't look the tiniest bit tired so that breaks the tie for me.
Love hearing your thoughts on fighters Gabriel! Could you do a video on 5 things Sean Strickland does so well for his upcoming fight against Paulo Costa?
He doesn’t do anything well besides Perry and jab , he has a decent teep of his lead leg which I guess is kinda impressive for a middleweight but he’s not even a big middleweight so it’s not that Impressive. Honestly the most high level part of Sean’s game is something that rarely sees him using it because of the weight class he is in , it’s his defensive grappling and ability to sweep from bottom , he is deceptively strong . But I’m sure you’re talking about just in a striking sense and that is really it bud he’s not some world class striker or even really a good striker to be honest , he’s durable and he is willing to keep putting on pressure though keeping a stick in your face and once he has you pinned against the cage he will let his two go , he doesn’t like letting his two fly because I think he knows he doesn’t keep his balance well and his feet don’t stay under him when he’s throwing it and he doesn’t want to get caught over extended . No im not a 5x world champion like Gabriel is but I did stay in a Holiday Inn Express last night .
Hey Gabriel I have watched your first fight with Adamchuck a few times and I think you should of won that fight personality
ONE's scoring criteria goes as follows (starting from most important to least important): Knockdowns, Damage, Strikes Landed, Agression and Control/Ring Generalship. There were no knockdowns, not a lot of visible damage on either fighter, so it mainly comes down to strikes landed and who was being more aggressive and controlling the ring. I have no clue how someone can give Superbon the win based on ONE's offical scoring criteria. Dude landed 2-3 punches for every knee Superbon landed and pressured him the entire fight. It was a close *fight*, but it was not a close *match*. Awful decision
Agreed for the life of me if this was a Muay Thai fight I could see it going to superbon but not under their scoring criteria
I think Marat was a lot more active and aggressive. Landed the cleaner shots and I think deserved the win. But at the same time I prefer Thai style 😃
nah, superbon won 4-1
based opinion
Yeah I think Marat won just by a little bit but superbon is cooler
Marat landed more solid punches, but Marat need to train more knee and kick.
yea i thought it's a change of strategy, but seems like he's not in optimal condition.
At least it's a close fight, not like someone said that it's obviously Marat's Win. And nearly no one notices the Marat's double-swollened left thigh?
I think Superbon needs to work on his anaerobic conditioning e.g., sprints and pull back on the aerobic long-distance running that traditional Thai gryms love. His last fight with Grigorian he could've fought another 5 rounds, but Grigorian really increased the pace this time
You can see buakaw's shadow on his style
Ps: yeah i know both are from banchamek gym
If this were MT scoring criteria then it would be Bon, but in KB you have to give it to Marat. It was somewhat close and Bon scored with a lot of knees but with his visible fatigue in the final 3 rounds his strikes didn't look like they had any zip to them, more wet noodles than baseball bats. Nor did it look like they were having any effect on Marat. 48/47 Marat for me, no question.
I’d personally score it 3-2 for Marat. 16:47
Surely in kickboxing, the judges give credit if you actually kick (and knee)? Maybe somebody should tell Grigorian... Sure, he punches harder, but if they're not hard enough to get a knockdown, then technical superiority (including a much higher range of techniques) counts.
Yo gabriel u should make an vidio on how to talk to ur coach and how to be comfortable around him and asking questions
u just gotta be you’ll never get better if ur afraid to ask questions no video needed
What kind of question is this lol?
damn im a huge superbon fan but I dont know if he got that one under kickboxing rules Gabe. Under Traditional Muay Thai rules I see how superbon could've won because of the knees and kicks he was landing. Even then tho, just on the eye test/damage Gregorian was laying it on superbon and superbon gassed out. I was worried about seeing superbon get knocked out.
I honestly thought superbon lost. And he was so out of his normal energy... something was clearly off with superbon.
Looks like Marat won on face value, may need a more in-depth look however
I think Superbon by split decision but barely... def not unanimous
Makes no sense
Close fight. But superbon took round 5 with more knee and punches.
I didn’t know throwing more to the guard score points . But ok
@@Deimian676 well, all 3 judges also score same the decision as me so who r u to know better? Okay
@@bunmeng007 the same judges that are scoring it in Thailand ? You make it sound like judges don’t get it wrong or are nonsensical . This is one of those. Okay!
@@Deimian676 is there any chance u got it wrong urself? Watch more kickboxing and learn about one kickboxing scoring rules boy. Okay...
@@bunmeng007 been watching for over 25 years . Is there a good chance you just started watching band is impressed with kicks hitting guard ?
Felt like Grigorian was dominating most of it but perhaps that is due to his style.
I feel Marat hit more but Superbon hit more effective.
I thought you weren't giving superbon enough credit for the amount of stepthrough knees he landed. He did look very fatigued and marat landed the bigger shots though.
He landed on the guard and bicep (majority of them) so no credit deserved
i mean some did, but a lot were straight on the guts.
This was a masterclass of a performance from Marat Grigorian in my opinion Gabriel, after rewatching the fight, the first time I watched it I had 4-1 Marat, but after rewatching it again I have Marat again winning the last three rounds of the fight and Superbon edging the first two rounds with his kicks, but overall Marat definetly should have won that and in my opinion that was a controversial decision but overall an amazing fight non the less, very intriguing and exciting to watch!
do you think all the kicking tired out superbon ? never seen him gassed like that.
@@aethos0 I think he did not take this fight serious enough, otherwise he would not be gassed out!
"Masterclass performance.." 🤦♂️😂🤣
Superbon undoubtedly took it & both r/kickboxing & r/Muaythai (MT/KB practitioners & fanatics) agrees - like it's not even a debate.. rounds were close but Superbon edged almost all...
If those knees truly werent doin much like some here are sayin then Marat would've pressured relentlessly & doubled the amount punches thrown tryin to headhunt..
Though I'm a Superbon fan, but it seems like Marat was the winner
In my opinion this was kind of boring idk if it was because of how intertaining ufc 300 was or if its just the fight itself
not giving 3,4,5 to Marat is legit sign of lack of understanding in Kickboxing. These scorecards are big jokes.
Not convinced that Superbon did enough to win.
Disagree. All Marat did was throw punches and he missed majority of them. Superbon was more active landing more clean knees
@@user-pd9ju5dk5ssuperbon kicking and kneeing to marats guards is meaningless. Marat landed clean punches all night. Those are the same punches that koed superbon .
@@Deimian676clean punches gtfo 😂😂😂 he missed like 65% all his punches
@@user-pd9ju5dk5s he missed 65% of his punches . So did allazov when he koed superbon what’s your point ?
@@Deimian676 No point arguing with Superbon/Rodtang fanboys. They’re fanatics and their ‘idol’ can do no wrong
I really can’t believe people are saying superbon took the fight look at pressure from marat look at superbons face look at damage
Bear in mind, this is not muaythai so why they’re scoring like one
3,4,5 Marat for me. Left kicks to the arms were impressive but didn’t affect the fight much.
Marat looked tired, Superbon looked COOKED. Something must've gone wrong in general, hardly their best showing. Marat using calf kicks at short range was a novelty ngl, and i had him edge out the fight.
Superbon easy.. both r/kickboxing & r/Muaythai (MT/KB practitioners & fanatics) agrees - like it's not even a debate.. rounds were close but Superbon edged almost all...
If those knees truly werent doin much like some here are sayin then Marat would've pressured relentlessly & doubled the amount punches thrown tryin to headhunt..
Damage and fatigue was the biggest factor for this fight for Marat that lets me think he won
Under kickboxing rules, I feel Marat should have won (it was close). If it was traditional Muay Thai rules, than the fight would have gone to Superbon.
I agree
Its theft, superbon lost it..
Disgusting fight in terms of how they scored it
😂 Stay mad 😂😂
@@user-pd9ju5dk5s cope, what happened in January 2023 😂
@@Deimian676This 🤡 is a well known simp of Superbon. Oh wait scratch that. For all Thai fighters. His supreme leader is that 8limbed blah blah dude
Superbon easy.. both r/kickboxing & r/Muaythai (MT/KB practitioners & fanatics) agrees - like it's not even a debate.. rounds were close but Superbon edged almost all...
If those knees truly werent doin much like some here are sayin then Marat would've pressured relentlessly & doubled the amount punches thrown tryin to headhunt..
@@onlyone664 I don’t ever see Marat’s back against the ropes . This isn’t Muay Thai .
I think Marat won, Superbons knees were devastating but didn’t seem to do much damage and not all landed. Marat kept the pressure on and kept the combinations going ( head body leg), But all in all good fight.
He throws no kicks
Y Superbon solo usa los puños para abrazar a Marat@@djamillakhdar-hamina3824
@@djamillakhdar-hamina3824he threw plenty low kicks. If you don't think they mattered just say that
If Superbon's knees weren't doing damage then surely Marat would've been even more active pressing forward
Marat robbed
man i don't understand kickboxing rules at all. love superbon but can't see how he won that lol
Agreed, Marat looked in control all fight
@@thebarnavewalking forward getting blasted with knees is not “control”
@@thebarnave walking forward and pressuring is not control, if marat were to counter and deny certain movement from superbon while forcing him to uncomfortable position than that is consider as control. While that is being said fighting while moving back is totally other skill that is not easy to do.
I think you may want to slow mo the fight and watch again. @@bryankong4412
@@djamillakhdar-hamina3824huh? Getting kneed to the guard isn’t the same thing as getting kneed in the torso , this isn’t Muay thai
No ones falling for that superbon win everyone thinks Grigorian won
Both r/kickboxing & r/Muaythai (MT/KB practitioners & fanatics) agrees - like it's not even a debate.. rounds were close but Superbon edged almost all...
@@onlyone664bro actually cites reddit as a source
@@GAtTheTop hilarious that you think you're makin some valid argument.. so it's either TH-cam comments frequented by the everybody & their momma Vs a very specific subreddit where people have keen interest & actually study & practice the subject @ hand.. hmm..🧐🧐
@@GAtTheTopReddit is a way better source than casuals on TH-cam lmao.
this Thai man (Muay_MMA) said, 🤪🤪🤪🤪🤪🤪🤪
@Muay_MMA
Come on Thai fan, mention more muay thai, 3 are not enough xD
Heheheh rekt!, I get more posts and it pisses you off more, so you rage quit,
I'll preface by saying I'm not a kickboxer, I do Muay Thai. So don't really have a solid grasp on the scoring of kickboxing. But, it definitely looked like that should have gone in the favor of Marat, no doubt about it. Love Superbon, one of my current favorite fighters, but that just was not as solid of a performance as I'd expect out of him. Marat was playing bobble-head with Superbon the whole match and almost nothing Superbon threw seemed to have any effect on Marat, even those solid knees. And Marat also had forward pressure for the vast majority of the fight. I could see a split decision, but not unanimous.
"playing bobblehead".. you mean missing power shots & uppercuts?? "Nothing Superbon threw seemed to have any effect"
Superbon easy.. both r/kickboxing & r/Muaythai (MT/KB practitioners & fanatics) agrees - like it's not even a debate.. rounds were close but Superbon edged almost all...
If those knees truly werent doin much like some here are sayin then Marat would've pressured relentlessly & doubled the amount punches thrown tryin to headhunt..
@@onlyone664 Marat did pressure relentlessly after the second round though. He did miss a lot of shots too, definitely had a lower thrown/hit ratio than Superbon did, but threw more shots overall. Regardless though, congrats to Superbon! Happy to see him winning again!
Agreed brother
@@onlyone664superbon easy what? As you can see not a lot of people agree with the decision. Clearly contested . Superbon was getting uppercut throughout rounds
@@Deimian676 Depends on the demographic.. it isn't contested in either r/muaythai or r/kickboxing but ofcourse the "contesters" are going to be overrepresented in a vid like this where the likes of you commenting "disgusting decision" as though it was a flatout robbery are going to come seeking validation & leave a bunch of comments whereas most might just pass by.. 🤷
i dont like this fight at all so boring superbon is not a spectaculair fighter like allazov or bukaw
Kickboxing is a joke sport nowadays if people think this fight could have been scored for Grigorian.
He ate more knees and more kicks to the body, and more leg kicks but he somehow won because a few punches passed Superbon's guard??
Really, unless there is a finish, kickboxing is a joke nowadays. Ever since clinch and catching kicks were banned.
It has now become a sport for people to throw combos in the pocket and exchange leg kicks.
Total shit.
AGREE. There is no real clear rule about kickboxing and it changes every now and then. And nobody considers the double-swollen of Marat's left leg means a lot of damage that Superbon did to him... Marat is just too strong to show his damage, but it doesn't mean it's not exist.
Are you dumb? About 75 percent of the strikes thrown hit marats guard . The rest were on target round 1-2 and that’s it
@@nicolejiang9070 Also even Garbriel said about visible damage as if Superbon's left kick doesn't hurt. It's crazy
Marat should have won. Regardless, Alazov is at another level🏆
Every clown 🤡 in the comment rooting for Superbon talking about Superbon winning because of his knees and kicks.
Well did they do one bit of damage to Marat? *Neutralised* is the word to use for Superbon in this fight. Panting away and gasping for air.
I’ve said it once and I’ll say it again - Superbon is a one trick pony with the high kick to the head. If you neutralise that, you’ve nothing to worry about, just focus on knocking him out.
Marat failed in that aspect, and paid for it by letting a weak Superbon win the belt.