For the Racers who run 53 x 39 you can now run 11 , 32 without losing access to the 16 and 17 cogs which is the great advantage . Jumping from 15 to 17 can often feel too big of a jump in the big ring
I wish they would offer a record quality alloy groupo- Im doing Potenza/h11 on my cross bike for the polished finished, and campag is my preference between the 3 brands
Good review again David. I like Campy shifters and 12 speed would obviously be essential in race circles. Data could prove that point too. But for me (old and slow) 10 speed still does a good enough job. If I was a young highly tuned racer I would have it in a flash. Nice looking bike too.
During Covid lockdowns I upgraded my Cervelo from a 10 speed Chorus groupset to a Compact crank 12 Speed Record, best buy in years, the extra gear range has made cycling up some hills more enjoyable with my aging legs!
Rather than needing 12 speed, just some different options on the 11 speed cassettes. The only time I use my 11 tooth cog is to take my back wheel off. A 12-32 or 13-34 11 speed cassette would serve me better
I can't keep up. I got the Sram 10 Red in 2012 and that was current for about a month. Then I just got the Campy Super Record 11. Love it. But now, if I want to get cassettes and chain rings that work for the groupo, I will have to upgrade?? I mean, will there still be 11 speed Campy replacement stuff. I would upgrade, except, I certainly don't need another gear, and I really don't like the look of the rear derailleur these days. The second I did upgrade, there will be a 13 speed anyway, solar powered and mind controlled.
I’ve been using a 12 speed campagnola chorus for about a month and the difference I notice is there is no big jump when your climbing and you need an easier gear so you don’t lose your rhythm I have the 52/36. I still have 11 on one bike but I’ve always found I had too larger jump where I didn’t want up it in fact I prefer my old 10 12/23 block as it’s smoother jumps
Campagnolo's body has not chnaged since 1997. They designed it with sufficent deep splines from the start. cogs grinding their way into Camapgnolo aluminum frrehubs has not been a problem for 22y. Shimano/SRAM even had the issue on steel and ti bodies.
I saw lately a casette 10-28 with in front 34/50.. don't need a big 53 anymore for highspeed and with 34/28 you have enough climbinggears.. for racing would be nice with a 10-21 casette in the back and a 50 in front.. I would like that..
"First disc from Campa" wrong. First was H11 gruppo. Btw, saying things like "choice between double, and compact chainsets" dosen't exactly make much sense... I love the fact that they made the choice to only make 29 and 32t cassettes. I mean, who rides a 25 (or less) nowadays? I myself prefer a close ratio, but I still need to be able to ride uphill, so 29 is perfect. And if going mountain climbing, you smack on a 32 and you're almost at 1:1 ratio with a 34 chainring
umm actually the 8 or 9 speed has the same gear range or more(11-34 for 8 and 9 speed) on road bikes like 11or 12 ( 11-30 is shimano dura ace maximum, 11-29 is campagnolo super record maximum, and the sram top groupset can do 11-32 i believe)
No thanks. I'd rather groupset manufacturers concentrated on making groupsets last longer. 11 and 12 speed cassettes cost a fortune and only last 3000 miles.
@@roadcc they should make a 10 and 11 speed with the thinner sprockets but with the regular wider 10/11 chain then there should be even less friction. Can we remove a sprocket from the 12 speed and turn it into a 11 speed and use the wider 11 speed chain? Is the chain rings thinner aswell? Will the wider 11 speed chain work with it?
bushgreen no, simply removing a Sprocket doesn’t change the gap between sprockets the dictates the chain width parameter. The chainring width is likely the same because this is determined by the min/max chain angle, which, because bikes may have different chainlines, is a somewhat generic figure. The 11 speed chain will not work as the gap between cogs in the back is too narrower.
What u don’t need is moronic motorcycle brakes on a road bike. I’m all for Campy and been on it for over 30 years. But they screwed the pooch. Two useless cassettes (no 18). They should offer as a straight block for flatlanders. Also a primitive chain joining method. Dura Ace chains now also use a link. No stupid pin. They could have also offered pedals. 12 speed was an absolute waste of engineering effort. Other things mentioned above wound have been better IMO.
But where is the classic carbon fibre Campagnolo look? This looks so much like the Ultegra of the new Shimano range! Where are all the delicate naked carbon fibre on the shifters etc.? this marbled carbon fibre looks like cheap plastic to be honest.
I know Jeremy, I've had to change the brake blocks three times in seven years, the rest of it might last as long as the Sistine chapel, but it's in my living room and looks nearly as good. Press fit mass production in mile long factories might float your boat, but the sheer boredom of owning Shim in the past sinks mine.
Campagnolo component look awesome for sure but I have 2 major issue with it. Price and shifter. I hate shimano on a mtb but on road bike it work all fine. It is so cheap I can break it and laugh!
Firstly: it looks awful. The crank looks like a plastic toy and the rear mech looks like Shimano Tourney. Cheap and ugly Secondly: at least make the effort of checking the brand name's pronounciation before recording a piece about it.
I got Campagnolo record 12 speed on my new Casati bike. Italian stallion 👍💪
For the Racers who run 53 x 39 you can now run 11 , 32 without losing access to the 16 and 17 cogs which is the great advantage . Jumping from 15 to 17 can often feel too big of a jump in the big ring
16t and 18t cog is equally desired on 50/34....
I wish they would offer a record quality alloy groupo- Im doing Potenza/h11 on my cross bike for the polished finished, and campag is my preference between the 3 brands
Do I need Campagnolo? No. Do I need 12 speed? No. Do I want either of them? SHUT UP AND TAKE MY MONEY!
Take 4 cogs off the back (and the clutch) and put 1 cog on the front... Job done
Good review again David. I like Campy shifters and 12 speed would obviously be essential in race circles. Data could prove that point too. But for me (old and slow) 10 speed still does a good enough job. If I was a young highly tuned racer I would have it in a flash. Nice looking bike too.
During Covid lockdowns I upgraded my Cervelo from a 10 speed Chorus groupset to a Compact crank 12 Speed Record, best buy in years, the extra gear range has made cycling up some hills more enjoyable with my aging legs!
Would love to have 12-speed as I'm using a single chainring in front. :)
Rather than needing 12 speed, just some different options on the 11 speed cassettes. The only time I use my 11 tooth cog is to take my back wheel off. A 12-32 or 13-34 11 speed cassette would serve me better
If you ask the wifey I don't need anything but her. In my opinion life is too short so I get the good shit and Campag's 12-speed sounds good to me :)
I can't keep up. I got the Sram 10 Red in 2012 and that was current for about a month. Then I just got the Campy Super Record 11. Love it. But now, if I want to get cassettes and chain rings that work for the groupo, I will have to upgrade?? I mean, will there still be 11 speed Campy replacement stuff. I would upgrade, except, I certainly don't need another gear, and I really don't like the look of the rear derailleur these days. The second I did upgrade, there will be a 13 speed anyway, solar powered and mind controlled.
I just ordered the Campy Super Record 12-spd groupset from Merlin Cycles for $1888!!!! Cant wait!
Let us know how you get on!
Will do!@@roadcc
Joe Joe well??
If we don´t need Campagnolo 12s, what about Campagnolo 13s?
Just started riding my new 12 speed disk. Much nicer than my 19 year old 10 speed Record
1x12 TT setup pretty please. With single chainrings going up to 58T & more rear casette options. And hydraulic brake levers aswell.
Conclusion will be more common in 5 -10yrs time. That's about right 👍. Will wait till then.
I want . I don't need but I want
I’ve been using a 12 speed campagnola chorus for about a month and the difference I notice is there is no big jump when your climbing and you need an easier gear so you don’t lose your rhythm I have the 52/36. I still have 11 on one bike but I’ve always found I had too larger jump where I didn’t want up it in fact I prefer my old 10 12/23 block as it’s smoother jumps
I bet you don't prefer it up the steep stuff 😀
@@roadcc we don’t have steep stuff in Norfolk just unrelenting headwinds
shimano is like to use microsline w their 12sp and sram the driver r for theirs... so there will now be 3 friggin freebody stds
Campagnolo's body has not chnaged since 1997. They designed it with sufficent deep splines from the start. cogs grinding their way into Camapgnolo aluminum frrehubs has not been a problem for 22y. Shimano/SRAM even had the issue on steel and ti bodies.
12 speed fanatic here. I can't live without 12 speed.
To me a 12 speed is 6 in the rear and 2 in the front.
Need? No. Want? Heck yes.
im updating my pinarellp LA84 columbus spx bike to 12 speed campy , it spread to 130mm on the baCK TO TAKE
I want it, but that price tag is ridiculous. Even Potenza 11 disc is like 2.5x as expensive as the rim brake version.
I saw lately a casette 10-28 with in front 34/50.. don't need a big 53 anymore for highspeed and with 34/28 you have enough climbinggears.. for racing would be nice with a 10-21 casette in the back and a 50 in front.. I would like that..
Take 4 cogs off the back (and the clutch) and put 1 cog on the front. Job done.
Campy fan for years. Love this groupset but that carbon lump of a crank just gives me a bit of the cringe. Could have sculpted it a bit better.
Of course. Absolutely necessary imo
"First disc from Campa" wrong. First was H11 gruppo.
Btw, saying things like "choice between double, and compact chainsets" dosen't exactly make much sense...
I love the fact that they made the choice to only make 29 and 32t cassettes. I mean, who rides a 25 (or less) nowadays? I myself prefer a close ratio, but I still need to be able to ride uphill, so 29 is perfect. And if going mountain climbing, you smack on a 32 and you're almost at 1:1 ratio with a 34 chainring
You need like atleast 22 speed when you have hills with a grade of like 20%+
With out pedals it does not matter how many gears there are.
I'm assuming you need to upgrade everything for the 12 speed?
Only the groupset, not the free hub, wheel or frame
@@roadcc Thank you. I guess I'll be waiting for Shimano's 12 speed.
Bound to be on the cards, no idea how long before we see it though
going Record with super record derailleurs cassete and chain :) cant wait to upgrade my bianchi
Nice!!
Canyon ultimate vs giant tcr, which bike are you going for and why?
ready to ride weight? and wheelbase?
if you live in the Hallelujah Mountains, maybe 12 speed is for you. if not, 10 speeds will get you up the hill.
umm actually the 8 or 9 speed has the same gear range or more(11-34 for 8 and 9 speed) on road bikes like 11or 12 ( 11-30 is shimano dura ace maximum, 11-29 is campagnolo super record maximum, and the sram top groupset can do 11-32 i believe)
Dave I see that your attire matched the bike. Purpose or coincidence?
Don't be silly. He's not that organised 😂
Campagnolo, il migliore! Non c'e' confronto!
No thanks. I'd rather groupset manufacturers concentrated on making groupsets last longer. 11 and 12 speed cassettes cost a fortune and only last 3000 miles.
dont think so, if you take care and clean them once in a while, my sram force 11 speed cassette lasts for 12000 km and perfect shifting still :)
Why are you wearing different coloured socks?
Because Dave doesn't play by the rules 😎
Обзор у заборчика на даче.
Душевно.
Can i use a different crank? Fsa
Need? No. The end 😉
So there you go cycling world, decision made 😉
CAM-PAN-YO-LO. Not CAM-PAG-NO-LO. Thanks :-)
Isn't there more friction making the chain thinner because the inside of the chain will touch the cogs more?
Not that we noticed in testing. Can’t see why there would be more rub because the chain is thinner, as the sprockets are correspondingly thinner
@@roadcc they should make a 10 and 11 speed with the thinner sprockets but with the regular wider 10/11 chain then there should be even less friction.
Can we remove a sprocket from the 12 speed and turn it into a 11 speed and use the wider 11 speed chain?
Is the chain rings thinner aswell?
Will the wider 11 speed chain work with it?
bushgreen no, simply removing a Sprocket doesn’t change the gap between sprockets the dictates the chain width parameter.
The chainring width is likely the same because this is determined by the min/max chain angle, which, because bikes may have different chainlines, is a somewhat generic figure.
The 11 speed chain will not work as the gap between cogs in the back is too narrower.
@@RyonBeachner then they should make a 11 speed with the thinner cogs but with Gaps for the 11 speed chain.
bushgreen what would that solve?
12 speed..... nope! I’m waiting for 13 speed.
Rotor have launched their 13 speed groupset and it's hydraulic too.
this aged well
As I read those comments, most of them, we can say that religion is the basic of war :-)
Whats that song in the beginning?
It's some generic free rights TH-cam music
Yes you do
Waiting for 15 sprockets and no chainring up front... that would be really aerodynamic...
I think bosche might be able to help you out.
Yes
Ah.. The pronounce..
pronunciation* 😉
*un-subscription 😉
ShimaNo cable housing, blasphemy!
campy 11 spd runs on a campy 10 speed hub
What u don’t need is moronic motorcycle brakes on a road bike. I’m all for Campy and been on it for over 30 years. But they screwed the pooch. Two useless cassettes (no 18). They should offer as a straight block for flatlanders. Also a primitive chain joining method. Dura Ace chains now also use a link. No stupid pin. They could have also offered pedals. 12 speed was an absolute waste of engineering effort. Other things mentioned above wound have been better IMO.
Waiting for 14 speed and one ring chainsets 😈
Please don't pronounce it like Campack! nolo. It sounds terrible.
I think he missed the BikeRadar video on how to pronounce cycling company names.
He pronounced it in three different ones lol it's 'kampannyolo'.
@@gianclone ... in three different ways* ...
odd socks?
Dave has zero shame 🤷♂️
The pro riders probably dictate development and choices they want. The rest of us just follow.
CAMPACK
Hang on....you can't feel any difference and its roughly $1000 more therefore its a "no brainer"? hmm 6:25
But where is the classic carbon fibre Campagnolo look? This looks so much like the Ultegra of the new Shimano range! Where are all the delicate naked carbon fibre on the shifters etc.? this marbled carbon fibre looks like cheap plastic to be honest.
Do I want a Campy 12 speed. Are you mad, of course I do. FFS ITS Campay, nothing compares or has the heritage for a purist cashed up cyclist
2000£ for a groupset lol
The Communist
For Mechanical groupset!
@@mikicastan is it that much of a difference btw the mech and Electronic groupset?
I have Campagnolo Super Record 11s Red Label groupset but for me that 12s is the most ugly Campagnolo groupset ever and the road bikes with discs too.
no
12 speed, yes. Campy, no.
I know Jeremy, I've had to change the brake blocks three times in seven years, the rest of it might last as long as the Sistine chapel, but it's in my living room and looks nearly as good. Press fit mass production in mile long factories might float your boat, but the sheer boredom of owning Shim in the past sinks mine.
@Timotei of Bollow I'm happy with Chorus myself; of course SD was miles ahead of being in just the chorus.
@Timotei of Bollow And her solo work ain't too shabby over a fair number of albums either.
Campagnolo component look awesome for sure but I have 2 major issue with it. Price and shifter. I hate shimano on a mtb but on road bike it work all fine. It is so cheap I can break it and laugh!
@@northman77 I'm the reverse. Have Shim on my cloddy. No prob's with the Campy shifter's over seven plus years.
Dirty bike. Wash it.
Firstly: it looks awful. The crank looks like a plastic toy and the rear mech looks like Shimano Tourney. Cheap and ugly
Secondly: at least make the effort of checking the brand name's pronounciation before recording a piece about it.