I built a bike with a Chapter2 Tere frame (made in New Zealand) and Campag Record mechanical 12 speed rim brake group set. Absolutely fantastic build and riding bike. I found the ergonomics of the hoods/brakes/shifters perfect and the working of the derailleurs wonderful. I have two sets of wheels: HED and then DT Swiss rims and 240 hub for the rear and 350 hub for the front. The Ridley built here is quite similar. I highly recommend Campagnolo for anyone who will listen if they are interested in the mechanical group set. Great work on this build.
My perspective a good looking bike some echoes of premium steel from 70's, 80's, 90's such as the thin round seat stays and seat tube junction position, nice colour way. Campagnolo Chorus 12 speed mechanical including rim brakes, quality alloy climbing wheels, Deda cockpit. So for a 2022 bike, light weight with classic appearance and up to date drive train everything to like here. Skilfully done 👏 congratulations all round.
I just upgraded my Celeste steel 2017 Bianchi Vigorelli with these same wheels, Groupset, Deda cockpit and seat post one year ago. What a coincidence! I Loved the review and your commentary about Campag (especially the coffee analogy) is spot on. The build on the bike in the video turned out awesome! I live in the San Francisco Bay Area at the foothills of the Santa Cruz mountains and yes, I can attest to this wheel set being excellent for hill/mountain climbing.
if youre on disc brake and want some shamals youre in luck! The shamal carbon disc are the wheels i went for when i wanted carbon wheels. gotta love the spoke pattern.
Great video!!! This is a lot of bike without being a lot of bike!! So modern so realistic, so easy to own. And the weight, 15.84 lbs. So many bikes could realistically be in this weight class. I'm guessing the coast to be around $7000 U.S. dollars. ( less if you find discounts and build it yourself). What makes this bike even better than what the industry is pushing ...... no electronics and no disc brakes. This is a true " pump the tires and go" bike. No charging batteries . No heavy fluid filled hoses and rotors that constantly make noise. As you stated great climbing wheels. You didn't mention the outstanding breaking performance the rider with be blessed with. When coming down the mountain you've just climbed using rim brakes with be just as confidence inspiring as any disc on the market today. Oh, and the details... so many your video would have been hours long. Maybe one day you could talk and give a comparison on cables, housings and liners.( I might be the only person who believes some brands are great while other suck) Thanks again for another great video.
Beautiful build! In the process of upgrading my Seven titanium bike that has 2005 Campy stuff on it. Would you put a modern Campy 12 speed groupset like Chorus on it or go to Sram AXS instead? Trying to keep it going for another 10+ years. Can't make up my mind!
What is the availablity of spares like for Campagnolo Chorus 11-speed mech rim brake? My bike is getting on a bit and concerned that I may end up with breakages which I can't fix.
Absolutely love the new Chorus 12 speed, the 3 clicks up shifting and downshifting is amazing, especially that signature Campagnolo downshift click sound. However, I couldn't get away with that chain-clap whenever I stop after high cadence pedalling. Is that common or should I do something about it?
Do I see a quick link on a Campag 12s? I thought Campag only offered pins and that their chains were narrower than other 12s designs so aftermarket chains like KMC and the like were too wide for proper function? Am I wrong?
@@Mapdec I am currently prepping for building a bike and was hesitant to pull the trigger on the Campag 12s groupset just because of that (I like to ultrasonic clean my chain regularily). This might settle it for me! If a KMC or YBN 12s chain can work here I think I have things settled! Thanks!!
Brilliant content and editing. "Once you see it, you can't unsee it". They did such a better job with Fulcrum Racing 1 and zeros. Keep up the great builds.
That’s a stunning bike , I’m in the process myself of building my own Ridley with Campagnolo Chorus , I’m just waiting for the groupset to arrive for the rebuild , my Ridley Helium SL is an ex Lotto Soudal team Bike , can I ask what is the maximum size tyre I would be able to use on her , would I possibly get away with a 28 mm tyre
That’s quite simple. If your frame and fork just have one central mounting point you need single pivot. If you have mounting points on both sides you need the direct mount.
It's a bit of a shame that Campag is more of a "boutique brand" in nowadays cycling world and that you don't any get of these on factory-built bikes, except the usual 10.000€ bikes with Super Record EPS, indeed. Chorus is actually a nice group set at a reasonable price. I only have an old 10-speed Chorus but it's a cool statement on a build and I like the thumb shifter including neat features like the sequential upshifts (specs say 3 cogs but my 2000s version does even more than that, which is cool when you come over a crest, starting to descent).
The Ultra torque split axle system could be made much simpler if they just chose more standard threading like M14 and secured the bolt with an counter threaded M8 bolt from the drive side with a spring washer. That way they would make sure the crank would never loosen up as it would need allens keys from both sides to come apart. They could also just put a NORD LOCK pair of safety washers but i guess all those solutions were not simple or proprietary 🤬🤬🤬 enough. Then the bearings could be regular 6805 25x37x7mm and there would be no need for added safeties on the bearing cup and the axle. It is as if they purposefully designed those defects in their system just to create wear and sell parts. Also at such price not including an Interlock threadfit BB86/92 bottom bracket like the ones made by CEMA , WILLIERS, Contek etc is a disgrace.
As beautiful as Campag is, I'm in the process of moving my bikes over to Shimano. Campag's insane decisions that make their groupsets incompatible, just to satisfy their chin-stroking engineers (and for commercial reasons... the HO chainrings aren't backwards compatible with non-HO cranks, for no other reason than wanting you to replace your crankset to 'benefit' from the 2mm difference in chainline), plus releasing then pulling products off the market with not much notice, then not carrying spares so you have to swap out groupsets, has cost me more money than I care to even think about, and they won't get a penny more. On the point of the valve placement, it's not about hiding the valve, it's about ensuring the wheel is properly balanced.
They don’t put the valve in the same place on the other 3 spoke design wheels. You are right about them pulling product ranges without notice. Very annoying. Veloce disappeared overnight.
Why exactly are they an odd choice? They are the best aluminium wheels from Campagnolo and on par with their counterparts from Mavic, DT Swiss or Fulcrum (which is still Campagnolo, though). They are also lighter and cheaper than a lot of carbon wheelsets, not to mention they brake better and more consistently than any carbon wheelset. They are also extremely reliable and bombproof, especially compared to some Chinese-sourced alternatives such as Hunt, Prime or whatnot. Last, but not least, the G3 spoke pattern allows for a more consistent spoke tension between the NDS and DS spokes. They are a no brainer choice if you ask me, especially given the groupset. Had it been a Shimano or SRAM equipped bike, perhaps the Mavic or DT Swiss or Fulcrum wheels would have been a more "politically correct" alternative. I am a happy Campagnolo Zonda user for a few years now (done over 15.000 km and nearly 200.000 m of climbing and descending with them). The hubs are as smooth as they were on day 1, and the rims are barely worn (you can still feel the original fine grooves on the rim surface). When they eventually go bust (probably some 15.000-20.000 km later, if not more), I will almost surely replace them with a pair of aluminium Shamal (probably Mille for those nice black anodised rim braking surfaces) wheels just so I can shave 100 g off them.
@@Mapdec flexy compared to what other wheels? People who have used both Zondas and Shamals say that Shamals are significantly more rigid than Zondas (mainly due to their spokes), yet I don't find my Zondas flexy at all (and I'm no stranger to 12+% climbs, including La Planche des Belles Filles). Corrosion could indeed be a reason to buy carbon wheels, I give you that, but don't forget most of them have metal (steel/aluminium/brass) spokes and nipples anyway, so corrosion still is an issue. I am lucky to live far enough from the seaside and from chronically bad weather.
The Fulcrum Racing zero are better and stiffer for the money. Could have gone handbuilt DT 411 too. We are in the English Lake District 😃. Don’t sweat it dude.
I built a bike with a Chapter2 Tere frame (made in New Zealand) and Campag Record mechanical 12 speed rim brake group set. Absolutely fantastic build and riding bike. I found the ergonomics of the hoods/brakes/shifters perfect and the working of the derailleurs wonderful. I have two sets of wheels: HED and then DT Swiss rims and 240 hub for the rear and 350 hub for the front. The Ridley built here is quite similar. I highly recommend Campagnolo for anyone who will listen if they are interested in the mechanical group set. Great work on this build.
Yep. Campy has the best mechanical offer right now. Probably always had.
How is does EPS compare to Di2?
@@eijiroinouye4115 have a quick google of the price of an EPS battery
My perspective a good looking bike some echoes of premium steel from 70's, 80's, 90's such as the thin round seat stays and seat tube junction position, nice colour way. Campagnolo Chorus 12 speed mechanical including rim brakes, quality alloy climbing wheels, Deda cockpit. So for a 2022 bike, light weight with classic appearance and up to date drive train everything to like here. Skilfully done 👏 congratulations all round.
I just upgraded my Celeste steel 2017 Bianchi Vigorelli with these same wheels, Groupset, Deda cockpit and seat post one year ago. What a coincidence! I Loved the review and your commentary about Campag (especially the coffee analogy) is spot on. The build on the bike in the video turned out awesome! I live in the San Francisco Bay Area at the foothills of the Santa Cruz mountains and yes, I can attest to this wheel set being excellent for hill/mountain climbing.
Thank you Jamie. I hope you love your bike.
Excellent. I love my 12 speed chorus. Like your style…and explanations.
Thank you.
I loved this video. Excellent bike cutting out all the marketing crap that some companies try to sell us
I've been riding a,Ridley Helium with campagnolo since 2014. In fact I'm still riding 3 Ridley's with Campagnolo.
if youre on disc brake and want some shamals youre in luck! The shamal carbon disc are the wheels i went for when i wanted carbon wheels. gotta love the spoke pattern.
Thanks for the build and video, Paul. As always, great attention to detail.
Such a smart bike. It’s like it’s wearing a designer suit.
Great video!!!
This is a lot of bike without being a lot of bike!!
So modern so realistic, so easy to own. And the weight, 15.84 lbs. So many bikes could realistically be in this weight class.
I'm guessing the coast to be around $7000 U.S. dollars. ( less if you find discounts and build it yourself).
What makes this bike even better than what the industry is pushing ...... no electronics and no disc brakes.
This is a true " pump the tires and go" bike. No charging batteries . No heavy fluid filled hoses and rotors that constantly make noise.
As you stated great climbing wheels. You didn't mention the outstanding breaking performance the rider with be blessed with. When coming down the mountain you've just climbed using rim brakes with be just as confidence inspiring as any disc on the market today.
Oh, and the details... so many your video would have been hours long. Maybe one day you could talk and give a comparison on cables, housings and liners.( I might be the only person who believes some brands are great while other suck)
Thanks again for another great video.
Thank you. Glad you enjoyed it.
Usually black bikes bore me, but this is just elegant.
Never been sketchy on the descents and I've ridden 21km ones in France and Spain.
Ah, but have you ridden 20% Cumbria descents?
What a beauty
Beautiful build! In the process of upgrading my Seven titanium bike that has 2005 Campy stuff on it. Would you put a modern Campy 12 speed groupset like Chorus on it or go to Sram AXS instead? Trying to keep it going for another 10+ years. Can't make up my mind!
Tough one. If you like electronic shifts I would go SRAM. If your mechanical shift inclined, then Campy.
What is the availablity of spares like for Campagnolo Chorus 11-speed mech rim brake? My bike is getting on a bit and concerned that I may end up with breakages which I can't fix.
Patchy. I would say.
@@Mapdec What I thought, many thanks. I hope it continues to work!
Absolutely love the new Chorus 12 speed, the 3 clicks up shifting and downshifting is amazing, especially that signature Campagnolo downshift click sound. However, I couldn't get away with that chain-clap whenever I stop after high cadence pedalling. Is that common or should I do something about it?
Sounds like your Freehub is sticking
Do I see a quick link on a Campag 12s? I thought Campag only offered pins and that their chains were narrower than other 12s designs so aftermarket chains like KMC and the like were too wide for proper function? Am I wrong?
Yeah they work well and really convenient for chanin waxers. Well spotted.
@@Mapdec I am currently prepping for building a bike and was hesitant to pull the trigger on the Campag 12s groupset just because of that (I like to ultrasonic clean my chain regularily). This might settle it for me! If a KMC or YBN 12s chain can work here I think I have things settled! Thanks!!
Brilliant content and editing. "Once you see it, you can't unsee it". They did such a better job with Fulcrum Racing 1 and zeros.
Keep up the great builds.
Thank you Luis.
Wow! I’m amazed to see a full mechanical 12 speed rim
brake bike. Is campag the only brand that makes 12 speed rim brake groupsets?
Shimano still make one.
@@Mapdec also mechanical? Or Di2?
I don't remember Ultra Torque cranks needing any special tools to remove, maybe you are thinking of Power Torque?
The cranks don't need a special tool to remove, but the bearings on them do. I believe that's what he was referring to.
That’s a stunning bike , I’m in the process myself of building my own Ridley with Campagnolo Chorus , I’m just waiting for the groupset to arrive for the rebuild , my Ridley Helium SL is an ex Lotto Soudal team Bike , can I ask what is the maximum size tyre I would be able to use on her , would I possibly get away with a 28 mm tyre
That’s awesome. Yes a 28 will be fine.
@@Mapdec brilliant , I’m trying to choose between pivot brakes and direct mount but trying to find out if the latter fits the frame is a nightmare
That’s quite simple. If your frame and fork just have one central mounting point you need single pivot. If you have mounting points on both sides you need the direct mount.
This is not supposed to weigh 7.2 kg with alloy rims and mid-range group set. 😂
Beautiful bike. Was it an old frame, resprayed?
Not respray, but slightly used
Are Ridley frames / Was this Ridley frame at a level of quality that one would expect them/it to be?
This one was very nice. 🙏
Does anyone know if campagnolo 12s can use shimano cassette and chains?
I haven’t tried it to give a definite answer, let’s see if anyone has.
Yes. All 12 speed cassettes have the same spacing and are interchangeable, which hasn’t been the case since 9 speed.
It's a bit of a shame that Campag is more of a "boutique brand" in nowadays cycling world and that you don't any get of these on factory-built bikes, except the usual 10.000€ bikes with Super Record EPS, indeed. Chorus is actually a nice group set at a reasonable price. I only have an old 10-speed Chorus but it's a cool statement on a build and I like the thumb shifter including neat features like the sequential upshifts (specs say 3 cogs but my 2000s version does even more than that, which is cool when you come over a crest, starting to descent).
The Ultra torque split axle system could be made much simpler if they just chose more standard threading like M14 and secured the bolt with an counter threaded M8 bolt from the drive side with a spring washer. That way they would make sure the crank would never loosen up as it would need allens keys from both sides to come apart. They could also just put a NORD LOCK pair of safety washers but i guess all those solutions were not simple or proprietary 🤬🤬🤬 enough.
Then the bearings could be regular 6805 25x37x7mm and there would be no need for added safeties on the bearing cup and the axle.
It is as if they purposefully designed those defects in their system just to create wear and sell parts.
Also at such price not including an Interlock threadfit BB86/92 bottom bracket like the ones made by CEMA , WILLIERS, Contek etc is a disgrace.
I know right. It’s like campy just like making reasons not to buy.
As beautiful as Campag is, I'm in the process of moving my bikes over to Shimano. Campag's insane decisions that make their groupsets incompatible, just to satisfy their chin-stroking engineers (and for commercial reasons... the HO chainrings aren't backwards compatible with non-HO cranks, for no other reason than wanting you to replace your crankset to 'benefit' from the 2mm difference in chainline), plus releasing then pulling products off the market with not much notice, then not carrying spares so you have to swap out groupsets, has cost me more money than I care to even think about, and they won't get a penny more. On the point of the valve placement, it's not about hiding the valve, it's about ensuring the wheel is properly balanced.
They don’t put the valve in the same place on the other 3 spoke design wheels. You are right about them pulling product ranges without notice. Very annoying. Veloce disappeared overnight.
Campagnolo is pronounced "Come-pun-yolo"! "GN" in Italian works like "NY" in English.
Ok
What bottle cages were used in this bike?
Beautiful bike but those wheels are a very odd choice
They are a little niche for sure.
Why exactly are they an odd choice? They are the best aluminium wheels from Campagnolo and on par with their counterparts from Mavic, DT Swiss or Fulcrum (which is still Campagnolo, though). They are also lighter and cheaper than a lot of carbon wheelsets, not to mention they brake better and more consistently than any carbon wheelset. They are also extremely reliable and bombproof, especially compared to some Chinese-sourced alternatives such as Hunt, Prime or whatnot. Last, but not least, the G3 spoke pattern allows for a more consistent spoke tension between the NDS and DS spokes.
They are a no brainer choice if you ask me, especially given the groupset. Had it been a Shimano or SRAM equipped bike, perhaps the Mavic or DT Swiss or Fulcrum wheels would have been a more "politically correct" alternative.
I am a happy Campagnolo Zonda user for a few years now (done over 15.000 km and nearly 200.000 m of climbing and descending with them). The hubs are as smooth as they were on day 1, and the rims are barely worn (you can still feel the original fine grooves on the rim surface). When they eventually go bust (probably some 15.000-20.000 km later, if not more), I will almost surely replace them with a pair of aluminium Shamal (probably Mille for those nice black anodised rim braking surfaces) wheels just so I can shave 100 g off them.
You are correct in all of that, but for where we live, these are very prone to corrosion and are very flexy on steep steep hills.
@@Mapdec flexy compared to what other wheels? People who have used both Zondas and Shamals say that Shamals are significantly more rigid than Zondas (mainly due to their spokes), yet I don't find my Zondas flexy at all (and I'm no stranger to 12+% climbs, including La Planche des Belles Filles).
Corrosion could indeed be a reason to buy carbon wheels, I give you that, but don't forget most of them have metal (steel/aluminium/brass) spokes and nipples anyway, so corrosion still is an issue. I am lucky to live far enough from the seaside and from chronically bad weather.
The Fulcrum Racing zero are better and stiffer for the money. Could have gone handbuilt DT 411 too. We are in the English Lake District 😃. Don’t sweat it dude.